Trumps Plan for Gaza Israel Divided as Netanyahu Fights to Stay in Power w/ Dinesh DSouza

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Look, if something were to happen right now in the United states similar to October 7th, now for it to be similar to October 7th, it would have to kill 30,000 people because we’re a bigger system. We’re 30 times basically bigger than Israel. So a massive attack like that, I would say is not out of the realm of plausibility. And I would not be surprised if we never saw it coming, in part because, look, we’ve created the conditions for it. We’ve had relatively porous, if not open borders for the last four years. All kinds of terrorist cells could be operating right now.

Our government is not exactly like on top of the game in staying on top of all that. We’re still trying to get people, we’re still debating whether people should remove their shoes at the airport in response to an attack that occurred 25 years ago. So again, our ability to keep track of this is not all that. Our record is terrible. Just a quick break in the program to share an incredible offer for you. I know so many people suffer with pain and you’ve tried so many things and I’ve been covering frequency medicine and I know it’s the future.

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In studies, they’ve showed that your Collagen increases by 43% after eight weeks. So again, go to trimedcare.com Sarah and save 50% today. Welcome to Business Game Changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have Dinesh d’ Souza coming in the program. He has a new movie out. It’s the number one documentary in the country called Dragon’s Prophecy. And when I was approached to do this interview, at first I was like, I like Dinesh d’. Souza. I’m like, I don’t know if I want to talk about this topic. It’s just like, gosh, it’s a hard topic for me because I’m just, I want the killing to stop.

And I don’t look at any human being is less. I don’t look at. I think there’s extreme on both sides. I think anytime there’s war, it’s a hot issue where anytime you’re going to resort to killing people, you’ve gone too far, right? This is not in normal people territory. Killing is an extreme activity. I don’t care what side of the aisle you’re in, if you’re killing somebody, it’s extreme. It’s an extreme reaction to something. It’s an extreme mindset. It’s extreme. And so I, you know, approaching the Gaza, Israel situation, which is, this is what it’s about, it’s important to talk about it because the world is on edge from, from what’s happening there.

I think that it is destabilizing the entire world and we are very divided on this topic. I have my own strong feelings, but I also know that people don’t all agree with me and that there are disagreements at large on this. But the stakes are so high that we need to be able to discuss and debate this in a rational way. There are people who, in, let’s say, the Republican Party, not everyone agrees to support Israel. It is not a blanket stance across the party. I don’t think it’s a blanket stance across the Democrat Party. It’s not, let’s get rid of the parties.

It’s not a blanket stance across the American culture of what they agree with and what they don’t. And I also think that people are pretty ignorant as to the cultural differences in the Middle east compared to here. I think there’s propaganda and a lot of money being paid on all sides to try to influence people on what to believe. And so the best way to understand is to actually have open dialogue and to, you know, let the adults in the room who don’t want to kill people try to rationalize this, I think my opinion, at the end of the day, just stop, stop.

I want to see the killing stop. And I want to see prosperity brought to as many people as possible. And I don’t care what you are. I don’t care if you’re Palestinian, Israeli, I don’t care. I want to see everybody flourish. But extreme ideals, extreme behaviors have no place in a civilized society, no matter what side you’re on. That’s my stance, and I think there’s extreme on all sides. I have looked at this issue. I’ve brought in people who are strong on both sides. And Dinesh d’ Souza’s film, of course, is about the Gaza, Israeli situation.

He is looking. He tried to look at it more objectively. Obviously he has a bias and he is looking at it more from the Israeli side. But I think that’s a valid side. You can’t just argue on one side and claim the high ground. You have to look at both sides. And if I am going to be honest about this, I have to look at both sides. Right? I have to. And I have to view both people as human beings, both sides. At the end, I just want this whole thing to stop. I think we need.

The world needs peace. Okay? So I invite you to be part of this dialogue with us and this debate that we have. I don’t know if it’s really a debate. I think it was more of a conversation. So I hope you engage in this and I hope you have your own conversations with the people in your family and communities and try not to get so angry that you can’t have dialogue, because that’s when thinking stops and we make dumb decisions. So before we get into the show, I want to tell you my YouTube channel’s back, so you can go there.

I am still going to be supporting Rumble and Bit you and some of these other places that are free. You know, my substack who supported me, I’m going to be supporting the free speech platforms that have supported me for the last five years since I’ve been kicked off YouTube. I’m very grateful that I got my channel back. I wish they would stop the suppression and we can just knock it off and act like adults. I had 130,000 followers. I’m now down about 10,000 subscribers and I lost a bunch of my videos. But it’s back up there, so we’ll see how it does.

I think a lot of people who have hundreds of thousands of subscribers are pretty much in a suppression cage, and it’s an illusion that you’re, they are offering free speech when you have, you know, there’s people that have hundreds of thousands of subscribers and 800 views. I, I don’t know if it’s a gilded cage making people think that there isn’t censorship when there really is. I would like there to be a free market of ideas and there be not so much suppression. I don’t think there’s a place in civilized society for that level of suppression where only certain ideas are elevated and other ones aren’t.

And the debate and the ideas amongst people who are rational and trying to have a good conversation and they just happen not to agree with you on things. Maybe you’re wrong and you need to hear other ideas because modern civilization thrives on open dialogue and it includes this conversation we have today. Okay. So if you are interested in seeing that, my channel’s back up on YouTube. My substack is where I post a lot of exclusives. I write articles, I have webinars up there. I’m going to have another webinar on Peptides with Diane Kaser that’s coming up.

So you could go to Sarah Westall, substack.com that will be the week, be the Thursday before Thanksgiving. So that’s coming up soon. Okay, Sarah Westall, that’s substack.com let’s get into this really good conversation I have with Danesh d’. Souza. Hi, Janesse. Welcome to the program. Thank you. Good to join you. Appreciate it. Well, I’ve seen a lot of your stuff and you know, you’ve done a lot of documentaries and, and they’ve been good. And you got another one that’s out and I’m not sure what to think of it. I think it’s a debate that you put forward that I think every, that we need to discuss.

Right. There’s a lot of disagreement on what’s going on the Middle East. And you have a movie called Dragon’s Prophecy. Why did you do that? Why did you do the movie? Well, the movie is a big departure for me in terms of topic because I’ve made eight other documentaries. Really all of them, in one way or another, have been about the meaning of America. I did a documentary on Obama, one on Hillary, the history of the Democratic Party, one called Trump Card, one about the integrity of US Elections. So this has been my stomping ground, you know, my domain.

But I went to Israel for the first time at the end of 2022. I discovered something I didn’t know a lot about, and that is biblical archaeology. So biblical archaeology has to do with the fact that in the last 25 years out of the ground have been coming all these artifacts, you know, these little, these coins or stone inscriptions or clay seals and suddenly figures out of the Bible who have been in the Bible for 2,000 years or more, but only in the Bible. You had to believe in them based on faith. But suddenly we’re discovering that these figures are historical figures, they are real and the events around them are real.

And this is being corroborated again not by like divine revelation, it’s being corroborated by science itself. So I thought this is all really fascinating. And I made a mental note of it. Fast Forward a year, October 7th. And I began to think a little bit about that because it’s so strange that the atrocities of October 7th were not only filmed but broadcast by the people who did them. I’ve never known apart from like serial killers who sometimes will like, you know, take video of what they’re doing and save it for their own satisfaction. I’ve never known of this to happen.

Even the Nazis, by the way, didn’t do that. They did not want to exhibit their atrocities to the German people. They put all the death camps outside of Germany. So I realized that October 7th is kind of a, kind of a larger than life event. It requires a lot of reflection about what’s really happening over there. And then I ran across this book called the Dragon’s Prophecy by a guy named Jonathan Cahn. And he integrates another element which is biblical prophecy. Now this is a little out there, I admit, but what it has to do is the fact that the Bible makes all these predictions about the future.

And some of them quite astoundingly have come to pass. And so I thought, this is very interesting. I’d like to make a film different than my earlier films that integrates politics and the Bible in a fresh and original way. And that’s really what this film is. Do you believe that you’re, are you trying to bring an objective look at what’s going in on in Gaza or do you believe that you’re taking a side on this? Like I have a conviction and that’s what I’m trying to, you know, prove to you guys? I think this is a bit of a false distinction.

And I say this because that’s fair, really. There is no way to be objective. I’m objective in the sense that I open mindedly go to a new country that I’ve never been to before. I’ve never written about Israel before in Any systematic way. I’ve never made a film about it. And I’m very open minded about what’s going on over there. But then when I look at what’s happening, I come to certain conclusions. And so those conclusions then become the point of view of the documentary. They’re not prejudices. I didn’t go there with a preconceived set of ideas.

And also I try, even though I have a point of view, to be fair to the other point of view. So if there are people who say, for example, well, yeah, but we understand that 1,000 civilians were brutally massacred on October 7, but 30,000 civilians were killed by Israel in the war in Gaza, I take that into account and I have to address it and I have to explain it, and I do explain it. So this is not a case where some people, when they argue a point of view, they ignore the strong points of the other side.

I never do that. Yeah, I have a really hard time with this issue because I see extremes from both sides. I think war in today’s modern society with the Internet and the communication, I think we could get beyond some of this stuff. It just seems so tribal and undeveloped, you know, But I, you know, I look at October 7th and it was horrible. But there are some things that are weird about it, like Israel not doing anything for six hours. You know, stuff that makes, that really brings questions to what was going on and it makes it so that reasonable people start questioning it and they should.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I will point out that virtually every attack of this kind on a democratic society has almost always gone completely undetected, which is another way of highlighting the extreme stupidity of democratic societies in being alert to these kinds of threats. For example, World War II was already going on for two years. We did not see Pearl harbor coming at all. And so the idea that Nazi Germany’s ally Japan would not attack our sitting duck navy in Pearl harbor, how could we have missed it? But we did miss it. 9, 11.

There’s some evidence that we didn’t, that there was. I mean, there’s always leaked information that there was notification. Maybe the mass government didn’t, but there was notification that was ignored. You know, there’s always. Well, I’ll tell you why that doesn’t make any sense either. Because let’s take, you know, let’s take any society. Let’s take Trump right now. Trump is probably every day briefed by this CIA analyst and that CIA analyst that says China is about to invade Taiwan North Korea is about to fire a nuclear missile. Pakistan is going to go to war with India. Now, Trump has to make sense of all these things and has to take action.

Now, let’s say that Trump doesn’t take action and Pakistan does attack India, Someone will then go and say, well, look, I found a CIA memo from two years ago saying this was going to happen. This was ignored. No, it’s not ignored. It’s part of the giant blizzard of information. And before an event, it’s very difficult to know what is going to happen because you’re getting truly thousands of forecasts coming at you every day. That’s fair. You know, so the idea that all these guys, I mean, can you imagine? Think about it. Did FDR really slyly want us to be attacked? Bill Clinton, who I think was kind of a buffoon and had, by the way, plenty of advance knowledge that bin Laden and those guys were planning something big.

They attacked our embassies, they attacked the USS Coal, they bombed the Khobar Tower facility in Saudi Arabia. But I think all of that was abroad. So the Clinton administration thought, well, we know where bin Laden is, but, you know, he’s a bit of a pin. But this is not necessarily going to come home to America. On 911 again, we’re looking the other way, and boom, it did. Well, 911 is a clear example of somebody knew because all the trades that occurred that day, right? So there’s always all these things where some group of people knew, and maybe not the majority, maybe not the people making decisions, I don’t know.

But there’s always that in these big events. Well, look, I mean, there are people. You cannot pull off any kind of orchestrated attack without some people knowing. Right? So in other words, I think that there were powerful people. And in Saudi Arabia, there were powerful people, probably in Egypt, in Pakistan, and maybe others who did know that this was being orchestrated. This took a lot of training, Right. And this took a lot of anticipation. It was being planned for years. I’m talking about 9 11. Now, come to Israel for a second. Israel, you probably know, very divided society, just like ours.

There is a left and a right that’s very similar to ours. Netanyahu and is under lawfare aimed at removing him from office. Accusations of corruption. There’s a big battle over the Supreme Court. In other words, to me, it is not a surprise that you have Israeli society divided in two. The two sides are obsessed with each other, just like here. And as a result, they become careless about looking at the external threat. Look, if something were to happen right now in the United states similar to October 7th. Now, for it to be similar to October 7th, it would have to kill 30,000 people.

Because we’re a bigger system. We’re 30 times basically bigger than Israel. So a massive attack like that, I would say, is not out of the realm of plausibility. And I would not be surprised if we never saw it coming, in part because, look, we’ve created the conditions for it. We’ve had relatively porous, if not open borders for the last four years. All kinds of terrorist cells could be operating right now. Our government is not exactly, like, on top of the game in staying on top of all that. We’re still trying to get people. We’re still debating whether people should remove their shoes at the airport in response to an attack that occurred 25 years ago.

So, again, our ability to keep track of this is not all that. Our record is terrible. It’s stupid. I agree. Okay, well, getting back to the Israel situation, you know, you look at the world, we have to look at things from a broader perspective. How is the world responding to it? And, you know, at the un, the majority, more than half, walked out when Benjamin Netanyahu spoke. The world is turning against Israel. And so I have some issues with. And I think this is an important point because I think a lot of people are really questioning the unwavering commitment to whatever Israel does and.

Hold on for a second. And that supporting an ally, or even from a biblical standpoint, supporting Jewish people, because the Bible, you know, it’s part of your faith, does not mean that you support them and follow them in whatever they do. It’d be like a child that you love dearly being addicted to cocaine, and you’re facilitating that. Loving them or caring about them or having an ally does not mean I follow them in everything they do, no matter what, period. That’s my interpretation. What do you say about that? Look, I mean, I couldn’t agree with you more in principle, but disagree with you in practice.

And what I mean is that. What I mean is, number one, look, when you say the world is turning against Israel, let’s remember that in the world, there are about 25 million Jews and about 2 billion Muslims, right? In my home country of India, there are 150 million Muslims, and they’re the minority. Pakistan has about the same number. Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country. The Muslims are huge. They’re all over the world. And they have giant resources. Israel actually doesn’t. Israel is the small player in this whole thing. That’s why it’s so ironic that people say things like Israel’s controlling America.

That’s like saying that the ant is controlling the elephant. It’s really hard to believe how that could even happen now. The second thing is, you’d have to explain to me what it is that Israel has done. That, for example, is analogous to a, let’s just say a cocaine snorting kid. Because I would say that the Israelis are smarter than we are. They are on the front lines of fighting radical Islam. They’re really good at it. A small country like that has been fighting terrorists in the following countries. Sudan, Yemen, not only its own country, Gaza, and then Judea and Samaria, but also Qatar and Iran.

So think about that. Iran alone has 80 million people. Israel has about 12. So a country like Israel to clobber Iran. The United States came in at the very end, lent our B2 bombers for like 48 hours. So we did a little bit at the end, but they did the bulk of it. So when I look at it, it seems to me Israel is doing a job we don’t even know how to do. Let’s go back a little bit and look at the US’s record here. Number one, Jimmy Carter pulled out the Persian rug from the Shah and that’s how we got Khomeini.

So that’s how radical Islam got ahold of a major state after 9, 11, we went to Afghanistan, we clobbered the Taliban and chased them out, but they’re back, so we lost that one. Iraq, we all know, was a big mess. So our record in fighting radical Islam is like a D plus at the best. Israel’s is like an A minus. So I’m not saying that they don’t make mistakes. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t have bombed that church that they did. I can find things where I go, they need to apologize for that. They need to stop doing that.

I’m not saying that we need to give any kind of blanket support to Israel, but I say on the balance, have these guys been fighting an aggressive war, but at the same time watching out for the civilian casualties? They really are doing that well. And that’s. And there’s a propaganda war anytime that there’s war, right? The fog of war. Yeah, when there was a ceasefire, you know, honestly what has to happen in a ceasefire is you need a third party to go in there and just make it neutral third party, make sure nothing happens afterwards because there’s so much animosity and anger that you’re going to have random people Being killed after a war stops, it happens every single time because people are angry and you can’t control random people.

And so when this is the kind of stuff that isn’t serious, if we really want to see peace, we need a third party arbitrator to make sure nothing happens. Because the last time when two people were Israel’s Israelis were killed, I don’t even care what happened, whether it was them, whether it was a nut job Palestinian who was angry. It doesn’t matter who did it. It happens in every single war. If they’re serious about war ending and bringing peace, they need a third party to just say, nobody’s killing anybody, we’re stopping it now. Quick break from the program to share with you something amazing.

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So I’m going to bring in a lot of Muslims now. There’ll be some European and American involvement, but it won’t be at the front. And we’re going to have an international authority that’s essentially going to administer Gaza because I think Trump realizes to have Israel go in there and have Israel ruling directly over half a million of these Arabs who call themselves Palestinians, that’s problematic. But it’s also problematic to have Hamas. So this is in fact the Trump solution. Now, has it been put into effect? Not yet. Because only phase one of that, you know, basically the swap of the hostages for all the captives in Israel, that’s been done, but no one has signed off yet.

At least not fully signed on the dotted line for phase two. But what you’re describing is phase two. Well, it’s better for the world, right, Having peace there and just knock it off, everybody, let’s get to peace and stop it and then have a neutral party make sure that it doesn’t continue is what the world needs. Yeah. And look, don’t you think that that look at all? I don’t know if you’ve been to Israel, but if you walk around Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, this is an industrious high tech society. These Israelis do not want to be worrying about Hamas or Gaza.

They want to go about living their lives. Here’s the question. If you go to a place like Gaza and you tell them, and I think this is really the Trump deal, he’s basically saying, look, all I see is rubble. I’m a real estate guy, so I’d like to see some nice buildings, some clean streets, some people dressed in suits, some high tech companies, maybe a Trump hotel. I want you guys to prosper. I want you guys to have good education. Including the Palestinians. They need to prosper too. Yeah, no, I’m saying that is his offer to Gaza.

He’s telling Gaza, we will put the money in for you to prosper. But here’s the problem. And the problem is this Hamas charter is destroy Israel. And not only that, the people of Gaza have been propagandized for 20 years and you will see them on the street, they will say things like, we love blood, we prefer death to life. So if you go to those people and tell them, hey, I’m offering you a better life, the question is, and I don’t think it’s an obvious question as to how it will be answered, do, is that what they want? Is that a deal that they’re willing to take.

Well, and I think that’s where the third party comes in and says, I don’t care what extreme side that you’re on. If you’re not willing to go towards prosperity for all people that live in this area, you’re a problem. And you. Any kind of behavior that walks out of the line where you hurt others, we have to bring justice. And I don’t care who it is, whether it’s Israeli, Palestinian, whatever, knock it off. And you behave that way and there will be justice for it. I couldn’t agree more with you on all this. In the film, the reason I bring in this biblical perspective is not because I’m trying to introduce a kind of inject a theological element into something.

It’s really this, that when you’re in Israel, you realize that the most contested place on earth is that Temple Mount. Why? Because it’s the holiest site in Judaism, it’s the holiest site in Christianity, and it is not the holiest site, but it’s the third holiest site in Islam. So the religious element is already there. I’m not introducing it. I simply realize that the theological lens and the political lens kind of go together. And there’s also really fascinating stuff that relates to the Bible that tells you a lot about what’s happening there. So it’s just an interesting perspective.

I don’t believe. For example, I don’t like these guys who tell you, oh, I’m going to tell you how the end of the world is going to happen. We know, like, week by week. I’m like, have you read the Book of Revelation? It’s deliberately veiled. It doesn’t actually. It’s obscure for a good reason. Maybe people don’t want you to know how this is. Is all going to go down, like, blow by blow. So I don’t do that, But I do focus on certain, like, large signposts, you could call them, one of which, by the way, is the.

I think you could hard. I don’t know another word other than miracle. The Jews are the only ancient people that have scattered to the ends of the earth and then thousands of years later come back. You cannot think of any other example of any people that has ever done that and that is predicted in their own scripture. So that’s interesting because something like 600 years before Christ, the Jewish scriptures say the Jews will be thrown out of their land and scattered to the ends of the earth. And then later they will come back, they will revive their language, they will eat the same Food, they will worship the same God.

And when you’re in Israel, you go, that’s actually happened. Well, and that’s kind of cool. But think about it. Is it that it was prophesied in the Bible or do people see it prophesied in the Bible and then they implement it? You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. But that’s not what happened. Because here’s the interesting thing. The Zionists who in Great Britain, by the way, they started the Zionist movement in Great Britain, were socialists. They were secular Jews. They didn’t even believe the Bible. Their motive for going back to Israel was secular. They were responding to anti Semitism in Europe and they were like, the antisemitism is pretty bad.

We need a land of our own. Then of course, after the Holocaust, the idea was, listen, this is all the more reason to think that the Jews need their own land. And the United nations, of course, offers this land to Israel. They also offer land, by the way, to the Arabs, which is rejected. What I’m getting at is none of this was done for the reason of the Bible. On the contrary, it was done by people who didn’t believe the Bible. And yet without knowing it, they were fulfilling a biblical prophecy. Now that’s interesting. Do you think, and I know you do, that there are some extreme religious cults, right? And some of these extreme.

And they’re there in all parts of society and they’re not a large percentage of people, Right. But some of these people have a lot of power and they do weird things. And I think the religion is a much more prominent in the Middle east than it is in the United States as far as it driving what we do. Well, I think the key to this, and of course I agree it has to do with the two systems of government. So we have a presidential system of government. And let’s say you had a fringe group in America, they generally wouldn’t have all that much influence, except maybe in a razor close election, they could be the swing vote in Israel, where you have a coalition of parties that you need to make up a majority.

So there are some of these religious parties and Netanyahu needs them in order to have a majority coalition. So that gives these parties extraordinary amounts of power. They can almost blackmail the government. They can almost say, listen, if you don’t give us this and this and this and this, we’re gonna pull out of your coalition and your government will fall. So this is the nature of government, not just in Israel, by the way, Great Britain has the same form of government. So Does France. So what you have, the parliamentary system where you make a coalition of parties in order to rule, is inherently vulnerable to minority groups exercising disproportionate leverage inside their party.

Well, and that’s what we’re looking at. I remember when I was in college, one of my best friends was from Egypt and her dad was a high level diplomat, lived on the same street as the president and stuff. And she goes, sarah, I really want you to have dinner with us because I want you to hear how he thinks. So I came there. You know, my whole perspective at that time was economic. Everything was financial. The whole world runs based on economics and financial. I still think that way. However, his whole perspective is the whole world runs on religion.

Everything is based on religious perspective. And I thought that was incredibly interesting to hear him talk like that. It changed my. Yeah, and he’s. He’s right. He’s right and you’re wrong. And by, by that I mean, I’m saying I was a college kid. No, no, no, look, here’s what I mean, that for most people in the world, economics is a means to something else, right? To some conception of the good life. And by the way, for us too, in America, it’s the same thing. We all want prosperity, but we want prosperity for a reason, for a certain type of life that we want to live.

If somebody were to offer us the prosperity and they were to say, look, but this prosperity is at the expense of your family, or this prosperity is at the expense of your country, or this prosperity is at the expense of other things that are really important to you, you might say, well, I’d rather not do that. Then I would rather forego some of this prosperity because these other things are really important to me. So I think that in other parts of the world, people are even more that way. They see a certain goal of life is critical.

And if you were to go to the Hindus and say, listen, you can give up the Hindu way of life, but we’re gonna offer you prosperity, they’ll go, no, thank you. We want modernization, yes, but Westernization, no. So I think what you’re seeing is not really that the economic factor is not important. It’s very important, but it is only one factor in the things that people are seeking both politically and in their own lives. Well, I think those are the cultural differences, but I think that’s where if we open up dialogue across countries, across cultures, maybe we can get to bring world peace.

Right? I mean, that is the promise of the Internet. I know that it’s a Double edged sword. The Internet is bringing incredible suppression and censorship and all sorts of control we don’t like. But it also offers an opportunity for us to be able to speak across cultures and to evolve and not have these wars non stop. I agree. I think that’s the hope and the promise. The downside is this. Let’s say you have a completely open and a society where knowledge is free, energy is free. It’s a meritocratic society. The cream rises to the top. You’re rewarded on the basis of hard work and intelligence.

Now look what happens in that society. Well, some people take advantage of all those opportunities and succeed. Other people don’t take advantage of them and don’t succeed. Right? So you still get economic inequality, but the economic inequality now is based upon merit. It’s based upon the fact you are behind. Not because you didn’t have a chance. You have free education, you have the same chance as everybody else. You didn’t avail yourself of that opportunity. So your failure is your own fault. But people don’t like to hear that. And so they’re gonna say, oh no, the rules are rigged against me.

And so, you know, I’m gonna vote for Zoran Mamdani because he’s gonna give me a free apartment, you know. And so what I’m getting at is I don’t think that even if our joint aspirations are achieved, we will in fact arrive at that utopia. We only create new types of inequality and. And in some ways those are not less difficult to solve than the ones we have now. Well, there’s always issues, right? There’s never a utopia. We just always strive to be better is what you’re saying. I don’t think we’re totally at a merit based society right now.

I think there’s issues and I think that’s maybe something we can strive for. And giving everybody opportunity I think is what we’re striving for. It’s not. If it was totally there, I think we wouldn’t have some of these other issues that we have. But for the most part changing the system to something that’s not. That is just going to make it worse, in my opinion. I think you agree with that. But where can people watch this movie? I think you present a different, a perspective that helps the debate and people need to think we need to have intelligent debate.

And we’re not have. We’re having this propaganda war and you know, you’re another perspective. So where can they see this movie? So the film is now in streaming and DVD, you can get DVDs on Amazon. For example, I believe it’s still the number one DVD in the country. You can go to the movie website. It is the dragonsprophecyfilm.com There are a number of streaming platforms. Eventually the film will be on Apple, itunes and Amazon Prime. It’s not there, not on there yet, but it will be on there soon. But you can stream it now on other platforms.

And yes, it’s intended to be a movie that stimulates thought. It tries to connect the timely things going on now to the timeless. And it’s not a movie that sort of is heavy handed in trying to dogmatically force an opinion on you. It’s really trying to take things that are right in front of you and saying, guess what? Some of these things have parallels that go back 3,000 years. Some of these things seem to have been anticipated in ancient scriptures in rather unbelievable ways. And all the chapter and verse is in the film itself. So you don’t have to take anything on faith.

You just have to sort of look at what’s presented and think about it. Thank you so much for joining today. I really appreciate this conversation. I think we need to have a heck of a lot more of them. So thank you so much. It’s my pleasure. At any time.
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