(5/16/2025) | AUDIO CHAT 177 | SG Sits Down w/ NM Election Integrity Patriots John Ramona: Progress On Securing NM Elections

➡ In the 177th audio chat on the Q News Patriot Rumble Channel, the host, SG, discusses election integrity with John Veltri and Ramona Goolsbee from New Mexico. They discuss the challenges they’ve faced in trying to communicate with state officials about election integrity and President Trump’s executive order on elections. They also discuss potential solutions, such as creating a voter ID system with picture authentication and a barcode, and updating voting equipment. The conversation highlights the importance of free, fair, and transparent elections for a self-governing country.
➡ The text discusses the aging and outdated election equipment in the county, which needs a significant upgrade. It also talks about the National Voting Registration Act of 1993 and the process of cleaning voter rolls. The speaker mentions a database that helps verify voter eligibility and the potential consequences of not adhering to election-related executive orders. The speaker also shares his conversation with Joey, who is working to improve the voting process, and Ramona, who believes in the need for a more traditional, paper-based voting system.
➡ The speaker discusses the issues with voter identification and registration, expressing concern over the need for multiple IDs for different jurisdictions and the potential for fraud. They also mention problems with electronic voting and suggest a return to paper ballots. They highlight ongoing efforts to improve voter roll accuracy and express frustration over a legal case involving access to ballots from a previous election. The speaker emphasizes the need for better use of existing administrative infrastructure to enhance election security and transparency.
➡ The discussion revolves around the importance of election integrity and the role of the Election Assistance Commission in certifying voting systems. The speaker expresses concern that New Mexico’s voting equipment is not certified and has not been for about a decade. They also mention President Trump’s emphasis on voter ID and clean voter rolls. The conversation also touches on local issues in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, where citizens voted to keep voter ID for municipal elections and rejected an ordinance that would have extended the terms of current council members and the mayor.
➡ In New Mexico, groups are working on issues like election integrity and removing inappropriate books from schools. They’re also addressing problems with electronic voting, internet connectivity, and voter registration. There’s concern about illegal voting and fraudulent documents being used to obtain driver’s licenses. Despite these challenges, the community is becoming more vocal about these issues, and their efforts are starting to make a difference.
➡ The speaker encourages everyone to participate in the democratic process, whether through writing letters, making phone calls, attending meetings, or even just praying for success. They highlight the importance of being active and not just sitting idle. They also provide contact information for those interested in learning more about their work on election transparency in New Mexico.

Foreign Good afternoon, Patriots, and welcome to the 177th audio chat on the Q News Patriot Rumble Channel series. I am the Q News Patriot, joined today by John Veltri and Ramona Goolsbee, Election Integrity Patriots out of New Mexico. My name is SG and on for the folks out there. You’ll remember Mr. Veltri as having come on right around the time of the 2024 election to talk about on the ground, patriot efforts happening in New Mexico surrounding this whole issue of securing and really cementing our integrity inside of our election process. Right. If we don’t have free, fair, transparent, clean and honest elections, then we don’t have any country worth self governing.

Today we’re going to have a little bit of a check in discussion on this and we’re welcoming Ms. Goolsbee to the show for the first time. Ms. Goolsbee is heavily involved in a lot of these activities. John Ramona, thank you very much for joining me on the show today. You’re welcome. Thank you for having us. Well, I have to say it’s a real treat. You know, when Mr. Veltri and I first connected in 2024 regarding this issue of efforts happening on the ground in New Mexico, these were, you know, these were efforts that I had not heard about prior to.

And I was really heartily encouraged to hear that there was an open communication dynamic between, you know, both members of the community and members of the local government, at least at the time. We’ve now had the 2024 presidential election, President Trump’s first 100 days here in 2025. John, I’m going to turn it over to you to get us caught up to speed. Where are we at on New Mexico’s election integrity efforts? And then we’ll circle back around for Ms. Ramona and her story as well. Okay, sounds great. Well, we have a president in place and he’s doing a lot of things.

One of the things I’ll be talking about is his executive order around elections. But let me just go ahead and tell you what I’ve been trying to do the last two weeks prior to this call and that is trying to get a hold of our state officials up in Santa Fe, which frankly is kind of like pulling teeth and that’s not fun. For two weeks I’ve tried to reach our Secretary of State, Maggie Toulouse Oliver, who I knew I wasn’t going to get ahold of, and also the Governor, Michelle Lucian Grisham, which wasn’t going to happen.

But I worked with the people that were involved in her administration Mandy Vigil, who was a New Emmy to the New Mexico State Elections director. She also, since 2024, became the president of the Executive Board of National Associations of Election Director. And Charles Romero was one of two New Mexico deputy Directors for elections. I say one or two because one I think quit or was let go. I’m not sure. I don’t believe it could have been let go because they desperately need two. Bottom line is, for two weeks, I have spoke to some really nice clerks who have taken some really nice messages.

Who knows that I’m a nonpartisan? Who knows? I’m trying to find out where we stand going forward in 2026, especially in February and June when we have our next big elections around. What type of equipment are we going to use? What are they going to do to support President Trump’s executive order, which, frankly, they’re not going to at this point. There’s a lawsuit. They’re joining forces with a total of 19 governors across the United States because they feel that what Trump is doing with this executive order is unconstitutional. And that was one of the questions I wanted to ask any one of these four people, and that is, what specifically is unconstitutional about the president of the United States putting an executive order out, trying to make our elections more fair and transparent and simply better for everybody.

And I couldn’t get a hold of anybody to get an answer. So, unfortunately, maybe that’s the story in itself. They don’t want to talk to me about it because maybe they don’t want me to know what they’re going to do or not do. All I know is that I’ve tried desperately, multiple times a day, especially the last week, and came up empty. It’s like fishing in a pond that wasn’t stocked anyway. Then I decided, well, let’s take it at the lowest level possible. My county, Sandoval county, which I’m a constituent of, so is Ramona, and we’re taxpayers.

And we have been working, like I said in November, very close with Sandoval county, who has been doing a lot of leading in the state for all 33 counties to try to make our elections better, to try to clean things up, tighten up the process and where things were broken, make them a little better. And they have been doing. They’ve continued to do that for the last, you know, several months since Trump became elected. Well, I thought, well, let’s see, how about if I get with the. The chief deputy clerk, Joey Dominguez. And the reason why I picked Joey isn’t because he’s at the Top of the totem pole, because he’s not, you know, Tina Dominguez is the Bureau of Elections manager and Ann Brady Romero is the county clerk.

And they kind of pull rank on Joey. However, Joey and I have built a real good relationship. We seem to communicate real well together. He understands the overall process. He’s heavily involved in everything that he is supposed to do in that organization. So I chose to get with Joey, and he granted me as much time as I needed yesterday. And I took an hour with him at his office in person, and we talked about a few things. The person we talked about was voter id. And the first question he asked me was, well, why do you think voter ID is a good idea? And I says, well, do you want to give you one word security? And he says, okay, that’s fair.

He says, but I’m going to tell you there’s a potential risk in minimizing election integrity with voter id. And he went on to talk about the evolving technology and the current technology that allows creating fake IDs. An example, anybody can place their picture on an ID that says John Veltri. And he’s right. We talked at a county meeting the other night about how easy it is to make ghost guns off of 3D printers. So that was a valid point. And then he went on and he said, here’s how I feel. We can guarantee election integrity around voter id.

And he says the election jurisdiction should provide appropriate funds to build a database to issue a voter ID with a picture authentication and a barcode. He says, for example, and he used Rio Rancho, one of our big counties. He says they should appropriate funds to the city clerk, establish a voter ID system in a database. I agree. I think that would be a good step. The city of Rio Rancho’s clerk’s office would issue rio Rancho Voter IDs free of charge with a picture and a barcode on it. And then the city of Rio Rancho county or council should appropriate those funds to have the E poll book vendor establish a system to scan the voter ID issued by the Rio Rancho clerk so that the image when Ramona and I were both clerks in the last election and we pull them up, populates on the screen, the election populates on the screen that the election clerk, like myself or Ramona, last, last November, can verify the voter in front of the machine and match the voter ID by the city clerk.

Now, that would really tighten things up, in my opinion, around voter id. It will cost a lot of money, but it would be something that wouldn’t just be done In Rio Rational. That’s just one example. It would be done in every county across the United States. So just a little bit on voter id, that was a great discussion I thought we had with Joey. And I want to talk about voting equipment because I talked about two other things. Voting equipment was the next one. And with the voting equipment, the eac, which is the United States Election Assistance Commission, they’re the ones that certify a lot of the equipment.

Of course, New Mexico you and I talked about in the last call is basically an all white state, which means there’s no certification, hasn’t been certified by the EAC in over a decade. And so therefore our equipment, in my opinion, is null and void. We talked about that back in November. But he thinks that Congress should immediately provide again appropriate funds to the USDAC and distribute to all states that purchase a new voting, new voting equipment once testing by the US EAC for new systems has been approved and there is a new software coming out that’s going to be approved later this year that would make all this fall into place.

And therefore the equipment, if New Mexico is one of those that would get, that would have actually certified equipment in the first time in a long time anyway. And then he said all election infrastructure here, and I agree with this, I’m sure Ramona will, is it’s aging. It’s really aging, similar to aging infrastructures around the whole world. I’m sorry, the whole county, not the whole world. We’re almost like a third world country sometimes when it comes to our election equipment. It needs a massive overhaul. Our equipment has been not leased. I said leased back in November, but I found out our equipment was actually pretty purchased by the Secretary of state back in 2014, which makes it 10 years old.

And it’s very old. It’s outdated. So anyhow, the, the clean voter rolls was the last thing we talked about. And we talked about the House Bill 3, the National Voting Registration act of 1993. Now this bill, bill right here is in detail, talks about what is expected by all the counties and what they’re supposed to do throughout the United States every June and how they’re supposed to report on how they clean their, their voter rolls. And Joey shared with me a database that they created called ncao. It’s the National Change of Address. And this database that he showed me was massive.

He showed me one, one line item alone that was voters in Sandoval county over the age of 100. Well, you wouldn’t believe how many there were and how they go through the verify. Are these really live voters and should they remain on the voter roll? He gave me the opportunity to take a screenshot. You can’t really see this that well. But this screenshot right here breaks down the detail of this database that Sandoval county created. For example, everything in red is a non eligible felon. Everything in purple is an ERIC cancellation or removal. Everything in teal is an inactive and has been has an email address is inactive and has an email address to reach them.

So we’re trying to figure out, okay, are they valid or not. Green is transferred to another county, so they should be moved off of our voter rolls in Sandoval County. Ramona and I ran into that when we had people come in, I know I did, when they came to the school where I was at as a poll worker. And it’s like, well, you got to go to Bernalillo county. You got to go to Albuquerque county because you’re not in our database, we can’t give you a ballot. Pink is confirmation that a mailer was sent. Yellow is deceased.

What about those dead voters that are still out there? Blue is the removal. They moved out of jurisdiction. Orange is removal out of the county. Sorry, out of the country. Green a light. Green is removal because it’s a duplicate light. Blue is suspended or incomplete. White is active. These are legit Sandoval county voters. Gray is removal at the voter’s request. And gold is ERIC shows their deceased. So when I asked Joey, how are we doing on our voter rolls? Because voter rolls is something I think Sandoval county has been trying to do a good job on.

He says, I think we’re doing really good, John, and I’ll show you why. And he showed me this database. He allowed me to take a picture of this for this call today and share it with your audience that these are the things you’re doing. And I share this hoping that by you spreading the word on your platform, other folks like Ramona and I in their counties or their states will do the same thing and, you know, maybe encourage them to get in touch with Sandoval county, with Joy Dominguez directly, find out what they’re doing, maybe have that help in their state or their county.

But anyway, bottom line is these are the things I talked to Joey about and I tried to talk at the top level, at the state level and was unsuccessful about where we’re at right now and where we’re going into our next elections. Still don’t know if we’re going to have the same old equipment with some software that’s not certified. However, I’m sure that Trump’s executive order is going to dictate what’s going to happen, because that’s a promise made and a promise kept. And I was at two of his rallies where I heard him say it word for word that, you know, he is going to put together an executive order around elections.

And he did. And if you don’t follow these, what’s going to happen to states like ours and others is it’s going to cost us as taxpayers a lot of money to fight these frivolous battles in court that in the end, they’re going to have to throw the towel in or raise their hand and say, uncle. And because Trump is. His team of lawyers will fight this tooth and nail until I’m sure he gets what he wants out of these states. The other thing he’s going to do is he’s going to probably withhold or there’s a risk of withholding federal funding that come to these states that don’t want to adhere to the eo.

And if that’s the case, and here in New Mexico, we’re deemed kind of at a poverty state. These are funds that are desperately needed that we won’t get. And it’s all because our governor said, no, we’re not going to follow this, it’s unconstitutional. Yet they can’t tell me where in the Constitution he’s violating something. And I can’t even get anybody to talk to me. So that’s the update sg where we’re at. And in closing, I want to leave you with a couple of Joey’s comments. At the end of our meeting. I said, you know, Joy, I think you and I are on the same page on a lot of this.

I think we’re doing some good work and we’re probably doing it for the same person. And Joey said, yes, John, I answered to God, I sleep well every night knowing that I’ve done the best I can that day. And he says, when I wake up the next day, I ask God to help me him provide and make. I’m sorry. Help him make our voting process the best it can be. So every day he. He wakes up trying to do this. And every. I’m sorry. Every day wakes up giving thanks for. For. I’m sorry. Every night when he goes to bed, he gives thanks for what he was able to do that day.

And when he wakes up, he asks for that again. And so I thought that was pretty cool. It tells me that, you know, I picked the right person. To talk to and to gather information, to share on this call and let you know where at the state level and then down at the Sandoval county level, where Ramona and I are at, you know, what’s going on in the state of New Mexico. And there’s your update. And with that, I’ll ask if you have any questions or if Ramona would like to add anything before we shift gears and let Ramona take the floor.

Well, I mean, I have to say I’ve got. I have a tremendous amount of questions, but fundamentally I’m going to hold some of those in waiting here in the baffles because I’m really interested in how you, Ramona, intersect with this. You know, John said that you all, you know, have been in this battle for quite a long time together, that it started really from the election worker pulpit, from actually seeing the movements, the machinations of the system in process there in the county. Do you mind to give us a little bit of background? You’re meeting my audience for the first time.

And then I’ve got a few questions I’d like to pepper at both of you. Okay. Yes, yes. I’m actually a retired medical provider, nurse practitioner. A nurse practitioner for 18, I guess almost 19 years and a nurse for 30. And we moved to New Mexico. We lived in Oklahoma for that time. And my husband’s family, his mom’s family, was from out the Albuquerque area. And he absolutely loved New Mexico. So when we decided to sell our ranch because we were also ranchers and retire, I asked him where in this country he wanted or out of the country where he wanted to go.

And, and because of his fond memories of Albuquerque in New Mexico, we decided to move to New Mexico. And that’s how we ended up here. And I am retired, so to speak, actually work pretty much full time on a lot of research and doing things, trying to answer a lot of questions and try to find where the system’s gone wrong, basically. So that’s what I do. And talking with, listening to what John had said, you know, I appreciate Joey trying. One thing I want to say is I appreciate John. He’s always willing to talk to anybody, and that is a good quality of his.

And. And I think it kind of adds a little bit of balance because I know a lot of times we talk about being in an echo chamber where we hear one side. And what you just heard was Joey’s thoughts and Joey’s side. And now I can tell you that I completely disagree with Joey on many, many things, especially machines. I don’t think we need updated machines. I think we need paper and pen and people machines are part of what got us in here in this position that we’re in now. And as far as voter id, very much for voter id, but I don’t think people should be required to get a voter ID for every jurisdiction that they’re going to vote in.

You know, do I need to get a school district, a school board voter ID or do I need to get a city voter ID and then a state voter ID and a federal voter id? No, no. We need to have a secure system that, that gives us the identification that we need. And in the E poll books, which I’m very much against because they are online the whole time of the election and we had a significant issue with them. And the same day voter registration in New Mexico, it was a horrible experience for many people. I think that when we scanned.

You can scan driver’s license with that E pole pad and when people’s addresses wouldn’t pull up right we, I could scan their ID and it would come up right now as far as integrating a picture into that, I think that would be great. But in the state of New Mexico, we issue driver’s licenses to anyone. If they can falsify or verify an address, they get an id. And so I think that there needs to be more thought into that, especially in states like New Mexico. And, and that’s some of my thoughts. You know, I went to the board of registration meeting a couple of months ago and I know that there were several people, people I think 125-year-old, one 14 year old that had the, the people that were elect placed on that board had gone through the voter rolls, they had brought the names up, they had tried to work with the county to have those removed and they thought they were being removed and turns to find out they weren’t.

So his claim that the voter rolls are, are amazing is or as good as they can get. I, I disagree with wholeheartedly but like I said, I love the fact that we have and that John does say, does represent and say what Joey has said. So I’ll turn it back to you SG because I know you have questions for him as well. Well, before I get started with that, I just want to remark a little bit on what you just highlighted there with, you know, with relation to this almost like the spiritual disposition of what we’ve got going on here.

It’s nonpartisan, it’s very, you know, it’s peaceful, it’s non violent, it’s patriotic, peacefully and patriotically. Right. And we have a communication dynamic that is at the very least seems functional at this moment in time. But I do have to remark a little bit on the voter ID discussion. And I have to say it is refreshing coming from the individual that you were speaking to, Mr. Veltre. I think you said it was the chief deputy clerk for Sandoval County. It is refreshing that the conversation A was even allowed to happen and B, it seemed to be a bit fruitful in some ways, even though we’re sort of coming at it from a different lens.

But on the issue of current technology allowing for fake IDs. Right. Aren’t we actually talking about improving that process rather than appropriating new money and new infrastructure on a new identification process? Yes, I think that’s exactly what it is. You know, Joey felt that voter ID shouldn’t be just a talking point in a false sense of election integrity. And he went to talk about the risk and then he went to talk about what he thought would guarantee the integrity in voter id. I like Ramona and she knows my number one, and you know this too from the last call, is I am not for electronics.

I know too much about them. I think electronics should be removed. We should be going to same day voting just as in the EO that Trump put out. And we should have paper ballots and they should be counted by hand just like they’ve done in many other countries, successfully and declarative winner at the end of the day. So I am all for that. I’m not for voter equipment, though. If we’re going to have it, then let’s make sure that the US.govEAC has something to do with the certification of it and we have something that’s not outdated and third world country, which is basically what I think we have today as far as the voter rolls go.

I was very impressed with the fact that Joey felt that we’re doing a great job in Sandoval county and other counties I hope are doing as good of a job as he depicts they are because the database he showed me was quite robust. And the breakdown of the sheet he allowed me to take the picture of shows what they’re trying to identify in each of those categories. And he says it’s a document, a work document in progress, which means they’re working on it constantly. They’re not just doing it in June when they’re told they should do it according to the act that I had given you, the NVRA, the National Voter Registration act of 1993.

House bills. I think it was House bill three. Oh, House bill two. But I have to say what it appeared to me is a genuine, sincere effort that they’re working on this voter roll issue ongoing to try to make it better. We know that we have, we had in the past much dirtier roles than we have, I believe, today. But to Ramona’s point, and she knows a lot more than I do, which is why I want her on this call, because she’s doing some things I’m not at liberty to talk about, that I hope she’ll share with your audience that will put into focus a little more of what you and I, SD are talking about here.

I just want to leave you with this and I’ll let you move on, but I believe all three of us are on the same page here. Ms. Goolsbee, I’d love to throw it back over to you for your thoughts on that exact line about being on the same page. Well, both the efforts that you’re undertaking as well as the general spirit of cooperation that seems to be happening down there, although we clearly have some disagreements on where the problem is originating. Right, Right. No, I think that anytime I have wanted to talk with Joey or even Anne Brady, they’re willing to talk.

You know, it’s. It’s a little bit difficult sometimes because I’m a little bit more active about it. I have a current case against the Sandoval County Clerk’s Office. I had asked for actual ballots from the 2022 election because of the significant number of anomalies that were documented even by Joey. And so they didn’t honor my request for ballots. It kind of rocked on, and I ended up filing a writ of mandamus in the 13th District Court. And so this is 2025. I filed that writ in 2024, and I am currently, I was issued the writ and all I had asked for was the ballots for five precincts in the Sandoval county, which has 157 precincts, to do a hand inspection to verify and to count those particular ballots.

And the writ was issued in April, and the county again has requested a hearing on that. So, you know, I, I have a relationship with them and sometimes it’s a little bit tenious, but we do, in good faith visit with each other and we are not violent about anything, which I think is, is, is great on their part and, you know, on everyone’s part in Sandoval County. And I would have. Let me just ask, I’m sorry, where is the status of the ballots today? Have you seen a single ballot yet From I believe 2022, which should have been kept and maintained, not destroyed two years later because there was a court case pending.

So those ballots are evidence. Have you seen a single ballot yet? Not yet. And this is why I wanted Ramona on the call, because she’s working on some things that I keep a little bit of distance from for various reasons. But I know what she’s, I know she’s out there doing this stuff. And this is why I wanted her to share some of these things on this call with your audience, because this is what we’re, we’re encountering here in New Mexico and in Sandoval county specifically. This isn’t nothing new, I’m sure, to just Sandoval county, and I’m sure it’s probably in other counties and also across the United States, as I would suspect you would think so too.

SG well, I can say based on conversations I’ve had, it certainly seems to be a very uniform and universal problem. You know, you mentioned something called the United States Election Assistance Commission a few moments ago, Mr. Belter. I want to circle back to that because that’s something that I think is important for the audience out there to understand. We already have a lot of the bureaucratic and administrative infrastructure necessary to enforce a great deal of the security and transparency that we’re seeking. We’re just not actually leveraging it, cooperating with it and actually enforcing it in our various jurisdictions.

So do you mind to run us through a little bit about how the Election Assistance Commission, at least with respect to federal elections, can be an effective tool to help protect the integrity of the ballots? Well, I’ll do my best and I’ll ask Ramona to add anything that, that I’m missing or that she understands better. But the election certification process, which is United States Election Assistance Commission out of Washington, D.C. and they are on the website, their phone number is posted. I’ve talked to them in person. You know, I’ve asked our county attorney many times last year during county meetings, please don’t take my word for it.

Contact him yourself. Here’s the name of the person I talked to. Here’s the phone number. Here is the document online. Why is it that New Mexico, when you look at this document here, shows New Mexico is completely white? That means that they’re not certified in New Mexico. Their equipment isn’t, and it hasn’t been for what I understand, upwards of a decade. They have a very comprehensive table voting system in here where it lists every single state and it lists what equipment they have and it lists what version of software they have that justifies if they’re a dark state, meaning that they have equipment that has been certified by the eac, we don’t have that.

Okay. This system is something that we, we need if they’re going to have electronics going forward, like Joey said, and what he would like to see happen. If we’re going to have electronics, we need to have electronics that are current, up to date, that have software that is certified by the eac. And, and I guess that’s as good as you can get if you’re going to have equipment going forward. We haven’t had that in the past, we don’t have it today. And as far as I can tell, unless Joey gets what he hopes would happen, and, you know, if we’re going to have electronics, I don’t really see that happening in the future.

Because when you look at President Trump’s 3,000 word document here that talks about, you know, preserving and protecting the integrity of American elections, he doesn’t, he doesn’t want equipment, he wants voter id. He wants clean voter rolls. And if you don’t want to follow this, fine, we’ll see you in court and we’ll withhold federal funding until you adhere to this. And I’m sure most of your audience knows Trump as well as I know Trump. If he says it, he means it. If he makes a promise, he does not want to be caught not keeping it. Whether you like him or not, that’s who he is.

And his team of lawyers, I’d say, bar none, will take on any state governor and their lawyers. And I guarantee you, I told Joey this yesterday, I says, you know how this is going to end, Joey? Eventually they’re going to give up. Even if New Mexico is the last state in the nation, they will end up with voter id just like we were the last state in the nation to get rid of the mask during COVID because they had the COVID mandate and you had to wear a mask. That’s how I don’t, I guess the only word I can come up with it up top of my head how stubborn the people in Santa Fe are around our elections.

And maybe this is why they don’t want to talk to me. I just wanted to depict them in the most accurate light I could, like I did Joy at the Sandoval county level. I just wanted to ask some questions and Joey entertained me and gave me the time of day and we had a good conversation. I walked away with some good notes. That I was able to share with your audience. But at the state level here in New Mexico, I wish I could have done more than just say, I don’t know why they don’t want to talk to me.

Though I really do know the answer to that question. And I think it’s worth highlighting for the audience out there that many of us probably know the answer to that question at this particular point. You know, Ms. Goolsbee, as we’re looking at this issue, coming back to the state level of elections and what’s going on there in the county, do you mind to share your thoughts about what we can do and efforts that you all are continuing to undertake as far as their success, prognostications going forward, you know, sort of their prognosis. Do you mind to give us a little bit of an idea of where you see this going and what you think the important parts to consider and remember really are? Yes.

What I really want to point out is that because of platforms like yours and because of people getting out in the public and talking about these issues, we see more and more action, just like last week in Rio Rancho. Rio Rancho is what they call a home rule city here in New Mexico. It’s allowed in the, the constitution and they are allowed to self governance as long as it doesn’t go against the state laws. And one of those things that the people in Rio Rancho back in 2012 voted on was to have voter ID for municipal elections.

And last week we were, or the week before that, we were notified that the deputy city manager had brought forward an ordinance, Ordinance 13, to remove voter ID and go into the regular local election act process that the Secretary of state had offered, when she did that, she offered to pay for the elections for all of these municipalities if they would use their equipment. Now, to me, that is a bit improprietous. Yes, yes. I always call it kind of like extortionary. But anyway, most of small communities, you know, they, they, they have to guard their funds.

You know, we are not the richest state supposedly, but these communities are like, well, what do I do? Do I hire an extra police officer or do I pay for elections? Well, if the state’s going to pay for elections and the county’s going to run it and they’re going to do the machines and do all of that, we’ll just let them do that. Well, s. Rio Rancho and I believe the other municipality is in Clovis. Clovis, Yeah, I believe that’s it. We are the last two standing for voter id and so along with that ordinance, they also were going to extend because it would change the voting date from a march of an even to November with everybody else in an odd year.

So they were going to extend the terms of the current. And you have to find this kind of interesting of the current council and mayor by a year and a half as part of that. Yes, they were going to extend Both of these things Ramona’s talking about happened on the same night. Yes. So the citizens of Rio Rancho were notified because you public, you have to publish these notices, these ordinances, so people can read them and, and know what’s going on. Well, Rio Rancho publishes their notice in the Albuquerque Journal, which I don’t know how many people even get the Albuquerque Journal.

I did question that. And they said, well, it’s the, the closest paper that’s published daily. Anyway. So many of the people didn’t know. Once we notified them, they became very irate. And it was quite interesting, sg that the mayor of Rio Rancho, whose term would have been extended a year and a half, also happens to be running for governor. And so this way he could keep his mayorship and run for governor at the same time and not have to make the choice. Right. So the people showed up, there was some really great testimony, and at the end, the, the mayor recused himself because he was voting, because he was running for governor.

And it was actually a tie vote. Now, my question for the council and was why was it a tie vote? When we look at the council and the, the actual composition of Rio Rancho, we have the lowest crime rate for a large city in New Mexico. We are the place where people want to go. And it’s because it’s been a conservative community for, since its establishment. And on the council, you know, it’s supposedly nonpartisan races, but we know there are two Democrats and there are four Republicans, right. And so the vote was tie, three to three.

Since the tie couldn’t be broke, the ordinance failed. And so it was really a very interesting evening. It showed the dynamics and how those particular counselors were having to be brought to the public and be held accountable basically for choosing to ext. Extend their own terms and, you know, going against what a majority of the people in this community had voted for in 2012. So it was a win. And I think that’s because of education. SG I think it’s because people are paying more attention and encouraged to speak up. You know, before we just kind of like lulled asleep.

You know, if you, if things are going well in your community, you just, just Continue with your life, but you don’t pay attention. Right. So anyway, that, that was a very positive thing and I think in New Mexico, I think that we will continue to see positive things. We have little groups all over the state. I can call down in southern New Mexico to a group of people that are working on election integrity, that are working on trying to get pornographic books out of their public schools, that are working on all of these just conservative family oriented issues.

And slowly but surely we’re connecting. You know, the web is, is getting bigger and we’re connecting and I think that’s in a large part to do with truth getting out there and for people knowing that they’re not alone, that there are lots of people in the state that are concerned. When you look at the traditions, when you look at Hispanic traditions, they’re, they’re very strong family oriented traditions. You know, when you look at Native American, American culture, it’s family oriented. You know, they, they live in groups of family. And when you have laws and rules and, and people that are destroying that fabric, it makes people start thinking what, well, what happened.

And I think that the beginning of that was with the corruption of elections. And it’s not just, I wish I could say it was one problem. I wish I could say, okay, it’s the machines, let’s pull those back and everything will be great. But it’s not, you know, that’s why they haven’t really been able to, to pinpoint one thing. We’ve got problems with electronics, we have problems with Internet connectivity on that. We have problems with voter roles, voter registration. We have NGOs out there that are registering and helping illegal. And I’m not afraid to say it because if you come in, not legally, then it’s illegal, people coming in.

You know, there was a meeting between some of our legislators and the Secretary of State’s office and the MVD and the MVD Motor Vehicles Division. They recognize that people come to them to get driver’s license with, with fraudulent documents. They know that that’s happening. In the fall, last fall, the Secretary of State sent 105000 Ebus eligible but unregistered little cards to people based on the MVD database. And we know that because of the illegals that have driver’s licenses, they got them. We had one household down in the Roswell area. She got five cards to five different names.

They’re Hispanic, they had never lived there. She built that house. And then she started getting credit card applications and in some of those people’s names I mean, that is the fraud that is going on. And, you know, I think people need. They’re. They are waking up to that. They’re feeling a little bit easier about voicing what’s happening in their communities because of the change in leadership on a federal level. No one counts on New Mexico. All right, because the government in New Mexico has been run for 90 years by, I want to say, Democrats and then progressives, because there’s a difference.

And so I think they’re feeling a little bit more comfortable about letting people know about things that are happening, such as the five cards or, you know, we get a call that a neighbor was very proud that he voted and he’s not a legal resident. And so we had someone that reached out and said, hey, this person. Person voted. And we know he voted, but he’s not a legal person. Well, the Secretary of State tells us, well, I have no way of checking their legal status. So, you know, it’s. It’s quite the challenge in New Mexico.

And I always remind people when we look at corruption in New Mexico, New Mexico welcomed Epstein’s ranch with open arms. No one was ever prosecuted for what went on in that ranch. The government knew. Knew all about it. And actually, it’s very close to Santa Fe. So that’s the kind of culture that we’re fighting. To be honest with you. If I could jump in here, I wanna. If, If I may, I. I just want to talk about the city councilor meeting that Ramona was referencing. I want your audience to understand how important it is when you get together and you make your voices heard.

Because here’s what would have happened had we not known about this. And, you know, I’ve got 10 platforms, and I sent this out to thousands of people, and we packed that chamber. That chamber normally has zero public comments. There was standing room only. Even Senator J. Block joined us, and he had to stand. He couldn’t even find a seat. And we were lucky. We had one of our commissioners from Sandoval county sitting right in front of us, who witnessed all of us who are there every two weeks talking to him and in our. Our, you know, our board of commissioners.

But these counselors, had they not had us there and given us the opportunity, which was late. We had to wait four hours. Meeting started at 6. Wasn’t until 9:45 before we got to get up and do two minutes of public comment. And we had 16 people speak if they would not have given us that time. And some of them ran over on their two minutes and they allowed us to finish and listen to what we had to say. What would have happened is they would have just voted on this, voter ID would have been gone and it would have been history.

However we, we got a chance to speak. We showed up, we made our First Amendment voices heard, we did a polite, respectful, Christian like manner and we got the ears of three of those folks. One was, I believe, a Democrat that voted no. It wasn’t okay. We had one Republican that voted the opposite way, that voted in favor to get rid of this, but we had three that hurt us and they voted yes. And three to three is a tie. And a tie is a fail. Means it won’t happen and it’s done. So this was a huge victory because we got the word out.

We showed up, we spoke, they listened and they voted and did what was right. And I want that to be a message to your audience across the nation how important it is. No matter what county, what state you’re in, if you get together and you do these things, you can make good things happen. And I just wanted to really stress that point. It was a beautiful thing to see. I woke up the next morning, SG and I, I told my better half, I says, I don’t know what’s wrong with me. She goes, what do you mean? I said, I got this feeling.

I got this feeling of like joy and happiness and I, you know, like victory. And I’m not used to it. And she says, that’s because we did have a huge victory last night. I says, I know I’m being sarcastic, but I’m not used to that feeling because this fight is not an easy fight, as you know, as Ramona knows and you know firsthand. Sg, this is not an easy fight. And you get, you get far and few victories and successes over. A lot of times you’re hitting brick walls and dead ends. So I just want to encourage your audience, and you too, to continue doing what you’re doing.

Because it’s people like you that make a difference, just like it is us. It doesn’t matter what platform you’re on, as long as you’re on the same page and you’re doing the same good work, good things can happen. Well said. And it is worth remembering that some of the greatest wars in all of our history were won with just a handful of successful battles. And with that in mind, you know, Ms. Goolsbee and you know, Mr. Veltri, I have to ask you all are dealing with this microcosm of corruption, but we do have movement, some amount of cooperation, some amount of not there’s, you know, alliance and there’s resistance going on.

What is the takeaway for the audience out there that may be, you know, contemplating undertaking some of these activities in their own communities as the next county commissioner or city commissioner’s meeting? Well, I would say just don’t ever be afraid to show up. It doesn’t even, you don’t even have to speak. It absolutely shocks commissions and boards and, and anybody else when they have someone come and sit in their chamber who actually looks at their agenda, their websites, talk to them as your, your representative. Because that’s what they are. They’re just like you and me. And that’s one thing that I, I get told a lot is, well, no one ever bothered to tell me that or no one ever pointed that out.

The amount of bills and the amount of statutes, the amount of ordinances, the amount of resolutions, all of these things, things that they have to deal with. They’re just like you and me. You know, that’s constant reading, that’s. And they’re not experts in every field because I’m not. So when they hear from people, it’s important. And that’s, that’s my takeaway is, is don’t sit back. And if for people that don’t like to speak, that’s fine. The pen is mightier than the sword and we all have the opportunity to do that. And I know that there’s a movement right now.

It’s, they have a website, it’s one day, one vote dot org. They’re, they’re doing a letter writing campaign to in encourage executive orders to continue to strengthen our election system. I mean that’s, that’s one thing you can do. It’s not anything that’s going to take you a lot of time, time, but it means that you are participating in the process and that you can take ownership of that and that’s important. So yeah, in addition to what Ramona said at the state and at the federal level, you can always write your House and Senate representatives, your elected officials, you can phone call them.

You know, Ramona’s going to Washington D.C. what another week? Next week, next week. And she’s going to actually meet with some of them. But you know, not everybody can do that but show up. Like she said, butts in the seat make a difference. I guarantee you Sandoval, not Sandoval, Rio Rancho Council did not see what was about to happen that night till that chamber was packed and not a seat was to be had. I invited a reporter who’s a friend of mine to be there to get the scoop, to cover the story. And there was actually a news station there.

They broadcasted a news link on the, on the news. Some of our speakers that got up and spoke were featured in this news story as well as the television story. A great exposure and it shows what you can do when you don’t. Like you said, just sit on your butt and do nothing. Do something, a phone call, show up, speak if you feel encountered to do so. Emails, and not just at the state and local level, but at the federal level when necessary. You know, I’ve, I’ve written emails to people in D.C. but I’ll tell you what, the last thing they can do if they are not able to do some of these others because of their schedules.

And I’m not here to judge how people uses their time. The one thing they can always do is they can always pray for the success and the improvements to occur that need to happen to make this world as well as this United States a better place to live. And I think we are on a mission to make that happen worldwide. For the first time in my life, I’ve never seen anything happening. Like I see what’s happening across the nation, across the world today day. Just look at the last four days of what Trump accomplished abroad and you know, I’m just like blown away.

It’s like, wow, I’m kind of a proud American again because for a while I was kind of not so proud. Even though I was an American. I would never give that right up. I’m proud to be an American. I’m proud to see the things that are happening today and things are, are happening. So at the very least, you know, say a prayer, you know, for the success of these things that occur. If you can’t physically get out and do something. Wise and powerful words indeed. So my last question then for both of you is how patriots can reach out, potentially learn more about the work that you all are doing on the ground there and support it if they would like to.

Well, they can go to. I give you Ramona’s direct number. Actually, it’s pretty easy. You know, they can go to New Mexico Election Transparency Network, which is nmet network.org okay? They can go to that website. They can reach out to me directly at J veltries V E L T R I s m s n.com and I can also be reached on my cell number 602-663-2266. I’m very transparent. I’m very easy to get a hold of and they’re welcome to do that. Yes. And and I actually am not on the board but I can be reached through Inmet Network as well.

Email address is Ramona R A M O n a Lawson cl a w s o n@yahoo.com so yeah, we’d be happy to hear from any of your audience members across the nation if they would like to know more about what we’re doing and have been doing for almost four years. You know, if they want to start something or they want to improve on what they’re doing because they like some of the things we’re doing, feel free to reach out to us. We’d love to hear from you and SG again. I just got to thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you do day in and day out.

This is a huge sacrifice, you and your family. Do I know the trials and tribulations you’ve had to deal with, especially as of recent and yet you don’t go away. You just dust yourself off. You keep forging forward. You keep making these kind of calls happen. I listen to the the Shasta call about a month ago and what that group of people like us here in New Mexico are doing and I was blown away and I was like, ramona, we’re not alone. There’s another group out there. You need to listen to this, this, you know, video that SG put out and I says it’s time for me to do a follow up.

I’m going to reach out and I want to try to get on his schedule. And here we are. We did it. But Shasta is just another great example. And you, you have many examples like Sandoval county and Shasta that you go out there to remind us we’re not alone. There are a lot of people out there trying to do good things. So thank you for that. Well, I have to say you caught me off guard with the flattering and honoring compliment there at the end of the show. It truly does take a team effort. And Mr.

Veltri and Ms. Goolsbee, I want to thank you personally and professionally for coming on the show and doing the work that you’re doing in New Mexico for the audience out there. If you’d like to learn a little bit more about these efforts and potentially undertake some of them yourself, you can navigate to the links in the description box below the video or check out nmetnetwork.org this is SG and on. I’ll be back with each and every one of you again soon on the QNews Patriot. God bless everybody stay safe today. Thanks. Bye bye. Thank you.
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