THE CCP INFILTRATION OF U.S. SOCIAL MEDIA-BEN MALONEY

➡ Dave Hodges, host of the Common Sense Show, discusses the potential dangers of Chinese influence in America, particularly through social media and academia. He interviews Ben Maloney, an expert on Chinese transnational repression, who explains how the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) uses surveillance and digital tools to exert control. They discuss concerns about TikTok, a social media platform owned by a Chinese company, and the presence of Chinese students in American universities, who may be monitored and controlled by the CCP.
➡ The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) uses tactics such as funding education and spreading propaganda to legitimize their stance and control narratives, especially regarding groups like Falun Gong. They also aim to create division in the U.S. and spread Marxist ideology. Concerns are raised about the influence of Chinese apps like TikTok, and the potential for them to be used for data collection and manipulation. The CCP’s long-term goals may involve exporting their worldview and control globally, which is a cause for concern.
➡ The article discusses concerns about the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) influence in the U.S., particularly through spying and control over social media platforms like TikTok. It highlights instances of spying and threats against Falun Gong practitioners, a spiritual group persecuted in China. The article also mentions the CCP’s potential influence on U.S. foreign policy due to China’s dominance in rare earth minerals. Lastly, it discusses the CCP’s control over AI technology and its potential to manipulate information and public opinion.
➡ The discussion revolves around the economic struggles of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and its influence on the US, including its funding from Western investments. Concerns are raised about the relationships between American companies and the CCP, with a call for more investigations and transparency. The conversation also touches on the potential impact of TikTok on American youth and the threat of Chinese influence in the US. Lastly, the speaker emphasizes the importance of understanding these issues and staying informed.

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And it was ugly. And we’re going to look at the Chinese issue from a slightly different perspective involving social media. And we know the Chinese are trying to infiltrate the United States and they’ve done so successfully in a multitude of dimensions. And we’re going to expose one of those dimensions today. Our guest is Ben Maloney and he takes what they call a human centric approach to the issue of Chinese transnational repression in America. Ben is the Digital Outreach Director for the Fallon Data Information center and has worked for Fortune 500 companies in various technology roles. With his deep background in technology, he can speak authoritatively on how the CCP weaponizes surveillance, AI and digital tools to both Chinese and Americans.

Remember Folks, this is an aside. Remember when we found out that the Chinese had police stations in America? The ccp, I mean, unbelievable. And that’s actually proven fact. This is going to be amazing. And I don’t want to stay too long on the intro because our time is short. And Ben, I want to welcome you to the show. First time appearance on the Common Sense show. And I’ll be honest with you, I have nothing against the Chinese people whatsoever. People are people. But I do not support anything the CCP does. And so, and I am, I’m glad to see President Trump taking some action with TikTok.

But is he going about it the right way? Yeah, it’s a good question and thanks so much for having me. And yeah, I agree. I think one big trick the Chinese Communist Party has pulled for almost 100 years, that they are the Chinese people, but they’re not. They’re not the Chinese people, actually. They’re almost a parasite on the, on, on China. But as far as it goes with TikTok, I think that’s an interesting issue to zoom in on and then zoom out a little bit more broad to help your viewers. But on the TikTok issue, what’s the issue? Right.

Why does it matter? Isn’t TikTok data stored in the US right? Like they say, like why, why should Americans be concerned about it? I think what we’ve learned from, specifically from a Falun Gong angle, which is a spiritual practice, Buddhist based spiritual practice based in truthfulness, compassion, tolerance, the largest group religious group persecuted in China today. What we’ve learned about the Chinese Communist party’s tactics with TikTok is they claim that TikTok is this independent company, but TikTok is owned by ByteDance and ByteDance is a Chinese company. And within Chinese companies in China, one thing to really understand is they have Chinese Communist Party committees within the company themselves to make sure that the culture of the company and the content of the company adhere to the Chinese Communist Party.

So ByteDance is no different when it comes to TikTok. What do we know? In 2019, there was leaked documents that came out about internal content moderation guidelines for TikTok. So basically what it said was there’s three things you cannot talk about that we need to censor. One of them was Falun Gong. The other two were Tibet and Taiwan, I believe. And so those three show that Beijing was dictating to an American, American social media company what content to show or not show. So that’s why one of the reasons it’s that issue for Americans is, wait, is Beijing controlling what we see or how that app’s used? That’s why it’s kind of under the guise of this, that’s why this deal is important.

Yeah, that’s, it’s, it’s amazing to me they think they can dictate something inside of America. But you know, as an aside, let me ask you if it’s related to the 300,000 CCP related students that are studying here in American universities, two of which were busted for the agroterrorism and they’re being charged in federal court with it. Is this all part of the same scheme? Yeah. So let me zoom out for a second. This is a really good point. So what is the CCP doing? They’re basically undergoing unrestricted warfare against the US and this is not a hot war, but what it is is a systematic way to disrupt our freedoms and have influence.

And so we know this because we had some leaked testimony from 2020 to a secret meeting where Xi Jinping said to them specifically on this Falun Gong issue, because it’s a big issue for them. But this is extrapolated out to all issues that we don’t like. The way that you haven’t been able to control information and freedom of speech basically in the US as it relates to this persecuted religious group. And so we want you to do warfare and we want you to do it in this way. We need to use disinformation and we need to co opt American media, the government and lawfare to basically combat this.

And so we’ve seen this play out. And so they have these tentacles where their warfare is quite structured. So when you talk about academia, for instance, academia is quite interesting because it is one of the areas and academia has a few aspects that they’ve been able to influence. So obviously you have the students and when the students come here, they’re, they’re monitored. So there’s something called the Chinese like Student association ccsa. And if you look at State Department, that’s a front group for the Chinese Communist Party, but it’s a way for the Chinese Communist Party to monitor student activity and control student activity.

So for instance, when it comes to like my issue that I’m an expert on, like the Falun Gong issue, we had a student who was, who was in the Midwest tried to join that group and then joined it. And then the, and then the president of that group was another student, called them and said, hey, I have to kick you out because the consulate called me and said, hey, you practice this religion and it’s banned in China. So you can’t be part of this is on a US Campus. So you can see that the consulate is controlling things on the US campus.

So it’s not just about the 300,000 students that maybe are set loose and doing their own thing. It’s actually quite coordinated by the Chinese Communist Party. That is just an amazing story on an American university. But I’ve heard similar stories. I did a story, too, on how Chinese students on American campuses are forming exclusive clubs that only they can belong to, and they meet off campus so they can’t be surveilled, they don’t have their cell phones with them and so forth. And that leads a lot of people to. That they’re up to no good in terms of trying to influence the culture on a college campus.

Have you followed that at all? I haven’t seen exactly that, but that doesn’t surprise me. I mean, there was Confucius Institutes, if you remember, which were more formal. Some of them got shut down. But the Confucius Institutes ostensibly were like, oh, we’re doing Confucian. Right. It was like this exchange thing. And all it was was a front for the Chinese Communist Party. So this is actually how the Chinese Communist Party operates. They operate through front groups. And they could be on college campuses. They could be nonprofits. They could be, you know, things that are funding American media companies.

They could be anything that actually influence. And the campus thing is important because one of the tactics in that secret meeting I talked about that she said was, we need to cultivate experts. So why is it important for the Chinese Communist Party to cultivate experts? Whether they be students or actually a lot of professors of Chinese studies, It’s important because they become a mouthpiece to legitimize the party’s stance on things. Right. So if the Chinese comes out and says, hey, Dave’s F, F, X, Y, Z, people go, now, I know Dave. I see a show like, he’s not like that.

But what if a professor of Chinese studies says something? It starts to be more legitimate. Right. So this is one. One tactic that they use. Yeah. The other thing that I was told that they do is they’ll go to, like, a K through 12 school or a university, and they’ll offer to do Chinese cultural education. They’ll pay for the professor. They’ll pay for the curriculum and the installation and even throw some extra money in. But the minute you talk about something like Falun Gong and all the other things that the CCP does, that’s immoral. Then they pull their funding and leave the institution in a mess.

Well, here’s another one for you. We did a study where we found that Chinese textbooks used in American universities, over 10 of them, Yale and some of the Top Ivies, those Chinese textbooks actually had demonizing content about Falun Gong and other groups. They were actually directly CCP propaganda in the textbooks being used in American universities. So it could be directly their funding, it could be through these Chinese programs. I mean, I think that the American public doesn’t have an idea how insidious this really is. And it’s been going on, quite frankly, for decades. Yeah. I’ve got a good friend who’s really tied into China and he and I have done shows on that.

What is the problem the CCP has with a group like the Falun Gong? It seems like it’s a meditation group. Yeah. So just for some background for your viewers, Falun Gong is a meditation practice. Buddhist principles kind of has slow moving qigong exercises based on the tenets of truthfulness, compassion, tolerance that was introduced in China in 1992. At the time, the government supported it, said, hey, people are getting healthy. But what happened was between 92 and 99, 100 million people started practicing. So one out of every 13 people in China, largest, fastest growing spiritual movement in Asian history.

And the Chinese Communist Party looked at that and said, wait, there’s more people practicing than are in the Chinese Communist Party. This is really kind of going back to the traditional Chinese kind of culture and values. This is not atheism. This is not class struggle. This is not the Marxist ideology we want. And that mixed with the dictator despot at the time and ran the party, Jiang Zemin. They started this persecution campaign mostly to try to control practitioners. And that’s gone on very brutally for over 26 years, involving mass imprisonment, hundreds of thousands of torture cases, you know, death, really bad stuff.

And now they’ve said, well, wait a second. This, this diaspora of Falun Gong, it’s practiced freely in 120 countries. In the US we just, we in the House just unanimously passed the Falun Gong Protection act, which, which helps sanction officials if they’re involved. So basically, it’s getting to the national stage in the US and they’re saying, wait a second, we better control that narrative because we’ve committed crimes against humanity. And these things are starting to get out. Yeah, exactly. And they are right. These things are getting out. Do we see this influence in America, particularly in education? Are they trying to lead young American students into believing in socialism? Well, that’s like a deep question.

I do think that if you. There are definitely aspects of that where they will take. They purposely take a divisive issue, any US Divisive issue, could be politics, could be religion, could be anything that’s happening. And they will insert themselves in a way to create more division. But as far as, like, from the ideology perspective, certainly, certainly they’re funding and wanting that ideology of Marxism to spread so that it can help with more credibility. I mean, they tell a lot of lies, right? They tell a lot of lies about Chinese history, about raising the middle class, about all these things that they claim Marxism did.

And those things do make their way into classrooms and to the young American mind. And those people think, oh, maybe it’s not that bad. Well, they kind of left out the detail of how Mao killed upwards of 80 million people to do any of that. So it’s like, wait a second here. You really need to study this to understand what happened in the Cultural Revolution, what happened to farmers, starvation. That’s actually martism. Well, Trump says he has wealthy buyers who have not been identified, as far as I know, that are ready to step in and buy TikTok and avoid the closure of TikTok in America.

Do you know anything about this and should Americans welcome this, or is it pushing the problem down the road? What’s the story here? Yeah, I’ve heard that, too, and I think it is coming to a head. I mean, even the Biden administration, now, the Trump administration, have taken this head on. It doesn’t look like it’s going to go away. And I believe it’s because they really know, like, once somebody, once the government bans something on a military device, those are good things for people like your viewers to look at and say, wait, maybe I shouldn’t be using that.

Deep seek their new AI algorithms the same. So when it comes to TikTok, making it in American hands, it is important. It’s important not just that the data is stored in the US because the data is, they claim the data stored in the US now. But some of their engineers have come out, other people come out and said, well, they still have backdoors to the data or backdoors to the information. So it’s important that the algorithm itself, which controls the content people see or don’t see. It’s. I think it’s very important that if those influence American viewers and the American public, that those are controlled by American companies.

Well, I totally agree with that, too. Do you know anything about the potential buyers on this? I Haven’t seen the group. The group doing that. What I do know, though, I just read the other day, is that TikTok is actually building a second app. Like, a second app, maybe the one that they’ll sell, which to me is really interesting. I don’t have inside information about that, but I wonder why you need to buy a second app. I wonder if there’s something in the first app they wouldn’t want a buyer to see or. I don’t know, but there is.

It does seem like they’re moving in that direction where they might anticipate a sale. Interesting. A second app. I wonder if that would be an attempt to avoid controversial issues, superficially, that American government officials would object to. And they’re taking possibly. Or hide the algorithm. Bury that. Like, I don’t. I don’t really know. But if they’re. If they sell that and they don’t sell the original app, then what is the. I mean. Or maybe it’s just less value, I don’t know, but it seems a little bit odd. You know, I’m going to ask you a question.

It’s a little far afield, but I think it reflects what we’re getting at here. Like I said, I have no problem with Chinese people. I have problems with the CCP. And in 2017, I was one of several people that got a supposed leaked document from the Central Planning Committee, the ccp. And we Fang the. Basically, he was the Defense Minister at that time, and he said that our goal is to occupy America with 300 million colonists and we’re not going to cohabitate, which basically meant we’re going to wipe America out. Do you think that’s something we should take seriously? Does that really reflect their worldview long term? If somebody says something you should believe, though, I mean, not if the Chinese Communist Party is telling you something, you know, that that benefits them.

But I certainly. I think you’re getting at a very core issue, which is, is the Chinese Communist Party like a. Just a government, like any other government that we can talk to, negotiate with? And is that what they actually are? Or are they a totalitarian regime that seeks to export Marxism and their worldview everywhere in the world and export that? And I believe it’s the latter. And I believe it’s the latter because of the information that we’ve gotten. I mean, that 2022 directive by Xi Jinping, it operationalized the Ministry of State Security and the Ministry of Public Security, which are their intelligent apparatuses, to form a group to stop Falun Gong, specifically In North America.

That means that they’re attempting to take this playbook of media disinformation, lawfare to our country to silence dissidents and control what we think. And that doesn’t stop with Falun Gong. Falun Gong just happens to be the canary in the coal mine on a lot of these things because it’s a domestic issue for them. But they will stop at nothing to silence other critics and other things. I mean, as you mentioned, Kathy Hochul, our governor here in New York had a spy in their office that was doing some of the anti Taiwan stuff, doing some of the proclamation was actually paid.

This is what we know about. There’s another instance in Florida. This guy Ping Li worked for a telecommunications company that was arrested and he had for over 10 years, they know at least 2012, the FBI said, been giving information and data on American citizens, Falun Gong practitioners among them, to the Chinese Communist Party. So there’s just so many instances of where we’ve caught and they’ve deployed actual spies doing real damage. And, and it doesn’t stop there. We as a Falun gone community in the past few years there’s been over 150 death threats, bomb threats, threats to kidnap the children of Falun Gong practitioners.

I mean this is terroristic in nature and I think it needs to be taken very seriously. Yeah. And the organ transplants are nefarious. I’ve covered that a lot in the past. In fact, there was just recently a case I came across, I can’t remember the gentleman’s name. He was a resident at a medical school in a hospital and he was opposed to, let’s say participating in death in hospital so they could extract organs. And his body got thrown out of a fifth floor window and the Chinese labeled as a suicide, no autopsy. Parents went to the room, found signs of struggle.

So this is all continuing. Nothing has changed with China. But I’m wondering if you think Trump could be compromised. I did an interview yesterday with someone who told me that the Chinese are thinking, how you put it, at least a decade ahead in rare earth minerals and if they pulled the plug on us, we would notice it immediately and be in strong, a strong difficult position. Do you think that’s playing a role in our foreign policy here and why we’re pausing the tariffs? Well, there’s definitely things that play beyond like my, my expertise. But I would say that the, the administration is very well positioned to do something on the Chinese Communist Party.

And I say that because like people like Marco Rubio that are in the administration, Marco Rubio, we’ve known for many years in the Falun Gong community, has always kind of understands the nature, I think that, you know, the Trump administration understands that the true nature of the Chinese Communist Party, which is kind of what we just talked about. And I think that’s the first step. And if you look at the first Trump administration through to the Biden administration, through to the current Trump administration, if you just look at the kind of this Department of State, like Blinken under Biden and under Trump, they’ve sanctioned, they started sanctioning CCP officials for things like Falun Gong.

And they’ve never, they had never done that previous. No presidents had ever done that previous because the posture was always by the ccp. We will discuss human rights issues and other issues in private. We will never discuss them in public. If you want to do any business with us, if you want to do anything with us, these are third rail issues. And now we’re starting to see multiple administrations touch those third rail issues, talk about these things. And I think they’re very well positioned, despite the leverage that the Chinese Communist Party may have in other areas, to actually address these core human rights issues, which are really at the core of if we should be, and how should we should be interacting with the CCP at all, in my opinion.

Yeah, I think that’s really true. Okay, by controlling TikTok, if the Chinese can maintain their editorial control through proxies or whatever, what is their goal on Tick Tock? Because obviously they’re looking at a young, younger group, a younger generation. Well, let’s look at what. I think one way to answer that question is to look at what they’ve done in China. So what have they done in China will be what they’re trying to export to the West. So what have they done? Well, obviously in China, they have complet control of everything, the Internet, every major company, through the great firewall and other things.

And so they control everything. Like if you look at something like WeChat, which is they’re basically mass me messaging service in China. Everyone’s on WeChat, how they communicates, how they pay. Chinese have full kind of content moderation control. They’ve Even launched through WeChat, like campaigns against Falun Gong and other communities, like nationally, they actually will launch these campaigns, sign this petition, you know, against this religion. And so what we can see there is that they have a very strong hold and ability to, to control what people think to, to have these mouthpieces. And so if we look at that being the model.

Well, what are they going to do in the west from the Falun Gong issue perspective? What they’ve said is we want to damage Falun Gong’s reputation in the west so that people don’t want to support them. And you can see that playing out in the media through frivolous lawsuits and also through social media. For instance, even takeaway TikTok on X, the Twitter platform, there was thousands of bot accounts recently removed by Twitter themselves that were amplifying propaganda against Falun Gong. And one of the performing arts companies, Shen Yun, which is founded by Falun Gong practitioners. So you can see they will weaponize our systems, our law, any, anything that they can.

So if it’s something they directly control, I mean, forget about it. No, that makes a lot of sense, but I just think that it’s a soft form of brainwashing for the youth to. The Chinese way may be better, that kind of thing. Socialism is king. That. That’s what I would expect to be their ultimate goals. Do they have influence and other social media besides TikTok? Well, one of the areas that I’ve been looking at more closely lately is in AI. So, you know, just for your viewers, I mean, AI is kind of moving fast and kind of confusing, but you basically have these large models, right? These foundational models.

And Google has one, OpenAI has one. These are American companies. And so. And Meta has one, formerly Facebook has one. And Meta’s one is like open source, which means, hey, you can just use it in your company and kind of, you can have the source code and you can kind of use it, right? It’s kind of what open source means. So China has developed something called Deep Seq Deep Seq AI. And it’s also open source, which means anyone can use it. You know, it’s offered by major US companies to their. To actually their customers, their Fortune 100500 customers.

Hey, you can use this deep seq AI model. And there was a lot that came out, oh, it’s efficient, it’s this and that. But actually some of the tests that we’ve run have shown that it has. It’s like you try to go ask a question about Falun Gong, it’s no information or very limited information. So built into this, open source is actually already content moderation, even though it’s quote unquote, open source. And so you can start to see, wait a second, this is not a benevolent technology play where they’re just giving American companies and others they want the Chinese tech stack, whether that be social media Whether that be AI, whether that be communications through Huawei, to be kind of that universal standard across the world, because that gives ultimate control to the ccp.

Yeah, they, they have some control issues though, because right now, and this is something I’m very sure of, too many old people in China to help their labor force. A lot of the young people there in China are dropping out. They’re becoming domestic engineers in their family’s homes because there’s a saying called let it rot. I forget the Chinese term for it now, but they’re not participating in high numbers in the Chinese economic system, which is really fragmented right now. Do you think that’s going to lessen their GR on what they’re trying to do in the American media? And they need to focus internally.

How do you think the domestic issues in China are going to come into play? Yeah, well, certainly people can do that research because they have a lot of economic pressure, other pressures. Obviously we’ve seen real estate, things like that, things that I’m not necessarily an expert on. But I think overall, if you look at, if you look at the last hundred years of the Chinese Communist Party, how have they been able to maintain control under a dictatorship? Because really it is totalitarian and people don’t have freedom of thought. And one of the ways that I believe that been able to do that is basically materialism, right? So they’ve been able to kind of, you know, say through materialism, through kind of betterment, especially in the big cities, hey, you know, you have more things now basically, right? But if that starts to get pressured and their ability to basically pay, and even if, you know, through the populace, if economy becomes an issue, it’s not just that that will become an issue for the everyday person, it’s that all their apparatuses need to be funded.

Their secret police, the persecution of Falun Gong, like their ability to control the nation is a large amount of their gdp, not to mention all of the, you know, the amount of the GDP they’re they’re investing in trying to influence the US So I feel like economically, if that does suffer, you will see that lesson. But, but at the same time, to be quite honest, we do see, you know, I think it’s more like, are US Companies going to continue funding that? Right. Because really the CCP didn’t just come up with its own money. It’s really a lot of investment from the west that has funded that.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But you almost get the feeling though, when I look at the CCP struggles right now with leadership that they’re struggling with the people right now. And I hate to see people suffer, but I think that could help us in position to control some of this domestically in America. Here’s my big concern about tick tock tock. If Trump gets these wealthy people to buy TikTok, what are their business relationships with Chinese companies, particularly front companies? Do you have any information on that? Well, I think that’s a, that’s a really good question and I, I believe that’s where I’d like to see and I believe the Trump administration is well positioned through the DOJ to be investigating this.

More basically, we should be investigating the relationships between all American companies, American media companies, for instance, like it wasn’t even until a few years ago that American media companies had to disclose basically if the CCP had paid them for inserts. So there was this paper insert called China Watch which was pure CCP propaganda in English. It was inserted into most of the major newspapers in the United States. Most of the major newspapers, Wall Street Journal, New York Times and others. And I remember looking at those and they look like they’re a native part of the paper and they would have information, anti Falun Gong information, all this stuff.

And those papers didn’t even have to disclose that they had a financial relationship with the Chinese Communist Party until very recently. So I feel like more laws like that and more pressure like that that can actually disclose and investigate some of these things and how those things are influencing the United States are going to be really, really key. Yeah. The reason that prompted my question was he had this guy, an American based, American born man named Singham who’s been caught for the CCP funding these anti ice riots in particularly in places like la, he’s given them face masks and signs and he basically is promoting domestic insurrection.

And I know the DOJ is taking a hard look at him, but he’s an agent and a member of the CCP and he’s, he’s, he’s an American. That’s. It is, it is really hard. Right. And I think that’s part of the challenge here. It’s hard for your viewers, it’s hard, it’s even hard for the government because of how insidious this is. Right. I mean we’ve, we’ve had this issue ourselves where Falun Gong community in New York had gotten these frivolous lawsuits, Right. And you look into it and it’s from this environmental company, Right. And so it looks legitimate.

They were all dismissed by a New York judge. But when you looked into it you found that, wait, this person that runs this nonprofit spent like a decade plus in China and comes back and just starts this nonprofit, and the only thing they’re doing is launching these lawsuits. But you go and you say that, but you don’t, you don’t yet have the proof or it hasn’t been dismissed. People go, oh, well, you know, just because they have a relationship with China. But that’s not true, because we actually found through those lawsuits another DOJ case where two spies, two CCP spies were arrested for trying to bribe who they thought was the IRS to revoke a Falun Gong affiliated, like Shenyan Performing Arts nonprofit status.

And when those documents in that case came out, we found that one of those spies, John Chen, who had met Xi Jinping multiple times, was actually in the area spying for what they said was environmental lawsuits. So you start to see how. Wait a second now. Now these things start to be very related. But if you don’t have that bust and you don’t have this information, it’s really hard to connect the dots. Yeah. One of my colleagues in this business did some research and said that 33 ex congressmen and senators represent Chinese interest as lobbyists right now in, in the House of Representatives, in the Senate.

Very disturbing. John Boehner being the Boehner was the most notorious of them all. Former speaker of the House. So, yeah, it’s a problem, and I think tick tock is just one part of this problem. But I’m concerned because the effect it could have on the youth and their attitudes, that’s my biggest concern right here. I’m a former educator, and I got to tell you, the kids are vulnerable right now because they’re embracing, because we’re going through economic hard times. They’re embracing the promise of something for nothing that socialism brings, and it’s never worked. Can you imagine if the Chinese had our economic model, what they could do worldwide? It’d be phenomenal.

The Chinese people, I mean, if you, if, if there’s no Chinese Communist Party, perhaps you look at the ingenuity and the ability of the Chinese people. I mean, that, that’s really. And honestly, that’s exactly where China’s prosperity has come from, in my opinion. It’s come from the Chinese people themselves. It has not come from the Chinese Communist Party. Chinese Communist Party has siphoned and benefited themselves from that, but it’s come from the Chinese Communist. I mean, it’s come from the Chinese people. Well, the corruption of the CCP is catching up with it right now economically, and we’re seeing banks fail and real estate collapse and so forth.

And. And it’s the root of it is the corruption. And I’m just saying if you could turn China loose with the free market economy with some rules, they would dwarf the rest of the world. I mean, maybe it’s fortunate for America there is a CCP on that hand, but it’s not anything I want to embrace. How do people follow your Good work. Yeah, thanks so much. So, Falun Dafa Information Center F A L U N D A F A you can find our website at faluninfo. We have a lot of reports. We’re publishing a lot about the transnational repression in the United States and things that people should pay attention to.

So you can check out our website, you can follow us on social media. And honestly, I think the best way is just watch shows like yours, be informed at dinner parties or anywhere that your viewers are, talk about these things and educate people because a lot of people don’t understand this threat that we’re under. Yeah. Look, I really appreciate the courage it takes to come on here and your expertise in this and bringing attention to this critical issue. Our guest has been Ben Maloney. And Ben, thank you so much for joining us here on the Common Sense Show.

Thank you so much, Dave. Take care.
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