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➡ Lisa Schermer Horn, a certified hypnotist, NLP therapist, and energy healer, has helped many people overcome their physical and emotional issues through unconventional methods. She believes that unresolved emotions and inherited fears can impact our health and well-being. Lisa uses techniques like hypnosis, forgiveness work, and neuro-linguistic programming to help people release their pain and find their purpose. She emphasizes that healing is not just about treating symptoms but addressing the root cause of the problem.
➡ The text discusses the power of hypnosis and neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) in helping individuals deal with emotional trauma, grief, and addiction. The speaker shares personal experiences and explains how these techniques work by changing the way our brain perceives and stores information. They emphasize that these methods are not about controlling the individual, but rather helping them to process emotions and see situations from a different perspective. The ultimate goal is to reach a neutral state, where one can live in the present moment without being hindered by past traumas or negative beliefs.
➡ This text discusses the power of the mind and how it can be used to overcome physical challenges. The speaker shares personal experiences of walking on hot coals, bending spoons, and even a 10-foot piece of rebar using mental focus and belief. They also discuss how these experiences helped them overcome personal fears and make significant life changes. The speaker also mentions a book they wrote about how our beliefs can shape our reality.
➡ The text discusses how our beliefs and traumas can be inherited from our ancestors and how these can affect our lives. It explains that through techniques like hypnosis, we can identify and heal these inherited traumas, which can lead to feeling lighter and freer. This process, often referred to as ‘clearing the lineage’, can even impact future generations. The text also emphasizes that the wisdom gained from personal experiences can be a powerful tool in helping others with similar issues.
➡ The text discusses the author’s journey into energy healing, specifically using a method called quantum healing. Initially, the author was unsure of the effectiveness of this remote healing method, but after using a special microscope to observe changes in patients’ blood before and after the healing, she saw positive results. The author shares stories of healing people remotely, including a woman in Florida and a first responder with severe symptoms. The author emphasizes that she is not the one doing the healing, but rather she is holding space for people to heal themselves, suggesting that we all have the ability to manifest and create our own lives.
➡ The text discusses the concept of quantum healing and the power of forgiveness, using various personal stories as examples. It also introduces a new collaborative book titled “We Are Quantum” that shares these stories and experiences. The book’s launch event will be held on June 16th on Zoom, where attendees can meet the authors and purchase the book at a discount. The text emphasizes the importance of personal growth, learning, and the potential for everyone to tap into their unique gifts.

What if the reason that nothing has worked isn’t your body, your diet, or even your doctor, but a grief that your grandfather never processed or a fear that you inherited even before you were born? Sounds a little out there, right? My friend Lisa Schermer Horn, a certified hypnotist, NLP therapist, and energy healer, has spent decades working at the edge of what most people think is possible with healing. And the results. People walking out of her office after not being able to walk, quitting smoking after one session, or blood visibly changing its structure under a microscope, it suggests that she might be onto something that many of us have not caught up to yet.

The stories that she brings in our conversation are the kind that make you question everything you think about healing. But I’m going to let Lisa explain it, so just listen. But first, do you know what the words on your food labels are actually hiding? I’ve put together a free guide for you called the 10 words on your food labels that are lying to you. It’s 10 label claims out of a bunch that manufacturers are using to try to give you the impression that their product is healthy and clean, but it really isn’t. You can grab it at the link in the description or just go to greenlivingnow.com.

okay, let’s get into it. Ah, my dear friend, Lisa Schermer Horn. Welcome. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much, Amy, for having me. One of the things that has just always impressed me about you is that you’re always learning something new, adding to your toolkit. And I see you as this incredible healer, speaker, book author. Now you’re coming out with a second book. You’ve been in an award winning movie with Dr. Joe Vitale. You’re always doing something amazing. And what would you say is your overall mission with all of this work? It started to heal myself.

Oh, well, isn’t that interesting? It’s often how it works, right? Yeah, it was exactly. I was suicidal. I did not want to be here anymore. It was dark and it was just so heavy, I couldn’t breathe. And just getting up in the morning just felt, what am I even here for? I knew I wasn’t going to do anything. I was going to conventional therapy two to three days a week. Oh my word. Nothing was helping me. I was working with a shaman who insisted that I go on antidepressants. And I’m like, wait a minute, I’m going to you because I don’t want to go on medicine.

Now you’re taking telling me you want me on meds? It Was that bad? Oof. I found a hypnotist and I didn’t know anything about, but I was desperate. And what people don’t understand oftentimes with hypnosis, is you’re getting to the unconscious mind, you’re getting to your higher self, the part of you that has the answers to everything. There were things that I just didn’t have access to in just going to conventional therapy or just on a loop talking about the same stuff over and over again and being a victim. So she was able to help me get to the root cause of where all this stuff came from.

And I was like, there’s gotta be other people like me. There’s people who are struggling like I am. And so she was the reason why I went on to study hypnosis. I became a Reiki master because of her. And then I went on to study nlp, neuro linguistic programming. Tony Robbins is a master at. That’s what he does for people. What that is. So it’s a waking hypnosis, using language to help influence people and the study of really excellence. What do people do that are at the prime of whatever they do? And these are techniques that help people achieve that.

And so what are the types of things that you’re working with people on typically? So for the most part, I get people who are stuck. I’ve tried everything, and I don’t know my purpose, I don’t know what I’m here for, or they’ve had a lot of trauma in their life and they can’t seem to pull themselves out of it. One of the major things that I ended up doing was forgiveness work. And the forgiveness work is what finally was a key in my life. And what happened was I had been releasing and releasing and doing all this workup for myself of releasing all.

If you were to close your eyes and just think about something that bothers you, you’ll feel it someplace in your body. And so there’s techniques to release it. And then the feeling is gone. You keep the wisdom from the lesson, but you don’t have to keep the pain. That’s really the gist of what I do is help people the wisdom, but release the pain. But with that, people will say, I already forgave them. I’m like, I didn’t. Not with that restricted kind of how many times people like, I forgave them. And I’m like, I realized that I was asked to be part of a group.

It’s called the Ho’ opono Pono group. Oh, sure. And it’s an ancient Hawaiian prayer. I read Dr. Vitale’s book, and the book was Zero Limits, and it was about having people achieve their dreams and manifesting their lives. And I was like, I’m in. Read his book. And then I got invited to a weekly ho’ oponopono group. And just the idea of forgiving doesn’t mean you like them, want to hang out with them. You don’t give them permission to. Let’s say you were harmed by somebody. It’s not like you’re saying, I excuse your behavior. Isn’t forgiveness more about how you hold it in your own self? Perfect.

That’s exactly right. Oh, cool. So when you let go, and I use this term a lot, it’s like swallowing a poison pill, expecting the other person to die. Your thoughts create things, and so you create these neuropeptides that connect to your cells, and so rage and anger get stored in your pancreas and your liver. Oh, that’s interesting. Yeah. So you want to release this again. We are meant to feel, but not hold on. Yes. So you let the emotions pass through. Yeah. Hold it for the rest of your life. One of the things that’s really stood out for me after doing over a year’s worth of podcast interviews is that the emotional piece of what people are experiencing is so tied to physical symptoms.

And it just blows me away. Even though I know this, when I hear somebody’s story about they tried all these different things, and especially the people that have gone the conventional route first because they didn’t know anything else, and then they’re managing symptoms because of different medications they’re on and that sort of thing, and then they finally find some kind of holistic alternative. And this book, your body speaks to your mind. Ooh, is that kind of like your body keeps the score? I don’t know that one. But, like, Louise Hay. Yeah, Louise Hay, for sure. So sorry.

I was like, oh, my gosh, I gotta show this. Deb Shapiro, your body speaks your mind. I’ll have to check that one out. I haven’t seen that. Yeah. So the bottom line is, I keep hearing these stories over and over again, is it’s one thing to treat symptoms, even using holistic strategies. Right. There’s still a mentality that I’ve noticed in us humans that we’re looking for that quick fix. Right. Whether it’s a homeopathic remedy or an herb or whatever. If we don’t get to what the core issue is and release it like you’re talking about, it’s still going to be there on some level causing trouble.

Absolutely. It’s like the metaphor of smoking. Okay. One of the things that I’ve found primarily in a lot of smokers is your lungs are the place where we hold grief. Yes. Okay. So if you have unresolved grief, you tend to want to keep stuffing it down. And that’s what the cigarette does. It stuffs it down. So the emotion comes up, you stuff it down. One of my clients, at 12 years old, his father passed away and he went to the funeral. His uncle gave him a cigarette because this was 50 years ago. Oh my. His uncle gave him a cigarette to make him feel better.

He never grieved his father. So when people smoke, they’re suppressing. They’re not allowing themselves to move through whatever that emotion is. That’s why when someone quits smoking, they’ll eat or they’ll try something else. People will move from one addiction to the other because they haven’t gotten to the root cause. Interesting. So when I was able to help him go back through his life, we ask your higher self the root cause and boom, you’re right there. Now, if I were doing cognitive behavioral therapy, I would have to consciously know that was the moment I made the decision to use cigarettes.

But I didn’t. But his higher consciousness, the higher self, knew the answer and took us right there. And you did this in hypnosis? In hypnosis. Okay. So once we healed that released, it allowed him to grieve, just to get it out of his body, then he could quit smoking. Interesting. And he didn’t jump to some other addiction to replace that. Because once it’s gone. Huh. So I know you’ve worked with a bunch of people to help them quit smoking. What are some of the other things that you’re finding people coming to you for? It’s mostly the emotions of any trauma or anger and grief.

It’s really about allowing yourself to process. And we hold on. The reason why I pulled this book out, your Body Speaks yous Mind, was, I want to say, 15 years ago, my best friend from high school was living down in Florida. So I didn’t get to see her very well. She passed away and there was a whole life about her that I didn’t know that I found out when I met that she basically had some very self destructive. I didn’t know. And so when I left and I was flying home, the fellow sitting next to me on the plane was like, your eye, your right eye is bright red.

Are you aware of that? I said, no. I looked it up in the book. What is it you don’t want to see? What is it you didn’t want to know? So I spent two days clearing my guilt that maybe I could have saved her, that I didn’t know. And I was upset that I didn’t know. What if I had just gone down there? But anyway, once I let go and cleared it. Hip issues are often especially left hip. Appear can be mother issues. And so the left is the feminine is the masculine. So wherever it shows.

Okay, so wait, right hip is father issues? Yeah. Is father issues okay. And is it always mother, father, or is it just men and women issues? Depends on the individual. These are gross generalizations. Generalizations. I had a woman who was a hiker. Like Mount Everest hiker. Oh, wow. Serious hiker. Like serious hiker. And she was crippled, she couldn’t walk. And she came to me and we went to the root cause mother. She had some major healing that needed to be done with her mother. We cleared that, and she got up and walked out of my office.

Good grief. That’s pretty profound. It was profound. I was shocked. And I want to say, I don’t always have those kinds of results. Sometimes it’s layers over a period of time. But that was shocking. She got up and she was like, oh, my God. Wow. So for folks that don’t really understand hypnosis and lp, can you help us understand a little bit more about how those things work? Sure. So when you’re working with your unconscious mind, so your brain, it works in many different layers. Right now we are in what’s called beta, and it’s a quick frequency that works like this.

We’re in our conscious mind. Okay. So whenever you’re daydreaming or meditating, you go into something called alpha. So if you’ve ever driven and you’ve missed an exit. Yep. That’s the meditative state. So people think that they’re actually supposed to be controlled, but it’s not. So it’s not like the shows that we see on stage where people are hypnotized and they do these ridiculous things. Exactly. I’m not trained in that. I don’t know how to do it. And when I see them do it, it freaks me out. It does me too, because I would never want to put myself in that situation, first of all.

But I also wonder if it’s real. I feel like a lot of them are faking. You have to want to do it. Yeah, that’s right. You have to want to be a participant. Because in the work that I do, I can’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to do. Exactly. And that’s really key. I think, for anybody that’s thinking about hypnosis as an option, you’re not going to be delving into things that you’re not ready to deal with, first of all. Right. And you won’t do things that you’re not comfortable with. Exactly. Exactly. Now, does that mean that there wouldn’t be any emotional pain that comes up if we suddenly get to a moment? I’m not here to re.

Traumatize anyone. So, for instance, if you have an issue that you feel sad about, if people close their eyes and let’s say, okay, I feel it in my chest, and then from 0 to 10, 10 would be the highest. Let’s say it’s a 4. So there’s really simple techniques that I use. Should I let it go? Yes. Could I let it go? Yes. When? Now. Repeat it, and then it’ll be gone. So the idea is to get to a neutral state, which is being in the present moment. So what they do is they help you get to the present moment.

One of the big NFP techniques that I use, when we think of things, it stores in the brain in geometric patterns. Okay. Huh. So if I were to say to you, go back to a time when you were a child, and then let’s say, oh, my gosh, I was really sad. A friend bullied me or someone I knew bullied me. Well, where do you feel that? Now I will ask someone, what shape is that? Could be a blob. I remember doing that in the S training when I was 13. Yeah, that’s NLP. Oh, wow. That makes sense, because I guess Werner Erhard took a whole bunch of different modalities and combined them all together.

Yeah. So you give it a shape, you give it a color. It could be a texture or how much water can it hold? Yeah, it depends on how much detail you want to go in. But sometimes it’s just the color in the shape and the shape isn’t. And then from there, you give it a new shape. You give it a new color. Something completely opposite. So someone might have a purple square that’s screaming really loud. So then I might give it a yellow circle that’s really quiet. Now, help me understand, what is the thinking behind giving it a new shape and a new color? Because then it becomes a new thought.

Okay. So it’s retraining the brain, transforming the shape and the color that your brain stored. You identified it, you’re feeling it now. You’re giving it a new shape, which gives it a new thought. So do you actually put a new thought in there too? No, it’s changing the shape. It becomes neutral. Okay, so neutral doesn’t mean that it’s putting anything positive in, for example, it’s just kind of. It’s seeing it for what it truly is. Okay. Interesting seeing the reality, because especially as children, when there’s trauma involved, let’s say there was a parent who was really mean, and let’s say you got a spam for something as a child, that person feels like a monster.

So that’s what gets imprinted to them. They’re like 8 or 9ft tall. As an adult, you’re like, oh, that was my broken father who was an addict. And this had nothing to do with me. This was about them. See it from a different lens instead of, this is all my fault, I did it. And so you’re shifting the reality of how you see things into seeing it for what it truly is. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that the whole shifting of the way we see things and our beliefs associated with that, with whatever these things are, is monumental.

I’ve been listening to the Peter Crone Finding Freedom, I think is the name of it. But I was listening to some podcasts on the way back from my daughter Diana’s this weekend. And the whole idea is very much like what we’ve been talking about. Oftentimes we have these experiences, particularly in childhood, that leave marks in some way, and we are continuing to live from that place of being like that child. And we don’t have the access to what you just explained, that adult perspective of, oh, my dad was an addict. He was doing the best he could with what he had.

Because I was listening to this one guy talking about how his mother died when he was fairly young and the father ended up working 12 hour shifts. But his father would constantly say, I wish I’d never gotten married and I wish I’d never had kids. And so the message that this young man took was, I’m a mistake. And so his whole life was plagued with that belief system. And Peter Guy was working with him to release that and dissolve it. Right? To get rid of it so it’s no longer operating in his internal system. That’s exactly what I do.

And there’s many different modalities. I can’t be hypnotized. I don’t need someone to be hypnotized in order to do this work. And many other tools One thing about hypnotists or hypnosis, because I’ve been hypnotized. I think you’ve hypnotized me in the past, haven’t you? Yeah. Yeah. And so what I experienced, and I’ve had this happen more than once. And I’ve done some past life regressions. I didn’t feel like I was in some completely different place. I felt like I was still present. Right. I could still hear things going on around me, but yet I was in this kind of maybe more relaxed state that allowed me to access what you were talking about.

The higher mind, the daydream. Yeah. So people are awake. Like they get up and go to the bathroom. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They can get up and move around. Believe it or not, when you’re watching TV and you’re in a movie, you’re actually in the state of hypnosis. That makes total sense. Yeah. When you get so involved in the story and the characters, that happens to us. Yeah. So we’re in it. And tv, they actually use techniques to program people. They repeat over and over again messages, even product placement. Right. When you see certain familiar products in the scene and then all of a sudden there’s a commercial for whatever that is.

Wait a minute. No, it’s exactly right. Yeah. But this is about helping people really have a sense of who they are at the core and letting go. Because we often will live vicariously through other people. Our parents wanted us to do things. I had wanted to be an artist. I got into Rhode Island School design. My parents wouldn’t let me go because they thought I’d become weird or forced on art. Yeah. And you know what? It all worked out perfectly, exactly as it should have. And so I was able to let go and forgive them. But for years I had a lot of anger around that because who turns down one of the top art schools in the world? Yeah.

And it’s particularly amusing to me too. Thinking about all the interesting things that you do that might be considered weird to your parents is a lot more weird than art would be. Exactly. That’s wild. Yeah. Even getting into weird, like I teach people how to bend spoons. Yeah. Tell us about that. Like how does that even work? And that you’re talking about not physically manipulating. Well, because this is a stainless steel. I can’t bend this right now, but I’ve bent a ten foot piece of rebar from my throat. Wait, what? Say that again. You did what? It’s at my house.

I’m surprised I never seen it. You bent a Piece of rebar. Rebar. 10 foot piece of rebar from the soft part of my throat. I have it in my house. I’ll show it to you next time you’re here. Okay. I’ve walked 40ft of red hot coals. Yeah, that blows my mind. You went to a Tony Robbins thing? No, this was. This was training on actually facilitating firewalks. It was a week long firewalk. So help people understand what goes on. How you can do that without burning your feet. What is happening there? So the idea is you’re raising your frequency because we are not solid beings.

We are light, we are energy, which is the case for everything. Like even this desk and the computer. Right. It’s all energy, but it looks solid to our eyes. We think we are solid, but we are not. So what happens is with the spoon, I take people through a guided meditation and they’re sending all this energy to this part of the spoon. You can feel your fingers start to tingle. You can feel the metal in your hand start to feel soft and warm. And then I have people open their eyes and bend it and then it bends and then within a few seconds it’s stuck in that.

You can’t move it. Here I have. Oh, my word. But it’s really cool. It’s really cool. And so what’s the mechanism that’s happening, that’s allowing the spoon to be bent, that if you were to try it without going through this process, it would be very difficult to do that. Right. It’s your belief system, it’s your thoughts. So getting back to walking on fire. Okay, if you are really down, you don’t believe that you can do it, you will burn yourself. How do you get into that place? I know Tony Robbins does that for people. There’s gotta be people that are scared.

Music. You have really high vibe music. And they get people pumped and excited because the fire has its own qi energy. It’s called the noom. It’s called the what? Noom. N U M E. I think that’s what I was taught. Okay, so you want to match it or get it higher? If you’re really depressed and not in a good place, I wouldn’t advise walking because you probably will burn yourself. So I was terrified. I spent a week. I was walking 7 to 10ft a night and terrified of doing 40ft. So wait, so you did it terrified and you still didn’t burn your feet? What happened was, got to that last day, in order to graduate this program, I had to walk 40ft.

I found out Sunday that I had to walk 40ft, and all I did was freak out all week. In the meantime, I walked 4ft of broken glass. I walked 7 to 10ft of red hot coals every night. I bent the rebar from my throat. I was breaking arrows from my throat. And I couldn’t see any of it, couldn’t appreciate it, because the whole time, all I kept thinking was, I got to walk. I’m going to die. I’m going to lose my seat. This isn’t possible. And yet you’re doing these remarkable things already. Yeah. And that was a metaphor for my life.

Oh, so wait, what was the metaphor for you? That I was doing magical things, and I was very powerful, and I couldn’t see it because of my fear. Interesting. Okay. I was married at the time. At the very end, I was terrified to leave. I was afraid I had no voice. And then I walked. Final 40. So what happened was one of the people in the class looked at me because I was a mess. And he said, asked me, how much fire have you walked this week? And I’m like, it’s been five, six months of red hot coals, seven to 10ft.

And he said, you’ve walked more than 40ft already. But it’s not at one time. And he’s, you’ve already done this. You’ve got it. Go. And as soon as I heard go, it was like a light switch went off in my head. I walked all the way across. They had a bell at the other side. I rang it and then I turned around and I was like, I don’t even remember. It was like I floated above it. Wow. And no burns on your feet? No burns. So after you accomplished that, did something change for you? Yes, I got a divorce.

Okay. And did you go into it with that anticipation that you would be getting divorced? Was that. No. You didn’t even have that awareness when you were doing this? No. I went because things were not great at home. I had been studying with this woman for three years. It was a shamanic apprenticeship. Okay. And I was just in this bunk. I was afraid to be alone. I didn’t know how I was going to support myself. I knew he would be really adversarial. Didn’t want that. I didn’t want my kids to deal with it. They were in college at that point, so there was a lot going on in my head.

And once I did it, I’m like, I just walked 40ft of cold. I just did all these things. If I can do this, I can do anything. Got home and he looked at me, and I was like, I just walked 40ft of cold. I was so excited. And he said, that’s nice. We’re late for a party. Getting caught. God. And that was when the switch went. I was done. And I knew it. I knew it. And I knew for years because I kept saying to my friends, when am I going to know when I know? And then I.

No kidding? Yeah. I was, like, wondering how it’s to me. So you knew you wanted to leave. You just weren’t sure when. Ah. So once you had that experience of the power that you actually had, then you realized you could handle whatever came. Exactly. When I met you, I had just left. Yeah. So you knew what I was going. It was not easy. It was tough. But you made it. I did make it. And you’re thriving. I am thriving. And I am happier than I’ve ever been in my life. I. I mean, I love my kids.

I had an amazing life. But now that was for others. Now I get to do this for me. Some of the amazing things that you’ve done, you’ve written a book called there’s in every Belief is a lie, which is a great. If you look at the word lie, that’s in the middle of belief. I love that. And so what’s the essence of this book? So this is all about how we’re programmed. And I have techniques and exercises in here. There I am. There I am, walking 40ft of fire. Oh, my gosh. I can see the smoke.

Yeah. That’s so cool that somebody took the picture for you. Holy mackerel. And there’s me walking on broken wine bottles. Whoa. That’s intense. Yeah, I just opened it up and then. That’s cool. Here I am bending the rebar with. With him. And so for people that don’t know rebar, that is incredibly solid, rigid metal. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you have all these cool tools and techniques in the book, as well as your own story, so that it helps people understand that we’re all programmed, basically. Isn’t it, like, from in utero to age 7 is when the biggest programming is happening through our parents? And like, all those different cliches that we’ve all heard, money doesn’t grow on trees.

And all the different things that are part of the messages that we receive as we’re growing up, and then we have to decide whether or not those are actually serving us or not. Exactly. And it goes beyond that because we can inherit beliefs. Oh, totally. So talk a little bit about that whole another. Oh, we’re having fun today. People like, what is he talking about? There’s a fellow named Dr. Mark Wallen, wrote a book. It doesn’t start with you. And I saw him speak at a conference in California. And, like, this light bulb went over my head.

And I was listening because he said he could tell by the way people use their language whether or not it belonged to them, the trauma, or if it was inherited. Ooh. So what would be an example? So an example is he had a client who had been depressed from the moment she was born. Oh, my gosh. Never had any joy. Which is also a sign. Right. Because how can a baby coming in? Exactly. Because usually 0 to 3 is usually the most joyful time of our lives. Yeah, yeah. So she was very depressed her entire life, and she was using terms, want to be incinerated? I don’t want to be here anymore.

So he said, ah, are you Holocaust surviving Jewish ancestry? And she said, yes. Did you have a family member who survived the Holocaust? Yes. So she was carrying her grandmother’s trauma. And so we have in our DNA we can carry. And you can see it when there’s patterns in the family. Yeah, certain behaviors that are dysfunctional in a family that’s generally inherited ancestral trauma. So what I do with people is I use hypnosis. And your higher self has the answer to everything. Take people back, take me to the root cause, and we will go, and an ancestor will show up.

Oh, no kidding. So you see them in your mindset? They see them. Oh, they do too. They see them. Oh, wow. So I will get information about them. I want them to do the healing. So we’ll have a conversation with this ancestor and we do the healing. Sometimes they don’t want to do the healing. We have to talk them into it because they don’t understand. But the soul, when it’s traumatized, we’re speaking to that part to clear it. So you’re clearing your whole lineage. So we’re going there and they’re clearing. I’ve gone back 10 generations more, and we go to the next one.

So let me just understand something. So when you say clearing the lineage, it means that when that person is healing, let’s say the ancestral stuff of being in the Holocaust and surviving, then they no longer carry that with them in their own life. But how does that impact, let’s say, their kids, it clears it for them too. So they don’t even have to do the clearing, even though they may have inherited some of that trauma, Once the parent gets rid of it, it Goes away. For the kids, we have free will, and there’s patterns that are there.

But what happens is once you release it, it’s not stuck. It’s like a cord that. Let’s say the cord or a ball and chain. So you cut the ball and chain, and then all of a sudden, it’s like you have the choice to step forward or you’re free. Now it’s like they’ve done a study with fleas where they put fleas inside a jar, and they were hopping up and they kept hitting the top of the jar, and then they removed the jar, and they didn’t realize the jar was gone, so they kept hopping. Oh, my gosh.

I’ve heard that so many different times of various different animals that have been caged. And then they open the door and they don’t wander out because they think the door is still shut. Yeah. It’s the same with humans. I always say it’s getting the fear out and whatever there. But, yes, it can clear for generations. But we’ll say, I feel so much lighter. And let’s say it’s all a metaphor because they’re like, how can you prove that you were really talking to them? Yeah. It doesn’t really matter, though. It doesn’t. Because now what you’ve done is you healed it and it’s gone.

Yeah. That’s cool. There’s no such thing as time, so everything’s happening simultaneously. So it’s so hard for me to wrap my head around. I know it is. It is. I have the same problem. But what you do is, if you think about it, you’re tapping into a lifetime that’s happening simultaneously. So whether or not it’s past life or ancestral, you’re healing them. And so the way these parallel lives happen at the same time is it’s because they’re on different vibrations. Is that the distinction? Just different frequencies, different vibrations. One of the things that really helped. Excuse me, me, Understand frequency is imagining a radio tuned to different stations.

Yes. Really? Different frequencies at different stations. Yeah. So you’re tuning into a different frequency. So. Yes. It’s like a radio. I love that metaphor. Yeah. So that can be very healing. I’ve had people who come to me for weight loss. They were struggling, losing weight, and then they popped into a past life where they were in charge of the food for the community, and they did a really poor job at managing the growing season, and the town starved, and so they were forwarding food in this place. Life to. Wow, that’s pretty wild. It is. It is.

This stuff is really cool. Yeah, it’s. There’s never a dull moment in this work because I’m always like, really? Wow. I never would have thought. Yeah. And each person’s story is so different, I’m guessing, right? So different. So different. Yeah. So to folks that are listening and thinking, man, this is pretty far out, but fascinating. What would you say is a first step that somebody might take in the process of trying to clear some stuff that might be holding them back from experiencing their best life or health related. Actually, let’s talk a little bit about health because that tends to be the focus of the podcast.

What would you recommend to somebody that’s listening that’s. This is kind of new to. And they’re like, huh, this is interesting. What do I do? It depends on the individual because I’ve had a lot of people come to me because they’re like, I’ve tried everything and I’m desperate now. I’ll try anything. And. Okay. So it gets them to a place where they’re more open. The surrender. Oh, the surrender. Okay. It’s this because people like, how do I know I need you? You don’t necessarily. But are you drawn to me? Is there something or. What happens is people get really scared because there’s a part of them that knows they need it.

Yeah. And then they don’t know how to. How do I. Because they’re afraid that if I’ve been stuffing down grief my whole life and I let that, how am I going to live my life? Yeah. The cool thing is that you’re not going to have to. You’ll feel it, but it’s quick. It’s not going to drag out for years. Yeah. So that whole. Re experiencing something traumatic. It’s not like you’re going through it as though you did it the first time it happened. You’re getting like this quick. Oh, look at that. Like on a movie screen almost, would you say? Yes, yes, exactly.

It’s like a movie and actually part of nlp. What it does is it will have you project out as if it’s a movie and you can watch it. So you watch it in color and then you rewind it in black and white. So it’s almost like, you know when you take a pair of binoculars and you turn them backwards and suddenly it looks far away instead of bringing things close. So what you’re doing is you’re not getting rid of it because it happened. Yeah. You’re not making it go away still there. You’re just keeping the wisdom and letting go of the pain so it’s no longer driving your behavior in a certain way.

But then wisdom will drive you. For instance, my greatest wounds are from my childhood. Of all the things that happen from my trauma, I don’t have to live that anymore. I have the wisdom. And because I have the wisdom, work with someone, identify those things immediately. Because I lived it. Who else knows it better than someone who lived it versus read it in a book? Correct. I would say it’s very similar to. I would imagine if somebody was a smoker and they were able to get free of smoking, they might be a better helper to somebody that’s trying to quit and has tried everything.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it even goes even further out. Some of the work that I do for people who understand energy medicine, when you get into Reiki or any of those modalities where I started doing the hand healing with people many years ago and got retrained to work with people to help heal. My motivation was to help with side effects for certain things, such as vaccines, many other things. And I didn’t know how far I could take it because my initial training was it had to be in person when you work with someone. And I was like, how do I know that I’m actually clearing things like proteins or clearing things and changing people’s and making them healthier.

How to identify. And I spoke to a friend of mine who was a functional medicine specialist and she recommended something called dark field microscopy, which is a special microscope that will show people’s live blood on this big screen. And I found out that it was actually illegal to do that in Vermont. It was considered practicing medicine with license. Just the observation of the way your blood is functioning is considered practicing without a. Exactly. Bummer. I have no comment. Yep. So I needed to find a place where I could find someone who access to dark field microscopy so I could see if this do anything.

So you were looking for a before and after. You wanted to see what their blood looked like before the healing and then afterwards to prove that something changed. Exactly. Okay. So I spoke to a friend of mine who was down in Florida and she was having symptoms. She wasn’t feeling well. She had a lot of pain in her shoulders and her arms. And she had a friend who was trained in Dark Field. McCrusk. We did FaceTime and took pictures of the whole thing. She had her blood checked and it was very misshapen. White blood cells are supposed to be round and these were like oval.

Some of them were pear shaped. They were stacked there’s something called rouleaux. They were stacked on top of each other, and you could see the blood cells weren’t getting the proper nutrients. I don’t have a science background at all. You’re not a trained doctor? I’m not a trained doctor, but no, I have no medical background, so I’m just going by the professionals. So we got the photos of what her blood looked like. Then she went home. We did this quantum healing where I’m in Vermont, she’s in Florida, and I’m doing this healing on her. And then the following week, she went and had her blood rechecked.

And when she had her blood rechecked, her blood looked normal. And how were her symptoms? And her symptoms were gone. She was having massage therapy done because she had a lot of pain in her arms, so she was always manipulating the muscles. And the massage therapist was, what’s happened here? What have you been doing? Your muscles are different. And her pain level, she was much more flexible. So then called me and said, I have a friend who is a first responder. They. They have symptoms of Ms. And he just collapsed on the floor in his kitchen for 11 hours.

He was two weeks removed. Do you think you’ve been. Oh, gosh. I’m like, I have no idea. I was nervous through all of this because I didn’t know. This was all new to me. I was just experimenting. So he agreed, and he went. He had his blood looked at, and his blood was an absolute mess, absolute message. And he went home. And when I do these healings, guides come in. Everyone has spirit guides. Angels will come in, ascendant masters. And you can see these entities? I can see them. I see them through my mind, my third eye.

And you don’t call yourself a psychic or anything either? No, no. Because in some ways, this is what psychics, intuitives, mediums, et cetera, they have that capability. We all have it. And just like everyone can play a piano, just some people can play classical and play Beethoven, and others can play Chopsticks. But we all have these abilities. Yeah. What happened was I was working on him, and I started visualizing water entering the crown of his head, was going through his body and seeing it go through his feet. And what I saw coming through his feet was murky, dirty water.

Oof. And were you talking about this with him, or you were just imagining this in your own mind’s eye? Seeing it in my mind’s eye while he was asleep. Oh, he was asleep. Okay. He had his eyes closed, and he was just in this meditative state. Okay. All of a sudden I’m like pushing and pushing because there’s this blockage I see in his abdomen, like, trying to push, and nothing’s happening. And all of a sudden I feel this presence to me. And he looked next to me and I see Jesus. And he’s come to me many times working with people.

So I stepped aside. To be fair, I’m Jewish. So, like, I. Right. I was gonna say, what’s your religious background for those who might be interested. So I was like. But he’s come. He was Jewish. That’s right. Exactly. I always laugh as though his mother was a Jewish mother. So he was helping me, and I stepped aside and he started pushing and the water released, the whatever the blockage was released. And I saw all this clear water running through his body, healing him out his feet. Out his feet. So I didn’t say anything. I said, let’s check back in a few days and see how you’re doing.

So he went back and had his blood checked, and his blood looked normal. Okay. Then he said to me, I don’t know if this is relevant, but two days after the healing, I woke up at seven in the morning, could not stop throwing clear liquid. I didn’t have any water before I went to bed. I didn’t have anything in the middle of the night. I have no idea where this water came from because I have never had that much water at once. And normally when people throw up, there’s still undigested food and things that come out of the stomach.

So the fact that it was clear is unusual. Unless he’d been fasting. Exactly. Wow. Clear liquid. I have. Miracles happen on a regular basis. And this is why my next book that’s coming out June 16th is called We Are Quantum. Because we have the ability to manifest and create our lives. Like, when I’m doing this work, I am not healing anyone. I am holdings space. Yeah. And allowing people to heal themselves utilizing their guards and their loved ones on the other side. Yep. So I always say, I’m not doing anything. I’m just holding space for them.

What is quantum? And, yeah, I’ve actually read books on quantum healing, quantum physics. I can barely even understand it myself, let alone try to explain all of these different things. There is that double slit experiment that I always think of when I think of quantum, and it’s this really cool cartoon version that you can see on YouTube for those that are interested in getting a little sense of what quantum is, because it is hard to wrap one’s head around It. I think for the average person, the bottom line of that whole video for those interested, is that there’s a certain result that happens with a test with nobody is watching.

But then when there’s somebody watching, it changes the result of that test. And that’s mind blowing. Yes. Just the action of there being a witness somehow can change something which is. And their thoughts completely change. So we have the ability to manifest and create our lives. Yep. The way we want them. The way that we want them and the way we don’t want them. Because when we are so negative. Manifest that too. When you speak, it’s a spell. Yeah. You’re creating. Yeah. One of the things that’s really stood out for me that I say all the time is that the mind doesn’t know the difference between imagination and reality.

It’s like, because all those experiments where they have athletes going through their routine in their mind. They’re actually having physiological impacts from just visualizing their routine. That’s incredible. That’s self hypnosis. So they’re training. Oh, self hypnosis. Okay. Yeah. So they go through it over and over again. It becomes part of them. Yeah. So these things are so fascinating. And everyone has their own gifts and talents. It’s about tapping into. Yeah. So I was talking to my daughter and I thought to myself. The best way for people to understand things are through story. At least that’s how I learned people remember stories.

So I started talking to friends of mine and people I knew. And they were willing to share their stories. Working in the quantum realm. And the first person was Dr. Joe Vitali. I’d just been in a movie with him, Zero Limits. And he talks about the Ho’ Oponopono and how it saved his life. It changed my life going back to when I was part of that Ho’ Oponopono group. I had someone who I hadn’t spoken to in 14 years. And I had forgiven them. It was three months and I get a phone call while I’m driving.

Hi. I noticed things between us have changed. I want you back in my life. How can we make that happen now? The only thing that had changed was the prayer. So when they said that things had changed, how did they. What did they notice? They just felt differently. Because when I shifted, the world outside of me shifts. So they felt something shift even though they hadn’t been in touch with you or seen you or anything? I forgave. They didn’t know it. They had no idea that I had forgiven. But they felt it. Yes. And so there’s miracle stories that happen like this all the time.

This is all the quantum world. How you can feed someone and instantly you either love them or you don’t. What is that you feel? You get on your cell phone and you’re talking to someone across the world. How does that work? You don’t see the wires. You don’t see. It’s the same thing. Our bodies, our souls work the same way. Yeah, that’s a good analogy. Like a cell phone. So for me, I went to him and then all of a sudden I was talking to people. And as I talked to people, they had stories, they would add their stories.

So I became friends with Tom Althouse, who wrote the original screenplay to the Matrix. How he channeled the idea of the Matrix and it’s like that’s quantum. So he wrote his story in the book. And this is the new collaborative book that. This is a new collaborative book called We Are Quantum that’s coming out June 16th. So we’re doing a author meet and greet and then you can buy the book that night. So I have 160 people signed up for that and it’s still two weeks away. I’m so. Wow. Where is that? It’s going to be on Zoom online.

Oh, it’s on Zoom. So you don’t even have to leave your living room? No, no. So June 16th at 7 o’, clock. We’ll put that in the show notes. Yeah. So it’s really been exciting. And someone like Michael Jaco, who’s a friend of mine, He’s a former SEAL Team 6 member and instructor and former CIA. He talks about a near death experience where Archangel Michael showed and saved his life. And how he learned a remote view. So he would be in a war and he could see miles ahead and see if the coast was clear. He could see venom.

Means he was saving lives by. That’s an incredibly useful skill. His story is cool. I had a doctor who was in a plane crash who was told she’d probably be paralyzed. Healed herself and she walks perfectly fine. Two people who were in motorcycle accidents separately and they both healed themselves when doctors told them that there was no chin. Yeah. Quantum is also music. I have someone who is in the plant world. You know her, Liz Perkins. Oh yeah. She wrote a chapter of how she communicates with plants. Oh, cool. And her experience of. I have someone else who does does plant medicine.

She’s a psychonaut, they call it. But she helps people with ayahuasca, all that kind of plant medicine, psilocybin and all of Those things and her story of being in the quantum, in that field and healing. So quantum can be anything. That’s why I say to people, you all have your gifts. What? When you release your truth, release your old belief system, forgive. It’s like you have a highway and there’s boulders on top of it. You’re moving the boulders and all of a sudden you just see the finale. Like, what’s ahead of you, what you want to create is right there.

And I have crazy miracle stories to a point now where I think of things that they happen. Wow. And I can’t even explain it. I laugh because I’m like, oh, I think I’d like to do something. And suddenly, two days later, I’ll get a ph. And that sounds to speak it. Synchronicity. It is. The synchronicity is happening. So for me, it’s about like doing the work of seeing the science of seeing people’s blood change before and after and the stories related to that. And also there’s someone in it who’s a nurse, how she uses humor. And she healed herself from third stage breast cancer.

Oh, wow. That’s interesting too, because I listen to Pandora comedy to go to sleep at night. It really helps. I can’t listen to music. I just. My mind will race. But if I listen to comedy, I’m engaged in that, whatever for however long it lasts. And I put it on a timer for 30 minutes. I’m probably usually asleep within 10. So what I also did was I created a landing page on my website that has. Which is. What’s the website? Lisa Minds. LisaMindset.com. okay. And so if you go under books and then we are quantum, because there’s a page from my other book.

You’ll see all the 36 authors. Oh, cool. And they’ve all been interviewed except for two. I saw two left. Dr. Christian Northrup wrote the forward to my book. She’s been interviewed as well. Yep. So I have 36 authors in here all talking about their lives. So it’s much more than just the story in the book. Any final thoughts you want to share before we close? Yeah. I’m doing an event June 16 at 7pm Eastern Time for people who would like to join us. Many of the authors of the book will be there where you can ask questions of the authors.

You’ll be able to purchase the book at a discount. And this is a free event online. It’s a free event on Zoom. Check that it’ll be 888 special price. And it goes up to 1444 regular price. And if you can’t make that event, you can also go on my website and pre purchase, so you get price. Okay. And any of the people who go to that event or pre purchase the book, get a free group. Quantum Healing. I’m going to be doing a healing for all the people who supported the book. All right. I’m signing up for that.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. You are just a wealth of incredibly interesting information. And I don’t know that you see yourself. It reminds me of how you said you did all these miracles. You were walking 7ft to 10ft on hot coals and all these things that you did, but you didn’t really think it was that big of a deal until somebody pointed it out. I feel like that’s what I’m hearing. You’re just doing these incredible things. People’s lives are changing, and you’re just. Yeah. Just another day in the life. I love it. You know what? Because it didn’t all happen at once.

It’s been over time, and it’s. It’s like I want to study. I always want to learn. I meet new people. Yes. And I’m always trying new experiences. Yep. It’s been an amazing journey. And for some of this, it may be too far out there for people. Right? They may. Oh, for sure. But when I said about the book is my hope is that one person’s story will inspire you. One person will give you the inspiration to go. Huh? Maybe I can do that, too. Yeah. That’s beautiful. Wow. Thank you. You’re welcome. Thank you for having me.

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