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➡ Dave Hodges, the host of the Common Sense Show, discusses various topics including the oppression of individuals, the banking system, and the importance of planning for economic changes. He introduces his guest, Dr. Juliet Engel, who shares her tragic story of being part of the MK Ultra program, a secret CIA operation that started in the 1950s. Dr. Engel explains the origins of the program, its connection to Nazi scientists, and its focus on mind control. The conversation also touches on the potential involvement of MK Ultra in modern events and organizations.
➡ The text discusses the speaker’s experiences with MK Ultra, a secret psychological warfare program run by the US Army. The speaker was introduced to the program as a child and was trained alongside notable figures like Charlie Manson. The program involved traumatic experiences and the use of LSD, which led to the speaker developing dissociative identity disorder as a coping mechanism. The speaker eventually escaped the program and has since been trying to navigate life with the effects of the disorder.
➡ The text discusses the experiences of individuals who were part of the MK Ultra program, a secret CIA operation that involved mind control and programming. These individuals were forced to commit violent acts, but they were not inherently violent – their actions were a result of their programming. The text also mentions the struggles these individuals face in remembering their past due to programmed amnesia. Lastly, it discusses the involvement of various organizations in the MK Ultra program, including the CIA, Mossad, and various secret societies.
➡ The text discusses a man’s father who worked in intelligence for the Navy and later with German scientists on reverse engineering and theoretical physics. The man also mentions a woman who he believes was trained under the MK Ultra program, a secret CIA project focused on mind control. He suggests that this program has influenced various sectors, including the government and pharmaceutical companies, and is linked to the deep state. The text ends with a discussion about infiltration in the government by foreign powers and the potential recruitment of the man into a similar line of work as his father.
➡ The speaker believes they were being considered for psychological operations work, but their father prevented it. Initially upset, they now agree with their father’s decision. They found the conversation enlightening and plan to continue it later. They express gratitude to their host, Dave, before signing off.

One. Hey, everybody, Dave Hodges here, host of the Common Sense Show. Want to welcome everybody to the show. We’re freeing America, hopefully one enslaved and hopefully one enslaved mind and soul at a time, defending God, family, country. And we have a special place in our heart for the oppressed. And we’re going to be talking about someone who is deeply and viciously oppressed. And we’re going to get to that in just a minute. First, I need to let you know we have one sponsor for the show, and that is Noble Gold. And if you trust this banking system with what’s going on with oil now that we started the war again and all that nonsense going on, think again.

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877-646-5347. And thanks to Noble Gold for sponsoring this broadcast. Well, we have a, a really interesting guest, Dr. Juliet Engel. And I gotta tell you, this is a such a compelling and, and dramatically tragic story, but I think we’re lemons turned into lemonade here. And we’re going to get into MK Ultra sex trafficking and what’s going on with the hearings in D.C. and we’re going to try to get all this in, in 40 minutes. And if we don’t, I promise you we’ll come back and finish. But I think we’re going to get a lot done here in this interview.

Juliet, so good to have you on the show. And I, I read this and I got to tell you, it gave me pains in my heart to read this stuff. It always does. And these people will someday have their just desserts because the Bible says better to tie a millstone around your neck than harm a child. And you definitely got harmed. And I think maybe to start out with this, just walk us through the tragedy that happened when you were betrayed by your own father and what led what happened there. Thank you for mentioning the Soul, because we don’t consider that enough.

That’s our link, that’s our saving connection. I’ll give you a few minutes of background. So what happened to me makes sense. I was born in 1949. I’m 77 years old. I’m one of the first people into the MK Ultra program. And the program itself started in Nuremberg, Germany, with a group of American delegates who later became founding members of the CIA. And amongst them were five of my own uncles who were all German speakers. And they met with the scientists, the Nazi scientists from the concentration camps and reviewed the inhuman experimentation that had been done in the camps which violated every law, every future limit on experimentation that they were about to write.

And they realized that they’d never have this opportunity again to torture, murder, rape, force, sterilize, and also breed human beings as they had in the concentration camps. So instead of hanging the scientists, which they should have done, instead of destroying all of that research, there were rooms full of. And they decided to bring the scientists to the United states. They brought 1500 of them to Huntsville, Alabama, and they saved all of the research. This is five of my own uncles were highly involved in this project, which is Project Paperclip. They were bringing the Nazi scientists specifically from this project.

They were brought from other projects, and they were involved in the formation of the CIA through Gellen, who was Hitler’s head of Secret Service. But I’m focusing only on the concentration camp research which became the foundation for MKUltra. MK stands for Mein Kampf. That was drilled into us from the beginning. From 1945 to 1947. They were bringing the scientists over to the United States and relocating them around the country. They brought their families, they gave them new identities, and. And they set them up in research facilities. And then the founders of MK Ultra, which was started in 1953, they recruited Sidney Gottlieb, who was in the CIA.

And he was known as the chief poisoner of the CIA. And his specialty was bioweapons. So they brought him on board to become the head of. He was also a Zionist. They brought him on board to be the head of MK Ultra. And then they brought staff from various institutions. And because I was one of the first in. In 1955. So it had only been going for two years when I was put in it. So I actually met all of these people. Let me ask you a few questions here, a point of clarifications here. Was this born originally out of Mengele’s work? Oh, very much so.

In fact, I thought so. Yeah. Yeah. And it actually started before Mengele. It was started in the 1930s when the Germans created a whole Division, whose name I always forget, Aber Vende or Aberdeen, that was tasked with going out and collecting any information they could get on breeders. They wanted to breed the Ubermensch. They wanted information about secret societies, they wanted legends, they wanted magical objects. So like raiders. The Lost Ark is so good because it was true. The eugenics movement. And it came here too. It came to our country too? Oh, absolutely, yes. It stayed.

I’m familiar with this next name because I’m a therapist, originally by trade, and I used to teach psychology. I’ve taught everything from ninth grade to postgraduate. And the name Jolly west kept coming up in research about sleep deprivation from POWs. But then I found out he was in the CIA. Mind control related, MK Ultra. Did you ever come across Jolly West? I wouldn’t know because I was a small child. Okay. But I. I did know the reason how I got into the CIA or into this program is that my uncle was one of the. My mother’s brother was one of the founders of the national security agency, the NSA, which was also founded in 1952 or 1953.

And so when the MK Ultra program started up as Project Monarch, which involved children, all these people put their own children in. And so they took their oldest children and put us in the program. They did testing on us. They wanted the brightest, they wanted the future leaders. They wanted to turn us into performers and broadcasters. And we were going to be the big thing and they were going to control our minds. And I have one more question. You mentioned Huntsville, Alabama. Now we think of MK Ultra as being CIA related, using army resources. But Huntsville, Alabama, that’s regional headquarters for the FBI.

So does this mean they were involved too? When did the FBI get founded? I don’t know. Oh, way back in the 20s with James. Yeah, well, that might be why they picked it. Because the CIA wasn’t formed until 1947, so it hadn’t been formed yet. So maybe they were using the FBI, the FBI facilities. Go. I’m sorry, go ahead. I’m gonna say it’s pretty. It’s well documented that they came in, they ran Project Paperclip, they brought them in through. Through Huntsville. That’s interesting. You know what else is interesting about Huntsville? And this is kind of a digression.

I’ll stay there briefly. But Ryan Matta is a researcher who found IP addresses that researched figures connected to Charlie Kirk and his situation. And out of the research for the IP addresses originally came from Israel. But on September 9, the night before Charlie was killed, Huntsville FBI regional headquarters researched Tyler James Robinson do you think that MK ULTRA could be involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk? Oh, absolutely. I thought that MK ULTRA was involved with the TPUSA from the beginning. Yes, absolutely. It’s got all the hallmarks and it doesn’t need to be an international operation.

I mean they could be run completely domestically. I’m going to tell you this observation and I’m saying this as a mental health professional. I had the occasion and I don’t want to be too detailed because it’ll give up people who are close to me and I don’t want them to get in trouble. But I’m sitting in a room and there are some TP USA people there and some, some of the central figures and I’m just this obscure person sitting there with a friend who invited me and this is post Charlie Kirk. And the way they talked and the way they became so overly emotional against Candace Owens and anyone who didn’t believe the official narrative.

It was like cult like behavior I was observing and I’m saying this as a mental health professional, their eyes changed and became fixated, their body language was rigid. All the hallmark signs you see as someone’s putting into one of those trance like phases that you look at with cult entrance. And so that’s why I asked you that question. But you think they permeated TP usa? Because I have that feeling too, yes. And, and in my own childhood from 1961 to 1966, as a, as a early teenager I was at the Presidio and at, specifically at Fort Point, which is.

Presidio is a star fort in the northwest corner of San Francisco. Fort Point is the point of the star fort and it, it extends out underneath the Golden Gate Bridge and it’s the structure, it’s the only reason they could build a bridge on that section because it is absolutely solid. What was going on at Fort Point is that that was the head of psychological warfare for the US Army Air Force and then for the US army. My classmate, if you could call it that, in MK Ultra at Fort Point were people like Charlie Manson and he was 10 years older than me.

My contemporary was Michael Aquino. We were in the same group. Phil Spector was, was always around and there are others who are still alive that I hesitate to mention who became later, like Michael Aquino, involved with tpusa. So just seeing those people on their board said to me that this is an extension of what was going on at Fort Point being transferred to Huachuca or wherever they are. Well, yeah, there’s controversy here with Erica Kirk, her Ex boyfriend Cabot Phillips and Brian Harpel, the head of TPUSA security at the time Charlie was killed, that they were at Fort Huachuca two and three days before the assassination.

And this is where they do a lot of the intel training. MK Ultra would not be a secret on that base. And they denied it. But the head of their media says, oh, some fort in Tucson. Wait a minute. He had two brothers that are stationed there. So they’re all lying about their involvement. And Fort Huachuca is a central piece. Did you know Erica Kirk was there giving EMP presentations to people like William Casey, then the director to the CIA? Yes, and she’s very much someone that strikes me as having come through the MK Ultra program and unlike me, who escaped, who graduated.

Well, tell me about that. Became a super agent. How long were you held in MK Ultra and how did you ultimately escape? Well, I was sold into it in a ritual kind of ceremony when I was six years old, which is typical for girls. They determined that the best time to start traumatizing girls is the age of six, boys age seven. And it was my father. I thought we were going on an outing. I wound up drugged and face down against a black satin sheet, being attacked from behind. And as I was calling out to my father, he turned to me and said, just be quiet.

This is what I raised you for. And I had to watch him to take the money. They were counting it into his hand as I was being molested. And, and, and, and that was. That was one of those points in my life where six years old, I had to make the decision, you know, it was either too hopeless to go on or I was going to fight like hell and, and live through this. Obviously I chose the fight. Seems to be my nature. But the, the process of walling things off had already begun. And that’s the, the dissociative identity, they call it associative identity.

I was going to bring that up when you. It’s not really a disorder, it’s a defense. It is, you’re absolutely right. People will know this as multiple personality disorder. The professional name is you accurately identified as DID or disassociative Identity Disorder. But what we know, and I think the audience needs to hear this, and I’m surprised that you’re not affected by this. When you get someone under the age of eight, where fantasy thinking goes away at the age of eight, kids that are under the age of eight, that are abused, are able to fantasize, it’s a different person happening to it.

And this is they start creating alter ego personalities that take the abuse and then they can shift back and forth. And you’re right. It’s a defense mechanism. And did you have issues with. Did, given the age you went into this in? Oh, yes. And I still do. And my book, Sparky Surviving Sex Magic is all about that is what it was like being. I picked the age of 10 because that’s another pivotal age. I was starting into puberty. We were living in the worst possible circumstances. I was being molested and traumatized and having my blood drained and, and, And I created Sparky.

As you can see, the little Scottish kid maybe in the picture, I became a Scottish warrior because I am from the clan MacGregor and. And started fighting and really that, that. So I created my own character which I could not have done without the dissociative identity blockages because I could block everything out. I’m still really good at it. Blocking everything. And. And I suffer, I think, from the effects of the identity disorder because to get to one aspect of my life, like if we started Talking about my 20 years running an underground railroad in Russia, I couldn’t get to it like directly.

I have to go down, across, up the other side. I have to go find it. It’s like everything is tucked in libraries and a lot of the doors are locked because they’re too awful to look at. But so. So in a way, for I am convinced that I was being trained as a honeypot scientific spy. Like a Vril. They call them Vril V R I L Vril girls. I was going to be a performer, a singer, a honeypot. And I was going to go seduce people with. In science. So. And that fact that you can compartmentalize and be different people.

You know, I speak Russian with no accent. That’s. That’s a function of being able to move into another part of my own head. And so I think it’s. It’s. It’s going to take people who don’t have the. The programming because I don’t think it ever comes out to help figure this out. So far, they haven’t even believed it. Are you still haunted by disassociative identity disorder today? I have it. Yeah. I have to work around it. It’s. For instance, one of the things that survivors often have is dyslexia. And it’s left right up, down dyslexia. It’s programmed into us.

The beginning of every session began with a disoriented, disorienting spinning on a wheel or being flipped upside down. And being told there is no light, there’s no dark, no life, no death, no up, no down, only green. That’s where it ends. Green, because when you release your soul, it leaves in a puff of green. But that’s to disorient, dissociate, make it impossible for you to hold on to any reality so that you live in a dissociated state, which I did most of my childhood. I became the alternative personalities. I became Sparky. And then I actually turned into Sparky.

When I escaped at the age of 17, I forgot it all. I mean, I escaped from a. It was a promotional record promotion in place called Murphy Hot Springs, which is now called Esalen. It’s now a swanky resort near Monterey. But back then it was a hot spring in a cornfield with an old barn. And they were bringing in Charles Manson. Drove a bus full of what they called us were the party favors to the farm. And then they flew in record executives with helicopters and they would have concerts at night. And our job was to get the record producers on the ground.

There were no chairs. Everybody was sitting on the ground naked, doing something they shouldn’t be doing, high on LSD and compromised. LSD was the core of MK Ultra. They were importing it by 1953. They were importing it by the ton. And given what they’ve admitted to using it on, that doesn’t begin to explain how much LSD they were importing. And the fact is they were using it on hundreds and hundreds of kids and using it to develop things like Prozac that they could get the entire population, you know, dumbed down on. Wow, that’s. Yeah, I’m well aware of the LSD part.

You know, the part that surfaced publicly with MK Alter was not what you were involved in, but how they used it on soldiers. And that’s what got released through Congress. But, well, there’s, it’s a. They’re starting, there’s a very big super soldier program that they’ve just skimmed the top of because like I, I was in a spy program, clearly. And in fact, later in my life I’ve carried out some of the missions. But they’re, they’re like, why am I here? Why am I doing this? Because it was 30 years too late to be in some of the, the places I went to.

Like, I actually got to the communication headquarters of the Soviet Union and into their secret bunker, but they were gone. So just a lot of people saying, well, why do you want to see this place? That’s when I was living in Moscow. But the super soldiers were. There’s dozens of them who are in survivor groups right now trying to deal with the fact that they committed murder, Assassinations, mass killings, all legal, on behalf of the army and other U.S. agencies. But they were forced to do it by their programming. This isn’t who they were, who they are.

So we’re just tipping the top. But I think the people they chose. I was disappointed with the hearings at first. First, because you’re talking about the congressional hearings on MK Ultra with Luna. Okay. Yes. I was glad they were going to have the hearings, but then they canceled all the survivors testimonies and said they were afraid to testify and all that. But dozens of us that come forward and can reasonably testify without risk. We’re not afraid of the risk. So that I was disappointed. But then I listened to the testimony and I thought that Kinser and o’ Neill were very good choices because they were able to say things that we couldn’t.

We couldn’t say these things without extreme danger to ourselves. And also because we all have the did. We’ve all got the dissociative identity working in our minds. We probably couldn’t even approach some of these things. You mentioned that you couldn’t say things. Do you believe Kathy o’ Brien was murdered? Kathy o’? Brien? No. I just talked to her this morning. Okay. Because that rumor is out there. Okay. I. Oh, goodness. Oh, they tried to murder her. She was just the object of a boutique tornado strike. Exactly. That’s. Yeah. And she survived that. Yeah. There’s someone spreading rumors and I.

I didn’t think they were true either. That she didn’t survive and it was a hit because she was talking too much. But you’re right about the threat. I’ve heard this from other MK ultra survivals. When you said you got out at 17. I want to look at that a little bit. And you said you didn’t remember anything. Do you think they used programmed amnesia on. On you and others so they won’t remember their past deeds? Consistently, yes. And it was something. And I talk about it in Sparky. It’s something they taught us way in the beginning.

It was. Is it after you’re brutalized, after you’re. You know, you’re not allowed to go out and talk about any of the things that have happened to you. And you. You learn to run a little vacuum cleaner inside your mind and vacuum up all the. All the memories so that no one can see them, so that they’re deeply hidden. And then when you start to remember because you do inevitably start to remember. The first thing you get is a. Is a. An unaliving program. You are told to unalive yourself because you are worthless. I mean, you actually start hearing the voices.

Every time I discover something new, like, I just really got memories back about Fort Point, and then suddenly my father’s voice comes in like, this is what I raised you for, and you’re no good, and you’re just a waste of space, and why are we feeding you? And on and on and on. Wow. It’s like, what? I’m 77 and I’m still hearing this garbage. Yeah, but it was formative. These are flashbulb memories that won’t go away. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the Batman movie theater massacre that took place in 2012, by the way. It happened a mile and a half from where I grew up.

And I think the guy’s name, last name was Holmes. And here’s what’s interesting. He does his deed, and then he’s confused. He actually approached a cop in a cop car and asked where he was at. And I don’t. Do you know what his father did for a living? I found this out through relatives. Do you know military or. Well, yeah. Air Force psyops in San Diego. And our cousin’s kids went to high school with the shooter. That fits. Fits the profile perfectly. It sounds like his father was like your father, and I don’t know that that’s true, allegedly.

But the story reminds me of that. Yeah. And his is like the super soldier. They were programmed to do this kind of killing. I wasn’t. And I had terrible survivor’s guilt just from the fact that I would be used in Saturnalias. And they divided us up early. The kids of the CIA, high officials, high level military, all that were called. We were called the goats, and everybody else was the sheep. And the goats would lead, and we were the lucky ones, and the sheep would die. And that was the introduction to the whole idea of genocide and some people worthy of living, but most people not.

And I was being used in black masses and Saturnalias, and I get into some of that in Sparky, but I deliberately don’t put a lot of detail because I don’t want anybody to try it. All these things are real and the effects are terrible, and no one should do this. So I would see children killed on each side of me, and they would hurt me, and they would start drawing my blood. It was taking out of my nose. Is that for the adrenochrome I would assume so. I didn’t know why they were doing it at the time, but I was constantly anemic and I’ve had to have multiple surgeries as an adult.

And if I showed you a ct, that’s just a big square there, there’s nothing, nothing there. And, and, but I didn’t, I, I was, I felt responsible because I couldn’t save the children, but I wasn’t killing them. However, the super soldiers, different story, absolutely different. And when you say super soldier, a lot of people think people who are artificially strengthened and so forth, but you’re using it in the reference of mind control assassins, Is that it? Assassins, soldiers, they became frontline army, top performers in the, in the Iraq war. And, and wherever our army is doing killing, there they are on the front lines and.

But they’re tormented souls. Because this is an artifact. They didn’t choose this. They were programmed to do it and they were, they accepted it. Like if I’ve had series of dreams where they were trying. I believe they were trying to program me to do assassinations or to harm someone or to take advantage. I spent years working with, rescuing children from the former Soviet Union and running an underground railroad against human trafficking. And there were a lot of people that wanted me to create a trafficking network. I mean, it would have been extremely easy. I could have been really good at it.

But no, that wasn’t what I was doing. I was rescuing them and taking them home. Not abroad, not to somewhere else. Wasn’t going to happen. But I know they were trying to program me at that point to toe the line, to obey. And I refused. And I had a delegation come to my office in Moscow from the MacArthur foundation, of all people, to tell me that I would never be in Wikipedia as a punishment because I was not cooperating. I don’t know that that would have changed my mind. I got to tell you this. I’m mindful of Charlie Kirk and the Batman shooting when I ask you this question.

The CIA, we know is involved in MK Ultra. Do they partner with the Mossad in MK Ultra ventures? I think this is as I’ve looked at it and through the years, watched this evolve. I think that the CIA no longer has a central control over this program. I think when it started, they. What’s typical for the State Department is, is they had to multiply the effect of these Nazi scientists as quickly as possible. So they probably. The CIA probably only had at most 100 staff when it started. And, and then they had this 1500 scientists all around the country.

And these guys are all from, like, my uncles. They’re all Skull and Bones. My great grandfather was the North American commander of the Templars. So they’re Templars and Shriners, Rosicrucians, Yeah, that’s my group. And I think the way the State Department works is it sends out tenders, grants, opportunities to their friends. And these would be their friends, people they knew from college or, you know, and the connection to Zionism was made with. And Mossad was made with. With Gottlieb right at the beginning. That makes sense. With Sid Gottlieb. Yeah. He was a Zionist. He was all for Israel.

And. And this came up in the MK Ultra hearings, which is where I heard about it. And I think that’s extremely important because there’s. There’s your link. So it was. They were connected right from the beginning, but I think they had a program. The Templars had a program. The Masons had a program. The Occult Sisterhood had a program. Anyone that could show that they could follow through, they could host a Nazi family, help them get settled. They could donate a floor of a hospital or a building on a religious retreat, which they like to use, or a space in a school that could remain hidden.

They’d like to use these portables. When I was growing up, the schools were never big enough. So they put these portables around the school, and one of those will be donated to MK Ultra because they could keep it isolated and secret. Then later, they use these for the GATE program. Probably you’re familiar with that because that’s. That’s as much MK Ultra. I’ll tell you what I’m mostly familiar with. It goes back to Paperclip, but it’s not along the lines of what you’re involved in. My father moved up the ranks quickly in intel work in the Navy.

He actually was in charge of the CIC when they put the first nuclear weapons on the first ships. And then they retired him six months early with full benefits to move the family to the Denver area where he worked with captured German scientists on reverse engineering, theoretical physics. So he told me everything he did in the last two years. I’m very familiar with that end of it. But as far as I know, it did not involve the trafficking and the honeypot stuff and the trained assassins. They were scientists that were kept in sequestered habitat. My dad could remove one or two and take them out under guard if he wanted to.

Sometimes he brought them to the house and we had to leave, but. But they were kept at Martin Marietta at that time. And now it’s called Lockheed Martin and it’s outside Littleton, Colorado and Coal Creek Canyon in the foothills and that they sequestered them there and trailers and had fences and guards and stuff. And. And I actually went to Martin Marietta as a kid one time and had lunch with my dad in the cafeteria. I was probably about, I don’t know, eight, nine years old. And I was with my mom and. And I saw the trailers, I saw the fenced off areas, and that’s where they did the work.

But it seems like Paperclip went in several different directions. They had the science part of it. And then what you’re talking about here, assassination, super soldiers and honeypot operations. Do you. This is a terrible question to ask. And Eric, I apologize to you if I’m wrong, but I’m wondering, when she says the word Jesus, her eyes go bizarre. And many people have noticed this and she avoided saying it until she got called out on it. And then you see the physical reaction. Do you think she is a product of MK Ultra training? Oh, I do. And I, I’ve always thought that.

Yeah, you know, she went to a specialized school that was surrounded with mystery. The name jumps out of my head right now, but I’m talking early elementary years in an offbeat school that is crowded in secrecy. You know, these private schools, they like to tell you who they are so they can get people to come and enroll. This school does the opposite. As I research this and I couldn’t find out much, and she was there, but I think between the first and the fourth grade, and those are the prime ages of training, isn’t it? Well, yes.

And her parents were associated with Fort Point and, and the Satanic. Yeah, I know her mom’s in the EMP industry big time with the government, but you’re saying her father and mother are associated with MK Ultra? With Fort Point, I. I’ve got exactly what they did. They came after me. But I’ve seen pictures of them and I can identify the fact that they’re at Fort Point. And, and Fort Point was Army Psychological Warfare Headquarters, and they were there with Michael Aquino. So Fort Point, Michael Aquino, Erica Kirk’s parents. I can’t. You know, I would have to.

And her strange. Her behavior and the fact that she is so, so good at it. Yeah, she’s not a very good liar when she lied about her life from 2013, 2018. We have lots of public records that expose those lies. But I do agree with you. She’s able to keep up the facade But I got to tell you, her imitation of a grieving spouse is really bad. There’s all kinds of internal recordings that have come out right after Charlie’s assassination where she’s just giddy about the money they’re making off Charlie’s legacy, but not a word about the grief that she’s feeling for her husband.

That’s in these private zoom calls. Well, if Candace Owens hadn’t come after her so hard, she’d have gotten away with all the lies and so would, so would the other people in TP usa. And now these things are, are coming out and it’s, it’s. Do you know that all those people at tpusa, almost all the inner circle, have a background to Liberty University? Is there a link there to something? There is. I, Candace went over it once. I, I remember seeing it and thought, I’m not very surprised at that. Yeah, it’s, it’s huge. It’s huge. MK ULTRA and its influence and all of its sub modules.

I think Templars are running one Skull and Bones is running one. The Zionists have their own. Mossad has its own, probably dvd, you know, German intelligence, because of the connection of the CIA and Gelin have their own version that they’re running in the United States. I don’t think anyone has a central control on it because if they kept the records, someone would find the records. I think they protected themselves by diffusing it out through the. I believe, I can’t prove this, but I believe it went out through the Senior Executive service. Because when the Church Commission held hearings in 1976, which is the only time until now that Congress looked at MK Ultra and at that time it was running in 80 institutions, 150 different documented programs.

And the CIA witnesses admitted that they didn’t really know how many were running. They just funded everything and nobody was accountable. No one checked reports. It’s not like other State Department grants. The people were just told to develop the objectives which were mind control and dumbing down the population. Pharmaceutical companies, they probably have their own programs. After the hearings in 1976, theoretically the MK Ultra shut down. But 1978, up comes the Senior Executive Service which is funded by nobody knows where. And it’s full of thousands of people who then are put into government agencies all over the government, from corporate to NGOs to top level government.

These people get their salaries from. We don’t know where. They get more than other people. They’re inserted into your project whether you want them or not. And they’re disruptive. You can’t get rid of them. You can’t fire them. You know, you look at those FBI agents that cause so much trouble, that can’t be fired, it’s because they’re senior executives or so there’s some kind of. So they are the deep state within the deep state. You just took the words out of my mouth about my next question. Yeah, that’s what you’re describing is the deep state. You know, our government’s been one civ for infiltration.

I mean, we were infiltrated by the Russians in the 70s and 80s. 60s 70s and 80s. And I’ve interviewed a couple the defectors on this. And we know the Chinese have made serious inroads. I mean, Mitch McConnell’s wife, I mean, the recent things going on with her show exactly what I already knew to be true. You’ve got people in Congress that are on the payroll. You got dual citizens in Congress like crazy. Israel’s involved in infiltration. This is. We don’t control our government anymore. And then you got the MK Ultra. Let’s put these agents into. Into power to do with certain things we want to do.

That’s crazy. Juliet, we are out of time. But we’re not done. I want to get to the hearings. Do you think we could carve out some time to have you back on in the very near future? Certainly, because I would. I’d like to go down the path because I’m not a fan. I was a fan of Anna, Polly and Luna. She had me fooled. But she’s like a national security tease. I’ll tell you about UFOs, but I can’t really tell you very much because. Because it was in a secret meeting and then she’s doing the same crap now with MK Ultra.

And I wanted to get you on and talk about that in detail. Okay. Because. Glad to. Yes, I see the same behaviors in both domains from her and that tells me she’s an agent. Okay. She’s masquerading and she’s from something. Tell people how to get a copy of the books that I see in the background here. Well, you can get them from my website, which is just Google my name, which is Juliet Engel. JulietAngle.com is my website. You can find all three of my books, which include my childhood Angels Over Moscow, about my running an underground railroad rescuing children in former Soviet Union for 20 years.

Also my third book, which is about MK Ultra training in other countries. I’m going to be lining up to get your books. This is just too interesting. This is just too Interesting. I got to tell you, I. My dad thought I was being recruited into this eventually because I was recruited heavily for sports by the Naval Academy. You play basketball and football, and we don’t usually do that very often. And, you know, my dad said, son, it’s like father, like son. Do you want to be with your family as much as I was? And so he actually blocked me from doing that.

But I think they were recruiting me to do psyop work, and so did my dad. Well, you. You’d be the perfect candidate for it. Well, I understand how the system worked, that’s for sure. And I’m glad that my dad blocked this. I was upset with him at first, but he ended up being right. He’s right. This is. This has been so fascinating, and you’ve answered so many questions I’ve had. I’ll be in touch with you, if it’s okay, later today and we’ll set up a follow up time. Okay. So you people said you didn’t get to all the good stuff.

I promise. Promise we will. Juliet, thanks so much for coming on and thanks for your courage. My pleasure. Thank you, Dave. Take care.
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