What Does it Mean to be Human? Are we Aimlessly Risking it All? w/ James Corbett

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Sam Sa it’s not about what conclusion you come to necessarily. It’s not even about what you are thinking. It’s about how you are thinking. And what worries me is what you’re gesturing to there with the engineers and doctors and other people who are getting all of this from ChatGPT. The point isn’t to have the correct answer. The point is to be able to work out an answer. Because presumably the whole point of this is to train you in, to be in that situation where you don’t know the answer. You don’t have the answer. You have to problem solve and find the answer.

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I used to just do, just do audio. So those of you that remember and have followed me for this long or who are listening to me on audio anyways, probably just don’t care. But I want to tell you I have James Corbett coming to the program. I am pre excited that he came on. I’ve been wanting to interview him for years. So this is really great. We’re going to be talking about all sorts of global issues and AI and futurist, you know, where are we going? We had a pretty good discussion and I think you’re going to appreciate this one and what it means to be human.

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Thank you for having me on Sarah. It’s a pleasure to be Here. The first time I’ve had you on Woohoo. I. Yeah, well you have done a lot of work. You started. What year did you start doing this? I started 2007 and I always want to say 17 years, but I guess it’s 18 years now. So I started June 2007. 18 years? Yeah. Gosh, no, yeah, it has been. No, it’s been. I’m like wait a minute, that’s why. Can we do the math on this? Yeah. Yes, it’s 25 minus 7. So now this is what I really want to ask you is things have changed so much, you know, from when I started doing this back in like 2015, 2014, 2013, I think I started to today I’ve seen such a fundamental shift.

What would you say, you know, the changes are and what have you experienced? The changes are many and varied. In fact, sometimes I think about what if I was James Corbett in 2025 just coming up as opposed to James Corbett in 2007. Could I even do what I have done over the past 18 years? And I would struggle to think how I would do it. The reason why I am here talking to you today is because back in 2007 it was an incredibly exciting and chaotic time. The Internet was still had something of that wild west nature that people might remember from, you know, the real wild west days back in the 90s or whenever when everyone had their own little personalized website that did, you know, the spinning, flashing, whatever, Google Ads and everyone had their own little website on their own niche little topic.

And it was more of a community based sort of atmosphere before it became corporatized. Well, I think there was still something of that left in the Internet in 2007. And so I am the product of that time frame Frame and the YouTubes and Google videos and all the things that existed in 2007 as they existed in 2007. I was just lucky enough really to come along at the right time to be able to take advantage of all of that and to build up an audience. But now, I mean this, the landscape has changed so drastically and I would say not for the better, but maybe I’m an old fuddy duddy, but I just look at the types of platforms that are available for talking and spreading information today and the tiktoks of the world and.

And those kinds of platforms. It’s impossible to get a coherent thought across in under two minutes while doing an interpretive dance or whatever the kids are used to these days. So I don’t know how I would do What I do, if I was just coming up today, and that’s just in the information delivery side of things, let alone the information itself. Yeah, I doubt even I started like 2013, 2012. I think it was more that time frame and it was much different. And I always thought it was still nerdy. I always tell people like, I liked it better when it was nerdy because it was more real.

I felt. Yeah. And I still have vivid memories of that time frame when I was just starting to get plugged in, as it were, into the independent media and 2006, 2007. And I could feel, palpably feel the sense of the sort of revolution that was taking place. And you’d have people, you know, posting up these, you know, end the Federal Reserve videos and Luke Radkowski going out and confronting Zbigniew Brzezinski at a meeting in New York and then running away and getting on the New York subway and showing his end to fed shirt and things like this.

And I just remember having the palpable sense this is the revolution. And I’m kind of, I get it, I understand it, I feel it, I’m part of this these days. It’s fractured into a million different things. And yeah, it’s less nerdy and also. Yeah, less, less focused, shall we say. Yeah. Well, do you think that it is more focus for certain corporate players and platforms? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that’s a good way of putting it. Yeah. That they’ve taken, they figured out how to take over, push aside more the independence and take over the platforms. Yeah.

And, and to me that’s really the, the biggest danger of the, the moment that we’re living through right now because I have studied the history of mass media. I did a six hour lecture course online course on the history of mass media. I did a, an hour and a half documentary about the history of mass media. I’ve really looked at and thought about this and the development, for example, of the printing press back in the 15th century. Truly one of the turning points of human civ. It is difficult to under. To overestimate just how drastically that changed human civilization forever.

For better or worse, whatever you want to think of it, it changed the course of human civilization. And to me what is instructive is to look at the way that of course, the printing press itself challenged the power structures that existed at the time, from the Vatican to the various royalties, etc. All essentially became endangered because of this incredible flowering of information that took place and people talking to each through the printing press in Ways that they could not, they could not get their ideas disseminated like that, as drastically, as radically as. In fact, I like to tell the story of the one of the investors in Gutenberg’s printing press who took a number of Bibles that of course, Gutenberg, his first project really was trying to print Bibles en masse in order to sell them, in order to fund his efforts.

And so this investor took some of those Bibles and started selling them in Paris and ultimately got arrested for witchcraft because the people in Paris were looking at these, this guy that came out of nowhere and suddenly has all of these various copies of the Bible and they’re all exactly identical, like you know, as individual scribes will write things individually differently. But all of these are exactly identical. What kind of witchcraft is this man involved with? And so obviously this was a threat to the power structures that existed at the time. It was a threat to people’s fundamental view of, of the universe and how it worked.

People communicated with each other. And as a result, of course, every king, every pope, every tyrant of every sort wanted to crack down on this invention and wanted to. For example, in England they passed the licensing act. You know, you must have a license in order to run a printing press because we can’t let the riff raff, the general hoi polloi get their hands on this technology. And that’s the kind of censorship that of course it can be effective for a time, but eventually people will resist, people will stand up and say no to that type of tyranny, that type of boot on the face.

The more effective form of censorship of information was what developed in the 19th and 20th century, which was the consolidation of the printing industry into a handful of corporations that essentially controlled everything. Just by virtue of the fact these were incredibly capital intensive technologies. No one person could own a printing press and let alone the distribution network to get their newspaper out all across the city or what have you. No, it became corporatized and as a result you had a handful of editors who worked for a handful of corporations that were controlling what everyone was hearing and seeing and reading on a daily basis there in the 20th century.

Fast forward to the 21st century. We have Gutenberg 2.0, we have this incredible explosion of information and communication. And so yes, of course we’re going to see the crackdown type of censorship. You must, they’ll take my YouTube channel down, etc. All that kind of heavy handed censorship. But actually the more insidious kind of censorship is the corporatization of the Internet. Just condense it all down to a few corporate entities, the big tech, whatever, Google, Meta, you know, the handful of entities that everyone will go to, everyone will go to these sites and they’ll all congregate there and that it’ll be essentially like the old media paradigm, but here in the new Internet.

And to me, that’s the more. That’s the scarier type of. It’s not even censorship per se, it’s just more control of the information bottlenecks, as it were. Yeah, well, I did a segment when I taught at the university and I did a segment on this for my class. And one of the things that I learned before I, you know, put the information together is that I researched the financial development of the countries that crack down the most on the Gutenberg Press. And the ones that completely cut it off, you know, like a lot of them in the Middle east.

And the, the more religious ones, they still are financially behind today. So the more you cut it off, the more financially you cut yourself off, because you don’t have the thriving inventions and you don’t have. The people thrive when they can interact. It makes sense. Every part of it makes sense. Of course the people benefit when they can communicate with each other freely. And of course that is a bad thing for people who want to control other people and crack down on their ability to interact freely. So the, it’s, it’s no, it’s no surprise to me that people in positions of power today would be threatened by people like you and me being able to talk to each other like this and to reach however many people around the world that are going to be listening to this conversation, that truly is a threat to power.

So I understand why they’re freaked out about it. I understand why they’re cracking down on it. And I’d like to think that kind of like Gutenberg was that kind of uncorking of the bottle. And you’re never going to get the. To mix metaphors. You’re never going to get the toothpaste back in the tube. I’d like to think we are at that stage now with the Gutenberg 2.0, but I guess it remains to be seen. And to me, again, the most disappointing part to me is that so many people are of their own volition, nobody’s pointing a gun at their head and making them go to Meta, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube and congregate there.

But they’re going to. And whether or not they understand it, they are playing into a system that is ultimately shutting down that Free expression that the Internet is capable of. Yeah, and I think you’re right with the tick tock, the two minute. You get two minutes. Right. And that’s all you get. And that’s what the kids. So how is it changing? I think the profound effects that we haven’t really seen yet is how it’s changing the minds of these kids. The two minutes. And we can get into the AI like chat GPT, which is even probably a more profound effect on their mental development.

Yeah, yeah, no, you’re exactly right about that. And there are of course researchers that are working on this question right now. Jonathan Haidt and others are writing books about this and doing research on this, this topic. And it certainly looks like a, an epidemic of sorts of mental illness slash developmental challenges etc that are facing young people today that may be difficult for those of us who are blessed to have at least lived part of our childhoods in an Internet free, you know, on offline world. We, we may be the last generation that has ever done that or ever will.

And now we’ve got these kids that are just glued to a screen from the time they’re born. And what is that doing to their brains? What is that doing to their. And I used to think of this in terms of, for example, in the types of research that I do. Sometimes I’ll come across a forum, an old Internet forum that nobody’s even looked at for 15, 20 years. But I’ll see the types of conversations that people were having online 20 years ago. And it was almost like a real conversation between real adults who can actually talk and go back and forth and see each other’s points and make counterpoints, et cetera.

But of course these days it’s now just memes and flame wars and people just trying to score points by saying the most outrageous thing, etc. And from my perspective I see that and I see, oh, that’s, that’s terrible. Because now kids are going to look at that and they’re going to think that, oh, you know, memes and flame wars and whatever is, they’re going to be socialized into that. They’re going to be thinking that is real discourse in the real world and then they’re going to be taking that into the real world. But now I realize, well, for them maybe that is the real world because that is what they are interacting with most of the time is with the screen.

And then of course, when they’re talking to their friends who are interacting with the screen so much, those are the types of conversations they’re seeing too. So they start to enact it in the real world. It becomes the real world. And that to me is the most horrifying part of all of this. It’s, I want to say, no, no, humans interact this way. They don’t interact like they do when they’re in front of a screen like that. Well, there’s been studies showing that the brainwave developments are stunted. Like when you have a kid that’s on the computer or on this non stop, their brain waves don’t develop the same way.

And if you cut them off, you put them back into nature and they start developing again. I don’t know what age it is that they don’t. They’re done developing those brain patterns. So yeah, a number of big tech broligarchs have come out and admit that they do not let their children anywhere near a screen. They do not give their kids a phone or a tablet, you know, before they’re teenagers at least. Meanwhile, most parents these days probably are doing that. And maybe we should stop and think about why. Why the people who actually engineer and design this stuff might be more afraid of it than we are.

Shouldn’t that give us a little bit pause for thought? But you’re exactly right about that, and that’s, that in and of itself isn’t even new. For example, in that Media Matrix documentary I was talking about, I have the receipts on the research that was being done in the 1960s and I have the, the researcher and the, the name of the experiment and all of this in the show notes for that documentary, but where they were literally hooking electrodes up to people’s brains and then monitoring them as they watched tv. And they found within seconds that these people’s brainwave patterns would change to a brain state that was similar to sort of that, that sort of dream state where you’re, you’re not asleep, you’re not unconscious, but you’re not conscious, you’re kind of just coming out of sl, something like that.

It was that that form of brainwave would be induced within seconds because, presumably because of the flicker rates of the TV screens. And of course that’s used by advertisers at the very least to slip their advertisements into the sort of subliminal parts of your brain. But of course it can also be used to slip various narratives in, et cetera, et cetera. And that was the TV technology of, you know, 50, 60, 70 years ago, let alone whatever the screens are doing to people’s brains these days. Well, the tv they’ve shown that. I think this is why people, when they, after they get off work, they want to just watch TV for a little bit, because you just completely relax, but you burn less calories watching TV than just sitting there.

I believe it. I. I don’t. You know, something that I have done ever since I was a kid, I’ve always found this interesting, is when you’re in the middle of a TV show or something and you’re in a room full of people watching the TV just break away and watch the other people’s faces and watch their eyes flitting around the screen and look at their expressions. It truly is. They really are zombies in that moment. And, you know, I’m. I’m not immune to this myself. When I’m engrossed in a television show or movie or something, I’m sure I look exactly the same.

But it is good to at least have that moment of conscious realization, oh, yeah, this is turning us into zombies. Maybe we should at least limit the amount of time we’re subjecting ourselves to this. Maybe we should literally just sit there. Remember when humans used to sit around and stare at us at a campfire and tell stories and things? I mean, maybe that something of that should, at the very least, that should stir something in our human spirit, because that is obviously what we’re trying to replicate with this flickering screen in a dark room, watching these stories unfold on the magic black mirror.

Right? But maybe we should go back to the campfire form of communication at least once in a while to detach ourselves from this electronic simulacrum of storytelling. And especially for kids, I mean, we spend so much money and time sending them to school and doing all these things. And if it’s so important for their brain and development so that they can get ahead in the world, don’t you think that we care about making sure that their brain waves develop and. And actually doing some studies and saying, hey, this is something we don’t want kids to be part of because their brains are going to not be at full capacity.

It’s almost like national. It’s almost a competitive advantage for a country. You would think so. And in fact, maybe that is why countries like China, for example, are now cracking down on the amount of time that children can be on their phones or whatever. Do we want a tyrannical government telling us what we can and cannot do in our own homes? No. But at the very least, maybe they have an idea of why it might be a good idea to limit children’s access to this technology. But actually, it’s interesting because as a, as a father of two young children myself, I sometimes have to fight my urge as a parent to, when my kids come to me, oh, I’m bored, there’s nothing to do.

I want to solve that problem and, you know, give them something to do. But no, actually letting children stew in boredom for a little while is actually a good thing. It’s part of the human experience and it will motivate them to find things to do rather than simply to distract them with, with more nonsense that. That’s going to rot their brain. They get really creative at doing things. I remember all the different things that we did. So let’s talk about ChatGPT and the AIs and how that’s developing kids. You know, I was talking this past weekend to my daughter who has some friends that are in college.

She just graduated about a year ago, and they were bragging about how they’re getting all A’s because they’re using ChatGPT. And I was like, well, then they’re going to be completely lost if that’s how. And a lot of the degrees now, the computer science degrees kind of have it figured out because they know, I mean, they’re the ones developing it. They know how to keep kids, they know how to keep that out of the classroom. But a lot, at least the better schools, but a lot of these other degrees have no idea yet. There’s like a period of time here and they’re doing online tests, they’re doing all their homework.

So the kids can take the entire course using CHAT GPT and get. Yeah, what on earth are we sleepwalking into here? It cannot be good. It cannot be good. I think, I think we can all sense that this is not a good thing. But to articulate why it isn’t a good thing can be more difficult because, well, what’s the difference? There is a difference between knowing something and simply looking up information and regurgitating that information. And it goes back, actually. I mean, for example, I’m put in mind of something that happened to me a couple of decades ago, back when I was still a schoolteacher here in Japan and I was teaching.

And I remember talking to some of the other teachers and for whatever reason I think it was the population of Canada came up and we were all Canadian. So we were talking about that and one of the teachers admitted, I have no idea how many people. Is it 5 million? Is it 50 million? Is it 100 million? I don’t know. And I was blown away by the Fact that this Canadian couldn’t even guess how many Canadians there were. And it was difficult to articulate why that was a problem because as you said, well, if I ever need to know it, I’ll just look it up.

Well, okay, yes, that’s true. Of course it’s good to be able to look up and find information, but to not know certain things will change your ability to understand what is happening in the world, to interact with the world, to formulate plans for the future and what you’re going to do in the world. And it doesn’t obviously have to do with the population of this or that country, but, but things like that, things that if you do not know these facts and be able to understand and process them and put them into a worldview that somehow makes sense of the world for you, then you start to become this passive receptacle that is reliant on this information that you, yeah, you have access to.

It’s, it’s the old thing that of course we heard growing up is, you know, you can’t use your calculators for this test. Well, why not? You know, in the real world, I’ll have a calculator. I’m never going to have to do longhand division. Right. Why not use a calculator? Well, it’s because you have to know what this is doing. You have to understand the concept of division and how it is done. And yes, then you can use the shortcut later on. Right. But if we, if we are programming children essentially to expect that this crutch is just always going to be there and going to be telling them what to do? Well, at the very, very least.

Well, shouldn’t we then be concerned about, okay, well, who is in charge of these information oracles that will be telling us all of this information and what will it tell us? Tell me, ChatGPT, what happened on 9 11, 2001? And do you think it’s going to give you a full picture and nuanced and lots of information, or is it going to tell you what they, them, those, the historians, the people who write the history books want you to know about that particular day? It’s a nightmare that we are stumbling into and I think not a lot of people appreciate just how scary this is.

Well, we’re going to have whole generations of college students who are taking degree. You know, this was a couple of engineering students that were learning nothing. So you’re going to have, you know, doctors and engineers and lawyers and all these people that have, don’t have the understanding of the brain development to understand the whole industry they’re in. And what does that mean? That means it truly will have this oracle telling people what to do. Because you won’t have. You’ll have. Or there’ll just be such a small percentage of people that can independently think. It’s kind of like the, you know, politics really bothers me.

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And that skill is a skill that you develop by not simply asking ChatGPT how to do something. That is a skill that you develop by being in situations where you have to work out and answer. So that is the process that once we start shortcutting that, I mean yes, it’s fine to have a repository of information where you can look things up, up, but the point is to be able to understand how to put information together and contextualize it and use it in this or that situation. And if we start losing that, we start losing our humanity itself.

Well, and if you can develop that skill, the independent thinking and then you have a tool set now, it’s magic, right? Yeah. But not having independent thinking, you’re now you are the zombies that they can control through now it’s not just television controlling now. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a computer system that they can program and change depending on your reactions and where they want you to go. Yeah, no, that is the scariest part of it. And for people who don’t understand that, I, I, I think the best way to get a grasp on that is this incredibly creepy, but maybe unintentionally creepy video from several years ago where it, that leaked out several years ago from Google called the selfish ledger.

And this video shows in whatever it was, seven or eight minutes the internal Google engineers idea of where these types of systems can develop and where they will go. And they make the point that essentially when you think about it, of course we have our genetic ledger, as it were. That was what makes us humans and it’s what propagates from generation to generation. But really what we are doing is we’re passing information down from generation to generation. That information shapes our decisions, it shapes what we do in life, it shapes the types of people we become.

And when we aggregate that from individuals to a society, suddenly you have civilizations and you have, the course of the human species essentially is dictated by this information. So if you are tailoring this information and you are deciding what information gets put in front of this person today and what information gets put in front of that person. Today you can start to shape not just individual lives, although obviously that, and not just this or that society or this or that civilization, but literally the course of the human species. And in that video, they get into some of the creepy ideas for doing that.

That is even beyond what I think most people are thinking right now. People may have seen some of these programs essentially like the, the carrot version of the stick that is social credit that we’ve heard about in China and other places where you have a certain number of, you know, citizen points that you, you win by doing good things in the eyes of the government or you lose by doing bad things that the government doesn’t want you to do. Well, there’s the, the carrot side of that. Well, if you, if you, you know, run to work instead of taking a car, well, you get 10 points.

And then, you know, you can accrue these points and you can spend them, you know, at the store or whatever. That type of idea I’m sure we’ve all seen variations of, but the, the Google engineers were going way beyond that. They were thinking, well, okay, if we can shape, algorithmically determine everything about you, because we’re monitoring everything you’re doing and interacting with and what you like and what you dislike. We know you better than you know yourself probably well, and we want you to, for example, we want you to take up running as a sport because it’ll be good for you.

So what we can do is we can use. Since we’re controlling everything you’re seeing and all of the advertisements you’re seeing and everything else, we can of course, start putting more, you know, running shoe ads in front of you or that sort of thing, or things that you would be interested in. But we can also design that shoe specifically for you because you like this type of color, you like this brand, you like this idea. We can make it so you will be more likely, 7% more likely or whatever it is to buy this particular running shoe in order to meet this goal that the selfish ledger, as they call it, has chosen for you in your life.

And once you start to see this incredible absolute control of everything that you are doing and seeing and interacting with that is now possible because we are spending almost all of our time in the screen. Man, that is horrifying to me. Well, they are starting to do that anyways when it comes to advertising and they’re focusing the ads and everything around what they think you will like based on your profile. They’re starting to do a lot of this. So now talking about China not letting their kids so that they, their kids minds are developing, their brains are actually developing better than the brains of the children here.

You know, they talk about national security and wanting to compete against China. You know, the New World Order, if you will, wants to move the base of civilization control to the east. And they’re doing a pretty good job of it now with them wanting their children to develop their mind and us not. We’re really at risk to that happening even. I mean, to giving it to them on a silver platter. Well, my, my new book, Reportage Essays on the New World Order, is about this question of the creation of a New World Order and all of the various aspects of that.

And one of them that is obvious when you think about it, if you think about it at any length, if we’re going to create a New World Order, you have to destroy the Old World Order. And the Old World Order, at least as it exists at this point still tenuously, is the order that was created post World War II. It’s the Bretton Woods UN international order based on the US dollar and US superpower hegemony and all of that. But if you’re going to create a New World Order, you have to get rid of that. And so the only way to really get from here to there is to undermine and destroy the United States and the whole system that’s, that has built up around it.

So in that regard, yes, the rise of China, for example, I’ve talked about this before. I’ve, I’ve done podcasts on the China world order, etc. China and the New World Order, I should say talking about why and how China was built up to be this economic slash military behemoth that it is today. It didn’t happen by chance. It didn’t happen by the pluck and the hard work of the Chinese people, at least not at the top levels of this. No, it was a coordinated effort that took place over decades and decades by, well, globalist traitors would be a good way of framing it within what we would think.

Oh, you know, these are Americans who are doing this like the Rockefeller family. Well, I don’t think they think of themselves as Americans. They think of themselves as part of a ruling oligarchy that is going to do anything that they feel they need to do in order to preserve and expand their power and control. And if that involves, say, displacing the seat of, of power in the world from Washington to Beijing, well, they’ll happily do that and undermine the entire system as it exists if need be. And in the creation of that new world order, I think that is part of this.

So yes, there is a genuine threat to the live life and livelihoods that we have known all our lives that is taking place right now as part of a concerted effort to undermine the lives that we have been accustomed to, to this point. For the greater good, or so I’m sure many of the people who are doing this would probably think. Maybe not for the greater good of you, Sarah, or me, James, or any of the individual people out there listening, but for the greater good of the human species. Ultimately it will be good in the long run, or so they, I’m sure think of to themselves.

If we are against that, then we’re going to have to be extremely. We’re going to have to be smarter than we’ve been in the past, I would say, in at least understanding what’s happening. Because for example, I think one thing that we are, we have definitely seen in the past couple of decades and that is going to reach a peak in the coming decades, is the Cold War 2.0 that is obviously taking place between the US and China right now. But if we don’t understand Cold War 1.0 between the US and the Soviet Union and what that was and how that played out and why it happened the way it happened, then we’ll never understand what, what our real role here is in Cold War 2.0.

And we’ll never understand how to undermine, not the Chinese, but no the ruling oligarchs, who themselves are propping up this entire system of control. Unless and until we strike at that root, we will never get to the root of the problem. Okay, well, what’s the root from the Soviet Union 1.0? Well, how would you summarize what that was? So in, in order to understand how, again, how the Soviet Union, like China, how did, in the space of a couple of decades, how did what was essentially an agrarian economy suddenly become this industrial slash military juggernaut that was at least theoretically on paper, somewhat capable of standing up to the US Juggernaut.

That’s no small feat. How did that happen? And as a number of researchers, I, for example, have cited the work of Anthony Sutton, who wrote many books around this subject, but there are many other researchers who have dug up the details on it, of the technology transfers that took place, economic transfers at first and then technology transfers that enabled the rise of the Soviet Union to that position. Everything from, of course, the Lend Lease program in World War II and the subsidization of the Soviet Union to the development of the Soviet nuke. How did they get it so quickly? Oh, of course that technology was exported to them, shall we say to basically the propping up of the Soviet Union for decade after decade with American financial and corporate interests building up, for example, the, the Gorski automotive plant and other things that were building the very tanks that were then being used against the US in places like Korea and Vietnam and other places where they would fight.

They would be essentially fighting American made, essentially military vehicles. And wouldn’t you know it, In Cold War 2.0, I’ve done work on this before as well. It turns out that the Chinese arsenal, this incredible PLA Navy and PLA army that’s building up and creating these aircraft carriers and now suddenly actually has more productive capacity than the ability to build ships faster and in greater numbers than the U.S. navy. How did that happen? Oh, as it turns out, a lot of this Chinese military technology is exactly American military specific. In fact, even Popular Mechanics, the yellow journalism Hearst Popular Mechanics press has done articles about, hey, isn’t it weird this Chinese Navy propaganda that they’re putting out about how awesome and cool their latest technology is is showing that the operators are using screens that are all in English.

It’s almost as if this was like designed in America and, and they’re using it in China. What, what is happening? Well, what is happening is that there has been a concerted effort to transfer technology to China and military and economic capacity to China over the past couple of decades to build them up exactly as the Soviets were built up to be that boogeyman that through which just as In Cold War 1.0, you see what those Ruskies are doing? We better crack down and control you harder so that we can be a stronger democracy or whatever nonsense pretzel logic they were using at the time in the exact same way.

Look at those horrible chicoms with their social credit scores. What we need to do is social credit scores and surveillance and Department of Homeland Security, et cetera, et cetera. Well, but the difference though, I think with the Soviet Union is they used it as a way to, you know, to fight and to create the military industrial complex. I think with the Chinese, they’re actually shifting everything over there as the going to be the center of the new world order and taking down the United States. So I think it’s maybe a different means or it may be.

And I think the real turning point in that will be when Cold War 2.0 becomes hot World War III. That’s when something, something major is going to happen and how that will turn out, who knows exactly. But all I know is World War I, we got the League of Nations. World War II, we got the United Nations. World War 3, fill in the dots. What are we going to get? Some form of world government. Yeah, that’s the next stage of getting that world. New world. But now if you look at the, the Chinese, I keep getting going back to what they’re doing with the children and developing their brains.

I, I think it’s such a profound thing that people don’t realize is you, you build up their whole, whole population to be able to, they work hard, they’re, they can, they can think. They, they are conformed though. So they figured out how to be a very conforming society while also being able to think and work hard. And like Clau Schwab was infinite infamously said that they, they are, that they behave the way they, they want them to behave. Their controlled mind, you know, they’re the hive mind. But the United States kids, their brains aren’t developing. They’re get.

They. When they compared, the Chinese student asked what did they want to do? What did they admire most of adults? You know, what profession? They said scientists and astronauts. Whereas in the United States they said influencers. Yeah, well, and entrepreneurs. But the entrepreneurs, because they’re the rich guys like Musk. Yeah, yeah. And so they’ve created these kids that are now, they’re very controlled. Our kids are kind of wily and all over the place, which is actually kind of a good thing, I think, but that part of it. But they’ve also, they’ve deconstructed this social thing where we don’t know what gender we are, we don’t know, you know, and we’re supposed to accept everybody for all these things and, and where brains aren’t developing and they’re not serious.

Yeah, yeah, no, I understand what you’re saying in all of its. I mean there are a lot of different aspects to that. One of which is that, yes, isn’t it good to have a bit of non conformity in the population? And that may be one of the reasons why the power focus cannot be in, in Washington or in America because for whatever America has become and the American empire and all of that, the, the idea, the founding ideas of the United States and what has been held up as those ideals to whatever extent they were ever actually lived.

But the ideals of independence and being free are of obviously anathema to the power structures and that’s why of course, they have to do all of these, this propaganda to try to convince you that everything that they do is because of freedom and what have you when they’re doing the opposite. But at the very least they’re appealing to that sentiment. That is clearly part of what the American enterprise was and what broadly a lot of Western civilization has been based on is that spirit of independence and freedom. And obviously that does not apply in places like China or elsewhere.

I live in Japan, in East Asia. There is a certain conformity and expectation of conformity to maintain social harmony or whatever, you know, and there are aspects of that which are good and create a flourishing society, but there are aspects of it which are horrific and which are obviously more amenable to being manipulated by power, top down power hungry psychopaths, essentially. That’s right. So do you think the whole notion of freedom and independence is what is on the line here? I really, I mean, it is an incredibly important part of a tradition that we should not lose.

We should not ever lose the tradition that was started by philosophical forebears, John Locke, or however far back you want to go. We can go back to the Magna Carta and the various revolutions that have taken place of various sorts to try to essentially carve out more freedom for individuals against the state and against the kings and against people who would presume to rule over us. So that has been a long and very important part of our history. And to the extent that we start to forget that or downplay that or poo poo that or even go against that because, oh boy, well, you know, anything that ever happened in Western history is all just slavery and horrible and we should just totally forget it all.

No, no, no. If we lose that, that idea that, that thread, then when, where and how will it flourish again? I suppose I am optimistic in that I think that the human spirit truly is irrepressible. As long as humans are humans, there will be that spark of that yearning for freedom that I think inheres in humanity. However, we are at the point of the technological manipulations, the genetic alterations, the psychopharmaceutical alterations, the brain chips, all of this crazy wacky technology that is now coming into view at the point at which, well, are we going to continue to be humans forever? And if not, can, can we actually be made into some more servile working class automatons the likes of which the ruling class would love for us to become? Well, supposedly that’s the sixth generation.

Warfare is to control our bodies and our minds. Do you think there will be a human only zones, you know, people. Because there’s going to be a lot of people that are going to want this chip in their brain be. Or, and for their children because now their child can compete and be, you know, whereas the child, the children who don’t have it can’t compete. Right. So there’s going to be some serious pressure for people to do these things. Of course it’s gonna. But do you think it’s gonna be almost like the Amish, you know, like, okay, they’re the Mennonites, which, the people who don’t have it will have their own little society over here and then everybody else will partake.

To be honest and not to be too gloomy about it, that is one of the, the best outcomes that I can imagine is that, well, okay, maybe there can be a society of original substrate humans who have decided not to upgrade, upgrade with all of this wonderful technology. And maybe they can be, they can have their own space and they can be left alone to have their own society. That would be a good thing, I think at the very least. However, will people who resist this technology, will they be allowed to continue and do their own thing in their own pocket and where and allowed by whom and who presumes to have that, that judgment to be able to allow people to live their lives as they’ve seen or not? All I know is that I keep going back to I, I really remember back in 2000, I want to say 2006, when I was first just going down the Internet rabbit hole and discovering all this crazy information.

I vividly remember coming across this BBC article about the future of the human species. And they were talking to, you know, scientists and you know, what will happen in the future as these genetic upgrades and things happen. And they literally illustrated this article with this, this seven foot long, you know, blond haired, whatever Aryan type God, God like man and this squat goblin like creature that was literally in the caption, squat goblin like creature which, which will be the two paths that humanity take. The people who can afford the genetic upgrades and the people who will be cast off essentially.

And it was essentially the Eloy and the Morlocks from HG Wells is the time machine. This is the future of humanity according to BBC News. That’s what I keep looking at. And I don’t want to go down that path. But I think there are people who do want us to go down that path. Well, but even from the anti aging, you know, I’m into regenerative mandatory medicine because I want to feel great as I age. I don’t want to live forever, but I want to feel good. Right. I don’t want to feel like crap when I’m 85.

And so there’s a real practical reason to do these things, but that just there is a diversion feeling and looking great versus not being able to exit, you know, do much as you age, you know, you take that to the extreme, I think there’s a, a path that we end up going down. You know, I’m probably guilty, but I don’t want to not do. There’s balance, right? I don’t want to not feel good as I age. And so. But that’s the path to get. I mean, it’s hard. The incentives will be so strong that you won’t.

Who? I mean, yeah, of course. I mean, people in the abstract might say, well, whatever, I don’t want to live forever. But at what point do you say, okay, I’m going to let. Start letting my body fall apart as it naturally will, and I’m just going to coast into my grave. When do you make that decision? When? How does that happen? How does that happen gracefully? And yeah, I’m not sitting here in judgment of people who are going to make this or that choice over their lives. Again, it’s hard to argue with like the person who’s using chat GPT to get the answer to the thing they need.

Well, it’s got the answer. Why don’t I just go and use it? Well, okay, I understand why you might in this or that circumstance or I don’t know if somebody turns to Ozempic because hey, it’s a lot easier than dieting. I just need to lose some weight. I’m going to take this thing and it makes me look better. And people like, you know how I look, so I better start taking this. It’s hard to argue in certain individual cases when people make those individual choices, but those choices do add up. And I don’t have the answer.

Again, as someone who’s devoted to the idea of human freedom and voluntary human interaction, if people want to start taking these upgrades, who am I to stop? Come in with a gun pointed to their head and say, no, you don’t. You don’t get to do that. No, of course I don’t have that right. I don’t think anyone else has that right. So people will start making these decisions again. Which is why I say perhaps the best thing that I can imagine is at the very least the people who choose not to take this or that upgrade Upgrade.

I shouldn’t even use that term, obviously. But anyway, people who choose not to take these interventions can just have their own space to live their lives free from the other people who are doing this craziness. That would be a good outcome of sorts. Well, but there’s a difference, and maybe there isn’t. Maybe this is the path to it. I mean, there’s a difference between regenerative medicine, where you’re putting back in your body with the environment is. I think the environment’s a lot of it’s taking because of what we’re bombarded with and poisons and everything else. Our body’s just not functioning right.

And so there’s getting healthy again and then there’s feeling good as you age, and then there’s putting chips and things in your body so your brain works better. This is it. And this is why I keep going back to the fact people have to draw the line in the sand before they get to it. What is the line in the sand? What is the thing that it’s like, okay, not that far, and yes, I’ll do this or that and sure, but not that far and look, none of us are floating. Hey, you want to talk about upgrading the human body? Well, I wear glasses because without them I couldn’t see very far.

Right. It’s an upgrade. It’s a technological thing. Yeah, Intervention. Right. So, yes, it’s a matter of degree, not kind. Right. And where do you draw that line? All I know is, yeah, I’m certainly not going to get the brain chip. I’m not going to go and start manipulating myself at a genetic level. I’m not going to start doing this sort of stuff. But I do things that I think will make me healthier and happier, and why wouldn’t I do that? Yeah, it’s. It’s hard to have that kind of conversation without recognizing that we’re all engaged in this in some way or another, but without that having at least that line in the sand.

No, you don’t get to enter into my brain and start manipulating my brain waves. No, thank you. That’s. Well, that’s where I say I draw the line, is I don’t want to chip in my body with somebody else can manipulate me. It all comes down to my freedom and independence. I don’t want anyone else affecting me. I want to be in control of me. And that’s the chip, you know, that’s the line. But with this new technology, and it’s not if theoretically it’s possible, even if it’s not even there yet is the ability to manipulate us without having a chip in our body and doing it from a distance.

Yeah, yeah. We won’t have the ability to make a decision. So I always tell people, you know, the engineers and the scientists and the people who are in these positions need to wake up and start developing solutions to protect our independence and freedom. Yes. And to be careful about what sorts of solutions people are even coming up with because some of the people who are handing you solutions are not really on your side. And I look, for example, Chile has become the first country on the planet to propose laws to protect your Neuro’s cognitive sovereignty or whatever that is.

No, no intervention into your brain. Okay, yeah, I, I agree with that principle. But how are you going to codify that into law? And the devil is always in the details. That’s right. Of. Okay, yes, we will say this or that you can’t do this, but of course you can do this. And we will reg. We, we will regulate the companies that do this or that thing. So don’t worry, we’ll. We’ll make sure that they’re doing it in a good way or how one can imagine a million ways that that political process can go wrong. I don’t think we need, you know, something on a piece of paper.

We don’t need something that, you know, legislatures start voting on or anything like. No, my cognitive sovereignty is not up for any other individual to ever decide or gavel down into the law or to write on a piece of paper. No, it’s mine and it’s just a God given right. I have it. You can’t take it away from me. And once we start negotiating those sorts of rights, that’s I think, where we start to lose them. Yeah, you cannot negotiate that right away because it’s, it’s just, that’s a very solid red line. Okay, you have a new book out and can you tell people what’s in your book? I think a lot of what we talked about, at least the last half is in your book.

But what, what’s in it and where can people get it? Okay. It is called Reportage Essays on the New World Order and it is available@reportagebook.com or wherever books are sold. You just need the ISBN number. It is a collection of 20 essays on a wide range of topics. I like to talk about science and history and philosophy and politics and all of these sorts of things and hopefully tie it together into some sort of coherent picture. So that’s what I tried to do with these 20 essays. And once you pick it up, you’ll see that it’s about all the sorts of things that I am interested in.

If you know my work, 911 and. And globalism and political philosophy and history and the environmental movement, all of these sorts of things. Who really controls the environmental movement? But if you don’t know my work, great. I think this book is probably as good an emissary of my work to the outer world as you can get. Because even. Okay, if you are a fan of my stuff and you know what I’ve done, well, this. I’m sure you will find stuff in here that is new that you have not heard before. But also it’ll. It’s the. I’d like to hope it’s the perfect tool for you to go and to bring to someone in the real world.

Not a link to some crazy conspiracy theory video that you saw online that they’re going to roll their eyes and not look at. No. An actual physical book that you can hand someone and say, hey, this essay, you know, the 13th essay in here or whatever it is, I think you should read this one. And I’d like to hope that that is a sort of key for getting people to sort of take a look at this information that they otherwise wouldn’t. And who knows, you know, maybe they’ll read one essay and go, hey, that was interesting.

And maybe read some more essays and hopefully get a bit further down the rabbit hole. So I. I am doing what I can with this book and so far, thankfully I’ve gotten a lot of support from. From my audience. Now it’s time to get it out to sort of the wider world. So is there a website where they can buy it or is it reportagebook.com r e p o r-t a g ebook.com okay, we’ll have the link up on the screen and thank you so much. This is a great conversation. I really appreciate you coming to the program.

I thank you very much for having me and having these types of conversations. I think they’re pretty important. So I’m glad that there are people like you out there doing them. There needs to be more of us. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Sa.
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