Dark Web Data Could Stop Criminal NetworksSo Why Isnt It?

➡ Jason Comer, the founder of Block Scout Research, uses his expertise in blockchain and the dark web to identify and take down scammers like human traffickers and drug traffickers. His company provides valuable information to law enforcement and other agencies that can act on it. However, he has found that the response from other countries is often better than in the U.S., where resources are overwhelmed. Comer also works with Miles Franklin to help people avoid scams related to IRAs and precious metals.
➡ The speaker, Jason, started a radon mitigation company after his mother passed away from lung cancer. He later got into Bitcoin mining and ran the largest Bitcoin mine operation in North America until 2017. After the Bitcoin market crashed, he returned to traditional finance and started working with a bank interested in cryptocurrencies. He then joined a blockchain analytics company, where he helped identify good and bad actors in the crypto world. Now, he runs an intelligence company that tracks transactions on the darknet to identify fraud, scams, and human traffickers. His company also helps exchanges identify and block transactions related to illegal activities.
➡ The text discusses a system that identifies addresses involved in illegal activities like child pornography and human trafficking before they get funded, aiming to prevent exchanges from sending money to these addresses. However, the response from law enforcement and exchanges varies, with some overwhelmed by the volume of data or unresponsive. Despite this, the system continues to gather data, identifying recurring offenders and providing this information to authorities. The creators express disappointment at the lack of interest from American authorities compared to other countries, but remain committed to their work.
➡ The text discusses a tool that can help identify and track child abuse material online. However, the tool faces challenges due to jurisdictional issues and the need for personal data from exchanges. The solution proposed is to have a national office that collects and sorts the data, then distributes it to the relevant local authorities. This could potentially help law enforcement agencies intercept child trafficking networks more effectively.
➡ The text discusses the activities of Cash App, Binance, and Coinbase in the crypto world, and their potential involvement with questionable figures. It also mentions the rise of scams involving Bitcoin ATMs and the efforts of law enforcement agencies to combat these issues. The text further talks about a service called Blockscout AI, which helps track cryptocurrency transactions, aiding in cases of scams, hidden assets in legal disputes, and potentially illicit activities.
➡ The speaker is thanking the guest for joining the program and appreciating their work with Blockscout AI. They believe that if others follow the guest’s lead, it could solve many problems. The speaker admires the guest’s initiative in finding solutions.

We’ve seen some really dark things where like somebody’s like captured or tied up in a location and they’re literally like for sale. So we sometimes engage with those. We generally pass those directly off to the FBI. And now does the FBI move on those? Are we seeing the intelligence agencies doing their job? Well, there’s two pieces to that. The first one on, on those ones where it’s like imminent person for sale. Like you can see that they’re, you know, there’s live footage of them. We don’t know what happens. Right. Like they, it’s, it’s a pretty one way street as far as intelligence sharing.

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Okay, back to the program. Welcome to business Game changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have Jason Comer coming to the program. He has a company called Block Scout Research and if you look at his website here, it says Darknet intelligence meets blockchain expertise. He had the largest bitcoin mining company in the United states back in 2016, time frame. So he’s not a newbie at this area. And he’s, he’s going to come across as really humble, which I love. He uses his expertise and his partners and the people they’re working with to go into the dark web, find intelligence and take down scammers like human traffickers, drug traffickers.

And get information to law enforcement and to different agencies that can act on it. And they have another part of their company. And I’m going to bring up that website, it’s called Darknet Crypto Intelligence. And he says through adversarial techniques that induce threat actors to expose their financial infrastructure, we identify cryptocurrency addresses and CSAM and human trafficking networks hours to days before first funding. So he’s going to explain how this works and how he’s been working with different agencies to, to take down these networks. And unfortunately he’s been having a much better response from other countries and he’s going to explain that and how in this country they’re just overwhelmed and they don’t have the resources either locally or the national organizations that could help are just not really paying attention.

So he, he does have pockets of people that are helping, he’s helping, helping lawyers and he’s getting more and more interest. But it’s kind of a sad state of affairs when our, when the country I’m part of isn’t as interested in some of as some of these other countries. A child being saved is a child being saved. But I sure would like to see more of it happening here. And the more we take down human traffickers here, the bigger chilling effect it’ll have. And it’ll slow, I think it’ll slow it down in general. But he’s a perfect example of how I talk about.

Anybody can solve and come up with solutions. And sure he has an expertise in the blockchain area and in dark web area and things and in bitcoin, but you have probably have something in some area and we need engineers and scientists and people involved in law and people involved everywhere to step up and come up with solutions. And this is what we get when we start getting solutions from the people. And it empowers people to make a difference because a lot of the sheriff offices and the local departments, they do not get support. Somebody like him can support them, give them the data and they can move on some, some actionable intel.

So this is a great conversation that I hope you share far and wide. And if you are an agency or somebody that could use this information, I have his contact information below and can see it by his name during the video. Please contact him and hopefully we can make a dent in this horrific area. And since we’re talking about scams, I have been working with Miles Franklin to help elderly and, and general people get out from under the scam. With IRAs and gold and precious metals. We’ve had hundreds of people come in at this point who have been scammed.

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Buy from somebody who actually helps people get out of scams, who is going to treat you like a sophisticated buyer and not charge you more than what you would in a commodity business. It’s how it should work. And you will also get access to their private price list because it’s very competitive. So go to Sarah Wessel.com Miles Franklin and protect your assets today with somebody that you can really trust. Okay, let’s get into this enlightening conversation that I have with Jason. Comer Hi, Jason, welcome to the program. Hi. Good to see you. You have an interesting background and an interesting story that I think my listeners will find really not just interesting, but hopeful in the sense that somebody’s actually who.

Who has the ability to. Has the skill set, has the means, has the resources, are doing something. Can you share what your background is and then we’re going to get into what your company does? Sure. So I guess taking it from the start, my educational background, I got an mba. Um, so it kind of. I started off life not really knowing what I was really gonna do, you know, at the end of the day. So I ended up after, when I graduated, it was that 0709 kind of area and not great time to be out looking for, like, business.

Like, my background was in finance, right? So, like, not a lot of Chicago, New York type of offices were hiring people. So we ended up getting into real estate. We started buying real estate and got into that pretty heavily in the 09 area area. So I guess we got kind of fortunate on timing wise. So we were able to start flipping houses. I got my real estate license, did the whole flipping house thing. We had up to probably about 15 rental properties. So we did that for a little while. And then I got kind of bored with it and so I ended up back in my traditional finance area and started working at a clearing firm.

So we did stocks and everything. I worked in the risk department. But prior to that, even between the real estate and the banking, there’s a concept in, where I’m from, Nebraska, of radon. So it’s a radioactive gas that gives people lung cancer. And my mom ended up passing from lung cancer. And so I thought that it’d be a good opportunity to help people, I guess on the real estate front, mitigating radon. So it has heavily to do with construction and real estate, which I had the experience in, and so ended up building a radon mitigation company in Omaha.

Ran that for about two years. And then my cousin reached out and was like, hey, have you ever heard of bitcoin? And I was like, well, I’ve heard of it, you know, like, it’s for the darknet, you know, like, things like that. He’s like, no, you should check out this mining thing. And I was like, okay, so I’ll check that out. And so I ordered these two miners from eBay and we started mining bitcoin. And they were making like 2, 2, 300amonth each. And so I was thinking, like, in my entrepreneurial mind, I’m like, sure. What’s stopping a guy from buying a couple.

Couple thousand of these things and just printing money? And so that kind of took me down this path of, like, crypto. And, like, what was this? What your areas. So that was like, 2015, 2016. You got in early on bitcoin then. Smart move. Yes. Yeah. So it seems like a long time ago, but at the same time, it feels like yesterday. I know, 10 years ago. It’s flown by. Yeah, yeah. And so we did that. So we actually ran the largest bitcoin mine operation in North America till about late 2016, early 2017. That’s when all marathon and riot and some of these publicly traded companies came in and just dwarfed us as far as size goes.

So that’s when I got into the banking. So the bear market of 2017, 18, came along for bitcoin, and so not a great time for miners. And so I stepped away from that and got into traditional finance again. And luckily, like, the bank that I worked for was interested in cryptocurrencies. And so they. I was in the Risk Department. And so they said, jason, hey, could you help us, you know, take a look at how we’re going to implement this thing? And so I worked with them a little bit, and we started evaluating all these analytic companies.

So, like, companies that do blockchain analytics. And so we started doing all the testing. And finally, like, one of them said, hey, Jason, like, you’re so good at the testing piece of this, why don’t you just come work for us? You know? And so I was like. I was like, yeah, that sounds really, really, like, good opportunity. Like, it was right up my alley. I love crypto. I love the risk thing. I, you know, have my background in finance and so worked for them for about two years. I was in the attribute. And so what we did is so on the blockchain, there’s, you know, your good actors, right? Your coinbases, cash, apps, finance, things like that.

On the other hand, there’s also the bad actors. Always. They use these technologies to further their financial resources. So what we did is we, you know, pretend to be like, in that case, like, in that time, the big thing was Fentanyl. So wait a minute, let’s back out. So you. You. This is. Now you’re starting to describe what company you’re running right now, right? Yeah. And the company you’re running right now does intelligence for people. Can you. Can you do a summary? Do, like, a quick summary? Because this is the enchilada, what we’re going to be talking about today? Yes.

You have an intelligence company that you built that looks at the transactions on the dark net to find fraud scams and human traffickers. And now you’re starting to explain this area that you’re doing. Okay, take it from here. Correct, yeah. So what we do. So as I was saying, there’s bad actors on the darknet, things along those lines. So what we do is we go into the darknet, we identify these actors, and then we start engaging with them. Either most of them. Like, like I was saying was we started off kind of in the fentanyl arena.

So a lot of like Chinese manufacturers, we pretend to be Mexican cartels. We, you know, have like fake Mexican phone numbers, things along those lines. And we interact with these people to like, make them think that we’re like actual like fentanyl buyers, producer, sellers. And so we start gathering this data so they’ll give us their address. And so once we have one address, we can either see the address if it hasn’t been used before, so meaning that we send a little bit of money to it and then watch what they do with the money, and then we can connect all of their addresses to that, or if they’ve already used the address, we can map out their, their usage based on, based on that.

And we could connect them to things like centralized exchanges, other criminal networks, things along those lines. So, and you do, you, you now, who are your clients at this point? Yeah, so a lot of times it would be things like centralized exchanges. So, you know, like for example, the one, one of the products that we have, it’s automated tool, it goes out to the darknet, it searches for child abuse material sites. And then what it does is it goes into the site, it pretends to be a user, whether they have to register. It knows how to register, it knows how to like, go into forums and talk to people to get these site addresses, things along those lines.

And then what it does is it gets the address or the cryptocurrency address and then takes a screenshot without any other imagery. So it’s very important, like, you know, from automated perspective that when this thing goes in, it needs to collect evidence, but it can’t, you know, it needs to be very careful on what it collects. Right. So we make sure it doesn’t collect any other imagery. You don’t collect, you don’t collect child porn kind of stuff because. No, that implicates you guys. But don’t you need it to a certain extent to be able to prove that this is what they’re doing.

Yeah, so, so what we do, so we’ve worked, we took this to the, one of the three letter agencies and said, hey, here’s what we’re doing, blah, blah, blah. And they said, well, we need to like be able to like you said, have the evidence for this. Right. Like, and so we said, look, like what we’re, what we’ll do is we’ll collect the HTML, the raw HTML, so just the words, you know, in, in the document. We’ll take the screenshot of the cryptocurrency address so you know that that address is tied to that site. And then when we give you this data, you can then with your authority.

Because like, we can’t go to those. Because if you did it, they’d nail you for it. Right? I mean, you now would be in possession of child porn. And so if a bad actor inside the CIA decides that they want to take you guys down because you guys are finding all these bad guys, they can’t. And so you have to protect yourself. Isn’t that sad? But of course I can see why they’re doing that. Yes. Why you are doing that. Yeah, yeah. So. So, so, yeah, so it kind of like took us down this rabbit hole.

And initially we didn’t build this thing specifically for the child trafficking and things like that. It just happened that what it was doing was very efficient at it. You can imagine other things like carding sites, like, like, so like gangs of people will steal credit cards and then they sell those credit cards on the darknet for, for money. So this thing also does those kinds of sites. It does, you know, just look at like drug, drugs and things along that it’s fully automated. And so what we’re able to do actually is, and the exciting part is like, once we started looking at the data that it was collecting, we noticed that a lot of the addresses that we collected were prior to when these CSAM sites even got funded.

So we were able to identify addresses before, like, because normally during encryption. What do you mean this stuff got funded? What, you said something? Yeah, so go ahead. Yeah, so like, so these sites, when, what happens is they, We’ve, we’ve, we’ve been able to intercept the time between when they issue like a address to like for an actor to send money to. So if you’re interested in child, child stuff, they would say, hey, send cryptocurrency to this address. So what we’ve been able to do is step in between that in such a rapid time that we’re able to Intercept these addresses before, like the, before the user sends it to the child trafficking place.

And so where this comes into like the biggest impact is like with exchanges. So what we see is that some of these addresses actually get funded directly by US based exchanges. Not because they want to or we think they’re implicit or anything like that. They just don’t have the data. They don’t know. And so what we’ve been able to do is actually identify these addresses before they get funded so that they can, so that the exchanges can avoid sending to those addresses in the first place. So. Well, and some of it don’t you want it to fund so that you can catch them in the act of buying child porn? Yes.

And then they can nail them. Yeah, so that’s a theory as well. So like we don’t know like what the objectives are for some of these exchanges, like the context in which they work with law enforcement. We just see the end result of the data. Right. So one of the other cases that we find is that like an exchange will send to person a. Person A sends to the child porn. So what we’ve done is identified all the person A’s of the world and then we have that data as well to provide to law enforcement as well.

So you’re like just coming in and vacuuming up this whole area. How large is it now that you’re being able to go in and see all this? And then I want to find out how receptive people are to it. Yeah, so. So both those, both those are interesting points. The first one we have maybe a backlog of up to 40,000 addresses that like, and some of them sadly we find that the same person sends to the same site once per month. So we see that they’re subscribing. Right. Like we see that on the 2nd of the month they send to the same site every month for the last years.

So, so we know that like that’s a person that has a subscription. They’re obviously, you know, not a great actor. Yeah. So just child porn that you’re talking about. So this isn’t necessarily human trafficking, but you do that as well. Yes. Yeah, so. So the trafficking piece is a little more difficult, it’s a little more dynamic on the players you can imagine. Right. Like, like a single person might traffic a human. Maybe it’s a one time payment, you know, things along those lines. So sometimes we do find that there are cases where we’ve seen some really dark things where like somebody’s like captured or tied up in a location and they’re literally like for sale.

So we sometimes engage with those. We generally pass those directly off to the FBI. And now does the FBI move on those? Are we seeing the intelligence agencies doing their job? Well, there’s two pieces to that. The first one on, on those ones where it’s like imminent person for sale. Like you can see that they’re, you know, there’s live footage of them. We don’t know what happens. Right. Like it’s a pretty one way street as far as intelligence sharing. The second case, we’ve reached out to them with this data and we spoke to a, I’m not going to, I guess name exactly which one, but one of the offices just said Jason, like, like how much data is there? Right? And so I said, look, we can give you 10 leads, 10 to 12 leads a day from US based exchanges to either person, A to CSAM or US based exchanges.

To see Sam directly, all you have to do is go to this exchange, ask them who owns these addresses and you know, it seems like a clear cut case. And he’s like, Jason, like that’s just way too much like workload, right? Like, like this, he’s like in the office, in this office particularly, it’s me that deals with the child stuff and I’m already backlogged as it is. If you give me 10 leads a day, you know, this is like, it’s just, you know what I, I, I, I have with the same contact that hooked me up who is the team, Iowa head lead that I spoke at a conference and they were moving to put a task human trafficking task force in place.

And the politicians there decided that there wasn’t a need for it. That’s what they told them. And now I’m hearing, you know, you hear things like this from you that there’s such a demand they can’t even handle it. And then the politicians are saying, you know what, there’s not even a need for this. What do you think when you hear that? I don’t see it personally. Personally, like I see it and I don’t know what to make of it all the time. So like, so like in that case in particular, like, like in that particular case, he came back and said, well, we don’t know that like what you’re sending us is real child abuse material.

I said, that’s fine. What, what I can do is at least send you the data and like you could put analysts on it and like do your guys’s thing, right? Like, like we have a very good indication based on like the. You know what we, like, yeah, you know, you have the data, you know. Yeah, like, we know the site name, we know the. What they say say the pictures are. Exactly. And so. Yeah, so. So sometimes it’s very discouraging in a way that like, you know, like, we don’t even talk money, like, anything like that.

We’re just like offering like, hey, here’s what we have for you. And there’s like this like, weird, like, I wouldn’t call it even a pushback, even from, like, from exchanges. So, like, we reach out to, you know, your coinbases, cash apps, you know, finance things along those lines. Some of them are like, very receptive. Coinbase, for example, haven’t heard anything back from them at all. Some of them, like, once you get a hold of somebody and send them direct evidence, they’ll say, oh yeah, we’ll take this and give it to our partners, you know, And I’m like, well, hey, like that’s just a sample.

Like there’s a backlog of data that you guys can use. And in addition, in addition to that, we also have, we also have live data that you could avoid doing this pretty much every day, right? So, but I feel like there’s a disincentive of like there’s misaligned interest, right? So they make money off of sending cryptocurrency. So like, if you put something else in the way of that they’re dissentivized from, you know, like, they’re making money from the money that they send. If you put something, the message gets out that the criminals can no longer use reliably used Coinbase.

So they move to another platform. And a large percentage of their transactions are coming from this criminal network, so they don’t want to lose. And then the criminal network, because they’re tied to the politicians and the media in back ways, start spinning negative narratives on Coinbase or some other platform. Next thing you know, there it’s really hurting their business. It’s the same thing they do with journalists and everything. It’s this whole network of ways, why I’m censored, I can’t talk about this stuff. Because then they try to take you down. Good people get taken down. So I think that’s the whole way now.

But let me ask you, if you can collect this information, why can’t they? I mean, I don’t know the answer to that. Right. Like, I think what we’ve built is pretty special in a way that in fact, we have built something that, like, because we see it in the Data, right? So like we’re able to tell that like that historically and then even today, like, so we have some sort of advantage in the methods that we use, how we gather the sites that we use to go into something along those lines were able to make a difference.

It’s just like getting that out to the public and then putting that in the hands of the right people. Luckily and ironically, other governments have been way more receptive than the American government. And even yesterday one of the FBI contacts reached out and he was like, hey, just check it in, yada yada. And so I kind of like said, hey, you know, like everything’s good, you know. And I said ironically, like these other governments, whether it be like Australia, UK Euro poll, things like that, like, are more interested in this data than we’ve been able to get traction in the United States.

And I was like, which is great, but like when we, like as an American company, we want our, our biggest impact to be made in America, right? And so I was like, so frankly, like, it’s kind of like disappointing, but like, you know, you guys have a job to do and like, you know, you have so much resources, things along those lines. I, I understand that. So. But we’re here whenever you guys need us kind of kind of thing. So a quick break to share with you this wonderful product called Masterpiece. It is proven to taking out graphene oxide, aluminums, heavy metals, microplastics.

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So you could service. You could. You could really help the state police, every. The county sheriff office. You could help a lot of people. Yeah. And I think. I think at this moment in time, I feel like what it would be. So I’ve talked to some legislators, things like that, and he’s, like, interested in, you know, the data for Iowa, for example. And it’s hard for us because the data is so voluminous that, like, when he requests a certain, like, hey, like, send me information on the child, the csam material connections to the US Exchanges, and like, for me to send, you know, a document or CSV with 40,000 rows of data, you know, there’s maybe like 10 columns.

All the fields are like, different names. It’s hard to really explain and, like, get somebody’s mind wrapped around how. How big a problem this is. And so really you have to, like, shrink it down into something that they can chew on. And the other problem that, like, we find is that it’s jurisdiction. So there’s a lot of jurisdictional problems, whether it be even. Even on a federal level. We give them this data and yes, it’s US Exchanges to addresses, you know, whatever, but maybe those people live somewhere else and somehow they started an account at Coinbase in the United States or Block or some other company.

So even, even in that case, like, we have the address, but, like, we don’t have any of the jurisdictional data. So, like, for example, the guy in Iowa was like, can you give me the addresses of folks that live in Iowa? Like, tell me how big a problem this is in Iowa. And I was like, well, what you’d have to do is take all of this data to the exchanges, get back the pii, whether it be the, you know, name, address, you could even just get the city, state, zip code kind of thing would be like, the best, Best way to parse it.

But like, we. We would need to augment that data in a way that, like, we’re able to sort it by area or jurisdiction. And so that’s kind of like the biggest problem is that finding a judge or some sort of person that was signed off on something that was. That the scope is like, basically undefined, right? Like, you’re taking all this data and saying, I want the, you know, personal information for these folks. It’s a very big. And that makes sense. So is there a way, like, let’s say a county sheriff department office in, I don’t know, Iowa or Minnesota or some.

Some that who would be very interested to know what’s going on in their county. This child is about to be exchanged in my county, and I want to go and do something about it. Is there a way that you can get to that location data? You can send it to those, those sheriffs? So for, so for us, it’s very difficult, like, like I said, with those, like, because that’s the nuts. You could get to that. Yeah, yeah. So that’s the, that’s the, that’s the key is those like, real active, like hot leads we do, like I said, send to the FBI right away.

The, the major part that we could play a role is like the, the people that are consuming the material, the consumers of the child abuse material. And so I feel like if we can step in the way, like put some friction in between the, the child abuse producers and the people consuming it, maybe the funding dries up in a way that like, you know, less content’s being made, things along those lines. And, you know, it’s just, it’s. You would need a national supporter in order to get to the location and the jurisdiction area issues and get it straight to the sheriff.

So you need a national, a national office to support you that then can funnel down into the different areas of the country to get around this jurisdiction issue that you’re talking about. Correct, correct. So ideally you’d have, ideally you’d have like somebody at the federal level who takes all this data, get. Goes to all the exchanges, gets the data back, matches it to jurisdiction, and then sends it out to the jurisdictions. Like, hey, here’s your guys’s jurisdiction. Here’s, you know, Blackhawk county, here’s Polk county, here’s, you know, whatever, like in Iowa, for example, and be able to, then they can take the data and go action on it.

Say, hey, Bob over at whatever address, hey, what do you, what do you have going on on your computer, you know, or whatever the case, they make their case that, you know, this data is actually being sent to these sites. And then obviously then from there they would. I think the biggest reality that people need to understand is this, this option exists. They can do it overnight. We could have, if we get the right support, we could have sheriff departments across the country getting leads immediately. That could save lives and could overturn this human trafficking thing very quickly.

Yeah. Kind of data. Yeah. As long as they have the right support. Yeah, exactly. And I think the biggest thing for me is like, if they’ve made a huge case out of something like that, like, let’s say they, like the FBI has, you know, whatever, how many Offices, at least one per state or whatever the case. Like, let’s say they did this, they went to each state, each state got 10 or 15 people. And then for example, they said, hey, we arrested 500 people that consume child abuse material this week or month. If you’re somebody who’s like into things like that, you’re probably going to think twice about that’s right.

You know, consuming that, you know, huge chilling effect on top of arresting the people who are doing it. Exactly, exactly. And I think, and I think divvying it out to 50 states, 10, 20 cases per state or something like that, I mean, each state might not be a huge load, but like it would make a huge effect nationally. And just the statement as it’s happening, I mean, if you have it and it’s as it’s happening, I think there’s more you could, that this could work for as long as you could get around the jurisdiction issue, which you could get around as long as you have a national security sponsor, it sounds like.

And then they send it off to all the, the counties. You could be intercepting these child trafficking networks left and right. Yeah. Assuming they aren’t involved. Yes. Yeah, exactly. And that’s the other thing is like, I don’t know who is involved. You know, I mean, like I, and for me, we reach out to some of these players, like even like all these exchanges use different analytic companies, like I was saying, like they use it for compliance, make sure they’re not sending to, you know, like terrorist organization, things along those lines. And we’ve even reached out to, you know, chainalysis, trm, Elliptic crystal intelligence.

They, some have been reset. I would say half of those tell us who those companies are. So listeners understand. Yeah, so, so what happens is when you, when you’re at Coinbase or at some other exchange, when you request money to be sent off of that exchange to a wallet, the Coinbase is going to check that wallet address on these analytic companies and it’ll tell them whether you’ve interacted with other bad organizations, things along those lines. And this is where it’s confusing to me because in that case where I said where like Coinbase sends to person a, person A sends to child abuse material.

So obviously these companies are missing that data because otherwise Coinbase would not keep sending to person A, who keeps sending to the child abuse material site on a monthly basis, maybe. I mean, we talked about it earlier that if the criminal networks get, get wind that you can no longer use that particular exchange, they all move to another exchange. And it could be a massive market. You know, it is a massive market. So they know that. Yeah. And in fact, we do see a, a variation of the rate of usage based on exchanges. I would say the, the, the more offensive players would be somebody like Cash App.

I don’t know, like whether what the, you know, profile is of their regular consumer. But generally we do see a lot more activity from Cash App than, Than other exchanges. Also Binance, due to more inter. They’re more international. Binance US not so much. But even Coinbase, surprisingly very like reputable, great exchange, like good, you know, pr. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it’s not like they’re like, it’s not like they’re like. I don’t feel like they’re bad actors in a sense that they like are, are choosing to be, but I, I think they’re all the babies.

I’ve done enough. Yeah, that’s right. I’ve done enough. Epstein. Look at the Epstein case. All, you know, Jamie diamond, that, that his chase was really deeply involved with Epstein and all these financers are in the crypto world, are deeply involved with that Epstein crowd. So. Yes, and so it’s blatantly out there, guys. It’s out there. Everybody can see this is what’s going on. Now. Other countries, other governments have taken more of an interest in your material. That’s interesting to me and. Yeah, are you. Because this is the. Whether it’s a child and we want to help United States, but whether it’s a child in the United States or another country, it’s like, well, thank God a child’s being saved.

Or even scams, you know, these adults that are being scammed out of all their retirement savings and things. That’s, that’s. Those are legit issues too. And scammers tend to go in crowds, right? They tend to look for, run to run to the next scam that works. Yeah, yeah. And in fact, a lot of the, A lot of the scams have been changing. So like I said, we do work with the FBI quite a bit. And a lot of the frauds involve ATMs, the Bitcoin ATMs, things along those lines. And even cases like that, we work with another partner company who does.

He basically connects law enforcement agencies to other law enforcement agencies via like a crypto address. So like, if you’re in Dubuque, you know, you’re a cop in Dubuque and your old lady sent money to a certain address, if he puts that address in this system will let you know, like oh, you know, Sergeant so and so in Florida is working on a case with that same address and so the cops can connect, connect together. And his platform is called D Conflict. So if there’s any police out there that are working on crypto cases, deconflict. Very good guy.

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But there’s some good people too. There’s good people in the FBI too. You know, we can’t assume that all 60,000 people or whoever are bad. It’s just not how it works and. Right. And so we, it’s just refreshing that you are making a difference in a lot of these different areas because we know we can, we have the information to do it. And these other countries that are approaching you, are you approaching them? Are they approaching you or is it just the words getting out? And they’re like we know. So the last one is kind of a word of mouth thing.

So we reached out to a child, child organization, Thorne and they were like super nice. The guy was super nice, super interested in like kind of how we do it and things along those lines. I think he was ex Interpol or Europol, one of the two. And he had shared it with some of his government contacts I believe. And so we’re kind of. Yeah, because they notice something that’s going to help. Exactly Exactly. So now where if somebody is interested in talking to you and actually utilizing, you know, you got a sheriff office, you got different intelligence organizations and you know, let’s be honest, they’re, let’s say they’re their national organization in a country isn’t being very helpful.

But they need this data and you can provide it. How can they get to you and how can you help them? I know you have a website about what your website is and what the process is to meeting up with you and getting this in, you know, getting something started. Yes, our, so our base website, Blockscout AI, that’s our, our website. So from there we do have separate like, like brand websites which, which would be that DarkScout Intelligence intel dot com. And so that’s our Dark Scout intelligence operation. So that kind of feeds like the, the folks that are interested in just that like nefarious type of data.

So our Block Scout AI is just our basic research company. So we do like you know, mapping of cash apps, you know, any sort of like not just normal every like where the customers are, what the demographics and psychographics are. Yeah, like, and that kind of stuff. Exactly. So that’s like our base layer of data. So like if somebody comes to us and says like for example, somebody came to us yesterday and says hey, we want all of the ATM data from Australia and Dubai so we can like tune it to like jurisdiction or entity type things along those lines so we can go back to them and say hey, another, another case would be like oh, we want all of the, from Mexico, any sort of Mexican related cryptocurrency.

So then we tune it to just Mexico and so we can work with like Homeland Security things along those lines to do that. So yeah, so kind of interesting to have like a nice base layer of data that we work off of. And then that Dark Scout intel that kind of feeds into that, that’s all like the darknet stuff, the carding, the csam, the human trafficking stuff. So that feeds into that. And then the last piece that we do is actually kind of a new product that we just rolled out last week called Blockscout Law. And so we actually work with lawyers who mostly like, like we work a lot with the States like who, like let’s say your husband had crypto and he just got hit by a bus or you know like something and you knew that he had crypto but you don’t know where it is.

You might have one address if you plug in this ad. One address we will show you like where all he, excuse me, has like interacted with, got money from, sent money to. And so you and your lawyer could, you know, figure out where all the crypto’s at. Now do you also help with recovering somebody who scammed somebody out of. Because a lot of people are being scammed out of their cryptos and they get. Yes, they’re buying something and they’re losing 20 grand worth of bitcoin or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So a lot of times, like a lot of the lawyers that we work, we don’t work directly with, I guess, victims a lot unless it’s like a big case.

And like we can, we know we can really help because a lot of times, like again, there’s jurisdictional issues, you know, they send it via atm, but then the receivers in Nigeria, you know, like there’s not a whole lot that like can be done from a jurisdiction standpoint. So, so we do, we do that. But most of the time it’s like I said, lawyers who are either working with scam victims like that or like a lot of family law attorneys or divorce coaches even we work with to help spouses, you know, whose husbands are hiding money or things along those lines way, actually so they can get their money to their kids and stuff when they need child.

Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like if you’re dividing your assets, right, and your husband’s hiding a hundred thousand in bitcoin somewhere, like you have one address that you know, that he sent to one time. You could, you and your lawyer could find out like where he is hiding the money. So. Well, this is great. Okay, give us your website again and, and I think your top website send you to everywhere else too, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it’s just Blockscout AI. So thank you so much for joining the program and thank you for everything you’re doing.

And I think if, if people take your lead, this could, and I know they are, that’s why you’re here. This could really clean up a lot. Yeah. What we’re dealing with, I mean it just, and I, and I. What I love about this is, is people like you taking the initiative to find solutions and just getting it done. It’s excellent. Yeah, thank you, thank you so much.
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