How the Vatican Ruthlessly Strategically Hides a History of Crime w/ Former Minister Kevin Annett

➡ This text discusses the struggles of native people in Canada, who are considered wards of the Crown and face numerous restrictions. It also introduces Kevin Anet, a former minister who exposed crimes within the church and the high death rates in residential schools for native children. Despite facing physical abuse and suppression, Kevin continues to fight for justice. The text also mentions Masterpiece, a company that removes toxins from the body, and BPC157, a peptide that aids in healing and reducing anxiety.
➡ The text discusses the speaker’s experiences with Native communities in Canada and the atrocities they faced in residential schools, which were essentially death camps for children. These schools, run by various churches, had a higher death rate than some of the most notorious concentration camps. The speaker also uncovers a history of child trafficking, sterilization, and mass murder, all hidden behind the facade of religion and charity. Despite the speaker’s efforts to expose these crimes, they were met with denial and resistance from the church and government.
➡ The text tells the story of a man who faced opposition from his church and community for exposing injustices and corruption. Despite being fired, defamed, and isolated, he continued his fight, leading to public awareness and protests. His efforts were recognized by notable figures and he was nominated for Nobel Peace Prizes. However, his journey was fraught with personal loss, including a divorce and the estrangement of his children.
➡ The text discusses the struggles of Native people in Canada, who have faced injustices and even death for confronting the government and churches about past wrongdoings. It also talks about the government’s control over the country, including laws that seem to favor the powerful over the vulnerable. The text also mentions the issue of government-assisted suicide and the use of NAD peptides as a potential solution for aging-related issues. Lastly, it criticizes the Catholic Church for its history of protecting child abusers and suggests that people should form their own congregations instead of supporting such institutions.
➡ The text discusses the importance of personal spirituality and the belief that everyone has direct access to God, without needing a religious institution or priest to mediate. It emphasizes the power of love, truth, and living for a purpose greater than oneself. The text also shares experiences of challenging religious institutions and their actions, particularly regarding the treatment of children. It ends with a call to action for everyone to stand up for their liberties and fight against injustices.
➡ The speaker discusses his personal journey of confronting corruption and injustice, particularly within the church. He highlights the importance of learning from tragedies and the power of sharing personal stories to create empathy and understanding. He also discusses the impact of his actions on his family, and the broader implications of ignoring abuse and injustice, using the example of Covid and its origins. The speaker encourages people to visit his website, Murder by decree.com, to learn more about his work and books.
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I’m Sarah Westall. I have my friend Kevin Anet coming back to the program, and those of you who don’t know who he is. He was a minister and he was exposing crimes in the church and was defrocked. And his. It’s incredible. He was exposing the residential schools that happened in Canada and North America. He. He calls them death camps because the stats, the number of children that died in these schools were more than the people that died in Auschwitz. But it’s been buried. I mean, how. How can you have that kind of numbers and nobody really knows about it? He was exposing that.

And he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize numerous times because people were just really impressed with what he was doing. He’s the only minister that’s actually been defrocked the way he has because he was exposing these crimes. I. His story is something that should be before the Internet was taken over by the mainstream and shut down. I know a lot of people are coming into this, into it, thinking they’re waking up. But before eight, 10 years ago, the thriving community and what we were able to talk about and hear about was different. And, and people like him were sharing information.

We were learning new things. So a lot of new people are coming in, and it’s not quite the thriving community it used to be, but it’s starting to open up, it’s starting to reemerge and it’s important that voice, his are heard. I mean he’s been, the stories, the things, he’s been abused, he’s been suppressed, he’s been oppressed. I’ve been shut off on every single platform. But he’s been physically assaulted, physically abused and he’s not given up. And his story is something that’s really remarkable. I’m going to have him talk about what his story is again before we, you know, get into other factors and just hearing his story of, of resilience and strength and, and I, many people are out there who are struggling and fighting and you hear somebody else who has done that and has lived.

He’s been doing this for almost 40 years now and he’s still fighting. He hasn’t given up. And I think it’s a something that’s pretty remarkable. And you can look to that and go, yeah, if he can still fight, I can too. I mean it’s a really a great story. I’m going to have links below to his website. He has a new radio show. He actually has had a radio show for 10 years. He took a six month sabbatical and now he’s restarting it again. It’s every other Sunday, the first and third Sunday of every month. He also has over two dozen books.

One of them, one of his first books is on the history of the Church and the Vatican and how Rome in the third century took it over and pretty much, you know, turned Christianity into something different than what it was originally. And so it’s a really good book for the history on that. That’s the kind of history that needs to be to come out. So much of our history is controlled by narrative. It’s just what they want you to know. It’s not what history truly is. And the Internet is such a great opportunity for us to start learning about what our true history is and to share and explore and to learn.

And we will not grow as a species, as a humanity until we start questioning and learning what our true history is and actually not be afraid. We can’t be afraid. The number one words in the Bible is do not fear. It’s because we can’t be afraid to learn the truth. We can’t be afraid to learn what our true history is. And until we drop that fear, we won’t be able to truly evolve. And so his story is one of not letting fear control you and to go with what you know is right. It’s a wonderful. He’s got a wonderful story and so I’ll have his links below.

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And I will have the link below. It’s called BPC157. I’ll have the link below. Or you can go to sarah wessel.com under shop and use the code Sarah to save 10%. Okay, let’s get into this phenomenal conversation that I had with my friend Kevin. Hi Kevin, welcome back to the program. It’s good to be back, Sarah. It’s really great to have you. I want to so many people used to be on my show more before COVID the world was different. When they said they were going to reset the world based on Covid for those of us who are active and thriving in the online community I boy did they ever change what we’re seeing online, that’s for sure.

And I would say that eight years ago maybe a little bit more. The the community online was thriving and people were learning and there was just so much information going out and they did a really good job shutting that down. And the stuff that’s out there now while there is more, I’m seeing a reemergence of people learning about things. It’s not as deep and as vibrant as it was. Even the new stuff and part of that is knowing who you are. You really came onto the scene. I mean people were you were nominated for multi Nobel Peace Prize.

You were getting so much attention from people because of what you brought forward was just so hard hitting. It was so amazing. And then because of what you brought forward, they really did a campaign against you to smear you and to I mean I’ve got a campaign against me to smear me. But compared to you it was probably pretty tame because yours was physical. Yours was. They actually intruded on your life. But it’s because of what you brought forward. That was just so impactful. So what I was hoping we could do is share with people who you are, because I have so many new listeners.

Share with people who you are, and then we could talk a little bit about what you brought forward and then relate it to what’s happening now. So can you start with that? You know, who are you? Well, I’m. I was born in Canada. I’m of mixed English, Scottish ancestry, but also Indigenous on my mother’s side. And that played. Yeah. In laws or Og. Cree. They’re called Ojibwe and Cree because we were Scottish settlers 200 years ago in Central Canada and we intermarried. That’s why there’s several million kind of mixed blood Metis people just north of you in Central Canada on the prairies.

Right. And that led me into various paths. But eventually I became a United Church minister in Western Canada. 1992, I arrived with two daughters and my wife, second daughter, who’s just born, to take up a parish in the town of Porto Bernie. It’s a lumber town right in the center of Vancouver Island. And it was the last area where Indigenous people held out against invasion, the housing and the West Coast Native people. And when I started as minister in St. Andrews United Church, I looked out Sunday morning And there was 10 people in the pews, right.

And they had hired me to bring in new blood. So I did that. I had a history in community ministry, working on the streets. I knew how to kind of activate people, bring them in, open a food bank. Soon we went from 10 to about 80 people on Sunday. Just people were pouring in, younger people and Native people, because the area is about a third Native, and yet you don’t see Native people in any of the stores, in any of the churches. It’s a really kind of segregated community still. And I went out and started visiting the Native people.

As a matter of fact, in my documentary film Unrepentant, I talk about this, how it all started. I got invited to do a wedding in a native home to an old couple. They’d been living together 30 years, and they finally decided to get hitched. Danny Gus, his name was. And I asked him kind of naively about why there were no Native people in the churches, white churches. And he said, well, they don’t want us. And I said, why? And he took a long time to answer. And he was looking out his window. And I didn’t know at the time he was.

He lived right on the grounds of what was called a residential school, the Alberni residential School. That’s a fake name. They were death camps. They were camps where. And I say death camp, not exaggerating that they had a higher death rate than Auschwitz and Treblinka and the other. And this is for children? Yes. It was a law in Canada from 1896 on that every native child seven years and older had to go into one of these places run by the Catholic, Anglican and United Churches. When did they start? I’m sorry, 1896. Okay. 19 lasted over a century, right up to 1999.

It’s the last one. 99. Wow. Okay. And if they didn’t go up through 1999, was it better in the last or just as bad? No, it was always just as bad. And it was. You know, it was kind of like, Canadians are like this. They didn’t want to know. They still don’t want to know. Okay, so they didn’t go. You started talking, and then I cut you off because I had a question. The parents would go to jail or worse. I’ve talked to people whose parents were murdered right in front of them when they were kids.

You see, the RCMP and the priests would show up in their village and clear out the village of all children. Not just seven years old enough. They grab the newborns. They’d cart them off to these places. Half the children never came back. What would they do with the newborns? Because the newborns aren’t. Traffic them. Traffic them, usually. And it got even more bizarre the more I began to learn. They were also used in satanic rituals, which we uncovered. Links it right to the Vatican. That’s. I’ll get to that in a little bit. But anyway, I found out.

I began to talk to Danny, you know, Gus, and I said, why weren’t there? No why were there no why don’t the whites want you? And he finally turned to me and said, they killed my best friend in that school. He’s buried in the hill back there. There are a lot of kids buried there. They don’t want us in their churches. And that blew my mind. I went back. Would you want to be in their churches if that’s what happened to you? Well, of course not, but I mean. I mean, you’d be. You’d have a whole different perspective on the world.

But keep going. I’m sorry to cut you. Right, But I mean, that’s the thing. When you’re living as a native person in Canada or America, you’re not a citizen under the law. It’s a bit better in America. You can actually be a full Citizen. But in Canada, you’re still what’s called a ward of the Crown, which means as a native person living on reserve, you can’t open a bank account. You don’t own your own home. You know, you’re like a child under the law, which is why you can kill a native person in Canada and never go to jail for it.

The police do that all the time, but you can’t do that in the United States. So we’ve cleaned it up a little bit, like they’re. They can become citizens. And. Yeah, since 1924, an American Indian living on a reservation, you’re full citizen. You have all the rights, but you’re not in Canada. It’s worse in Canada because it’s this whole Crown system, you know, from the British Empire. And so anyway, as I learned these, that’s why it was so important for us to get out from underneath the Crown back at the founding of this country, because they were so oppressive and evil.

I mean, it really was bad. And they were partners with the Vatican. That’s the point. The Crown of England and the Vatican had this monopoly, and still do, on Canadian law and politics. And that’s why they could kill these children en masse, because they were above the law. I learned that. I learned that personally when they finally threw me out of the United Church and they set up their own court that was outside Canadian law to destroy my life, take my kids from me. I’ll get to that. But the thing that caused it was me uncovering this.

I went to my church right away and I said, I’ve heard these stories they told me, because this was before any of the lawsuits had begun brought by these death camp survivors. That started in 19. And I worked with the first group who were suing these churches. And so I went to the church and they said, don’t believe them. They’re making it all up. They don’t like us because we took their land. They’re just lying about it. But I began to visit more native homes. And every home I went into, I heard these stories of children not only being killed en masse in these places.

The main way they killed children is they would take the healthy, put them in with the sick who were dying of TB and smallpox, lock them in, never treat them. Soon the whole ward would be dead. And that practice was described by a Dr. Peter Bryce, who worked for the Canadian government. He wrote a report in 1907 about it. You know, it’s one of the things I published right away to show this was a whole History of deliberate mass murder, genocide. Well, and only about 50% of them made it out, right? It’s about half. Yeah, that’s the.

The. Their own statistics show that I published murder by Decree.com. you can see all the records online that’s been up for many years. So them denying it is so absurd because their own numbers show this. Yeah, but you see, those documents are buried. I found them in the University of British Columbia library, but I was the only person. These microfilms from the Indian affairs department show not only the huge death rate, it has petitions from native parents describing their children being killed. It has sterilization records where they would take children who were speaking their same language and sterilize them so they couldn’t breed.

I mean, that’s what you do when you want to wipe out a people, Right. So I’ve talked to women who had their tubes tied because they wouldn’t go to church. How do you, you know, you were a minister and you no longer. Were you always going to be a minister, but you do it differently now, I think. Different, yeah, but when you look at this, is it just. Is it evil energy? I mean, what is it that you’re seeing and feeling from this? Because I don’t. To me, that is just pure evil. It is. It’s a spiritual battle.

It’s at many levels. I mean, in a basic way, the churches and government did it to grab the land and the resources. It’s about money. But it was more than that. It was about child trafficking, which, as you know, is a huge global industry. And it was also because they hated them. You know, like they, they despised, you know, anyone who wasn’t in their group. And they. I learned that when, when they did in me and my family, that these people are ruthless and they hate having their crimes exposed. You know, like anybody with blood on their hands.

Right. So. But they hide behind. I always say people hide behind charity. The real bad guys, they’re the Satan. You know, I don’t know how, how you frame it these days. Evil energy, Satan hide isn’t above hiding behind Christianity or charities to do their evil work. In fact, it’s a lot easier, isn’t it? I think, in fact, religion is one of the main ways that evil hides itself. And it was interesting you said that because I had experience. One of the members of my congregation, his name was Mark Angus and he was an amazing man. He was very spiritually attuned.

And he came to me just before he was found dead in his hotel room and he said, kev, there’s people in this valley who want you destroyed because of what you’re uncovering. And I’m, I’m. I don’t think I’m going to live through this week because I’ve been threatened. But it’s you I worry about, because this thing that lives behind the churches, that hides itself in these churches, it sees that, you see it, and you’re never going to give up. And it’s not going to give up until you’re dead. And, you know, that was like a very prophetic.

Because that’s in fact, what happened over the last 25 years following that. You know, it’s done everything possible to, to destroy me, and yet it can’t because it’s the one who’s collapsing. I believe that evil can’t sustain itself. It relies on human hosts to do that. And, you know, anyway, I learned this as I went, and it’s, it’s not something you can just. No, you’ve got to be led by this as well as, as this when you’re fighting this thing. Right. Well, so now you, you kept exposing. And I want you to keep telling your story because a lot of really good people realized what you were doing.

Famous people. Noam Chomsky did a. You know, wrote stuff about you. I mean, people were realizing that what you were saying was true. And they were. You were nominated for multiple Nobel Peace Prize Awards. People were acknowledging you. And that really got them on the attack. I mean, it was incredible. Oh, I know. They’ve done incredible things. Just, well, to carry on from the story because the church tried shutting me down and said, don’t listen to these stories. I said, okay, well, I’m going to open my pulpit. I had an open pulpit policy. I invited native people in.

They started coming into the church and the older white people hated that because they were in. They were involved in these, quote, schools. They were still running them. When I got that right, a few of them were still left. And they didn’t like the fact that natives were coming to the church, but I was building the congregation, so they liked that. And I was able to do that for about two and a half years. But then the thing that clinched it was I found out that the native, that the church, the United Church at the time, like the Catholics and the Anglicans, they had grabbed a lot of native land originally, and then they were selling it to their corporate buddies.

And I found that the United Church had done that with some land of the House of People to Wirehouser. They had sold it to this Big American logging company, Weyerhaeuser in Seattle. And I wrote a letter about it because I said, wait a minute. Our church policy says if we have native land from the missionary era, we are to return it to the native people and not to sell it off to our. Our business buddies. Right? I wrote that letter. Within two weeks, I’m fired without cause, without review, and I’m told that I’ll be defrocked or thrown right out of the ministry unless I agree to psychiatric evaluation to say I’m crazy.

Right. And a year’s retraining without pay, even though I have two children to support. So they began immediately turning the screws. But they also went to my wife, Ann, and said, look, we’re going to make sure he never works again. If you help us and leave him, we’ll pay for your divorce and help you get resettled. That’s exactly what happened. That came out. They came out and said, we are going to make sure he never works again. And now why. I know it was extremely painful for your wife to do this. Right? Why in the world would she do.

Was she scared? Was she brainwashed? What happened? She had a history. I won’t go into the details, but she had a history of abuse herself as a child, from within her family. And she’d been going to a counselor for that. He was a member of my congregation. And he began to leak what she told him to the church unethically. He disclosed what was told in confidence in a session. They knew how to press her buttons. They knew that she was scared of that kind of uncertainty, you know, so therapist was leaking out the information. Yes, her.

So just incredibly unethical. Okay. Very evil. And my daughters were 6 and 3 at the time, Claire and Eleanor. And, you know, she began to tell them, oh, daddy’s doing terrible things. You know, the typical thing you find in a divorce, but ramped up because there was big money involved. We’re talking corporate, you know, the. The logging companies, the governments of British Columbia and Canada, the churches, they all had kind of a converged need to get rid of me at the time. And the lawsuits were beginning right at that same time. The first residential school lawsuits brought by survivors.

And I was involved with them. So, you know, it. One thing led to another. I was thrown out. And eventually I was the only minister in United Church history ever to be publicly defrocked. It was a big show trial and. But I. It turned. We turned it around on them because we began to expo. Use that to show that, in fact, you know, it had Been about the land deal, the House of Land deal. I brought in survivors of the residential school to say, yeah, he was telling the truth. These things happened. It blew back in their face.

They shut down the my defrocking trial and just expelled me on the spot. But then the, the real smear was ramped up and I began to get it from many directions. You know, not only physical attacks. I was shadowed at the university. I went to University of B.C. where I had my degrees, tried to get a PhD in native studies. They blocked the funding for it. They circulated rumors in the department. You know, it was just the standard character assassination you do to a whistleblower. You destroy their family and their livelihood and they usually collapse. But I didn’t.

It made me even angrier and more determined. Right. They lock you out of the establishment areas, right? I mean, you can’t teach, you can’t, you can’t be on like the main platforms. I mean, I can see all the establishment attacks on myself and you know, I went through the same thing university wise and stuff. Now you, you’ve had a lot of people die around you and, but you’re safe. Do you think that you’re protected by energies that are. And angels? I mean, how do you frame that? Well, I do. I’m not really safe and, and I’ve gone through everything short of being killed, although there’s no way they’re going to kill me outright because that makes a martyr.

And people say, hey, maybe he was onto something. Right? So you don’t want to do that. If, if I was native, I’d be dead years ago. But being who I was, they had to isolate, discredit and get people afraid of my name and the issue, which worked for a long time in Canada. But when you’re persistent, you overcome that. Right after they. I got booted out. The next year I met a woman. We had a protest at the United Church office. Some friends and I abode my firing. A woman called Harriet Nahani heard about it. She came down to my protest and began to talk to the reporters about a murder she had witnessed in the Alberni School as a child.

A little girl called Maisie Shaw, kicked to her death by the principal Alfred Caldwell. That hit the press. First time in Canadian history a murder at Orozco was reported. That started a whole campaign. She and I began to hold protests at these churches, hold conferences. We held the first conference, Human rights tribunal, in 1998, sponsored by a UN group, Eram, and it made the media, made the National Globe and Mail newspaper that children had died. We really kick started the whole exposure of this stuff and we never gave up. We eventually began occupying churches. The movement spread across Canada.

We forced the apology in 2008, but then the boot came down even more and I was completely censored. It was like an apartheid South Africa. When you’re banned, your name couldn’t be mentioned in the paper. You never saw the word named Kevin Annett ever again in Canadian press. It was a controversial former minister is the way they would describe me, but never name my name. Wow. Then I got invited over to Europe right at the time, and it blossomed. And that’s a whole other story. Setting up the tribunal that eventually forced Pope Benedict out of office.

Right? Yeah, you did. You did a lot with your. And that even got you more. They get more angry, but they’re losing power, aren’t they? Worldwide, they’re losing power. And that’s why they’ve put so much of a boot on the neck of people, because of that thriving industry that I was talking about eight years ago that created an awakening that, you know, a lot of people who are coming into the. To the space now don’t understand what we. The thriving awakening that was going on now. I saw that be dimmed here a little bit, but they couldn’t stop.

The dam was already broken, wasn’t it? Oh, yeah. And the thing to remember is that you always have to trace something back to where it began. And the Canadian government moved in quickly and tried to make it look like when they issued the apology. Oh, we’ve always known about this. They even staged fake excavations where they dig in the ground at a place called Kamloops and said, no, we didn’t find much. It was kind of like asking the serial killer to dig under his own house and report what he found. Right. So. But the point is, before that, we had done our own excavations.

We had been people who had everything to lose. These homeless Native people who could be killed like that had the courage to confront these churches publicly. We had church occupations. You know, the week after we began those occupations, the government began admitting things and saying, yeah, we’re going to have a truth and reconciliation commission. Which was complete garbage because they never investigated anything. They shut down the witnesses in it. So they had to move in quickly and tried to co opt and shut down everything we were doing. But it was the sacrifice of those people you mentioned.

They died. There were seven native people in our campaign in Vancouver alone who were killed because of them doing this stuff. One of them, you know, William Coombs he saw Queen Elizabeth take children from the Kamloop school and they never seen again. He was going to come to London and talk about that at a human rights tribunal. And two days before that he was killed in St Paul’s Hospital by arsenic poisoning. And it goes on and on like that. People dying in prison. You know, it’s easy to kill a native person and get away with it in Canada.

And that was part of the problem because our movement consisted mostly of those kind of people. Well, and I think people in the United States are starting to wake up to Canada being more of a dark place than we realized. It really Covid woke us up. I used to think that Canada was more, you know, better than the United States and the Mexico was the most messed up. Then Covid happened and I flipped that on my head. I thought Mexico was the least messed up. Even though they have all their drug trafficking and everything else. Covid shined a bright light on the fact of what really is messed up and what’s controlled.

And Canada I think is the most controlled. And they’re in this like mental prison. It’s incredible. And they can’t see it themselves. The fact that they’re supporting some of the most evil activities like government assisted suicide, that’s now it’s one of the highest ways that people die is through government assisted suicide for simply just being depressed or poor, struggling with slow recovery, low energy or other frustrating signs of aging. Well, there’s a powerful science backed solution, NAD peptides. NAD is a natural molecule your body needs to fuel cellular energy, brain clarity, metabolism and even DNA repair.

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Remember to use a coupon code Sarah to save 10%. Right. Well you know, to give you another statistic they A few years ago the Canadian government changed the mandatory sentence for child rape down to six months. It’s only you get two years in prison for owning marijuana plants, but only six months when you rape a child and it goes on and on like that. You see, Canada is a very controlled. Like I say, there was. We had our attempted 1776 rebellion in 1837. As a matter of fact, I had an ancestor who took part in it to try to overthrow the Crown.

It got defeated. And right after that the British Crown established total authority. The country is run by one man appointed by the monarch, King Charlie. Now in London, the Governor General. He’s the head of the state and he can remove the government at any point. Most of the laws passed aren’t passed in parliament by elected people, but in Privy council it’s called a few bureaucrats who write all the laws. The churches have, you know, complete freedom to do whatever they want. And I experienced that. Like I mentioned earlier when I appealed this kangaroo court that threw me out of the church.

The Attorney General actually wrote and said the churches internal procedures are outside the laws of Canada, which means they’re above a law. I knew that. How else do you get away with 60,000 dead children? But I felt it personally. And when I saw what it did to my children when they were just torn away from me and that and the look in the eyes of these church guys when they did it, I thought, okay, that’s the proof. Now I know they killed children. If they can do that to one of their own, imagine what they could do to a, a little brown child who they hated and whose land they wanted.

You know, it’s amazing that the church, anybody who devotes their life to this is where the cognitive dissonance is that people who are Christians. You know, I grew up in a, in a very Christian environment. My, my husband, did you know, his dad was a deacon in the Catholic church. My mom was a eucharistic minister. I had to acolyte every other weekend. You know, I mean, it was something we grew up with. Now people who grew up with that have a hard time believing or understanding how there could be so much evil. I always felt like this darkness.

It’s hard to explain, but I always felt like a darkness with the church and I couldn’t understand it. And there was, there were people that were so bright and light, but there was this darkness. I always felt, how can you please help us understand how, how do we distinguish about. Because there is a lot of good teachings that you can get from, from this. But how do we be able to acknowledge that the, that darkness, Satan coming in and using something, charity and using good, good institutions to do evil. How can people find, you know, acknowledge that and recognize it? Well, I Don’t think the institution is good.

I don’t think you can have a good institution because it’s all based on a corporate structure. Like the Church of Rome was the first corporation in history. It was set up in 317 by the Roman Emperor Constantine, who always applauded as. Oh, he, he created Christianity. Actually what happened was they destroyed the early Christian Church and replaced it with really what was the Roman Empire. If you look at the name of the the Pope, Pontifex Maximus. In Latin it means the great bridge between heaven and earth. This one guy, not Christ. Christ is not the head of the Church in Rome, it’s one man.

And just like in England, that head of the Church of England is the king. Right? So first of all, that’s not scriptural. That’s not at all in line with the teachings of Christ. But then when you look at the whole history and as a matter of fact, one of my 28 books I wrote a few years ago, this gives you the whole history and the source of Vatican crimes, right? And it’s amazing when you not only look at the history, but on the ground. Give you an example. There’s a policy in the Catholic Church, it’s been around almost a century.

It’s called Crimin solicitanus, means the crime of solicitation in Latin. And it says when children are raped, no one is to be told, including the police. Anyone who talks is excommunicated. Right? So as a Catholic, you’re expected to take part in a criminal conspiracy to protect child rapists. You’re in effect committing treason. You can stand by the child protection laws of your own country. You that the interests of the church take precedence and over the life of a child. Now how can you live in that system? Most people, you know, don’t. In the pews don’t know about that.

But all the clergy know about it. They’re expected to enforce it. And it’s well known like they all know. It’s been around since 1929. You don’t get into any position of authority unless you know that and you enforce it. So I’ve known Catholic priests who’ve left over that they just split off, formed their own congregation. They don’t want to send money to Rome. They don’t want to be part of that whole thing. Okay, that’s good. That’s what you should do. Do a congregational route. You know, just form your own house, church or whatever. Right? So because spiritual stuff, the teachings, there’s so much good teachings, it’s just you have to.

That’s what I’m trying to understand is how do people, you know, how to, how to share that with others? How do people recognize that where you’re seeing something be infiltrated and how you can follow these good teachings? Because being spiritual and having a relationship with Jesus and God is really good. So. But know where that line crosses, where you’re actually being influenced by something very dark versus going and helping humanity, helping yourself, being, living a loving life. You can do that. You know, Jesus said, where two or three are gathered in my name. He never talked about bishops or church rituals or anything, you know, that was never talked about.

Yes. He said the kingdom is within you. He didn’t say it was without outside you in church. You know, he said, my kingdom is not of this world. Right. It’s a spiritual kingdom that everybody has access to and that’s why you don’t need a priest to mediate it to you. And when you’re raised not just Catholic, but really every church operates according to that idea. You know, when I give an example, when I was, you know, in St. Andrews Protestant Church, okay, I tried to get native people and children to help serve communion on Sunday, right? And I said, well.

And the church bureaucrats said, no, no, you’ve got a servant. And I said, why? He said, you’re the minister. And I said, wait a minute. In the Reformation, it said, we’re all priests, the priesthood of all believers, so why can’t we all just serve communion? So this kind of pries, ghostly notion that you need this guy to interpret it for you runs right against everything Jesus ever tried to do. And, and our innate understanding like self governance is spiritual too. You know, we all have access to God. We don’t need somebody, you know, and we don’t have to sacrifice our integrity and our morals and break the law and help kill children, you know, to take part in these churches.

So people of conscience need to just leave and not feel that they’re bound to these human institutions, right? Yeah. And that’s, that’s where you recognize the difference, right, is, is they start the actions. You have to look past those actions and take and know that you have the strength inside yourself to do it right. And the only best way to do that is just by doing it, the experience of it. And then you say, yeah, we can do this, right? So, okay, so let’s get back to your story. I had to say it because, you know, the last thing we want to do is share is to say that the spiritual world is.

They don’t have anything to do with it because of this. That’s, that’s the wrong message. It’s to, it’s to recognize it and to. Because that’s what, what the teaching of Jesus was, to recognize this and to, to live your life in a certain way and not get succumbed to this evil. But you, you’re facing it head on. And you know, and I watched, I saw a lot over the years and I watched you. I watched a certain situation where you were kidnapped and beaten and it was horrible. And you made it out. You were, you lived through that and that was something that you’ve suffered through.

But you keep fighting. How, how do you keep that spirit alive to keep fighting even though you. The oppression is. I mean, honestly, Kevin, it’s pretty overwhelming. It was really hard at first, you know, as my life was torn to pieces. But it’s a question of character and not everybody can do this, but I didn’t discover that character until I was under fire. It’s very much like being in a war. Who leads? The new recruits or the veterans? You know, when you’re a new recruit, you’re just trying to protect yourself from the bullets. But the veterans have overcome that.

They’ve gone through the fire and they’re not worried about what will happen to them. They’re worried about bringing their men on and protecting them in and getting to the objective. Right? And that’s what I went through over years. I lost that. I mean, the worst pain I had was losing my children. But then I realized I have many children to be concerned about. All of those kids on the ground, all of the children being trafficked now. And then your heart grows and you get stronger and you think, what’s going to happen if I give up? Right? So you kind of lose self concern and you become committed to a higher cause and there’s no stronger thing.

I think there’s two really powerful forces in the world. Love, you know, for each other, our children, everything. And living for a purpose greater than yourself, that’s helping humanity, that’s elevating our dignity and protecting life. When people find that higher purpose, they’re not worried. I mean, this is why when we started you in church occupation, it was beautiful to watch. Most of the people walking into those churches on Sunday morning were homeless natives because they said, look, I’ve lived on the street, the cops beat me up all the time. What do I have to lose? What are these people going to do to me? Right? And I felt the same thing.

What else are you going to do? Right. I mean, so we weren’t afraid. And yet the priest. That morning was so beautiful. We walked into Holy Rosary Cathedral very peacefully, had a banner, all the children need a proper burial. And the people in the pews were really curious, right? And they were taking a leaflet reading. The priests were so angry and hate filled. One of them grabbed me by the arm and said, we’ve asked you to leave, get out of here. And I said, well, we’ve asked you where you buried the children you killed. You know, they need a proper burial.

And they took off. Both priests ran out the back door of the church. Really. I mean, they were afraid. They were afraid. And so what. What would have happened if they would have said, okay, we welcome you here today. Let’s you, you can join our congregation and pray with us and we will hear you. What would happen to them if they would have done that above it. It never happened. But if they, if you found a priest with a conscience who is willing to take on his institution, he wouldn’t last longer than snowball in hell. I mean, it was same thing that happened.

Yeah, same deal. It’s the churches. Yeah. These denominational things don’t really mean much. I mean, it was the same beast, you know, and so anyway, it was. The thing is about that is we, we didn’t have fear and they did. And that’s why they, we have a great advantage when you operate out of love and truth is that it’s like this thing doesn’t light the light and you just shine that. And I mean, there was a price to pay. People were targeted and killed after that, but so is Jesus and he didn’t die. You know, that light doesn’t die.

And, and so it was very. Every time one of those things happened, every time we did one of those actions, it strengthened me and those of us who are doing this campaign. And you know, and so when you asked, how do I carry on in this? It strengthens you over time. And, and you know what you have to do. And, and that’s why, you know, now when people are writing me and say, you know, are you okay? I’d say, really, it doesn’t matter what happens to me. Ultimately each of us has to take on this and carry it on.

And it isn’t just about murdered children. It’s about all of these incursions on our liberties and our lives. We have to learn how to fight back. And you do that operating from here, but also, you know, knowing the history, knowing what works and what doesn’t. That’s Why I write so many books, I try to pass these lessons on to people. Right. Do you see us winning? Because there’s a shift? And I see two factions fighting and one is really evil and one’s better. You know, the one that’s better, people might not think is all that much better because they don’t know how.

The people who don’t think this one’s better is because they don’t know how evil this faction is. And so if this other. The, the, the faction that I think is better wins, they’re still going to have a lot of issues with them. But, man, this faction that they’re fighting is really, really, really evil. It’s the same faction you’re fighting. Are you seeing a. A shift? Are you seeing the real evil ones losing power? Yes and no. I mean, I’ve. I’ve seen it happen. You know what just happened in Rome, the death of Bergoglio, and now they’re electing a new guy that brings in the whole issue of China and the role Begolia was playing in diverting Vatican bank money towards it.

And, you know, we’ve seen, like, when we forced Ratzinger out of office, Pope Benedict in our common law court, that sent reverberations everywhere, that helped launch a global movement, the common law movement, where people are setting up their own courts, putting these powerful people on trial, not relying on the corrupt courts at all. So it sparks all sorts of fires. And yet at the same time, this thing we’re confronting knows really well how to co opt it and redirect it. You know, I think there was a famous quote from a CIA manual back in the 70s.

It said, you can’t stop a revolution, but you can guide it. And, you know, that is exactly the strategy they know. Like Sun Tzu says in the Ottawar, if you fight something, you strengthen it. If you withdraw from it and create your own energy, you weaken it. And so. And that’s what we saw with the Internet. And what I got to feel so strongly is that they’ve redirected this. Right. And it’s a constant process. It’s kind of like a yin yang. And again, Sun Tzu says there’s never any final outcome in a battle. There’s momentary victories, but then you learn from those.

And in the long run, I think we are maturing as a species. Right? But we have. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, because we’ve. A lot of crows are coming home to roost now because of what we’ve been doing. For so long, right to each other, to the planet. And the best teacher people have is a black eye. You know, you have to go through a tragedy to really understand what you’re part of. And I had to, you know, I mean, if, if I had just not lost my job, I could very easily still be the way I was back there in the mid-90s and you know, complicit going along in the church, not wanting to look at certain things.

I think eventually, just because of who I am, I would have, but it wouldn’t, it would have been as dramatic and it wouldn’t have brought such change as it’s, as the suffering I’ve been through has caused. And so I’m thankful for it. I wouldn’t change anything. Right. Because it’s helped so many people. Have your children come back? Yes and no. They’re both in their 30s now and like within a divorce, they’re compelled to take sides. It’s called parental alienation syndrome. And you know, like they feel, well, in their case it was especially traumatic because their mom had gone to them and said, we have to leave Daddy, don’t tell him.

Like she was being paid by the church to do that. So my poor children kept a secret inside because they didn’t want to upset mom. And yet we’re not supposed to tell that. It’s like demonizing me. And with all the Canadian press going after me, you know, and it was easy for them just to go along with that explanation. Now they. My youngest daughter, Eleanor is very much like me. She’s actually studying law in Washington D.C. at Georgetown Law School. And she stays in touch. My eldest daughter, Claire doesn’t. And not because she’s like, when we do get together, it’s fine.

But she was older and she saw what’s going on and there were some things that happened in her life there that I don’t want to go into. But I think that that darkness that I exposed definitely touched her and there’s a lot to work through still she does. And you know, it’s, it’s. People change only when they have to. And there’s a status quo there and we tend to identify with it even if it’s wrong and evil. So, you know, it’s like they’re like many Canadians, they just shun back, hold back a bit because there’s been such controversy around my name.

And the controversy isn’t me at all. It’s the crime and the COVID up. But it’s easy to scapegoat one person. I mean, you Know. Well, it’s very interesting because the, the people who are whistleblowing and pointing out a crime, something as bad as this, where the death, cancer, more children died in these, these schools than in Auschwitz. I mean, that’s the official numbers. And you bringing it forward, you’re the criminal and they point to you versus looking at the crime. And that’s this. The pattern that happens with, you know, it’s same with COVID They’ve somehow there’s this amnesia with COVID Nobody’s addressing the fact that people are dying and that, you know, people lost business.

I mean, it’s just the, the damage that was caused for something that was so wrong hasn’t been addressed and they won’t address it. They just want to move on. Now that’s a sickness in society when you don’t face abuse and you look at the people who are abused and you point and you’re negative to them. That’s the. That’s a disease. That’s the illness. Right? And that’s what I’m. Yes, and that’s what I mean about the crows coming home to roost. Because by not looking at that, here’s a very concrete example. Where did Covid come from? The big pharma companies have been testing out those experimental drugs on native people for many years in the Indian hospitals and everything.

Under the Indian act, they can’t refuse medical treatment. They had special cards to leave the reserve, like a vaccination pass. Right. They tried all these things on a weaker group that nobody cares about, and then they try it out on the whole population. Population, like my friend Frank Erminskin, who’s a Cree elder in Vancouver. And he said, well, now you know what it’s like to live on the reservation. You’re all on the reservation now, right? And Covid was a result of this genocide that nobody wanted to look at. And I said, look, we could have stopped this if enough people had gone on board back in the 90s and said, wait a minute, what’s happening? Look what they’re doing.

These native people, do you think they would have rolled out this use experimental drugs as easily? Of course not. But what you don’t do for somebody else, it’s going to blow back on you. And we’re learning that right now. I had a whistleblower Native American come on my show and talk about the chipping that they were doing in the 90s. They were chipping and tracking their bank accounts and their health records on the indigenous people. She wouldn’t come back on because her her elders can’t brought her together and said, your life is going to be in danger.

Do not keep doing this. So she stopped. But I already got the information, so I’m not going to stop. But now we’re seeing them wanting to do that now to everybody. Right. It’s like the canary in the mine shaft. You experiment on one group. And, you know, that’s why, you know, it’s. I. Whenever I talk about this stuff now, I start telling stories about people because that’s the best way to communicate an issue. Because, you know, in my documentary Unrepentant, that came on 2007, it’s what really forced the apology because members of Parliament viewed it. And then they got up and said, whenever we’re going to give these children a proper burial.

Right. It’s kind of what triggered it. But in Unrepentant, I just talk about people and their stories. I give them a forum in which, you know, they. They describe what happened to them as children, how it’s still going on. Right. And. And that there’s one scene where, you know, people are describing these horrible things that happen. I watch audiences, when they watch my documentary, especially white audiences, and when the native people are describing, there’s no emotional reaction because how do people relate to getting sterilized or getting electric shocks when you’re six years old, there’s no frame of reference.

But in the film, when I describe how the church went to my wife Ann and paid her to leave me, and she did this gasp goes through the audience every time because they can relate to that. Like they took your children deliberately like that. Like that’s something you can relate to. And that’s why I always talk now about children, not native children. Right? You got to start where people are at and. And make it human, keep it human all the time. And then it’s a heart connection you have and isn’t just some other issue that you can then move on to some other issue, right.

Well, how, you know, I could talk to you for hours. How can people. I have to have you back more often. I used to have you. He used to be on more often. We need to get you back again. Where can people follow you and get your books and learn more about this? I’ll have the link to your documentary. I think that’s an important thing for people to see. But where can people learn more about you? Murder by decree.com. it has a lot of my books and like the one I mentioned, you can get all these on Amazon.

This one, I just was On a show in England and the day after I was on the show, 204 people ordered this book because it’s it, it has all the dirt on the Vatican and how it’s criminal power. Right. I need to have you back on just to talk about the history of the church. I think people would be interested knowing how the Roman Empire came to be. Really what are the, the Vatican came to be in the Roman Empire and really what this is about. So. And how the initial Christian church was, was really destroyed and taken over.

Right. And we, we really should talk about that so people can understand kind of history. I mean our history is not out there for people to learn and that, that’s what we need. We need to rediscover real history because they write history for the narrative that they want you to think it is, not for what it truly is. That’s right. So yeah. So. Murderbydecree.com I’m also starting up my radio show blog show I had for 10 years now I took a six month hiatus and it’s this Sunday actually May 4th at same time, 11am Central time, noon eastern@bbsradio.com radio free Canada.

And that also talks about our Republic of Canada we set up, which we can get into some other time too. So now it’s every Sunday. Right? At what time? First and third Sunday. Twice a month. Twice a month. Okay. At what time? 11:00am Central Time this Sunday BBS Radio. And so it, if this doesn’t air before it, it’ll be 18. The 18th. So the third Sunday. 18th. Okay. First and third Sunday of every month. Yeah. And a lot of the books, I mean this one is like a summary of what happened or campaign to expose it targeting to me and other people also this one is a good one, just came out Giving in ourselves Handbook on Personal, Political and Spiritual Sovereignty.

Which I think comes down to that we have to reclaim ourselves at every level in our world if we’re going to stop these crimes. Right. So. Well, thank you, Kevin. I really enjoy talking to you and I wish you well. I know you keep fighting and you’re helping and doing everything you can for people. So thank you for everything you do and thank you for joining the program. Thank you, sir.
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