PDiddy Trial Exposes Domestic Violence while Protecting Deeper Corruption w/ Attorney Joe Nierman

➡ Sam Sa attends high-profile trials like the Diddy trial to provide a unique perspective to his audience, different from mainstream media. He also promotes a skincare line, Mimi n I M I, and hosts a podcast where he discusses these trials in depth. He interviews New York litigator Joe Nearman, who also covers these trials and provides his own analysis. Sam also shares his concerns about surveillance company Paler and its government contracts.
➡ The speaker discusses their experience with YouTube, noting a decrease in subscribers after certain events, which they believe is not organic. They also talk about covering the Diddy trial, aiming to provide a unique perspective to their audience by breaking down the elements of the crime, the strategies of the defense and prosecution, and the judge’s decisions. The speaker expresses dislike for both Diddy, who they describe as a terrible person, and the charges brought against him by the state, which they believe are not aligned with his alleged actions. They criticize the use of RICO and sex trafficking charges, arguing that they are being misused in this case.
➡ The article discusses allegations of sex trafficking against a man, who is accused of manipulating women into degrading situations without financial gain. The prosecution is accused of focusing on securing convictions while avoiding implicating any high-profile individuals potentially connected to the case. The article also criticizes the media’s naivety and willingness to accept the actions of those in power without question. The author suggests that this approach serves a harmful agenda and dismisses any evidence to the contrary as anomalies.
➡ The speaker discusses their experience observing the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, praising the high level of litigation skills displayed by both the defense and prosecution teams. They also commend Judge Allison Nathan for her handling of the case, noting her insistence on transparency in the presentation of evidence. The speaker then discusses the flight logs related to the case, stating that neither Donald Trump nor Bill Clinton ever visited Epstein’s island according to the documents they’ve seen. The speaker also briefly mentions meeting Alan Dershowitz, but does not provide any definitive information about his involvement in the case.
➡ The speaker discusses the controversy surrounding Epstein’s death and the potential corruption within the FBI. They question how Epstein became a billionaire and who he might have been blackmailing. They also express disappointment in the lack of transparency from the FBI and suggest that the agency might be protecting the CIA for political reasons. The speaker hopes for a cleanup of these institutions to restore public trust.
➡ The text discusses a controversial case involving a celebrity named Diddy. The case is complex and opinions are divided, with some journalists believing he’s guilty of sex trafficking, while others disagree. The women involved in the case have described abusive behavior, but also refer to Diddy as their partner or lover. The text suggests that Diddy’s celebrity status and manipulative behavior may have influenced these women’s decisions and feelings towards him.
➡ A man is accused of physically and sexually abusing a woman, who despite the abuse, returns to him due to his psychological control over her. The man is also suspected of other serious crimes, but authorities are only pursuing domestic violence charges. Critics argue this approach minimizes his other alleged offenses and fails to deliver true justice. The situation is seen as deeply troubling and disappointing by those discussing it.

Sam Sa why am I going to the Diddy trial? Because I knew that people would want to hear about the Diddy trial and that very few people are going to get to see it. And I know that whoever is covering it, it’s going to be legacy media. You’re going to have a few fans type who are going to go there screaming, he’s innocent, he’s innocent. There’s video of him, you know, shooting three people in the head. And I know that you’ll have legacy media there and they have their agenda. And I feel like when I go in there, I’m able to break down for my audience in a different type of way than anyone’s even trying to do.

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And I ask him some good questions. I think they’re good questions on what should the government be covering and what are they covering up. Of course, Comey’s daughter is the litigator and what does that mean and why. And then we also talk about, you know, people who actually defend P. Diddy. Who in their right mind would defend a guy like this? He’s just awful. And he’s going to share, especially at the end, he starts sharing some of the things that are coming out in court that’s a little more sensitive and he’s just a, he’s just a gross guy.

But it looks like the New York litigators, Comey’s daughter looks like she’s protecting the people. She looks like she’s protecting the blackmail operation and only putting up his domestic violence and his, his gross ways and how he treats women. And that’s all they’re putting on the stand, not any of the blackmail. And we’re going to talk about this. And I think most of the people who’ve been studying Diddy and what really came out are going to be disgusted at that. And, and she was the same litigator for Maxwell and it looks like it’s just, you know, she’s the one they trot out when they need to cover for the blackmail ring that’s going on.

I mean that’s what it looks like. So we’re going to talk about that. And then of course we go off on stray tangents that are interesting. But I think you’ll like this one. He’s a smart guy. Before we get into that, I want to remind you that I have my substack. I’m posting some exclusives content there. I just did one on Paler. I believe that there’s something weird with Paler and I, I dive into it on not it’s. It is a surveillance company and they do have contracts with the government. They are contracting with the, the NSA and the FBI and the CIA and it is a big tech, you know, guy doing it.

But I lay out that this stuff has been going on for decades and I talk about all the different programs and my just I question it. So if you want to listen to my analysis on that, I go to Sarah Wessel substack.com I just put it up last night and hopefully you will get some insight and start to recognize when things are just Too simplified. And why is this happening? Maybe it’s to disclose the whole surveillance state, you know, and to put some, shed some light on that in, in that direction, I, hey, if you can shed some light on it, that’s great, but it seems like a limited hangout as far as I’m concerned and that they’re ignoring kind of the bigger apparatus behind all this.

So I, you know, I, I just wish they’d be better and people would point out the bigger apparatus. I’ve been covering it for Deck, you know, for not decades, almost 15 years I’ve had the NSA whistleblowers on Bill Binney, Kirkwebe, you know, other people who were whistleblowers talking about this. And then, so then when I see this come out acting like it’s only that, it’s like, wait a minute, something’s missing with this story. So if you’re interested in that again, Sarah Westall, that’s substack.com. okay, let’s get into this really interesting conversation about the P. Diddy and many other trials with Joe Nearman.

Hi, Joe, welcome to the program. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. Well, I, I’m really glad you’re here. I think your expertise on this P. Didy trial is something that’s missing for most people. And so I’m really excited to talk to you about this. Before we get into it, can you tell people your background? Yeah. My name is Joseph Nearman. I have a YouTube channel. I’m a New York litigator. I’m practicing since 99, so past my 25 year mark. And I turned into a podcaster roughly three years ago where I have a nightly show called Good Logic, which is spelled L, A, W, G, I C.

The logic in there. And I talk about law and politics and I’ll sometimes cover cases and I try to basically break down and simplify while also making entertaining what is going on in the world in those two arenas specifically. And you. There’s a lot. Right. And you are currently actually going to the P. Diddy trial. Why do you think this trial is important? That’s a good question. Why. Why is this trial important enough for you to go to it and actually invest your effort? I’ll be very, I’ll be very frank with you. I. I’m a conservative podcaster.

I find that most traditional media, when you’re talking about YouTube X is obviously much better now. They don’t like my content. They don’t like mine either, so they hate my content. I will literally have subs. People Come to me and say I was unsubscribed from me. I was unsubscribing you. I had a career trajectory. This is the way my trajectory works on YouTube. I’ll cover a trial, either live streaming it or attending it. I much prefer live streaming. It’s much easier than having to run down to downtown New York. And I’ll get growth. I’ll get thousand.

I’ll go up, depending on how big and important the public views the trial. So I’ll get some growth. So, for example, during the Rittenhouse trial, I went from having a thousand subs to having 20,000 subs. I went from 20 to 40 during the. Or maybe I’m sorry I went before I got it out of order. I think I’m losing track. It’s going back three or four years. But I had. Okay, I had the Glenn Maxwell trial, and that got me to 20. Then. Then Rittenhouse got me from 20 to 40. Then the debt trial got me to 40 to 80 or 85.

And. And then I stagnate there. And unless I hit on a trial that the public wants to know about, I will have no growth. Quite the contrary. I will have a steady decline of anywhere every day of 10 to 30 people who get unsubbed from me. So I see basically a continual steady. It’s like a slope. It’s a death by a thousand needles. Well, that’s because you know what it is, because I’ve been analyzing this for years, because it’s been affecting me for years. You are always getting those unsubs, even when those growth periods, you are also being persecuted like that.

The thing is, is in those growth periods, you’re getting so many more people that it overwhelms their decrease. Yes, yes. That’s a hundred percent. It’s 100% correct. I even notice after I get like a big increase for the next couple of days, I call it YouTube tithing, where they’ll basically take off a lot more subs. I know that when I finish with this trial, I’m going to lose like 3 or 500 subs that will just. Just be gone within a snap. That’s just the way. That’s the way they operate, and they’ve always operated that with me.

I know it cannot possibly be organic for a couple of reasons. Number one, when it comes to my content on X, it’s just a steady, slow upward. I never see down. No one who goes to YouTube to unsubscribe. And you need to have 10 to 30 new people every day decide I’m unsubscribing from that guy. That’s not normal. There are people I see X on X. I agree with you on X. I see myself sometimes go down, but I, I think it’s because you’re too good, you’re too credible, you’re too good. And that those are the people, you know, I, I think that’s why I’m.

I think if you’re credible, you’re smart, you’re good, you’re professional, they, those are the ones that, if they attack us more, I think that’s what it is. I appreciate the comment. Thank you. So, yeah, anyway, so the. Why am I going to the Diddy trial? Because I knew that people will want to hear about the Diddy trial and that very few people are going to get to see it. And I know that whoever is covering it, it’s going to be legacy media. You’re going to have a few fans type who are going to go there screaming, he’s innocent.

He’s innocent. There’s video of him, you know, shooting three people in the head. And I know that you’ll have legacy media there and they have their agenda. And I feel like when I go in there, I’m able to break down for my audience in a different type of way than anyone’s even trying to do. And by that I mean specifically I’m going to, I’m going to break down. Here are the elements of the crime, here’s how the state is trying to prove it. Here are the steps that they’re taking. Here’s the strategy that we see of the defense.

Here is the effect of the positive work of the judge or bad calls. What I call, you know, a bad decision by a judge or questionable decisions by a judge. This judge has actually been pretty good so far. And then I’ll also try and present, especially because in New York, our trials are not viewable by the, by the public. So I’ll try to present them with what the vibe in the jury room is, because I look at us as being an alternative jury pool. Because we’re watching. Same thing the jury’s watching. And whatever they’re picking up and how they’re reacting, maybe sometimes out loud, is a reflection of what the jury is probably thinking inside.

So I think that by sharing that with my audience, I’m giving them some sort of insight as to whether or not, you know, the state is, whether the state’s winning or the ditty’s winning and what’s a good day for one or Two, you know, or bad day for that party. Well, that’s what I feel like I can bring to them and give them perspective on that. So what do you think overall as we dive into the details of this thing? What do you think overall of this Diddy trial? Do you think that the government is going after Diddy in the way that.

That they should be? And I mean, what do you think? And what are your views on Diddy after sitting there listening to this? So I tell my audience regularly that I can remain objective in this trial because I really hate both sides. I really. If you. You cannot sit through this trial, even through opening statements, the defense’s own opening statements, when they talk about Diddy, you sit through that and you’re like, wow, this guy is scum. They talk about how he’s. You’re going to see a lot of domestic violence here. You’re going to see that he hits women when he gets angry, he hits women when he gets on, when he’s jealous, he has women when he’s on drugs.

But please bear in mind that this is not the domestic violence case. This is about sex trafficking in rico. So you need to keep that separate and understand that unless you know that these women were all strong, independent women. When it’s. When. When the defense is opening up by telling me that this is a guy who physically and emotionally and psychologically batters women, that’s what you’re saying about your own clients. I’m like, this guy is a freaking monster. He’s a self absorbed, crazy. He’s a terrible human being. So he’s a very easily detestable person, talented as he may be, as hardworking as he may be, but that he’s just a terrible, terrible human being who treats everyone around him, men and women, like they’re dirt.

So it’s very easy to hate this guy. On the other hand, when I look at the charges that were brought by the States, it’s very easy for me to feel a deep bitterness towards the way Maureen Comey and the Southern District of New York has brought this case. Because the nature of the charges that they brought here are very different from the conduct that Diddy has allegedly engaged in. By example, okay, there’s five charges here. There’s one RICO charge, there’s two sex trafficking charges, and then there’s. And then there’s two charges of interstate transportation for the purposes of engaging in illegal sexual activity.

So they break it down for us in opening statements like this that the RICO charge is that if he’s part of an ongoing pattern of a criminal enterprise that’s engaging in multiple types of crimes over extended period of time. That. That is rico. And when I hear that, I think to myself, okay, so RICO was passed in 1970, and the reason for RICO is to try to stop the mob. And I don’t really like when the state tries reinventing that and saying that, okay, we’re trying to attach RICO charges to Trump because of the election thing that happens in Georgia.

Like, this is the whole point to RICO is that people are trying to racketeer, they’re trying to get money, and they’re trying to shake people down, and they’re trying to intimidate people. That’s what racketeering is. Don’t tell me that, because you have two people who work together in association with each other, and one time they. And one time they end up doing something which they want to call bribery. Another time they do something which you’re telling me is they’re having drugs with each other, and you want to call that drug trafficking, and boom, we have rico.

To me, that’s a complete reinvention of what RICO is. And I don’t like the idea of the state and prosecutors trying to take what Congress has passed as a statute and then try turning that into, like, how can I go after this guy? Because that, to me, feels like you’re trying to target someone. And even if he’s a monster, I don’t like the idea that these people who have. The prosecution, who has more power than anyone to carry guns, to go and execute the laws of this nation, decide who they want to punish, that they should be able to start now, reinventing statutes.

And the sex trafficking statutes are way worse in my mind. To me, this is a complete inversion of why the sex trafficking charges, which is 18 USC 1591, was passed in 2000 by Congress. So if you just sort of take a moment and you ask yourself, what is. What is sex trafficking? If I ask you right now, Sarah, tell me, why do you. What do you think sex trafficking charge is? What do you think that. That they’re trying to stop? Well, I would think it’s. It’s taking people against their will. Kind of like slavery, but for sex.

Yeah. Yes, exactly, exactly. So, like, you know, you pay. What do you. What do you envision, you vision some operation where some guy or a group of people will find homeless kids, Right. Or illegals, and basically chain them up, lock them into place, then bring in all these sleazy people to have sex with them, and then they charge them Money. And what they’re basically doing is it’s a commercial operation. They want to try and. They want to try and basically SAP and butcher or degrade the life out of these. These court victims for their own financial benefits.

And, you know, and basically milking whatever financial benefit these people are viewed to have by these scummy people who want to have sex with them. And milking that and forcing them to do that in that type of slavery. Exactly right. That’s what trafficking was supposed to be in 2000. And you’re saying that they’re not putting evidence forward? Because my understanding is that he was doing that and the prosecution is not putting that evidence forward. Or do you believe he wasn’t? I mean, what do you think based on what you’re seeing? So what we’re seeing is this.

They explained to us that sex trafficking is of two of his girlfriends, the first one being Cassie Ventura from 2007 to 2018. And the other one is a woman who, for purposes of anonymity, they’re referring to as Jane from 2021 to 2024. But the nature of what he’s doing is completely the opposite of what a sex slave trafficker is. Under the statute, that person wants money. Their whole motivation is they want the commercial sex of it. They would never give this away for free. Right. They would never let people come in and have for free. The point that they want is that they’re going to milk the financial value of sex from these poor slaves.

That’s why they’re sex trafficking. So when Congress passes the statute, they have to write a statute which has elements so that. That way you can define what the crime is. So they write this statute in 2000, which is a reasonable and proper statute that Congress passed, which says the two elements are you’re forcing someone into sex against their will, and that is for commercial. It’s commercial sex. So now we have these two elements. It’s got to be commercial sex. And a participant is forced against their will. Now, in this type of context, sex trafficking really means that the person who is valued in the commercial sex, the one who’s getting paid money, is the one who’s being forced.

That’s what you. That’s what’s happening in a sex slave type of situation. Right? You kidnap someone, that person is valued, and you’re selling off their values and taking their money. That’s what. That’s where your typical sex trafficking is. But over here, it’s the person who’s being forced is the woman, and the person who’s being valued, who’s being paid is the guy who’s having sex with her. Well, this is what is. Is a disconnect for me and for people who’ve been following this situation before it got to trial, because there are witnesses and people coming forward that were saying that PDD was involved in real sex trafficking with children and with other vic.

Real victims. But then the trial comes forward and it’s really this vanilla situation of him being just a domestic abuser, a scumball, fetish, weird, weird guy who’s putting his. Who basically the. What he does. We’ve seen from both Cassie and Jane. He’s really effective at making women feel so deeply attached to him that they are perfectly willing to degrade themselves, get beaten by him, be humiliated by him, get practically not very little, if any financial benefit out of it, and serve as basically being drugged up beyond belief, all at the same time professing how much they love him.

Like people would call the Stockholm syndrome type of thing, but, you know, that basically that they’re willing to degrade themselves for him. And that’s. That’s. That’s the nature of what’s going on here. I’ve heard a lot of chatter about what you were just making reference to, which is that, you know, that. That there are kids that he basically would take to these crazy parties, and there’s all sorts of rumors and stories out there, videotapes that he has of different people and things of that nature. And I was talking to one guy today in court because we journalists, you know, which I guess I’m technically a journalist now.

We talk amongst ourselves and. And you know, and he was telling me that he. He’s been following Diddy for the last 35 years. And this guy has. Has been blackmailing people left and right with the crazy type of sexual activity. Yep. Yep, that’s what we’re hearing. Yeah. I personally haven’t been following him. I don’t know. I mean, I think there’s enough smoke there that I’m be shocked if there wasn’t. So why do you think the government. So why isn’t the government bringing this information forward? That’s why people are questioning. That’s easy. Okay, well, talk about. Because that’s the story.

The story is the government’s spinning this to make it look like a nothing burger when. Why are you not bringing this stuff forward? It’s the exact same thing I saw when I covered the Blaine Maxwell trial a few years back, which is the Glenn Maxwell trial. There was. It was. Being. There was the same prosecutor, Maureen Comey. And her objective is to try and get her convictions while at the same time keeping every celebrity politician, famous name completely out of it. She’s the go to expert at doing this now. Yes, she really is. And to be fair, to be fair, I tell everyone who just hates on her and thinks that this is evidence that there’s pure corruption everywhere.

If you’re someone who’s running the Southern District in New York, you’re gonna have a hard time finding an attorney who is more effective at litigating than Maureen Comey. She is a shark in the courtroom. She genuinely is very good at litigating. I’ve seen a lot of litigators, okay? And I put her easily in the top 5% of all litigators I’ve ever seen in my life. She’s that talented. She’s really talented lawyer, but she also is James Comey’s daughter. Very talented at swinging and being very good at doing that, but not covering. So that makes her even better.

When I say talented, I mean talented as a lawyer. I mean that the way she’ll ask questions, I mean that. But she’s also very talented at, basically, I’m going to reinvent a brand new statue. I’m going to reinvent the sex trafficking. And she’s very talented at saying, let’s keep out any names who are involved here and still get a conviction. So she’s perfect for what the Southern District New York is looking for, because the liberals in New York want convictions, but they also don’t want people who they like to be embarrassed. So that’s why she’s, she’s in the perfect place for what they want.

So they want to get him on the trafficking because that’s what he’s doing. But they don’t want to get any of the other high powered elite people in gay, you know, sucked into it. So they want to take him down for what he’s really doing without exposing the whole network. Now, that’s what, that’s what. I’m a little bit of a cynic. So that’s what I would say. I mean, I was talking to someone because I said, we journalists talk amongst these, right? So I actually was talking to a woman who covers for NBC, okay. And she, and she speculates, she’s like, well, how.

Assuming that there’s truth to those claims, how do you know if they have any evidence of that? Maybe they couldn’t find any evidence to prove and these are the charges they could prove. And I was like, all right, look, I Understand why, you understand why you work for NBC. I get it. I mean, I’m being polite. I’m very polite and there’s no reason for me to spit in this woman’s face. But I think that’s what the classic liberal. I think that’s how they really think. I think they assume that the people who are in positions of power are motivated to act for good.

They really believe that they’re the good guys. They’re really naive. I think they’re very naive. Yes. 100% crazy naive. Because if they don’t accept that, if they don’t latch onto that and grip onto that tightly, they feel then their entire lives become unraveled, that everything you’re doing is serving a terrible agenda. So they have to grip onto that. And whenever they see evidence that what they’re serving here is a false idol, they will quickly dismiss that as a one off and be all shocked. I can’t believe that we were lied to about the science. I can’t believe that there was this, this incident that happened that, that, that, you know, with this political scandal.

Oh my God, what an utter shock. No one would ever thought such a thing. That like, wow, we were really wrong about, about, about the shot. That’s. We, you know, can’t even believe it. We see this over and over again and they, and they really, they, I think they really trick themselves because otherwise, how can you live a life that you feel is incomplete, completely contradictory and, and just so you sort of smell your own evilness. How useful is that? It’s so you. It’s so useful and stupid. It’s so useful to be able to use people like that.

Yeah. You know, and these people are happy to be used that way. That’s what I’m saying. Is this reporter for NBC, she seems like she’s a genuinely a good person and she wants to accept, you know what I’m saying? I do. That’s exactly right. Yes. She’s not, she, she’s not someone who’s trying to hurt people. And she thinks that people on the other side of the aisle are just suckers who fell for some con game from the Republicans or for Trump or stuff like that. That’s how she looks at, you know, she’s like, wow, I can’t believe these people are so stupid and so unenlightened and they didn’t go to college like me.

They don’t understand things like me. They really believe it. I know they really believe it. They think we’re conspiracy theorists, even though it seems that conspiracy the conspiracies that we’ve been talking about seem to come true. Six months. Yeah. Yeah. Conspiracy theory just means next week’s headline. Exactly. That’s exactly. Okay, so you covered the Ghislaine Maxwell case, which really, for those of us who have some deep understanding of. Of that, how frustrating was it for you to watch that in court? So again, I mean, you have to understand my background is I’m a litigator. And the same way, you know how like the NBA gets a lot of views and the WNBA doesn’t.

And it’s because. It’s because I saw something which was really funny, was like they said the WNBA wrapped up in 12 seconds and this woman is inbounding the ball and she inbounds it to just completely 30ft from the nearest turn teammate to a different team. And so the other team basically steals the ball, takes two dribbles and clangs off the, you know, air balls or misses the shot like entirely. Well, it’s like. And I’m going to, I’m going to defend the. The women’s sports are getting a hell of a lot better. Especially I coached hockey and I just watch.

I’m sorry. I’m so better. They’re getting so. Yeah, I bring this up, but I get it. I get it. And I think, I think conservative men need to play against some of these really good women, women who’ve been trained properly from the time that they’re little, and they will have start to have a different opinion. It’s a, It’s a mental, it’s a cultural thing. It’s a mental thing. We’re not as strong, we’re not physically as big, but man, they can get really freaking good. Look at the Olympic gymnasts and everything else. But I get your point, so keep going.

No, so the point I’m trying to get at is. Let’s get to your point. I get it. No one pays to go to a Little League game. Okay. I should have used that instead of women. I apologize for going off in that tangent. No one pays for a Little League game. You’re going because you want to see the best of the best. That’s what you want to see. So. Because that’s enjoyable to watch people who are good at their crap do their thing. And I’ll tell you that the litigation skills of the defense team in Ghislaine Maxwell and the.

And the U.S. attorneys for the state was such high level that is so hard to nitpick and find fault with almost anything they did. That in that sense it was a pleasure to watch. And even Judge Allison Nathan, who handled that case, who was the last case before she got moved up to the Second Circuit, you know, and I’ll tell you right now, she’s a Very clearly. She’s. She’s a. She’s very strongly lgbtqia. And I’ll tell you right now, she’s a phenomenal judge. She’s great at what she does. She’s not a DI Hire just because she happens to, you know, identify.

So. So because she’s. She was. That’s good that you’re pointing that out, because just because people are. That doesn’t disqualify them either. I think that’s important, and I think people automatically do that. And that’s not. That’s just. I mean, we got to stop doing stuff like that. But keep 100. I agree with you 100% on that. And that’s why the only reason I mentioned it was because of exactly the point you were making. I didn’t have to mention that she was gay, but I. I threw it out there. So people. To make exactly the point you were just making.

At the end of the trial, Judge Nathan said, like, compliment. She said, I want to extend my compliments to both the defense and the prosecution for the way they conduct themselves throughout this trial. They were both. Both just an incredibly incredible display of an incredible litigation skills and professionalism by both. By both teams. And I just wanted to thank you for being a preserve of this case. I never seen a judge compliment, and I thought the comment was completely apt. They were great. So I enjoyed watching it. But Judge Alison Nathan at one point critiqued Maureen Comey when she’s putting up the flight list for.

For. For the thing. And it’s just black lines all over the whole names, like, all the names. Aside from, like, two people, there’s just black one, black one, black one. And Judge Nathan, to her credit, Judge Nathan’s like, why is everyone’s name blacked out here? And. And Maureen Comey goes, well, we wanted to protect these girls from having their identities revealed. So she goes to them, black out their names. None of the other names should be blacked out. She demanded that Maureen Comey un. Redact the name and put it up as official record. To her credit, that’s what Judge Nathan did.

But did it happen? Yeah, it did. That’s where we got the flight logs. Everyone. We all saw it. I’m sitting there and I’m writing down. I’m trying to see, okay, Trump is on. I’ll tell you Right now he’s on like eight flights or so. Every one of them was from Palm beach to New Jersey, New Jersey to Palm Beach. Like, he used Epstein’s plane a handful of times, the way you would borrow someone’s car. He’s never gone to the island, according to the documents that you have seen. I have seen. I’ve seen the documents. I’ll tell you right now, Clinton never went to the island either.

Bill Clinton never went to the island either. They used to fly from Palm beach to Jamaica or to a different one of the islands, and then they would take a helicopter from there because there was no Runway big enough on Epstein. Okay, but that he still went to the island. But Trump never. No, no, Clinton never went to the island. No, he’s not. Could you have gone there? Okay, hold on. Different from Trump is that he went on this lengthy tour around Southeast Asia for like which people say that that is a hotbed of activity for illegal, minor type of activity.

So he was. He didn’t go to Epstein island, but he was hopping around Thailand and all these different Southeast Asian countries that they say the only reason that wealthy people go there is to feed a very twisted appetite. So that’s why people speculate about the connection. There’s in an Epstein type of realm with Bill Clinton, but not that Bill Clinton was at the island because there’s no. I didn’t see any flight logs of him going to Jamaica or any Bahamas or St. John’s or any of those islands. Okay, I gotta be real with you. No, that’s great.

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Yeah. In court. I was like. He gave me his card. I was like. As I just like, I turned, he turned. We hit on a corner. I was like, hey, you’re Alan Dershowitz. And he just sort of smiled. He looks so old. He looks so old. He seems very older. Yeah, he seems really. He seems like a frail old man. I actually was talking to him about bringing him on the show. I. I don’t. I don’t remember. I. If I. If I remembered, I don’t want to just definitively say one way or another, because I don’t remember for sure, and I certainly don’t want to misinform anyone.

So I don’t know. I don’t. I don’t know. Okay. He swears. He’s like, I will. He’s like, anyone who has evidence I’ve ever done anything like that, I will. I’m gonna. I’ll sue them because, you know, tell me what it is. Because it’s completely. He claims it’s complete defamation. So I don’t know. So I’m not gonna weigh it. I’m not gonna weigh it on Dershowitz at all. I’m just telling you that those folks did not go. Did not go to the island. Dershowitz knows a lot because he was his attorney. So he knows a lot. Yeah, yeah.

So he was. Yeah, he knows a whole lot. Can I weigh in with you for a moment about the Epstein situation? That’s going on right now. No, that’s. Yeah. What’s going on right now? Okay. What bothers me is this. You got. We all were championing Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and properly so because they spent years being a voice of so many People who are genuine, true, conservative, patriot Americans and speaking out for the people and saying things that we were all thinking, feeling, and what we were hoping to see how our country can go back on the right path, that is.

And they well earned the admiration, respect of millions of tens of millions of people, myself included. When Cash Patel’s name was thrown out there to be the head of the FBI, I labeled him as perhaps the most significant appointment in American history because he has an opportunity to fix such a corrupt agency and to complain. An agency that should be there doing good. And he’s talking about closing down the FBI and doing all these different steps. And I said, if this guy gets in there, this could be the most significant appointment in American history. I mean, there’s not many employments they would consider it significant, but this is one that really could be completely revitalizing and otherwise unfortunately, corrupt agency that I don’t think the agents, most of them are corrupt.

I think the people at the top are really corrupt. And the first thing that comes out of them is Epstein killed himself. Trust me, bro. And you know, it was very, very disheartening and to see Dan Bongino sitting next to him and he’s like, he killed himself. So why do you think they did that though? Because some people are speculating that they were blackmailed themselves or something and that they actually did it out of fear or. I mean, I don’t know. I had Kyle Seraphin. Yeah, no, Kyle Seraphin said to me, well, in, in one way, Epstein could have killed himself, but he might have been forced to.

Like, if you don’t kill yourself, then we’ll do all these other bad things. But I’m like, well, if that happened, then that’s not really suicide as far as I’m concerned. But, but you know, I’ve had FBI people on who said there’s no way that that person on the gurney was Epstein because his ears were different and stuff. So when you go and analyze, I’ve heard that his jaw. Yeah, I’ve heard, I’ve heard his jaw. That to break his jaw would require 300 pounds of pressure. And he’s a 200 pound man. So even if he jumped up and tried landing, his jaw would not have broken.

Like, but it was stuff like that. And the only way that can happen is if someone who weighs over 100 pounds is tugging him down. Like, that’s the only way it could happen. So I have a lot of questions about, about, about that. But here’s, here’s the thing. So if they want to come out. And let’s just assume that despite all the misgivings that many of us have about. About him killing himself, let’s assume that somehow we’re all wrong, Some crazy thing happened, and he actually did run away to kill himself. That what makes Epstein an interesting person is not whether or not he died in his cell.

It’s what was he doing with his life? How did he get this money? Who. How did he have this circle of people? Who was he blackmailing? We hear about tens of thousands of videos, people that he was. That. That he has. Was blackmailing. Why can’t. If you want to be upfront with us, don’t tell us that. You tell us there’s nothing down the file about his death. Tell us what he was doing, his life. Go through his FBI files. Tell me, was he involved? The FBI, the CIA, Mossad, MI6? How did he get his money? If you don’t want to tell us about his death, then.

And you tell it, you’re claiming you’re being transparent, then the FBI certainly has a file on this guy, some file, and whatever that file is, why don’t we. I don’t need to have the file. On his last days on Earth. I wanted the file about the previous 15, 20 years of his life, how this guy went from nothing to becoming a billionaire. I think they’re protecting the CIA, and I think they’re protecting it for political reasons, because they need them for other operations. I think there’s more going on. All this stuff happened 20 years ago. I know, but I think that’s what’s happening.

I think they’re protecting the integrity of the CIA because they have other ongoing operations. And that’s the blackmail and the. The dance. I’m get. I’m theorizing, but from people I talk to. That’s kind of where a lot of us are thinking is that there’s something more going on that they’re protecting or Assad or something. They’re protecting these other operations. But I don’t know. I mean, that’s a theory. This was such. It was such a rare opportunity for them to say, here’s the corruption we found in the FBI before we came in here, and this is what we found.

And we’re going to be transparent with you and let you know that this type of thing is not going to happen in the FBI anymore. And this is. And this is why he ended up getting such a ridiculously stupid sweetheart deal in 2009 when Alex Costa ends up giving him a year and a Half a year and a half of visiting a prison on a nightly basis and leaving whenever the hell he wants. And. And two immunity deals. Three immunity deals. I mean, the ridiculous deal that he got when his guy was trafficking thousands of. Of kids.

It’s insane. And here’s what. Here’s where the corruption was, and we’re gonna. And that’s how you clean house. That’s how you start over. That’s how you say, it’s a new day. This is not happening anymore in the FBI. That’s what we were all praying to happen. So if, in fact he killed himself, you can say, look, if there is evidence that he. That he. That he was murdered, that’s been shredded. We can’t find that. But here’s what we know about his life. You know what I’m saying? 100 agree. We got to clean up these institutions because the average person has no trust in them.

It’s like, hello, if you do some of these things, you will create a trust in the American people that is better than now. I don’t. The trust in the American people is so low that you could do a few things, and it would be. It would, you know, triple. Yeah. And that’s why I actually tweeted out the day after that interview. I said, don Patton Bonjino, the podcaster of six months ago, would have called BS on Don Bondino of yesterday. But that means there’s something else going on. That means there’s something else going on, because I don’t.

I don’t. Maybe I’m wrong, but it doesn’t seem like he lacks that much integrity. I. I don’t know. He seems like the most integrity. He seems like he has a lot of integrity. So I think there’s something else going on. And. And that he is weighing out options. Or there’s. I mean, there’s. You can convince almost anybody to do something if there’s bigger issues that’ll happen if you don’t. Yeah, I guess so. You know, I mean, it sucks, but that’s kind of the. The way it is. And. I don’t know, but it’s like person after person does this, and so they have to figure out a way to come clean and do some of these things while still protecting whatever the heck they’re protecting.

And I hope that. God, it’s not just protecting powerful people. That’s not good, right? I mean. Yeah, I hope so, too. But what’s. You know, what’s even scarier is the notion that there are people who are sufficiently powerful that they could legitimately threaten. Successfully threatened the head of the FBI. That’s pretty scary, for sure. Yeah, that’s pretty scary. I’m sure that. Yeah, yeah. And they could probably threaten anybody. Right. And if you could threaten the head of the FBI, who the hell can you not threaten? Well, I mean, the FBI might have been motivated for other reasons.

Let’s say he got there for other reasons and he just. Let’s just say that. But the, even the, the best person that you can find probably as something way that you can get. If I don’t. If you, if you do this, I’ll blow up Los Angeles or something. I don’t know. I’m just coming up with something. You might not say anything because you don’t want that to happen. You’re just, you’re just careful. Right? There’s probably a lot more going on. Scary was pretty. It’s pretty scary. Anyway, so. Okay, so what other. What any other insights you have on any of the other cases? This is fascinating.

People should be following you because you are providing insights that they’re not going to get elsewhere. And, you know, and you have the background as a New York litigator. So that’s what makes it really fascinating too, because you actually have the professional background. So what. What else do you want to share with people before we let you know, we finish? I’ll tell you this much with respect to Diddy, I mean, just land coming full circle back to these convictions. I really don’t know how this case is going to come out because it’s so perplexing. Even I go back and forth as to whether or not he’s by.

You know, I hate these charges. I think the most appropriate punishment for Diddy and for this corruptive prosecution, which has basically invented new types of laws. And the way they do, the way they approach it is they’ll be like, okay, we can find the dates of doing this element every time. Doing that element. Well, what crime would we make that equal up to? Even though, man, that’s how they come to the sex trafficking. I think the best punishment for both, for both sides here is if they had to retry this case over and over and over again for decades, that.

That would be perfect. Punish them both. Both sides. That you’re going to be stuck in a corner with each other for the rest of your lives. Because I. Because they’re both. They’re both. How would you be able to create that scenario? What, mistrials? I mean, how does that happen? Yeah, one mist, another you get a hung jury. I’LL tell you. Hey, Jane, is there are five charges. So there’s one rico, there’s two. Sex trafficking. I think I brought this down earlier. And, and the two sex trafficking is. One was Cassie Venture and the other is this woman Jane.

Jane is on cross examination. Just today she had a first day of cross examination. And I talked to these other journals. Some of them are like, this is the worst trafficking. He’s a monster. I can’t believe how he’s controlling her, is controlling her money, he’s giving her drugs, he beat her, he’s threatening blackmail, this fraud through inducement that he promised he was going to do things that he never had any intention of doing. And it’s obviously, obviously trafficking. And I’m in an elevator on the way downstairs right now with a whole other bunch of journalists and, and they’re like, there’s no way in hell this is sex trafficking.

Like, or like five, six people and depending. And each side seems to feel adamant about it. I cannot imagine that. But that’s what we see in this stupid ecosystem on the Internet is it’s like some people are just not understanding because it’s not human trafficking. Right. He really should be tried for those who crimes, he needs to be tried, but with different statutes. I’m simply saying he’s very easy to hate. And if you hate someone, you can, you’re going to try and find a basis to convict him. So. And that’s what that is. At the same time, he’s got a lot of fans, you know, and I can see, I can see this jury really, that people will dig their heels.

And I, I don’t know. Look, I could be proven totally wrong. Maybe three hours after they go start deliberating, they’ll come back with verdicts. But from what I’ve seen so far, there is passion on both sides amongst the journalist pool that’s watching this. So there, so there are people who, I don’t want to cut you off, but I need to, I need to understand there are people who are defending him. After hearing all this stuff, they’re still defending him because they like him. It’s not just that they like him, it’s just that they say, well, with respect to these two women, you have to realize they’re basically saying he beat me.

He’s, you know, he’s giving, he’s loaded me up with drugs. But they refer to him as my partner. They refer to him as my lover. Years later, they still talk about him. I mean, this Jane on the stand here, she’s like well, that’s what you do for your partner. So yeah, I was willing to do this. I wanted to please him because he’s my partner and that way I end up. He’ll have some alone time with me and I’ll give me quality time. So you can say that that’s a choice that, that they’re making and that they’re not compelled, but they’re making a choice that’s a stupid choice.

Maybe they’ve been hypnotized by him, but for one reason or another, they’re still in love with him. Cassie has been married for the last seven years and she talks about her time with him and she’s, she seems intelligent, but when she talks about her time with him, I really, I feel like if you ask, if you told her that she’s gonna have, she’s gonna lock him away for the rest of his life, she’d be like, that’s totally fine. Or she would just as soon have dinner with him next week. Do you think that people are like that because he’s a celebrity? They like the fame part of it? I think, I think, I think we might be underestimating the level of game.

He has an ability to manipulate people and perhaps he starts with a big advantage because he’s not just a rapper. He’s Diddy. He is it. He’s like, you know, it’s the celebrity thing. It’s a, he’s, he’s not just an a list celebrity. Like he’s considered someone who redefined his genre. So, so in that sense he’s, he’s, he’s bigger than life. And that, that definitely helps him start get. But these are not women who couldn’t get other rappers. You know, I’m saying they can get other rappers. They can get. These are women who are, who are, who are by objectively very pretty.

Big, big paid, big paid models. And they’re also not trash. He picks the ones who are refined and those are the ones that he treats like trash. What’s really interesting is if you look at his other girlfriends, some people he won’t, he’ll never do this type of activity with them. He finds the pretty refined, the pretty and refined flower, and that’s the one that he gets off on degrading and humiliating and, and, and at the same time, when they start being sad or angry at him to love bomb them and manipulate them back into like basically, you know, or guilt trip them.

He’s very good at being manipulative with them and making them assent to whatever that he’s asking. Is that a crime? If that’s a crime, you can make the argument that a lot of people. A lot of people in relationships end up doing that to someone that they’re supposed to care about. That’s true. It’s a psychotic connection. What do you call it? Your dependent and the control. I still don’t understand anybody. I don’t care how great somebody is. I. I don’t understand the celebrity. Oh, yeah, but I can see. Yeah. I don’t understand how you could like someone because of that.

That’s. That’s just not. It’s like, come on, people. Hello. But. But they are. So now, what are some of the things I’m gonna share with you? I’m gonna share with you two things. Okay. Two. Just that really underscore these women. Okay. We heard story yesterday of him. The only time he supposedly ever beat Jane two days later, beat her and then forced her to have a. A freak off and perform for him for hours, an hour and a half after he gave her the black eye and whatever. When he. When he’s asking her to perform, is it like sexually or is it actually like dancing? No, no, no.

When I say perform, I mean these freak opera hotel nights where she. It’s a. What he’s doing that is the sex trafficking. Just in case I wasn’t clear, I thought I should have been clear about this at the outset. Is he basically will hire a male escort, a dancer, a porn star, and have them come and have her get dressed up as sexy as possible and lingerie and all the other stuff, and pour oil on each other, start touching each other, engage in a sexual marathon that he’s directing and frequently videotaping while he sits there pleasuring himself.

And there would be a marathon that would last for 3 hours, 6 hours, 9 hours, 12 hours, 3 days, 5 days. Like literally for days at a time where they would have. Need IV fluid sometimes to keep going, and the room would be a wreck of oil and blood and. And other. And every fluid you can imagine coming from a human body. That’s what this guy was doing. You mean these women would go and they would have sex? The point where they were bleeding everywhere and they would. No, no, no, no, no. The bleeding, they said, was period blood.

Because he didn’t care about that. Just to. If that doesn’t. If you weren’t grossed out enough before. Yeah, so. Because he didn’t care what time of the month it was. So the point that I’m getting at is this. He literally beats a woman and and then has her do one of these freak offs and she’s like, she doesn’t talk to him for two days and then calls him back because she misses him too much after being forced to have sex for five days in a row. So that was, that was like a three hour thing. That was like a.

Basically that was like a three, that was a short one. So like basically he beats her. Beats or be like they had a physical fight with each other. He had, he’s like, get dressed and, and you know, get, and get some ice on your eye. There’s. Put your makeup on. And we’re going to call Anton down here. And, and ironically enough, after he’s called, he text Anton. He saw that there was one time she met Anton, that she had told us a story about how she met him and happened to bump into him. Which he claims there was nothing sexual about it.

But did he never believe that there wasn’t anything sexual about it. He thought that she went with him, this guy Anton, who she’s had sex with countless times in front of Diddy. She, he thought that there was one time that she met him and had sex with him without him being there. And she, he said, I can’t look at you anymore. You’re broken to me. And that’s why he broke up with her, because of that. It’s, it’s such. And this is with the guy who’s telling her when he meets her, I’m going to have other girlfriends.

That’s understand this. But he thinks that you had sex with this guy who I paid you to have sex with many, many times. I think you had sex with him one time without me. Now you’re broken. I can’t, I can’t look at you. It’s not the same for me. And he’s done with her. Like this is, this is the, the weird psychosis here. Well, but what is the psychosis of these women? I mean, these women are broken. I mean they’re broken before they even meet this guy. But Cassie Ventura claims she was raped the second to last time that she met him.

The second last time she saw him. She said that, you know, we were supposed to have a closure and have a nice final meeting. And I went back to my house and he basically threw me down. I’m screaming, no, no, no. And that he raped her and then he finished quickly and left. And then she met him again a month and that her boy, her current husband like was calling whilst that was happening and she didn’t tell him. And then a month later, she meets him for closure and consents to have sex with him. It’s like you can’t even understand the level of control he manages psychologically to get on these women.

I don’t know, at some point. See, now this is where I say these women who are like that, they’re also. They gotta get their. Together too. I don’t know what, you know, we. We Diddy’s awful and horrible, but there’s something wrong with them too. Knock it off. Exactly. So, Sarah, what you’re basically saying is, did they choose to do it and they’re just kind of screwed up in their head, in which case he’s not forcing them, in which case it’s not trafficking. I’m not a P. Diddy fan, but now I. I think these are the cases that if they.

If they decided to go after him for domestic violence and everything else. But they’re not going after the trafficking cases that I heard about. They’re going after just his two domestic partners we beat the crap out of. And his screwed up about the trafficking part that I heard of in the blackmail part. That was like the Epstein kind of stuff they’re staying away from. And that’s what I want to see. And that’s the disappointing part for my standpoint is that it’s an Epstein like case, but they’re burying it. Yeah. You know, I mean, that’s the story.

And. And it’s sad. It’s very. It’s. It’s. It’s. It’s very sad because if they actually cared about justice, you know, these women aren’t seeking justice. Neither of these women are seeking justice, but there are a lot of victims who undoubtedly are. And it’s sad. And. And it makes it like that the. The office is so. The southern district of New York is so political that they care about being able to say that they did the right thing. And in certain ways, it’s almost. It’s almost worse than doing nothing. Because imagine, Imagine if you have. You know, I hate to bring up the most extreme example.

Okay, but imagine if Adolf Hitler, right, Was. Was charged with that. He didn’t kill himself, and he goes to trial. And what do they try him for? They try him for. For domestic violence. You’d be like, that’s right. Yes. To all his actual victims. Even though it’s a real crime, and it’s a terrible thing that he did, but it’s like you’re. You’re make. By pretending that we held him up for justice for this, you end up invariably whitewashing all the far more terrible crimes that this person created. Because now you’re trying to pretend that justice was meted out against this guy when you never even bothered trying to get actual justice.

The COVID up force in the crime, a lot of times this is the COVID up. Yeah, it’s gross. Well, okay, so how to. It’s gross. How do people follow you? So you can find me on YouTube @GoodLogic or on Rumble @GoodLogic, which is spelled L, A, W, G, I C on X. I am at the following pro. And if you get confused about the name, it’s because my podcast that I have during the week, it’s called the following program. And that was too long, so I took off the gram and basically the following pro. So that’s where I am at X.

And everyone knows me as Good logic because that’s my YouTube channel. And you’ll see a little bit, a little cartoon picture of me with my NYPD hat, which is its own story as to how I got that. So. Okay, well, thank you. We’re gonna have to get that story at another time. Thank you so much for coming. And next time we have a trial to cover, or actually if this trial goes into a different direction, I have to have you back. Yeah, sure. Let’s do it. Thank you so much, Sarah. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. All right, take care.

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