Deep State Operations Brain Orgonites Infowars in the Early Years w/ Jason Burmas

➡ Sam expresses disappointment that his generation lacks a strong voice like Martin Luther King Jr. He shares his experience interviewing Rudy Giuliani and discusses a coffee company offering a longevity blend that may increase lifespan. He also introduces Jason Burus, creator of the “Loose Change” movie about 9/11, and discusses his own weight loss journey using certain products. Finally, he begins a conversation with Jason about his documentary work.
➡ The narrator shares his memories of the Twin Towers in Brooklyn and his confusion when they fell. He recalls the immediate aftermath, including the spread of misinformation and the rise of 24-hour news networks. He also expresses his skepticism about the official narrative of the events, particularly the connection to Saddam Hussein and the Iraq war. He ends by discussing his decision to research the events of 9/11 himself, using a detailed timeline he found online.
➡ The speaker shares his journey of researching and questioning the events of 9/11, leading him to collect a vast amount of related videos and information. He becomes involved in the creation of a film called “Loose Change,” which questions the official narrative of 9/11. The film gains unexpected attention when a local Fox News station features it, causing it to go viral and leading the speaker to quit his job to focus on spreading this information. He ends up traveling the country, speaking at universities, and sparking dialogue about the events of 9/11.
➡ Google, in an attempt to compete with YouTube, created Google Video, allowing users to upload longer videos. However, after buying YouTube for $8 billion, Google Video was discontinued. The text also discusses various conspiracy theories and controversies surrounding the 9/11 attacks, including claims about hijackers being protected and intelligence failures. The author suggests that some of these theories were initially dismissed but have since gained more attention and credibility.
➡ The speaker recounts their experience during the fifth anniversary of 9/11, where they distributed 10,000 shirts and noticed the lack of media coverage. They discuss their disappointment with Popular Mechanics’ coverage of 9/11 and their subsequent debate with the authors. They also mention their involvement with Infowars and their work on a film about international intelligence. The speaker expresses concern about the narratives being sold and the power vacuums that exist.
➡ The text is about a person’s journey in the media industry, starting with radio shows and moving to film production. They worked with Alex Jones and had their own show, but left to focus on making documentaries. They discuss their views on world power structures, technology, and the misuse of advanced military technology. They also express frustration about the lack of benefits to society from these technologies.
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➡ The text discusses the use of technology for tracking and control, starting from the 90s when Native American communities were chipped for health and banking records. It mentions the increase in people with such devices over the years, and the involvement of big tech companies like NASA and Blackrock. The speaker also shares skepticism about certain theories like the metaverse and multiverse, and discusses the desire of some humans to use technology to live forever. The text ends with a discussion on space travel, questioning the feasibility of human travel to Mars and the truth about the moon.
➡ The speaker discusses their skepticism about the extent of human space travel, questioning the authenticity of moon missions and the effectiveness of rocket technology. They express doubt about the distances claimed to have been traveled by astronauts, comparing it to the shorter distances achieved by the Russians. The speaker also mentions their fascination with the unknown and their interest in space-related topics since childhood. They conclude by promoting their documentary films, which explore various conspiracy theories and controversial topics.

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Lot of people woke up because of 911 and a lot of people woke up because of his movie. I don’t know if woke up is really the right word. I, I don’t like that terminology. It’s basically it gave you a spark to start learning about other things. And so he was one of those sparks for a lot of people. I had many things that sparked me to start being more inquisitive but though that was one of the things that did and so it’s really fun to talk to him. So we’re going to talk about those early days, what was behind that loose change, how he got involved with Alex Jones and what happened there.

And then we get involved. He’s really smart. He really likes to dive into all sorts of. He’s super inquisitive and wants. Wants to understand the truth and will go anywhere. He’s not afraid. He doesn’t care who does. He doesn’t care what political narrative and what power structure dislikes them because he’s asking questions. So he goes there. So it makes it a really fascinating discussion. But before we get into that I am going to talk to you again about the weight loss stuff. I have. I’ve lost £25 and I’ve done that since January so it took me about five months.

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Well, thanks for having me. Okay, I want to talk about some of your original documentaries and I got to tell you, and I told you this when I was on your show and I don’t really have to talk about the documentary, but I want to talk about some things around it. You did the documentary loose change on 911 and a lot of people, you opened the eyes of a lot of people that were, you know, I mean, because if you, if you just said use your brain, it was obvious that some how though did you know to do this? I mean, did you just have this urge to do this 911 loose change? I mean what, what caused you to just go and do that document? Were you already doing documentaries at that time? So this one’s going to be a long one.

You know, essentially, you know, you take it back to 9 11. I’m 22 years old when it happens. I’m a college dropout at that point. I’m flipping pizzas. I’m not heavily political at all. You know, I kind of come from this era where the Internet has just opened up and the big scandal, big scandals, if you will, were the 2000 election and of course the Bill Clinton sex scandal. So as far as anything political on the Internet, that’s basically what I’d done a lot of searching. But you know, for those that can remember the late 90s early 2000s Internet, very different place.

Kind of the wild, wild west where you had to do your own searching. There was no centralized locations. Even Google was kind of new, Skype was kind of new, these type of things. But I had always been a big pirate and kind of still to this day, and an info junkie. So long before the days of Torrance, I know a lot of people talk about Limewire or BearShare. I was on the Nutella Networks, Morpheus, Kaza, all that stuff. And you know, aside from, you know, Hollyweird stuff and TV shows and Internet lore, I’d love to get documentaries, news footage and stuff that you couldn’t find anywhere else.

So Even prior to 9 11, I was kind of archiving stuff in that fashion. Then 911 happens. And even on the morning of 911 I had questions. I remember I woke up to my roommate. I had a late night pizza gig. So I was, I was up usually till like three or four in the morning a lot of the time. And my buddies, I had two buddies I was living with, both from Long Island. So they’re city kids. We were, we were at SUNY Oneonta. So kind of like this upstate place, but a lot of city and Long island kids.

And my buddy comes in and he goes, the Twin Towers are gone. And I’m just, I don’t know what the hell he’s talking. What are you talking about, man? He’s like gone. Planes hit him, they blew up, they’re gone. It’s not making sense to me now. As a kid, I’d been in the Twin Towers several times and I used to go down to New York City. My father’s aunt, which was really more like his mother, lived down in Flatbush in Brooklyn. And I would always remember when we’d be in that apartment building, which was a pretty big high rise in Brooklyn, you could see the Twin Towers over everywhere in the city.

I remember going in between the Twin towers. When you’d walk in lower Manhattan and you’d look up and you actually kind of get vertigo and they’d slide in almost because they were just that large, you know, they were, they were awe inspired. So to hear that they’re gone, I don’t know what’s going on. So I go downstairs and by this time the tv and again, very different place, folks. It’s, it was very different back then. You know, on the Internet you like your TV, you have about 60 channels. If, if you were like me, we’re lucky to have a DVR box with about 40 hours into it and all I keep seeing is the towers fall down.

And immediately look at it. I’m like, well, it looks like they’re getting blown up, right? Like, I don’t know, I don’t understand how they’re crumbling. But like, that’s not going through my mind. You still aren’t seeing the first plane strike. There’s still only a couple videos of the plane hitting the building. And it’s like the long shots, it’s not that up close and personal stuff that’ll come in in the next couple days. And I walk outside after taking a shower, trying to contemplate things. Cell phones are knocked out all over, people are freaking out. And I walk outside and I’m walking to my pizza place because I got a shift coming up and my buddy walks the place.

Yeah, I, I was just there this weekend, made myself a delicious pie. Awesome time. He, he comes out and he starts screaming, effing bin Laden this and that. And I’m like, I just stopped for a second. I’m like, what are you talking about? He’s like, oh, we. I know it was this guy go. I go, how do you know I go, wasn’t like a crazy white guy that did Oklahoma City? Now, I hadn’t looked into that. Sure, that was what you thought then. Yeah, but, but it just didn’t make sense to me that we’re like hours into this huge thing and all of a sudden people on the street are crying for blood on bin Laden.

That, that seemed weird, but over time I kind of just accept the narrative and I become enthralled with the news. Another people, another thing people forget is there was only, Even though there was like 50 or 60 channels, there was only a dozen or so channels that you would watch on the regular. And they were all news for like a week. Like, yeah, one, they all cut off their programming, all the major networks. And then by the end of it, they had this like special for the red Cross on 9 11. And that was like the Christendom that you could have like regular TV on again.

And it was, it took about a week, but then I was all of a sudden hooked on msnbc, cnn, I mean, watching Fox News, everything. I’m just watching as much news as I possibly can. And there are a few things that kind of catch my eye on the way in. Hold on one second before you get to the few things that catch your eye. If that happened today, we would have a totally different lens on that when we. It’s, it’s a totally different Thing because it’s interesting. I, I think at a large scale, something like that.

Yes, it is a totally different lens, but we would see it as a psyop now. We wouldn’t believe it, but go ahead. Well, I look at like something like Butler, Pennsylvania and we’ve seen what like five cell phone videos from that place where the President of the United States was and everybody was taping. They managed that pretty good in the sense that, you know, all these people had had these devices and you’re telling me we’ve got about five or six videos. I think overall like less than an hour of footage together. Think about how much we have from 911 right in New York City from, you know, 2001.

So I wonder, you know, how much and now, especially with deep fakes with AI, what could get passed off as misinformation? True misinformation and disinformation? Sure, that’s right. Yeah, yeah, it would be interesting. It’s a new thing because of the way the information is shared. And by the way, the vast majority of people, they’re not going to be seeing it on the big screen. They’re going to see it on this device no matter what. Well, as well think of COVID and the fact that certain channels were playing it 24 7. To have the ticker of how many people have died nonstop.

That was a classic psyop. Yeah, well again, that was 911 was the only news for years. I know about that. I mean the ticker was there. I mean it was really. It wasn’t the birth of the 24 Hour News Network, but it was the emergence of its dominance. Like the 90s, you know, gave us the first war on television with the Gulf War and CNN and that establishment, the late 90s kind of start started to establish the other media giants and including when it was msnbc, kind of Microsoft as being in there, that was a subliminal thing.

But by, you know, post 9 11, CNN had three channels, right? Like they had Headline News Entertainment Network was out there. There was just so much more of it and it was very focused. So a few things start catching my eye, but nothing that really makes me question 911 on the scale of either, you know, we allowed it to happen on purpose or we were involved. And then, you know, I start to question the drum up to the Iraq war. Well before, just like the ma weapons of mass destruction. I saw none of the connections in the stuff that I was watching to Saddam Hussein other than rhetoric.

The Nauday brothers film comes out on the one year Anniversary. And I start looking at the inside of the World Trade center that I’d been in and I’m like, why is the lobby all blown up with the, with like windows knocked out and, and these big marble panels knocked off the wall, but nothing’s on fire. And that’s a hundred, literally 100 stories down from the impact zone. And that doesn’t make a lot of sense. All these guys are talking about other explosions and molten metal. And I’m like, all right, this is a little bit weird. And so finally, again, pre Iraq war, we’re probably talking about now a little bit after a year after the attacks, I go to my, my old high school and I go to play a men’s night basketball game.

By this time, a couple of my buddies that I went to high school and college with were teaching there and I go to my old locker room to suit up and there is a urinal thing called Operation Enduring Freedom in there with Osama bin Laden’s face. And now this is, this is a school for like, I graduated 54 kids, okay? This is school for like eighth graders. You know, we’re talking 12 year olds. And it just, something caught my eye about pissing on bin Laden’s face. Like, it just seemed like the weirdest thing to me. And again, you know, I’m a child of the 80s, born in 79, so I was on that tail end where the Russians were the bad guys.

And we actually did duck and cover drills. And I just thought to myself, you know, I never pissed on Gorbachev and he was a big enemy. So right there, just something really struck me as, this is, this shouldn’t be. So I knew how corrupt my government was. I really looked into the Kendi assassination. I felt like we were probably involved in that. I was huge into UFOs and quote, unquote, aliens at the time. So I looked at that issue, I go, I can’t trust these people. Let me look into it. So I go home and I find.

I just want a timeline of that, the day’s events. I don’t want anything else. I find something called ww911timeline.net still up to this day. Mark R elsis, the Love Earth Network. And it is like I printed it out. This is the days where I didn’t want to read it on the CRT monitor. Printed it out. It was about 40 pages long. And before it gets into the 12am to 12am it just gives you some baseline information. Defense Department budget compared to the rest of the world. The four flights and how many people were on those flights comparatively.

And they were pretty empty. That was really interesting. A couple other anecdotes. And then it gets into it. Stock market. I mean, did it have some of that? I think that it may, it may have put that it’s somewhere in there. But there’s a. There’s another. He also has a standdown.net that I’ll go to. But I start going through these things and everything he has is cited. You know what I mean? So if I even had a question, I’d highlight it. I’d go back on, I’d go check it out and see if it was real. Everything was legitimate.

So by the end of this, I’m like, man, this is not good. This is not what we think it is, guys. Yeah. Yeah. So now with, with me kind of using all these file share networks, I’m just trying to get as much 911 stuff as possible. So now I’m getting all the news feeds I can and I’m finding like original videos and going to all these other things. I find things like let’s roll911.org et cetera, et cetera. It gets to the point over the like two years or so. And I remember the first thing that I’d ever seen from Alex Jones is that in this pursuit I found his 911 the Road to Tyranny.

It was a 56 megabyte real media file that was like 240p and out of sync audio wise. And I remember watching it with my buddy who’s now deceased actually. And we just sat there and I go, I’m gonna prove this redneck wrong, you know, because that’s first time I’m hearing about the new world order in this manner and global latent blah blah, you know, and chipping humans. And I’m finding out that although he may not be my cup of tea, so much of it is not only documented, but it’s worse than what you see. The guy’s right.

Yeah. So some of the things I start to do is before DVDRs were out there, CDRs were out there. You could do a CD data disk, so you can put 700 megabytes. So I was kind of creating these folders or whatever. Now I was not involved in the original 60 minute loose change. This is well before it goes viral. The site let’s roll911.org was based around the anomaly that was under the second plane and whether or not it had fired a missile into the building. Now the, the film original one starts out with that. Right? And this was a big, you know, point of contention for me because I’d found these videos, but I found three more that weren’t, like, readily available on the web that seemed to show either the anomaly or, you know, this thing being fired into the building.

So I watched this movie and I downloaded it from, you know, a. A file share site. And I’m just. I’m like, this is gonna be the movie that finally brings 911 truth into the mainstream. And this is probably either late 2004 or very early 2005. So on it. It had a website, loosechange911.org I go to the website, it says, the two guys, Dylan and Corey, are from Washington, DC. I know very little about them. In fact, I know nothing about them other than that I don’t often talk about it. I’m not a big religious guy. I think at the time I was like 24.

I’d seen a lot of these things. I handed out a lot of discs. I literally prayed to God to get involved in this project and said, hey, you give me a shot at this. I’m going to do everything I can to try to get this information out. Lo and behold, I don’t know. It was probably three to four months later. I had two jobs at the time. I had my first desk job out in Cooperstown. I was doing graphic design. And then at night I would do pizza. And I’m handing out these discs and my delivery guy, who I still know to this day, sees one of the discs and I have loose change burned on it.

And he goes to me, oh, loose change? He goes, my buddies did that movie. I go, huh? He goes, yeah, no, they’re about to put out a second edition. And they’re actually. Corey’s already moved back to New York and Dylan will be here later this week. I’m like, really? And he’s like, yeah. Do you want me to have him come down? Like, yeah, yeah. He literally calls him up. He goes on a delivery. Corey shows up and we just start talking for like an hour. And he stops me and he goes, I need you to look at the script for the second edition.

We’re about to put this out. Dylan will be here in a couple days. Goes home, grabs me, you know, a blue thing. I’m reading the script for this film on the way to work the next day on the bus, like at 7 in the morning, I’m blown away this is even happening. I’ve got a little highlighter out. You know, I kind of been on the forum Culture. So I knew that like, you know, there was a possibility the other guy would be pretty skeptical of me. Couple days later, Corey brings him over to my house and yeah, I could tell he was a little bit standoffish and skeptical.

And then they start going through all the videos that I’ve collected, you know, from downloading them in news footage and stuff and, and they’re like, wow, I don’t have this one and I don’t have this one. And if you watch for instance, like the second edition of Loose Change when you’re watching the blast points come out of the World Trade Center, I’d had a lot of those videos. So me and Dylan end up hitting it off pretty early on. And he starts coming over to my house after my day job. He’s editing on this little compact laptop what will become Loose Change second edition.

And that goes on for like a few months. Then it gets ready for launch time. I work as a graphic designer in a print shop. We need DVD covers. So I’m printing up the DVD covers. We’re getting ready to launch this thing. And we’ve just done our, our first couple presses. Cindy Sheehan ends up coming to the area. So at the time, Cindy Sheehan was a, you know, pretty visible person in the anti war movement. Hadn’t really talked about 9 11, but the vast majority of people hadn’t talked about 911 at that point. This is just again a little bit post Iraq war now.

You could say there weren’t weapons of mass destruction and we’d been lied to. I printed this up investigate 911 shirts. So, you know, Corey Dillon and I get to this event probably before anybody. We’re in investigate 911 shirts and Dylan had this Canon XL camera. It still wasn’t even HD at the time, but pretty cool for some 20 year old something kids that were shooting the next Doctor. It’s all cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fox News is there from Binghamton. Wow. So they see our, our shirts and this guy comes over, he’s a little confrontational. He wants to know what’s going on.

So we start telling him and he’s like, all right, well I’m going to interview all three of you. And they’re kind of shuddering at us like, yeah, right, yeah, yeah. So we, we all do the interviews. You can still find these, you know, out there to this day. And we had two copies of Loose Change. We end up giving one to Cindy Sheehan. We end up giving one to Fox News. We don’t think much is going to come of it. Next day rolls around, we get a phone call. Movie’s incredible. We can’t believe this. We’re gonna do two parts of this on our thing.

We’re gonna be the feature. We’re like, wow, okay, this is what Cindy did. Not what Fox News. Oh, no, this is Fox News. We didn’t hear from Sydney. Never heard from. I later had Cindy on when I worked for Infowars and I actually spent time with her at the G20. She’s in my film Invisible Empire. Uh, but no, we didn’t hear back from Cindy. Instead, Fox News calls us from Binghamton because remember, this is local Fox News. And it’s before the Sinclair Group has literally bought every single local news media station. There were still some mom and pop shops.

So they put it on their website. And this again, there’s no YouTube at this point, guys. Like, that’s not how you couldn’t embed things. They literally put it up as a couple WMV files. We crashed their server several times because it became this hugely popular story. So they had to do a third story on it. And that really began the trickle down. I mean, I, I ended up quitting my day job within I think a month of us releasing it on DVD. I was packaging the DVDs and I still remember this day. Joe Rogan is the first celebrity to buy 10 copies.

Joe@joe rogan.net. i remember getting that order. And you know, that’s all the way back in 2005. So from that, you know, we end up traveling the country. I end up speaking at Princeton University, I end up debating. It’s crazy. I mean, at this point they were allowing you to do this because now you can’t keep going. Yeah, I mean, it was, there was more of a dialogue because at the time it wasn’t cut shut. Our film was really able to go viral. And people will Forget this is YouTube. Was, was kind of a thing, but it wasn’t owned by Google.

It was different, wasn’t it? Yeah, it was the last bastion of free market of ideas where you could be a kind of a startup and have like, I would say that impact technologically. So what Google did is to compete with YouTube, they created Google Video. And at the time, YouTube, you could only have a 10 minute video unless you had a director’s account. Very hard to get a director’s account. You know, still pretty choppy. No live streaming. All those things will come later. But YouTube competed by saying, you know, we got all this bandwidth, you could put a four hour video.

So all of A sudden, people are uploading. Not only loose change in one language, but in a dozen other languages. It ended up, you know, being sanctioned and bought by the History Channel and played on the fifth anniversary in, like, 12 countries. And even Virgin Airlines and Richard Branson, they had it on their airline for, like, less than 48 hours before Bill O’Reilly freaked out about it. I didn’t know all this stuff. Oh. So they. It was. But see, back then, we were free. I felt like we were free, had to be free. They had the Don’t Be Evil logo.

Yeah. And they were eating in that free market of ideas. So what they did is once they got done competing, they bought YouTube for about $8 billion. And then they sunsetted. Google Video. You can still find a lot of those videos. You know, there’s some classics up there. I remember being with the guys and Alex Jones, first time we met him out in Chicago in 2006 over on the Man Cow show. And we’re in the hallway talking to Carlos Mencia about the Bohemian Grove. It was kind of a wild time. We were looked down upon, by the way.

You know, people were goofing on us then. Not so many. Go ahead. I remember fifth anniversary. Adam Carolla had me on his show. I was down at ground Zero, and he had no nice things to say to me and was hoping that I would make pizza for the rest of my life. And now these guys are like, you know, even Tucker Carlson, you know, how many times did he attack? Loose change in 9 11. Truth over the years. Some of these people, I think they’re doing, like, genuine mea culpas. But at the same time, I think that, you know, some of them are grifting, and some of them, quite frankly, even though they think they’re doing good, they’re.

They’re really not managing the information in a responsible manner to show the vast array of how that attack was. Had happened. Because now I think after we’ve seen what they’ve given us with the JFK documents, what can you expect with the 911 documents? You know, Sarah, a lot of people don’t know. We had three levels of TSCI documents leaked by the quote, unquote, dark overlord hacking group that gave out significant information all the way back in 2018, seven years ago. Wow. And there were two layers that never got released that Lord knows what was in there.

But in those documents, you had the James woods testimony, the actor for those. And you could see kind of bits and pieces because he went on O’Reilly and talked about it. But then you read the court documents and it’s even goes further. What did he say in those that were. That people would not know? James woods was on what he believes to be Flight 11 in August, just before the attack. So we’re talking about two months before the attacks with four hijackers for the hijackers, two that he could name, two that were not supposed to be in the same cells.

Okay. And essentially he was so worried that they were going to hijack the plane that he pulled the stewardess over to the side. She agreed with him. She allowed him to keep his knife civil. Silverware went in, reported it to the captain, the captain locked the cockpit, and all three of them filed a criminal report after the fact that absolutely 100% went to the FBI. Now, he told that story. And then on the morning of 9 11, he called the FBI. They showed up to his door to get his testimony on that because there had been a record of it.

And essentially in some of the widows court cases, the 911 widows court cases, James Wood testified. So the testimony came out in the dark overlord of which hijackers. They were the FBI agents that confirmed that he made those reports and that Seymour Hersh had also confirmed that he made those reports and that those two were indeed some of the, quote, unquote, alleged hijackers. These people were protected from the very. Can you imagine being on a plane where the pilot, the stewardess and a Hollywood actor are like, they’re gonna hijack it and nothing is done? Wow. You know, that’s kind of like Bill Benny, when he was saying they were.

They had all the NSA done. He came out and said they were just. They didn’t even look at this stuff. So, I mean, there was information from every direction saying these guys are Malcolm. Sarah Albritton called the CIA on her neighbor Walid Al Shari. She didn’t call law enforcement. She called the Central Intelligence Agency, yet another one of the hijackers that was protected. A lot of people talk about this Saudi Arabian Al Bayoumi. That information. I mean, we had that in Loose Change, second edition, if not if. And the final cut where we explain it more.

You know, the guy was an FBI informant. And, you know, we didn’t know the Central Intelligence Agency connection at the time, but you had hijackers that listed their addresses at military facilities in Florida. You had several of them train over in the Monterey, California language Defense School. You had the vice chancellor come out on that. You had Maxwell Air Force Base and Muhammad Ada. I mean, these guys were spook Central. In fact, I forget what show it was, but I know I was on the road and somebody was talking about this new spy ring of Israeli kiosks.

Yeah, a lot of people talk about the Israeli art students that were following the hijackers. They also had kiosks in malls where long before the days of the drones, they used to have those little helicopters that used to take the zip tie and fly up. So they were hawking those and gaining intelligence. They had rounded up a ton of those guys prior to 911 and then arrested even more of them after 9 11. Well over a hundred. Both Ari Fleischer and Colin Powell actually had to go on the record about their detention. All that is actually in my follow up to Loose Change called Fabled Enemies.

So whereas Fable or Loose Change really focused on the physical anomalies, I’d say 90% of the time and justifiably so. What I tried to do in Fabled Enemies was take the international intelligence operation that it was and show people, the Pakistani, the Israeli, the continuity of government angles to all of it in that integration. And really, for instance, take you into some of the players that covered it up after the fact, again, well before he was even the Vice President of the United States. I’ve got Joe Biden in that film admitting to meeting with one of the money men behind 911 twice, you know, twice he admits it when he’s running for President in 2008 at the very first democratic debate.

He talks about his meeting with General Mahmoud Ahmed. For those who are unaware of General Mahmud Ahmed, Mahmoud Ahmed was the head of the Pakistani ISI, that is their Central Intelligence Agency. But essentially the ISI network is post World War II with United States and British intelligence. And during the 70s and early 80s, for example, they were, and this is in the film, you can go watch mainstream media talk about it. They were the network that was going against the Russians with the United States. So we’ve all seen Rambo and the freedom fighters. It was the ISI and bin Laden that had that whole network that was kind of the connection there.

And remember, I’m not saying it’s true, but if you look at where they supposedly found bin Laden, where was. He is in Pakistan, right by a military base, even in January of 2002. So four months after the attacks, Dan Rather and CBS did a news report. Again, this was one of those funny things make sense and anybody can go check it out. They went to a hospital in Pakistan. Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment with the military surrounding him there. On September 10th the night before the attacks wasn’t in Afghanistan. They knew exactly where he was.

He, it’s, it’s a made up. So now after all this information that you have and people can watch, you’re fascinated. You have your own show. You just, you got, you are now everybody was giving you attention at this point where. And then people are waking up in droves. And then something happened, right? The world, they shut it down. I mean it’s tough to say. I think that number one, the timing. I think we had that moment on the fifth anniversary and when they. We had over 10,000 people with 9 11. We printed 10,000 investigate 911 shirts that we within the first hour had given away.

We had over 10,000 People down at ground zero on the fifth anniversary. That’s something kind of fun actually. But go ahead. Well listen, it’s one of the most memorable events ever for me. But where’s the media coverage? Go, go try to find videos on that fifth anniversary of Ground Zero. They don’t show them to you. The only people that did, even a long shot. You have to go to the C SPAN archives to even get a feel for how many of us there were. That woke you up pretty early to how much the media is controlled then.

It, it was incredible. I mean I kind of started get woken up even before I had gotten into the films because Popular Mechanics before they put their book out had done this cover story on 9 11. And I was hopeful that they were actually going to take a look at the stuff that I had been looking at and be honest about it. And as soon as they weren’t. Yeah, yeah, as soon as they weren’t, my stomach dropped and I never thought that I was going to get to debate them. But again, true story. Fifth anniversary. I was supposed to go on Glenn Beck when he was on CNN well before Fox News.

And I was supposed to debate both David Dunbar, I would assume, and James Meggs. They were booked. We got booked on Democracy now now originally Amy Goodman. It was going to be one versus one. So I wasn’t even going to be on. It was going to be Dylan versus Megs. But then Dunbar, who had co authored the book wanted to come on so they let me come on. I, you know, even as heated and maybe fast talking as I was, I still think I eviscerated those guys at 26 and I think it shows because Glenn Beck canceled us and they let James Meg.

Yeah, but I’ve been talking to his people all week and then all of a sudden we were not allowed on. So you know, I know Beck’s come around a lot, but at the same time I still remember those slights, you know, and if you got guys like Greenwald even, you know, three years ago talking about picking and choosing your battles. What battle? 2001. Our entire foreign and domestic policy is based on the narrative they sold us on. 9 11. Homeland Security, Deutsche Land security doesn’t exist. NDAA doesn’t exist. Military Commissions act doesn’t exist. Patriot act doesn’t exist.

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Okay, back to the program. So I’m actually the first guy to ever get a show on Infowars. Okay. So Jones and I meet in 2006. He ends up being the executive producer on Loose Change, Final Cut, which I would, I, I tell Everybody, Loose Change. Second Edition is the one that went viral, that allowed us the money to, like, travel the country and do our own investigation. And, you know, a lot of the people that we interviewed didn’t end up in the film. They didn’t want to end. It’s so bizarre, you know, like, that’s how we got Barry Jennings, the guy that was blown up in Building 7.

April Gallup, who didn’t appear in. In that film, wouldn’t let us use it, but she’s the one that crawled out of the hole in the Pentagon. The two brothers. I forget what they’re maybe the Shinky brothers. They supposedly witnessed the plane flying overhead that went into the Pentagon. Lloyd England, the cab driver, who is on the freeway interstate where the Pentagon incident goes down, and you have that light pole that’s in the taxi cab, went and interviewed him. That just a funny, quick anecdote in Lloyd England’s car. He still had the cab with the smashed window.

In the back seat was David Ike’s Children of the Matrix. So you can’t make things like that up. I mean, we interviewed and went around for quite some time, and. And I’m very proud of that picture. So he becomes the executive producer on that. At that time, we really thought we could get that film into theaters. We were still fighting as hard as we could. It was after the fifth anniversary, but people like Charlie Sheen, for instance, had expressed interest in narrating it. You know, I ended up at Sheen’s house screening this Different World, although it’s starting to come back to that.

But keep going. Like, people are starting to open up now, as open as they were back then. Yeah, I think. I think you’re. You’re right. But I do worry again, about the narratives being sold and the alternative, because so many of them are very, very skewed from reality. You know, the fact is, the vast majority. No one’s a hero. I’m not a hero. You know what I mean? We all kind of suck. We all kind of suck. And when you get to these power vacuums, there’s even kind of more to question. But getting back to Jones, so he becomes the executive producer in that.

I’ve got another story to tell. I want to tell this story about the International Intelligence Organization. I want to show the Israelis and the Pakistanis and the continuity of government program and all these things. So Jones agrees to produce that film as well. I write the script. This is the first one that I’m writing and directing on my own. Dylan’s not involved at all. Corey’s like a producer on the side, but kind of a name only. But Jones is the main producer. So I go down to Texas for a few months to edit this thing with Aaron Dykes who’s now Truth Stream Media.

They do great work as well. And at the time Infowars is in this kind of small building that he shares it with a, like a Mexican barber shop and a Korean grocery store. He’s a cat. And, and these, these are true. This is outside of Austin, but there’s this famous transsexual at the time named Leslie. So there’s this guy that looks like Yosemite Sam but he has full on breasts. Like I, I, you know, I don’t want to misgender or whatever. But he was so famous like he used to walk the streets of south street all the time or 6th street that he had a local Visa commercial.

So like this guy would be outside of the office all the time because he’d be at the coffee shop. Be the weirdest thing. And then I go out to the bars and people would be going to take pictures with him. Surreal, surreal that I’m in Jones’s office and we’re doing this. So I become the, the substitute host. He’s like, you want to give it a, you want to give it a go, Burmas? I’m like, yeah, I do. Let’s, let’s give it a go. So at this time and you can still watch these videos, we’re like in a little black room.

Like it’s very traditional talk radio. We’re very like even my studio right now is way more wide open. Black room, one camera. Anya. I think he did have the overhead cam so you could take the printed things out. And I start cutting my teeth. In 2008 now I’d done some blog talk radio kind of stuff and I think we, me and Dylan had louder than words radio that I was on RBN and then gcn, all these kind of fledgling networks. But we were doing it over a phone, you know what I mean? It wasn’t like in a studio.

Jones likes what I do. He likes the release of the film. I had wanted to make a much larger scale picture called Invisible Empire. A new world order to find. Because when I, you know, when I initially found Jones and I’d heard that term, I’d only kind of heard it from the kooky Christians that I grew up with. And I dismissed it. Yeah. And obviously by this point I’d kind of done the same thing I did with 911 on the new World Order. Only now I kind of had more tools. It wasn’t just downloading stuff. I had access to the C SPAN archives.

So you, back then again, you couldn’t just go online. You had to go online, find it, and then they would send you a burn DVD. In fact, I have a stack of those burned DVD still from my 9, 11 days that they would send to you. And I also used to use the Vanderbilt archive, so you get all these things from like the 50s. So I had stacks of stuff and I had it all organized. So Jones says, yeah, let’s make this movie. And I move out to Texas this time for a much more extended stay than three months.

And almost immediately I’m not just the side host. He’s like, do you want your own show? And he gives me the show, the Infowarrior with Jason Burmes. And so while I’m out there, I think for about a year and a half I had that show. And then after we got done with Invisible Empire, I went back to New York. I had always kept my place in New York at the time too. And like I’ve kind of been on and off on shows. Took a little bit of a break after I did a film called Shade the Motion Picture with Shepard Ambellis.

Jones is in that, but he never produced it. And I’d say I kind of went, I don’t know, Semi Normie 2011-2017 ish. Even with that movie, it’s very difficult to make a living doing these type of things. You know, I occasionally go on shows like Dangerous Conversation or be a guest on something, but it was really while I was running a bar in 2017, sitting down, thinking about the Bilderberg Group. And by the way, hold on a second, before you move on to 2017, you. When was it that you had a show with Jones? Was it 2000, 2009 and 1010? And then why did you leave? Why did you leave Alex Jones? At that point, you know, I, I wanted to, you know, I wanted to keep making movies.

You know, I mean, he, he seemed like he wasn’t really interested. If you actually go back to that time period, I’m the last guy to do any of those movies. Like that’s the Obama deception time. And then he makes a fall, a follow up, the Fall, the Republic. But they stopped making documentaries. And at the time, you know, that’s really. I wasn’t interested. I’m still really not. I’m not interested in being a personality. Right. I feel like I, I want to have A voice. And I obviously like debating people. And I’m. I’m a little disappointed that my generation never got their Martin Luther King Jr.

Right, or that voice that could really articulate things. And I think I can spar with the best of them. I don’t necessarily hear my point of view by a lot of people. And like, for instance, I never thought I was going to get the opportunity to interview Rudy Giuliani. Right. And then, lo and behold, I had him on in October. Giuliani is coming on about, you know, the Biden crime family and them going to jail and writing a book about it. And like, five minutes into, I’m like, rudy, let’s stop being children. No one’s going to jail.

Like, like, that’s not a real thing. Rudy, did he fight with. I had him on my program and he just, like, yelled at me for about 10 minutes. And then we had a good conversation because he came off the Columbia protest and he was all fired up. And I said, I don’t like the killing. When it came to Gaza, man, did that trigger him? Well, listen, that’s the whole thing. You know, I’ve also seen a lot of the pitfalls of, like, alternative media over the last 20 years. Any time that you’re going to sit there and you’re going to say that this group or that group, especially when you’re talking about an ethnic group or, you know, a social group, controls everything, that’s not how the world works.

It’s not. There are these competing factions and ideas and there are certain power structures, like I just said, you know, Bilderberg takes place this week in Sweden. Okay. Now, I’m not saying that Eric Schmidt and Peter Thiel don’t have a lot in common. They do. Yeah. Yeah. While they’re sitting there battling over where the next, you know, techno authoritarianism goes to or comes from, I think there are nuanced debates there. Right. Those are both steering members. Absolutely right. And that’s what I’ve kind of come in. There’s, there’s. Whenever I see, like, there’s one thing happening, I think that it’s.

There’s either a psyop behind it, or people are just trying to make a name for themselves, but keep going. No, it’s just one of those things where, you know, I don’t think I look at a world where it’s 2025 and they want us to trust the science and all these technological feats. And look, we’ve done a lot of cool things. I’m not saying we haven’t but we also still have royalty or rule by bloodline in 2025. And I know that a lot of people will sit there and dismiss, oh, you know, the royal family in the Europe doesn’t have any power.

Oh, suddenly people that had all this power don’t have power anymore. Yeah, they’ll just say, oh, there, it’s pretend. And then I go, well, what about the Saudi royal family? I go, even look at China. And even though it’s not quote, unquote royalty, you have a one party system that is very nepotistic. These are not good things. This is not in the direction of, you know, a rule for and by the people. And you know, I just did a big panel on the disclosure topic. Okay. And it’s not the panel that most people would think on, you know, aliens or all these other things.

It’s a reality panel. And the reality is we can sit here and talk about these technologies and where they’re from and whatever, but we know that we have weapon systems that are extremely advanced and that’s a good thing. I think that we should have a Defense Department. We’ve had Trump say that, you know, talk about these weapon systems. Why haven’t we found a way to utilize that technology to empower humanity? Why are, yeah, why, why is energy so expensive? You know, like right now they’re openly talking about the artificial intelligence getting more power than any human beings in history while they’re telling us we’re not allowed to use it.

You know, think about that for a second. They want to, they want to talk about your carbon footprint. Yet they’re more than willing to build many nuclear reactor centers in these massive. Have you seen how big the Kentucky Meta center is that they’re building? It’s the size of lower Manhattan. So this is one center that’s going to have multiple nuclear reactors. If this is safe and good, and I’m not saying it isn’t, why haven’t they used it for us? Well, and that’s, that’s exactly the conversation I had with Mike Harris this morning. And, and the fact that this military technology that’s really advanced, why is it not being used like NASA when NASA supposedly all the fiber optics and all that stuff, that’s a good example where society got to benefit.

Supposedly you can already whatever the history is with NASA. Okay? I don’t care. But the point is, is that the fiber optics and NASA that improves society went to the civilian population and we got massive new technology. It simulated the economy, it changed us for support. I think it Changes for the better with a lot of things. That’s what all this modern communication is, right? They’re not doing this with this other tech. Well, I would also argue that NASA, you know, 90 plus percent of what you see is not what they’re doing. Well, that’s what I was saying.

You can argue about the history, you could argue about all that stuff. And I think it’s important for people to understand, for instance, what they’re publicly doing with technology. So you just talked about fiber optics. But I had Greg Autry on my program last year. He penned the book Red Moon Rising with Peter Navarro. And they always come at it as kind of China, we gotta go to Mars, and a bunch of stuff that I have no interest in. And I think it’s talking points and nothing more. Right. What I got into it with him and he was kind of surprised because again, he know what, he knows what book he wrote and he knows what most people talk about.

I’m like, look, not interested in that until I’m interested in the weaponization of space. I’m interested in the issuance, I’m interested in the Bionano technology that you’re working on there. So the conversation shifted a little bit. And for instance, one of the things that they do on the iss, and this also for grownups, this should let everybody know that there is a certain level that you get geopolitically where it’s beyond the things you see on television. In other words, we’re not the only ones that have weaponized space. Russia and China clearly have, or they would have no spot on the International Space Station, full stop.

In fact, when that’s prior to the Ukraine Russian war kicking off, Elon Musk got into a Twitter battle with the head of the Russian Space Agency and he clearly, you know, everybody was talking about nukes in space from Russia like four months ago, it was super hot. This guy just came right out, said, yo, we’ll nuke your ass in 20 minutes from space. Now again, with what the United States has and possibly China, you don’t really know what the defense systems are, but let’s talk about what they do publicly on ISS. So with Autry, 3D printing of organs was something that came up.

So I asked him, why do it there in space as compared to the United States in low gravity environments, it’s much easier to print something that is not flat. Okay, so it’s a three dimensional thing. And one of the things I often talk about is transhumanism. For those that do not know right now, Martine Rothblatt, who is the most powerful transgender person on the planet, has gotten United Therapeutics to get FDA approval on xenotransplantation. And I think they’ve had three of these surgeries. All have been unsuccessful in the long run of taking a human kidney, gestating it, or growing it in a pig, and then transplanting it into a human.

So this would skip that gestation process. It would be 100 human material. It would be an anti gravity. And that’s what I talked about this morning, the taking the technology of anti gravity and applying it to manufacturing. There’s all sorts of things. You just used one example that’s a good example of a technology that’s been hidden, that needs to come out so it could benefit his society. Organoids are another thing that they’re building out on the iss, have to be in space. Or can we do it here and create a. You can do it here. Yeah.

And that’s a lot of this. Again, just like xenotransplantation or 3D bioprinting. They’re telling us some of the things publicly now. Now Greg Autry of NASA will also tell you that NASA is not involved in any classified programs. But we’ll get to that in one second. They are. Don’t. Well, I’ll just give me a second. So just for those that don’t know what an organoid is, essentially you take human stem cell material and then you take that genetic material and build brain matter artificially, but from your genetic code. And those are organoids. So I actually recently did a story.

What do you mean? Because I know about bodyoids where they’re building, they’re actually growing an entire body for the purposes of human transplantation. You know, with those types of. What is this with your brain? Because they talk about. Hold up. Yeah, it has to be. Because with those, they claim that they, they stunt the development of the brain so that you have this whole bot, which I. There’s a lot of ethical ramifications of this where they build a whole body with all that totally me. They would build me, grow me, except they would stunt my brain.

It’s like that island, you know the movie the island, so that you have organs that you can transplant. I will say this. They’re doing stuff like that, but go ahead. I have not. For me, I’ve not seen the evidence that that like full body gestation is possible. Well, they’re talking about it. MIT and Stanford just came out with, talking about it a couple months ago. I’m not Saying, like, theoretically or maybe somewhere in a black site. I’m just saying, what can I prove? And the organoid thing, much different. What is it? Your brain. They develop brain tissue.

What the heck is that? Yeah. So they take your brain tissue and then they actually incorporate it into traditional electronics like a motherboard. So it’s. It’s transhuman, reversed. So they’re getting you more comfortable with giving up your genetic material that then now powers machines outside of your body. So this individual that I was just discussing, he was a composer. And actually in 1965, this guy was like an experimental composer, is really. I think his name was Alvin Lucius or something like that. He hooked electrodes up to his brain and he conducted this orchestra. You can go watch it on YouTube just from his brain waves.

Right. So he was like this experimental guy. And then posthumously, this. These organoids created some kind of original music at this premiere. Now, obviously. Yeah, yeah, now obviously, I don’t think that it’s him doing that. I think, again, it’s that movement of transhumanism. But these are the type of things that they’re doing up there. Getting back to the classified programs, I brought up Musk and I brought up the fact, first of all, Starlink essentially is the commercial Defense Department communication. They have a backdoor into it. Come on. Yeah, just all the telecoms, all they had back doors into everything.

So that was actually in hepting vs at&t with Norris Insight Systems. And I have a large section on the pre 9, 11. This was known Norris Insight. It’s in invisible empire. But getting back to the classified things, so they also launch with Starlink what is known as the Blackjack program on these Falcon Nines, those are the outward DARPA spy satellites, Right. So Musk last year got commissioned to build the new spy satellite network. So I go to Greg Autry. I go, greg, what do you have to say about Musk building this new spy satellite network? And he goes, well, I can’t comment on classified programs.

So, you know, you just rebrand it from NASA to Space X. And you act like, I don’t know. And you just. It’s. It’s ridiculous. NASA, first of all, Dennis Bushnell, who was the chief scientist for decades there and around, all the way back in Gemini Pre Apollo, his future strategic warfare document from July 2001 was a blueprint for the next 25 years. Literally a blue. Go read it. I mean, I’ve gone over it prior to 2025 and now post. This guy is such a proponent of transhumanism very open about things like spying on everybody and taking everybody’s information for large language models.

I mean, I have him on camera probably like in 2016, talking about, you know, Google being the, the AI brain and reading all of your emails, listening to all your doing that already, according to nsa. But now they want to do it transhumanist wise, where they tap into your brain to do it. Is that what you’re saying also, Bushnell? So in this document, they basically tell you that the Bionano era of humanity is going to occur in 2020. Now, I don’t care who you are and what you believe. I know we had bionanotechnology prior to that.

We had never injected billions of people with BioNanotechnology until 2020. Seems like they got that spot on. Now the next era is the quote unquote, virtual era, which is kind of what you were alluding to is these human brain interface devices. So hold on one second. Do you think we’re all attached because the vaccine shed or through other ways they got the nanotech into everybody? As to what was in the bionanotechnology itself? I’ve had them all on. I’ve seen all like the dark microscopy. I always say this, I’m not a biologist. I have no idea what was.

And I think it was varied things. I mean, and we talk about those shots. People need to understand. Musk printed those up. Okay, Musk partnered, Tesla partnered with CureVac. Like 80 plus percent of the shots were printed up by his company. All right, so this idea that he was injured or what did. He’s the one that made the most money during that period too. Like he, he literally made 600 billion. He beat Buffett Gates. Yeah, Sergey Brin beat the hell out of him. Okay, so you know, going back to what, what the Bionano era and into this with transhumanism and Bushnell.

So Bushnell in 2011, talking about things like population control that they would instigate, talking about mainly climate change is the vehicle. He begins to talk about transhumanism and not only genetically modifying the human species, but he talks about how they’ve already put 10,000 brain chips in people. This is in 2011. Well, they did because they were doing it to the indigenous community. I had a Native American high up. Native American. She got my program and then wouldn’t come back because she was. Her life was threatened and they told her not to do it. But she was talking about how in the 90s they were chipping Native American communities, tracking their Health records and their bank accounts through that.

That was in the 90s. Let me just say this technology has been around for a long time. You got the chief scientists of NASA in 2011 saying 10,000 people again, at that point, add these things. Now he comes out in 2018 in a separate speech at the FIRE conference. Now this one’s really interesting for a multitude of reasons. Later on, for instance, he gets asked about the satellites moving in odd directions. You know, basically what I’m talking about now, space warfare again, this is 2018. And he hears the question, he just laughs, smiles at him. He goes, no comment.

And then he goes, you know what, what you know, you don’t know is that I’m the National Security Department rep and I can’t talk about these things. Well, he’s right though, because I had somebody back in that, when I was working in big tech in the 90s, I had somebody, one of the people I worked with used to work and be responsible for managing one of these satellites. And he was saying that they, overnight they had to do a whole bunch of stuff just to keep wars from happening. And this happened a couple times to him.

So I mean that’s. And again, in the same thing, he talks about not 10,000, but now 200,000 people. Okay, and when was this? 2011, 2018? Well, yep, in a seven year period, you had a 20x 20x increase in how many people had taken that? We’re now 2025. So it’s now seven more years later. How many people have these things? Because, you know, they’re, they’re saying, you know, Musk has chipped like a few humans. Right. A lot of people don’t know. The competitor to Neuralink is actually Blackrock’s Neurotech. So Blackrock has also chipped human beings and these are just the public ones.

Well, I would argue if we have hundreds of thousands of people with these type of devices, you have a wide array of devices, use cases, etc. And clearly they have not been shared with the public. Okay, let me ask you, as we start to wind this on, this is super, I have to have you back. Do you think who’s behind all this stuff? Is it just a bunch of rogue humans and it’s a faction? I think there’s multiple factions here. That’s a faction you’re talking about. Because I don’t believe that all factions are 100% behind this.

I think. Go ahead. That first of all, I am highly skeptical of anything quote, unquote supernatural. I’m not dismissive of it. I want to make that very, very clear. I think that, for instance, we don’t see everything. I think that’s very clear. Right. Like we only see a certain spectrum of light. I think some of Ike’s work is intriguing, especially the nature of our physical reality and how everything is always remote viewing. You really do. There are people that really have the ability to do some of this stuff on the fence on all that. I do think that.

I think too much proof. Go ahead. And there is something in the ether, for instance, the secret or the law of attraction, or. I think that there are these kind of metaphysical things that are connected to our brain that. That are not, I think, discussed scientifically and in a reality fashion. Enough. That being said, aliens, interdimensional beings, especially things like the metaverse. I, first of all, I flat out don’t believe in the metaverse or like the multiverse theory, all those. I think that’s all bullshit. I think that we are in unreality. Down the line. Flesh and blood.

One shot at the title. You know, there’s not a, you know, an infinite amount of Jason Burmeses out there. That’s all nonsense. And that’s all being pushed by NASA and Google to get together in their interpretation of quantum mechanics, which obviously is spooky and outside of the realm of what we know as human beings. I think that we have generationally. All right, now, there are certain people that do believe in their religion hardcore, right? For sure. There are, yeah. Temple and destroy, the Dome of the Rock. I think there are Christians out there that want to bring in the Rapture and want Jesus Christo to come back and like, they.

They want these things to happen. I’ve got no stake in the ball game. I want to say that right now, but overarching. I think there is a group of human beings, just like throughout time, that have always wanted to live forever. From the tales, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Or the Tree of Life or all these things. Right. And now they believe that technologically that is a possibility. So their idea is, number one. Yes. They’ve always wanted to consolidate power, authoritarianism, the quote unquote, new world order. 11 world order, brain chips, all command and control. But ultimately they would like to harness this technology so that they can biologically live forever and use this technology on us sparsely, to experiment, to perfect it.

While on the other transhumanist angle, convince the general populace that they can somehow upload their consciousness. Yeah. And essentially on that. Yeah. Yes. So now there’s a lot of in betweens. Right. Kind of what we talked about with transhumanism. But I think that that is the. I think there is that sect of human beings at the very tippity top. You know, those, those billionaires and you know, the banksters that really think that they can ascend to the true God level. Now, I don’t believe that. Now are they interfacing with something else? I don’t know. I think there’s a lot of mumbo jumbo and Johnny nonsense out there.

And especially in that arena of disclosure and aliens, there’s. I mean, you think there’s baggery and ass clownery in the alt media space, in the UFO space. It is over the top. It is like the. What, the Bluebirds? What was it? What was his name? Yeah. See again, I, I’ve heard especially during the 9, 11 days when people would corner you and they’d want you to talk about the Galactic Federation or this and that. You know, I, I’ll say this, it was like today I get annoyed probably more than anything with the flat Earth stuff because that’s like the trigger reaction when you question, oh, what are you a flat Earther? Back in the day, before flat earth started taking off and that didn’t happen until like 2010-11, it was always the lizard people.

And I’d get very angry at that because Ike’s done some really good work. But I don’t agree. You know, I’ve had Icon several times as kid. I like them. I respect David for remaining anti war when some other people have compromised their values and et cetera. I’m very much on that. But that doesn’t mean I believe in lizard people. I will say this. I am kind of happy now, 20 years plus later in perspective in the fact that the lizard people thing has now caught on that where it’s not even used as you actually believe in lizard people.

It’s just like if you’re a terrible person, you’re. You’re a Zucker. Zuckerberg’s a lizard person. Right. Like it’s just become part of the popular vernacular. So I think that’s a positive thing. You know, I, I still don’t love how it came about. Well, I still get emails saying that I don’t understand what’s going on with reality because the people that are running this planet are lizard souls and that I’m clueless and I can’t handle the truth. I just had an email like that yesterday again. You know, it was a really interesting TV series, but at the same time, just like with Everything, especially on the alien issue.

We have been conditioned so much to believe in aliens and have a certain view of space and the moon and Mars. And I am telling people, you just scratch the surface a little bit and you start finding out that what we’ve been sold on, all this stuff is gibberish. It’s not. Space is a real dangerous place. Like super dangerous. Like, like it’s a varied place. It’s dangerous. And if you think that Elon Musk is sending human beings to Mars, you have literally zero idea, zero of how difficult space travel is and what rockets can really do.

Because it’s not even, it’s not even in the conversation that unless they’re utilizing something completely different other than rockets and more that human beings could even get there. That’s not. It’s not. So do you think we went to the moon? So let me say this. When you talk about the moon, I think that we’ve been lied to a lot about them. For instance, they’re telling us it’s about a quarter million miles away. If that is true, okay? And if that is true, I want people to understand that human beings compared to that 250,000 up and then 250,000 back, 550,000 thousand miles just six months ago.

The furthest we have ever gone and women have ever gone, by the way, they sent up a four man team on a Dragon capsule. 1100 miles in the air. That’s it. That’s the furthest. So 1, 250th of that in rockets. Okay? And it’s first time human beings since the Apollo missions have crossed the Van Allen belts, by the way. Highly skeptical they went that far. I have no way to measure it. I do know that they were somewhere in space. But to again give you perspective, the Russians have never even been 300 miles in space. So not a thousand.

They haven’t been 300. And the Russians had the first manned space station, they had the first satellite. That’s where arpa, then DARPA comes out of that. You don’t believe in moon mission is what you’re telling us. Or at least you’re giving us facts to show that. There might be some questions here, guys. If we went to the moon, there is no way rocket technology took us there. One and two. I mean, zero chance, everybody, I mean, I am highly skeptical that rocket technology wouldn’t falter in unmanned missions on some of these very, very long ones. And I watched them build these massive satellites.

Like I am so dorked out. I have like original 80s, like I’ll just show you, you know, like sitting right here. And this isn’t even all of them. These are like the cosmos. So you were a Star Trek fan and all that stuff. It’s like I go into having hard copies of like all the Apollo stuff and the Gemini stuff. You were big time. Okay. The guy, you know, there’s those people again. You’re the guy that was there cheering when the rocket got taken off. Which one were you there when? I mean, you the guy that would go to space launches and cheer when you’re a kid? Oh, nothing like that.

I, I listen, I, I have always, I guess I’ve always been fascinated with the unknown. Right. Like you want to solve the mysteries. Telling you, you know, the UFO topic was the topic as a kid, that really got me going. But then once you start scratching the surface of what we’re actually doing, you know, not just the sci fi stuff or the rumors, it’s a thousand times more interesting. And when, you know, the Apollo stuff and the fake moon landing stuff, when Fox did that like documentary, that’s when it kind of mainlined. It was with. Who was it? The guy from Star Trek the Next Generation number two.

He, he does this documentary and I’m like, oh, wow, this is interesting. Did we ever go to the movie? Because like this is pre college. I started looking into it and you just again, you look at the baseline. Like if I told you that I was going to California and then I’m in New York City and I drove to Boston, is that the same thing? Like, like everybody else could just drive to Boston, but they can’t go to California. Like the length difference is incredible. And then to get off the surface of the moon the way that they, they said they did, I think there’s a lot of shenanigans there.

I think again, Artemis was supposed to go to the moon with human beings in 2024. Again, you know, you know who they sent instead? And I’m skeptical they even did this. Supposedly we did send an unmanned rocket to the moon and it went around. We sent a stuffed Snoopy doll on that mission. So Snoopy got to go to the moon last year. Well, it kind of makes sense if it’s that dangerous. We just really don’t know what we’re doing. It’s, it’s fast. I have to have you back because you have a wealth of knowledge and you’ll dive into topics that most people won’t talk about.

So this is fascinating for me. I love it. Where can people follow you? Yeah, at Jason Burmas everywhere. B E R M A s I’m on YouTube. I’m on X, I’m on Rockfin. I’m on Rumble. I’ve got a band video. All of my documentary films are free. If you go to the YouTube section. Just go to my documentaries. Loose Change, Final Cut, Fabled Enemies, Invisible Empire, A new world order to find and shade the motion picture. Those are the things that are going to last a lot longer than Jason Burmas. I’d say the Shade is probably my best picture.

Had a 20 minute section on Bill Gates in 2013 warning you that he had bought into Monsanto, that he was part of weather modification, that he was into population control, vaccinations, et cetera. Largely ignored films. All my films, I think they not only stand up to this day but are as important if not more. You want to know about the real Israeli connection, the real Pakistani connection to 9, 11 fabled enemies. You go get to see Joe Biden long before he’s vice president, president and a ton of other people in that as well. So, you know, I hope people check out my stuff and share it with others.

Thank you so much. This was fascinating. Thank you. Sa.
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