Tariffs: Devil is in the Details the 3-Day Warning Real Life Consequences w/ Farmer Derrick Josi

➡ This text discusses the impact of tariffs on agriculture, focusing on a dairy farmer’s perspective. It highlights the importance of understanding the nuances of farming and tariffs, as they can greatly affect the industry. The text also introduces an anti-aging peptide, GHK CU, which has various benefits like promoting hair growth and reducing wrinkles. Lastly, it advises on the importance of protecting wealth during economic uncertainty, recommending investments in gold and silver.
➡ The article discusses the impact of tariffs on farming, particularly in the dairy industry. It highlights the experiences of a dairy farmer in Oregon, who explains how tariffs affect different industries and products. The farmer also discusses how countries like Canada and China use tariffs and import rules to protect their own industries, which can be challenging for U.S. farmers. The article suggests that understanding and strategically navigating these tariffs is crucial for the success of U.S. farming industries.
➡ The U.S. heavily relies on exports, especially in the agricultural sector, to keep the market stable. Trade wars and tariffs can negatively impact this, causing potential shortages or price increases. Countries like Mexico and China play significant roles in our export market. It’s crucial to maintain good trade relationships and possibly reshore some industries to North America for better control and stability.
➡ The conversation discusses perceptions of Canada and Mexico, with the speaker suggesting that Mexico might be better than the U.S. in some aspects, and Canada being the worst. They discuss the younger generation’s disregard for trivial differences between countries, and the language barrier with Mexico. The conversation also touches on farming, tariffs, and the quota system in Canada’s dairy industry, which the speaker criticizes. They express concern about increasing regulations and rules in farming, and mention a proposed agricultural labor board in Oregon that would dictate pay and working conditions for farm employees.
➡ The conversation revolves around the challenges faced by doctors in Oregon, the beauty of the state, and the speaker’s love for gardening. It also delves into the control of seeds by large corporations, the impact of farming methods on soil nutrition, and the benefits of crop rotation and organic fertilizers. The speaker, a farmer, discusses the importance of synthetic fertilizers in feeding the global population and the issues arising from dependence on other countries for supplies. The conversation ends with the speaker sharing his social media handles.
➡ The speaker emphasizes the importance of understanding real-life impacts of trade negotiations, particularly in the dairy industry between Canada and the U.S. They believe that those who negotiate trade often miss the practical effects, focusing too much on theory. The speaker suggests that these negotiators should communicate more with those directly affected by their decisions to better understand the situation.

They actually own one of the largest pork producing not processors in this country. So I mean they buy a lot of the pork and ship it over there and they bought it by a lot of corn and soybean. So they, and they are a major dairy importer too. Well, so here’s the thing though, I everybody saw this coming. So I almost guarantee you that they have been stockpiling, purchasing, getting ready. So we’ll see how long it runs. But if they get it figured out sooner rather than later, we’ll probably see very negligible. Just a short break to share with you an amazing peptide.

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He has a large dairy farm and he also grows a lot of corn and he’s in Oregon so he gets to experience what it’s like in, in a one of our more restrictive states in the country and we get to talk about that. He’s going to talk about the tariffs in agriculture which a lot of people don’t realize that we it comes to tariffs, it’s not just a whole country wide, it’s not even sector wide. It’s product by product when it comes to tariffs. And he’s going to explain that as well. He’s going to explain a lot of the nuances when it comes to farming.

People are getting a little nervous in the farming industry. And I think what people don’t realize that farm food and our ability to feed people is the most delicate thing for humanity ever. It’s the only thing that within three days, if you don’t have access to enough food to feed yourself, takes three days before a revolution starts. Not that we’re going to have a revolution anytime soon. I’m just saying. I hope not. I’m just saying food is the most important thing for a society to make sure is is available for people. Otherwise it creates unrest at levels that we don’t want anywhere.

Right. And in poor countries, they don’t have enough of it. That’s why there’s people starving. But that’s another story. We get into that a little bit too. Tariffs on poor countries versus rich countries. This is really interesting. He has a Facebook, an Instagram site that has millions of followers. And he, on a regular basis, he just shows people what the day in life it is on a farm and what he has to go through so people can see firsthand. And so he has all these people following him on what it’s like to be in a farm.

He was supposed to come on last week and his truck got stuck in the mud. He called me from the field, Sarah, I can’t come on. My truck is stuck. So I’m like talking to him. Literally. That was the first time I ever had that where someone’s like, I’m in the mud. Literally. So we rescheduled for today and it was a good conversation. We talked about seeds, the big corporations. There’s so much nuance here and, and why it’s really important that people don’t jump to the hot button issues and just get triggered and think that the.

It’s important not to get stuck on the propaganda and to understand the issue a little deeper. And this is why you can be. So people can be so easily misled and sheeped around because you take a hot button, you don’t look at the nuances. You look at it from a high level. And at a high level, it makes sense. If you don’t know the whole picture, you just know part of it. And so you can take and spin topics any way you want if you don’t understand it. That’s why I wanted to have him on so we can get a little bit more nuance on this situation and the tariffs and.

And the other thing is that having him be on the ground and actually experiencing the tariffs a lot of people that negotiate tariffs aren’t even, aren’t on the ground. I mean, they don’t, they don’t get to personally experience what the ramifications are of tariffs. And that’s a, that’s a different thing too. I mean, the negotiators of tariffs need to talk to the people on the ground, make sure they understand how it’s going to affect different industries and different products. And that’s part of the nuance on making sure you manage the country in a way that’s not incompetent.

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Yeah, I’ve heard off and on throughout the years. I also, you know, because we’re Swiss. He came over in 1912, he had to pay off his indenturedness before he could, you know, go off on his own. So it took him six years and then he started leasing and eventually bought the original 60 acre dairy farm that we still own today. Isn’t it interesting? Indentured servant. I mean, that was, it was a different time, wasn’t it? Yeah, definitely was. It’s kind of like layaway used to be, you know, I want this. So can you hold it in the back of the store until I can finally pay for it and then I can have it? Yeah, it’s incredible.

We do loans today. I guess it’s just, it’s the same thing, it’s just structured different. Right. I mean, you’re essentially an indentured servant. You just, we just use different words and it’s structured differently. But regardless, you, you have intimate experience with tariffs when it comes to farming. And the tariffs affect farming. Different. Everything. Every industry is different. And when we’re, you know, talking about terrorists, people look at this as blanket thing for a whole country. But it doesn’t work that way. Right? It’s product by product and industry by industry. Yes, it definitely is. For example, I’m a dairy farmer, so if you try and export up into Canada, they have very strict import rules for dairy products.

And for all the people in Canada, this is not me beating up your guys’s dairy industry and your protectionist mentality towards your dairy industry. I am perfectly fine with you protecting your dairy industry up there if that’s the way you want to do it. But you can’t be angry at the United States for also imposing terrorists if that’s the way you want to go about it. Completely understandable from my point of view. To protect industries within your own country. I think that’s a no brainer. They’re angry for us wanting to do tariffs that they’re already doing, which is really hypocritical, isn’t it? It’s one thing about the really poor countries, I think there’s.

Every country is not the same, right? Yeah, they’re all different. We have to look at it per country. And because the really poor countries where people make a hundred dollars a month, these kind of things, we, we have to deal with that differently than countries that are wealthy. Right. And have industry. It’s just a different ball game. But you have really good insight on Canada because they’ve been doing that to the farming industry. And so when they’re saying we’re bad guys and they’re mad at us for doing tariffs, it’s. I mean, it’s kind of ironic. It really is.

Doesn’t that kind of make you angry a little bit? You know, maybe if I was trying to market up into Canada, it would be a different story. But I’m part, I’m over in Tillamook, Oregon and we are a member owned co op and we’re the Till McDairry products you find all over the United States. We don’t really try and market it up into Canada probably because we don’t want to have to deal with their tariff structure on dairy farm products. But when it comes to tariffs, you literally have to think every individual item. You can’t just think, oh, it’s all the same.

You have to be strategic about it. And country by country too, where when you look at China, they consistently utilize their own tariffs and their own restrictions to make it easier and cheaper for them to buy agricultural products because they’ll play with things to manipulate the market and then swoop in and buy a bunch when it’s the right opportunity. Explain that. So basically they depress prices and things so they can go in. Explain that. Yeah, so say they know that they need X num tons or bushels of corn or wheat. They will, you know, they’ll just not buy.

They’ll not buy. And so that can depress the market and drop the price and then they’ll just come in and buy a bunch all at once. Oh, that makes sense. Because they’re such a big buyer. They’re just a big player in the marketplace. Yeah, they. And that’s the government being entwined in industry. They do that stuff. You know, people were thinking, you know, China’s the, the big. One of the big guns that people are thinking Canada too. I mean, there’s a lot of countries that we really need to get to the table. But people look at China in particular and think it’s the Communist party and the communism that is brought these people out of poverty.

And they, in the 70s, they were called the hermit, the hermit country or the human hermit, you know, because they were completely isolationist. Completely. They didn’t trade with anyone. And, and once they did and they opened up their country, they boomed and it was, they brought out more because they went from one extreme total isolationist to now they’re trading everywhere. And they. Because they were so suppressed, they were able to have that boom. Right. We don’t have that many people in poverty like they did. And it was because they opened up their markets. Right. And that’s what Trump is trying to say.

We want our markets opened up. You boomed because you were able to sell the world. We are suffering because we’re not able to sell to the world. Well, it’s not only that with China, but from what I understand, using China as an example, when, when it comes to China, though, if, if an agricultural company wants to do business in China, they have to partner with. With a Chinese company. So then any. Yep, you’re right. Any of your technology that might be, you know, exclusive to your company, they have now, because any company that’s a Chinese company also happens to be part of the government.

So then there goes your technology, there goes your edge, and then they can do with it whatever they. So it’s just. You’re absolutely right, because I had the president or the CEO of Silicon Valley bank, which is one of the largest. Is the largest. And, you know, when it comes to the tech sector in Silicon Valley, and he was a former CEO that built it to its prominence, and he went in trying to do. They. The Chinese wanted to duplicate what he did for, you know, the tech world in China. And they did exactly what you’re talking about.

He sat there for three years and he couldn’t get anywhere because all they were trying to do was steal their ideas, take their ideas and concepts, and then own it and run it themselves. They didn’t really want him there. No, they. Yeah, they just want to take what they need and then they will do it themselves. Yeah. So they’re really protectionist in that way. And so we just have to be smart. Right? I mean, with every country. Because being an isolationist, we’re not. We’re the most open country in the world. But if we’re dealing with people who are not treating us that way, we do have major issues, just like with your farming and Canada and tariffs.

Can you talk a little bit about what that has done to the farming, farming sector when it comes to Canada and other areas? Dylan just wanted to say hi. Oh, hey there. Hey. Hey. Hi. Okay, Daddy’s gotta finish talking now. She just got done with school for the day. That’s awesome. PEOPLE LISTENING ON AUDIO his say his son came in and said hi. No, daughter. I mean, his daughter did. Yes, yes, yes. What is her name? Dylan Dylan. Yep. Okay. She has a, she has a. More of a cross. Yes. Yes, she does. That’s okay, though.

She is definitely a little girl, though. Either way, it wouldn’t matter if she was. I was a tomboy as a kid. Yeah. So back on topic. Yeah. When, when it comes to tariffs, the ag economy is really one of our major export economies these days. For example, in the dairy industry, one out of every seven days worth of dairy products that we make in this country is exported in one form or another. And Mexico is one of our. Is our number one export for the dairy industry. But whether it’s corn, soybean, all of that stuff, we rely on exports to keep our market stable.

Otherwise we would have too much product. So that’s, that’s why whenever you see trade wars and things like that starting to happen, like right now, the first thing we do is slap higher tariffs on agricultural products because they know we are a net exporter of agricultural products and that’s what they’re doing. Is Mexico doing that yet? Mexico is not. They’re actually being really strategic and from what I see, probably one of the smarter players when it comes to what’s going on right now. Well, and I know I, I’ve seen some information from other poorer countries who immediately sent letters to Trump and they’re very scared because they can’t afford to have a trade war.

I mean, literally, if there’s a trade war, it. Because they’re so fragile as it is that they will, it’ll destroy and all these people will be in starvation mode. And I’m not, That’s not an exaggeration. So I think the country. We have to be very careful. And it’s good that Mexico is being very strategic because they know that and they, they have some fragile industries too, but we have some fragile industries and we have to be very careful. When you get into a trade war, there’s a lot of pain. And that’s what you’re sharing when it comes to farming.

Yeah, absolutely. And going back to China, I mean, one of the first things they did was slap tariffs on agricultural imports into that country. So our exports to them. Will that affect, I mean, how much is. Because you were just talking about how China will suppress the price and then they’ll buy it up. So how big of a player is China in our market when it comes to agricultural. Oh, they’re huge. They, they actually own one of the largest pork producing, not processors in this country. So I mean, they buy a lot of the pork and, and ship it over there.

And they bought it buy a lot of corn and soybean. So they, and they are a major dairy importer too. I can’t lie there. What will it do to their local prices? I mean, because they, if they’re importing, they’re not getting enough internally. Well, so here’s the thing though. I, I, everybody saw this coming. So I almost guarantee you that they have been stockpiling, purchasing, getting ready. So we’ll see how long it runs. But if, if they get it figured out sooner rather than later, we’ll probably see very negligible. Yeah. Price prices. And I’ve been following what’s going on in the commodities and they’ve basically been flat.

There’s not a whole lot of movement. So it’s almost like everybody is playing the wait and see game. See how this turns out before we have any sort of major, major market movements. Which is, which is smart. Well, and people buy basically on a, on a basic price. Right. So if there’s highs and lows, they can, it keeps it stable, but there’s only a certain amount of time that that can last. And then it becomes very painful. Right? Yes. Yep. And then we start seeing shortages or price increases at the supermarket or vice versa. We see products that can’t be sold too lower prices.

And people are laying off both extremes. Right? Absolutely. Yep. Okay. So the other question that, that I have is how do you see. Because I know tariffs is such a big deal. It’s something you’ve thought a lot about. How do you see us faring when it comes to some other markets when it, for example, like pharmaceuticals. Because we can’t with China. We are extremely dependent on them, on some of our industries. Yeah. I honestly don’t know how we allowed that to happen. Negligence on the management of our country. Yeah. I would definitely go to that extreme.

I don’t understand. It’s no different than when way back when I was young and I watched George Bush Jr. Put tariffs on steel imports into this country to protect the steel industry. Vital industry. You have got to have some of it. So I’m not sure how we allowed the vast majority of our pharmaceuticals to be exported overseas at the way it has been. It just blows my mind. And I think going through what we did in 2020 and 2021 opened a lot of people’s eyes to the fact that maybe the some of those industries should be rehomed back to the continental United States.

We shouldn’t be waiting on cargo containers that are stuck out on the oceans to get medical supplies that we need. It just makes no sense. And it’s not even just tariff wars. That wasn’t a terror war. It’s if there’s some kind of an emergency situation. You know, Covid is one irritating historical moment. Right. For so many reasons. But. Oh yeah, but if we have other kinds of like that or other kinds of real emergencies, we can’t be in that situation. Did you know that our bodies stopped creating its own vitamin C millions of years ago? Unlike most animals on this planet, our body does not create our own vitamin C.

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That’s right, it’s, it’s much safer. But now we start getting into something that is a little more nuanced. Let’s talk about globalism and oh yeah, stacks the steps towards the North American, you know, North American. Do you see this being a predecessor to that? And how do we maintain our sovereignty in that march towards that? I mean I see this as a step towards, you know, starting to break that down. A necessary step. But there’s a balance. Yeah, there’s definitely A balance. And it. Now you’re getting us into the deep waters where. Well, but this is where it goes.

We got to think about these things. Yeah, absolutely. Is where it goes. And 51st state talk for Canada. Let’s be honest. There’d be more than one state up there. I don’t see how you combine without them recognizing some of our. For, you know, like the second amendment rights that we have, First Amendment rights that they say they have, but do they really? No. So for us to get more. To combine more officially would take a lot in my book. Yes. There’s. We don’t want that cultural clash, do we? We like our culture. We don’t want their communism tendencies to come in.

We like our freedom. Now. Mexico has their own problems. Right. Mexico has their. Now we. When you think about Mexico, you think of the drug cartels and stuff. We have to be careful because we are fueling that. And there’s more to it than that. I don’t like that. My husband’s from Mexico, so I don’t like to blame them for the drug cartels when I know what the source of all that. A lot of that is. Yeah. The money’s coming from us. That’s right. And so we have to be careful to blame Mexico for that. In fact, we shouldn’t stop blaming Mexico for that.

But they have a different culture, too, and they have something that we wouldn’t feel comfortable with. They have a. They’re much more laid back. We’re much more structured. They’re much more laidback in how they operate things. They have a great work ethic. There’s so many pros to their culture. Yeah, but there’d be a huge clash of cultures there, too. Yeah. I don’t think it’s as big of a clash as people would think. I mean, we have, oh, so much more in common than we have. I mean, you think there’s. There’s more in common with Mexico than there is with Canada? Yeah, I honestly think, you know, I think you might be right.

I thought during COVID I used to think that Canada was probably a little bit better than us Vermont having their act together. And then there’s us and then there’s. Mexico was lagging during co. I flipped it on its head. I think Mexico was better than us. We’re in the middle, and Canada is the worst, honestly. So your answer makes me think, well, maybe we do. But I. Go ahead. I think if you could solve the cartel problem down there, that would be a much easier transition than going north. Our money causes It. Oh, I know. I, I agree.

I know, I know. It’s a. Do you think though that we accept Canada because of. I’m going to go there. Do you think that we accept Canada more because they look a little more like us than the average person in Mexico? Even though, I mean, do you think we can’t see past that or do you think we’re. Those, those trivial differences are, have disappeared? I think those trivial differences have disappeared. You think they’re already disappeared? Yes. Okay. I don’t think. I think the older generation, there might have been some of that and my generation less. But like I’ve got a 16 and 18 year old and they don’t even think about anything.

Like the younger generation is gone. Yeah. And they’re the ones that are moving in and starting to vote and do those things and. Yeah, no, I think, I think that the next generation, it’s, they’re just, they’re just over even the conversations about it because they’re just like. Yeah, that’s not a, it’s not a thing. Okay, we like that. Yeah. My kids, my kids are half Mexican. So our, you know, even though my husband’s an American citizen, they’re American citizens. They’re half, they look. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I like hearing that. That, I like that.

But I still don’t. I think we would still have those cultural. They speak another language. Yeah, they definitely do. That isn’t looking different. I think speaking. If you speak the same language, you feel like you’re more like. Than you are. Yeah. And it’s easier to communicate when you do have issues. That’s definitely that it was. That would probably be the biggest hang up to be honest, is the language barrier. Yep. Yep. And that’s, that’s what makes them seem different. More different than us, than Canadians is the language. Yes. Even though there’s more similar than Canadians. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, go ahead. Enough ragging on. Because Canada, I, I’ve, I, I like Canadians just fine. Want to put that pin in that. I mean, look what’s going on. But go ahead. Yeah, no, it’s definitely, I mean some of the things they, they’ve done like, you know, pull the, the accounts of anybody that donated money to the Freedom Convoy and things like that that are just completely anti American. That’s not something that you should do ever. You should ever. I mean. Yeah, there. So there’s, there’s some huge cultural differences up there that would have to be rectified.

That. That’s very much the case. Yeah. So what do you, where do you see the farmers right now? They’re not, they’re not worried at this point or are they a little bit getting a little nervous? I mean, we’re all nervous, but we’re cautiously optimistic. I mean, we’ve gone through this once before, especially with China and President Trump, he did this in his first term and it, I mean most of the tariffs were still in effect. President Biden didn’t even remove those tariffs. So it’s not like it’s something we haven’t experienced before. And let’s be honest, farming itself, you’ve got to watch the weather.

You never know if you’re, you’re going to have a drought year or too wet, you know, so we’re really used to adversity and dealing with things that there is no normal when it comes to farming. Well, how do you see Canada if they open up their, if they stop being so protectionist and they open up some of their agriculture because agriculture is the one that they really protect, how would that help our farmers? So it’s not so. But going back to nuance, it’s not even all of agriculture that they protect. There’s a few commodities that they really protect and one of them is dairy.

And one of the things they do with dairy is they have X amount that they allow to come in terror free. Right. But it’s their processors. So the, their milk bottling plants, their cheese factories, things like that, they get to decide what they bring in. And so they’ll bring in milk or cream or whatever they need at bottom level prices, manufacture the goods and then they’ll send the higher price dairy products back. So if it was a free flow, I honestly think that their dairy industry, after adjusting, they would have a much stronger dairy economy up there because they do have a lot of agricultural resources and they have a quota system presently.

So you can only produce as much milk as you have quota for. Oh God, that is communist based. So yeah, in order to open this up, they’d have to get rid of their quotas. Quotas kill industry. Yes. And, and you won’t find it. I mean you’ll find some dairies, farmers up there that are okay with that, but the majority of them, you know, to expand you have to spend a lot of money buying more quota. And so if all of a sudden they do away with this quota system, their whole industry is based off of it, banks loan money out based on it.

So it would, it would be a wreck. Well, okay, so you have to pay to get, you have to Pay the government to have the right to a larger quota. Yeah. Oh, God, that’s so communist. Okay. And what it does is it keeps out in its total protectionism inside their country as well. It keeps us new players. It keeps up, basically the establishment players are all you get. And it’s. They don’t believe in competition really. The quota system really is really bad for industry. It’s bad. Yeah. It’s bad for prices. It’s bad for everything. And I don’t want to say that I understand.

Yeah. And I don’t know the nuance of their system. I do know they have a system where you. If you’re a beginning farmer, you will be gifted X amount of quote. Okay. So they do allow that. Yes. So I don’t want. They thought through that. Yeah, it’s. So it’s not. But it’s still. Yeah, it’s. You don’t see a lot of major growth in the industry up there, that’s for sure. Well, because once you get in, it’s hard. That’s the whole point of having. If you have too many regulations and restrictions, it’s hard to grow. And. And that would be why they have so such stringent tariffs on dairy, because they are protecting that quota system.

Geez. Okay, that makes me. That makes sense here. Tariffs are. Tariffs are complicated. Working with other countries and the systems they have, it’s all complicated. Well, that’s what I was saying at the beginning. It’s nuances. Each country in. And. And you even broke it down even further and saying, not just the sector, now it’s products within the sector. So it’s product by product, country by country. And the dynamics in the country are different. You know, a wealthy country like Canada is totally different than dealing with a really poor country in Africa. So, okay, so you cover.

You have a huge following on social media. I think you have millions on Facebook and so forth. And you have these people love interacting with you. What is it that you are passionate about and sharing with people that really keeps people coming back? Oh, I, you know, I just. With all the BS about dairy and animal agriculture, I just like to show my day and show what I’m doing. Because the best way to combat lies and misinformation is the disinfectant of sunlight. So if I’m just showing my day, showing when I have issues, showing how we dairy, it’s hard to argue with that.

I don’t hide anything. I show anything and everything. And do you think you. It’s important, isn’t it? Because farmers here have A hard time. All the rules and the, and creeping in of these regulations and rules constantly non stop, isn’t it? It’s making it hard for you to be profitable. Yeah, well, it’s. For example, in Oregon alone, it’s terrible. My sister’s out there. It’s just like. Yeah, oh my God. There’s a bill and I think, I believe it’s the state senate that they want to put together an agricultural labor board where they, this board, this unelected board would dictate what we are allowed to pay our employees, how much time they can work, how, you know, all the jobs.

And then part of it, they, they removed the, this caveat. It originally also said there was not at will firing. You couldn’t fire an employee just for. If you caught them doing something that they shouldn’t. So it is the only. You’re stuck with somebody. Did they put that through or no? No, they pulled that out of it. But even this new labor board, that there is not a single other industry in Oregon that they have this board for. Well, I do know my sister’s a doctor there and she struggles. The doctors are struggling because they’re just really clamping down on these clinics to a point where the doctors, she’s like, Sarah, they’re all leaving.

Nobody wants to be here because it’s so awful. The beautiful. I mean Oregon is beautiful. We just need to get some better, better politicians in there. It is, it is beautiful. It’s amazing. I went there and for my niece’s wedding and the, the gardening. I’m like, oh, I’m so jealous that you can grow some of the, the plants that you can grow. I live in the Minnesota so I can’t grow. I mean my gardens don’t look like that. I mean that’s amazing. He had this, this grass, this natural grass. It looked like this round ball, but it was massive.

That is so cool. My brother in law is a really good gardener. It’s just so amazing. Do you like getting into gardening too or your wife? We do. I mean we have a nice yard and stuff. But I mean I’m technically garden gardening about 450 acres. So I know that you’re a gardener of food. He’s more like this artist, you know. But it’s the same thing, right. Everything has an art to it. Yeah. And it’s much easier to grow things here than Minnesota, that’s for sure. Absolutely. What do you think of the control of the seeds? I want to get into a little bit of that and how farming has Been affected by these large corporations controlling seeds and your ability to do your own that on your own.

Well, once again, this is very. A nuanced conversation. Yeah, I think there’s four seed companies that control like 85, 90% of the seeds in this country. You can still buy non patented seeds and there is definitely a lot of people that do that. Most people don’t realize that that includes organic. Most of the organic seeds are also controlled by these companies. Because even organic seeds, there’s a lot of research that goes on. You know, they’ll be growing different types and so there’s reasons why the seeds are controlled by these companies. They, they, you know, put new technology in.

So if you’re in Minnesota, maybe you get a different kind of corn seed than I’m going to buy over here. So would I like to see more companies that are doing it? Yes, I think more competition is always a better thing. I don’t know how we fix it though. Well, the, the scary part is if they. My understanding is that farmers used to be able to take the seeds and reuse them year after year. And now the seeds, you have to purchase them every year. And that also gets into genetic modified. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And then now we’re having less and less variety of a food, which puts us at danger a little bit when you have less variety.

Some of the varieties I know, like bananas for example, what we eat with bananas, I know bananas aren’t grown here, but what we eat with bananas are so different than from like a hundred years ago. They’re completely, they’ve been modified for sales, but the nutrition level has significantly reduced. Is that wrong? I, I don’t know enough about bananas. But most of the foods that you’re buying today, the nutritional value is right where it was before. Like for example, cattle, dairy cattle, beef cattle, they’re a completely different looking animal than they were a hundred years ago. And that was just by selectively breeding.

The difference, the difference between a dairy cow and a beef cow is like night and day. I like to say that the dairy cows look like greyhounds. They’re built splendor and sleek and a beef cow looks like a bulldog just bulked up because they’re bred for two totally different things. And that’s the same with your corn. You know, over hundreds of years, varieties that produce more were used. So genetic modification. Yeah. There’s some things they’re doing with them that obviously you couldn’t get through nature. That gets us into the, you know, chemical usage on farms and people are afraid of that.

But by using GMO seeds, we’ve actually been able to reduce the amount of chemicals and we’re able to use less toxic chemicals than we used to. So. Oh, that’s a good thing because. Because we’re using more than we are when they use nothing, but we’re using less than. Than we were when they were starting to really get into it. So. But my understanding is that the soils. You’re probably an excellent farmer and you’re. Yeah, but my understanding is that the farming methods, that the soils aren’t as nutritious, aren’t as dense with. With the minerals and things that it needs.

So the foods that are coming out in a lot of these farms don’t have the same nutritional value that they used to have when the soils were really rich and dense with minerals There. Again, this is nuanced, right? Yeah. You have to know what you’re doing. Absolutely. Can happen. Yes. Like, if you’re just growing corn on corn on corn and not rotation, rotating your crops, you’re going to strip nutrients out of the soil. But if you’re coming in a lot of the Midwest as corn and soy, so they’ll rotate out the corn, put the soy in, and the soy puts some of the nutrients back in.

But where you really start to build soil back is when you incorporate manure from cattle, from, you know, beef, which are cattle, pigs, chickens. Because then you’re getting the organic matter. You’re not just getting the nitrogen or the phosphorus, you’re getting the organic matter built back up in the soil, and that produces much better soil, which allows you to grow better crops. It holds. Do you think. But do you think you’re in a uniquely better spot by not just being a crop producer, but also being a dairy farmer and having a lot of animals? Because now you have a whole ecosystem on your farm.

Absolutely, yes, I think so. But there’s also. It’s hard to do. It’s hard when there’s no animals around and you have ground, you’re. We cannot produce enough organic fertilizers, organic things, to feed as many people as there are in the world. So the fact that we’ve learned how to produce synthetic fertilizers has allowed the human population to flourish to a degree that it never has been able to in the past. I mean, they used to go to war over manure. Now we don’t have wars over manure. Well, I know during COVID there was a huge problem getting the fertilizer, especially because it was coming out of.

What was it coming out of the eu. Canada, most likely. Was it Canada. And the rail lines were shutting down and they were struggling to get the fertilizer. And that was a massive problem. I remember, I remember writing articles about it and people were all freaked out. That’s a big learning lesson from being dependent on other countries, right? Yep. And yeah, like potash. I think Canada’s like, I’m probably butchering this, but I think it’s like 60% of the potash we use in the United States comes from north of the border. And that’s gone up because we used to get it out of Russia and Ukraine.

But the situation over there has caused, you know, supply chain issues. So, yeah, global economy. We’re a global ecosystem. Right. And we have to be able to work with each other. Actually. It’s a kind of a good thing, like being, having suppliers and even from Chumminga, you know, you, you have customers and back and forth. Customers back and forth with countries around the world. Decreases war because you get to know people. Absolutely. Yeah. And you’re less likely to go to war with somebody that, you know, you’re either getting a product from or they’re buying a product from you, or you’re getting a product that can’t be made unless the.

Some of their stuff is coming from a different country, you know, I mean, you don’t want to bomb your supplier. Right. It’s like. Or your biggest customer. Like, I can. I know. Then I’m. I’m out of business. Yeah. I mean, it has made. And it’s just made the whole world more comfortable. That’s true. And. And people that are comfortable are less likely to cause issues too. That’s right. Yeah. When you’re hungry, starvation is what causes revolutions more than anything else. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, as a farmer, that’s how important farming is. Right. I mean, that’s civil unrest.

Number one reason is lack of food. And so I think it’s like absolutely. Three days. Three days without food and people are ready to just tear it all down more than any other issue. Yeah. It’s incredible. Okay, where do people follow you? I am TDF, that’s Till McDerry, Farmer TDF. Honest farming on Instagram and Facebook. I am at Derek Josey on X. I also have a YouTube channel, but I always forget to post on there, so you won’t see much on there. Okay, well, I will share that and thank you so much for joining the program.

This is the, these are the kind of, kind of conversations we need to have more of where people learn the nuances of what’s really going on. Yeah. Because everybody has a hot take, but it is. We have really smart people that negotiate trade all the time. And I’ll be honest, I reached out to a couple of them to talk about, you know, the Canada, the U. And U.S. and especially the dairy industry, because I wanted to make sure I was up to snuff before coming on your show. Because they do it every day. Yep, yep. You live it because that’s your business.

And so you get to experience the effects of it. Which is what I wanted to hear. A personal experience. Sometimes the people who are negotiating, the terrorists, they don’t. They. They miss that. They don’t. They don’t. It’s all theoretical for them. So, yeah, they’ve got the thousand foot view, whereas. Yes. Yeah. So it’s important to get. And they should be talking. They don’t always talk to the people on the ground. And that is why we’re in a lot of it. That’s why we have some of the situations we have. Yep. So. Well, thank you so much for joining the program.

I really appreciate it. You’re welcome. Thanks for having me.
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