When Criminals ARE the System: Inside Minnesotas Billion-Dollar Fraud Network w/ Jon Justice

➡ Money sent overseas by individuals often ends up in the hands of terrorists, which is a problem that needs addressing. Additionally, there’s a scam involving gold IRAs where people are losing a significant portion of their savings. In Minnesota, there’s a concerning situation involving the Somalian community, money laundering, and potential threats to national security. The conversation also touches on the issue of censorship and the need for open dialogue about these problems.
➡ The discussion revolves around the Somali community, where some believe that crimes and issues are overlooked due to fear of being labeled racist. The conversation also touches on the influence of clan-based politics within the community and the potential for these structures to support agendas beyond local politics. The speakers express frustration over the lack of attention to these issues and the need for law enforcement to address them without being hindered by accusations of racism.
➡ The article discusses the frustration with perceived hypocrisy and lack of accountability in handling crimes within certain communities. It criticizes the media and certain institutions for their biased portrayal of events, particularly in relation to ICE raids and the arrest of illegal immigrants with criminal backgrounds. The article suggests that this bias and lack of focus on the actual crimes being committed can embolden criminals and perpetuate false narratives. It also highlights the need for nuanced conversations and better communication to address these issues effectively.
➡ The text discusses the issues of illegal immigration, human trafficking, and the misuse of funds by businesses. It also introduces a product called Sloop, which mimics exercise and has shown promising results in pre-clinical studies. The text emphasizes the importance of nuanced conversations about these issues and the changing landscape of media consumption, with more people turning to social media for news. It ends by highlighting the need for careful consideration of cultural dynamics in communities and the potential misuse of funds sent to unstable regions.
➡ The text discusses the issue of immigrants sending money overseas, which may unintentionally end up supporting terrorist organizations. It also highlights the need to respect and stabilize immigrant communities while addressing potential criminal elements within them. The text further explores the situation of illegal immigration, emphasizing that while most immigrants aim to improve their lives, some may engage in criminal activities. Lastly, it calls for open conversations and investigations to address these issues effectively.
➡ The speaker discusses concerns about fraud within community programs, particularly those aimed at vulnerable populations. They believe that early intervention could have prevented the growth of fraudulent activities, which have now reached hundreds of millions of dollars. The speaker also criticizes the lack of action from those in power, suggesting that they ignored warnings about the fraud. Finally, they express frustration about the potential long-term damage caused by these issues, including harm to vulnerable children and the community’s trust in its leaders.
➡ The article discusses the political situation surrounding a prominent figure who is not handling scrutiny well, with his public appearances and interviews being seen as disasters. The media is not giving him a free pass and is highlighting his inaccuracies. The article also touches on a significant fraud issue, which is seen as a systemic problem in the country. The author expresses a desire for bipartisan support to clean up these fraud networks, but sees the current political climate as a barrier to achieving this.

This money is being sent there specifically to fund terrorism. And that’s not necessarily the case. That’s true, yeah. It’s just that individuals have been sending money there and by default it’s More than likely, nine times out of 10, a certain percentage is going to land in the hands of these, of these terrorists. And so you back up and you look at that particular issue and you have to ask the question, okay, can we do anything, do we do anything about it? From the standpoint of there isn’t nothing, there isn’t anything specifically inherently wrong with an individual sending money overseas to family.

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And, and first I want to stress that this is not a racism conversation. I think that racism has been weaponized and the fact that we aren’t able to acknowledge that there’s something’s going on and that we can’t get to the bottom of. Money laundering and crime that could actually undermine our national security is just ludicrous. And when you hear the details of what’s really going on in those communities, you start to think, what the heck, why is this being allowed to happen for so long? I did a substack article. And I was just, just on Dave Janda’s show.

And you can hear that on my substack@Sarah Westall.substack.com, i’ll have a link directly to that if you want to hear it because I’m from this from Minnesota too. And so I’ve been following this for a while and you can hear the different areas of concern for from that community. And John has been following it probably even deeper than I have been as far as the details of the fraud and kind of the jaw dropping. He thinks that by the time this is all said and done and all this information comes out, we’re going to be talking about six to eight billion dollars worth of money that’s being funneled and stolen outside out of Minnesota.

That is significant amount of money from a state like Minnesota. And then I ask him, you know, how big is this? What are the implications for the country at large? And how does this show the patterns of criminal activity and NGOs and laundering? And I mean, he’s in line with me. This is massive. This shows you more of a pattern of criminal behavior that, you know, and I say at the end here, it shouldn’t be a partisan issue if we really want to get to the bottom of crime and these criminal networks that are really harming our country.

This should be a bipartisan issue. It shouldn’t be a Republican or and you know, Republicans are trying to fix it and Democrats aren’t, or Democrats are fixing certain things and Republicans are bigots and racists. I mean, this is ridiculous. We need to get passed and we talk about that a lot in this conversation. There are some things going on in the Somalian community that Democrats would normally pay attention to if they really believe their own rhetoric. Like girls, that 98% of girls in Somalia get the female mutilation, you know, genital mutilation. That should be a hot button issue for Democrats.

But when it comes to that community, they ignore it as if it’s not happening. And there’s evidence, documented evidence that girls are being shipped back to the country and that it is happening quietly in the neighborhoods on a documented, regular basis. And they’re ignoring that that kind of stuff is not acceptable. And how is this happening? And it’s because we have these political rhetoric camps that are so fired up and are so they’ve lost their minds and we’re not able to have these kind of conversations. I tend to speak plainly. And because I speak plainly and I just say it like it is, I tend to offend a lot of people.

I don’t mean to offend people. I’m just, like, saying, stating things plainly. I’m not sugarcoating things. And I’m realizing that a lot of my words are censored, these trigger words. If I framed it like a academic kind of thing, then it’s not censored. But if I say it plainly where regular people can understand it, then I’m censored. And that’s wrong. That’s the censorship regime right now. You have to, you have to coach things in academic terms so you’re not censored, but you can say the exact same thing. And that’s wrong. We should be able to say things plainly.

And for example, you can’t use the word globalist, but you can say that powerful institutions are having international influence at incredibly high levels, or you can say something like that. But I can’t say globalists. You know what I mean? Come on. That just cuts to the cheese. But I can say it in an academic way. That’s a kind of BS censorship that we need to get rid of. But anyways, I think you’ll appreciate this conversation that I have with John Justice. He’s very informed on what’s going on in the Somalian communities. I also bring up the recent comments by Donald Trump, and he.

I got his intake on it. I don’t like anybody being referred to as garbage because it’s not appropriate, it’s wrong. And you never associate that term to a whole group of people. It’s just not appropriate. But then again, there are things that are going on and we should be talking about it. So if you want to hear more of my commentary on this, go to Sarah Westall, substack.com Again, I’ll have the direct link to that article and show I did with Dr. Dave Janda, and it was on his operations Freedom Channel this following weekend. But. Okay, here is my conversation with analyst and host John justice, who has done incredible work in this area uncovering these networks and what’s really going on.

Hi, John. Welcome to the program. Thank you so much for, for having me. Happy to be here. So you’re in Minnesota and you’ve been tracking the Somalian crime issue for the last, I don’t know, many years. And I wanted to get, you know, I’ve been covering it as well, but you have really dived into the details of the crime. And I think people will be pretty shocked at how, how incredible some of this is. Yeah. And the fact that they’re a pretty much A protected voting bloc that doesn’t get the scrutiny that they should because they have a lot of power, frankly, in that.

In the Twin Cities area. And, and even to the point where walls had over 400 people, I understand, bring the attention of the major, you know, feed Our Starving Children scandal, and he ignored it. Well, it’s really interesting for a lot of different. A lot of different aspects, but it’s only just now grabbed national attention. And so from, like, my perspective, we have new information that came about the City Journal article that came out about, I think about three weeks ago that Christopher Rufo had done, along with, and I forget his first name, Thorpe, basically detailing the allegations of money from fraud via the autism centers, going over and potentially landing in the hands of terrorist organizations really brought this all to the forefront.

I bring it up because you’re right, we’ve been covering this for a long time on the show, and now it’s like we’re all watching the rest of the country catch up to what we’ve known about for so long. And so it’s a unique position for me to be in, being a commentator and a host from. Yeah, we’ve been talking about this for a long time, but now everybody’s interested. And so now we’re getting into it, you know, even further than we did before, if that makes sense. So it’s like watching everybody’s reaction to something that we’ve known for a long time has been really, really interesting.

But you’re right, this is a. A portion of our population here that really has gone without a level of scrutiny that’s deserved. And you’re kind of seeing the reason why now, because anybody that brings up the Somali community in reference to this, depending on who you’re talking to, you’re immediately labeled, you know, a racist just for including the facts of the situation of what we’re dealing with. And so I think that’s in large part why they’ve avoided scrutiny for so many years. Well, I think it’s a tactic, right? They’re weaponizing racism so that if you ever say anything now, you’re a racist.

And so what. What’s happening is, is that you’re not able to actually look at real crime. And they’re getting away with so many things that you wouldn’t normally get away with. It’s a really. A useful tactic. I’m not particularly happy with the garbage comments, you know, that came out of the administrator. I don’t think that’s helpful because now they have. They’re plastering that 24, 7, over, over the news so that nobody talks about it, and then it gives them more weapons to say if you’re going to talk about it, you’re a racist and it’s just not helpful.

Well, it’s interesting. I agree with you, but let me present you a different angle on that. Okay. If I were advising President Donald Trump, I would have said avoid making those comments. Right. That being said, those claims of racism are going to be made regardless. It’s so typical when it comes to Trump. Regardless of what he says he’s going to get, he’s going to criticize for it. Those were a bit over the top. However, one, you’re going to have that label anyways, regardless. If the President said that somebody would be focused on my comments or somebody else’s comments, even though mine haven’t been nearly as egregious.

The one thing that I will say that Trump did accomplish in making those comments, and again, I want to stress, don’t support what he said, but what it did enable, it did provide the opportunity for individuals to, in my opinion, feel like they could speak a little bit more freely on the issue. Meaning Trump went so far and to go and make these comments that were over the top. Right? Right. He really did. He kind of, he kind of laid out a Runway for individuals to feel a little bit more confident speaking the truth of what’s going on.

You know, when I talk about it on the show, it’s a really difficult situation to navigate because you need to focus on the culture within the Somali community. Why is this taking place in the Somali community? One thing that I’ve stressed and a lot of people have, that have been commenting on has been, you know, the solution to this is not about anybody’s identity. It is not about where they came from, what their religion, what their background is, the color of their skin. The solution is simply upholding the law. But we can’t dismiss that 90% of this, Rob, being perpetuated is happening in one, in one community.

Of course, the looking at it from a prosecutorial standpoint and not looking at somebody’s identity gets lost in the conversation. Again, the fact that you’re simply talking about the Somali community at all is enough for, you know, some people to just go and dismiss your, your commentary outright. Well, and then they’re not serious people either. If they say that this particular community are angels and they don’t, that we won’t look into any of the crime in this area that is disrespectful to the people at large. Right. It’s harmful. Now, I would have a different take on the Trump thing.

I would say that we probably did bully some trails. I don’t know if that’s, you know, a positive or not. However, it did bring a lot of attention to an issue. Right. I think at what cost? I don’t know, but it really is important. But I got to say that there are some issues here that actually kind of pisses me off, that they aren’t looking at, even for their party to be looking at, like the female genital mutilation that’s going on in that culture that they’re overlooking because 98% of the Somalian girls have that done to them.

And it is known, it is active, and it’s happening in this community, and they’re turning a blind eye. So that is hypocrisy at a massive scale. Well, and we have large populations of different immigrant communities here in Minnesota. It’s not just the Somali community. You know, we have a large Vietnamese community. We have a large Hmong community. But the difference is we’re not seeing what we’re seeing in terms of the fraud from those other communities. They have their own identities within their community. They have their own businesses that they run. But we haven’t seen fraud coming from other immigrant communities.

Like, we have this one particular community either. And it creates, again, an interesting talking point and just another facet of what we’re dealing with that, in my opinion, points to asking the question of why is it so, you know, predominantly in this one community that we’re dealing with this fraud, where we’re not seeing it in other immigrant communities here in the state? Well, don’t you think it also goes back to the clan base political structure that they have? And that’s what people aren’t realizing is that they’re. It’s like the Scottish clans. Right. I’m. A lot of my heritage is Scottish.

Doesn’t mean that I’m a bad person, because the Scottish people operated as a clan. But if you look at the way that that operated, and it still does in many other countries, it is really relevant here because what’s happening is these clans are operating at a transnational level. It’s not just in Somalia. It’s wherever they’re at, and it’s international, and they reign over any local politics. Well, and we’re hearing that this may have been. It’s funny, you bring that up really quick. I called it. Somebody was talking about the rings within the Somali community. You know, CL rings, you know, pick whatever label you want, and I had labeled it on the show, you know, fraud of the Rings, basing it off of Lord of the Rings, because of what we were seeing.

But there’s been a lot of conversation post the recent election for the Minneapolis mayoral race that the reason why Jacob Fry was able to beat Omar Fateh is exactly what you’re talking about. There was some, you know, some clashes taking place within different factions of the Somali community that didn’t agree. One faction that supported the current mayor, Jacob Fry, and the other that supported Omar Fateh because it was assumed going into the race that all of the Somali community would be going for Omar Fateh. And then they didn’t. And this is when what you’re speaking to started to get attention because we hadn’t talked at all, to be honest with you, about the different, you know, rings, factions, clans within that community.

Up until the past couple of months when all of this stuff started to blow up, it hadn’t even been part of the conversation. Well, and it’s, it’s really relevant because those power structures are in other countries and supporting other agendas. And so when you start tracking the money trail going out of this country to, I don’t know what else, you know, they’re saying, ISIS backed groups and some terrorists and undermining our national security, that becomes pretty serious, doesn’t it? Yeah, yeah, no, it really does. And it underscores the importance of what President Donald Trump is, is doing, you know, with his, I call him deportation correction efforts because for me it really is correcting what’s, you know, what has happened over the course of the past four years.

And it’s frustrating because everything that we’re talking about, it’s a lot easier to get into the nuances in a format like this. And I know you, you, you realize that, you know, when I’m doing the radio show, I’m stuck in these blocks and I’ve got to make it palatable and all of this. So it’s, you know, I’m, I’m glad to be on with you today that we can kind of unpack this further. But it’s difficult because it is a very complex issue. And yet all we’re seeing at the surface level is just the pushback from the activist organizations, the Democrat politicians, to any activity relating to ice, when in reality what it is they’re attempting to root out in enforcing the law is exactly what you’re talking about.

It is that aspect of the criminal part within the community and those that have immigrated here, that doesn’t get discussed. And yet, you know, the activists are just trying to make a name for themselves in dollars, you know, wield more influence. And this type of commentary and conversation gets lost in the shuffle in the wake of all of that propaganda. Well, and the DOJ reports, FBI reports show that, that there has been an outsized recruitment level going into ISIS from Minnesota that is larger than any other state in the country. I mean, it’s pretty serious that we look at this now that doesn’t mean the entire Somalian community.

I got, that’s why I brought up the, the female mutilation. If you gave a crap and we looked at these people like people instead of a voting block that, that has power, you’d be caring about these young girls that are being mutilated. That’s why I get angry with the, the hypocrisy because it’s like you’re ignoring the crime and then you’re not caring about the true victims that are in that community. Well, and it’s so frustrating because even today I heard different commentary from separate sources. One from the Minneapolis Times, David Schult Hamlin professor, he’s kind of the go to guy for local media here when it comes to anything politically related.

And they both were taking this, this separation stance of, you know, this is really, when it comes to the fraud, really just about what the DFL has done in these programs, the corruption and allowing it to happen, and again, dismissing completely the Somali community aspect of it. But the problem is, is that what you mentioned, enforce the law to hold people accountable, but focus on who’s perpetuating it. Because if you don’t, it’s just going to enable the bad elements of those community to feel like, hey, we’ve been getting off on this all along. And even in the middle of this, gaining nationwide attention, they’re still not going and pointing to us specifically.

And so what does that do to an individual’s mindset that already has a, you know, a penchant for, for wanting to do crime? It just makes me feel like, well, you know, what if I’m not going to be criticized over this, I guess I don’t have anything to worry about. I’ll continue on with the way that I’ve been, you know, conducting myself, whether it’s within the children in that community or within the fraud that’s being perpetuated through these, through these taxpayer funded programs. Yeah, I mean, if you ignore the crime to the point that they have where Walls ignores 400 plus employees saying something where girls are being mutilated where criminal, you know, funds are being siphoned out, and they get to the point where they’re so emboldened, you.

You have a problem that’s larger than we should. Right. I mean, they’re, they’re creating this monster. Well, yeah. And as. And even there was. I had a listener that shared this with me today. They work in the medical field for Park Nicollet. Right. Health Partners, Park Nicollet. And they have their own policies of staying neutral on all these issues, and yet they’re putting out press releases, memos and emails to their employees talking about the racism within the community because of the ICE raids taking place and how it’s isolating to certain communities. I mean, they’re taking a political stance on this.

And so it did. It speaks to this conditioning that we’ve seen from so many various entities that vow that they’re going to stay politically neutral and they should. Is he talking about the healthcare industry? And yet they’re not. And so what does that do to individuals who are just paying attention to this on the surface level, when they hear from a trusted individual or a trusted entity like a healthcare provider that’s saying the same things as the activists are or Democrats are? I mean, it just reinforces all of this wrong mindset relating to tackling this issue.

It just protects, it perpetuates that false narrative that’s coming from Democrats right now. Well, if you listen to the Media, it is 247 that they’re being abused and that they’re being attacked. And then the, the Trump comments are playing as if it’s on this rotating wheel. You know, so if I was, and I listened to NPR because I want to hear the different perspectives, so I listen to all sides, and so I can be informed. And I can tell you if I was not hearing and not doing my own investigative work and that I was just in that bubble, you could really sway a lot of people to think that they were attacked and that, that.

And there are situations that maybe the ICE and the government needs to look at saying, okay, how are we doing this? Where there are situations where we’re, we’re being abusive and where is it that we. And how do we communicate this better? But it’s not good to just simply say that it’s all bad. Right. I think nuance that’s missing in these conversations that are making it to the point where we’re not taking care of crime. Well, and the way the activists go and portray any sort of altercation that the community has with ice, it diminishes the possibility of getting to an actual event wherein ICE may have overstepped its bounds.

Listen, I support immigrations and Customs Enforcement just like I support law enforcement. But nobody’s perfect and these entities aren’t perfect. And mistakes get made all the time. But the way the activists and the protesters continue to deal with all of these different raids taking place, they’re the ones causing the chaos to the point where every little individual thing that happens is an up in arms, you know, four alarm fire moment when they’re not. And so if there is something egregious that may have, that may have taken place via ICE enforcement, it gets lost in all of it.

Nobody pays attention to any of it anymore. Becomes white noise. For those that support ice, it becomes white noise. And for those that don’t support ice, they just believe that all of what they’re doing is wrong. It’s interesting too, because the media takes this, the local media in town, and at this point it’s become so automatic. I’ve been covering, I’ve been doing radio now for going on 30 years. I used to work for, when I worked in Tucson before I was here, we were partnered with a radio station. And so I was able to get in on some of those production meetings and stuff like that.

So it was really interesting to get that background. And the way the media frames these stories depending on the circumstances, it’s crazy. Like if you see an individual who got busted for a DUI and let’s say they had a family, let’s say there was an only father, an only mother, they got busted for a dui, the news outlet’s not going to go and focus on the children in regards to that. They’re going to say, you know, an individual was busted for a DUI and whatever if it ends up being newsworthy. And yet with the circumstances surrounding the ICE raids, suddenly now the kids are front and center in all of this.

Oh, and a children was involved, even though the person that ICE was going to arrest was a registered sex offender. But they still play it up like, oh, and the poor children are left without a father. Well, that happens all the time. And I don’t even think the media realizes like that innate bias that just gets injected into the storytelling that really does create these, these narratives within these situations that ends up bolstering a lot of the arguments against the enforcement that’s been taking place. Yeah, that’s why I have a hard time. I, I have to turn it off every so often.

And both sides, I do. When it gets extreme, when they don’t hear the nuance. I have to turn it off and go, oh my God, this is so bad. Because exactly what you’re saying is when they’re protecting a pedophile at the ex, you know, expense of the children, but protecting a pedophile so they can forward their agenda, it is extremely frustrating for those of us that understand what’s really happening. Right. Well, that’s beyond the pale. Well, yesterday and, and I know I keep referring to my show, but I just talk about this stuff so often. So it’s just, it’s sort of just a bit of a crutch of mine, but I.

There was two different stories that broke over the weekend. There was a situation at Augsburg University where there was an individual that was taken in by ice and then there was a Burnsville raid by, by ice. And these were just kind of of one shot stories the news had covered heading out of the weekend. And I made note of it because I’m like, you watch, both of these stories are going to end up becoming political hot buttons. And sure enough, they did. Now, the Augsburg University story was interesting because you had faculty members pushing back on ice, going and arresting this individual.

And so all of these statements put out, you know, pushing back against law enforcement, what they were doing. And I actually, I waited to get all the information before I dove into it on the show. And it turns out the individual that was arrested was, was an illegal immigrant and was also a sex offender. But that never gets the follow up within the media from the initial story and the Burnsville raid, something similar had taken place. There was somebody that was renting out rooms in their home, didn’t do either knew that they were harboring individuals that were here illegally or just didn’t do their due diligence in renting out that room.

And therefore that individual had a criminal background record and was arrested as well. But if you look at the initial stories as they were written, the aspect of the background of the individuals that were arrested were never, was never covered, you know, when it comes to that story. And so you just feel like, you know, ICE is just out there arresting all these individuals and these are, you know, good people just trying to make a better life. When in reality it goes beyond them just being here illegally. They had gone and conducted other crime. But it’s just not the story that you get in your, in your regular media from the program to share with you something amazing.

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You know, a lot of businesses need these employees. And if you don’t address what’s really happening, you have all these businesses doing human trafficking taking advantage of these people. I’m not saying all businesses, but there’s. It opens a vacuum to allow that to occur. And because we’re not allowed to talk about the nuances of this, we enable the criminal activity of human trafficking. We enable the criminal activity of absolute businesses abusing these vulnerable people. And then we’re also enabling bad actors to come into this country and send money back to their countries. So it’s like both sides are losing if we can’t have these conversations.

Well, the good news is there are platforms like yours and, and the way the media is changing and how people are receiving their news has changed dramatically. You know, people watching the news is a lot less, you know, People are watching the news a lot less. A lot more people are turning to social networking platforms to get their news. And not to say it’s all perfect there, right? We’re talking about citizen reporting, right? Not. Not at all. But. Yeah, but you are. You are getting. You are seeing more and more voices out there that are speaking truth.

Now, that requires individuals to make sure they do their own due diligence, which is tough. But that is to say that, you know, I try to be optimistic about these things because I agree with you. One of the biggest talking points that I’ve had on the show for a number of years is exactly what you’re talking about. All the conversations we are not allowed to have. Right. That’s the problem is that so many of these conversations we simply are not allowed to have. The Somali one is another one. You know, we’re just simply not allowed to have that conversation because of political reasons and everything that we already talked about.

But the good news is, is that there are more and more platforms that are gaining a lot more viewers where they are seeing, you know, the details and the nuance. I mean, the fact that you and I are having this conversation and getting into it is a. Is a part of that now. Is that going to be enough in the future to change things, to sway elections, to kind of bring us back to some sense of civility or sanity within our politics? I. I don’t know. I’d like to believe it is, but, you know, I leave that up to.

To God. We’ll see what he has. We’ll see what he has in store for the future. Well, yeah, I mean, but there’s a certain point where. Where are we crossing the red line, where the ignoring this becomes such a problem for our country that it’s almost stupidity. Right. Are we so blinded by our political rhetorics and our camps that we’re enabling some pretty serious things to go on? Sending money, traffic, laundering money through NGOs that are supposed to help people and sending it back to possibly terrorist organizations. Right. I mean, really. And then what else is this community? You know, I had some indigenous folks that follow me, and I’ve had some really impassioned people.

You would think because they’re aligned with the left, right? You would think they would be, but they’re just impassioned. Telling me, Sarah, when they took. Brought all these people, when the, when the settlers came and took our lands, this is how they’re talking gave me a different perspective, like, oh, okay, when the settlers took our land back, you know, hundreds of Years ago, they didn’t come to not take over. And people were so naive and they took our homeland. This isn’t any different than the Somalians coming now. And we have to be careful. And I was just like kind of sat back and I thought, wow, this is somebody who is an indigenous.

These people are indigenous people trying to educate me on how to look at this community. And those people are the ones that the Democrats seem to be aligned with. It was just a very interesting. This is what I’m talking about, nuance and being smart about how we do these things. And also we have zip codes and school systems with inside Minnesota, where the threshold, the tipping point where you bring in more than 30% of any culture. I don’t care what culture it is. It is. It doesn’t matter what culture. It changes. They take over and it changes the dynamics of the local community.

And sociologists know this and we just blindly are moving forward and not paying attention. Well, and hopefully all of this is a wake up call so that people can begin to discuss this. And when you think of the average individual that’s watching all this, I mean, this is, these are difficult things for me as a, you know, as sort of a seasoned radio host for me to navigate now. I know where my heart is, I know what my commentary is going to be. But you still have to choose your words, you know, appropriately. Right. Because you don’t want to be misheard.

You don’t want to speak out of turn for the average individual to tackle this stuff that’s never dealt with being in the public spotlight or any scrutiny of. I mean, that’s a really, really hard thing for people to deal with. So hopefully, hopefully the conversation helps in that. But let me add something though, because it’s interesting you mentioned, you know, the nuance aspect of it and the money going over to potentially fund terrorist organizations like Al Shabaab and Somalia. Well, let’s just talk just for. Give me, give me 90 seconds on this. Because you want to talk about nuance.

Well, think about it from this perspective. You know, those remittances, we know that there’s remittances that have been going into Somalia from Minnesota for a long time. People just sending money back to individuals that are living there, there because of the dynamics in Somalia, how they don’t have really a central organized government, you know, and those terrorist organizations really kind of run the show. The show there just want to throw this in. Their state has really been declared a failed state since 1991. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if anybody Wants sort of a real easy snapshot. Go watch Black Hawk Down.

Right? Just watch the beginning of the opening scenes of Black Hawk Down. You get a bit of a bit of a sense of what’s going on over there. My point being that I don’t want to see my taxpayer dollars through this fraud, going and landing in the hands of terrorists. But at the same time, there is a perception given out that this money is being sent there specifically to fund terrorism. And that’s not necessarily the case. That’s true, yeah. It’s just that individuals have been sending money there, and by default, it’s More than likely, nine times out of 10, a certain percentage is going to land in the hands of these, of these terrorists.

And so you back up and you look at that particular issue and you have to ask the question, okay, can we do anything, do we do anything about it? From the standpoint of there isn’t nothing, there isn’t anything specifically inherently wrong with an individual sending money overseas to family. However, the byproduct, unintended consequence of that is that it’s ending up in the hands of terrorist organizations, most likely. So once you kind of have the fuller picture and you get into the nuance, then you can begin to address the issue, if it’s even an addressable. An addressable issue.

Well, I think that’s why the nuance is so important to say, okay, how do we make sure we stabilize communities? How do we make sure we respect the communities that are there already? And then how do we make sure that the crime is. Doesn’t. I mean, we don’t want to. They have to follow the local laws, period, end of story. And then how do we make sure that we aren’t being naive and allowing these, these cells that come in. Right. I mean, it’s just, it’s different. Okay, now let’s look at, like, the Mexican community, although there’s the whole nother thread with the Mexican cartels and, and sure, all that.

Okay. But putting that aside, a lot, most of the workers that come in do remittances and send money back to their family to support their family. That is the majority situation. It’s probably the majority situation with Somalia and other communities as well. But that doesn’t mean that you don’t dissect it and go, okay, where are the criminal drug trafficking elements in these communities? Where are the terrorists Act? My husband’s from Mexico, right. So my kids are half Mexican. So I can talk about that without it being. I should be able to talk about it because it’s real.

Right. But the majority of the people, they’re right. The majority of the people are just great. Like the Somalians. They’re very respectful, they’re hardworking, they’re entrepreneurial. Most of them are just good people wanting a family. But that doesn’t mean you don’t look under the hood and say, okay, where are these elements that are putting our whole community at risk? Risk? Well, and it’s, it’s similar to, to the situation regarding illegal immigration, because I agree with you. And whenever anybody makes the argument, I’m not saying that you did. I’m just going to set up my scenario. I’ve done this on the air a bunch.

So whenever anybody says, makes a comment like the majority of individuals coming in from Mexico are just doing so to better their lives, my counter to that is, is, well, not the majority. All of them are. Almost everybody that’s coming in to from our southern border is doing it to better their lives. The question is, how are they going to be bettering their lives? Are they doing it to come take advantage of everything that America has to offer, even though they may have come here illegally? Are they here just to simply work hard and send money back to their family, or just to live here and support their family? Or are they doing it through drug trafficking? Are they doing it through human trafficking? So that’s the argument that I always use relating to border enforcement.

When people want to say, you know, when they want to talk about how, you know, we’re really being insensitive to the individuals that just want to better their lives. Is that. Yeah, but you’re missing the point. The point is, is that you cannot discount the individuals that are coming here also to better their lives through crime. And so I see something very similar taking place within what’s happening right now within the first abroad and the Somali community here. Now, it’s obviously a much different scenario because we’re not talking about the ability of people just to come across a southern or northern border.

You’re talking about somebody who actually has to physically travel here, you know, hopefully come through customs and that. So how do you deal with that same issue? And that’s really what we’re faced with. A group of individuals that have immigrated to the country, all of whom want to go and better their lives. However, there is a portion of that community that is doing so through this really egregious, organized level of crime that’s resulted in more than likely billions of dollars in fraud going up in smoke here in Minnesota. And I guess that ends up being the, the question, the whole reason why we’re even talking today in the first place.

Well, they have what, over 100, 107, 110,000 Somalians in our area and in the Minnesota area and about 300 to 500. They don’t, I don’t know the exact numbers in the country at large. So this is a hotel spot of that group. But you brought up something about the black down so people can see it in the failed state in 1991. They get propaganda too. They other countries are propagandized, have different perspectives too. There are groups that just want, that wanted to get out of a war torn country because we had huge efforts to bring in paid federal programs, local programs, paying churches and organizations to bring in Somalians to get out of this war torn country.

Right. It was a bleeding heart kind of situation. We need to help people who are suffering in these war torn countries. Now they have propaganda too. And when their country was taken down in 1991, part of the local rhetoric and world international rhetoric in their communities and is the US is evil and they’re the reasons that our country has been destroyed and is in the mess it’s in. That is true statement. They are getting propaganda like that. Whether it’s true or not. I don’t know how what. There’s nuance there as well. But that is spurring, spurring a lot of the behavior that we’re seeing.

And we can’t ignore that. Right. I mean these are the kinds of things we can’t ignore. And we have to look under the hood and say, wait a minute here, guys. We’re bringing in a community of people that have been trained to think that we destroyed their country. Right. What does that mean? Well, and when you, when you think about. I want to see, because I haven’t seen it yet. I want to see the data of the increase in the influx of those coming into Minnesota, the, the Somali community. Because you’re right. I mean we have the largest concentration here in, in the US as far as I know.

And when you look at all the economic data points that just came out a couple of weeks ago, the only one where Minnesota was in the plus category was in terms of population growth, that wasn’t population growth of individuals coming in from neighboring states. We actually had a record number of people leaving the state. The only reason we had that population growth growth was because of immigration. Now, not just from Somalia, but other places as well, but predominantly from, from Somalia. So the question that I have is okay, when did we see that Uptick when you start and go back and look at feeding our future and the fraud that was taking place and nobody’s being held accountable, like how much did that contribute? Did it, let me put it this way, did that contribute to an influx of individuals coming in here to Minnesota because of what was taking place, of individuals not being held accounted accountable for the fraud that was, that was being perpetuated? So I’m, I’m curious to see that data point to see if there’s any correlation whatsoever between the, the growth in the immigrant community here in Minnesota and if that parallels at all the growth and the fraud that we ended up, that we end up seeing.

And again, it’s just another sort of point on this whole issue that I think could be beneficial moving forward as we go to try to tackle this, this problem. Well. And we have to get to the point where we can actually communicate these things because if we are only talking in emotional triggering political rhetoric, then we’re turning our brains off. We’re not even doing things that can protect our families, our communities and our country going forward. We have to have these hard conversations. We have to actually have the hard work to investigate these things. And we have.

And, but then we also have to have these nuanced conversations so that we can keep the kinds of behavior that might be tyrannical from. I don’t, I’m a, I’m more libertarian leaning, so I don’t want the tyranny either. Sure. But I sure the heck want people to be smart and have the conversations and work to get to the bottom of these problems. But without these conversations, without us turning our brains off because we’re so triggered by all these propaganda outlets. Well, and what I’m worried about right now in this moment is not in this moment, but in the moment of what we’re talking about.

What I’m worried about in this moment is how bad is the situation and can it be remedied? Because everything that you’re talking about, whether we’re talking about the fraud, whether we’re talking about what’s happening within the community and the children, which I, you know, also, you know, it’s, it’s, I’m as, just as concerned about that as you are. You know, I’ve talked about that a ton on my show. It’s what we’re doing to, to our most vulnerable in this country. It’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s criminal. It’s absolutely criminal. Yes. All of this could have been taken care of, in my opinion, if Immediately when we saw.

Relating to fraud, when we saw the explosive growth in these programs, if they had. See, now we’re stopping all of them. Now you’re seeing all you’re seeing, like there was the most recent one. Oh, the DHS payments going for disability waivers. They’ve cut those off starting January, January 1st. Governor Tim Walls cut off program 14 different funding to 14 different programs because they think they’re fraudulent. This is only happening now because of the exposure that we’re seeing. If that had happened at the start, if that had happened year over year, when it went from 2, you know, $2.6 million and then jumped up, up 10, 20 million in one year after being consistent the year before, all of this, in my opinion, could have been brought to a head, but it was allowed to fester to the point where those programs get upwards of 100, 200, $400 million before anybody ends up batting an eye.

And DHS was, I mean, you mentioned it, those DHS employees. I had DHS employees coming to me throughout this year anonymously. And typically I won’t go on the air and talk about it. If I don’t have a conf, you know, a confirmed source. I don’t want to, I don’t want to bring it up right. Just my own standards. But once that DHS account that was legitimized, you know, on the end, I know people that have talked to those individuals that run that account that basically were whistle, whistleblowing on the walls administration. I had people that have been coming to me throughout this entire year, whenever I brought up fraud, prior to everything that erupted over the course of the past few weeks.

And they said, john, we’ve been identifying this. We brought it to the attention of our employees and they just simply ignored us. They said, we’re aware of it. It’s too big to deal with. Don’t worry, we’re on top of it. So we’ve been doing this for years. And that’s what concerns me now, is that how, how bad has it gotten? What are the, what are the unintended consequences of this fraud? Festering and being allowed for as long as it is, even though we’re prosecuting people now and dealing with it when this could have been stopped years ago.

And the same thing rings true when it comes to, you know, our vulnerable children and what they’re doing within the community and allowing them to mutilate their bodies. I mean, that never should have been allowed for anybody under the age of 18. And yet here we are. And what kind of Damage is going to be done for generations of those children as well. Well, and that’s what, that’s the part of all of this that just breaks my heart is that it didn’t need to happen. If somebody just stopped it to begin with, we wouldn’t even be here.

That’s right. And that’s why we think that a politician or people running these organizations have integrity and are going to do it on their own. Why aren’t you, when you’re getting flagged, why aren’t you doing what’s right? Why does it take us in the media, which are censored, by the way, which is. That’s why censorship is really, really needs to stop. But why does it take the media to have to make a big deal out of it and do lawfare and, and, and embarrass you and smear you across the board before you do what’s right? I mean, what the heck is that? Well, and what was the thinking? So you have individuals within the walls of administration that are made aware of what’s going on.

They ignore it. They ignore it. And so the, the, the conventional line of thinking is that, well, they’re worried about calling it out because they’re worried about upsetting their base or they’re worried about being called racist themselves. Okay, well, that’s not an excuse. You and I, then. That’s not an excuse. But was what, what was the expectation that this was just going to continue, that it wasn’t going to hit a breaking point? Like it, like, like it was unsustainable? So were you just, like, looking at a ticking clock and just waiting for the bomb to go off? And maybe they were.

Maybe they assumed that when the bomb went off, they’d have enough shielding from local media that they wouldn’t get this national scrutiny that we’re receiving right now. And even if they did, like we’re seeing, it would be more of a, you know, that stance of Republicans pounce. Oh, it’s just individuals on the right that are making a big deal about this, you know, because that’s kind of what we’re doing, what we’re seeing. And that’s the part of it that just has me scratching my head. It’s like, what did you think was going to happen if you guys were aware of all of this? You know, at what point were you going to say something or did you just not matter? Because there are those that, there were those that believe that it’s baked into the system, and I haven’t seen evidence of that, but there are a lot of people out there that believe that these programs were created intentionally to be fraudulent.

And I kind of sit back and go, well, you know what, if that’s the case, then we’re farther lost than I can imagine. But I haven’t seen evidence, you know, evidence of that. But I understand why people think that. Well, and money laundering is, is pretty lucrative, right? I mean, it’s a way to make money. And if nobody’s looking at it and they can establish these gravy trains, don’t you think criminals are going to do that? I mean, that, yeah. And so maybe it is on purpose because they say, hey, nobody’s paying attention. Let’s establish this because we can funnel out millions without anybody even looking or batting an eye.

Well, and even when you have individuals that get held accountable like we had, there was a couple that was charged with fraud, a jury convicted them of fraud, and then we get this random judge that just goes and overturns the jury conviction and still hasn’t provided any sort of real good, tangible reason as to why they, they did that. I mean, you want to talk about frustration within the community of people going, wait a second now we even expose somebody who’s fraudulent, we’ve put them through a trial, a jury convicts him and it just takes a random rogue judge to go and come and, you know, reverse it.

I mean, what is, what, what is happening? You know, and so there’s a lot of frustration within the community because of that too, I should say, within, you know, the listeners of my show. Well, but that’s why we got to stop all this, these, these, what do you call, factions and this warring tribes that we have going on. So we just solve some of these problems. What do you think is going to be the deal with walls? I think that a lot. He probably has aspirations for being president. Do you think he’s going to, and do you think this is even going to harm him? No, I think he’s done.

I’m, I, I, there were so many of us that really thought last year when he was tapped to be vp, like it was that double edged sword for me and my perspective because I’m like, like, oh my gosh, this is the greatest thing for my show ever. I can’t even believe right then the other part was, oh my gosh, he’s a stone’s throw away from the White House. Right. It’s that dueling great for commentary, horrible for the country if he gets, if, if they get elected. But we all expected this fraud to come out last year.

And it just, it didn’t, it never, it never manifested. We were like, oh my gosh. So, you know, if you had talked to me two months ago, I would have said, no, he’s going to be the nominee and he’s vulnerable. I mean, no, you know, as everybody knows, no governor has won a, a third term after we changed to four year terms. And, you know, he’s a little bit more damaged because of the exposure that he received prior to all this. But now that this fraud has become a national story, from what I’m seeing, from what I’m reading, because I tried to go to those other alternative sources as well, because I want to know what the other side is thinking too.

No, the, the Democrat Party is frustrated and I think that there’s Democrats in D.C. that do not want him anywhere near 28. And I think there are Democrats here in Minnesota that are gravely concerned that he is going to get beat next year. Now the question is, you know, who are they going to get to replace him if they, if they were going to. Right. That’s the question. And right now, anybody with any sort of name ID that’s prominent enough to run for that seat has kind of already gone and announced what they’re going to be running for anyways, whether it’s Keith Ellison or Peggy Flanagan.

You know, maybe you could see an Amy Klobuchar, you know, do a pivot if, if he were to become that damage. But to answer your question, I think it’s better than 50, 50 that he is not the nominee next year. He’s not handling the scrutiny well. Every public appearance that he’s done, every interview that he’s done since this is broken has been a disaster. And that’s not even just from a conservative talk show standpoint. I mean, that’s pretty much across the board. He’s, he’s not dealing with it well and media here isn’t letting him, isn’t giving him a free pass anymore.

I’ve never seen our local media press corps grill Walls the way they did most recently and asking him the point of questions or to actually put up videos showing that he’s straight up lying on issues. I mean, Lou Ragus had a video earlier this week taking quotes from both the St. Paul current Mayor Melvin Carter and Governor Tim Walls and basically did a, you know, three min video saying how both of their statements were completely inaccurate, just straight up lies. So I think he’s incredibly, incredibly damaged right now. And it’s going to be very interesting heading in the next year to See what his campaign looks like and whether or not the Democrats try to replace him.

Okay, one last question before we go. How big do you think this Somalian story really is to exposing how these networks work and what, why they’re, you know, how important it is, is it for our country and exposing these networks? I think it’s, I think it’s huge. I think it’s huge. I, I, from, from, from what I’ve been told and following the story and what I know what we’re seeing now in terms of the fraud here is really just the tip of the iceberg. When people talk about six to eight billion dollars, I think at the end of the day that’s what we’re going to end up seeing.

On the national level, it’s, there is a systemic problem. I was talking about this this morning with Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. Really, when you go back to the start of the Trump administration, when you look at what was taking place within usaid, when you look at the battle over the Obamacare subsidies, when you look at the USDA and the SNAP benefits, you know what the Republicans, and they’re not all perfect, don’t misunderstand. They’re not all perfect. I’m not saying that. But what they’ve been largely attempted attempting to do is to get rid of the fraud, waste and abuse that’s been taking place in those programs and look at the amount of opposition that they faced in, in doing so.

And the same thing rings true for the Obamacare subsidies. So you have a broader systemic problem of fraud in this country in a number of different venues and avenues. And so it’s almost like we’ve all stepped out. You know, I’m a fan of sci fi movies in the Matrix. It’s like, I think right now we’re all outside the Matrix. We’re really beginning to see the world and the way this stuff has been working. What a lot of us have already known but never really had the proper information, now everybody is seeing it. And as we started our conversation, that’s why it’s been surreal to see the fraud story take off and to see the reaction from people outside Minnesota because you can’t take the stance of, yeah, where you been? Because people didn’t know.

But from our perspective here in Minnesota, we’re like sitting back going, well, glad everybody’s waking up. And it’s really interesting to watch how shocked you all are. We’ve been shocked now for years. No, this is heading into next year. I think this is it. And this is going to be A major, major national story, not just for Minnesota, but for the country as a whole. Well, I would like to see a bipartisan support for cleaning up the fraud, because that’s what we need. And I refuse to believe that these level, this level of fraud and these networks is one party against the other.

And if we really want to make a difference in our country, we have to clean up these fraud networks. Well, that’s what concerns me, though. How do we get there? Because right now I’m of the opinion that, that you just, you can’t have, you can’t argue with, with Democrats currently. I want that, too. I mean, we’re going to have to, we’re always going to. We have to get there. Yeah, we are. We have to get there. We’re always going to be, we’re always going to be a center, right, center left country going one way or the other, depending on the election cycle.

There’s no changing that. But right now, there is such this stance of anti Trump all the time. I mean, does it, does it mean we have to wait until the Trump administration’s over and everybody calms down? Is the, the next, you know, GOP leader going to be met with the same level of angst and animosity, or is this just exclusive to, to Trump? I think right now, with Trump in office, I don’t, I don’t know how we get there. I’m with you. It’s something that I pray about every single day, but I don’t know how we get there right now with the current state of, state of politics.

I agree. It has to stop. And the adults in the room need to step forward and say, okay, what’s, what is this worth? Are we really willing to throw away the future of our country because we can’t get beyond these tribal groups and this stupidity? Or do we really want to make a difference in this country? Well, look at what, look how Jasmine Crockett launched her campaign for Senate yesterday. It was just a video of her and nothing but Trump saying that she was a low IQ voter. I mean, that’s what you’re starting your platform off on.

I mean, it’s Jasmine Crockett. So, I mean, you, you have these personalities within the, within, you know, the, the elected officials, and she’s one of those. But still, it’s kind of like, is this the world we live in right now? Is this, is this going to be how the approach is? Just like, I’m the anti Trump, we’re not going to even gonna approach any issues, you know, right now I just, I mean, come on. All right. That’s the shutting your brain off stuff, right? Yeah. Come on, guys. Okay. Where do people follow you? You are someone to need to.

That people need to listen to to really know some of these details that are going on. Yeah. So I’m live Monday through Friday, 6 until 9am Central Time. I Heart Radio app KTLK, Minneapolis. You can just search my name, John. It’s J O N Justice. You can follow me on X at John Justice. J O N. I’m on, I’m on the, the Chinese spyware app. I’m doing videos every day on Tick Tock, which again, it’s a great source for a lot of people. There’s a lot of new conservative voices that are out there. So on that platform, you got to add the, the, so the John justice on there.

But yeah, you can check out the podcast at any time that’s available on the iHeartRadio app, too. And it was such a, such a privilege to be on with you today. Thank you so much for inviting.
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