The Story the DOJ the FBI and the Media doesnt want you to Know w/ Christina Bobb

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Those cases were being challenged. And so we didn’t know who was going to come out the winner because there was still litigation ongoing about problems with the election. So if Donald Trump had actually won that litigation, he would have won, won that state. And so in order to comply with federal election law that requires the electors to meet on December 14, the Trump electors met on December 14 to create the Trump slate of electors that could be used in the event that Donald Trump actually was successful in his litigation and won. That’s, I mean, that’s simple, right? Yep.

It’s been done before. It happened in 1960 when John F. Kennedy originally lost Hawaii to Richard Nixon. He, he was challenging Hawaii, he created an alternate slate of electors. Ultimately, he was successful. And that alternate slate of electors was the one that was actually counted. So there’s historic precedent for it. They followed exactly what Kennedy did in 1960. And according to Arctic Frost, the stuff that came out from Arctic Frost and what the prosecutors are alleging now, the prosecutors are alleging that that was fraudulent and forgery. We’re all charged with nine felony counts of conspiracy to commit forgery.

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But she’s going to talk about the craziness that happened inside that raid. But we’re also going to talk about the law fair that’s going on in this country. You know, I talk about my channels back up on YouTube because they Google admitted in front of Congress that they were indeed coerced by the government. I don’t know if people remember we went to the ninth Circuit, we went all the way to the federal court and they denied any kind of government coercion. Now they’re coming out publicly and saying there was. So they lied to the courts and they, that’s how they shut down our case, by lying.

And now they’re admitting it. And they brought all the people who were wrongly taken down for political reasons against the First Amendment. They reinstated our, our channels. And so I’m happy my channel’s back, but I don’t want to be suppressed anymore. I don’t want to be hurt anymore. And just think of the damage that that caused. And so we’re going to talk about that’s real lawfare. That’s real damage to, I mean, it’s a trillion, multi trillion dollar corporation and a very, very powerful Justice Department or you know, the people, the Biden administration who told them and coerced them and take people like us down.

The most powerful people did that against people like me. I don’t have that kind of power. And so the utter bullying and harassment, you know, they accused of us of doing all these things, but the bullying and harassment that we just had to suffer through and average everyday people are dealing with. And she going to talk about what people are dealing with. I know it’s, you know, you hear about Trump and the Mar A Lago raid, but the real consequences are what it’s doing to this country. And we’re going to talk about some of the, some of the stuff that she’s seen and how incredible it is.

I was saying it’s one step away because they were intimidating her as, as a journalist and they Dominion had a $1.6 billion lawsuit against her. In other countries they kill journal. You know, journalists are snuffed out and that’s one step away from taking that extra step. I mean, they’re essentially snuffing us out by doing thing those fear tactics. The next thing is, you know, I, I don’t want to say it, but that’s the next stage and we are dangerously close to becoming a country like that when we allow these people in power to use to just lie and do whatever with the court system.

So this is beyond time for us to have these conversations. And if you are interested in getting that book, I will have the link below or again, you can go to Christina bob.com which is her website. Okay, so let’s get into this really good engaging conversation with Christina Bob. I think you’re really going to like her. She’s a, you can tell she’s just a good person. We need good people in this country. Okay, here is Christina Bob. Hi, Christina. Welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me. Sarah. I’m excited to be here. You have some pretty interesting inside personal experiences with our justice system that people have no idea just how crazy it’s become.

And you were a former Trump attorney. You worked on the elections, but you saw a lot of other things from the inside. You’re now with Judicial Watch, but our country’s moved to like post justice system fairness. Right. I mean, we’re a law fair company or a country where the system just doesn’t operate like it used to, if it ever did. I guess I, I think that’s true. I think what’s happening is people inside whatever administration it is certainly the Biden administration. This is very true. You know, there’s arguments about it in, in the Trump administration, although I think it’s significantly less.

They, they’re getting bolder and bolder with what they’re willing to use the Department of Justice for. And I think, you know, in decades past, people had a lot of, especially people that worked within the department had a lot of respect for what the department was. They wanted to be seen as impartial. I’m not saying it was impartial, but they at least tried, right? They tried to give that appearance. I think that’s out the window. I don’t think, at least during the Biden administration, I don’t think they were even trying to come across as Impart in the Trump administration.

I think, you know, people are arguing, saying that Donald Trump is going after Comey and these, these folks as retribution. I don’t necessarily agree with that, although, you know, anytime you have one party going after the other party, there’s cause for concern. I think all of these people belong in prison for what they did to our nation. But, but yeah, there’s, there’s a lot to break it, you know, to break it down. Well, if they’re not taking the Justice Department seriously and they’re using it as weaponizing it and going against the Constitution, I know that just a few weeks ago, three to four weeks ago in Congress, Google admitted to government coercion during, before the election, and all of our channels were taken down.

They reinstated all of us, but it’s been five years and they finally admitted to it. We went to court, we’re in the ninth Circuit, and, and Google said they acted alone and they weren’t acting alone. And it’s kind of like, at what point do they have to pay for the harm that they did to so many people? 100%. That’s exactly right. And what I think the mainstream media is missing when they’re talking about this is how much, not just the lawfare, but the actions taken by Google, taken by the Department of Justice, taken by formerly Twitter, you know, now X, is that they’re really significantly harming individual people.

That’s right. Not just a campaign, an issue with a campaign. This is not just an issue against a billion dollar company or a trillion dollar company. Yes, exactly. They, they are coming after everyday average Americans. And like all the arctic frost that’s come, all of that information that’s coming out recently, I was part of that. You know, I’m kind of in this weird middle place because I worked for Donald Trump. I had a little bit of a platform. You know, some people who were following Trump closely knew who I was and, you know, I was kind of wrapped up into that.

But really, in reality, you know, at least I felt more just like your everyday American. You know, I, I don’t have a long history in politics. I really kind of fell into it about the 2020 election. And so I, I feel like I was kind of in the gap between, you know, the everyday American who isn’t connected to the president versus, you know, being a presidential, you know, associate some sort. And so I kind of see it from both angles and they, they, the people that are abusing their power, whether it’s the Department of Justice, whether it’s Google, whether It’s these big companies that want a certain political agenda served.

They’re doing it at the expense of Americans. And, like, like I mentioned with Arctic Frost, a lot of the targets on that list, there were 400 names on that list. Some of them were organizations, some of them were elected officials. You know, GOP senators on all that. But a lot of them were just GOP volunteers, people who had volunteered to be electors. You know, explain what Arctic Frost is for the people who don’t know. Sure. So Arctic Frost was the FBI, DOJ’s, you know, that was their code name for the investigation into Donald Trump and his supporters following January 6, following the 2020 election.

And they came up with. And this is all coming out because Senator Grassley had issued a subpoena, and he released a lot of the information that DOJ turned over to him. And. And what the FBI and DOJ did shortly after the 2020 election was they created a hit list of people that they wanted to target and go after with no probable cause. It’s not like there was probable cause in these documents saying, hey, you know, it appears that Joe Schmo robbed a bank, and we have video surveillance of Joe Schmo robbing a bank. We should go after Joe Schmo.

Was the criteria simply they supported Trump and they had some. They had the ability to influence others to support them. Is that what it was? I mean, that’s a great way to. To summarize it. Yes, that’s what they did. But it’s not spelled out well in the documents. It’s literally a list of names. It’s just a list of people that they targeted. Now, some of them, they go into more detail. Like, you have the list, and then there’s other documents where they describe, you know, how they’re investigating these individuals and what they’re doing. But it wasn’t.

It wasn’t kind of like what you’re describing, where you find a crime and then you break down how, like, what kind of evidence we want from that crime. No, no, this was a literal. It was a hit. That’s the way I describe it. It’s a hit list. A lot of people on there who were just local volunteers of the Arizona gop, the Nevada gop, and those volunteers ended up becoming electors. Now, we’ve all heard about the alternate electors, you know, the left of us to call it the fake electors, all of that. There’s nothing fake about it.

All of them were lawfully appointed or elected by their party. But at the end of the day, these are Just very committed volunteers in their community that want to be part of the political process. And basically as a reward for being so involved in being such a great volunteer is they get appointed or elected to serve as an elector. It’s an honor. It’s an absolute honor as a presidential elector. And the DOJ tried to scuttle that. I mean, they tried to scare these people. They targeted all of these electors. I’m still a criminal defendant as we speak out in Arizona.

I was never an elector, but, you know, I was associated with. You were targeted because you were, you were trying to expose the election irregularities and stuff. So the thing is, is there has to be a healthy sense of, of responsibility and respect for what it is that you have. When you have this much power, when you’re the most powerful country in the world wielding the kind of resources they have, same with Google and Alphabet, when they are a multi trillion dollar company, when you have those kind of resources and you put your might behind going after somebody who is a single individual with zero resources, maybe making, you know, 100,000 a year without any kind of, you know, anything.

Yeah, that is so out of whack. The definition of tyranny and bullying. They’re bullying people and it’s extreme. It’s abuse. It’s abuse and it’s tragic. I mean, I have friends that have lost their homes. I know people whose relationships have deteriorated, deteriorated because the stress of all of it was just so tragic. I am so fortunate that at least, particularly for the criminal case, I had enough of a platform where people could see me and they could see what was going on. And I had a donor step in to help me with my criminal defense case, which is amazing.

There are gods and I would have lost everything. I would have lost my home. I would have. I would have lost everything. And so I’m, I’m really grateful that they stepped in, but a lot of people didn’t have that. A lot of people don’t have that. And the cases are still ongoing. These cases are still open. And you know, the media can wag their finger at the folks that were involved in Arctic Frost as much as they want, but until you point out the fact that they are hurting real everyday Americans and these people are still being hurt by it.

You know, it’s great that you put the stories out there, but it’s not doing anything well. And it, you know, I listen to multiple different things because I want to understand how they think. So I’ve been spending some time listening to npr and it makes me angry Sometimes, because I know the backstory on some of these things, but they just say it as if it’s fact that these people were criminals. And that’s evil in and of itself. Evil, I know, is a word that’s been overused, but that’s almost criminal and irresponsible. And they act like they care so much about people, but it’s the opposite of caring.

And I wish the people would understand how their lack of caring and the hypocrisy of what they’re saying and doing. And it’s so important. But that’s why freedom of speech is so important, so people can see just really what these people are doing. Yeah, no, you’re exactly right. And I’m so grateful that you’re starting the show with this because so many people, you know, want to start with the Mar a Lago raid or start with some of the other more sensational stuff. But in my opinion, and this is what I told the publisher as well, I think this is the most important aspect of the story because it’s affecting everyday Americans.

The political class is going to do what the political class does. And unless Americans are given the information and given the freedom to actually challenge what the political class is doing, you know, their power goes unchecked. And you’re exactly right, it absolutely is criminal. It’s not just npr, you know, lying to the public to sway opinion. They lie to the grand jury. I mean, they told. They told the grand jury that I went to Arizona to hand out ballots and to participate in all of this, and they had zero evidence to support. NPR did that? No, no, no, I’m sorry.

The prosecutors did that? Yeah, sorry. Just comparing. But no, the prosecutors, the grand jury that I went to Arizona and was handing out ballots, which I didn’t, in and of itself, I don’t see how that’s illegal anyway. But. But I didn’t. But I wasn’t that fraud on the court. I mean, at what point can they. They just lie to the court and make stuff up to create a story and it doesn’t. They don’t have to pay for the price. Well, that’s the problem. The courts are allowing them to do it. Right? The courts are. So my case was filed in April 2024, so it’s been about a year and a half that it’s been open and we have.

Arizona is one of. I think it’s the only state in the country that has an anti slap statute for criminal cases. Meaning you can bring a. Basically ask the court to dismiss the case because the prosecution was brought for unconstitutional purposes. And so in our case, we all filed an anti slap motion saying, hey, this case needs to be thrown out because it was brought for political purposes, which is a violation of our constitutional rights. And the court agreed with us, granted the first half of the motion. The second half of the motion, it then shifts to the prosecutors to prove that they did not bring it for political purposes, which is a very, very high bar to prove.

The law lays out specific things that they have to prove in order to meet that. And there’s not a chance and you know where that the Arizona prosecutors would be able to prove that. So the court has just never held the second half of the hearing for a year and a half. It’s just lingering open. And so meanwhile, all these people are struggling and suffering and they’re going through these emotional things because it’s never ending. At what point, I mean, how do we, how do we clean this up when the justice system is so broken? What are our avenues to be able to, you know, people keep talking about common law, just throw out the whole system.

But I mean, is it fixable? And what are our avenues to actually get around this lawfare that is so bad that the courts are ignoring the laws and implementing. They’re just not doing their duty. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, people ask me all the time, like, how do we fix the system? The system is fine. I think the system actually works. The problem is you have people in very powerful places that are abusing it and that are allowing things to happen that should not be happening. And I’m specifically talking about judges right now. I mean, you have all of these judges.

I mean, look at here in Washington, D.C. where President Trump has many cases pending because these judges are allowing activists to muddy the courts, muddy up President, President Trump’s agenda. You know, they’re trying to throw sand in the gears and the courts are allowing it. And so ideally, I would love. This is not in the realm of possibility at the moment, but I would love to see one or two judges impeached and just say, hey, look, we do have checks and balances in this country, and if you are abuse your position on the bench, you’re going to get impeached.

And the reason I say it’s not in the realm of possibility at the moment is because even if the House, even if the House impeached a judge, you need two thirds of the Senate to convict, and we can’t even get a continuing resolution passed out of the Senate. You know, there’s no way you’re going to get that out of, out of the Senate. Well, it’s kind of like, and I know I like to use sports analogy because I coach sports and played sports my whole life, and in sports is so trivial compared to this. This is real life consequences.

But if you, if you have a referee who’s just decided they’re not going to follow the rule, they’re just going to make up their own rules and do their own thing, then the game is complete crap. Right. Yeah. And the way to rectify that is that referee gets fired, never gets hired again. Yeah, right. You’re exactly right. The game is okay. But if you got a ref that’s not implementing it, then it doesn’t. You might as well not even play the game. Right. That’s the perfect analogy. Yeah. And that’s why people are like, well, I don’t even want to use a system if they’re not going to follow the rules of the system.

Yeah, that’s, that’s 100. Right. That’s a very good analogy. The system itself is not broken. It’s the people that are in positions of power. We are seeing the Supreme Court finally kind of push back on that a little bit. President Trump has had a lot of wins in the Supreme Court, which is, I mean, that’s good, right, that it’s stopping the chaos, but there’s so much chaos at the lower level. And so, you know, Justice Robert, Chief Justice Roberts, I, I don’t see him as, you know, a bulwark of justice, but, but he’s the Chief justice and he’s the one that needs to be sending the message to the lower courts, hey, rein in your political activity, meaning your political decisions.

You know, you’re not gonna, you’re not gonna like what’s coming down. But, you know, short, short of the Chief justice taking a stand saying, hey, lower courts, do your job correctly, actually follow the law, or short of whole Congress impeaching a judge or passing legislation, they can pass legislation limiting the role of the lower courts because the lower courts are not constitutional. It’s the Supreme Court that’s constitutional. The lower courts follow from statute, so they, they could legislate. But if you don’t have a court that’s going to do its job and you don’t have Congress that’s going to do its job, it’s going to make it really hard for the president to do his job because the other two branches are not, they’re not providing the checks and balances that they’re designed to, to create.

Well, and that’s the problem with the court system. We’re all stuck with it. So like in a business, if you order a wedding cake and they just make whatever they want, you want it to be pink and they keep giving black or whatever color, you know, I mean they just do whatever people wouldn’t buy from them. But when it comes to a court system, you have to use the flipping court system. And if it doesn’t get fixed and people don’t have any other recourse other than, I mean, what is our recourse? If the system. And it’s not.

You say it’s not broken, maybe it’s another. It’s. What’s the right word for it? If they’re not actually following the constitution, then where’s the point? It’s almost like these judges. If there’s a pattern of not following the law themselves, then that should be an automatic dismissal, an automatic impeachment. Just a quick break from the program. I need to share with you an urgent manner that about scam gold IRAs and the important need to make sure that you’re working with a trusted company in the precious metals space. I have had hundreds of people come to me now where they have lost 50, 60, 70% of their life savings in these scam gold IRAs.

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Well, that’s why your show is so important and shows like yours that are actually talking about this because some like my judge is elected, right, you vote a lot of times off cycle elections. But a lot of these judges are elected at the state level or at the local level. And so people need to be aware of like who are these judges? How do we get them out? You know, in, in replacement at the state level, you can replace the judges. It’s a little bit harder at the federal level because they can’t be replaced unless they’re impeached.

But I, to me the, the solution is exposing all of these people. It’s hard work. It’s a lot. It’s grunt work, doing what you’re doing, you know, pulling the information out and trying to expose it to the people, I. E. The voters that have the ability to replace these people. But we need better people in these positions. I mean, that’s it. Just bottom line, I went through it, I suffered from it, you know, with the. And watched and personally had to deal with the fact of what it was like. So I got to learn firsthand like you.

There’s nothing like learning firsthand going, wow, this is actually happening and this can happen to any one of us and it’s really harming us. But can you, I mean, you’re an attorney with Judicial Watch. What are the kinds of things that are happening? I mean, people are like, well, what are you talking about? Why is it so bad? Talk about some of the, the patterns of behavior that you’re seeing. Yeah. People get an idea of just how extreme some of this behavior is. Yeah. So in my case, and I’ve got a lot of examples from my case, but it’s all over the place.

But in my case, you know, we had filed that anti slot motion and the. We were required to file it within 45 days of the indictment, meaning we had to file it in June of 2024, which we did. And the reason why you have such a short timeline is because the motion is designed to get rid of the case quickly. Because if your constitutional rights are being violated, we. We want you to get out of that quickly. Right. And so we filed it right away. Like I said, it’s still lingering. The court has not even held the second half of the hearing yet.

But the original judge who, who heard the original hearing, he was the one that sat on it. The hearing, I want to say, was in July or August, some sometime, and then he sat on it for months and months and months and we couldn’t hear anything. We’re like, what is going on with this judge? Why. Why aren’t we getting a ruling on our motion? Well, talk about, hold on before you give us like a, at least a brief description on why you’re even in court so that people who don’t know understand. Sure. So I’m a criminal defendant with the alternate electors in Arizona and they were trying to say that the activity of the alternate electors, the Trump electors in Arizona was illegal.

It is not what they were doing. The law requires the electors to vote on December 14th. Like that date is written in statute. Well, on December 14th of 2020, in my case, Arizona and This is true for all the other states. Those cases were being challenged. And so we didn’t know who was going to come out the winner because there was still litigation ongoing about problems with the election. So if Donald Trump had actually won that litigation, he would have won that state. And so in order to comply with federal election law that requires the electors to meet on December 14th.

The Trump electors met on December 14th to create the Trump slate of electors that could be used in the event that Donald Trump actually was successful in his litigation and won. That’s. I mean, that’s simple, right? Yep. It’s been done before. It happened in 1960, when John F. Kennedy originally lost Hawaii to Richard Nixon. He. He was challenging Hawaii. He created an alternate slate of electors. Ultimately, he was successful. And that alternate slate of electors was the one that was actually counted. So there’s historic precedent for it. They followed exactly what Kennedy did in 1960. And according to Arctic Frost, the stuff that came out from Arctic Frost and what the prosecutors are alleging now, the prosecutors are alleging that that was fraudulent and forgery.

We’re all charged with nine felony counts of conspiracy to commit forgery. Wow. But it’s just made up to try to scare you into not doing it. And they know that. They just want to create fear. And that’s where not only should they not be allowed to do this, but the punishment for using their power to create fear in others who have a lot less power should be a higher crime like they should have because. Because they’re using their power position to harm others. Yes, that’s exactly right. That. That’s what they’re doing. So we filed our anti slap and said, hey, look, this is.

There’s nothing even close to being unlawful about any of this. It’s clearly being brought for political purposes. This case needs to be thrown out. The judge ruled in favor on. On the first half. He ruled in favor of us and then sat on it. I’m sorry, the first judge did not rule in our favor. He didn’t rule at all. He didn’t rule. We. The hearing was in August. Why I’m about to say. So the election is in November, right? November 5th of this year, I think. And then on November 7th, a local reporter in Arizona judge still has not ruled on it.

He wanted to get through the election because he was trying to create all this turmoil for conservatives. Then on November 7, the local reporter in Arizona got a hold of the judge’s emails, and the judge had emailed the entire bench in Maricopa county, as well as the county commissioners saying Trump supporters are no better than Nazis. They needed to be treated like Nazis. We have to get Kamala Harris across the finish line. We got to support her. We got to support all these DEI policies. Basically, he sends out an email telling all the court to. To like, stomp on Trump supporters.

This is my judge. He’s supposed to give me a fair and impartial trial. And he emails the whole bench to say I’m a Nazi. And while he’s behaving like. While he’s behaving like this. Exactly. There’s no introspection on their own behavior. That is. Well, that I think you raise a good point. Like, I think for so long, the Democrat Party has. Has kind of held the position of if you’re a good person and you’re loving and you’re kind and you care about people and you, you know, you just want world peace and you just love everybody, well, then you’re a Democrat and you’re morally superior to people who don’t want what you want.

Yes. If you’re loving and kind and you’re morally superior, you can be as evil and hatred filled. Yes. And that’s been the best as you can for decades. Like, I’m loving and kind, so I’m going to be mean and not kind because I’m loving and kind of. It’s like, what? No, I had someone tell me this is totally off topic, but kind of funny and exactly what you’re saying. There was an event locally here that I had been invited to and by Democrats, like, very liberal Democrats. It was not a political event, just a local party.

They didn’t know my background. They didn’t know who I was. They didn’t know I’d worked for President Trump or anything. And they found out a couple days before the event that I was conservative. And they told me, they said, how dare you? No, I know. And I was gonna go. I was like, yeah, great. I’d love to hang out with you guys. You know, I. I know that I live in Washington, D.C. right? Everybody’s liberal. I know everybody’s liberal, but I still want to socialize with for sure. Why? Yeah, why not? Yeah. And so I, I go, yeah, sure, yeah, I’d love to come.

That’d be great. And a few days before the event, they were like, oh, we just found out you’re conservative. And. Oh, yeah, this was not a political event. It was like a party. Right. And they, they just found out a conservative. And I go, yeah. I go. But I go, does that bother you? And. And they go, no, no, no, no, no, it doesn’t bother us. And I go, okay. I go, I have. I go, I assumed all of you are liberal. I knew you were liberal, but I don’t care. Like, I’m capable of hanging out with liberals.

And they go, yeah, you know, we love everybody. We’re very inclusive. Very, very inclusive. We think it’d be a good idea. They asked me to not come. Oh, my God. Yeah. That’s what everybody’s experiencing. Right. But you know what I mean, the people like Nick Fuentes and they’re making everybody to be out like that. That’s what they. I’m. I am more on the right only because I like small government and freedom and all that, and I don’t buy into some of that other. So I don’t. I don’t think social issues are the only reasons why you want small.

I mean, I don’t think social issue. To me, I know everybody has different opinions. My reasons for being in this is. Is the. How the justice system operates, how the financial system operates, how big the government is. You know, all these things that I think are more or there are very important. And we’ve gotten to the point where only the social issues matter. It’s like, come on, that’s stupid. Well, I think they’re just. They’re just trying to divide us because they realize that there’s more of us, meaning everyday Americans, there’s more of us than the political class.

And so they’re trying to divide us by, are you a male? Are you a female? Are you. Are you a female who used to be a male or a male who used to be a female or like. And so they’re just trying to break us up into smaller groups. I agree. So that we can’t actually unify, to vote out the people who belong out of office, you know, because you would probably have more in common with those liberals who kicked you out of the party because you’re just the devil incarnate for. Right. You know, I forgot to tell them.

Yeah. Well, no, but you. You probably. If we would just sit down, we’d realize on a personal level, we probably have a lot more in common. And we weren’t gonna talk politics. I wasn’t gonna sit there and talk politics at a party that I know nobody agrees with me on. But I think. I don’t know. I don’t know what they thought. They just. I think that’s too bad. I think they just genuinely hate people who think differently than them. You know, the people that hold the, Put the signs out in front and they’re all over D.C.

the signs in their front yard that say hate has no place here. Those people, they really hate people. You know what? I was, I was in China with somebody who’s. I went and did this delegation and a group of them were communist people. I wasn’t, I was, you know, I mean, you’re in China. Yeah. No, but yeah, we went there. I went there with Cynthia McKinney and she kind of led this coalition and we were. A lot of the people were also libertarian leaning or just freedom independent minded people too. And I wanted to go there with my daughter because she was getting.

She has a degree in Chinese and computer science. And so she, I wanted her to go there and experience it. And I got to be friends with Cynthia McKinney. And so I’m there and there were some communist people. I’m like, wow, I do not get this. This is the extreme. But we got to sit and talk to these people. And one of them, and I kid you not, in the nightly conversations, he did a presentation and he believed that the bourgeoisie. How do you pronounce it? The wealthy class, entrepreneurial class, they need to be eliminated so that they could bring in this communist.

They basically think they need to take out, murder and slaughter a whole bunch of people in order to bring in this loving utopia. Right. You know what I mean? It’s like, how does that work? I mean, literally we had to have some conversations, me and my kids, because they were like, mom, I can’t. It was jaw dropping to sit through and listen to this. But some of these internal. And you would never hear it publicly. They never talk about that publicly. But in behind closed doors, they were willing to talk about it. Yeah, no, it’s really wild.

It’s a, it’s like a weird mental distortion of like in order to be loving and kind and, you know, this peaceful utopia, we have to kill everybody. Everybody thinks differently than us. We have to be a mass murderer so that we can be this loving, peaceful person. Yeah, no, it’s really, really bizarre. Yeah, I know. It was. Okay, enough of that. So you’ve been seeing so many other things, but you were also deeply connected to the Mar A Lago race. Yes. And saw that firsthand. I mean, a lot of people just saw it and they, you know, it just this.

Oh, it’s just a political politics. But it was way more than that, wasn’t it? It. Oh, for sure. And I, I just have a book out about it. It’s called Defiant Inside the Mar A Lago raid and the left’s ongoing lawfare. President Trump did the forward for it. So I’m really excited about it. I love everybody to get it. And I’ve got text messages and emails and all of that. I was the custodian of record for Mar A Lago at the time. I was the staff attorney and asked to, to, to join this case as a, basically as a witness to be the custodian of record.

And so I was one of two people, two attorneys that, that met with the Department of Justice and the FBI at Mar A Lago about two months prior to, to respond to this grand jury subpoena. We met with them. Everything you saw in the press is completely wrong. The left press is just. They’re flat out lying about what happened with all of that. We were incredibly cooperative. President Trump came to the meeting for a few, you know, he popped in and popped out briefly, but he, he made it a point to meet with them himself and say, you can see whatever you want if you want to see.

You know, if you want a tour of Mar A Lago, we’ll give you a tour of Mar A La. Whatever you want. We’ll show you. We’ll show you whatever we want. Whatever you want. And they asked to see the storage room. We took them down to the storage room and let them look through the storage room and see, you know, see where it is. We turned over some documents that we believed were responsive to the subpoena, the subpoena that they never should have had in the first place, and they never should have gotten a warrant to raid Mar A Lago.

There was no probable cause. There was absolutely no probable cause of any criminal activity. But they somehow. I say somehow, as if it’s a surprise that a Washington D.C. grand jury. Oh, I’m sorry, that was the other thing that I think the media has not reported. Well, the whole case about Mar A Lago was in. Was here in Washington, D.C. the subpoena to look and see what President Trump had that came out of Washington, D.C. this was a grand jury in Washington, D.C. that they created. And the media doesn’t report on that because the case was actually brought in Florida.

And the reason they had to bring the case of, no, they didn’t want to prosecute Donald Trump of Florida. They wanted to prosecute Donald Trump here in D.C. because they could get a conviction here. There’s not a chance. And you know where that they’re going to get any conviction out of Florida. But the reason they had to switch the grand jury down to Florida was because they could not get an indictment in Washington, D.C. they did not have any evidence of a crime that would suffice in Washington, D.C. so they had to move it to Florida and create a stupid obstruction of justice charge.

I mean, 34 of them or 39 of them, whatever it is. Obstruction of justice. Yeah. Basically saying, hey, you tried to interfere with our investigation. They forgot to mention that the investigation never should have been opened in the first place. But the whole thing, if Jack Smith. Okay, look, okay, hold on a second. What possibly could have been an interference? You guys were all saying, well, how they, like, cooperate with you. They lied. They just made it up. The point where is. But why not make stuff up if there’s never consequences? Right. Well, well, and that goes back to what we said originally, Right.

Is that the Department of Justice is getting braver and braver and braver with how extreme they’re willing to be using that department to their own devices. And every time something like this happens, there are no consequences. And so they just keep getting bolder and bolder. And that’s. That’s the concern is, okay, so now they’ve raided Mar A Lago. What’s worse than that, you know, what are they going to do after that? Start creating gulags, you know, for everybody. I mean, create fear in you a little bit. To watch people abuse their power to such an extreme.

I mean. Oh, a lot. I thought I was going to prison. Both, Both with the Mar A Lago case, because I was the one that signed for all the documents. Right. I was the one that was signing my name to the. You were like the person there. You’re like, holy. I’m literally dealing with. Yeah. With these people that are deranged. Yes. Yeah. And they. Thankfully, I kept very good records. I kept very good emails. I kept all my text messages. I had everything, you know, straight and narrow, which you can see in the book. So they, they didn’t indict me because I had recorded everything that I had done and why I had done it.

And they tried in the press, they tried to make it look like I had intentionally tried to deceive the Department of Justice. That was never true. They know it was never true. I’ve got the emails to show it. And I told them to their face when we met, exactly what was happening. And when they interrogated me on it, I said that to them. I said, I was honest with you. I told you to your face what happened. And they were like, yeah, like, they acknowledged it. And so they just wanted to smear me in the press to lead the American people to believe that we were hiding something from them or that we were deceiving them.

And none of that was ever true. So where is it at now? I mean, is this. Obviously Trump being president, he knows all this stuff. He watched all this stuff. That’s why he’s raging about them, because he’s like, it’s all fake. It is all fake. It was all fake. And now they’re walking this law fair tightrope of wanting to do what’s right and clean this up. But while you’re cleaning this up, they’re making you. They’re trying to smear you as a tyrant while they were the ones acting like, you know. And so there’s this balancing act of not being a tyrant, but actually cleaning things up, because it’s important for the American people and for this country.

100. I think it’s great that Lindsay Halligan has indicted both Comey and Letitia James. I think Brennan’s probably next. Bolton was indicted, I think, in Maryland. So all of these people belong in prison. They need to understand that you cannot abuse your power, you cannot abuse your authority and get away with it. How about, like, Victoria Nuland? Who would. I mean, did she do anything that. Because, I mean, she’d go into a country, next thing you know, there’s a flipping civil war. There was memes about her. Watch out for this woman. She comes, your country is ready to have a civil war.

That’s scary. Yeah. No, I mean, I think all of that’s fair game. I. I think the department, in my opinion, the Department of Justice being way too conservative right now, you know, they’re conservative. I think more people. More people need to be, at the very least, investigated. And I’m not, you know, I. I have been prosecuted. I’ve been targeted by my government. I’m not a fan of the government doing it. I don’t like it. The problem that we have is there’s only two ways for America to navigate this, for America to get out of this crazy lawfare cycle.

The first way is that the people who started the process and the people who started the abuse can acknowledge their faults and say, you know what? We went way too far. It’s not going to happen. That’s the problem. Right? I mean, that’s the easiest way. That’s the easiest way for America. If everybody just says, okay, we’ve gone too far, let’s everybody stop doing this. But to your point, one, it’s not going to happen too. It hasn’t happened. They haven’t done that. They’ve never acknowledged that they did anything wrong. They’ve never even pretended to say, you know, we should back up a little bit.

So then the only other way to do it is through prosecution. So, okay, well, if you’re not going to agree to set your arms down and agree to not prosecute us all in the future, the only other option is to then prosecute you. And that, that’s the game DOJ is playing right now. And put together, maybe Congress put together some things on standards that if you violate these standards, it doesn’t matter. They already exist. Those standards already exist. So it’s your obligation. Here’s the deal. It’s the obligation if someone didn’t say push back and say this is political interference or no, but you actually broke the law.

It’s not like, you know, so many other things, the lawfare stuff where they make stuff up. If it’s, if they really did and it’s undermining the entire system. You have to do this because that’s your duty in office to clean this up. Just a short break from the program to share with you an amazing peptide to help you lose weight. It’s stronger than Ozempic and why it’s because it not only reduces your appetite, but it also burns fat. These other GLP1s on the market, they do not burn fat, they just reduce your appetite. This one retatrutide is stronger.

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Go to sarah wessel.com under shop or use the link below and remember to use coupon code Sarah 100%. And the difference between Lawfare and True justice is the focus on the outcome of the case. In True justice, the outcome of the case matters. You, you know, if you’re prosecuting someone for committing a crime, you’re punishing them, you’re deterring, you know, future, future crime. The outcome matters for justice. With all of this Lawfare, the outcome doesn’t matter. What they want out of it is they want to take Donald Trump off the campaign trail. They want to drain his resources, they want to defame him.

They want to give the media talking points to tell the public why they shouldn’t be voting for him. They want to scare other conservatives out of supporting him. The goal of the Lawfare is anything other than the outcome of the case. And unfortunately, we’re just seeing a lot of that. When is it that the people say, you know what this is? The. The politics isn’t so important and winning isn’t so important that we’re willing to trade the future of this country just so we can win at a political game? Are people capable of being mature enough to get to that point? I think the American people are there.

I mean, we might be on different sides of it, but I think for the most part, we’re there. I. Even on the left, I don’t think the majority of the left, I agree with you on that, is constant. Like, they don’t like it either. It’s just, you know, the radicals, whatever, you’re always gonna have radicals. The problem is, I don’t think the people in power have gotten there because it’s never affected them. Right. And that’s always the problem is once you get into power, it doesn’t touch you. And so you’re now, you know, inoculated from it.

And until, and I hate to say I love Pam Bondi, but until Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche and Stanley Woodward, until they care about the little people, you know, I, I don’t know, people will suffer until. Until they care about them. But that’s why power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely because you’re so distant from what it is that you’re actually implementing. And the republic, a representative republic, is supposed to represent the people at the lowest possible place so that you get away from that. And now we’ve got to the point where they’re so disconnected from the People.

But then the people have no other. They can’t resort. Resort to anything. They’re. It’s almost like they’re trying to fuel a revolution almost. Because, you know, the, the media. Because people don’t have any recourse. Yeah, well, the common ground that we all have now is. We don’t have recourse. Right. Is. Is. That’s right. We’re all being oppressed by a government. And so I think that’s why they’re working really hard to divide us. They’re working hard to sow hate and discontent. You know, I, I think that’s. That’s what they’re doing. I don’t think it’s. The majority of Americans, even on the left, I don’t think the majority of Americans on the left want to hate everybody, you know, want to.

Want to hate the right. I think everybody just wants peace and quiet and wants to get on. I think everybody wants to, you know, run their business, do their job, focus on their career, focus on their family, raise a family, go to church, do whatever. They don’t want to be paying attention to the government, but they have to, because the government is so horribly impacting everybody’s lives right now. It is. Yeah. Well. And we have this economic reset that’s lingering, or actually maybe it’s already in place that’s fundamentally affecting people. We have inflation. People aren’t able to actually pay their mortgage, eat, get jobs.

I mean, yeah, people are. Are struggling. Yeah, no, I, I think they are. And I think there’s an element of, wait, we fought so hard for President Trump. Why isn’t it better? And unfortunately, it’s not. And I would go further than that and say I don’t think it’s entirely President Trump or his administration. I think the biggest obstacle President Trump has to his agenda is Republicans. I don’t think it’s Democrats. I mean, you have a Republican House, you have a Republican Senate, you have a Republican Supreme Court, you have a majority of governors in the U.

S. Are Republican, a majority of attorney generals in the United States are. Are Republican. And yet Republicans are blaming Democrats. Republicans are the problem. So how do we get past that? Because that was the issue of his first presidency. Now it’s the same thing. Why? Well, are they the problem when they have the power right now? Because they only have it for two years, they’re going to get voted out? Well, well, they. I don’t think. I think most of them think they won’t get voted because, I mean, to have the majority, the majority usually flip oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I think that’s right. Unfortunately, Republicans are so conservative. They’ve learned that if I do nothing, doing nothing is better than doing something and getting, you know, bad press, getting targeted for primary, whatever in the left right now is so crazy. The left, like the things that the left wants to do is so bananas and so extreme that all Republicans have to do is go, well we’re better than that. And people are like, yeah, okay and they’re voting Republican, you don’t have a choice. I mean when, I know like an art when they want to take young people and, and do the castrate them without.

Yeah. Without parent, like in my state, they, they’re sanctuaries. So parents can lose their parental rights if they don’t allow their 16 year old to get some kind of surgery without. I mean they used to go through these strict multi year process and be really responsible to make sure that this is really what the person wants. Right? Yeah. And then 99% plus were happy with it. Now they don’t do anything. I mean there’s none of that. They do nothing. They do nothing. And that, and that somehow is, is okay. I mean we’ve completely lost our minds.

No, they, they care more about keeping their seat than they do serving the people who elected them. I mean, I would love to be wrong on that. I don’t, I don’t know any other explanation as to why Republicans consistently get nothing done. And it’s because they don’t want to do anything. Because it’s one, it’s easier. Doing nothing is easier than doing something. And two, they don’t want to do anything that could cause them to get challenged in an election and then they can sit in their seats and go, look it, we’re not as crazy as those guys.

Well, they can roll up their sleeves and they could talk a big talk and then. Yeah, yeah, I mean that’s, that’s what we’re seeing. Please tell me how I’m wrong and please tell me, you know, another way to fix this. But I think until we, we primary Republicans that are doing nothing, this is what we’re going to get. But are we ever going to get out of this cycle if that’s what they always do? Nothing. It’s going to break. I mean something has to break. It can’t. This is unsustainable. So yeah, something’s going to break. And I do think Republicans are in for a reckoning because I think I am the Republican base.

Right. Like I, I am maga, I worked for President Trump, Like, I worked, I worked at the rnc. I was senior election counsel at the rnc. Like, I, I am the Republican base, and I’m looking at the Republican Party going, you guys need to fix something or America will come for you next. They’ve already come for the Democrats. Right. They already spanked the Democrats in 2024. I think Republicans are in for a rude awakening if they don’t start to actually serve the people who elected them. Well, I think that Trump is being put into that, that box.

He’s it. Yeah. It’s like to the, to the average person, it looks like this was what he always meant to do. He was a big. You know, politicians, they never trust politicians. So now it looks like he just came in, he was playing a big game, and he never meant to do any of the things he said he was going to do anyways. That’s how the, the media or that’s how the operation is. And whose fault is that? That it’s Republicans? Because they’re not doing what? They’re not fulfilling his agenda. They’re just not. I can’t. I can imagine it’d be very frustrating, but that’s how they’re spinning him.

Yeah. And the Republicans are letting him do it. Letting it happen. Yep. And. And they, they are squandering their ability to do anything right now. And if people start questioning, then are they blackmailed? Do they care? Are they really? Well, I think those are great questions. Yeah. I mean, who knows? All we know is they’re not doing anything. And it’s weird. You look at our government right now, and it looks weird. Like, that’s right. Why aren’t you doing anything? Why is Congress out? Why. Why is the House out? The House has already passed. The House has already passed the cr.

Why is the Senate not passing the CR And CR Tell people what the CR is so they understand the continuing resolution to open the government. Because we’ve got. Because, I mean, the government shut down. Senate’s refusing to fund it. Why? Like, why? Well, and the other thing is this, this is getting to the point where it’s the longest the government’s ever been shut down. And people are saying. And a lot of people are like, well, it’s great the government shut down, but there’s a point where it starts to not be great. Right. Where it gets dangerous.

It gets really dangerous. And if you aren’t funding certain operations, it’s, it’s, it starts. It can really hurt the country. Yeah. Well, look at the airports right now, right before Thanksgiving. We’re having all of these airports shut down because TSA agents are walking off the job because they’re not being paid. And then you can’t get on your flight. I mean, you can look up Houston, Atlanta. I mean, we’re seeing it all over the place where people just can’t get their flights because airport operations is shutting down because the federal aspect of it’s not funded. But it makes it look like the Republicans are at fault because.

And you’re saying they probably are because they’re the ones that have the majority, so. Well, the Republicans have passed it. The Republicans are the ones voting for it. So I think even like CNN and maybe a little bit msnbc, at least CNN is acknowledging, hey, the Democrats are the ones that are keeping the government shut down. They’re the ones voting no to not fund the government. Every Republican has been voting to fund the government. So it’s like, so it’s. Is it becoming obvious to the average person? Because when I listen to my npr, I promise you guys, I’m doing it because I want to understand from their perspective, even though they’re not it to their people, they think it’s the Republicans.

Well, that’s probably true. I’m sure they’re lying to their audience. Of course they are. That’s why I’m saying it’s hard for them. It is a feat of mental gymnastics to blame Republicans for this. Yes, The Democrats are the ones voting. No, Every single Republican is voting. Yes. So are they. The theory is that they are trying to create riots and civil unrest. That the Republicans are. The Democrats are. Oh, very possible. Very, very possible. Yeah, because Democrats, I mean, they thrive in chaos. Right. They’re like. They manufacture a crisis and then they solve it. Right. So I wouldn’t be surprised, but I think people are sick of the riots.

Sick of it. Do you think? But people. Will they. I mean, can they instigate that? Because it seems the pattern is such. You know, it’s the. When people don’t have food, they drop their fear, you know, and so is it possible that the food stamps. I think they carved out an exception where they’re going to allow people make sure that people get their food. Food. They were talking about it. I. I don’t think that was approved. I’d have to check recently. Well, the problem. The problem. And I actually agree with not passing that just because it alleviates the pain of opening the government.

Right. Like. Like just you either fund the government or you don’t. And Republicans want to fund it. Republicans are voting to have The SNAP benefits and all that. And if you just pick and choose the little pieces that can be funded, then there’s no. There’s no reason to reopen the government. You know, and it does beg the question that it’s like, if we can function without all of this government activity, why. Why are we funding that activity anyway? That’s right. I think there’s. There’s certain amount of that, and then there’s a certain amount of underlying things that are really suffering that you’re going to have to.

It’s. It’s. It’s. There are infrastructure that needs to be funded. Otherwise, things. It’s. That’s a conservative principle, too. You have to fund the things that keep a healthy system going. We need to be funding, whether it’s TSA or some functioning security within the airports. There’s basic law enforcement functions, obviously the military, but, yeah, Democrats are the ones voting no. Oh, gosh. Okay. Well, what are people. What are insiders saying since you get to talk to them? What. And what is the Judicial Watch? What are people saying? What are they fearful of behind closed doors as to where things are going or are they not? I mean, are they so disconnected? They’re not.

Or are they? Well, I think Republicans want the government open. So, like, anybody that I talked to is like, yeah, we’re. We’re trying to open it. Like, we’re voting yes. Yes every day to reopen the government, and Democrats are voting no. I don’t know what the Democrat end game is. I don’t know what they. They think they get out of it. What they say they want out of it is they want, you know, millions of dollars of funding for LGBTQ stuff in Nigeria and dance lessons in, you know, Laos. Like, really weird. Are they really adding all that stuff to the thing? And they say those are all condition there? Yeah, those are all conditions.

Those are all conditions of the cr. Yes. Just the continuing resolution. We’re not talking about negotiating the budget. We’re just talking about the continuing resolution. Dance lessons in another country is seriously one of the conditions. Yeah. And they’re not willing. Even when they said, can we at least move this? They. They won’t do it. No, they won’t do it. And they want. But is that a cover for an opera CIA operation or something? Probably name it that because it doesn’t make sense. Sense. Okay. Right. Probably. And then they want medical care for all illegal aliens and they want food, like, free food and medical care for all illegal aliens, which is weird because we don’t give that to American citizens.

But anyway that’s what they want. And then they say they want to extend some of the Obamacare like programs are set to end I think at the end of this year and they want those extended. And so the Republicans position is, has been that’s all stuff that needs to be negotiated in the budget right now. We just want to either and Republican they say, oh, Republicans aren’t conceding. Republicans have conceded by keeping the Biden era financial policies going because when they, when Republicans vote yes to keep the government open, they’re voting for Biden’s budget. Like this was all stuff from the previous administration.

It’s stuff that Republicans don’t want but they’re conceding it to keep the government open. And Democrats are saying no, we want more, we want more. Democrats are always going to win if the Republicans are weak, if they’re afraid to do something and the Democrats know it, they smell weakness. Yeah. They’re going to take advantage of it every time. And this is what’s happening. So that’s the thing. I think Republic, as long as Republicans don’t cave. If Republicans cave and give them anything and, and open the government, they will end up owning this whole thing. So I think Republicans just need to stay strong and say no, it’s a clean, it’s called a clean cr, a clean resolution, meaning no changes, just continue the current budget, you know, for another 90 days or whatever the next deadline is.

And Democrats aren’t willing to pass that. If Republicans back off on that, I think they’re going to end up owning the whole thing and it’s going to look really bad. So Republicans just need to stick to their guns and say nope, we’re passing a clean cr, nothing else. Nobody’s negotiating anything either way. And I don’t know how long Democrats are going to hold out. Wow. Their own people have to push them and the truth has to get out that they’re the ones not voting for it. It’s pretty amazing. But your book is incredible. There’s so many behind the scenes things that people had no idea.

Give us another little tidbit that’s in your book that people are going to get if they go and get it. Oh gosh. I’m trying to think real fast of I think the, the behind the scenes stuff on what’s happening in, in these state cases I think is really important which we talked about earlier and then oh, the Dominion case. I was sued by Dominion for $1.6 billion. You personally were sued for 1.6 billion. I was personally sued for 1.6. How can they sue for somebody, Somebody if you’re not even worth, let’s say you’re worth 2 million.

I know, don’t. I don’t know what you. Yeah, well, they’re claiming. How can they, yeah, how can they claim to sue? How could they claim you for 1.6 billion? Well, they were just claiming that that’s how much I damaged them. And you know what, what they were claiming that I did and I actually never. So the, there were three aspects to the complaint against me. One was I interviewed Rudy. I was a reporter at the time. I interviewed Rudy Giuliani and was asking him about updates on their process and he’s, he was talking about the machine.

They didn’t like that. I never made the statements, which, it’s not defamation if I don’t make the statements. Well, and they’re intimidating a journalist. Yes. And then the second one was I interviewed a lesser known guy. Like, it’s basically like a social media influencer. I interviewed him, he said some things they didn’t like. Again, I didn’t make the statements, but that was that. And then the third thing was I did mention Dominion, but I was able to cite my source because the Maricopa County Supervisors had written a letter to the Arizona Senate saying, we can’t give you the administrative passwords to the machines.

We don’t have them. Only Dominion controls the machines. And they put that in a letter. And so I reported that and I was sued for that. And then I produced the letter and they were like, oh, we didn’t know it was true. Gosh, it’s like they can just sue. That’s lawfare, though. They just, it drugged me. It’s a total intimidation of a journalist because they can. And it’s not any different than in other countries where they take them out. You know, they just kill journalists. It’s very dangerous profession. And in this country they’re doing it through this.

Right. It’s one step away from that next act. Yes. If we don’t stop them, they, they’ll take that next step, I think. 100 and I went through hell for four years. They were defaming me. CNN, MSNBC, everybody was reporting saying, I’m a liar, I can’t be trusted, I’m not a trustworthy news source. Like just absolutely tried to destroy my reputation. Four years later, you know, we’re telling the truth. And they go, oh, she was telling truth. And they just dismissed me. There was no settlement, there was nothing. They were just like, oh, we’ll just miss her after four years of, like, trying to destroy me.

Yeah, I. I get that. Holy crap. Okay, where can people buy your book? It’s available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, wherever books are sold. It’s called Defiant Inside the Mar A Lago Raid and the Left’s Ongoing Lawfare Forward by Don Shop. And do you have a website for it? Yes. Christina. Bob.com. b, O B B. Awesome. That. Get your book there. Thank you so much. This was a wonderful conversation. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you so much. And I appreciate you using your platform to talk about it.
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