The Hour With Bishop Jim Breaking Free From The Matrix

➡ Lisa Schermerhorn, a certified hypnotherapist and author, shares her personal journey of overcoming struggles with mental health and learning disabilities. She found healing through hypnosis and energy medicine, which led her to help others. She also discusses the importance of self-discovery and releasing both conscious and unconscious beliefs, including those inherited from ancestors. The conversation also highlights the need for understanding and support for children with learning disabilities, emphasizing that intelligence comes in various forms.
➡ The speaker discovered their intelligence later in life, outpacing their teachers and eventually embracing their intellect. They found their passion in reading and writing, surprising their younger self who struggled academically. They also discovered their artistic talent, which led to an acceptance into a top art school, but their parents’ fears prevented them from attending. Despite this, they remained resilient, appreciating their journey and the guidance they received, which led them to study hypnosis and experience spiritual guidance and miracles.
➡ A woman with 25 years of experience in energy work performed a distance healing on a friend named Jen, which resulted in significant changes in her health. She then performed a similar healing on a man with symptoms of MS, who had been extremely weak. During the healing, she visualized water flowing through him, which initially was stuck but eventually ran clear. The man later reported vomiting large amounts of clear water, which the woman interpreted as the expulsion of harmful elements from his body.
➡ Dr. Hewlin, a therapist, used prayer to help a chaotic prison population, inspiring the author to use prayer and forgiveness in her own life. This led to personal growth, opportunities, and success, including writing a best-selling book and appearing in a movie. She learned to say ‘yes’ to opportunities, leading to unexpected adventures and blessings. The author also discusses the importance of breaking free from societal constraints, or ‘the matrix’, and focusing on love, forgiveness, and compassion, as taught by Jesus.
➡ There’s a significant religious shift happening in Iran, with many Iranians reportedly having visions of Jesus in their dreams, leading to a large number of conversions to Christianity. This is causing many mosques to close and women to reject wearing the hijab. This change is not being reported in mainstream media. The article also discusses the history of the Magi, who were knowledgeable in Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism, and their journey to find the newborn Jesus.
➡ The text discusses the mysteries of the universe, such as how the sun burns without oxygen, and the power of the quantum field. It emphasizes the importance of understanding and appreciating these phenomena as creations of a higher power. The text also explores the concept of abundance, arguing that money is not inherently evil, but a tool that can be used for good or bad. It concludes by stressing the importance of forgiveness, self-love, and maintaining a positive outlook to attract abundance and live a fulfilling life.
➡ The text discusses the importance of spirituality and balance in life, using the example of Christ who was equally spiritual and religious. It highlights the power of forgiveness, sharing a story of a filmmaker who used an Indian prayer of forgiveness to cope with the loss of his son. The text emphasizes that the language of love and forgiveness is universal, regardless of the specific words used. The conversation ends with well-wishes for the holiday season.

Hi, Bishop. Jim. Welcome to the hour. And today our special guest is my good friend Lisa, and great author of In Every Belief There’s a Lie. Lisa Schermerhorn. And that’s one of my favorite books, Lisa. And please tell us a little bit about what you’re doing these days, because I think everybody wants to know. Well, my background is I’m a certified hypnotherapist, and I studied energy medicine for many years. I also studied shamanism. And I always say I didn’t choose this, it chose me because I fought it to the nail. But it’s been an amazing journey that I really love.

And it started out for me 25 years ago when I had a nervous breakdown, and I was going to therapy two to three times a week. No one was helping me. I was really struggling. And someone suggested a hypnotist. And all of a sudden, I started feeling better, and I realized that we have these beliefs that we hold on at a conscious level and a subconscious level. And so all hypnosis does is talk to your higher self, the part of you that has the answers to everything. And I went through years and years and years of searching, of learning different techniques and doing things.

And then when I learned them, when I healed an aspect of myself, then I was like, wow, I can use this to help others. And so that brought me on this whole journey, which has been quite an incredible ride. Well, I know we’ve talked about this before, and I think you have the most amazing story, and you really capture it very well in your book. And every belief, there’s a lie. And to me, that’s one of the greatest books ever written. And you’re very humble. But I’ll tell you why I absolutely love the book Steppenwolf by Hermann Hess.

And it was about the same type of journey that you just described, trying to understand oneself and find oneself and see oneself for who they really are. And Steppenwolf, this man who believes he’s a wolf from the Russian step, which is where the name Steppenwolf comes from, goes through all these hard physical, emotional, and spiritual challenges to find the looking glass where he can see his true self. He looks into the glass, the glass, he sees himself. That changes him, and the glass shatters. And to him, that’s the biggest tragedy in the world, because he’ll never see himself again.

And in your book, you got it right. Hesse got it wrong. Yours was the launching point, once you discovered who you really were, to have a great life. And that’s why I love the book so much because I went through a similar journey when I was in high school. And Steppenwolf, the way it ended pissed me off because I thought, well, you idiot, this should be the beginning, not the end. This should be a happy thing, not a tragedy. And your book completed that journey for me because I understood better that I was right as a kid.

And it reinforced my belief that this was the beginning of greatness, not the end of the tragic end that Steppenwolf and Hermann Hesse described. Well, you know, you talk about that, and I think about my own journey that started, really in kindergarten. I had undiagnosed learning disabilities. So if you can’t read and you can’t write and you can’t do your math, and starting in kindergarten, you are lost, because how are you going to do history? How are you going to do all your other classes if you don’t have the basics down? And every year, every time I get a report card every semester, there was always consequences, lots of beatings.

Grew up thinking that I was stupid and I would just daydream a lot. I just, like, didn’t want to be here anymore because I didn’t fit in. I didn’t feel like I belonged anywhere. And I grew up just feeling like this outsider. And it was the shedding of that because I went through so much trauma around it, trying to fit in because I believed that I was broken. And so what that process made me realize, you know, I think about the shattering of the glass, it’s the shattering of the ego, it’s the shattering of who I thought I was.

And for anyone who watches, you know, there’s this show that I’ve been watching called Poldark, and it’s one of those Masterpiece Theater series. And there’s two women that are characters in there, and there’s one who’s this woman who gives her power away to everyone, can’t make a decision for herself, and feels worthless. And then there’s another woman in there who comes from very humble beginnings in poverty and scraps her way and fights and learns to figure things out. And I was just saying to a friend of mine, I said, I feel like that was my life.

Like I spent so much time giving my power away and not having a sense of self and not thinking that I’d ever accomplish anything, to just learning to figure it out. And after a divorce of 30 years, 29 years, and starting my life over in 50, and that was terrifying. That was absolutely terrifying. And going through the process of learning to believe in myself and Allowing myself to go through all this and really get raw, you know, getting to that sense of, who am I? At the deepest level. Level. And one of the greatest lessons that I’ve learned is the importance of the state of neutrality, like, not getting pulled in any direction.

No drama. And that’s where the manifestation starts. But you have to be able to not only release your own beliefs, conscious beliefs, but the unconscious beliefs as well, because we actually inherit beliefs from our ancestors, so those traumas can be passed down generationally. And what I found is, you know, so many. So many beliefs that were unearthed from all aspects of my family. And that has been freeing because when you do it for yourself, you’re also doing it for the subsequent generations, your children and your grandchildren. And that’s the greatest gift. Well, I think that’s such an awesome thing, and I understand what it’s like to grow up with the learning disability.

Yeah. I couldn’t read out loud until I was 64. Really? Wow. I couldn’t read that slow, and I couldn’t talk that fast. So I’d be all over the page anytime I tried to read out loud. And it was just. How did you get through West Point? Well, I didn’t have to, because you’re obviously smart. I didn’t have to read all out. I could read silently. Okay. And. And I took a speed reading class in high school, which I got up to about 1700 words a minute with 99 comprehension. Wow. You know, so that made all the difference.

But until I took that speed reading course, I had a great deal of difficulty just reading. Wow. Because I can’t. I still can’t read one word at a time, but I can read a line at a time or a paragraph at a time if I’m really awake and into it. And. Well, and that’s so much easier for me than trying to do each individual word. And one of the things that I prayed about and asked God to help me with was as a. As a priest and a bishop, I have to read out loud during service.

Oh, wow. And it wasn’t until I was ordained and reading and having to read for part of a service that I could actually read out loud. And I get that miracle. But if I’m overtired, I have to have someone else read for me, because I can’t. I can’t go that slow. So interesting. It’s so interesting how our brains work. Yeah. And when you’re bigger. I was a very big kid, very young, so I was like the big dumb guy, like, baby Huey type. Yeah. So I, I can relate to how, how you felt and you know, it’s a, it’s a message for the parents.

You know, you don’t really know how smart your kids are because you don’t really understand how they see the world. So be encouraging and you’ll make the trauma less. But if, if you know that they’re bright but they can’t get, do something like read. It’s not because they’re dumb, it’s because they’re wired different. Yes. And there’s actually. Dr. Howard Gardner, who is a Harvard professor, talks about the nine different types of intelligences. So you have people who are athletes and this is the other thing developing athletically. There’s so much pressure on kids to be these superstar athletes at very young ages.

And they have these travel teams and then they take the kids away from their families. So there’s no family dinners and family vacations because if you miss a day and you’re, you know, 10 years old and if you miss a game, you’re off the team kind of thing to me, which always aggravated me because it would get younger and younger and younger. Some kids don’t really physically develop until they’re really more teen, you know, in the teen years. And the pressure on these kids, you know, it’s the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. So yeah, I totally agree with you because I didn’t realize that I was smart.

It wasn’t until I had my nervous breakdown and I was in my 30s when all of a sudden I’m taking these classes and I’m like getting it faster than everyone and I’m learning faster than my, you know, than my teachers. Like I was outgrowing my. I had to constantly find new instructors because they would get mad at me because all of a sudden I was asking questions that they couldn’t answer anymore, you know, and I had to step into that and own that. It took me a long time to really own that, that I was actually smart.

And personally I’d rather be a late bloomer anyway. Yeah, yeah, I couldn’t stop reading once I found my niche, like what I was passionate about, it was incredible. And the idea of actually writing a best selling book, you know, if I could have that little girl, you know, my eight year old find out that I actually was writing and speaking on stages and traveling and doing all the things I did now, she would never believe it. Yeah, I remember telling my mom when I was 7 years old that I was going to go to West Point and be an army officer, you know, And I’m.

And she’s. You know, she looks at my report card and I can’t read. I got straight Ds, and they’re just passing me because I’m big and I’m going to go to West Point. But she was very encouraging. No. And then what. What I discovered was I was actually an artist. And. And it takes one person, not necessarily a family member, but someone, mentor, to believe in you. And that’s what happened to me. I was 12 years old in art class, and I made something. And my art teacher was, like, blown away, and she said, you’re actually a really talented artist.

And she encouraged me. I ended up going to Rhode Island School Design for summer program, and they told me that I got in. So I was 15, I was a sophomore going into my junior year, being told that I got into one of the top art schools in the country. And then my parents wouldn’t let me go because they were afraid I was going to become a poor, starving artist and become weird because they had picked me up and I had cut my own hair and I was wearing tie dye, and they flipped out. Oh, that’s funny.

Yeah. It took me a long time to get over that one. Yeah, I bet. Well, I was gung ho about going into the army and going. Going to West Point toward the end of the Vietnam War, you know, so that was kind of a strange time. And. And I’d do it all over again. I would. There’s hardly anything I would change. Yeah, I know. My father went to Valley Forge Military Academy, which they ended up. They. I think they just closed it. This is the last year, I think there was always marching music in our living room.

Yeah. When I was a squad leader, one of the guys in my squad. The junior year you become a squad leader, was a graduate of the Valley Forge Military Academy. And he was a pretty squared away kid, you know, so it produced really good candidates for West Point, vmi, Citadel, and other schools. Yep. No Navy mentions. My late wife’s father and grandfather were Naval Academy guys. I love the Navy. My dad was in the Navy during the Great War. Oh, wow. And he was a chief, a radar repair guy in a forward position. She ran out of the bunkers during the big bombing on the Marshall Islands and dragged guys in.

And he was the middleweight champ of the Navy during the Second World War. Wow. Wow. His little. His little brother was a frogman during the Battle of Normandy, and his older brother was on the second wave on Omaha Beach. So I grew up with some pretty tough men. Wow. That’s a lot. That’s a lot to live up to. Well, it was fun. You know, once I got the paratrooper wings, you know, I was in. That’s not for me. Well, you do. You do some stuff that’s not for everybody either. I mean, you really delve deep with, you know, divine energy.

Yeah. You know, there are people who are Christians who hear about the kind of stuff that you do, and they. They think it’s voodoo and evil. I’ve been told. I’ve been told all of that. You know, I understand that the good energy that you deal with comes from God. Well, I’ve told you this story. Oh, I’m sorry. Go ahead. And that, you know, and it’s very important for people to understand that God gives gifts and people can use these gifts for good like you do. And it’s beautiful because you help people. You know, it’s easy to stand back and complain that, well, this is different and weird and it must be evil.

But, you know, when you actually do things to help people, you’re doing God’s work. Well, thank you. So in many ways, you’re a minister. You know what? I think that I do minister to people. There’s a lot of information that flows through me, and this is where I like to make the distinction. I have a lot of wisdom from my life, going through what I have in my life. It was not an easy time, but a lot of the information comes through me. It’s not from me. That’s where people really need to understand that when I do my work, it’s been guided.

It’s always been guided. And I’ve learned to look at the breadcrumbs. I have so many stories of being guided when I was studying hypnosis. The woman who trained me was a former Episcopal nun, and she was very devoted to Mother Mary. And there’s a place in Bosnia called Magigorje. And she made regular trips to Medjugorje, and I was in the class, and she would regularly channel Mother Mary. And she said, this was the craziest thing. She said, you know, mother Mary’s here. And I would smell roses. It was crazy, because I could literally physically smell roses every time she appeared.

And she said, mother Mary tells me you’re going to Medjugorje in five years. What I’d never heard, number one, I’d never heard of the place. Number two, I was raised Jewish, so I’m like, isn’t that a Catholic place? Like, why would I be going? And her response was, mary was A Jewish mother too. And I just laughed. Yes, she was. So this was the interesting thing. Four years later I had the opportunity to. I was talking to my ex husband. I said, Our 20 year wedding anniversary is coming. I love to travel. He was not a great traveler, but he loved motorcycles and he raced them.

So I asked him if he’d be willing to go on a trip to Europe. And he said yes on the condition that I would ride on the back of a motorcycle. Good for him. I agreed. I agreed. And he said, you do your research, I’ll do mine and then we’ll come together and decide where we want to go. So he went to a motorcycle rally and came back and hands me a brochure. And he said, here’s where we’re going. I found our trip. Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia. Five years. Five years exactly to the month it was maybe.

And five years May. I was in Bosnia at Magicorje. But then there was a whole other story of miracles of getting there because I was with a group who didn’t want to go. So I have, I’ve had these kinds of things. And here’s the crazy thing is my day of miracles, I call it. That happened where we kept getting guided because no one in the tour group wanted to go and rioting into Bosnia, where all the languages and Cyrillic you can’t understand and it’s a former Soviet country, so no one understood English. So the idea of riding in a motorcycle and you can’t read the signs, you can’t understand anything.

And going and leaving your group is scary. And the GPS didn’t work very well. This was a while, this was 20 years ago. So the miracle of all the things that happened that day that allowed it to happen. And it’s how you see the world because to me it was my day of miracles. To my ex husband, it was a day of I got to get this day over with. I just need to please my wife so I can get this over with. But missed multiple miracles that happened that day. And that’s where it’s the lens of how you see the world.

Where you refer to the crack lens that ended his life versus to me, that’s the shattering of the ego and allowing your true self to step forward and going to the difference. Yeah. And the quantum healing work that I do is not me. I can’t do that. It’s intention. But I started having this ability that this energy would flow through me and every time I got challenged be told that the person who trained me said, oh, you can only do this in person. I was like, no, I’ve been doing energy work for 25 years. I can do this at a distance.

And so I did a practice run with someone and she had significant changes. We were checking people’s blood before and after and their blood changed. She had her symptoms changed. It was pretty amazing. And her name is Jen Allen. She’s very vocal about it. She has. I know Jen. Jen’s a good, good lady. And she’s the invent, one of the inventors of skin wisdom. Yes. I use. I use it every morning. Spray it on, it works. She’s amazing. She was my first guinea pig to do like a distance healing. She went to someone who does dark field microscopy.

They check people’s live blood before. And then we did the healing. She went back 10 days later, she checked and the blood was completely different. So she said to me, I have this friend who has symptoms of Ms. And he’s very, very sick. He just spent 11 hours collapsed on the floor in the kitchen, unable to move because he was so weak. Would you be willing to work with him? I said, sure. So I did the healing with him. He had his blood checked. His blood looked a mess. It was really. It’s something called rouleaux, where all the blood cells get stacked on top of each other.

It’s called rouleaux. So we checked his blood, we did the healing. Now, when I do the healing, oftentimes I’ll visualize the other person where they’re at, and I’ll see water flowing through them. And this time the energy wasn’t moving. The water wasn’t flowing through, it was stuck around his abdomen. I’m pushing and pushing energetically. This is in my mind’s eye and I’m pushing and nothing’s happening. And all of a sudden, Jesus shows up in the healing next to me and he’s suddenly helping me push the water through. Now I just kind of looked over. I’m like, hey.

So we. And then the water ran clear. It was really murky and dirty and then it ran clear. Now, I don’t usually tell my clients that, so I didn’t say anything. We met again 10 days later and he said to me, I had the strangest thing happen. So what do you mean? He said, I don’t know if this is relevant, but two days after the healing, I woke up at 7 o’ clock in the morning and vomited profuse amounts of water. Clear water. I have no idea where the water came from. I hadn’t had any water in the middle of the night or before I went to bed, and it was just.

I couldn’t stop. How do you explain that? I have no idea. I know how to explain it. It’s a miracle. And the water collected all the bad stuff, and it was time for it to leave. Right. So the water inside, because you froze for a minute. So the water inside his body collected all the bad stuff, and then the body expelled it. And it’s a miracle. That was part of the healing. Right. I’m a conduit, too. When I do exorcisms. Yeah. I don’t do them. God does them. And I’m the pipe between me and the right poor soul.

And when it’s time for the evil ones to leave, they get vomited out or. Or coughed out. And so the vomiting was the releasing of all the bad. The purging. Yeah. Yeah. And you talk about Mother Mary. This is a brown scapular, and it’s spiritual armor. And in the 1200s, the Blessed Mother, who was much more than a birth vessel. There’s not a Jewish mother in the world that’s just a birth vessel. As you know, the dumbest thing that any Christian says gave that to St. Simon Stock, who was a English abbot. And it’s a habit, and it’s spiritual armor.

She says whoever dies wearing the scapular, she’s told by Jesus to do this will not suffer eternal fire. And. And it’s basically part of the history of all the Christian churches, and yet the Christian churches don’t tell people to wear these. Now, Father Hubert schiffer and his eight, his seven priests who were in this little wooden chapel 600 yards from ground zero when the first atomic bomb went off, had their scapulars on, and they were praying a prayer called the Rosary, which has a lot of Hail Marys in it, which the first half, the Hail Mary is right out of the first chapter of St.

Luke’s gospel. These guys, everything around them was destroyed for miles. Their chapel wasn’t hurt, and they all died decades later of old age. And you think that the churches would talk about that, but they don’t. So they don’t really understand energy. They don’t understand healing. They understand money and control. Right? And so those of us who do the healings or the exorcisms that they won’t do, we’re looked down upon in a way as kind of like freaks or heretics. And yet the apostles did all these things. It’s in the Acts of the Apostles, you know, James and James and John at the temple Shortly after the ascension of Jesus, they cure the crippled guy who goes around dancing and they get put in prison for doing it.

I mean, that’s how dumb people can be. Well, it’s the idea that that’s been drummed into our. And we’ve been programmed that we have to look outside ourselves. Right. That we are not capable. And there’s so much misunderstanding about the message, his message. And, you know, people would say to me, I remember when I first started doing this work and I became a Reiki master and there was a evangelical born again Christian who was working with my son. They were working out at the gym. He was training him. And he said, I heard, you know, your mother does this Reiki that’s, you know, she’s a witch, she’s of the devil.

And I had to stop his work with my son because I was like, this is not okay. You can’t tell. I said, who are you to tell my son that my. What I do when I’m helping people is work of the devil? And. And that’s the great misunderstanding is that God works through us. Yes. When I start to say that I’m doing it, then I lose my abilities because it’s not. It’s not me. I need to be a clear vessel. My work is to be the clear vessel. Because if I have belief system that I’m worthless, that I’m stupid, that I’ll never amount to anything.

When you get into the quantum field, you know, they talk about the law of attraction. You have to feel it and know it. Then it comes to you. And we all are trained to do the opposite. It’s like, I’ll believe it. You know, I’ll believe it when I see it. But you have to see it in your heart and believe it in order for it to come to you. Well, I love how you explain that, because it’s really quite. With. With God, all things are possible. And if we’re obedient, God uses us to help others. Yes.

And, you know, there was nobody that was more counterculture during his time on Earth than Jesus. Right. I mean, when you look at the Our Father, for example, the way he actually said it in Aramaic, which was great work. Discovered by Dr. Greg Braden. As far as I know, he was the one that discovered it. But he said he got it from somebody else, but I have no idea who he got it from. But I love Greg Braden. I think he’s one of the most brilliant people on Earth. Yeah. Our Heavenly mother and Father, birth of the cosmos.

And then you have that Nice Jewish upbringing. And I mean that sincerely. Where you’ve learned that God. God told the voice. The voice of God told Moses that his name was Yahweh. Yao is masculine. And the way. Part of I am, that I am is feminine. So God is both father and mother. So if God is both father and mother, how come they’re not women priests? There were women priests in the early church. Right, but women are also portals. We bring. We bring, you know, life into the world. We are literal, physical portals where the soul, you know, part of the creation of God.

Exactly. It happens in a woman’s womb. Not. Not in a man. No matter what you do, you really can’t build a baby inside a man. Which as a man I’m really grateful for because I’ve seen what childbirth is like. I’m a tough guy, but I’m not that tough. It’s true. It’s true. It’s a lot. It is my daughter. My daughter’s about to give birth to my first grandchildren child any day. Congratulations. Yeah, I’m really excited about that. But, you know, getting back to Quantum, you know, and the messages, one of the greatest lessons that I’ve learned through everything that I’ve been through is the power of forgiveness.

And I came to it through a friend of mine who was part of this group. And you can do this in any language, right? It doesn’t matter. I just learned it through. It’s an ancient Hawaiian prayer called the hooponopono. And there’s a whole story that happened with this, with Dr. Hewlin. For people who know Dr. Joe Vitale, he was in the movie the Secret Talks about the Law of Attraction. He read this article about Dr. Hewlin, who. What happened was there was a prison for the criminally insane and they couldn’t find a therapist to work at this prison.

And in order to have federal funding, they had to have a therapist on staff. And they ended up hiring him because they were desperate. And he said to them, I don’t work with my clients individually. I just pray over their files. And when he did this, slowly, the entire population that was completely out of control either went to mental health facilities or back into the. The prison population. And I studied with this group. We were meeting on a regular basis. I had a stack of people this thick on index cards, one person on each card that I had needed to forgive.

Because when we’re busy being a victim and blaming other people for our problems, that’s the worst thing that you can do. The gift is to take responsibility and I kept saying, well, this person did this to me. So how is that okay? You know, they hurt me. And then I realized that everyone does the best they can with what they have at the time. And by letting it go, it wasn’t for them, it was for me. And I had someone who I hadn’t spoken to in 14 years. And the only thing that had changed was that prayer.

I was doing it every night. I love you. I’m sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. And I was driving and the phone rang. And this person who was a family member called me and said, I noticed things between us have changed and I want you back in life. How can we make this happen? And I was shocked because the only thing that had changed was the prayer. Yes. So he felt that. So the more I did this, that’s when I’d been trying to write a book for 15 years. The title in Every Belief is a Lie came to me.

Suddenly, the book came pouring out of me. Five months later it was up on, you know, a best selling. It was an international bestseller. And then on top of that, because of that, I got asked to be put in a movie, Zero Limits with Dr. Joe Vitale. It was that the snowball kept happening. Then from there, I ended up going on a vacation for a week to Mexico last year. And I have a passion for traveling. Friend of mine called me and said, would you be willing to stay if I could find us a place to stay? And I said yes, thinking it was just going to be a couple weeks turned into three months and I didn’t have to pay for housing.

Like everything just kept happening. So the miracles happen when you let go and you allow and you surrender. And then the movie Zero Limits took me to Sacramento, California for a red carpet premiere. And I met this woman who is from the Czech Republic and Australia, Renata Angelo. She’s an amazing speaker, coach, healer. And we were talking and she said, I’m doing a red carpet premiere, Prague. Would you like to come and speak? And of course the old Lisa would say, no, how can I do that? And then I just said yes. And then another trip snowballed because then I was asked to go to Marbella, Spain, to the film festival.

And then I. And this was, this was a crazy story because the. The trip to Prague, I was supposed to. The red carpet premiere was supposed to be the 20th of September. Then I found out that Mark Atwood in Ireland was doing a big event and a lot of my friends were going and that was also on the 20th, and they wanted me to come. All of a sudden I got a call from Renata and she said to me, the movie theater just changed the date. I’ve had this date for six months. They just moved it to the 18th.

Can you still come? I said, oh, my God. So then I went to that, flew to Ireland on the 19th and was able to go to that event. Then I had five friends who were in Ireland with me, said, we want to come to Marbella with you. We got an Airbnb, stayed there and extended our trip. Ended up in a movie with Dave Mahoney, who did an impromptu thing. So all of these things snowballed. And then my friend I went to Mexico with said, I’m going to be in Portugal. When are you finished in Spain? I said, I’m finished on the 7th.

She said, I’m flying into Portugal on the 9th. Come join me. I spent a month in Europe. I had no idea. And this is what happens when you surrender and let go. Yes. God blesses you. Yes. And wow, that’s. That is such a wonderful, inspiring story because all you did is just say yes to God. Yes to God. And he just blessed you abundantly, which is absolutely no surprise to me. Yeah. Because he loves us so much and, and wants to bless us, we get in the way. It’s exactly right. And that’s. You know, I was showing you this earlier about spoon bending.

In my book, which I’ll show you in every belief is a lie. If you look at the word lie, it’s in the middle of belief. That’s our programming. What started 25 years ago, I was in this marriage. I was so unhappy. I would cry and pray, pray to God, please take me out of this marriage. What I realized after was I was the one who had to actually take initiative to leave. No one’s going to physically pick me up and say here I needed the courage. Well, in order to have the courage, someone asked me, a shaman that I trained with asked me if I wanted to do a week long fire walking, bending, rebar from my throat, walking on broken glass.

And at the end, to graduate, it was walking on 40ft of fire. And that was 10 years ago. And what was interesting is one of the women, Dr. Solvague Berg, who’s from the movie Zero Limits, did an exercise with me teaching me how to bend a spoon. And I thought, if I had done this 10 years ago, I wouldn’t have had to put myself through that whole week, all week. So it accomplished the same thing. But this is where we get into Quantum, because when you can take a spoon and then go into meditation, hold it at the neck, and you put all of your energy into the neck of the spoon and make it malleable.

Then you bend it. So I. This is stainless steel soup spoon. I cannot bend this back. I don’t, I, I mean, maybe if I, if I really, really struggle. But this is something I do with, with on a regular basis. I do groups to teach people how powerful you are, your thoughts. And this is where quantum comes in. Because you know what you believe. This is how you break out of the matrix. This is how you create your own abundance. Breaking out of the matrix is extremely important. Yeah. So when we’re told we can’t, we say, oh yeah, watch me.

Nicole, our, my love and our friend. Yes. Introduced me to this book, the Pistis Sophia, which should be in the Bible and it’ll never be an organized religions Bible. And 11 years after the ascension, Jesus come back, comes back to earth right after James the Greater, the brother of John the Apostle was murdered by Herod Agrippa. And then Herod Agrippa was eaten by worms. And he, he has 11 apostles and seven women in this, in this upper room. And, and this is being recorded by St. Philip the Apostle. And the first question is, Philip asks, you know, it’s questions and answers.

Why are you here? And he says, I’m here to keep you from the matrix. And that’s the word matrix of the church. He wanted people to be spiritual, not churchy. Yeah, there’s so many people who think that they, because they go to church and they throw money at the rabbi or money at the minister or money at the priest, that they’re good Christians and Jews. No, it’s about relationship. Jesus, God the Holy Spirit, God the Father, want relationship. They don’t want money. Money means nothing to them. If they wanted money, they’d say, let there be money.

They want hearts and love, and we can give that. That’s the best things in life are free. And that was basically the message that Jesus had about the matrix. He doesn’t want us in any kind of matrix. He wants us awake, aware, free, loving, forgiving, kind, compassionate. And that was the whole message of this book. And all the churches look at this as heresy when that was the real message that the Messiah had for everybody. Well, that takes the love God above all things, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. Yep. And then the. And Jesus gave us a third one, that he was the bridge, he was the way to the Father.

Right. It’s just that simple. But that’s too simple for some folks. It’s not really in the Bible the way it should be. I have a question for you because I keep getting snippets of this online and I don’t know if it’s true, but I know that there’s some big stuff going on Iran. Now, Iranians don’t consider themselves Arabs. They consider themselves Persians. Yes, they’re different. And the whole Islamic revolution that came in and took over, what’s interesting, and again, I don’t know if this is true, that they’ve had sightings of Jesus so many that they’re appearing.

He’s appearing in their dreams so much that they’re having thousands and thousands of them convert, that all of these not. What are they called? The, the Islamic, where they pray, the blank. I’m going. Mosques. Mosques are closing, like thousands of them across Iran. And that they were all converting. And now they have all these women who have refused their hijab and refused. And there’s a huge, huge revolution that’s going on right now that no one is talking about. It’s not on the mainstream media at all. Yes, I know about this. Okay? I just got the chill.

So. Yeah, I’d love, I’d love to hear that. And it starts back with the wise men, huh? The descendants of Daniel who stayed in Persia when Cyrus the Great sent his Israelis back to rebuild the temple. Daniel and his buds were too old to travel, but they had family that stayed there and they were Magi. And it was the Magi who saw the conjunction of the king star, Jupiter and Saturn, the Israeli star, that knew that it was time for the Messiah to be conceived and born. And they traveled on the Silk road, which was 1700 miles to.

From Babylon to Jerusalem to look for the newborn king. And they were masters in Judaism, Zoroastrism and Hinduism. And they knew more about the Messiah than the Jewish scholars. They just didn’t know exactly where they were going to find them. And there weren’t just three Magi, there were some, according to the Persian documents, somewhere between 12 and 50 Magi took the trip. A caravan traveled about 20 to 25 miles a day. They had an army of soldiers protecting them because they were smart and lots of supplies because it was a three month trip there and a three month trip back with a little travel time.

And it really, it really gets into St. John the Baptist’s Father Zachariah was part of the Bajal, which was the eighth order of priests, which meant he was in the temple when the angel appeared to him in the holy of holies, late May, early June, Mary gets told that her relative is six months pregnant. So she gets told around December. So Jesus must have been born in the fall, early fall, like September 11th. Yeah. And the stars line up for that. And four months later is around Christmas time. And the Magi stayed there for the 12 days.

And Herod’s spies are watching all this. They leave. Joseph has woken up in a dream. He leaves while the spies are going back to get the army to kill Rachel’s children. And the Persians know all this because it’s in their documents. And now Jesus is appearing to them, telling them that he’s the way, the truth and the life. So there is a massive conversion to true Christianity going on in Persia. And after Jesus was a 12 year old boy in the temple, he had to get out of town for a while because he exposed too much of himself to the matrix of the Jewish religion.

Yeah. And the Magi took him back to Persia and taught him spirituality and Hinduism, Zoroasterism, and you can see aspects of that spirituality and Christianity. And this is how wise the Magi were. They gave him gold first as a baby for his kingship, the King of kings, they gave him frankincense, which could only be offered to God. And they offered Jesus, baby Jesus, frankincense, because he, they knew he was the son of God. They knew he was the Messiah long before St. Peter spoke it. And Myrrh, because they understood Psalm 22, that he was going to die on the cross.

And with that history and the enlightening of Jesus motivating them, there’s a massive, massive conversion to Christianity going on in Iran, which was one of the greatest nations in the world for centuries. That’s Mesopotamia, isn’t it? Yeah, yeah. Iran and Iraq were called Persia and you know, there were the Persians and the Medes and all centers around the Book of Daniel. And it’s really quite a fascinating story and, and you just gotta love it. Queen Esther, the story of Queen Esther comes from there. Yeah. The writing on the wall with belters are, you know, profaning the holy items of the temple that comes from there.

There’s so many great stories. The hanging of Haman on the pole, it wasn’t he was hung, but he was impaled. That’s how they hung in those days. Which is why we don’t, which is why we don’t want to sit on a fence. We want to choose good over evil. And you know, there’s just so much there that it’s A wonderful thing. Yeah. I just find this so fascinating in that not a lot of people are hearing about this. So I was hoping for people to you know if this was true or not. So, yeah, thank you for sharing your insight on that.

And yeah, I think one of the most important things and why I’m starting to work on this book is the idea that we can create our own miracles. And the whole thing around zero limits is that we have zero limits. We can create whatever we want. Well, I could say, would I become an Olympic track star tomorrow? No. Within limits. Maybe my next lifetime if I agree to that. But I think about what I’m here to do, what we’re all here to do, because we all have something really special that we have to do and to allow that and to get out of your own way and to let go of the fear around it.

And when you look at quantum, my daughter had said to me when I was doing this, started doing this quantum healing. She’s like, mom, you know, what is this quantum thing? I don’t understand it. And that’s what initiated this whole idea of doing the book. Because everyone expresses quantum in a different way. Right. Dr. Carrie Maday talks about her faith and God and how she healed herself from a plane accident where she thought she was going to have to have her leg amputated. Michael Jaco, who was SEAL Team 6 and CIA operative, talks about how he used remote work viewing to save people’s lives.

To see ahead so that, you know, they would know where the enemy was. Two completely different stories, but they’re all using abilities that most people don’t realize that we have. And this is about tapping into those other senses, tapping into your own gifts. And hopefully I’ll get my act together and finish this book soon. Getting the COVID completed. I got a really cool design and finishing the editing, but probably, hopefully by the end of the first quarter it will be out. That’ll be great. I can’t wait to read it. Yeah, I’m really excited for people to really understand the stories that we are all, we can all create miracles.

If I can honestly have the life that I have now, coming from where I did and people don’t understand how to respond. I didn’t want to be here anymore. Honestly, the only thing that kept me from doing anything were my children and my fear that if I drove in front of a 18 wheeler that I’d be maimed and not killed. And I know it’s not really funny, but honestly, every time I thought about, like doing something, I was like, you know what the worst part would be? Be that nothing would happen to me. And you know what? I honestly had never really felt joy, like, real joy, because I hadn’t come into me.

I hadn’t learned to love myself. And the key is learning to love who you are, despite all the other things that everyone tells you. And when you’re ostracized and when you don’t fit in and when you’re a little different, I look at that as a badge of honor because I don’t want to be like everyone else. I don’t. The people you know who have the beige cars and the beige houses and do everything like everyone else, those are the people who scare me because they don’t even know who they are. You know, I don’t know how many lives we have, you know, because I’m torn between, do we reincarnate or is it all in our DNA, in our blood, these past lives? Yeah.

And it might be a combination, but I know that this is the shot that I have now and this is what counts. And I have an understanding of zero point energy, which to me I also call as sanctifying grace. And if nothing can exist in a vacuum, then nothing can go through a vacuum. But the light of the sun comes through that vacuum of space. There must be a way of transmitting the energy so that we see it as light and warmth. So there’s a lot more going on than meets the eye. And that’s the quantum field.

And what the quantum field can do is beyond any human limitation. So the fact that we’re starting to really learn and appreciate quantum is that we’re starting to learn and appreciate the Creator who created the quantum. Right. Which has an intelligence far beyond our understanding. Yes. And it’s. And if God can say, let there be light and everything is created in an instant, which is constant in the great Torah and the great Bibles, then there’s no limit to what can be done. And the closer we are in communion, physical, mental and spiritual communion with God, the more he can show us because we’re open to it.

But if we’re not open to it, he’s not going to blow our minds. Yeah. You know what’s really interesting, and you just mentioned it because a friend of mine showed me this yesterday, was a brief snippet of an interview where they talked about the sun. Here’s the miracle of the sun alone. Fire. What does fire consume? It consumes oxygen. Right. You take the oxygen out, the fire goes out. So if you have this giant ball that’s burning in space and it’s in a vacuum. There’s no oxygen. What’s fueling it? Yeah, exactly. What’s fueling all the stars if they’re all in a vacuum and there’s no oxygen? If we go out into space, there’s no oxygen.

What is that fire burning? You know, Pretty amazing. It is. It is amazing. And you know, just look at a hand going like this. You can make a machine that’ll move now. It took thousands of years to get that technology, but the. It can’t feel. No, it’s a machine. Feelings are very important. And these devils are trying to take our feelings away and our masculinity and our femininity away because they hate human beings. They’re working for the, the dark side which just wants to destroy the planet and everything on it because that’s their victory against God.

Like they think they’re going to win. What a bunch of morons. Well, they are trying to imitate because they can’t create. No. So they try and steal what’s not real. They’re not real. And eventually it’s all going to fall. Eventually. It’s all falling now. It’s like drinking out of a fire hose. Every time I look at the news and certain social media, I’m, you know, pleasantly surprised at, you know, what is coming out and, and we can’t have it all come out at once. People are going to have nervous breakdowns. There are a lot of people out there who couldn’t handle the truth.

But it is coming. It’s extraordinary what’s coming and I’m very excited. You know, one of the things that, that people look at at New Year’s and I’d like people to have a different perspective. Perspective, because people are always trashing the year before and looking forward to the next year. Are you going to trash 2026 in a year from now or are you going to look at it? What are the gifts? What are the gifts that 2025? For me, it’s more. Please. More. Exactly. More of the same and then some. Because I have been gifted so many things, I have had so many, so many lessons that everything has become a blessing.

And when I see the world as a blessing, even though there were things that were painful that happened, I was able to process them, release them, not go into vengeance, not go into retaliation, but forgive and let go. And when you do that magic happens and you will manifest and you will create an amazing life. I totally agree with that and I think it’s so well said and what I. What I would say is, all the money in the world doesn’t buy an ounce of joy. No, no. Joy comes from your relationship with God and your relationship with others.

I agree. And there’s no greater gift that we get than God’s love and God’s joy. And we get that by being kind and considerate. Yes. But here’s the thing that I want. You know, one of the things that I teach about abundance is I taught a class where I show a mansion, and I ask everyone to tell me about the people who live in that mansion. You know, first I’ll ask, who here wants to make a million dollars a year? And everyone raises their hands. And then tell me about the people live in the main mansion.

They hate each other, they want to get a divorce. They’re getting a divorce, their kids are all on drugs. And I say, you know, you can have abundance. If you think about all the movies and everything that we have been programmed about money, that money’s the root of all evil. It’s what you choose to do with it because you can do great things with it. It’s an exchange of energy. It’s not evil. So there’s nothing wrong with having money. That’s why I want to clarify, because there are happy people with money and there are unhappy with people with money just as well as people who don’t.

It’s all of who you are as a human being and what you choose to do with it. So don’t shy away from abundance. It’s just when you give back, those are the greater blessings. When you help others. Exactly. And, you know, keep. There’s a little unquoted scripture that I really love. Men, meaning the race of men. Men and women are stupid. They worship the creation, not the creator. Money is a creation by man to make the barter system easier. Yeah, I work, I get paid, I go to the store, I buy goods I go to without a medium of exchange.

I would have to work in the store. I’d have to work at the car dealership. I’d have to work with a home dealer. I’d have to go to the farm and do work. Money makes things easier. And that’s all it is. It’s a measure of value. I’ll pay 60,000 for a car, five hours for a hamburger. It tells you which one is more valuable. And you know, in a free market, it’s a. It’s a good thing to have. But if you. If you own money, you can do good things with it. If money owns you, you’re screwed.

Exactly. Exactly. And here’s the other thing. A year ago, I had no, I thought I was. As I mentioned before, I thought I was going to Mexico for a week. My friend does something called trusted house sitters where she does house sits around the world and you stay and you take care of people’s pets for free. So when she found these house sits, we stayed at a bunch of different. And then we met people who invited us to stay at their home. So I got to stay in Mexico for three months and I think I stayed, I paid for four or five nights out of all of that.

So. So people perceive that travel or having an amazing life, you need a lot of money for it. I challenge you. My trip to Europe, Yes, I had to pay for my airfare. But the way things. Will make sure that things come to you need it. When you’re clear and when you forgive and you let go and you. And you trust and you pray, ask, you shall receive. Yes, well. And just to make a final push on that point, if you hate someone, do they even know you hate them? They might probably. They don’t really care.

Maybe not. They could care less. But that hates in your own heart and that blocks your quantum consciousness and your connection to God who wants to bless you, but you’re blocking it. Yeah. So you’re, you’re, you’ve turned your, your disagreement with some former friend becomes your blocking from God and is keeping you in a pit and away from an amazing life. And that’s one of the great points in your first book. Yes. And you know, don’t be your own worst enemy. Love yourself. Forgive so that you can have a clean heart. Yes. Again, this is for you.

Right? It’s for you. It’s not for them. And, and resentment is like, I love the saying is like swallowing a poison pill, expecting the other person to die when you release all of that. Because the way quantum works is if you’re filled with hate, resentment and anger, guess what? You’re a mirror. The world is a mirror for you. So that’s what’s going to be reflected back to you. You have to shift the way you feel about yourself. And if you’re in a place of love and abundance, guess what comes to you. So you have to be that change.

You have to. Otherwise you, you will be miserable. It’s all up to you. No one else has any control of this but you. You’re a sovereign soul. Yes. And like our buddy Brad likes to say, we’re sovereign souls. And what we, what we create in our own hearts, we manifest in our lives. That’s quantum in a nutshell. That’s the Matrix. So we’re breaking through the Matrix. And if you want to live in the Matrix, you’ll never really live. No. And, well, thank you, Lisa. You’ve been such a wonderful guest, and thank you. Spirituality is so important.

You know, when Christ walked the earth, he was just as spiritual as he was religious. He wasn’t more religious than spiritual, and he wasn’t more spiritual than religious. He was in total harmonic balance. And that’s what we need to achieve. And the spiritual work that you do, Lisa, exemplifies that. And I’m so glad to call you friend. Thank you. And a quick story that I forgot to mention earlier. When I was at the film festival in Marbella, Spain, there was a director and producer and director of a movie that was from India. And I talked to him, and he was telling me how he lost his only child, his son, and that he created this movie because there was an Indian prayer of forgiveness that he did over and over and over again that saved his life.

So he was able to move on. And when I told him about this Hawaiian prayer, that was part of the Zero Limits movie. So there is no specific language. It’s whatever language you use for forgiveness and letting go. And it doesn’t matter what language. It’s just what’s in your heart. That’s the true language, the language of love. Yes. Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Lisa. I’ve really enjoyed our chat. I always enjoy our chats. And thank you for being a guest on the Hour, and I look forward to talking to you again soon. Me, too. Thank you.

Happy New Year. Merry Christmas. And Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Merry Christmas. And for our Jewish friends, Happy Hanukkah. Happy Hanukkah. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye. Bye, Sam.
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