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➡ Ellen, the host of Truth Teller Tales, interviews Lisa Schermer Horn, a renowned quantum healer and best-selling author. Lisa shares her journey of using an ancient Hawaiian forgiveness prayer called Ho’ Oponopono, which led to personal miracles and the writing of her best-selling book. She also discusses her challenging childhood, marked by undiagnosed learning disabilities and a difficult family environment. Despite these challenges, Lisa found her passion in creativity and art, leading her to a successful career.
➡ The text is about a person’s journey through life, dealing with childhood trauma, workplace abuse, and a search for self-identity. They found solace in art and achieved a significant accomplishment in their family’s business. Their life took a turn when they discovered metaphysical practices through a hypnotist, which led them to explore psychic development, mediumship, and other spiritual practices. This exploration helped them find their purpose and heal from their past experiences.
➡ The story is about a woman who, after a series of life events and encounters, embarks on a spiritual journey. She learns about shamanism, meditates with plants, and experiences miracles. Despite facing challenges and skepticism, she continues to grow and learn, even surpassing her teachers. Her journey leads her to a shamanic apprenticeship and firewalking, which despite her fears, she accomplishes, symbolizing her personal growth and resilience.
➡ The speaker shares her transformative journey, starting with walking on broken glass and fire, which made her realize her strength and potential. This led her to leave her marriage and push her boundaries, leading to personal growth and achievements like writing a book and being part of a movie. She also discusses her involvement in a local group advocating for various causes, and her encounter with a fellow activist. The speaker emphasizes the importance of self-empowerment and taking action instead of waiting to be rescued.
➡ The author shares her journey from self-doubt to becoming a best-selling author and speaker, attributing her success to saying ‘yes’ to opportunities and trusting in the process. She discusses her experiences with energy healing, alchemy, and overcoming adversity. She also mentions her upcoming projects, including a movie and a new book on Quantum Healing. The author emphasizes the importance of embracing change, surrendering to the divine, and maintaining faith in oneself.

Sam. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Truth Teller Tales. I’m Ellen and I am dedicated to interviewing those truth tellers and the warriors during this most incredible time to be alive. And it’s, it’s time to tell their stories. Today I am going to be talking to a person who is a renowned quantum healer and a best selling author. And her name is Lisa Schermer Horn. And I can’t wait to talk to her. So going to bring her on right now. Hey, Lisa, how are you? Oh, my gosh, I’m awesome. And I love your beginning. That’s really well done.

I don’t know who did that for you. Did you do that? My daughter. My daughter is the, the, the whiz at all those things. Yay, Emily. Thank you. For sure. So I’m super excited to spend a little bit of time with you. So first I really wanted to hear kind of who you are right now and what you’re doing. Oh, my gosh, I’m doing so many things, it’s crazy. Where to start? So right now we’ve just released a movie called Zero Limits with Joe Vitale. So a couple years ago, so I have a couple minutes in this movie.

And for people who don’t know who Joe Vitale is, there was a movie, the Secret, that was out about 20 years ago. And that movie launched his career. And so Joe Vitale ended up seeing an article in the paper about Dr. Hewlin, who was a Hawaiian therapist. And his story is really remarkable. It’s one about miracles. So he is also. Let’s say he does. They don’t talk about this, but he’s a basically Hawaiian healer who studied ancient Hawaiian arts. And he was an ex. Is an ex, was an expert in something called ho’, oponopono, which is a ancient forgiveness prayer that performs miracles.

So what happened was in the article, it talked about how there was a prison in Hawaii that had a section for the criminally insane. And what happened was they couldn’t keep people there employed. All the guards, all the therapists. It was. The energy was so crazy that no one wanted to work there. And they were desperate to keep someone employed as a therapist because they were going to lose their federal funding. They were going to hire him. And he said, I just want you to know I don’t work with my patients directly. I pray over their files.

Well, they thought he was nuts and didn’t hire him. And three months later, they were desperate and hired him. And over a short period of time, he ended up clearing out that whole area of the criminally insane. And they either went back into the regular prison population or they went into mental health facilities. Joe went on to write a book called Zero Limits. And about two years ago, I was approached because I was part of a zero limits group. And the reason why was I had heard about Ho’ Oponopono myself, and a friend of mine asked me to join this group.

And it’s all about really forgiving yourself and others. And you put names down, you make a list of names of people that you need to forgive. And I was doing this, and three months, and miracles were happening every week, every time we met. It was crazy. Wow. So three months after I started doing this prayer group, I got a call from someone I hadn’t spoken to in 14 years. And they said, I noticed things have changed between us. How can I have you back in my life? Wow. Yes. And I almost drove off the road, and I was astonished.

So. And it wasn’t even that they knew that I had forgiven them or I didn’t need to be forgiven by them. They had no clue. I was at peace. And once that happened, and I was at peace, a book that I’d been trying to write for 15 years, the title showed up in Every Belief is a Lie. It just came to me. And then I just started writing and writing and writing and the miracles were happening where this book flowed right through me and then became a best seller the first week it was up on Amazon.

Amazing. You know, and I just feel like that that was somebody with your credentials just to have things happen that presents such miracles just in your life that you can continue to observe with what you’re doing is. Is just a testament. Right. To what. What is happening and whether I think that feeling of inner peace is kind of the key. Yes. To it. So it’s just, I. I just love speaking to you about this and of. Of what you do and what you know, but I really want to now, just for a little bit, head back to kind of what makes you tick.

So when I want to hear about where you were born, your family life, just a little bit about that to start out with. Right. So I’m a Jersey girl. I grew up in. On the Jersey shore. And where were you born? I was born in Newark, New Jersey. Beautiful downtown Newark, New Jersey. But I grew up in an area called Rumson, near Seabright, Sandy Hook, that whole area. It’s. There’s a peninsula, there’s the river on either side and then the ocean. So I grew up on the water and upper middle class. But I Had learning disabilities that were undiagnosed.

So in kindergarten, so I couldn’t read, I couldn’t write, I couldn’t do my math. So in kindergarten everyone was doing their Alphabet and starting to read. I couldn’t and I was lost. And if you can’t do any of those things, then how do you progress to the next grade? So I spent every summer of my life in summer school in my childhood. And my self esteem was so low I was a poor student and grades were very important in my family. So there are a lot of consequences that went to not coming home with good report cards either.

And the older I got, the more I just felt like I was worthless and had nothing to offer. So as I got older and I always got this message, you’ll always have to be taken care of, right? Because you’re not very smart. You’re not going to be able to make it on your own. So you’re going to have to take care, you know, have someone take care of you. I did discover that I am an artist and that I was very creative. And I did get into Rhode Island School of Design, but my parents wanted me to go to business school and meet someone who would take care of me instead of going to art school.

And I didn’t have enough in me to say no and rebel, so I did. And I met my, my ex husband and I got married. I met him at 19, got married at 23, had two beautiful children, graduated with a business degree and marketing and went into the retail industry. Got totally abused in the fashion industry. It was a horrible industry. I cried every day. And by the time I was about 38, I had a nervous breakdown and I didn’t want to be here anymore and I knew I would. You’re hitting so many things I, that the.

This is just amazing. So I want to back up for a little bit. Just ask questions. So do you have any siblings? Yes, I have an older sister and a brother. They’re younger. And then were. Did they have any type of the, the learning disabilities, you know, My sister was a straight A student and she never got into trouble. I got in a lot of trouble. My brother was an average student. I don’t know if he had learning disabilities or not. When we never really talked about it, but for me it was a struggle. Like even today when I write, when I take notes, I see I write words backwards.

Like I put. I transpose letters within. Math was always everything. Just took me so much longer than everyone else. I just learned to overcompensate by doing things. Like even as a writer, I have to write things over and over and over and over again. I go through it over and over again and then I still miss things. And thank God for spellcheck because even with that, I still miss things. But it’s become a process for me. And so what do you, what do you mean? You know, what’s interesting because I start to see patterns with the people like you who just are just so amazing, you know, what you’ve overcome.

And so when you say you got in trouble as a, as a, as a kid, what does that mean? What did you do really? I really didn’t do much. My father had a lot of anger issues and control issues and a lot was taken out on me. So there was a belt, there was a, you know, and there was a buckle to the belt. So any little thing, laughing in the wrong way. There was just a lot. So it was really about controlling me and I gave all my power away and it was just relentless. Now every report card was not fun, just anything.

I have friends who actually there’s a lot of stuff that I don’t remember that friends have said to me. I remember staying over at your house and we were giggling at 5 o’ clock in the morning and the next thing we knew you were grabbed by your wrist and pulled upstairs and we just start screaming. There’s. And I have a cousin who said that he would never come to my house after an incident too. My sister and brother are completely in denial of those things. I don’t know if they don’t remember or whatever it is, but I don’t really talk about this too much because I have forgiven and it’s back.

But it’s important for people to know that this stuff from my childhood crushed me. I mean, really crushed me. And there are some people who get really rebellious and will, you know, stand up and speak up. I was not one of those kids. I was one of those that just, you know, like made myself invisible. Like you could see in pictures. I was kind of curled up in a ball. So the interesting thing is when I had my nervous breakdown that I literally cracked open and all of the sudden I was going from therapist to therapist to therapist and no one was able to help me, but I wanted to be the best patient.

So I would tell them all the good things that I was doing so they’d be so proud of me. In the meantime, I would leave their office and cry because I wasn’t feeling any better. And someone suggested, suggested that I go to a Hypnotist. And I was like a hypno. What? Don’t they make people quack like a duck? Like, I didn’t understand. But what I decided was I was desperate and I would try anything. So I, I went to her and I realized how quickly I started to shift. And she was also an angel messenger. So I didn’t know anything about metaphysical things.

I didn’t know about angels, I didn’t know about healers, nothing. And all of a sudden, through her, I was learning about mediumship, psychic development, angel re, you know, angel cards, all the old Doreen Virtue stuff. And I discovered that I was actually really good at. It was the first time in my life that something like you get this, you understand. Wow. Yeah, it was huge. Wow. And so before we really go into that too, I want to touch back because that, that’s amazing because obviously all those steps. Right, right. Led to that and, and you brushed over to the retail and that you were kind of brutalized with that.

So why, why was that a part of your life and kind of a, a journey you had to take there too? Well, if you think about this, you’re a giant magnet for whatever you believe. So if you believe that abuse is normal, then you keep attracting that. And if you don’t have a voice, you keep going into that. So the retail part wasn’t as bad. It was a lot of work felt more like slave labor compared to, you know, what I was being paid back then in the 80s. But when I went onto Fashion Avenue and things like we, I, I won an award for worst boss.

Literally, I, I want to get certificate for, for a, a contest I had verbal abuse from. The worst were the women. My female bosses who were older than me probably about 20 years, were so verbally abusive. And the SEC I worked for two different big major women’s whole manufacturers. The second one, this woman would berate me. I get into work at 7 o’ clock in the morning and I didn’t leave until 7 o’ clock at night. And one of the people who I was working with was leaving and she was giving me all of her clients.

There were small specialty stores, so she was talking to me about each client, each store. And my boss came in and start screaming at me for talking at 7 o’ clock in the morning. I mean, this was the kind of head games that I had to deal with. And then I had a buyer who overbought and went to, went over my head to say that I lied and put in all these orders. And back then you didn’t have computers. Like, I literally had to hand write all the store numbers and everything out by hand. So the worst was the guy who owned the company would come in.

We weren’t allowed to leave for lunch, and he would walk in, and we would be eating lunch at our desk, and he’d stick his hand in your food. So he would grab fries, he would take a bite of your sandwich, and he would go around, and everyone would just sit there, terrified. And then he would leave, and we would get up and throw out our food and order another round. And this happened on a regular basis, and no one said anything insane. It was insane. So I. I had gone to school for business and marketing, and I’d always been told, because I was creative, that I should be in the fashion industry.

So I thought that that was my purpose. So when all of that got pulled out from under me, I was like, who am I? What am I here for? So I went through that whole experience, went back to art, started taking just art classes on the side. That gave me some peace. I went then on to work for my father and grandfather’s company. They were repairing airplane engine components. And here’s the crazy thing. So someone who didn’t think they were smart, they handed me, who have no engineering experience whatsoever, a stack this big to get the FAA approval so that they could repair the airplane engine components.

I had no idea what I was doing. I was right out of college, and I had this huge stack, and I just. Literally, each page, every day, I would go through and read it and reread it. And so the gift of rereading and reading and reading. I crossed every. I dotted every. You know. No, dotted every. I crossed every T. But literally followed the instructions exactly. I submitted it. And an engineer walked up to me a couple months. I don’t remember how much longer. And he said, in all the years that I’ve been in this industry, I’ve never seen an approval on the first try.

He said, I can’t believe that you got this approved. And all of a sudden, I was like, okay, maybe there’s something more to me. But it wasn’t until I got into the metaphysical stuff during my breakdown, and magic started to happen in my life. And. And when. I mean, magic was. So this woman, Karen, who was the first, the hypnotist that I worked with, I said, I want to be like you. I want to study all the things that you studied. So she gave me the names of all the people that she had worked with. So the first person was this woman Pat, who was the local representative for the National Guild of Hypnotists.

And she trained me, but she was also a former nun, Episcopal nun. And she was. Had a very deep connection to Mother Mary and she was very psychic, but she kind of kept that quiet. And we were talking one day and she had her dowsing rods out and she could connect to spirit. And she would ask these questions for me. And we were sitting there one day and she said, oh, your spirit guide’s here. Six foot tall, Native American, high cheekbones. And I’m like, what? What are you talking about? I don’t know from any of this.

And she’s like, there’s a book he wants you to read. I’m like, he wants me to read a book? She. She couldn’t find it in that room, so she went to her other office to look for the book. And while I was sitting there waiting, the room was dark and. And a book illuminated across the room. I got up and walked across the room and pulled this book off the shelf, and it was Soul Retrieval by Sandra Ingerman. And she walked in and I was holding. And she said, yeah, that’s the book. She wasn’t even shocked the fact that she hadn’t even told me.

So I went home and I’m reading about all these indigenous people and things that they do. And I was like, I’m a Jewish girl from New Jersey who does this. So read the book. And I gave it back to her because I thought, this isn’t for me. This is crazy. This is for people who live in the jungle and live off the land. So I went through this journey of then going to take a metaphysical class of mediumship, of learning to speak to spirit. And the woman who I studied with, Rita, could literally see spirits. And so she would say, okay, there was a whole, you know, there were 10 of us in this, in this class.

And she’s like, okay, someone’s relative is here. Who can tell me who it is? Lisa. And then she’d say, stand up. And then you’d have to describe. And it was the most brilliant thing because. Because she could see. It would confirm what I was seeing. So. So I realized I wasn’t making things up. She was confirming what I was seeing. And that helped build my self esteem. So I was in her class and one day a woman walked up to me and said, I was at a holistic health fair, and there’s a woman there who’s a shamanic apprentice, who’s a shaman.

Shaman. And she’s looking for an apprentice, something Told me to give this to you. This is ridiculous. You know what this is? You know? So I thought, okay, this is now two. Two people who have told me. So I called her, and she said to me, you know, I’d like you. We had a long talk. She said, I want you to go home and find a rosemary plant, the herb, and I want you to sit with it for an hour and meditate and write down everything it tells you. And, like, you want me to talk to a plant? She said, yeah, I want to see if you can talk to a plant.

I was like, oh, God, I’m gonna go home, and my husband’s gonna think I’m crazy. So I sat and I meditated for an hour, and I wrote down everything that came to my mind. And I went back to see her the next week, and she said, okay, when do you want to start? I was like, I didn’t make this stuff up. But what I forgot was that woman, Pat, who I studied hypnosis with, she said to me, mother Mary’s giving me a message for you. She said, you’re going to Magigorje in five years. I was like, what? I don’t even know what that is.

She said, it’s a place in Bosnia that there was an apparition of Mother Mary who appeared in the 80s in front of, I think it was five children, and gave them messages. And she took those, and those messages were turned into books of telling about people who were having miraculous healings at that location. And during the Serbian. Bosnian war, the Serbian planes would fly over, and all of the sudden, the area would cloud up, and they couldn’t bomb it because they couldn’t see. And so there were all kinds of miracles. So the crazy part was my ex husband and I were coming up on our 20th wedding anniversary, and he had never been to Europe.

I love to travel. So I told him that you asked him if he would be willing to go to Europe, and he loved motorcycles. He said, if you’re willing to go on the back of a motorcycle, I’ll go. He said, you do your research, I’ll do mine. We both went off and went on the, you know, searching for, like, tours, and he came back from a weekend, and he said, I found our tour. Croatia, Slovenia, and Bosnia. He handed me the brochure, and five years to the exact month I was in Medjugorje at that location. And then there was a whole day of miracles that happened.

So when I talk about miracles, they happen all the time. We just have to be aware and Be open to them. We do. And that, that I, I think it’s going to be people like you that are going to help us get through this and will help people have the eyes to see and the openness to understand what you’re talking about, because we’re living in miracles. It’s just being able to, to see it and be open to it. And I, I just find, Lisa, your, your story’s so interesting. And I, everybody’s lives, you know, everything has to happen to get you to where you are and get me to where I am or whoever, you know, and, and as that child who had to do things three times over and then was kind of, you know, put in your place to then doing business school, which I’m sure you learned things that obviously helped you with the aviation, but you had to have that retail in between where you were again put in a situation of submission, but along with everybody else.

So you knew it wasn’t just you, it was, it wasn’t personally. And then you had that time to kind of in with your dad’s work, to be able to use your intelligence, innate intelligence to on your own, figure these things out. And which gave you a bit of a confidence in wings. But then you had to have the breakdown to go to the hypnotist then to be able to go to this next step. And it’s amazing, you know, how every step has to happen to take you where you are. But the difference is too, you were open to it, though initially, with each step you were like, this is nuts.

But, but something led you back and there was some seed in your head that kept you saying, all right, okay, I’m going to take this next step. And, and what do you think that was that, that continued, that allowed you just to go ahead and be open to that next step. Because that’s what I think where people stop, they’re not right into the next. Well, I, I, it took me a long time because. So I was married to a man who was not open to all of this metaphysical stuff. It freaked him out. He tried in the beginning and didn’t understand it, and it drove him crazy.

He hated it. So the more empowered and the more I did, the more it started to tear our marriage apart. So I knew at a point, and I was 19 when I met him, I knew at a point that I was going to have to choose between my work and, and him. Wow. And I was terrified of being alone and leaving my family. I had just watched a divorce of a friend. That was the divorce from Hell. And I promised myself I was not going to do that to my family. I was not. So I hung in there and stayed.

So there was one part of me that started soaring because I started studying shamanism. I went to Paris, Peru, I studied with shaman all over the world, and I went to energy medicine school. I couldn’t stop learning. I. I consumed and. And I wouldn’t even say it was learning, it was remembering. Because everything just clicked in so quickly that I was surpassing my teachers, which was getting my teachers upset because they’d say, I didn’t give you permission to do that yet. And I’m like, I didn’t need your permission. I’m doing it. And then it would create problems.

And so I would end up having to leave teacher after teacher after teacher, because I’d get what I needed and then move on. And then people would say to me, lisa, you already know. You already have everything you need. You don’t need to keep studying. Just start doing it now. And the more I did, the more joy I had and the more depression I had at the same time. Oh, yeah, it was, it was completely. And I tell the story. It’s in the first chapter of my book. It wasn’t until I was doing a shamanic apprenticeship for three years with a woman who studied a West African form of shamanism.

She was located in about an hour and a half from where I lived. So it was one weekend a year, a month. And we would go and do this apprenticeship. And when we graduated, she said, you know, I just got trained in fire walking and I can teach you to facilitate firewalking and all of the stuff that like Tony Robbins does, all he was trained by the same company, Sundoor. So I thought, okay, I have really no interest in firewalking, but I’m so depressed right now, I need something to pull me out of this. So Sunday we arrived, and then graduation was Saturday.

So I had a full week of. We started out with breaking arrows. Now this is the soft part of your neck. Putting the sharp part of an arrow here and leaning up against a board and breaking arrows. That was the first part. And each day I’m doing that. Every night was practice for a 40 foot firewalk on Saturday. So I hear this on Sunday. And now I’m having a nervous breakdown going, how am I going to walk 40ft of red hot coals? I’m going to die. This is all week long. So every night we’re doing seven to ten feet of red hot coals to practice, to get ready for our 40 foot walk and I’m making it through.

I’m not even acknowledging each accomplishment because I’m so much in fear about Saturday that I didn’t even acknowledge, okay, I’m breaking arrows. I’m walking on seven to ten feet a night. I’m going to be crying like, what am I doing? And then, then we started, we, we bent rebar. I have a 10 foot piece of rebar where you have two people that walk together and bent it. I have that rebar in the photos in my book of this giant piece of rebar that you can’t even begin to bend it now. I, I, I, I can’t explain it.

It just happened. Then we were walking four feet of broken glass. These are wine bottles that have been shattered and put down on a white cloth and walked across four feet of broken glass. I actually loved it. And people think I’m crazy. I loved that was my favorite part. And the reason why is because it’s the most present you’ll ever be. You have to basically be in your feet. Like you have to feel every single shard of glass and you can use your feet to move them around and anticipate. And it was such a metaphor for life of being present in my body, being aware.

It was my favorite part of the week. Everything else was. So when it was, it was time for the Saturday the fire. We built it together, spread it, raked it out, and I’m looking at this going, nfw, not happening. And one by one, the rest, all my classmates are walking it. And I’m just in awe. And I’m like, I’m gonna fail because everyone else is gonna do it but me. And the fellow who was on the other side of the rebar with me when we bent it, he walked up to me and he said the most powerful things.

I, to this day, I will never forget him. He asked me, how much fire have you walked this week? I said, well, 7 to 10ft. He said, you’ve already walked over 40ft of fire. This should be a piece of cake. Now go. And a switch went off in my head and I just walked and I finished it. I did not scorch my feet. They were hot. I mean, they were warm. I, I drove home with flip flops and the air conditioner on my feet, but they weren’t burnt. Wow. And I got home and the next day I started a conversation about leaving our marriage.

Because at that point I felt that if I, if I can walk on 40ft of fire, I can do anything. And that was the beginning and that was nine years ago. Wow. And how is that turn of events been for you? You know, I never want to tell people to break up a family because I miss my, my kids were in college at that point and graduating. Yeah, I miss my family. I don’t miss my marriage, if that makes sense. I don’t miss my relationship, but I miss the, the archetype of having my children together. It also forced me to grow up in ways that I never had.

I had to push myself beyond my own limits. I don’t. If I had stayed married, I never would have written a book. I never would have been part of this movie, Zero Limits. I never would have pushed myself because I was just giving my power away, disempowering, waiting for someone to rescue me. And, you know, it’s such a metaphor for what’s going on in the world that people are waiting to be rescued instead of actually stepping out. And you will empower yourself so much more. You, you take steps to either get involved in local government, speak out, either through podcasts, you know, whatever it is you need to do to make some difference in this world.

Absolutely. I love that, Lisa, because that’s, that’s, I mean, but, but how cool is it, too? All those events in your life have led to now, in the greatest time to be alive, where all those things that you’ve learned and studied and been through are going to be needed now. I mean, that’s where I, I, I know it’s a God. It’s because it’s crazy to think how all of this leads to now for so many people. Right? And that’s what it just, it just, it blows my mind. And you now, you’ve been through the time, and you have, and I mean, you’ve, you’ve had those nine years to let all those things happen to lead you to right now.

Don’t you agree? Oh, totally. Like, I am so grateful for every single thing. My childhood, everything, because that gave me the strength, like, I have peace. People who say to me, lisa, how do you have the power and strength to deal with this kind of pain or whatever you’re going through? I’m like, it’s a piece of cake at this point in my life, you know, so every single situation that I had helped formulate who I am. But here, the crazy part. So when, when Covet first started, I’ll never forget watching the news and I heard the word Covid, and I feel like God put this, like, key word into my brain as kind of like a memory, like, to snap Me out of the matrix.

It’s the only thing I can explain because as soon as I heard the word, I said, not a thing. I was like, what? Not a thing. It’s not real. Not a thing. I kept hearing voices in my head. And the more I saw, I was like, people are going to figure this out really quickly. People are going to know that this is not real. And then they didn’t. And I. And I live in the state of Vermont, and the state of Vermont, to be. To really understand this is very progressive. Progressive. It’s. It’s Bernie Country. They even had their first communist mayor of Burlington.

And. And in. In. Was it in local voting, you could not be a legal seat citizen. They actually legalized it for illegal immigrants to vote in Vermont. And I kept seeing it, and I mean, this was all not legal. So there were a group of us that started going to the state capitol, and we were all disjointed, and everyone was lonely and scared. And we’re like, what’s going on here? A friend of mine said, let’s form a group. Let’s form a group. And so we formed a group, Vermont stands Up. And we were taking turns at each other’s houses.

I probably once or twice a month would have people at my house, and my living room got bigger and bigger, and we started to say, what do people need? Do you want to get involved politically? You want to get involved in schools, mask mandates, vaccines? Do you want to get involved in spiritual healing? So we kind of offered a little bit of everything, and the group started to grow, and it grew to about 1,000 people. Wow. And during that time, I was watching a show on, I think it was Rumble. I don’t know if it was YouTube, a fellow named Michael Jaco.

And Michael Jaco was interviewing Kevin Hoyt. Now, Kevin Hoyt was running for governor in the state of Vermont, but none of us had ever heard of him. And this is where the corruption came in. Because not one. One media outlet, not one would interview him, which is illegal because he literally officially ran for office. And so they would intentionally leave him out of anything. Anytime there was the. The governors, when they would do debates, he was not welcome. They literally wouldn’t let him. Kevin videotaped himself with the editor of the local television station or the manager saying that he was not going to let him on.

And. And so because Kevin was literally going around showing the corruption with all the judges and politicians that they were creating these nonprofits with matching ein numbers, which are business tax ID numbers, and showing that they were the same. So they were funneling money from these nonprofits and taking them for themselves. And they’ve tried to kill him. I’ve been. So what happened was with Kevin, I saw him on the show, and he said, look, I get thousands of emails and people contact me. So if you try and contact me, I try and get back to as many people as I can, but I can’t promise that I will.

I. On a whim, I decided to email him. And in. In the. In the top, I just wrote, you know, I’m from Vermont, Fellow Vermont. He emailed me instantly and said, we need to talk. So I told him my story and. And he called me and he said, I. He lived in southern Vermont. I live closer to northern. It’s like two and a half hours from each other. And he said, I’m actually going to be in northern Vermont driving south on Sunday. Maybe we can meet up. And I said, well, I have plans in New Hampshire, so I’m going to be driving north.

And he’s like, well, if we happen to meet, then we’ll meet. This is the crazy part. I’m driving and I get a phone call. Where are you? And I said, I’m outside the Montpelier exit. He said, so am I get off the exit? Of course I get off the exit. He’s coming from the other direction. He’s like, do you have a white car? I said, yes. He said, I’m right behind you. And then I’m like, do I have a stalker on my hand? You know, it was creepy. I didn’t know him. We stopped at a cafe in a public place, and this is when masks were mandated.

And we both walked in without masks and sat down and we just had a conversation. And I said to him, I’m writing a book in every belief is a lie, and I would love to get someone to endorse it. Do you know Dr. Christiane Northrup? Because she was my inspiration. She was on Instagram every day helping us through. Through this, giving advice. He said, you know what? I don’t, but let me see what I can do for you. He then called me two days later, and he said, I’ve done one better for you. I got you on Michael Jaco show with Dr.

Northrup. Oh, my gosh. And we had a blast. And at the end of the interview, Kevin asked Dr. Northrup if she would write an endorsement for my book. And she said yes. And she doesn’t live that far from me. So we’ve met, we’ve spoken on the Same stages together. And she’s now just written the forward to a new book that I’m working on about Quantum the Quantum and Quantum Healing. But this is where I tell people from going from this little girl who was hunched over and didn’t believe in herself to a time in my life where I, I’m a best selling author, have a podcast just in a movie with Dr.

Joe Vitale and all of these incredible things in my life and traveling the world and studying and leaving a marriage of 29 years and overcoming a lot of adversity. I’m like, yeah, how did this happen? I still walk around and pinch myself and I’m probably the happiest I’ve ever been in my entire life. Well, that is so amazing to me. And, and that’s what I think your story is so important because there are other people that have struggles that can’t seem to get out of their head to be able to get those, the next move that you were able to do throughout your life.

And I do feel like because we are in this awakened period, it’s not just awakening in the world, but it’s awakening within ourselves. Right? And, and you are in, you are in the time of your life where you’re going to be the most to be able to help people. It’s, it’s just am. It’s amazing to me. It’s just amazing how complex and simple God makes it for us. You know, for, for all of this. And one last question I wanted to ask you. When did you feel, was it Covid or when did you feel that your spirituality just really started to, to, to bloom and, and just became a forefront in your life? You know, it’s all come in stages because I remember when I first started, I, I learned Reiki and I thought this is the be all, end all.

Like, this is amazing. Then I, well, I actually, I started with hypnosis, then I went to Reiki. So every time I added something, I’m like, this is so cool. So I embraced every stage. And then I studied energy medicine and then I went to school. There’s a whole long story of how I channeled an Egyptian goddess met, who brought me to a place called Dom and Cure in Italy where I studied alchemy. I mean, there’s so many miracles that have happened in my life because I said yes, where I should have said no, because I was going through divorce, had no money, had no right to travel to Italy, and, and I got this message loud and clear that I needed to go.

And I said a Prayer. And I said, all right, if I’m supposed to go, let the money appear. And suddenly there’s a check in the mail for the exact amount of money from someone who had owed me money years ago and was just paying it back. And so this is. This is where the saying the yes and trusting, because I fractured two bones in my knee and did some damage skiing and I was unable to ski two years ago. And then I said to myself, I’m not going to spend another cold winter in Vermont if I can’t ski and look at those three ski mountains every day when I drive down, you know, my road.

So I just made that statement and then didn’t do anything. Now, if you listen to the secret they said, you know, or all this law of attraction, you have to take action. I did not. At that moment, by November, a friend of mine who I hadn’t spoken to in five years, who I knew in high school, contacted me and said, I want to know if you would like to come to Mexico with me for a week. I have a friend who has a timeshare, there’s an extra bed. And I was like, okay, I’ll go for a week.

Then I spoke to another friend who does house sitting around the world, and she said to me, if I find house sits around Mexico, would you stay longer? And I said yes. One week turned into three months. I kept changing my flights and we never knew week to week where we were going to stay. But magnificent houses kept showing up. New people who we became close. They’re like my family. And I’m invited back again this next year. But even to a point of being part of this movie, I got invited to Prague to the. The. One of the openings of the movie in the Czech.

Czech Republic. Wow. She said it was on the 20th of September. Then I got it invited to something In Ireland, that’s the 20th of September. And I was like, oh, I wish I could go to both. It would be really wonderful if I could go to both. I suddenly get notified that the event in Prague gets moved to the 18th and it’s $75 to fly from Prague to Dublin. Wow. Yeah. And then the movie. There’s a film festival for the movie that is in the south of Spain that I just got asked if I wanted to come to.

And it’s right after Ireland. And I’m like, if my logical brain stepped in and really tried to plan this out and say, how are you going to manage this with my life? I would say no. But I keep saying yes because I trust and surrender to that. And that is the key is getting out of your discomfort and surrendering to the divine. Absolutely. I love that. That just made my day. And that’s such a great message that you and so many other people are going to put forward to those that just don’t, can’t see that right now.

That, that, that, that, that’s the key for, for all of us. So I, I can’t thank you enough, Lisa, for taking the time out of your busy day to hang out with me. But I, I, I just feel your story is so important and it, it really makes us think that all those things that happen in are, are have to happen for us to be where we are. And to your point, you know, if you, if you have the openness and the ability to say yes instead of no. And that inner faith, it, it just leads to so many wonderful things.

So I’m just so grateful for you being here. And are there any last things that you want to let people know where they can find you? I have a scroll going across the bottom. Anything else that you would like folks to. We say goodbye. Yeah. So most of my work is done online and there’s a monthly healing that I do with a woman named Honey C. Golden. If you’re not familiar with her, she’s an amazing healer. And the two of us do a healing. As a matter of fact, mine is Today we do 12 o’ clock and 4 o’ clock Eastern Standard Time.

And it’s, there’s, there’s a link to it, Balancing body and soul. Soul.com and it’s a subscription. It’s $44. You can come to both or you can come to just one. And people have these miraculous healings. They’re having incredible physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. People are shifting in big ways and they report in each, each month. And that’s been a lot of fun. If people are looking for ways to kind of remove blocks and, and need more one on one, that’s where the work that I do on an individual basis and you can get me on lisamindset.com and our movie is coming out September 25th.

0 limits movie.com There’s a bunch of premieres across the country and then it’ll be available on Amazon and Apple TV September 25th. So I’d love for you all to see this movie. It’s pretty remarkable. Spreading the, the word of the ho’ oponopono and forgiveness. Absolutely. And I, the preview was amazing actually to watch. And then of course your book is available on Amazon. Yeah. Too, which is just amazing. So, Lisa, thank you so much for. And it’s just so cool to meet you and spend time with you. And what a time to be alive, right? Oh, exactly.

Even though there’s all this craziness, everything that they told us was going to happen is happening. Yeah, it is. Everything. How cool is that? It’s so cool. It’s so cool. So thank you, Lisa, and I’m sure we’ll talk again soon. Thank you. Bye. Bye.
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