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➡ The text discusses the manipulation of information, often referred to as ‘fake news’, and the promotion of a coffee brand offering a blend that may increase lifespan. It also introduces a business game changer, Kevin Trudeau, who wrote a best-selling book challenging health authorities and was imprisoned for it. The text further delves into Trudeau’s exposure of the collusion between the FDA, the US government, and pharmaceutical companies, and his belief that these entities suppress natural cures to maintain profits.
➡ The text discusses the author’s experiences with censorship and legal issues due to his promotion of natural health remedies and criticism of the pharmaceutical industry. He argues that drug companies and the government prioritize patentable drugs over natural treatments because they are more profitable. The author also mentions his book, “Natural Cures They Don’t Want You to Know About,” which sold 50 million copies and led to a demand for organic food in stores like Walmart. Despite facing backlash and legal challenges, he continues to advocate for free speech and the exploration of all health solutions.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of organic food and the dangers of toxins in our environment and food, such as high fructose corn syrup and red dye number three. They also express skepticism about the handling of scientific information during an epidemic, suggesting that the truth was suppressed. The speaker criticizes Wikipedia for spreading misinformation and shares their experience with legal issues related to their book about natural cures. They argue that the power lies in the general opinion of the population and where people choose to spend their money.
➡ The text discusses how consumers have power through their spending habits, and by choosing where to spend their money, they can influence corporations. It also talks about the manipulation of information by media and corporations, often using subtle changes in language or presentation to alter the perception of the audience. The text suggests that this manipulation has been used for a long time, even in marketing strategies, and encourages people to be aware of it. It also mentions the influence of organizations like the CIA in these practices.
➡ The text discusses how the James Bond movie “Dr. No” popularized vodka in America, as the character orders a vodka martini, a drink that didn’t exist before. It also talks about the power of influencers, using the Kardashians as an example. The author emphasizes the importance of personal responsibility and the ability to shape one’s reality. He shares his experience in prison, viewing it as an adventure and a chance to learn about humanity and compassion.
➡ The speaker discusses his experiences, including writing a course on personal mastery, learning languages, and maintaining a positive mindset even in difficult situations. He emphasizes the importance of personal growth and compassion, and shares his belief that everyone has a right to happiness. He also talks about his book that exposed corruption in the pharmaceutical and food industries, which led to legal troubles and negative press.
➡ The speaker discusses his experiences of being labeled a scammer by the government and media, despite having a large customer base that supports him. He chose a life of controversy, knowing it would lead to personal attacks and chose not to have a family to protect them from these pressures. He also discusses the importance of being aware and smart, rather than fearful, when facing challenges. The speaker also criticizes the media’s influence on public opinion and encourages people to wake up and think for themselves.
➡ The text discusses the issue of people being imprisoned for minor offenses, such as incorrectly filling out a form or unknowingly violating environmental laws. It criticizes the prison system for profiting from the high number of inmates. The speaker also shares his personal experience in prison and emphasizes the importance of gratitude and compassion, even in difficult circumstances. He concludes by promoting his website and thanking the host for the conversation.

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And he was challenging the health authorities before it was vogue or before it was acceptable to do it. And he’s going to tell that story and how that landed him in prison. He had a 10 year prison sentence for not committing any crimes other than free speech. And you’re going to hear a story. I kind of was like before I did this interview I was like okay, I, I read his background, I was reading all this stu and I needed to ask him. So I asked him all the hard questions, you know why? So if you spend some time, you read what is said about him.

And then I had to ask him, why were you in prison? What happened? What did you do? And I think it’s a common story is that anybody who rocks the boat with, you know, messes with somebody’s cash flow. They have to suppress you. They feel that that’s part of business. We have to destroy somebody who’s going to mess up with our cash flow. And they just see it as part of business and it should be illegal. And you can’t just, you shouldn’t just be able to destroy somebody else’s life because you don’t like the fact that they’re, what they’re saying might hurt you, especially if it’s true.

Right. So we’re, we’re going to talk about that and it’s actually a pretty inspirational story. I hope you listen to the whole thing. So before I get into that, I want to welcome you to go to my my substacks are wessel substack.com I post things all the time, like almost every other day probably. And I every show you’ll get notices of the show. But I also do articles, a company show giving you context of what the show’s about. And I do, I have my replay webinar. I just had a webinar with quantum physics guys. They are one of the two top people in quantum physics.

They have more placebo controlled studies than anybody else in the, in the world when it comes to quantum and health and how it works with that. I really hope you go see it. I will have a link below. I have a webinar that I did with Annie Shekman. I have a webinar I did with Dr. Diane Kaser on peptides. So I hope you get a chance to do that. And I have a bunch of other exclusive material up there. After four weeks it goes into behind a pay wall. So there is, there’s years of really good material there that I have posted.

A lot of my work isn’t allowed on YouTube anymore or it’s hard to find. So some of my best stuff I’ll repost there as. Okay. Sarah wessel.substack.com okay, let’s get into this really good I think you’re gonna like this one conversation I have with Kevin Trudeau. Hi Kevin, welcome to the program. Hello there. Glad to be here. You have an interesting past. You have been, you had the number one times bestseller book that was on the on for 22 weeks in a go in a row on health and we’re going to talk about that. But you also exposed Things or talked about things that were.

You got persecuted for it. You spent eight years in prison. I spent eight and a half years in prison on a 10 year sentence without being charged with a crime. It’s called contempt of court. And as you know, I wrote the book Natural Cures They Don’t Want yout to Know about, which was number one on the New York Times bestselling list. 26 weeks in a row, sold 50 million copies. And it was the first book that exposed the collusion between the fda, the United States government and the drug companies and the food industry and how they’re preventing the free flow of information regarding natural ways to cure and prevent disease.

Virtually everything that RFK is saying right now, from fluoride in the water to high fructose corn syrup, which is the, is a big thing in the news right now. Oh, coke has taken high fructose corn syrup out. All this was in my book Talcum Powder. Johnson and Johnson wanted to sue me because I said tal comparator causes cancer in that book. Guess what? I was right again. I have a file, this stick this thick called Kevin was right file. Well, okay, I know I’ve been doing this long enough to know that, that they persecute anybody that goes after the powerful.

Right. I mean, it’s just, holy crap. And if you expose something that these big pharmaceutical or big industries don’t like, they just crushing, right? So what, what did you do specifically that makes you think that got in their crosshairs? I’ll tell you exactly what it was. I was on the Today show with Matt Lauer. This is when Matt Lauer was the number one guy on, on tv. It’s a live show. So the book comes out Natural Cures they don’t want you to know About. And, and I’m exposing the drug companies and I’m exposing all these natural remedies want people to know about because of profits.

And Matt says, look, Katie Couric was there. I signed her book. She was a big fan. All the cameramen and all the staff, the big crowd out front of NBC studios, I’m signing their book. So Matt Lauer says, Kevin, you got the number one bestselling book in all of America. It’s been there for weeks. You’re selling tens of millions of copies. Look, we’re going to have a great show, sell a lot of books, but don’t talk about the drug companies because they’re our biggest sponsor. I said, of course. So he asked me the first question and I don’t remember what the first question was.

But I remember what my answer was. I said, matt, that’s not the question. The question is, why did you tell me right over there 2 minutes ago not to talk about the drug companies? All you said, let’s play the game. Let’s play the game. Sell a lot of books, but don’t mention the drug companies because they’re your biggest advertiser. That’s the whole point, Matt. The drug companies control NBC. They control. They control cbs. They control everything. And that’s why the book is out. It’s exposing this corruption. And Matt looked at me like, you’ve got to be kidding me.

Well, why did you. Okay, why did you do that knowing that your book had all that information in there and they were giving you the exposure you needed and they were backing you to be able to do it, but not in a way that takes them down. So you know what I’m saying? Why did you do that? It’s a very good question. And the answer is, nobody up until that point had the guts to say that on national television. And I did, because I said, look, drug companies are publicly traded companies. They have a fiduciary responsibility.

All the officers and directors have a fiduciary legal responsibility to increase shareholder value, not to cure people and keep them healthy. I said, drug companies don’t want healthy people because healthy people don’t buy drugs. If the drug company’s goal was to keep everybody healthy, they’d all be bankrupt and out of business. They have one. That’s the Rockefeller medicine. Exactly correct. 100% on the money source of the problem is, is not their. Their goal. They want to have repetitive customers that buy their pills every single month. That’s correct. The thing is, is that if you’re super healthy, you’re taking supplements, there are things that you need to do every.

We could reach. We could shift. I guess the money’s not as. That’s lucrative. No, you can’t patent. You can’t patent Acerola Cherry or Camu Camu to get your vitamin C. You can’t patent an orange. You take orange juice, you dehydrate it, you put it in a capsule that can’t be patented. That’s why the drug companies, even the National Institutes of Health and Robert Kennedy is talking about this RFK Jr. He’s saying, look, we’re spending money, but we’re only allowing that money to be used to research patentable drugs. That’s right. Why don’t we use that money to research everything? Well, and that’s nobody can make any money.

Well, okay, so if you read your Wikipedia page, people would be. Would. Look, I know how it works. They smear you to the hilt on Wikipedia. I’m not allowed on Wikipedia even though that I’m like one of the top. I’m in the 0.03% top podcasts in business news. And I’m not allowed on. That tells you. That tells you the tale. Yeah, and you’re allowed on YouTube, but I’m not. But the interesting thing is so far. So far I’m allowing you to. So far you won’t be probably after a while. But what I want to talk about is what about these naps you call.

You said cure. Everybody’s afraid to secure anymore because you don’t want to. They figured out how to weaponize the word. You can’t use cure. You can say it improves. You can say all those things. You can’t even say orange juice cures. What is the. What is the disease when you don’t have enough vitamin C? You can’t even say orange juice or vitamin C cures scurvy. You can’t say that even though it’s factually accurate. In studies, they can say stuff like that, but you can’t. Now, what in your stuff did you. Staying away from those languages. Because the last thing I want is a lawsuit.

I don’t want to be taken down, but I do want to inform people. I want them to look into this stuff. What about some of these natural treatments did you put out there that were effective? That was new. Well, remember I wrote a book. I’ve written several books. But Natural Cures they don’t want you to know about was my biggest book, sold 50 million copies. And I don’t sell supplements. I don’t sell anything. It’s information. It’s supposed to be protected by the First Amendment of the United States. Free. Free speech. I should be allowed to write a book called the Moon is Made of Cheese.

I went up to the moon on an alien spacecraft with Elvis Presley. That’s free speech. Even though it’s complete fantasy and a big lie, you can write that. Nobody can sue you for that. I wrote a book that said in my opinion. And I wrote the book. And they still sued me, held me in contempt of court because the judge said, you must stop printing these books. This book burning, It’s a book. It’s a harmless book. It’s information. It’s an opinion. It’s a theory. But it doesn’t matter what was in there. Persecuted for free speech, I was persecuted for free speech because up until that point, Nobody had sold 50 million copies of the book.

But more important than that, I was on television every single day in America. I had hundreds of millions of impressions every week. People were hearing the message. People wanted to hear this. They were hungry for it. And. But you know what was interesting? And this is what I realized in the 90s, when I was coming of age, I was out of college and stuff, there was a vibrant. We were all free. We could explore ideas we could think about things we could do. But the news was too. The fact that you were even on those channels meant that they still had embraced all those ideals.

Now we’re in this very fearsome police. I mean, that the whole culture is different than it used to be. You can just feel it. There’s a big change, isn’t there? Although they didn’t embrace free speech, when I went on NBC and CBS and ABC and FOX News. But the fact that you were on it was a huge difference. But the reason. The reason they put me on it was to discredit me. So when I went on, it wasn’t to embrace me. They said, this guy’s everywhere. Because I was buying TV infomercial time. He. I was controlling the message.

They said, we need to get him on so we can crucify him and discredit him. Okay? That’s why they put me on. So the questions that would come out would be like, I was. I was on another ABC show. And they said, you say in here that talcum powder causes cancer. That’s blasphemy. That’s ridiculous. Johnson and Johnson Babies Powdered has been around for a long time. That’s really ridiculous. And I said, well, you know, interestingly enough, in the lobby of the CBS here, there’s a magazine. And I pulled. Hold it up. This is your magazine published by cbs.

And guess what it shows. It talks about the study that says talcum powder causes cancer. Would they say, you made a mess? And they looked. They looked at me like, that’s good. I says, hit me with something else you’re trying to discredit me with. I goes, come on, let’s go. I’m ready. You throw your best punch, and I will hit you right back. And they didn’t know what to do. Let’s go to a commercial break. Let’s go to a commercial break. And they’re like, kevin, we ran out of time. Sorry, we’re gonna have to cut the interview a little short.

Okay, so after spending eight and a half years, you’re not the only one I’ve talked to who spent time in jail just trying to expose stuff. I’ve been around a lot of people who’ve been killed. I’ve been around a lot of people who spent time in jail. I’ve, you know, top whistleblowers bracket. I’ve had Brad Birkenfeld on my show who’s the top highly highest paid whistleblower in US history. He’s the only one that went to prison during that. You know, those kinds of things. You’re going to prison and all this mRNA, all these people that were destroying lives are not.

Nothing’s happening to them, right? The Jeffrey Epstein, the blackmail thing, nothing happening to people who are. We’re sleeping with children, right? I mean we’re dealing in a society where people are really seeing an obvious split of certain people get away with absolutely anything. And then other people are completely persecuted, prosecuted, killed for exposing truths. Julian Assange spending years in prison. You know, these kinds of things. Do you think that we’re reaching a turning point where this is going to, I mean it’s just too much for people or are people just going to shut down or both? I mean, I don’t know.

The media is still controlled by the elites. The messaging is still the elites with rumble with other, we’ll call them free speech platforms. We’re trying to get to a level playing field, but we still don’t have the number of impressions and the reach that the mainstream media or the controlled, we’ll call it controlled media has. You look on Google News, Apple News, any of these feeds, the data that’s coming down is a regurgitation and just repeating, parroting the press release that the government says, here it is, I know, it’s so bad. And then it’s repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated.

And somebody says, did you hear? I go, wait a minute, time out. Are you dumb? What do you mean did you hear? The news media is just parroting a piece of paper that came out of the government. That’s what they want you to believe. I know, I was just saying exactly that to my husband yesterday. On the most of these channels are just simply repeating whatever the news cycle is. And you’re exactly right. They’re repeating whatever the government puts out there. And those of us who are actually trying to do news and media are suppressed. But.

But I think people are catching onto that. And if we were allowed to grow or for real, this is what people are hungry for, little by little. Yes, that’s true. For example, when my book Natural Cures came out. It came out 20 years ago. My new version’s coming out soon. A brand new updated edition. But when that book came out, it was the number one, number one best selling book Walmart ever had. It was their best selling book of all time. And I got a call from Walmart and they said, you know, we really are excited about the sales of your book, but we really are not excited.

And I said, why? They said, because now our customers are demanding organic food, so now we have to put that in our stores. I says, well, you should be happy because it has a higher profit margin, quite frankly. I said, so you should be really happy there because they charge a lot for organic food and sometimes it’s much more profitable. And then they said, we have an OR. We sell organic things because of you. McDonald’s called me and said, we’re putting organic salad dressing in our stores because of your damn book. That’s what they said. So we have, I think it was Paul Newman’s organic salad dressing in the, in their stores.

Because people were getting exposed to the truth about how poisons are toxins in the environment and in the food, such as high fructose corn syrup. Look, RFK got the FDA to finally ban red dyes right here in America. And they kept on saying, follow the science. Follow the science. Follow the science. Well, the science in every country in the world said that red dye number three is a deadly poison and it should not be allowed to be consumed. So if you want to follow the science, whose science do you want to follow? Everybody else in the world or America’s science, which is basically paid for by the food and drug industry? Well, it was the same thing during the whole epidemic thing.

Follow the science and then they’d suppress the science. Exactly. They just put out their BS and it’s like, if you’re going to follow the science and you really need to be honest and have integrity about the science, it’s just so bad. Yeah, so. And then those of us that saw through all of it, it was just so obvious. It’s like, I just want to know what the truth is. I don’t have, you know, any claim to any side other than the truth, because this is really harming people and you guys are harming people immensely. And so we need to understand what the truth is.

And if there really was an epidemic, wouldn’t we see people, I mean, epidemic to the level they claimed it was. I don’t know, I don’t want to go into the detail, but wouldn’t we See people like dropping dead everywhere. We didn’t see that. No, even in the countries where they didn’t do anything. Well, they were actually better. Exactly. They were way better. At the end of the day, the position is let’s collect data, let’s look, let’s review. The smartest guy in the world. Hawkins said it this way. He said, when the facts change, I change my mind.

What about you, sir? And so we learn new things and it’s like based on the data we have today, this is the position we take. And then a month from now, based on the new data that we get some new information, maybe we change our, our position. And that’s reasonable. It’s just, we just want to know what the truth is. Why is that so hard? Okay, so you. They’re claiming that you put out information on cures, if you will, that were not true. That’s not what they claim. That’s absolutely not what they claim. That’s what Wikipedia says.

So. Okay, well if it’s on Wikipedia, that’s never what even the government claimed. The government simply. That’s why I’m asking you, so you can set the record are that is. See, Wikipedia, as you know, is nothing but a. Nothing but a scam, lying organization. No, no, here’s the deal. Wikipedia, the co founder of Wikipedia came out and I published this article and people can do the research themselves that it’s a CIA backed operation. Of course it is. Go ahead. That’s from the co founder of Wikipedia himself. If Vladimir Putin can’t get his Wikipedia page changed, nobody on the planet can.

So think about that. I mean here’s a guy that has access to everything and he can’t get what’s written about him changed on Wikipedia. Well that makes sense though because the west doesn’t like. But that’s how powerful Wikipedia is. Nobody can change it. It’s a CIA operation. Of course, of course. You can’t get anything accomplished there. If people would see the thing is, is that people in the know, people need to do a search. Look for the co founder of Wikipedia and look what he said about it. I think that’s important because it’s not coming from me.

It’s not coming from you, it’s coming from the founder. Right, Go ahead. Exactly. So my, my book, natural cures they don’t want you to know about and the weight loss cure they don’t want you to know about and more natural cures revealed. Nobody challenged the contents of the book. The government in the filing said we are not challenging what Mr. Trudeau wrote in the book. Much of what he wrote is we agree with. The others that we may not agree with are his opinions. We’re not challenging that. What we think Mr. Trudeau did wrong was violate a court order which said, you can’t go on TV and talk about your books, which was a.

Which is a. Which is a physic. Which is a First Amendment issue. Why did they do a court order that you couldn’t? Because they did. They wanted to stop the sale of the book. So they. I know, but who did that? And who is the right to do that? And just some random yahoo judge did that. No, it’s not. Well, I’ll tell you the story. He actually said, you can’t read your book on television. I couldn’t read. I couldn’t read. But what was his reasoning? There was a judge doesn’t have to give a reason. Remember, the federal judge in America is God.

I mean, absolute. He’s more powerful than the Pope. But they shouldn’t. They still have to follow the Constitution. No, they don’t. They can do anything they want. Is that because who’s going to. Who’s going to overrule them? There are three buddy judges on the appeal court that they go have lunch with and they go play golf with. I know, but that. Okay, there’s a difference between. You’re. You’re talking about. This isn’t Fantasy Island. This is reality. This is reality. Reality versus the way the conversation. The Constitution. Forget the Constitution. It doesn’t matter. When I was with President Gorbachev, we were traveling together for several months.

We’re on the plane and I said something about the Constitution, and he laughed like a fool. He said, kevin, it doesn’t matter what the law says. It doesn’t matter what the Constitution says. All that matters is what the guy with the gun says. All the. All that matters is the guy with the blackmail or the gun. With the gun. Whatever. The power. Exactly. And the judge has the gun. The judge says, bailiff, take him into custody. The judge has the gun, and all that matters is what the judge says. I actually said. I was in court and he says, you can’t do this.

And I says, that’s illegal. You take them to the Supreme Court. And then again, it just. They say, okay. And then what happened in the Supreme Court? I was on the front page of the Supreme Court website, which talks about cases. Alan Dershowitz, all the top legal experts in the country said, Mr. Trudeau’s case will absolutely be taken up by the Supreme Court because Of all these reasons, and it’s an outrage. And they didn’t take it up. They didn’t even rule on it. And, And I’m talking guys, guys from every. They’re blackmailed too. They’re having lunch with their.

And going golfing. And look, we know. We know that judges get phone calls. That’s right. Nobody, okay, nobody wants to talk about that. But we know that judges, when they retire, say it. They go, look, of course I’m. I’m pressured politically. Of course I get phone calls from senators and congressmen and the vice president and the. And the White House, of course. And of course I make rulings based on these factors. And of course I make rulings based on a lobbyist coming to me saying, we’ll give your son a job over here on the board if you rule this way.

Okay, so. So you’re right. I know. Painfully. You’ve learned. Welcome to again myself. It’s reality. I get that. It is. It’s sad. We’re watching it in real time. Everybody’s very frustrated. So where the power lies right now is in the general opinion of the population. And that’s why the mass. That’s why we. Why rumble is so important. That’s why, you know, other platforms that are free speech bit shoot and things are so important because the only thing that really, that we have power is the opinion of the masses. And so it’s really important for the masses to.

To see that stupid news cycle that. And not think about things and not critically think. Well, it really isn’t even the opinion because here’s how the control. This is what it comes down to. Bottom line, where the rubber meets the road. Where do you spend your money? That’s all that matters. That’s why years ago, years ago in America, they would say, we’re here to represent the citizens of America. But that didn’t really matter because citizens. Who cares if you’re a citizen or not? Then it became, we’re here to represent the taxpayers of America. So the only person that really mattered was the person who paid taxes.

So if you were a citizen who didn’t pay taxes, we didn’t really represent you. We’re really representing only the taxpayers. But today you never hear that somebody says, I represent the citizens of America or I represent the taxpayers. What do they say? I represent the consumers of America. America. It’s all about, we protect the consumers, really, the people who spend money. So the only person that matters in this country to the politicians or anyone else is the consumer. If you spend money that’s who matters now that actually has power. It’s the same. That’s exactly right. So you vote every time you spend your money.

That’s right. So the real critical element here in my books, for example, whether it’s natural cures or even my. My manifesting book, your wish is your command, how to manifest your desires. It’s to get a person to understand where are you spending your money. Because if you stop going to McDonald’s because they don’t have organic salad dressing or organic food, or if you stop going to Walmart because they don’t have organic food or healthy food without dyes and all these toxic poison chemicals, that’s how you get things changed in a positive manner. Honor by saying, I control you, Mr.

Big Corporation with my dollars. That’s right. That isn’t. But that’s also why they want to make sure new ideas. Because that’s my. Like what I do is all about the edge of change and new ideas and all this stuff. That is the most dangerous. Having people critically think and think independently is the most dangerous, dangerous thing to them. Oh, absolutely it is. If a person feels that they have power and control over their environment, if they are at cause over their environment, that’s no good. They government, corporations, those in power want you to feel you’re powerless and helpless and you need them.

But they do that subconsciously a lot of times because I know like big corporations want to bring in entrepreneurial ideas and so they bring in people who think differently and are entrepreneurial, but then they force them into their processes so they don’t, they don’t want it, but they, they do want it. It’s kind of a catch 22. So it’s all of us, it’s imperative for all of us to catch ourselves and to embrace a different way of being and acting Correct. And it really is about coming out of your trance. Stop being a sheeple. Come out of.

Listen, wake up, pay attention. I mean, when you read the news, are you awake? Are you cog. Are you cognizant of the fact that what you’re reading is manipulated data? The data is written in such a way, even with the headlines, just one word change changes the meaning of it. You can. You are being manipulated. You’re being given false data. We call it fake news, but it’s really false data. And you’re being many times lied to, at least misled. If you don’t want to use the word lie it or I think a lot of times they just take.

If this is the whole Picture. They take this aspect of the picture. It’s true. It’s just missing the entire context. And then you can spin it in any direction you want to 100%. And also with voice inflection, you can change the meaning of a word. For example, he did not say he beat his wife. Okay, well, let’s change the voice inflection. He did not say he beat his wife. It was that other guy who said he beat his wife, but he, he did not say he beat his wife. He implied it, but he didn’t say it.

He did not say he beat his wife. Actually was that other guy that beat his wife. He did not say he beat his wife. He slapped her around a little bit, but he, he didn’t beat her. He didn’t say he beat his wife. He beat the other lady. He didn’t say he beat his wife. That was his mistress that he was beaten on the other day. So you change just the voice inflection of a word in a, in a news broadcast. And this is a CIA, by the way, because I was involved in this. This is a CIA training method of manipulating data, altering data, and basically manipulating the way you perceive what was just presented to you.

But it doesn’t even have to be CIA. It can be marketing. It can be all this. But it came from the CIA. It actually came from the. I think it’s been there since the Roman time. I mean, I think it’s been there since the time that we. It’s been around for a long time. Clearly it’s been around. It’s. But it really has been codified. It really was codified by. Not the ad agency. It was really codified by the CAA and then infiltrated. When I was with Gorbachev, we were talking about the KGB and the CIA and the media.

And I said, you know, your media, like, like North Korea or Iran or whatever is state controlled. It’s. It’s a message that you dictate. And again, he laughed like an idiot and he says, no, the American media is pretty similar. I go, no, we have independent journalists. He says, your CIA is embedded in the media. I go, no, no, you don’t understand. Our, our CIA only works outside of the United States. And then this guy, he was a very jovial fellow. Again, when I would say a statement like that, he would laugh like an idiot. Again like, you know, welcome to Fantasy Island, Kevin.

No, the CIA is there. I was talking to Jesse Ventura. Remember Jesse? He was the governor of. The governor of my state. That’s correct. So I Had Jesse over and we were talking and he said when he became governor, told me the story that he walked into the governor’s mansion and there were guys in black suits that took him downstairs in the basement, put him in the middle of a circle of guys. And they were all asking him questions. And he’s saying, who the hell are you? He said they were all CIA. I agree with that.

I think that’s totally true. That’s what Ross sign told me too. When. When there was a big trafficking case, 19 CIA people came in because it was too hot. It went all the way up to the United nations and they wanted to. They covered it and changed the narrative. But I got to tell you, I’m going to push back a little bit of where it started on. I think it was a back and forth between the CIA and other. Other agencies. Because marketing, like in the 20s, when they’re trying to get everybody to smoke cigarettes. And then how they manipulated the women of the time to feel.

You are correct. A hundred percent, 100%. But the C. I. When I say CIA, it’s really skull and Bones and some of those organizations. Because as you know, the founder of the CIA was Skull and Bones from Yale. And it goes beyond. Yeah. And one of my mentors. Who was he? He was what? He was a mentor of mine when I was in college. And he. He anyways, whoever he was, he talked about how understanding of any kind of reality is. Is like a stumbling outward. Okay. And he has a circle where you’re stumbling outward. And I think that the understanding of how to manipulate people came from multiple areas of where it mattered to the most.

To them. Yes. And that. Yeah. Because the incentive to manipulate people to buy cigarettes, Women to buy cigarettes. Opened up 50% of the population to a huge market. They were in highly incented to do that. And so I think it depends on who’s the most incentive. You’re exactly right. I’ll give you a couple examples which I think are fascinating. Number one, in the movies, the cigarette companies pay for this line to be. In the movie, the guys in front of a firing squad and they walk up and said, Any last requests? Yeah, I want a cigarette.

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Do you remember James Bond? Yeah, the movie. Okay. The first James Bond movie was Dr. No with Sean Connery. At that time, the number one spirit alcohol that was consumed in America was gin. Nobody drank vodka like eight people drank vodka. Nobody drank vodka because it has no taste. Everyone drank gin and there was all these different gin brands like Gordon’s and Tangeray that had different botanicals in it, so it had taste. Nobody drank vodka. Smirnoff said, we need to get people to drink vodka. Let’s follow the same track that the tobacco companies did. Let’s get it into movies.

So they paid James Bond to do two things. Number one, he orders a vodka martini. Now, at that time, there was no such thing as a vodka martini, because a martini is made with gin and vermouth and it’s always put in a. In a container, a tumbler with ice and stirred. You always stir martini. You would never in a million years think of shaken it. You stir a martini, you order a martini, gin, vermouth, and I stir it on ice and then pour it into your glass. That’s a martini. But in order to help sell vodka, they said, we want James Bond to order a vodka martini, which did not exist.

And then because it was going to be stirred, because all martinis are stirred, Bond has to say shaken, not stirred. He has to request that it be shaken because otherwise it would naturally be stirred. And in the movie, the bartender looks at him like a vodka martini shaken. What is this? It makes Bond unique and cool. Within a year, within a year, Smirnoff Vodka was one of the top selling spirits in all of America. Because of that movie, because of that programming, everybody wants to be like James it’s the same thing. It’s like the Kardashians are selling this.

I know it’s just like a side thing, but they’re selling this like legging. I saw it. It’s all over the place. You can’t even miss it. It’s. I was on X and all of a sudden this ad comes on and it’s so bad. It’s a sign of our times. They’re selling these leggings that do this buttling. You can lift your butt without exercising. I’m like, oh God. Is that. Is that for men, men and women or just women? Just women. Right? And then they have the one of the Kardashians selling it. And I went, I wanted to ask.

I was at the Mall of America and I asked the Fabletics because it’s part of theirs, like, did that sell well? And she goes, it sold so well, within one day it was sold out across the entire. Just like that’s the power of influencers. And it also sadly shows where our country is today. Absolutely, absolutely. No question about it. But the bottom line is with the book Natural cures or with my your wishes, your command, how to manifest your desires. What effectively I was doing is trying to deprogram people from the programs or the brainwashing that they’ve had in your wishes, your command.

I’m trying to get people to understand you can manifest your reality. You can be at cause over your reality. You don’t have to be effect. Stop blaming everything else. Look within because you have the power to create your reality and manifest your goals, dreams and desires. If it is to be, it’s up to me. Don’t blame anybody else. Every time you point the finger at somebody else, there’s three fingers pointed directly at you. So it’s not them, it’s you. We try to get people to break some of those beliefs or that programming that they been stuck with that’s not allowing them to so the type of life they want.

I think you’re absolutely right. How do, how do those of us who are at the front of this, you know, they watch you be in prison for eight years. They watching me be censored. They’re watching that stuff. How do they. What do you tell people that say you need to have the courage? You know, we’re showing the courage. We need you to show that courage behind coming for things to change. Well, it’s interesting. Years ago I really wanted to help people awaken, come out of their trance. It’s like, what’s wrong with you? Can’t you see this? Can’t you see? What are you doing? What are you doing? You know, my dad would be drinking diet sodas.

It’s aspartame. It’s messing your brain up. What’s wrong with you? And I’m trying to convince him, like, stop drinking the diet soda. It’s the aspartame that’s making you fat and it’s making you depressed and it’s causing your Parkinson’s. And a friend said to me, kevin, don’t try to make a pig sing. You waste your time and annoy the pig. And it like my head exploded. Like, yeah. He goes, look, if somebody comes and asks you, help him. But if that guy’s over there doing what he wants and is happy like a pig, let him be a pig.

Don’t try to convince. Don’t try to convince them. Well, and they might be right. When you’re not like in a. That’s my libertarian stance. Yes, exactly. Do that stuff. Because if they’re really convinced on something, who are you to tell them that it’s wrong? Exactly. So it was liberating for me to look at people and saying, I am going to respect the way you live your life. I’m going to give you the freedom to live the life the way you want. I’m going to support the way you live your life. If you ask me a question, I’ll give you my opinion.

But I’m going to say, you know your situation better than I do. This may or may not, May not be the right thing for you. You know, somebody says, well, I’m getting a. I’m getting a vaccine. I’m getting a vaccine. I say, good, get a triple dose. Then if you’re going to get it, I mean, go all in. Yeah, knock yourself out. But this is why I’m not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I have no problem with that. I respect that decision. I choose not to. To respect mine, but, you know, no problem. Okay, so you, you’ve changed your attitude.

You think? I mean, after spending eight and a half years in prison for doing, exposing information that you out there doing it, Would you do it again? Oh, yes. And I’ll tell you the reason why. I loved my 8 1/2 years away. I loved every exciting, adventurous minute of it. You loved being in prison? I loved it. I didn’t like it. I loved it. Here’s why. Because when you really are free, your internal state is not going to be affected by external conditions. That’s when you know you absolutely have freedom and Liberation on all levels and dimensions.

For people who say, when that happens, then I’ll be happy. When that happens, then I’ll feel secure. If that person changes, then I’ll be happy. No, it doesn’t matter what’s out here. That state inside me is the same. I was there and I embraced. I played gin. I played bridge. I had a bridge club every Tuesday night. We played tennis. We played baseball and soccer and pool and racquetball. You were in a low security prison where I was in. I was in federal prison, Camp Montgomery. But I also started off at MCC Chicago in a jumpsuit where I saw three people stabbed next to me sitting right here over a piece of chicken.

So I saw all that as well. And I was shackled up, going, you know, with shotguns and watching guys in shackles attack a guard. And I’m waiting for shots to ring out. So I’ve been in all those crazy. How long were you in that before you went to the low security? Eight months. God, that would have been. I’m sorry. That would have been kind of awful. Well, for me, for me it was exciting because it was like, how many people get a chance to live this exciting adventure? Look, some people like to jump out of a plane.

That’s not me. Yeah, but anybody could go and live an exciting adventure. Being in prison. Well, think about it. Not that hard. No, it, it, it, it’s harder than you. Well, sure. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you commit a crime, it’s harder than you think because people like me, I won’t purposely commit it. I won’t hurt, I won’t do something. That’s the point. That’s the point. For 99.9 of the people, they’ll never have an opportunity to experience that. They, they can go on some survivalist thing for six weeks in the woods or whatever to experience some crazy adventure or do something like I did years ago, live in a cave in Tibet for seven months and, you know, doing spiritual enlightenment, guru stuff so you can live crazy stuff like that as well.

But the bottom line is when I was there, I did embrace it. And the reason is I quieted my mind. I meditated, I did yoga, I exercised, I read a lot. I met very interesting people, people from all walks of life, people that I would have never met before. And I learned a lot about humanity there and compassion. I also had a chance to write. I wrote a 100 page course called the Science of Personal Mastery course, which I never would have wrote before if I wasn’t in that situation. Did you have access to good library materials and good research materials.

Well, you had to kind of, you know, work around it as best you could and talk to the educators education director and try to get some courses taken in. So I learned to speak German. I learned to speak Italian. I watched the hundreds of hours of the Mahabharata and the Ramayama from the Vedic and Indian text. So I did some really cool things. That again, other than that, I mean, it forced. Exactly. But most importantly, most importantly, I showed that the training works because I maintain my state, the same state that you’re seeing me here. I maintained it while I was there.

I remember the warden came up to me one day, I’m walking down the compound, and he comes walking up and he says, trudeau, I’ve been in the Bureau of prisons for 35 years. I’ve seen tens of thousands of inmates, and you’re the only one who actually is happy to be here. And I says, well, look, I’m here. That’s not going to change. I can either be happy or I can be miserable. And I choose to be happy. And I got that. And I said, listen, I didn’t invent this. Read Victor Frankl’s book, Man’s Search For Meaning.

The guy was in a Nazi concentration camp wondering if he was going to get killed every day like all the rest of his family members. And he said, I couldn’t control my conditions, but I could control my mind. That’s the concept behind the movie. What was the movie with the dad that had the son in the concentration camp with them? And Life is Beautiful. Life is Beautiful with Roberto Benini. Yeah. Fantastic movie. Fantastic movie. His son was just so happy. He saw his mother at the end. That was that scene at the end with his son here.

I mean, and the father dies and the father dies. I know he gets. But what a. I was with Abe Forceman, who was the director of the Anti Defamation League, and he had said, in order for that movie, because it was about Jewish and Nazism and things, he goes, they actually sent it to me for my approval to make sure that this is not an anti Semitic movie and didn’t do anything to downplay the Holocaust. And he said, when I watched the movie, my wife and I were in tears. And he goes, if the fact that the guy got killed at the end, that’s when I said, yes, this does not downplay that horrible thing.

And he met Roberto Benini and he said he was one of the nicest, most wonderful people he ever met. I wish those same people that had the this, the conviction to make sure that the Holocaust isn’t downplayed, that they have the same conviction to make sure the Palestinian situation isn’t downplayed, and that they could open their minds to see the same abuse that was that they talk about is also happening today. And they’re part. A lot of people are part of it, that they, you know, in their society. I think if they, in their community, if they could see that parallel, I think we would be in a much better place today.

I agree. At the end of the day, I remember, you know, I had to say that if we’re going to bring that up, but go, I. I agree with you. 100. And as Gandhi said, I think he said it best be the change you want to see in the world. Right. So always work on ourself. When people come to me, me, they say, you know, what should you do to make a better world? Work on being a better you. Work on becoming a better you. Look within, be the change you want to make in the world.

Be the person you want everybody else to be. Work on you first. And that’s a lifetime project. That sure is. It’s a lifetime project. Yeah. And to not. And to get. To try to create a situation without getting frustrated. Exactly. And you know, when you look at people, stop being judgmental or reduce being judgmental, reduce being critical. Everyone has a right to be happy. The Dalai Lama told me, we were talking. I said, what’s the definition of compassion? Because in Buddhism, compassion is a word that’s used and it’s a translated word from their language that we translate in English as compassion.

And he said, well, well, one way to define it is when you have compassion for someone, you feel and know they have a right to be happy. And I thought that was a beautiful thing. I says, he goes, it’s easier to feel that than love someone. Oh, love everyone. Well, I can’t love that pedophile. I can’t love this terrible person. Right. It’s hard. But can I say that that individual who did this heinous, horrible crime and should be punished? Punished and they should be taken away from society and should be made an example so nobody else does it again.

Okay, but do I. Can I say they have a right as a, as a child of God or whatever you want to say, do they have a right to be happy? That’s. That’s easier maybe to get to be easier. I think when you’re talking about somebody who committed a crime like that, it depends on what makes them happy. They don’t Have a right to. To be happy. They don’t have a right to be happy. Sad, but. But not. Yeah, but we’re not talking about committing heinous crimes exactly, but we’re talking at, you know, this spiritual level of, you know, that’s right deep within us.

And the namaste. And I would take that further and say they have a right to be happy, and what they’re doing makes others sad and probably themselves sad. And for them to be happy, they need to. They need to. I mean, they’re sick. They have a right to have their sickness be cured. Maybe. I don’t know. Yeah, well, you know what it is? A guy, I think, explained it that way. He says people that are in pain do painful things to others. And so when we look at individuals who are creating painful experiences to others, we have to know at some deep level, they’re in pain.

And we’ve done this ourselves. Somebody breaks up with us, we. Something terrible happens, and what do we do? We latch out. We kick the cat. Cat. I mean, the cat watched in front of us, and we kicked the damn cat. The cat didn’t do anything wrong. But I know what you’re talking about. You know what I’m. You know what I’m saying? No, you take. You lash out on those you love. Yeah. Or whoever’s closest by, like, the cat who just happened to be walking in. And the reason I say that is I saw a friend do it one time walking in his house, and the cat was greeting him.

What did you say? Oh, it’s the cat. And I said, what? Why did you kick the cat for? And he says it was there. Cat was greeting him, which is really sad because now he’s trained his cat not to love him and greet him. The cat was. The cat was, like, you know, traumatized. It needs. It needs therapy now. Oh, okay. So don’t kick your cat, especially if they’re coming to greet you. Come on, knock it off. Okay. Well, good. Well, where. This is actually. This is really an interesting conversation. I wasn’t expecting to go in this direction, so I’m really glad we dove.

It didn’t go in any direction. It fell off the rails a long time ago. I love that. Well, no, there’s a lot happening when it falls off the rails. I love this. I had to talk to you about some of these things because that’s the most people want to know, like, what the heck? And. And it’s so interesting because at that. What I do, I’m surrounded with people who have been persecuted like this, for just doing what’s right. Right. And, and so we have to. It’s beyond time, you know, and if a history is riddled with people doing what’s right and being persecuted for it.

So we have to grow up and realize, I mean, stop persecuting for people for doing what’s right and let’s grow as a society. Yes. And also for those who feel persecuted, I would suggest stop feeling persecuted. Stop feeling like you’re a victim. Look, I wrote a book, a number one New York Times best selling book. It sold 50 million copies. Everyone loved the book. It’s a book. It’s got my opinions in it. It’s a book, it didn’t hurt anybody. It’s a book. People loved the book. Yet I got sued by the government. I got put in jail for 10 years for writing a book that exposed the truths about the corruption between the drug companies, the pharmaceutical industry and the food industry.

I got crucified in the press where they basically just read the talking points from the government and Boldface lied about me. And it’s on the Internet. They call me fraudster, scammer, this, that, but no customer has ever said that. I have over 100 million people that have bought books from me and not one of them have ever sued me or said I was a scammer. Not one customer. Well, you can’t say that. Want not one customer. Because I bet you one those pharmaceutical executives bought your book and then turned around it did that to you. Okay, maybe you’re right.

You’re right. Maybe one or two. Okay? But here’s the point. The people that call me the bad names are the government. And then the media simply parrots it now with all that said, oh, and they took everything away from me and they did all these terrible things. Fine. With all that said, I am not a victim. I am not upset of that persecution. This was a life I chose. This was a road I knew. When I talk to Ralph Nader, the great consumer advocate, he said, if you’re going to go down this road, you are going to have a horrible life.

You’re going to be attacked from nine different sides. Don’t get married, don’t have kids, otherwise their lives are going to be ruined too. As a matter of fact, try to disassociate yourself from everyone because they’ll go after. I think he’s fell off the rails lately. But did you listen to him? And did you listen? I did, I did. Because when I, when I was in relationships, I said, you know, if I get Married and have kids. I can’t go down this road because I know, being a former insider, I know that they’ll go after your pressure points, and that is parents, siblings, wife, kids.

Those are your biggest pressure points. I think that that is a message that shouldn’t. I don’t think people should be fearful of doing what’s right because they’re afraid of, of, of this. I think they need to be smart and be tactical. But I think we go around being fearful of doing what’s right. We were going to have one. Now you might have to consider it. I mean, look at Ross Pero. Remember Ross Perot? You’re too young. You’re way too young to remember. Okay, so Ross Perot was the third candidate. Bush and Clinton and Ross Perot. Ross Perot is screaming up the polls.

He got the 38%. 38% as an independent. Yeah, I know. And his daughter was. He got scared and then he backed out. And then he came back in. And if he wouldn’t have backed out because of it, he just would have stayed true. He got. They pressured him. You saw him on Larry King. He says. He said, larry. But he got back in. And so that makes my point. And then he was like, what do I do now? And he was frustrated. But the point is they came to him. This is the point. And he never revealed.

He never said what was going to happen or what. They threatened. Threatened. But he said it on Larry King Live on cnn, that they came to me and he basically gave a look. They put a gun to my head, and I’m. And I’m not gonna let him pull the trigger, but it wasn’t to my head. They put a gun to my daughter’s head and said, if you don’t get out, we’re pulling the trigger. Yeah, but. And then. And then he figured out he ended up getting back in and it messed up his presence for a minute.

And then it was, it was over. But, But. So there’s both. Yeah, I just don’t. I don’t want to see that message. Don’t do what’s right because they’re going to mess. That’s. I would not suggest. I would not suggest that’s the message. Environment that we’re in right now. I would not suggest. That’s the message. I would suggest that be aware and be smart. So I was never fearful, but I made a conscious decision. I said, I’m not going to get married. I’m not going to have kids. That will give me complete freedom. Freedom to be fearless.

Because the only person who’s going to face the consequences of my actions at that point is going to be me and nobody else. So that, and I didn’t care. I was like, you’re at a whole other level. I mean, you’re going to prison. You’re doing all these things. I said, I have no problem. I says, I will go on national television. I’ll do everything. I’ll affect hundreds of millions of people that’ll get access to the message, which they did. My, my before podcasts, I had a radio show show, and we streamed it online. We had 100 million listeners a week.

Okay, so let me ask you one of the things that the pushback, and this affects you quite a bit based on your history. Yeah. One of the pushbacks that they’re saying with the Maha movement is that they’re focused on food and they’re not focused on medical freedom. And, and they, so they, they felt that that was a, a deep state tactic to redirect to food versus the medical freedom. The shots, the big pharma. What is your opinion on that? Is it, is that true? And should we both be focused on both? Maybe. I would suggest that we don’t know what we don’t know that there are things going on behind the scenes that is not being reported in any format.

Matter of fact, 90% of what’s actually happening is not being reported. For example, we polled people about how Donald Trump is handling the Epstein situation, and here’s what the results are. No, no, no. What you should be saying is this is what people think that Trump is doing based on what is being reported in the mainstream media. So then we’re asking, based on what you’ve been, what you’ve heard in the mainstream media, how do you think he’s doing? How can somebody, how seriously, how can you say, how is the war going on in Ukraine? Do you think it’s going well for the Ukrainians or you think it’s going well for the Russians? If you say, let me tell you exactly what I think, I’d say timeout.

Have you been to the front lines? Have you read all the, the, the, the classified documents on, on troop movements and real losses or anything? Or are you basing your opinion just on what you’ve read in the mainstream media, which we know is not accurate, and it’s 100% a talking point memo to get you to think a certain way? So what they’re doing. Yeah, and I agree with you, but there is a question of, of Trump running on peace and ending the War and looking at his actions of extending the war is something that even. But we don’t know what his actions are.

We only know what’s being reported as his actions is my point. Well, do you know how many phone calls. But, but if he wants the American people to understand, maybe he doesn’t. And that’s, that’s part of politics. But if he wants the American people to understand, then, and even like the genius act or legislation, we can only read legislation, we can only look at actions and you know, the 50 day thing that he has in place with Ukraine brain, we can only look at actions. And that what the mass media reports, I don’t look at, but I sure look at actions and I don’t know.

You know, there are questions, a lot of questions. The point is most people are giving their opinions based on what they, what information has been presented them. Remembering that the information being presented is to get you to think a certain way. So the polls are, we want people to believe this. So let’s put out all these news stories now. Let’s take a poll and yes, they do. And reinforce the news story. Yeah, we won, we won. We got them to think the way we want. Full circle back to what we were talking about. Yeah, it is, you’re right, it is 100%.

Which is why. And now this is the exact. Which is why the answer is real simple. Wake up, everybody. Come out of your trance. Well, and in order for people to, for people who are trying to look at actions and understand it, maybe there needs to be a little bit more transparency and maybe the, and maybe some of it is true. You know, if you look at the legislation and then legislation is a certain thing, then yes and no. Yes and no. Because most people don’t know that most those bits of legislation are never actually implemented.

Example, the Bureau of Prisons and I happen to be an expert in this area because I was there while I was away. Donald Trump in his first administration with Jared Kushner and Sean Hopwood and other people that I know passed the First Step Act. And the First Step act was prison reform. And it allowed inmates to actually do courses and get additional good time credits. So a white collar person who basically filled out a form or a, on an IRS form and got five years in prison for it. And there was like, no, he didn’t owe any taxes, but he just filled out the form wrong or was filed it two days late.

And the reason I know that I was in prison with a guy who filed the form. That’s stuff that nobody should Go to prison for. Correct. But he’s in prison. Victimless crimes do not. There’s no money lost. He filed a form rom. But they put him in prison so he can actually do some work programs and reduce his sentence and get some good time. Time. Okay. You know what the Bureau of Prison said when they got it? They said, we’re not going to implement that. We don’t have the manpower for over a decade. So they have not followed the law.

So they still haven’t implemented. No, there was just a congressional hearing. And the woman said in the last two months, they started well. And the reason why is because it’s a profitable enterprise. Of course it is. And. And every head fed that’s in prison can be. They can loan money and get money. It’s a. It’s a. What do you call it? A fund. They create funds. They create equity positions based on the number of people in prison. Yes. And that’s why the numbers. It’s like mortgages. Yeah. Because it’s something. It’s a recurring number coming from a secured source.

You’re. You’re a paying person. Your W2s. This is a recurring monthly money coming in from the government that. That they can trust. So then they use that as an equity vehicle. Yeah. That’s why 30. 30 years ago, there were 34,000 federal inmates. Now there’s like 234,000 federal inmates. 234,000 versus 34. Remember, in my day, again, you’re way too young, but my mother used to always say, stop making a federal offense out of this. And what that meant is a federal offense was huge. It was like, you know, John Dillinger, bank robbery in, like, nine states. Okay.

That’s a federal crime. You know, that’s a federal crime. Not filling out a form wrong. Or again, I was with a guy in prison. You know what he did? You know his crime was he bought a house. There was a bunch of paint in the garage. He has a boat, and he notices some of its marine paint. So he takes the marine paint, starts putting it on there. There’s an EPA guy who lives next door. EPA guy says, what are you doing painting in my boat? I got. I had. I found this painting, guys. Oh, you can’t use that painting.

That’s illegal. That was outlawed last year. Oh, I didn’t know that. You just. You just violated the law. That. That’s a felony. The guy. The guy. You can’t make this up. I know you’re committing crime, but it’s true. Knowing about it, you’re True. There’s old. There’s old crimes on the board. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Willful intent doesn’t matter. Matter. It doesn’t matter if you willfully violate the. Or if you violate it because you’re a. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if you’re just dumb and violate the law or you didn’t know the law existed. It doesn’t matter if you didn’t know the logs.

I didn’t know the law said I had. I couldn’t use this paint. I didn’t know. I didn’t read the manual. The laws. Nobody gave me. Like, here’s the rule book to live in America. Nobody gave me that. I didn’t re. I didn’t know I couldn’t use this. And I thought it was stupid. So how would I even even conclude that what person would say, here’s paint. You can’t use it because it’s against the law and it’s a felony. And if you do, you’re going to go to prison. Who would even think that? The guy was in prison next to me.

Really? That’s how he went to prison? Yeah. He went to prison because he used the wrong paint. Yeah, because he used a can of paint that the EPA outlawed because it had something that was bad for the frogs or something. What did he use it on? On. What’s that? What did he use that paint on? He was on the bottom of his boat. He was painting the bottom of his boat, but it had some dye in it that was bad for some frog that was on the endangered species list or something crazy. We almost need a list of all the people that have gone through worse things.

That’s why when you’re supposed to, you know, be thankful for how good your life is. Yeah. You look at stuff like that and go, okay, my life isn’t so bad. Okay, I’m gonna give. I’ll give you one. I’ll give you one little trick for everybody who’s listening that’ll help. Help their life in every way. It really will transform you. And it takes less than. Less than two minutes to do. Every day before you go to bed, say your prayers. And let me tell you how. Number one, get on your knees if you choose to, which is good, because it actually makes you feel submissive to the greater universal power, God, source, whatever you want to call it.

And then the first thing you do is. Is you do what we did when we were kids. God bless mommy and daddy. God. But so you start asking God or the universe or the force or source or whatever you want to say. You ask the higher intelligence to bless the people that you know, but also your enemies. Remember, Jesus said, God bless your enemies. It’s also in the Old Testament. It’s in the. It’s in the. The Quran as well. So, so just think of people and then ask the universe, bless them, make have good things happen in their life.

Make them happy. Take away their pain. Bless them, take away their pain so they stop inflicting pain on them. Exactly. Exactly right. You’re exactly right. That’s number one. And you’ll be you that’ll be transformative. When you think about my boss, God bless my boss, you start blessing people that are driving you crazy or that you don’t like or even hate, hate. You ask God to bless them, take away their pain. Have some compassion. You will change on the inside. But then the second thing you do is then do the second part of your prayers like we were taught when we were kids.

Then say, and God, thank you for the home that I live in. Thank you for the food that I have to eat. Thank you for my health. Thank you for my family, thank you for my car. Thank you. And start being grateful and appreciative for the things in your life. Life. When I was in prison, I used to do this. I would get on my knees in my cube and I would say, thank you for this warm, safe bed. Thank you for this pillow. I was grateful because I had a pillow. And most guys in prison, you don’t get a pillow.

Why don’t they get a pillow? Because it costs money for pillows. And I happen to have a pillow in my room. They have a plastic mattress. There’s a little bump at the top. That’s your pillow. I actually had a pillow pillow. I knew a guy in the laundry and he said, yeah, you can get a pillow. So I got a pillow. I had real sheets. And I said, I’m thankful for this. Thankful I’m thankful and grateful that I have a bottom bunk instead of a top bunk where I could fall off if I roll over, you know, and hurt myself like a couple other guys did.

So I’m thankful for the bottom bunk. I was thankful for all these things. Thankful for the friends that came to visit me, thankful for the people that wrote me letters. Thankful for the support I had for from hundreds of thousands of people around the world writing me letters. I used to get a mailbag full of mail every day from people all around the world saying, you know, we support you. We. I got your books. I love your books, Kevin, we support you. I mean, and there were guys who never got a single piece of mail for, for, for months on end.

Yeah. So I was so thankful for all these things. It changes you from the inside. It makes you humble and it really puts you, it really puts you in a different perspective of life. And I think life, life will become much better for you. What a great thing to say. Okay, where do people follow you? Kevin trudeau.com that’s the main website. You can go there. All my social media accounts are there. The YouTube show Limitless, the Kevin Trudeau show is there on Rumble and all the other platforms. But I would go to kevintrudeau.com K-E V I N T R U D Kevin trudeau.com check it out and if you punch in your contact details, I send you a bunch of free stuff.

Thank you, Kevin. What a wonderful conversation. Thanks. I enjoyed it so much. Thanks for having me on. Sa.
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