Humanity Is Changing Faster Than Most People Realize

➡ Sarah Westall, a business game changer, hosts a discussion with Penny Kelly, a former engineer who experienced a spiritual awakening known as Kundalini. This awakening gave Penny the ability to see, hear, and read thoughts, which she has been studying from a scientific perspective. They discuss the concept of everything being frequency and how this understanding can change our perception of science and consciousness. They also touch on the importance of reducing dependence on systems we don’t control, and investing in physical precious metals to protect wealth.
➡ The text discusses the idea that our mindset, behavior, and even DNA can change based on our interactions and experiences. It suggests that we have different versions of ourselves for different people and situations in our lives. The text also explores the concept of remote viewing and intuition, suggesting that these abilities can be developed and improved. It emphasizes the importance of trusting our own perceptions and feelings, and suggests that our brains operate on frequencies, which can help us connect with and understand different aspects of the world around us.
➡ The text discusses the concept of matching our brain’s frequencies to our target’s frequencies, which can be achieved through a calm, meditative state. It also delves into the history of societal structures, highlighting a time when matriarchy was prevalent, and men were the primary caretakers of children while women held positions of power. The text suggests that understanding this alternative history could help us strive for a more balanced society today.
➡ The speaker discusses the historical importance of women, referencing archaeological evidence and books that suggest women once held significant power. They also express their belief in the potential for balance and equality in society. The speaker identifies as a freedom-oriented individual, advocating for smaller government and individual liberties. They also discuss their spiritual journey, moving away from traditional religious structures to a belief in the power of consciousness and energy. They believe in the potential for healing through frequency shifts, suggesting that understanding and controlling our consciousness and energy can lead to significant personal growth and change.
➡ The speaker discusses their ability to read and understand people’s energy, not their thoughts. They believe that when two people meet, they exchange energy, providing a deep understanding of each other. They also talk about their experiences with Kundalini, seeing lights around everything, and having the ability to move in and out of their body. They believe they came from elsewhere in the cosmos with a team to help Earth transition into a more expansive consciousness. They also mention that the planet is going through significant changes, which they believe will lead to a big transition in the next 20 years.
➡ The speaker shares her unique experiences with mysterious beings known as the “little men in brown robes” who guided her after a spiritual awakening. They showed her visions of the future, including significant changes in government, business, and health crises. She also mentions a potential major event in 2027 and encourages preparation, likening it to Noah’s Ark. The speaker, Penny Kelly, teaches and shares her insights through various platforms, including her website and YouTube.

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Welcome to the Thrive Hour on business Game changers. I am Sarah Westall. I have Penny Kelly coming to the program. Someone. I’ve been wanting to talk to you for a while. I feel like I know her, like I’ve known her forever. It’s kind of weird how I feel that way. But she. She’s an interesting person. She’s was an engineer for Chrysler and then had this awakening. She calls it the Kundalini and that it enabled her to be able to see and hear things and read thoughts and she’s going to explain the whole thing. And because she’s science background and engineering background, she went on this mission trying to understand it from a scientific perspective what actually freaking happened and how all this works.

And she talks about how DNA, through the years they’ve realized, they’ve done studies that show that you’re. When you go through these shifts that your DNA itself changes. She talks about people with two different personalities, how they’re DNA like they’re physically different and depending on where they’re at. And it’s a fascinating discussion about who you are as a human being. I’m not asking everybody to believe everything she says, but it is something that’s extremely interesting. And how does this relate to the understanding of consciousness. We know that everything is frequency. Everything is frequency. When you understand everything is frequency, how does that work? And how does that change our understanding, our paradigm of science? And what does that mean about our ability to understand our own consciousness and our own frequency and how to manage that? She believes that you can control yourself your own frequency, and you can resonate with others on their frequency level.

She explains how remote viewing works and you know, how you connect to a frequency. So this is, I hope you keep your mind open, at least enough to listen and to maybe go either A, it’s entertaining, B, you go, wow, I want to learn more, or C, it’s just not for you. And that’s okay, I don’t care, it doesn’t have to be for you. But it is something that we should be thinking about because we know the intuition is real. We know remote viewing is real. There’s just too much evidence to show that it’s real. Now there are groups of people can’t do it who don’t know how to do it.

Not because I don’t think they can. It’s because they haven’t allowed themselves to. And there’s whole groups of people that claim it’s not consensus, consensus, scientific consensus doesn’t exist that it’s real. I think that’s because they can’t do it and they don’t want to believe that it’s real. And they’ll ignore all the, the piles of facts that it is real. For some reason, I don’t know, maybe they don’t want people to know that it’s real and there’s some other force behind. I don’t know. But there’s enough information out there now and enough evidence to show that this exists.

And so this is a wonderful conversation. We talk about how we can get everybody to thrive. How do we get all human beings to thrive. She goes a background that’s going to be offensive for some people as far as alternative history, and I hope it’s not. I hope it doesn’t offend you. And if it does, then just don’t watch it. And maybe you can watch another, other Thrive episodes. But she goes into her truth and what she believes history really was. And for people who have heard this for the first time, if it doesn’t match with what you believe for some reason, that can be offensive.

I just ask you to at least give it a chance. And if it’s true, then how can that be offensive? You know, truth is the truth, and if it’s not true, that’s fine. Talk in the notes. Don’t insult her. Don’t insult me. Talk about the issue. Talk about what it is, the substance of what we’re talking about. So before we get into this wonderful conversation, we are going to talk about Masterpiece. I am told that through all the people that are reaching out to Masterpiece who’ve been taking this, they’re talking about how they can dream better.

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Get it up, give it a five star. And I also want to tell you she has this third, fourth and fifth dimensional differences between, you know, frequency. And I’m going to be posting that on my sub stack. So if you go to sarahwestall.substack.com you can find that there. We talk about it during the show. Also, sarahwestall.com my sub stack is embedded on the front page of my, my website, so you can find that there as well. So let’s get into this fantastic discussion I have with Penny Kelly for Substack subscribers. There’s an extended version of this interview that you can watch there.

Go to sarah westall.substack.com or use the link below. Hi, Penny, welcome to the program. Hi there. It is really wonderful to be here and hello to everybody out there. I feel like I’ve known you forever. We have a lot of. I have, you know, mutual friends, and I’m like. I just feel like I’ve. I know you already, and. But this is the first time I’ve had you on the program, and so I’m so glad that you’re here. But you have a remarkable skill where your intuition is off the charts. Right. You just. And can you talk a little bit about your background? I mean, I know you work with a lot of people.

You’re a life coach. You work with people, and you really help reframing kind of what we’re. The world that we’re in right now. Gosh, I hope so. I know. I know. The intuition, that’s. It’s a long story. It goes back to. It’s one of the results of having had a full awakening of conscious consciousness, which is called Kundalini. I had never heard of that. But once that occurs, it changes you overnight. And so overnight, I was clairvoyant. Clairaudient. Wow. In and out of the body, able to be in two places at once, all sorts of things, and knowing things that I.

It’s like, I don’t want to know that, but I know. Yeah. You end up finally, you know, after many years of struggle and trying to go back to the way that I was, it was finally like, okay, what can I do with this? You know, let’s be a little more scientific. I love science. Love it. And I had. At the time that Kundalini happened, I was an engineer for Chrysler, and I thought I had my life all planned out. It was. It was beautiful. It was perfect. I had my dream house. And then, boom. When consciousness awakens, you’re a different person.

And that’s true not only mentally and emotionally, but physically. You have different chemistry. Oh, wow. Your chemistry changes, actually. Yeah. I think your DNA changes also. DNA is not what they say it is. So there have been tests that have been done on people who have. What do you call, split personalities. Yeah. Multiple personality disorder. Yeah. And so they did DNA tests on one of those mindsets of that individual and then had that individual switch to another version of themselves. And the DNA test that came back from that was different. And so we need to, I think, understand that we are much more flexible, much more versatile, much more responsive to everything happening.

And so I often tell, you know, my students, it’s really, you have one version of yourself for your mother and one for your father and one for your teacher and one for your boss and one for your best friend and one for the, you know, the person who drives you up the wall. That DNA for each one of those is a little bit different. That mindset, that behavior, that chemistry, it’s very different. And so we get into what I call singular personality disorder, where we try so hard just to maintain ourselves in one little bitty narrow rut.

And we maintain that for our whole life. And. And people are miserable in that rut and they can’t give themselves permission. Some of it is, you know, they’re very religious and they’re afraid of what the religion will say. Some have fierce families and they can’t deal with a family. Some have jobs where they’re like, okay, I don’t think this will go over well if the people I work with knew. And so they stay in those ruts. And what happens is we get to where this world is at right now, where it’s coming apart at the seams, because the human being is meant to evolve and to evolve continuously and to evolve into a very awakened state of consciousness.

And you have different skills, different. Some people say, you know, where’d you get all that power? I’m like, what can I say? It comes with being human, but you have to develop yourself in order to get to some of those skills and some of those gifts. And so. Well, I’ve been working on. I’ve been working on remote viewing and when I first started, you know, I get some stuff. But it’s kind of interesting how on target I am now. And. And it’s. It’s just for me, I did it more because it’s. I. I needed a. Something to slow.

I wanted to understand it first. I’m like, okay, I can’t just talk about. I want. I interview. I want to. Let’s dive into something and really learn it, right? And. And really understand what all this stuff is about. It can all humans do. We all have this ability. And I actually felt like I was learning, you know, like I would just have these things where I had to do it and. And many things where I would be the first in the world to present something right? And that was the whole point about business game changers being on the edge of stuff.

But it was too easy sometimes, right? It’s like that doesn’t. What is going on here? And. And so I wanted to say, okay, I want to understand this. How do I. And it’s different than I. What I thought it was, right? All this me. It’s different than what I thought it was. I don’t feel that there’s some. Something out there controlling me or some. It’s Just really tapping into very subtle, very subtle things. And for me, right, And I’m learning, and it’s interesting how. How on target I am. And the more I can let my ego go.

Because everybody has an ego, right? And I always had this need to be perfect, you know, like, I got to be good at it, you know, but you got to be like, okay, I don’t care, whatever, and you just let it flow. And that’s when I do a better job. Yeah, that’s true. I think one of the comments that I hear most often, like, when people are. I teach these classes. And so intuition one is just introducing people to the brain and how it works and the science of consciousness. And they often say one thing. I hear this over and over from everybody.

Oh, I thought there was one way to perceive one. Right answer. And it’s really, how do you perceive and what do you do with that? Inside, there’s a language of energy that we’re swimming in this ocean of energy. And you have to be able to, you know, understand the language that you’re floating in, because everything is a symbol of energy, and it has a meaning attached. So when you’re not real good with, you know, with remote viewing or with clairvoyance, you can still go after information. Consciousness is going to do what you ask it to do, and it’s going to present you with something, a scene, you know, what you think of as an answer.

And so people say, well, what I saw was this. The next student says, well, I saw that. And somebody else says, I saw something different. And they all have some aspect of the thing, of the target, that is the most. I’m going to say that the quickest, easiest way for them to connect to that target because they have to make it through a whole bunch of filters. We have. All of us have a million filters in order to filter out the truth. So when you’re going after the truth, you have to get through all those filters.

But you never try to say exactly what you see. You don’t try to name it. You just say, this is what I’m perceiving. This is what I’m hearing. This is what I’m smelling. This is what I kind of have this feeling. And you have to trust your feeling. You have to trust your own perception. And that’s the biggest stumbling block for people across the board. So we, you know, we build through all the classes, and people come out at the other end. They’re amazing. Well, I had this guy who’s pretty smart who’s developing this he’s trying to develop this thing, present it for darpa, right, this new system thing.

Without going too deep into it. He claims that there’s absolutely no proof that remote viewing works. And that’s what Grok said, because I could give you hundred. Grok told me you could give me 100 perfect targets. And it doesn’t, it wouldn’t prove to me. And it works because the common consensus is that it doesn’t. You know, it’s not real. And I’m like, how, you know, with what I’m doing, how could I get a target, define it, and be so almost perfect on something that could be anything in the universe over any length of time, and I could even get remotely into it, let alone drawing it.

Right? How is that not enough evidence that there’s something here? Where is that phenomena? Where there is a large group of people, including academia, that wants to reject it and say it’s not true, even though there’s so much evidence to the contrary. Well, you don’t need, if you have a set of beliefs, you don’t want proof. That’s you want your beliefs. And so people who have these beliefs that that’s not real, that doesn’t work, there’s nothing to that. They have their belief, you can work with those, you have to be interested. Or people have to be interested in at least reaching out.

Like you saying, let me try this, let me understand how this works. When you understand the science, we’re at a point where the old science that everybody has understood has been superseded big time. The old science is like, oh wow, okay, so they’re still operating on the old. In the old science paradigm, there’s a whole new scientific paradigm. And that paradigm explains intuition, remote viewing, precognition, all of that perfectly. And because we’re all frequency. And when you understand plasma physics, you get to this point where you, where you see, plus I can see things other, other people don’t see.

Where you understand that, oh, that’s what, that’s, you know, you, the way that you connect is by lining up your frequency set to whatever the target is, and then you’ll get impressions. Your whole brain operates on frequency. There was some research done back in the 60s. A couple of surgeons opened up people’s heads, skull doing brain surgery and start poking around like, where’s the picture of the elephant? Where’s the picture of the car? Where’s the picture of, you know, the, the nasty mother in law or whatever? And they couldn’t find anything. People literally thought back then that if you Opened up the head, a bunch of, of cards would fall out and each one had a picture on it that showed whatever the person was thinking.

And what they realized was that a set of frequencies was what triggers. So when you look at something, doesn’t matter what it is because everything is made of frequency. Your brain is picking up those frequencies. And once you have looked at something, heard something, felt something, you’ll have a pattern of frequencies in your brain that every time you see that thing, that set of pattern, that set of frequencies in the cortex gets triggered. And, and so the, you know, the idea is to match your frequencies to whatever the target is. And it’s just that simple. And that’s why it works like you have to almost meditate and get into a calm, just let it flow because then that allows your frequencies to match that to, to connect with it.

Okay, right. And then you have to let go some filters. You know, I shouldn’t be thinking about that. I shouldn’t, you know, that’s, you know, you have to get past a lot of stuff. A lot of people have a lot of hang ups about different things. When you start to develop consciousness, you’re going to run right smack into the body and all of the illusions you have about the body and all of the false beliefs that you have about the mind and the world around us. And it’s a traumatic awakening of consciousness is not easy. No, it’s not easy.

And are we purposely programmed this way or is it just we kind of stumbled into this environment that’s different than what we are? Like we just kind of migrated there? Or is that a question that’s still you’re trying to figure out? No, that is something that has been programmed into us, remember? Or maybe people don’t know. But back in the early days of Christian religion, before the Christian religion came along, there was a, like a, I’ll call it a global belief understanding that the goal of each individual was to develop the self to the state that they called the Jesus state.

It was state where you became a healer, an intuitive. That was the Jesus within. They called it the inner teacher. They called it. They had a bunch of different names. Yes. So Jesus was a title, it wasn’t a person. And the whole, the whole matriarchal society, this back in the days of the matriarchy was, that was their goal. They kept their eye open for anybody who exhibited a little bit of skill. They nurtured that. They, they got people to connect to one another, to the earth. They had all kinds of ceremonies, et cetera. When was that? How.

How many years ago was that? That was back in the, like right up to in B.C. 1850 B.C. is when it became really, it reached its peak and then it sort of petered out over the next 2,000 years. And then at the 2000, right, where we have moved from B.C. to A.D. there was a men’s movement that really kind of stood up because back in the matriarchal days, men stayed home, took care of the kids, did the garden. Really. Yeah, it was just the opposite of what we have now. And some of the early historians, a lot of that has been well hidden.

But few of the early historians like Josephus wrote because they traveled and he said there are still places in the world. This was, I don’t know when Josephus was about, you know, about what year, but he wrote in his, his papers that there were places where the old system of the matriarchy where women were in power and men were, you know, they were the housekeepers, et cetera, they had no rights. Well, I see. I think that’s wrong too, but. Yeah, but let me. I think anything’s wrong where you don’t empower everyone to their maximum abilities and that you work as a partnership and you love your children equally and stuff.

But let me ask you, women nurse their children. Women have this maternal instinct, right? How, you know, that’s. How did that work? Yeah, how did that work? Where. Because it doesn’t seem, you know, not taking care of the kids should not be a secondary activity. No, you’re right. So women would nurse the children and then. But the day to day care went to the men. It wasn’t like the women were not present or not involved. But men were the primary caretakers because women were the judges, the priests, the lawyers, the business people, they were the ones making the decisions, etc.

Remember the story in the Bible, Abraham was asked to put Isaac on a altar and slay him, offer him as a sacrifice. Yep. And he said no. He’s, you know, something in him gets this kid on the funeral, on the, on the fire, not. It hadn’t lit the fire yet, hadn’t killed the child yet. And something in him said no. And he’s. He attributed that voice to the voice of God. But God is within. God is the voice of love within. And so I think that was when the men of the world who love their children the way women do today started saying no, no.

And men were. There’s a whole lot. I wrote about this in one of my books, but there’s a whole lot of history that we haven’t been exposed to. And there was a long struggle between men and women. When the Catholic church took over, they ended up saying, you know, you have to be celibate. Why? Because they didn’t want any of the priests who are married to women to die and have those women get their hands on the property. They were all about, you know, preventing women from getting into any kind of power again because the women had become corrupt in the same way that the patriarchy has become corrupt today.

So we’re coming to a point where we have an opportunity to think about, okay, how about we do something that’s balanced, that works, that’s beautiful, that’s based in truth, that’s based in honor. We have, we’re facing that, we’re going to have to deal with that. But that. Go ahead. I was going to say I want you to finish your thought though. That whole transition took a very long time and it culminated in the witch burnings. Get rid of those women who have those incredible powers. And so here we are, just a short break from the program to share with you an amazing peptide to help you lose weight.

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This is a new paradigm that. That things could have been different. And maybe understanding that things were different is a way to get to the point where things need to be balanced. Right. Like, it doesn’t have to be one rules over the other or in it that we all raise up. If they can actually see that things were different at one point, then they see that maybe things can be equal. Where can they look for that? Because it’s really difficult to find any information that shows what you’re talking about. In fact, when you look at history, it looks as if we’re at the pinnacle of women’s rights right now.

You know what I mean? I mean, that’s the way they want to make it look like. Yeah, that’s okay. Every period, every era has its ideas about how things used to be. I think the. You have to read some really old esoteric books. Some of the early archaeologists who were writing about Egypt, they were finding tombs. They thought they were tombs of men. They discovered they were tombs of women. And they couldn’t find any tombs where the men were decorated. I mean, there were a few here and there, but the women were the ones. The queens were the ones where they were like, oh, wow, it looks like women were more important than men.

And of course, those archaeological sites got shut down immediately. Well, that’s because the bloodlines and in some ways because you can’t tell where the babies come from. The female lines are the ones that were the ones that were the most reliable. Yeah, and they still are. You know, it’s the mitochondria that. That determine your entire energy system and. And your bloodline, and that comes only from the woman, from the mother. So I think among contemporary writers, the Chalice and the Blade is one of the books that you can read. It’s a wonderful book that calls for.

This is what we used to have. This is where we’re at now. It’s way out of whack now. Like it used to be way out of whack. And we can create some balance and some beauty. There’s another book that’s really kind of hard to read. And there have been huge attempts to discredit the author. She is a professor of comparative religions, I think in Pennsylvania. Her name, she goes, she uses a pen names called Acharya but she has a book called the Greatest Story Ever Sold and that’s an incredible eye opener. And then she’s got all kinds of references cited in there that you can follow that.

Very interesting. There’s all kinds of evidence in Turkey and through Asia Minor that indicates that women were in power and were very celebrated and when the Christians came in, they made they their whole symbol. Well, we don’t want to go there because that might cause you trouble. So. Well, I don’t want to be anti. Because I, I think the Christian ideas are beautiful and I think that’s what we are. That, that is beautiful. It’s just maybe how it was. It’s been interpreted, interpreted. And I don’t think anybody should have power over any. I don’t think one group should.

I just think we should figure out how everybody can thrive and figure out what their. Figure out how everybody’s abilities can grow. And I mean maybe I’m in this naive utopian person, but I don’t see why it can’t be that way. You have to hold that kind of vision or you can’t get to anything even close. That’s right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we can do that. And maybe it’ll work for a minute and then kind of come apart and work for another minute. Nothing is, is set in stone forever. It, you know, everything kind of moves in a, you know, actually it’s not a wave.

It’s like a spiral up. But you’re not this, you’re not this liberal, you know, wacky, far left kind of person. You are actually in a small government, you live in a small city. You’re, you’re actually. Because I’m about freedom too. You’re more like freedom oriented. You’re about a small, small government and, and give power back to the people and, and so people are going to hear this and go, oh, she’s just some far left nut job. And you’re like, that’s exactly opposite of what you are. Yeah. And it’s not political either way. I am. What do they call that? Agnostic.

Agnostic when it comes to. But you are a little bit because you’re into smaller government, smaller communities. You want people to have freedom. That really is a conservative mindset. Being honest. I mean in this world today. Right. And that’s what you live by. But yet you’re talking about ideas that this current conservative movement, a certain Faction of it would be like, think it was blasphemy. Whereas another part of this conservative movement would be like, yeah, that’s exactly what we’re about. We’re about freedom for everyone, not just for certain people. Not certain people get liberty. Everyone gets liberty.

Yeah. Yeah. And. And what is that freedom about? It’s freedom to develop consciousness. And when you get into a real small, narrow rut, can’t think this, can’t do that, can’t eat this, can’t wear that, have to do this, have to wear that, blah, blah, blah, blah, then you are. You’re not free. It’s just that simple. And that becomes a shackle that shackles you for your entire life. And when I. I was raised Catholic, graduated from a Catholic school, it was really. That was a big part of our life between growing our own food because. Because we did grow our own food my whole life and going to church.

It was Mother Nature and the church calendar that ruled my world. And breaking out of the church calendar was really pretty. It took a lot of guts and, you know, a lot of. Lot of tears, a lot of strength that I didn’t think I had, and I did it anyway. Because once consciousness awakens and you see what we’re meant to become, then it’s like, okay, all of that. I look back now at the church, and I think, oh, they have a beautiful set of bones. Bones are the structure of a theory or the structure of a worldview, but there’s no meat on their bones.

And so all of the lot of the things that they teach are close to the truth but not quite true. And the whole thing. Maybe they’re trying to help people that are spiritually immature to get to a place where they have something to believe in. And they’re. They’re firm and steady with that, then you can grow a little bit from there. But they don’t encourage the growing a little bit from there. They encourage. Yeah, you stay right here and you pay us and you contribute and you follow these rules and you support our church and our schools and all of that.

Muslims, same thing. Protestants, same thing. And, you know, I just think that we are. We have just tremendous potential in the human. There’s. Why not have miracles? There have been such blatant miracles in my life that it’s like, okay, let’s make some more miracles. You know, where somebody’s dying and. And so you do healing and. And they sit up and ask for ice cream, and then they don’t die. And they don’t. And they’re all better. And the doctors are like, what the heck just happened? They can’t explain what happened. Why what actually happened is a frequency shift the whole body.

I spent 15 years studying plasma physics and charge density plasma with Dr. William Levengood, who was also told that he was blackballed because he was studying crop circles and animal mutilations and ET stuff. And so I have a huge background in all of that. And he basically proved that. We’re made of frequencies. The liver is one frequency. The stomach is another. The brain is another. Your eyelashes have their own frequency. Your knees have another, and you’re a pile of frequencies. And each frequency zone is called the plasma. And the plasma is what creates the matter, the physical matter.

So when you change the frequency and there’s been a disease or there’s an invader and you remove that with frequencies, then what’s left is perfect health. So we’re coming. I’ve been into the future, and we’re coming to a time where people talk about med beds and. And I’ve seen and been with a number of different healing types, different groups of people who have different approaches to using frequency. And we’re headed in that direction. We’re, you know, it’s coming. I think you’re right. Yeah, I think you’re right. Because frequency, if we’re all frequenc, then we should be able to figure out scientifically, you being an engineer, me being an engineer, you understand a system and how a system works.

If the system is completely frequency, we should be able to understand anything. That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. And the science is starting to catch up with what. I don’t know if we totally get it, but science is catching up with this paradigm, right? This paradigm of what we are and trying to push the other. And once you understand this paradigm, what we are, the other paradigm starts to sound as loony as some of the old ones from 500 years ago. You know what I mean? Thank you for saying that. I think that from time to time, and I think, oh, my God, do they really believe that? And it’s kind of looking more and more like we look back on bloodletting and taking.

Yeah, yeah. It’s like, oh, my goodness. Yeah. Okay. Just shift the frequency. And what is the best, most powerful frequency machine in the entire cosmos? It’s your consciousness, period. So everything is consciousness. Consciousness is the other side of energy. They’re one coin. Energy is the motion of consciousness, and consciousness is the feeling aspect of energy. And so we have all this energy that we’re floating in. And we misperceive and misuse all of it. And the, the goal is to get control of that understanding of your consciousness and energy. And you. You’ve went through an experience where you just.

Your DNA, you say, changed and your whole mindset, change. What can you do now that you couldn’t do before? Like, you say that you can. Oh, you can see. Like, can you. Can you literally read my thoughts or, or you can just read my energy? You can’t help but read somebody’s energy. I don’t read people’s thoughts anymore. It’s most. No offense, this is not directed at you, but most people’s thoughts are so boring, they’re not worth reading. So their energy, however, when, and, and this is something that people don’t really understand. When they meet somebody new, instantly, the two people change places energetically for a split second and then come back bringing a full understanding of that person.

Maybe not their whole history in that first little exchange, but you come away knowing what they’re thinking, what they’re feeling, what they want in that moment. And then, you know, and then you can relate in a way that nurtures that consciousness to be something magnificent. You have to have that kind of approach or you’re just going to be a jerk. And people, you know, they’re gonna like you. They don’t want to be with you unless you have the better intentions for others. Right? You have to, you have to let yourself love that core self. Everybody comes here for a core change.

That core self is that great love. And that great love knows and is open to everything. So, you know, so one of the very first things that happened with Kundalini was I could see lights around everything and flashing lights and other forms of, of a humanoid. You know, I thought they were ghosts. They were other really, just other forms of being. I could move in and out of the body. I could. I could read people’s minds. There was three years. The first three years was unlimited consciousness. And finally, I mean, that is so difficult to manage.

You don’t sleep. So there was no sleep for three years because consciousness is awake. It’s awake. And you have to teach it to, to go back to, to sleep again. So, you know, there was no sleep really. Why do you think you got that experience but not everyone. Why doesn’t everyone get that experience? Why? You know. Yeah, that’s okay. So do I have to be honest about why? Yeah. No, be honest. Why is it that you did and not others? And I talk to other people who feel they’ve had that experience too. Lots of people have.

But they miss all the gifts. They skip over the gifts or they’re too afraid to access those gifts. I think. And this is not something I have admitted to in the past, so I would just say I don’t know. And I could say I don’t know. But I do know at this point that it’s because I came here from elsewhere in the cosmos with a team of people to help the people of Earth make this step, this wonderful step into a much more expansive consciousness, into a fourth or fifth dimensional existence, which is very similar to ours.

But the thinking and the ethics and the values that, and the practices, the behaviors of 4D and 5D are, are just a little bit different from. Well, they’re actually, in some cases, they’re a lot different. But we have to make that shift in consciousness if we want a different world. And so actually I, I have, I have a chart here. I didn’t think we were going to talk about this. The dimensions of reality. And I. It’s a chart that says, here’s third dimensional thinking, here’s fourth, and here’s fifth. And you can compare across the, the, the spreadsheet.

Can I get a copy of that? Yeah, yeah. If you could say, then I’ll put it up on my sub stack, that’d be great. Okay. All right. And. And it’s what you see, you know, when going back to the question of what do I see that’s differently. I see into other dimensions, I can move into those other dimensions. I can experience in those. I have control over my dreaming quite a bit. Sometimes I just go to bed and go to sleep, but sometimes I don’t. I am, I’ll have lucid dreams and move around and make things happen that I want to have happen here.

Because when you do, when you make a change in a dream state, it flows through to all versions of the self that you’re involved in. So there’s lots of, lots of things. Just the ability to, I think. Let me go back to two things that I was kind of skipping over. One of the things that I knew immediately after Kundalini was that I was here on this mission, that I was part of a team, you know, where I was from, why I was here, not just to help the planet make this step, but why I, why I personally took the job.

It’s a job for me. It’s kind of like a graduation exercise. And that job that I want is to be invited to be a group, to be a part of a Team, that’s a group that travels around the cosmos to different, different galaxies and maps planets. What their mission, what their minerals are, their atmosphere, what kind of life they would support and see life in those places. Because one of the things that, you know, once consciousness wakes up is that your, we, humans, humanoids, are responsible for humanoid propagation. Okay. That every animal is responsible for being able to keep its line going, whether it’s a duck, a cat, you know, a fish, doesn’t matter.

They procreate in order to keep their species going. That is true for us as well. And so there are groups of humans who, I call them the Cedars, that go around and they seed life. And so they. My teacher said, you might want to take this because it will give you an inside look at how challenging it is for a third dimensional group to make a step up into 4D or 5D consciousness. And so there’s a team of us who came to. There’s a media team, a medical team, a governance team, governance military, and then there’s another team that we don’t really talk about, but that is that each one of us is involved in waking people up.

You know, my particular thing is teaching people about the mind and consciousness. And hopefully, hopefully we will be able to effect a change before the planet goes through some of its normal planetary things. And the most important time to do this kind of work is right before a planet is going to go through some things. All planets have to keep themselves going. The planet is a living thing, just like we are. Is the planet going through big changes now? Because they’re talking about how we’re in this astrological period of time. That’s pretty incredible. Yeah, it’s the planet.

One of the things that happened in the early days of Kundalini were this group of little men in brown robes who came in and wanted to show me pictures. Let us show you pictures. And I was not very good with them in the beginning, but I ended up finally saying, okay, I’ll look at your pictures. And the very first thing that they showed me was take me out away from the planet and look back at it. And the thing was rolling, it was bobbling. You know how when you go fishing and you have a bobber on the, on your fishing line and the fish bites and it bobs up and down and rolls.

That’s what the planet was doing. And water was sloshing. It was a mess. And, and I, you know, I was, I didn’t think that that was real well, and so I ignored that. They also showed me you know, the future. Over and over again, I saw different aspects of the future. What I now see, because of my interest in science, is that the planet and the sun go through some changes. The planet has to roll every so often to clean herself up. The sun has to blow every so often to clean its surface. So it doesn’t.

The sun is electric, so it cleans its surface so it doesn’t short out. We can’t live without our sun. And so there’s, you know, it’s way more complex than that, but that’ll have to do for the moment. And that that transition is coming somewhere in the next 20 years. It’s a big transition for the people on the planet, and yet it’s the perfect time because of the changing of the energies and the going wild of some of the. Like the Schumann resonance and some of those things. Each time that happens, we have an opportunity to boost our own consciousness using the boost in energy coming from those events.

So will a lot of people die when the Earth rotates and cleans itself up? A lot of people did last time. A lot of people did last time. Yeah. And is it. And so is that why all the wealthy have, you know, deep. They know. They know. They know. They have debunkers. And remember hearing about the big civilization over in Mohenjo Daro? It’s over. India pack. Where’d they all go? At one point, the entire civilization left and moved up into the hills. And now they’re thinking, what caused them to all leave at the same time and move up into the hills? And they’re now saying, we think that they knew something was going to happen along the coastlines, and they did.

And so we have. We have an event that is comparable that, you know, is coming. And I think we can. We. We don’t have to get wiped out. We just need to prepare. It’s like the Moses thing. What do you mean, the Moses thing? Moses. When Moses built an ark and prepared for the water, the flood. Okay, you mean Noah? I’m sorry, Noah. I know. I said, mom, was this Noah? Yeah, the Noah thing. The art. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, everybody. Right. Yeah. You either listen or you don’t. And that, you know, one of the things that I saw in the future with the robes was that there were not very many people on the planet.

And I was like, what. What do you mean? Where. How did all those people. Where’d they go? And they wouldn’t say. All they said was that, you know, most people would leave in the first quarter of the new century, which is right now. And, and I think we’re, you know, they were just giving an approximation. Yeah, we have a pole shift that I think we can survive. We have. There’s people building underground cities to go into, to survive. Those underground cities were known as the arcs. Those were the arks. They say they built a boat, but you think it was underground cities.

Now why underground cities? Is that because the sun had it to clean itself or was it because it wasn’t. Okay, so it wasn’t the water. Because every, every city or every civilization has a flood story. Yeah, they do. And there have been floods regularly. Things happen. The planet has to clean herself. This is, I’m quoting the little men in brown robes. At the time, I was like, what do you mean she’s nothing but dirt? Or how could you clean her? So it’s like, you know, okay, well we’re pretty polluted right now. So the little men in black Ro.

Where are they, who are they and where do they exist? So when somebody has a full blown Kundalini awakening, the danger of a full blown awakening is twofold. One, that the individual will burst into flame and burn up from the inside out because it’s a massive electromagnetic change pulse that moves through. Or they’ll go insane. And I truly thought I was going insane. I could do things that I never dreamed of, that I didn’t want to be doing. I could not control my perception or my consciousness at all. And so it was a long learning curve.

But the little men in brown robes go around the cosmos and they look for people who have awakened. Because when you awakened, your lights turn on big time. And they, they try to help, they try to teach. And they said, you know, you came here for a reason. We just want you to renew your agreement for this mission. And finally, you know, after having a few freak out moments and saying, I can’t do this, this is nuts, you know, who’s, who’s going to listen to me? And they, you know, they, I finally said, okay, I’ll do what I could do.

I’m not going to do anything wild and crazy. I’m just going to do what I can do. I’ll teach. And I discovered I love teaching. So that was like, that was not difficult at all. And, and write, I loved writing. And they said, that’s all you need to do. And so I started and here I am. So that’s fantastic. That is fantastic. It’s a fantastic story. And people are going to be like, what? You know, this is weird, but that’s your story. And You. It is weird. And if you haven’t had that experience, like, okay, this is interesting.

And you know, because how people. But it’s fantastic. This is a fantastic story. So, but are they humanoid or are they just beings that, I mean, who were they? Are they humanoid? I never asked. I so wanted them to go away and leave me alone. That I never asked, you know, okay, who are you and what are you doing in my kitchen? Did they show up physically? Yeah, they did. And they looked like little men, little monks in brown robes. They weren’t. Hardly any of them were as tall as me. They were very short. They had these brown robes.

They looked like monks. And. And they. And they had this amazing glow around them, this light. And they had these amazing abilities. And they took me into the future. They didn’t just show me pictures. I went into the future. 2050, 2080, 2413. They covered 2413. Okay, you’re gonna have to tell us what happened there, but keep going. Okay, so the. What they said was the government, the US Government was going to fall apart, that business was going to change big time. That we would have a major health crisis in the early 20s, 2000s, which we did.

And we would have to. We would be asked to prove that we were healthy before we could get into restaurants or hotels, all kinds of stuff. Almost everything that they showed me has come to pass, except for that. That the planet rolling around and the water sloshing and the loss of big population. The remote viewers claim that there’s a big event coming in 2027. I wonder if that connects to that. Where can people follow you? Where can they learn more from you and get them more about the Penny Kelly stuff? Okay, I’m all over the place.

I have a website, Penny Kelly dot com. It’s also known as Consciousness on fire dot com. But people didn’t like to spell consciousness, so we added pennykelly.com and then I’m on YouTube. I’m on Rumble Bitchute, you know, all those things. And then I have a school. I teach classes. I sell my classes and my books on my Shopify website, which is my, you know, my regular penigalli.com website. But then students end up on mycocolife.com because that’s where the students go to. That’s where they get their handouts. And then they can talk and share after the class is over.

It’s like a regular school. That’s excellent. Well, that is excellent. Thank you so much for joining the program. I’m going to have to have you back, and this was a wonderful conversation, so thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you, everybody, for listening. I hope I didn’t frighten you. I’m just trying to tell the truth as I understand it. And we’re creating a wonderful world, so it’s okay, Sa.
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