UFO DISCLOSURE-THE HIDDEN AGENDA-MATT VAUGHN

➡ Dave Hodges, the host of the Common Sense Show, discusses UFO disclosure with guest Matt Vaughn. They explore different aspects of the topic, with Vaughn sharing his research and experiences. The show also touches on the economy, banking, and the importance of being smart about it, recommending Noble Gold. Hodges and Vaughn also share their backgrounds in therapy and their interest in paranormal research.
➡ The speaker discusses the possibility of Project Bluebeam, a theory about government manipulation using UFOs, but doesn’t believe every government disclosure is related to it. They also mention theories about aliens being interdimensional beings, not just from other planets, and the possibility of them being good or bad, even potentially demonic. The speaker also shares personal experiences and stories related to these theories, including a story about teaching alien hybrids to fit into society.
➡ The discussion revolves around the existence of aliens, their potential impact on humanity, and the possibility of a slow, planned disclosure of their existence by the government. The speakers also discuss the potential technological advancements that could come from understanding alien technology, such as advanced propulsion and free energy devices. They suggest that these technologies are being kept secret due to their potential to disrupt current systems. The conversation also touches on the idea of good and evil in relation to aliens, suggesting that there could be both benevolent and malevolent factions.
➡ The discussion revolves around the suppression of advanced technology, particularly free energy, due to its potential to disrupt societal structures and economies. The speakers also touch on the concept of high strangeness, where multiple paranormal subjects intersect, and the idea that certain technologies, such as those developed by Tesla, may have been influenced by alien contact. They also mention the technological delay, where innovations are introduced to the public much later than their actual development, and the challenges of integrating such advanced technologies into society.
➡ The discussion revolves around the idea that technology is being slowly released to us, possibly by extraterrestrial beings. This slow release could be part of a larger plan to gradually disclose the existence of aliens. The speaker suggests that governments might not want to give up control over resources like energy, but argues that free energy is necessary for the advancement of AI. The speaker also believes that we are close to a full disclosure about the existence of aliens.

Hello, America and to our friends around the world, which are dwindling by the number every day because of certain circumstances happening. Welcome to the Common Sense Show. I’m Dave Hodges, the host, and this is the show that’s freeing America one enslaved mind at a time. And, you know, we like to branch out and look at different topics. And we’re going to do that today. We’re going to look at UFO disclosure. And you’ve heard my view on this from for years, but I’m not arrogant enough to think that my view is 100 complete or even 50% complete.

I have an open mind. And we have a guest today, Matt Vaughn, that’s going to, I think, give us some confirming facts that we’ve talked about, but also get us to consider other aspects of the argument here. And we are always open to exploring this because I’m not here to support anybody. I’m here to arrive at the truth. We’re brought to you by Noble Gold. We’re coming to you from the Noble Gold Studios, and, and Noble Gold is where you want to be right now. The economy is going off the cliff and I’ll spare you all the elaborations why, but if your retirement is associated with the bank, the banks can take a Dodd Frank 2010.

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I mean, you know, I spent some time being a therapist and Matt is a psychotherapist, has been for 15 years. He works with clients from over 30 countries in private practice and has worked in notable mental health and addiction treatments. I did addiction treatment too, so we share that as well. MA in psychology from the University of West Georgia. And he adheres a lot to Abraham Maslow, which is an interesting guy. That takes me to one of my favorite guys, Viktor Frankl, on the same line. He’s been researching the paranormal for 35 years. And I could keep going through this, but I just want to mention his book off the Top because we’ll talk about it for we’re done too.

You can go to mycosmictrigger.com and find the book High Strangeness in Theory, in Practice. And this is fantastic. He’s written articles too, but we’ll cover all that with you. So when we leave this interview, you go, wow, Dave, he confirmed a lot of you and he gave you some new ideas and I want to know more. Well, we’re going to send you the place at the end of the interview where you can get more. Matt, first time appearance on the Common Sense Show. It’s great to have you on. Thank you so much for joining us and I love your background.

It’s so appropriate for our discussion. Where do you think we should start with? Let me tell you this. I was a kid when I first read in my local newspaper about the Betty and Barney Hill deal. And I mean a kid. I was in elementary school and I was so taken by the article and I don’t know why I was compelled, but I had this electric football game I used to play on snowy days and I took the article and put it between the board and the box that covered the board. And I kept it there for years and years and years and I wished I still had it.

But Betty and Barney Hill was my awakening to this topic, that there might be more to this than meets the eye. How about you? How did you get interested in this topic? Well, that’s a great image by the way. The old electronic football game. That’s good. I like that. I’m old enough to have seen those in action just a little bit. I got into this, it’s really the first subject I was into ever since I was a kid in elementary school. These were the first books I checked out from the library. You know, books on ghost hunting and Bigfoot and all paranormal subjects.

So including UFOs. But where I really my research kind of went to that next level more sort of the type of research that I’m still writing about today is in the mid to early 90s and when I was getting on bulletin board systems. I don’t know if you remember bbss, but BVS is such a fascinating history of the Internet. It’s the precursor to the Internet. And I was essentially calling into one website at a time with a modem and I was calling in and looking at these BBSs that were about UFO disclosure, paranormal subjects. That’s where I learned about Area 51.

Now this was when it was a rumor, it was a conspiracy. It wasn’t verified, but I’m reading about it on the. On these BBS’s and it’s really exciting my mind. I’m learning about Bob Lazar. This is in high school. And as I say in my book, when the X Files came out, I was so deep into this, I didn’t even watch the X Files because I viewed that as just entertainment, whereas I was doing the true research, you know, on these BBS’s. The one thing about the X Files that caught my attention though was the secret cabal, because I do believe one exists and decides what we get to see.

That’s what my research has led me to. But I agree with it was entertainment. But I like the show. I was just a kid. I had a very arrogant view of things. But I’ve watched this show since and it’s a great show. So no disrespect to the creators of that show. No, I agree with you. There were a couple things in there that really caught my attention and stay with me to this day. But as a whole, I agree it was entertainment, but what I like that it did. It awakened to the public that there’s more to our reality than some realize.

And you know, one of the things. I’m sorry, Dave, go ahead. One of the things I’ve been saying to people on my sub stack on Facebook is watch the X Files. If you want to get prepared for what I believe is coming, watch the X Files like it’s a documentary. And that will get you closer to the truth than. Than not. Yeah, my dad did intelligence work and one of the things. Oh, Lord. Yeah, yeah. But he was one of the good guys. And because he did it through naval intelligence, he wasn’t. Well, I have a friend that’s coming on my show tomorrow is XCIA High Level.

And some of these guys are really good guys, but some of them would sell their mother down the river. And that’s my dad’s quote. But he worked with captured German scientists after World War II. In fact, he came into it late, like the late 50s and into the 60s. And he asked the Germans, how did you get so far ahead in your theoretical physics? And he said, they said to him, universally, we got it from aliens. Question. Did you ever meet them? No. And my dad thought, well, he knew about the occultic practices of the Nazi scientists and actually their entire government.

And he concluded it might be demonic. And that’s what he told me. But he also learned about Project Bluebeam, which is a fake alien invasion. What’s your opinion on Bluebeam? Oh, man, we are jumping right into it, Dave. The hot. The hot. So my opinion, okay, Project Bluebeam. Okay, it’s definitely possible that that is in the works. You know, I think the last couple, two days and yeah, you know, I’m sorry, Matt, you’re breaking up pretty bad. It is possible, but I. Here’s where I want to push back, Like. Matt, you’re breaking up. Really? Okay, okay.

Well, I think we’ve got the communication issue straightened out. If you heard my interview on John B. Wells two nights ago, Caravan to midnight. You know, our interview was interrupted five times and they couldn’t get a hold of me through my cell phone or even my wife’s cell phone. I mean, this was deliberate. And so we, I think we’re getting a little interference here. Matt has taken some steps. I think we’re good to go. And back in the fold. And Matt, I had brought up the notion of Project Bluebeam and I just wanted to get your quick opinion on that.

I definitely think Project Blue Beam. Blue Beam is possible. The only thing. And, and I pointed out Dr. Steven Greer has been talking about that recently. I don’t know if you follow his stuff. Yeah, interesting factoid, Dave. Dr. Stephen Greer was a medical ER doctor in the county that I live in, so kind of an interesting synchronicity. He may have sewed up my leg when I was a kid, but that’s a whole nother story. Project Bluebeam, it’s definitely possible. The only thing I will push back on, I feel like people in the ufology space are. Anytime any government disclosure is happening, it’s sort of this knee jerk response to say, oh, it’s Project Bluebeam.

And I don’t view it that way. I, I don’t think every single thing that is government disclosure related is related to Project Bluebeam. But it is definitely something I think to keep in mind, especially since you’ve heard this through your family connections. Yeah, I think you’re, you’re absolutely right on that. I don’t think it’s the only way to view this, but let’s put it this way, I’m mindful if we were to have a sudden alien threat, I would be extremely suspicious as to the intent behind it. And I’ve been conditioned by my father. He told me stuff he shouldn’t have told me in the last two years of his life, which was in the mid-80s.

And so it definitely influenced me. And I held that for a long time and didn’t act on it because he told me I couldn’t until after my mom was gone because she could lose everything. You know, if you violate national security protocols, they can take all your property and they don’t need a judicial process to do it. They can put you in prison without. Under the ndaa, without any. So I had to wait until my mom passed and then I finally started talking about this topic. I noticed here from the background too, that you’ve paid some attention to J.D.

vance and his assertion that aliens are actually demonic. And I think there’s a possibility that at least in fact, Ted Brewer and I talked about this yesterday on air. We think it’s some of it, but not necessarily all of it. What’s your position on JD Vance and what he said? Well, first of all, I want to say we. We certainly live in interesting times when the sitting vice president has said he thinks they’re demons. So pretty interesting times. I. I think it could be. So in my book, my Cosmic Trigger, I want to sort of just let everybody know how I view that book.

The book is meant to be. It’s essentially like a textbook. And if you read my book, you will get caught up to speed on all of the theories of all of this weird from ufology to ghosts to Bigfoot. And it is presents sort of a unified field theory of all of these subjects. And what I’m trying to do is show that all of the academic sort of discourse around this subject since the beginning, so I say all that to say this question about that they could be demonic has been explored in ufology since the beginning. And I explore those theories in the book.

So everybody has the full picture of all the different theories. This fits into the inter to interdimensional hypothesis. So you’re hearing a lot about this now that these are not. These aliens are not little green men from Mars, but are interdimensional and meaning they come from some other dimension, not just traveling through space in a spaceship. Here’s the thing, since you’re up in the ante, we’re talking about some really hot takes. Dave, with your dad and everything. Gonna make me nervous the rest of the day. Thanks very much. But there appears to be. The more you research this, the image you get is war in heaven.

The image of war in heaven. So you have. Everybody keeps asking, are they good? Are they good UFOs? Are they bad UFOs? So this long story short, there appears to be really, really good ones and really, really bad ones. And if you research this enough, this the research about the really, really bad ones, it’s hard for you not to think maybe they’re demonic. Go ahead, Dave. I’m sorry. I think you’re right, Matt. I think in part I, I had two very close friends that were very close to this topic. In fact, they were both best friends with Art Bell and they, they introduced me to Sergeant Bob Dean.

And Bob and I had some encounters. We would do private briefings for people and stuff. We were finding out and people like Richard Hoagland was attending and people. And actually we had some astronauts attend and top scientists. We all had to sign non disclosure agreements. But Sergeant Bob Dean was the senior non common NATO. That’s the power of a general. And he said very clearly in our briefings we did together, Bob said that there were 26 different alien species and that some are good guys and some would like to wipe us off the universe, but they’re prevented by some cosmic agreement that they can’t do it.

That was his position. Yeah, that’s what the research, that’s what my research indicates and it’s that concept. So this book we’re talking about, my book, My Cosmic Sugar is a non fiction book, but I’ve recently written a novel called America’s Greatest Ascension Team which is the fictional version of my non fiction book. And this concept is, is. Spoiler alert. What you just said is the basis of the whole book. That. Oh, good. Yeah, interesting. Well, you know, Bob was, it’s interesting he had to battle a wife that didn’t want him to make any disclosures. And so we always had to work around that.

And no offense to her, she was a lovely person, but she was being protective and he wasn’t in the best health. I mean he would do his presentations from a wheelchair with a blanket over his legs. So I understand her protection, but he was adamant and, and I asked him, I said, bob, how high does this go? I said, is this just a NATO thing? He goes, every important world leader is involved. And I’ve briefed most of them. So I mean this is high level stuff. So you’re on the right track, I think, with this. But also too, I’m mindful of Genesis 6, verse 4.

And I’ve done some, you know, Christian conference presentations on this and I’ve been told this is the big debate in eschatology now that the last phrase there is. And they were there afterward. After what? Well, the fallen angels DNA survived the flood. That’s the, that’s how I read. And a lot of people are reading that passage. So do you think that these demonic hybrids that intermarried with Earth women, you think their DNA survives to today? And they’re having an impact on our society, and they’re part of this cosmic conspiracy. Good Lord. Maybe. I mean, here’s the way I look at it, Dave.

I’m willing to believe and entertain just about anything these days, except for flat earth, as I like to say. No offense to my flat earth brothers and sisters. Okay, but you know what you just said. I want to sort of lay that out for the audience that maybe is not knee deep in the weeds in this. What you just laid out is, like, the strangest thread of this research. So when I started this journey, I was more of a moderate sort of researcher. But the more you get into it, the more these highly strange theories appear that that’s what’s going on.

Something that strange. And I’m guessing you saw the. With what Matt Gaetz said about the hybrid breeding program that he was briefed on. So it’s hard not to consider those sort of things when. When you have a literal ex member of Congress saying that’s what he was told. I’ve had the same encounter informally. I didn’t do blind dates, but I made an exception one time when I was 23 years old, just out of college, and two friends of mine, a couple, insisted I meet this one lovely girl. And so Finally, I did St. Patrick’s Day. I think it was like, I forget the year.

It was in the 1980s. Anyway, she was lovely and intelligent, and so my friends leave, and it’s just her and me, and she’s a teacher. Okay. Well, at that time, you know, I was teaching in high school, and I was a coach. And so I said, what grade do you teach? I assumed she was elementary. And she said, I. I teach kind of all grades, but that’s not the perspective. And I said, what do you mean? She t. She says, I teach alien hybrids how to fit into Society. Now, at 23, I didn’t have the awareness, Matt, that I do now.

I couldn’t get out of there fast enough. I thought she was loony Today. I’d love to have that conversation in full part, but. But that’s when I first heard about this. So when you talked about Matt Gaetz. I’ve heard this. She went on and she said, let me tell you a little bit about it. And I’m trying to pretend to be interested. And she’s telling me, yeah, they’re breeding kids, and they come to people like me to educate them. I said, where’s your school? In the mountains in Colorado. But she wouldn’t be specific. So. And I’d have no way to backtrack and find out who this is because I’d sure love to talk to her.

But. But that’s very parallel to what you said about Matt Gaetz. And, and you look at too. What did Anna Paulina say, Congresswoman? Oh, they’re real, but it’s classified and I can’t talk about it. So it’s kind of where we’re at with this, I think. Do you see, you see an agenda that’s threatening to humanity? I think that’s what people really want to know. Yes. The more you research it, there appears to be two factions, a good one and a bad one. That. That’s just the simple way to say it. And I, that’s why I get so frustrated in this space when people are talking about it.

It’s so black and white. They’re like, well, are they good or are they bad? The answer is both. What the research shows. It’s a lot to put. It’s a lot to chew on. Dave, you know, since you are a therapist as well, what I find most interesting is. I mean, not most interesting. I mean there’s so many interesting aspects of this topic. But I. Okay to go back to us that we have been. How I’ve been researching this since I was a young person. I think in order to sort of grasp and accept the reality of what we’re being presented, that I think it takes a lifetime of research and experiences.

Or else I don’t. I think this stuff is beyond belief. That’s the word I have been thinking lately. Beyond belief. How do you believe there is an alien hybrid breeding program? How does one believe that? I have bills to pay, I have dishes to clean. How am I supposed to also put that into my life? You know, I want to go back to the Gates thing for a second because I think this answers your question indirectly. I’m surprised he made that revelation. I’ll tell you why. I know about National Security Oath 450 or whatever they call it today.

And they can do anything they want to you, especially under the NDAA now. And you would think that’s a state secret. So you know what? My guess is this was a planned leak. The authorities want us to consider this. Yeah, that’s my thought. I would. I would tend to agree with that. And it’s one of the first things I read on these BBS is way back in the early 90s was this idea of a slow rolled plan disclosure. So I forget which document I’m reading, but it was the idea that there are Certain aspects in the military, in the government that are slowly preparing us for this reality.

And so a lot of people in the ufology field and it just drives me up a wall. They’re just weeping and gnashing their teeth. They want the full truth and nothing but the truth right now. And I don’t view it that way. I’m, I’m totally fine with a slow process. And it does seem like it’s, it’s ramping up with the things that are being disclosed. You’re familiar with the Brookings Report, right? No. Oh, okay. This was the, it was written, gosh. By the Brookings Institute and it was a document that became official NASA stuff. And, and people.

Richard Hogan, I think was the original guy to leak it when he was working inside of NASA. And it’s authentic and in that it supports your position of a slow desensitization for the public. In the document they say as we’re going out to space, this is 1959. So they were already talking about a space program. And then, you know, JFK made it a reality with NASA. And they said if we go out there and we find proof that we’re not alone, we need to cover it up because this will destroy religion. People will panic, economies collapse.

And they even went on to say something else. If we ever found out that they have visited us here, we need to cover that up too. And that became the cornerstone of NASA, which stands in my book for never a straight answer. And that became their guiding light. And so the Brookings Report supports what you think we should do, which you got to get people used to this radical idea. But I want to say this real quick and get your reaction to it. You know, I come at this from a Christian perspective, but I’m also open minded to know the Bible has open gaps.

You have Ezekiel’s wheel. He saw a UFO and it’s in the Bible. So it’s not anti biblical to talk about this. But the thing that I look at though is a lot of my Christian friends are very, very close minded and this is why they’re really locked into its demonic. And I think there’s a reason to consider that. Do you think J.D. vance is correct or is he playing out a mission in your book to lead us away from the real truth? What do you think? Well, that is a way to look at it. But I like to be optimistic because here’s the more optimistic way to view this.

There’s so many dimensions to this subject that, okay, if they’re literally a faction that is Interdimensional and so evil that the only way for us to conceptualize it is to call them demons, then that is a really important subject for people to start wrapping their heads around. So I view it more that this is one aspect. He’s speaking to the interdimensional hypothesis and getting people sort of open to that. But also I don’t know what he does and doesn’t know. You know, that to me is another question I ask about these world leaders, like which ones are.

Are read into this, which ones have the information. But I want to remind people, if we’re talking demons, what’s the other side of demons? Angels. Yeah. So it’s like it drives me up the wall when everybody’s saying, oh, it’s demonic. Well, there’s two sides to this coin. I think that’s an excellent point. I really do. And maybe this is the underlying element of it’s good and evil. And it’s something I didn’t discuss with Bob Dean because I really wasn’t that familiar with Genesis 6, verse 4 while he was alive. And I would like to have considered that part of it.

But certainly there’s change. How do you look at technology transfer? Like, I’m sure you’ve heard of Philip Corso and Roswell and so forth. How do you view the huge technological advances we’ve made since the 1950s, early 1950s? You know, I. One of the aspects of UFO disclosure that I have been talking about and I think is most interesting is the, the technological advance, the technology of this, of aliens. So as I like to say, the little green men didn’t get here on gasoline. They had some sort of advanced propulsion device, a free energy device. So this is what Dr.

Stephen Greer talks about in his documentary the Lost Century of all of these free energy devices that have been suppressed. And I think that is one of the reasons the UFO topic is. Is kept under wraps is because of the. The technology behind it. I mean, we’re talking also. So the little green men didn’t get here on gasoline. And also I bet the little green men don’t have colds. You know, last week I was at a cold and flu season. You know, I’m out all week. So I would imagine they have advanced technologies in many facets of their life that to us would appear as magic and miraculous.

So I think that is a big component of this topic, of the technology behind it. And I don’t know if you’ve seen this, Dave, but it recently came out in the Epstein Files that Epstein claimed he suppressed cold fusion. In 1989 that was Stanley Pons’s cold fusion discovery. I don’t know if you remember that. No. But this fits in with what I know to be true. Yeah. So Stanley Ponce. Yeah, go ahead, hit me with it. Let me share this with you because you’re going to probably want to talk to me privately about this because there’s some things I can say and I can’t say.

I was involved with Bill Pollock, ex CIA, ex Air Force intel and Vance Davis, nsa. And we were three P’s in a pod and we had a company and we were doing business with Enron. Enron had purchased land in the San Luis Valley in Colorado and Bill was doing a lot of the work on Tesla technology. Okay. Quantum physics as we would call it today. And Enron was highly interested. And then there’s this law that overarches everything. It’s called the Invention Secrecy act of 1951. If the government determines you’re bad for business overall, you’re bad for national security, they can take your invention and if you don’t comply, they’ll put you in prison.

Well, Ken Lay, we were on a conference call with Ken Lay, the head of Enron at the time. The guy that was scandalized supposedly committed suicide, which I don’t believe. And he said, you all better have your dead man switches in line because the government doesn’t want this to come out. And sure enough, six weeks later, boom. Enron goes down in a scandal where they had no previous history of any illegal activity. And we were going to build a community with zero point energy in the San Luis Valley and Enron was fully behind it and that got smashed to smithereens and nothing happened to the three of us.

I was afraid of legal backfire to us didn’t. But we were monitored closely during that time. So you’re right. And my dad told me too. He said a decision was made and he knew this from his work after World War II and Tesla technology, the Philadelphia experiment, all this, they made a decision that students would be taught three dimensional physics as long as possible and the quantum model would be out there and they’d consider leaks of it to be science fiction and try to demonize it that way. But today quantum physics has really made leaps and bounds advances.

So what you’re saying here, I happen to know for a fact, I’ve lived it, that there is technology suppression that we’ve received. Oh Lord. Dave? Yeah. By the way, I don’t think I’m, I’m a little too paranoid to hear Anything you have to say off the record about this subject. This is. Wow, that is blowing my mind, man. Completely blowing my mind. Yeah. So the more you research this subject, the free energy stuff. When I say this subject, I mean High Strangeness, which is my book, is my cosmic trigger. High Strangeness in theory and practice. High strangeness is when two or more paranormal subjects intersect.

And so, so when you. So I want to point that out to the listener, what we’re talking about here. When you research this phenomena, it’s not just. You can’t research just UFOs. If you research UFOs, then you’re going to run into free energy. Then you’re going to run into biblical issues of good and evil, and they all intersect. I agree. And I think all of these viewpoints deserve consideration. I think the truth lies in some combination of all of it. I really do. I just. Wow, this is such a fascinating topic. I will tell you something.

I know too. And my dad told me this in the 80s. He said he knew for a fact that certain presidents were kept from this information. He said he had seen a document one time they had the levels of security related to what they called MJ12, the secret group supposedly dealing with aliens and technology transfer in lieu of accepting abductions. And the president was on level 18 for the security agreement. Oh, wow. So this is a lot of what you’re alleging here, I think is exactly right on the money. But I think J.D. vance’s demonic thing, I.

I think it has some validity. He’s a Christian. I think he probably believes some of it. But the way it’s coming out, I’m telling you in my mind, it’s a psyop. They don’t want us to look at another aspect of this. It’s possible. I mean, with this subject of how multidimensional it is, I would be. There’s no way I can say I know for sure, but one of the things I tried to do and as. As a former therapist, you might appreciate this. I am by definition, by history, a negative thinker. So I can get really dark really quick.

So I try. One thing I’m trying to offer this conversation is a positive view of what’s being disclosed. Okay. How we can look at it. Maybe this is a positive thing versus it’s all a psyop could be. But I feel like enough people are. Are looking at it from that lens and I’m trying to offer it from this other more positive. Well, whoever the decision makers are, and my mind goes to the secret cabal in the X Files. Okay. When I think of this kind of stuff. But whoever decides this, there’s always a technology delay. And I used to teach sociology, the first thing I taught at a college.

And they call it technological delay. In other words, we had microwave technology as early as the 40s, but it doesn’t get into the mainstream until the 70s. The Internet was developed in the early 60s as a workaround to destruction of communications by nuclear war. But we don’t get the Internet until the 90s and that there’s always a technologically delay. So let’s assume we’re getting technology transfer from aliens. Do you have any notion on why we don’t get this stuff in real time and why it’s so spread out? Let’s see. I do talk about this in my book.

And so with. Here’s the thing with free energy and I want to say I do not support any suppression of people’s livelihoods. And Stanley Pons, his work was suppressed. And Dave, actually my family is friends with the Ponds family. So the reason I know about this story is because it was. My dad was friends with Stanley in high school. So I have followed this story since I was a kid. But here’s the thing. Free energy, if you have a device that can run your house in perpetuity, run your car, no more gas, that radically changes the structure of society.

So I don’t support doing anything bad to inventors or whatever. However, it’s not lost on me how big of a task this is to implement this exotic science fiction level technology into the general public. It would radically destabilize things. And one of the things I like to say is, you know, Mad Max, the Mad Max environment. We have this sort of image of Mad Max. I don’t know if you know the movies. Yes, but lack of, lack of energy creates a Mad Max world. Actually, I argue free and abundant energy creates a Mad Max world. And what’s now required? If we have free energy like you were doing with this community, we have to come up with new social structures that, that we can live in a, in a post free energy society so there’s not friction in the social realm.

So that’s what the way I kind of view what y’ all were doing coming up with this new living approach. So I, I think part of the reason is it’s not introduced is for lack of understanding how to pull it off. So, you know, it’s easy for me to sit back and nitpick this stuff. But if I really had any sort of power and Say somebody said, matt, okay, figure out how to introduce free energy. That would be a really tough, tough task. Am I making sense, Dave? Yes. You know, your argument today in 2026 is right on the money.

I agree with you. The societal disruption in the economic upheaval would be significant. But there was a time. Just go back to this, this is well known. Tesla in 1899 on New Year’s Eve sent electrical current without wires From Colorado Springs 70 miles north to the Capitol Hill area of Denver and lit up a house. And he drew the fascination of the elite, the Westinghouses and the Edison’s and all these people. In fact, Tesla worked with Edison, Westinghouse and the other elite will shun him because they wanted to put a meter on electricity and have a grid and make money.

And Tesla said we can do it for free. And he got shunned. And the only work he could get was with the Navy developing Navy technology. We had a chance then to implement the free energy now. And I do agree with you that today if we implemented this on a broad spectrum and I think the technology clearly exists, the disruption to people who make money off utilities and all the supportive services would be devastated. And, and hence I think that’s why we have the Invention Secrecy act of 1951. Right? Yeah, I, I don’t know how to pull it off.

If anybody ever gives me large sums of money to give my opinions, I’ll, I’ll try to figure out some ideas and throw it out there. But have you looked at Tesla as having possible alien contact for his amazing inventions? I have, I’ve just seen that, that idea, I don’t know much about it. The way I want to point something out, like I like to remind people, and I talk about this in the book as a high strangeness researcher who, I’m somebody who is into all of paranormal, ghost, Bigfoot, power spots on the earth. So I am a generalist, I sort of jack of all trades, master of some, I know about a lot, a little about a lot of paranormal subjects.

So I have not deep dove into the Tesla thing, but yeah, I am aware of that. Yeah, I’m not convinced that that’s true, but I think it’s possible when you can take a destroyer and make it invisible to an opposing enemy and actually displace its physical existence allegedly to another dimension and bring it back. That’s amazing technology. And this is 1943 when this happened and this was real. The problem is, is for the crew, a lot of them died. You know, we, we didn’t know how to do it without harming humans. We didn’t understand the effects.

But I got to believe DARPA is all over this kind of technology. I mean, look at UFOs. Now they’re flying along. Now you see them, now you don’t. Same thing. It’s same exact thing. Looking here about the reverse engineering, though. What do you. Do you think there’s an agenda behind the technology they let us have? I know some people that believe that. Like the late Jim Mars, maybe. You know, once again, I am. Like I said, we have a former congressman saying out loud that there are alien hybrid breeding programs. So I would be. I think it would be insane to not.

It would not be logical to consider all of this stuff we’re talking about. Yeah, it’s. I think it’s possible. That’s not a subject I’ve deep dove into, but it makes sense, given all of what’s been going on, that there is a slow release of the technology. And maybe that’s part of the overall sort of disclosure project to slow roll this because the technology we use changes our consciousness. Yeah, it reminds me of like Microsoft. You know, they have Microsoft one and soon becomes outdated. You got to buy Microsoft two. And that’s how I see the alien rollout of this technology by alien.

Could it be demonic? Well, partially. Could it be good? Well, partially so. But with the rollout of the technology seems to be on a time release. And that time release has been going on at least since Roswell. And to me, this is absolutely fascinating. But I think also too, we won’t see total free energy. And my theory is, why would you give up control? You can exhibit over people if you control their utilities, you control their water and the shipment of it, you know, to the homes, you control the electrical grid and the power system, the storage of your food.

That’s enormous power. What government would give up that kind of power? Have a pitch for you. The only way to unleash the power of AI is through free energy. So if a government wants to stay ahead, I mean, we’re in an AI arms race right now. So just pitching this to these people that might be listening to your show, given your background, it’s like, hey, it this is my idea. Like, here’s a little idea. Let’s run one of these AI data centers with a free energy technology. Maybe slow roll it that way, but we’re going to need more power to power these talking computers, y’.

All. That is a fascinating point. I. Wow. I gotta, I’m have to consider that when we’re off air. Because I really, I really like that idea. I think you’re right on the money with this. Do you feel just you have a historical base. Okay. It seems to be fairly similar to mine. So you have the ability to look back and you see and behavior patterns repeat. Does that give you an inclination about how close we are to total disclosure? Where they’re going to stop hinting and start saying, I think, I think we are so close. I think we are.

We have essentially had soft disclosure. To me, hard disclosure, as I like to point out, is a president coming on, giving a State of the Union, saying, yeah, guess what we have. Aliens are real. A UFO being displayed at the super bowl halftime show, a press conference with an alien from some species. That would be hard disclosure. But essentially we’ve had soft disclosure, in my opinion. And I don’t know if you’ve seen this documentary, the Age of Disclosure. I mean, you had Secretary of State Rubio on there. That’s high ranking presidential, you know, official from the administration.

So I think we’ve already had soft disclosure. And I think, yeah, I think we are so close. I could be wrong, of course, but that’s my prediction. I think we’re going to get disclosure from the current president like a fish, sort of, kind of officially within this year. When I say sort of kind of officially, I mean not like a literal alien from another species doing a joint press conference. Yeah. Or like the Day the Earth Stood still, where Michael Rennie’s alien ship lands on the. On. On the mall in front of the White House. Did you ever see that movie? No.

No. Oh, you should. You should go. The Day the Earth Stood still, it was a movie that was at least 70 years ahead of its time. It came out in the early 50s. I mean, it could have been made today. And the geopolitics in it and the nature of people and the fear of the unknown, I mean, it’s all there in this movie. And the technology was very far reaching. And they had a robot that was totally AI. This is in the 1950s. Yeah. I’m telling you. Want to go watch this movie? I always tell people, if you want a starting point to kind of understand where this is headed, go watch the Day the Earth Stood Still.

It’s fascinating. Fascinating movie. Let me ask you this. On, on the sci fi side of things, what kind of TV shows or movies do you think really conveys an accurate message? Each. Think X Files, I think that is closer to. That’s kind of sort of what’s going on now. There’s so many moving parts. Is it 100%? No, but, yeah, I think that’s probably more correct than not. Yeah. I became afraid of AI before I knew what AI was. Space Odyssey. Right. That movie. Open the Pod, Babe, Doors. How? I’m thinking, okay, I don’t want to give some machine that kind of control.

And that, that I actually was making a judgment about AI Then before there was ever AI, it was only. It was only in movies, so. Right. Movie. That movie made a real impression on me. Yeah. I’m going to check it out. Of course I’ve heard of that, but I haven’t watched 2001. A Space Odyssey is what it was called. Oh, that one. Yeah. Yeah, of course. I know I haven’t seen it fully, but yeah. And that movie really was the rage at the time it came out. It was. And, and I was, I was young at the time and I saw it and it scared the heck out of me because I remember asking my dad, he couldn’t talk about his work then.

And I asked my dad, I said, do you think any of this stuff could be real? He goes, someday maybe. He had to be rokoi. This was the kind of physics he was working on. Yeah. And with the German, hey, listen, the Germans were talking about interdimensional travel to my father’s team as early as 1959. Good Lord. Yeah. So this was, this is why, what you’re saying here, you know, I’m sure you might talk to some talk show hosts, are going to be a little taken back and say, well, I think we need more information. Okay.

Because of family background, I’ve walked down this path and I, and I appreciate what you’re saying. Let’s talk about how people can get your book and follow your work. And, and here’s another thing too, I want to do, Matt, as we approach disclosure with more revelations, I’d like to get you back on the show to get your take on it. Oh, I would love it. I would love it. But how do people follow you? You can go to just Amazon.com you can get the book there. And my up to date writings are on substack. My substack is called Salas of the Wake.

So that’s where. How do you spell Silas? S A L, U S, U, S. Okay. Salus of the Wake. Yeah, fascinating stuff. Matt. We’re going to definitely have you back on because we’re living in an age where this is an evolving topic. Good work on this. And I’ll tell you, I love the background. I myself need to get a green screen and become more creative. That’s. By the way, I got to tell you something before we close. I have a dear friend named Dr. Ted Brewer, and he owns one of the biggest natural healthcare companies in the world, and he’s had dinner with Netanyahu, George Bush.

I mean, this guy runs in high circles. He told me yesterday on my show and didn’t warn me, and we’re talking about the Artemis mission that’s going to circle the moon. And he said, yeah, they have a couple of aliens involved in that project. Oh, my God. And I asked him after we got off, I said, you mean human looking goes, oh, yeah, hybrids. He goes, absolutely. And I. And he said, oh, my gosh. But I can’t tell you how I know. But I thought you’d find that comment interesting. Yeah, he slipped that in. It was kind of a.

Let’s slip it between the sentences of what we’re talking about. I go, whoa, wait a minute. Did I hear what I just heard? So that’s pretty fascinating. But anyway, I want to thank you for coming on. This has been fun and fascinating, and it’s good for me to get away from hardcore geopolitics, which is dominating our society today. Right? Yeah. Really enjoyed it, man. Fascinating. Amazing stuff. Thanks, Matt. Like I said, we’ll have you back on. Ladies and gentlemen, share this. We need to open people’s minds, take care of.
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