Destroying Small Business: Only 3 of Funds Support Small Business when Law Requires 23 w/ Bruce De Torres

➡ The Small Business Administration (SBA) is under scrutiny for mismanaging around $600 million in loans, which were allegedly given to children under 11 and people over 115 years old. Meanwhile, a company called Masterpiece is praised for its products that remove toxins from the body. The host, Sarah Westall, also discusses the importance of fostering creativity and critical thinking in children, rather than training them to be compliant. She encourages listeners to engage in conversations, learn more, and prioritize physical and mental health.
➡ The discussion revolves around the mismanagement of funds by the Small Business Administration (SBA), with accusations of money laundering and corruption. The SBA is supposed to allocate 23% of federal contracts to small businesses, but only about 3% actually reach them. This discrepancy is seen as a deliberate action to undermine small businesses, favoring big businesses instead. The speaker fears that if the SBA’s functions are transferred to larger departments like the Treasury or Commerce, small businesses may lose out entirely on federal contracts.
➡ The Small Business Act of 1953, which mandates 23% of federal contracts to go to small businesses, could create an economic boom and 2 million new jobs annually if properly implemented. However, this potential is often overlooked, with the Small Business Administration (SBA) mostly known for providing loans. The article also discusses a weight loss peptide, Retatrutide, which reduces appetite and burns fat. Lastly, it emphasizes the importance of small businesses in fostering innovation and warns against the suppression of enterprise and innovation, which it sees as a threat to the country’s future.
➡ The text discusses the idea of a depopulation agenda, questioning whether certain actions leading to depopulation are intentional, negligent, or mindless. It also touches on censorship and the struggle for freedom of speech, particularly on platforms like YouTube. The text criticizes the education system for stifling curiosity and individuality, suggesting it trains people to be obedient rather than critical thinkers. Lastly, it encourages people to question their actions and beliefs, and to fight for their rights, drawing parallels to the American Revolution.
➡ The text discusses the importance of personal freedom, decision-making, and overcoming fear. It highlights how societal structures, like the education system and the industrial revolution, have influenced our ability to make decisions and be fearless. The text also emphasizes the need for everyone to have access to freedom, justice, and liberty, and criticizes systems that suppress certain groups. Lastly, it suggests solutions like improving mental and physical health, developing persistence, and taking action at local levels to promote freedom.
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What they found is 300 and some million dollars in loans supposedly went to children under 11 years old, like thousands of loans, and then another 300 or so million that supposedly went to very old people, like 115 years old and older. So that’s about $600 million. The SBA is being accused of mismanaging. Just a quick break from your programming so I can give you a little information about Masterpiece. They are the masters at removing toxins and heavy metals and aluminum and microplastics out of your bloodstream, out of your body. We are being bombarded with this crap from all over the place, and we need to get it out of our bodies that you are more susceptible to every disease imaginable when that’s in your bloodstream.

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But the sba. I don’t think people knew this or people in general don’t know this, that 23% of all federal contracts are supposed to go to small business. And his organization, who sues different and investigates and tries to hold the federal government accountable, claims that less than 3% goes to small business. And they’re just lying about it. And he’s going to explain it to you. And, you know, recently we saw with the SBA that they were funding over $600 million, were going to people who are over 115 years old or people who are younger than 11.

It’s the type of fraud like that is just, why don’t you use somebody who’s 45? I mean, think of, well, how much is going to people who are, like, not younger than 11 or older than 115 and. Or two legitimate age people. So you don’t question it if 600 million was going to the goofball situations. I mean, because you would think that a good. A good criminal would use somebody who’s 45. You know, put them into any kind of minority category you can so that it really looks legit. And you’re pumping up your numbers because you want to be able to say you fund more women, you fund more people in poor communities.

So now let’s put in somebody who’s a poor, what, like the most number, you know, the best statistic you could have and use it to prop up your numbers. But it’s really laundering money, right? Instead they’re giving it to three, you know, 300 million to people under 11 and 300 million over, you know, over 115. You’ll, you’re, you’ll hear the story. So I got a question. How many are going to people who aren’t, who are in really good categories? Because that’s, that’s a smarter criminal, right? But regardless, the 23% is what’s supposed to go to business and less than 3%.

So we talk, dig into that. How is that snuffing out the spark of creativity and freedom and that just the spark of humanity? And what does that mean when you snuff out the spark of humanity? And what is the spark of humanity? And how do you claim it and grow it, nurture it? And that’s what we’re at risk of losing when we put our kids into environments where they’re being trained to be non thinking, compliant robots versus people who can flourish and think outside the box and have courage and innovation. And you know, I think about how did I raise my kids? And my kids tend to be a little bit more courageous than the others and want to learn, but they still are, you know, just like, I mean, look around, what are your kids like? Are they kind of in a box? A little bit.

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Okay, let’s get into this really interesting conversation with Bruce the Torres. Hi Bruce. Welcome to the program. Thank you, Sarah. Very nice to meet you. Your role at the Small Business League put you into a different perspective with seeing what’s going on, you know, currently with the SBA and the fraud that’s found. That is kind of jaw dropping. You know, it seems like there’s an attack on small business, but can you talk about what they found in the sba? The doge. They found a bunch of stuff with sba. Other people should have found it, but what are they finding and what does this all mean? Thank you.

What they found to the. To my is 300, and some million dollars in loans supposedly went to children under 11 years old. Like thousands of loans and then another thousands of loans, another 300 or so million that supposedly went to Very old people, like 115 years old and older. So that’s about $600 million. The SBA is being accused of mismanaging. And right after that, that news came out about a month ago, maybe three weeks ago. And then right after that, there was announcements by Doge, Elon Musk or Trump that we’re going to close the Department of Education, and then we’re cutting the staff of the SBA by a half, going to slash its budget by about a half, and then we’re going to give the SBA the $1.6 trillion student loan portfolio.

Wait a minute. It can’t handle 600 million in loans, but it can handle 1.6 trillion with half the staff. Sarah, we. So what’s really going on? Okay, so we’re seeing kind of just BS from all directions in the sense that they identify fraud, but are they really then weeding it out? And I realize there’s a congressional process that’s making it very hard to actually clean stuff up. Just seems they’re so bloated and such a mess. But where is this fraud? And how can they possibly give them a $1.6 trillion? Okay, first of all, let’s break this down.

What is going on with the fraud? Is that. Was it just going to. I mean, who’s taking that money? I mean, because I know small businesses who use the SBA and they are treat. I mean, they’re like, manage. Micromanaged by these people and then. And the bank and it’s like this awful. Nobody wants to do an SBA loan. If you can, as a business, you’d rather do some other process because you’re so micromanaged. So then you hear about this. It’s like, okay, these guys are micromanaged, but now you’re doing this. How does that even work? I have yet to dig into the accusations of the mismanagement of the loans.

That’s a very important topic. You are rightly, you know, starting by examining how did $600 million get mismanaged or mis. Misgiven, you know, through the SBA laundered somehow. Yeah, it’s. It has to be laundering. Well, you’re, you’re addressing what many historians, or just students of government have been saying for centuries, that in. And unfortunately, our federal government can be fairly accused of being nothing but a criminal organization with rampant money laundering going back before we were born. And that’s obviously coming out with lots of the DOGE discoveries. That’s a good part of DOGE is, is. Is the acknowledgment of the fraud and the criminality.

Go ahead. Yes. Which is no surprise to people who read books. I know it’s not necessarily, but. Yeah, but it is new to the masses, which is important. Well, I think the documentation is news. You know, accusations have been hurled for decades from each side accusing of corruption, and here it’s fairly being proven, which is so demoralizing, and yet we have to summon the strength to engage and deal with it as adults, as participatory citizens who know, like, if we’re going to self govern, we have to govern our representatives as they govern us so that they don’t rip us off blind and steer billions, if not trillions, into the pockets of their cronies or their real masters who stay behind the scenes.

That’s what we want to talk about too, but see, it angers me, and I don’t want to get all emotional on every issue because then you can’t. You shut down. Right. But you need to have a little bit of emotion and anger to actually want to fix things. But the, the sba, I got to get to that point where so many people are, you know, I taught entrepreneurship at the university level, and so many people steer away from it because of the extra burden that it puts on people. And these a holes are putting this extra burden while the other side is stealing people or stealing and robbing us blind.

That doesn’t jive with me. No, nor should it. So congratulations on having a good conscience and a good moral compass. Well, thank you. But what’s that gonna serve unless we actually act upon it? Well, you’re doing more than most. You’ve got a platform like this where you bring up these conversations, because the more regular people not only listen to shows like yours, but then post and create their own ways of stirring up these conversations. Hopefully at least action where we are in touch with our representatives, if not harassing them. That’s really the commission. That’s really the challenge is they have to be so harassed by our wants, needs and desires and requests that they have to comply with what we want.

So they don’t just take meetings with their donors and use the government on behalf of the people who can afford to talk to a representative, let alone fund them into a campaign and into an office. Let’s see that. You just got to a good point, because I just had another person where we talked about the fact that everyone in Congress is paid. I mean, you’re like, you’re just paid to be there. They spend all their time raising money. You have to Pay, you have to give them money to even be able to get an appointment with them.

And if you don’t pay them money, then maybe you can listen to one of their staffers will listen to you, maybe, and probably blow you off. So it’s a pay to play and they don’t. It’s all acting, it seems like. Well, you know, you’re reminding me of a quote from a famous musician 40 years ago, Frank Zappa, who said the military. He said, politics is the show business arm of the military industrial complex. Interesting. That’s an interesting way to say it. That’s a big accusation to hurl, and that’s worth a whole conversation. But let’s stick to the SBA for a little longer because it’s near and dear to our hearts.

We are the American Small Business League, or a private small business advocate advocacy group. And for decades, we’ve been suing various federal agencies and the SBA to get the truth about where do federal contracts really go? Are they going. Are 23% of them really going to small businesses like the SBA claims? Right, like the law demands. And what we have found for about 30 years is no. Through fraud, loopholes, and lax oversight and bad policies, only about 3% of the federal contracts that are supposed to go to small businesses actually go to small businesses. So it’s supposed to be 23% and it’s only three.

Yes, but they. They falsify compliance, which is a nice way of saying they lie. You search right now on Google, it’ll Show you, yes, 23% or are going to. And many years. The SBA gives more than 23% of contracts. That’s what we are in the business. The ASBL.com we’re in the business of exposing the. That fact. There have been congressional investigations, many of them. There have been many reports from the SBA Zone Office of Inspector General. We have won over 100 legal, freedom of information, legal battles exposing this. There has been legislation proposed that went nowhere in the House.

So let me give you some numbers which are always so. Hold on a second. This. And I want you to give me numbers. But what you’re saying, 23% is supposed to by law. And, and we are seeing maybe 3%. That tells me, you know, because my belief is that there’s a deliberate action. It seems like there’s an action, whether deliberate or not, to undermine small business. You know, the big business want to take all of them out and they’re buying them up and everything else. But when you look at these numbers now it looks like. Well, they’re.

Is it deliberate, or is there so much motivation for fraud and there’s so much money. Money to be made by doing fraud for big institutions that it’s not deliberate, just a byproduct of the fact that they’re a bunch of criminals. It’s kind of both. It’s deliberate, but it’s also the momentum of business as usual. 99% of the folks who work for the SBA or for the agencies responsible for what individual agencies buy might think they’re complying with the law because things are stamped and certified because of the. The. The policies that are, you know, the public policies.

It takes this digging and investigations and lawsuits to find out. Wait a minute. This is a giant ripoff. There’s a. There’s a. An entire crime being committed here, and this. The enormity of it is. Is breathtaking. I, too, am a fan of small businesses. Sarah, There are. Here come the numbers, and these are Great. There are 34.7 million small businesses in America defined by the SBA and the government as 500 or less employees. Okay. They represent. 99.9% of all businesses in America are small businesses. 99.9% of all Businesses in America have 500 employees or less. Yeah, but how much.

How much. How many people work for small businesses and how much GDP goes through small businesses? About 43% of the private sector workforce. Excuse me, of all workers work for small businesses. 43%. Yeah. Almost half of the used to be more entire workforce. Yeah. Work for. For small businesses. But they are 99.9% of all businesses, and they’re only getting 3% of federal contracts. That means 1/10 of 1% of businesses that are big businesses. Fortune 500 companies are getting 97% of federal contracts. How many employees work. Of the American people work for those businesses compared to small businesses? Do you have that number? No, but logically, we would say 1.1/10 of 1%.

But that’s probably a bad mathematical. Well, it’s. Yeah, it’s probably like 25 or something. And they’re getting 97 of. All. Right, yeah, I’m throwing that 25 out, but I bet it’s somewhere in that ballpark. And. But they’re getting. Speaks. It speaks right to the point you made earlier. Big businesses want it all. They begrudge the 3% that are. That are still going to small businesses. How do I. How do I say that? Because President Trump seems to have just set up the SBA to fail because of accusing it of mismanaging. $600 million in loans and burdening it with the $1.6 trillion student loan portfolio.

We expect to hear any day, Oops, that was a mistake. Well, let’s push all the SBA’s functions into treasury or Commerce because they’re big enough to manage it well. And you never hear unless they’re forced to address the fact that small businesses are supposed to get federal contracts. If that gets lost in the fog of bureaucracy in the treasury and the Commerce Department, it’s done, isn’t it? It really won’t be long until 100% of federal contracts go to big businesses. Let me give you a couple other numbers. Annually, the U.S. government spends about a little less than $7 trillion, $6.8 trillion.

Okay, 26% of that is given in contracts to private vendors for goods and services. So there’s 1.5 trillion every year on average in federal contracts. 23% of that is supposed to go to 99%. 99.9% of our businesses, that’s $345 billion is supposed to go every year into small businesses because they’re small businesses. With that infusion of new contracts and work to perform, they would create about 2 million new jobs every single year, which would double the new jobs America creates every year. On average. We create 2 million. This would be an extra 2 million. It would cause an economic boom we’ve never seen before.

I think this last point, this was established by the 1953 Small Business act, the major provision of which was steer 23% of federal contracts to small businesses. And the SBA was created to facilitate that. And it also does other things. Loans and other things. But notice that all our lives, whenever the SBA is mentioned, it’s mostly the loans. Oh, get a loan. Get an SBA loan. You think of what you ask the average person. What does the SBA do? Oh, they give you loans to start a business where’s. We’re trying to raise awareness of the simple fact of the failure to give 23% of federal contracts to legitimate small businesses because of the economic boom that it would create for the United States of America.

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A lot of that comes from private investment and stuff, but a lot of it doesn’t. And so they have the ability to innovate. And then these big businesses come out and buy them out. So they would be getting rid if they did this. It helps the entire American economy and our entire future because we innovate more at that level. The other issue is and I you probably have discussed some of this stuff is patents over 80 I I knew the number percentage over 80% of patents are stolen. So all these small businesses, it’s just like an attack at on small business from all direction.

But we’re undermined. It’s another example how we’re undermining ourselves. When you start talking about innovation as soon as you start cutting away innovation and you cut away the freedom of enterprise of the people, freedom, innovation, enterprising minds and activities, you’re destroying this country. Yes. And there are many people who have studied trends in history for the last 70, 80 years that unfortunately reach the conclusion that it’s an intentional and planned and controlled demolition on behest of global money that are manipulating all the countries that they can, but especially of the west. And what is unfortunately well described as an Anglo American alliance that is really a continuation of the brutal British Empire with the exploitation of not only of foreign lands anymore.

You can fairly accuse what’s happening in the United States for that. Since globalization the last 30, 40 years as a slow, intentional demolition of the United States of America. It’s so sad because they’re demolishing the spirit of humanity kind of. That’s the spirit, that’s the spark, and that’s what they’re demolishing. That’s why people say it’s evil is because. And there’s something else behind it, because trying to distinguish that is the essence of, you know what I’m saying, that that’s the spark of humanity. Well, it’s, it’s the age old battle. You know, students of American history know that the founders framed the stakes of the American Revolution as the age old battle between those who want to conquer, rule, exploit others, might makes right versus this precious idea of individual human rights and actually being able to create a society, a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

A democratic republic has always been the most fragile thing in human organization. And it is the battle against those who would be masters to rule over the rest of us as slaves. And it’s urgent. And with the technology and AI and the capacity for digital currencies that would be a vehicle for total enslavement. There are many who see what’s going on lately, including our military, builds up the demonization of Russia and Iran and other enemies as the oldest trick in the book. You know, when all else fails, they take you to war making. Well, they always do war when there’s currency resets too.

So it’s the chaos allows them to grab more power. Right. And the biggest question for the United States right now is is President Trump a good guy or a bad guy? There’s a great case, in my opinion, to be made for both sides, which is what makes our current times breathtaking and fascinating. It is fascinating. I don’t know. I, because there’s so much on the line, I would, I really, I like to stay. I don’t want to be black pilled. I’d like to stay hopeful. And, and so I look at, I look at actions and I support actions and be very careful.

I mean we. Andy Shekman comes on my show weekly and he says if we’ve learned nothing from this whole Covid from the last five years. You know, you have to question everybody and every, every person. You can’t just trust that this is going in the right direction. But at the same time we have to look at actions and we have to be hopeful. And if we see something moving in the right, we need to support the actions that support what we’re trying to do and then not support the actions that don’t. But it, otherwise you get black pilled and you get demoralized and you do nothing.

You just kind of shrivel into a corner and that’s not acceptable to me. Absolutely. You well describe the human response to digging into the history, connecting the dots and then the stunning picture of evil that we do face, the corruption that we face, the trends where they’re going and how do we stay hopeful? I’ve done a lot of thinking about this and a lot of, I’ve had a lot of conversations about it, Sarah, and I’ll give you my opinion, the bottom line, to encourage people to have the courage to start talking about what you’re finding, first with your family, then with your friends and, and be prepared.

Let me, let me inoculate you right now. When you start that experiment, some people are going to blast you and call you a kook and say that’s conspiracy theory nonsense. But you must persevere because sooner than later you’ll find Sarah’s show, you’ll find others who know this stuff, and then you’ll realize, I’m not crazy. There are lots of smart people who are drawing the same conclusions who want to live, who want to be happy, who want to resist tyranny just like the founding fathers and make a stand for liberty and the truth and for health and life and fun and love and laughter and be America.

Yeah. Here’s a. What do you make of that? Before I tell you, ask something else. Well, that’s what I think too. It’s like, it’s, it’s light. You know, I can tell when we have the, the, the, that, you know, oppression, it just feels heavy on us. And we don’t, we don’t laugh, we don’t smile, we don’t innovate, we don’t have that spark of life. But when you’re free and someone’s not trying to oppress and control you, you’re, it’s lighter, you’re freer, you innovate, you’re, you’re laughing, you’re joyous, it’s, it’s a different environment and we’re, I can feel it.

I feel that energy and, and that is the spark of life that they’re trying to snuff out. Well, they want to, they want to own and control and regulate and exploit as many of us as possible. There’s a great case to be made for a depopulation agenda. You know, there are aspects because when you start looking at the, you know, the fact that we’re going to live longer and you know, longevity and the food and the supplies, I mean, you can start getting black pilled on that depopulation thing. I don’t buy that bs. I think there’s a way that all of us can, you don’t need to kill people so that we can evolve.

I mean that’s just so nonsense. Go ahead. Well, there’s a lot of evidence that there’s an intentional depopulation agenda. Sarah. I was going to ask for sure there is. Okay, so. Well I, for sure that there’s, there’s actions that are resulting in a depopulation. And the question is how many of these actions are on purpose or negligent or just people being mindless? I think it’s a combination of all of it. And then there’s, there’s a few people behind the curtains who are blaming the fires. I, I, I, I. The degree to which it’s intentional and the degree to which it’s, how big that effort is, how successful that effort has been and might be coming is subject to, you know, examination.

We have to continue researching and compare notes. But at the end of the day it’s balancing the horrors we find with the things we can do and think and create that empower us with some kind of hope. At the very least, no matter how big your odds are, we have to generate hope for the sake of the children and the grandchildren that we would like to create and that we would like to see come. We would like to see humanity continue for endless, infinite generations. One would think the way things are going, it’s if I tell you the house is on fire, I’m not blackpilling you.

If I’m warning you about a clear and present danger, that’s not bad news. It’s good news if you can act on it and save your life. So I think you handle these things regularly on your show. I wanted to ask you, are you on any platform where you have to be concerned about what you talk about so that you don’t get censored or banned? There are very few people who are more censored and bam than I am. And it’s, it’s very make it Makes you angry that you’re fighting for good and freedom and. And your right to be you.

And, you know, I’m not. I don’t bully others. I’m not racist. I’m not all these things. I don’t want to attack others. But yet I’m the most censored person I know. You know, there’s a few that are in my league, not many. And really. So this is what they don’t want. They saw their information. There’s some things you don’t talk about on your show. If you’re on YouTube, there’s something you can’t. I’m trying to get back on YouTube. I’m really on Rumble’s my main base. I talk pretty much about everything. When I get back on YouTube, if I get back on YouTube, it’s going to have to be very controlled.

Right? Because. Right. You have to have your YouTube clean or friendly content because they. They spank you, they stare. I just wish people would open up and go, I don’t want to be in an environment where they’re keeping me from learning about things. You know, get off that. Get to an environment where you aren’t treated like a child, you aren’t treated like somebody who’s oppressed, where you get access to information because your mind and your body can handle it. And you want to know because that’s best for making decisions about you and your family. I don’t.

The masses, the majority of the people have not woken up to that yet. I think if that’s true, and I would bet that it is, it’s because it’s so hard to make a living, it’s so hard to make ends meet. But there’s even a deeper problem that I like to address, which is the fundamental powerlessness of most Americans because we could tell them the most outrageous, dangerous information and the best thing that they should urgently do right now. But if people have a subconscious, permanent identity that they are powerless and nothing they do matters, subconscious, they’re not going to get off the couch, they’re not going to pick up the phone.

That’s the snuff of life that I’m talking about. That’s the spirit. That’s the essence that we both have, that a lot of the listeners who are listening to this show right now have that they’re trying to snuff out. That is the essence of life that I was trying to explain earlier. And you did well. And it’s most important to point that out because now, like a smart doctor, we know what’s Wrong with the patient that we’re dealing with. And this is one way to look at it. 90% of Americans go through public school. And to me and many others, school crushes our natural curiosity.

It crushes our natural joy of living because it’s a prison. It trains us to be prisoners and slaves. It trains us of our mind. Yeah, no, no, well beyond our whole body and mind. Well, the mind, yeah. Your actions are trained to be algorithmic, almost like a robot. Your, your day to day habit is to show up and do what you’re told. You’re groomed to be a very docile and obedient servant employee. And you rise through success, through academia and in corporate life by toeing the company line, regurgitating authorities, truths, doing what you’re told, getting good at giving orders to people to do what they’re told.

You can be rise to the ranks of the military. You can become the CEO of a corporation that exploits and kills people for profit. And your individuality and your. But the most people don’t do that. Most people become just employees and they are listless and they are lethargic because for their formative years they were trained to do what you’re told. And that to me diagnoses why so many Americans are listless, feel powerless, they don’t have that spark of life you’re describing. But okay, but I can, I think all of us can understand this. We get to the point where like okay, I.

A certain point I just need to make money and I, I’m just like, I’m, I’m fighting the system so much that you got to start picking your battle. That’s how people feel you kind of, that’s what they want. They want you to give up. Right? I’ve been, I can’t tell you how many people lately are saying, Sarah, they just want you to give up. That’s why somebody of your type is so target, you know, is so suppressed. Because you should be. I mean for what I cover and what I do and my. What I’ve done, you shouldn’t be the suppressed.

Right? They, they fool you into thinking that the more you educated you get, the more power, the more prestige you’ll have more. But you, like you said, you have to follow and toe the company line. That’s why the people who were during COVID the ones who supported it the most were the big Ivy League schools, were the big. I mean it was all these people with advanced degrees and all that you would think they, you know, education makes you more able to think and Have a critical mind. It does the opposite. It shouldn’t. We should be able to learn and grow and become even more capable of, of questioning things and having a good curiosity and all those things.

Right. That should be where it goes. But our system creates the opposite. From the spark of life standpoint. Yes. And you, you just well described Socrates statement, the unexamined life is not worth living. And the oracle at deli, the topics inscription on the temple was know thyself, why do I do what I do? And this is, this is where life begins for a young adult or at any point in one’s life. The classic midlife crisis that people used to talk about decades ago. Why do I do what I do? Why do I like what I like? Why do I love what I love? Why do I hate what I love? Because we can be so programmed through the media and the culture and the school experience that we can wake up at 30 years old and kill ourselves.

Because we realize I’ve never lived an authentic life. I’ve just gone through the motions. And Sarah, what you’re encouraging people to do is to figure themselves out. And that’s to me, it’s a version of being born again. It’s a version of renewing your mind. It’s a version of I once was lost, but now I’m found. And this opens up. That is the American Revolution. That was what that was about. That was about people willing to die to defend their rights. And that’s what it takes. That’s what it’s always taken and that’s what it’ll always take. Patrick Henry.

Give me liberty or give me death, as opposed to as long as they’re attacking other people. I just want to keep my head down. I’m going to live a small life, I’m going to get my paycheck and I’m not going to try to figure anything out. Because back to Bruce’s diagnosis. I have no experience of being a powerful person. I have no experience making decisions. If you’re an American and you went through 18, 22 years of school, I don’t, I’m not comfortable making decisions. 18 year olds go to college now and break down and cry and have nervous breakdowns because for the first time in their lives they’ve got to make decisions.

Well, that is true. They call it adulting, right? And they, it’s like, wow, you know, it’s disparaged, it’s mocked. Whereas for centuries and thousands of years children were as free to follow their parents and participate in the work and participate in Life and handle life. So by the time they reach puberty, many were more than capable of starting a family and continuing. But still. Yes, but that’s, but that’s the, that’s the human animal. Because we rose to competence at different rates and speeds. Freedom is the antidote for everything. I agree with you. Plus love loving parents who can protect sure.

And groom children. Freedom, liberty and justice. You have to have the justice part. You have to have kind of like a package. But one thing that’s interesting about you is that you aren’t. You see freedom and liberty and justice and all this stuff from a holistic perspective. I can tell because you used to promote women business. It’s not a. It’s everybody. Right. Freedom is for everyone. And justice and liberty, it’s for everyone to flourish. And can you talk a little bit about that and how it’s. It’s like we create these paradigms of one group and it’s not just women or whatever.

I, that’s not the point. It’s, it’s. We do this all the time. We want to suppress others. And you know, we saw that with dei. Instead of creating this open merit based thing, we end up suppressing the white guy. You know, it’s always somebody has to be suppressed. So I can, I can be raised up instead of. No, we gotta get rid of biases, we gotta get rid of suppression. And freedom is about all of us having access. Jesus was about all of us flourishing the most we possibly can. Can you explain kind of your little bit, your angle on that? I’m sorry I had to give you my rant.

No. And let’s start, let’s just start with freedom in nature or when we were more tribal, thinking of the history of the development of the human race. As I alluded before, when children were raised on their families, literally physically, on their mothers and on their fathers as they were working or in the care of the grandparents watching adults work. Children naturally want to help. So there. And some, some naturally just want to wander and explore. Great. Hopefully they all come back when the sun goes down. But if that gives them a sense of safety and empowerment.

Because kids, when they feel safe, are fearless and they’ll handle the tools and they’ll paint with crayons or sticks and they’ll develop their talents as, as fast as they can at the individual level. The fearlessness. Go ahead. I want to talk about the fearlessness a little bit. I didn’t want to cut you off, but my, my point was, is that’s the spirit of human humanity. And with this like oppressive environment we’re in, you’re talking about the, the employees and you know, they, they’re just like listless. It’s that fearlessness, that courage. It’s, you know, it’s courage when you realize that you, there’s something that’s after you.

But the fearlessness that comes. It used to be that the college kids were fearless because they didn’t know any better. Right. You learn not to be fearless. And this oppressive environment we’re in is teaching so many people to be fearful. That’s what YouTube does to people or governments and businesses do to people. They’re afraid to say and be who they are because they’re, I mean, they’re fearless. It’s been trained into them to fear and to just shut up and to sit in your corner. Whereas you’re talking about how children were raised to be fearless and to explore.

That’s the spirit. Yes. And all that changed to a huge degree by the, the how the industrial revolution was manipulated by that percentage of humanity that always lusts for power, who hate humanity and want to exploit them. Because now I’m putting my doctor hat on. I’m going to psychoanalyze bullies. They hate others because they hate themselves. They can’t admit that they hate themselves and hate life. So they project, you’re my problem. I’m going to control and exploit you for all your worth. And created the, you know, the economic systems whereby people were pulled into factories so now children can be pulled into schools and be indoctrinated to be the kind of populace that serve these money makers who typically capture the gears of a government and brings us to where we are now.

And we see the worst manifestations of those are in overtly dictatorial tyrannies a la Nazi Germany, Stalin, Soviet Union. We are a soft version of that. We’re a watered down version of that. But for many intents and purposes, many parts of our culture and society for the last many decades are nothing but a psychological operation. It’s mind control. Talking about fear. 247 the news cycle. Fire hoses horrors at us in order to make us think that the world is a dangerous place. I’m not safe. And it goes back to, okay, maybe I’m repeating myself. Goes back to the how much that serves the powers that be.

The financial institutions long in place for people to just keep their heads down. They don’t want to make waves and they will just do what they’re told. They’ll work the kind of jobs that they need to survive. They’ll buy the kind of products that, that they can. And we’ve given, we’ve let the money powers just completely take over all the gears of the United States of America. I didn’t explore the particular fear thing as much as you probably were inviting me to, but I wanted to bring it to that kind of macro diagnosis eventually. Let’s assign ourselves a few minutes, Sarah, to just explore all the solutions that we possibly can.

For sure. We have to always. Because the point isn’t to, to make people feel awful and go shrivel in the corner. The point is how do we overcome that and have strength knowing that this is the issue. We can’t, we can’t shrivel in the corner. If you have children, grandchildren, you aren’t allowed to shrivel in the corner. Get your butt up and get out there fighting with us. And let’s talk about some of the solutions. Well, look, you’re. Maybe you’re not going to compare who’s more experienced. What are the top recommendation solutions that you give to your audience, that you give to people who, who need, you know, to be empowered and steered in the right direction of things to learn and things to do.

What do you typically highlight? Well, I mean, there’s a lot, you know, you first, you got to get yourself mentally and physically healthy. You, you need to do that because then you don’t have the, the power to have the persistence and the courage and everything else you need, right? It’s harder. Not that you can’t. It’s harder. So you want to make it easier for yourself by being mentally and physically healthy, right? Beyond that, learning the discipline of persistence and understanding that becoming aware that your children and grandchildren can’t afford for you to be sitting in the corner, scared.

So now it’s time to step up and be an adult. This is what adulting is, right? Sucks, but it’s what it is. I can’t live any other life. It’s the only thing I have the option of doing for some reason, I don’t know why. And sometimes it feels stupid, right? It’s smarter sometimes just to go be listless and make money and at least I can be happy on Friday nights and have a beer. But that’s giving, throwing away your child’s future so you don’t have a choice. You got to get out off the couch and help.

So again, physically and mentally healthy and then get the discipline, work on the discipline of perseverance and persistence and courage to go do what’s necessary, even at the local levels, which is where Everything starts to figure out little things that you can do to help change the freedom dynamic in your own communities. And anytime you see something that you can do to help that freedom dynamic, that’s where you need to be. That’s what I say. But I’m sure you have even better suggestions than what I just said. Or complimentary, I would hope complimentary. Because our own health and well being and happiness as you just described, we have to cultivate that 99% of the battle is why do I think what I think? Choosing thoughts that give you, give you power in the context of studying and acknowledging and realizing how off the rails we are, how, how far from the Constitution we are, how far from the American ideals we are, how do we, what do you do in the face of that enormous horror? And it is a horror.

And I go, I would add to what you just said, it’s to have the courage to talk about it and compare notes and be relentless in that. So that your education and your conviction and your understanding of what the problem is and what the possibilities might be just grows in you until it spills out in some action. After 10 years of studying what the heck is going on and being really shocked, 9, 11 was the catalyst for that, okay. I realized, yeah, yeah, for me it’s for a lot of people that it was an inside job.

And then for 10 years I researched deep American history about the CIA and the banks and the Federal Reserve and, and going way, way back. And after 10 years I decided to write a book. That’s what I did. That led to me being interviewed on podcasts. That led to me creating my own podcast. It led to me meeting and interviewing on one of my shows, Lloyd Chapman of the American Small Business League. That led to him saying, you need to work for me. And that led to me now being director of communications for TheASBL.com so anyone watching and listening talk about this stuff and get convinced about it until you are compelled to have to do something.

Maybe you’ll prop up a little lemonade stand at the foot, foot of your driveway with, with a sign that says let’s talk about our rights. Let’s talk about the Constitution. Let’s talk about Abraham Lincoln, what, whatever it is, or going to the local councils and holding your council members feet to the fire about nonsense proposals and things, writing your congressman, writing your senators, running for office, writing a book, starting a show like Sarah, get filled with it and test and experiment. Is it fun to try to solve these things? I guarantee it will because you’ll meet People like Sarah and you’ll be off to the races.

That’s great. Well, thank you. That is, it’s, it’s figuring where your passion lies to help figure to help in this journey. Because we need an army of people. Right? It’s just an army to figure this out and learn. You got to keep learning too. It’s a lifeline. Learning and not educated in the same way. The university now there, you can learn that way too. It’s more of a structured thing. They may want to take a class here and there or do what you want, but you got to get past of that being the only environment you can learn.

You got to get out of that mindset. They don’t, they don’t have a monopoly on learning. That has to break down too. Anyways. Okay, well, thank you so much again. What is your website? The ASBL.com is where folks can learn about the egregious wrongs being perpetrated against our small businesses by the SBA. Falsifying compliance with the 23% goal that 23% federal contracts must and should be going to small businesses. It would be a cost free economic prosperity at our fingertips. People can learn about me@brucetotores.com and my book. Read the amazing reviews there and throw yourself into it.

That’s the bottom line. Thank you so much for joining the program. I really appreciate it. A pleasure. Thank you.
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