Neurostrike Cognitive Targeting the New Tech Arms Race w/ Professor Armin Krishnan

➡ The article discusses the potential use of neuro weapons and directed energy weapons by countries like Russia and China, which could be responsible for the Havana Syndrome cases. It also introduces a product called Masterpiece, which is said to remove harmful substances from the body. The article then delves into the concept of 5th generation warfare, where traditional military methods are bypassed to control citizens’ minds directly. Lastly, it calls for the protection of both government personnel and average citizens from these potential threats.
➡ The text discusses unethical human experimentation and the use of directed energy weapons, focusing on the Havana Syndrome. It highlights the difficulty in distinguishing between mental illness and the effects of these weapons, as the symptoms can be similar. The text also mentions the potential for misuse of this technology against civilians, and the need for protective measures. It ends by suggesting that Havana Syndrome could be a sophisticated weapon used by adversaries to destabilize the U.S. government.
➡ The discussion revolves around the mystery of Havana Syndrome, a condition believed to be caused by different types of weapons, including ultrasonic and microwave types. The speakers discuss the possibility of a cover-up by the intelligence community, the difficulty in finding evidence of attacks, and the potential for these weapons to be used in unethical human experimentation. They also express concern about the lack of protection for civilians and the need for the government to admit and address the issue.
➡ Robert McCrade developed a concept of a weapon, a neurodisrupter, that can remotely harm people’s brains and nervous systems, potentially causing Havana Syndrome. It’s speculated that this technology could be used by military or spy organizations globally, including by governments like Russia and China, who have been linked to Havana Syndrome cases. There’s concern about the lack of protection for civilians against such attacks, with some companies offering equipment to guard against directed energy attacks. The issue of Havana Syndrome continues to be investigated, with over 1500 recorded cases and at least 68 deemed credible.
➡ The article discusses the issue of government secrecy, particularly within the intelligence community. It highlights the need for secrecy for national security, but also the problems it creates for democratic accountability. The article suggests that oversight committees struggle to effectively monitor the intelligence community due to incomplete or inaccurate information. It also touches on the concept of the ‘deep state’, a network of influential officials who can potentially undermine the elected government.
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Foreign. They have been targeted by Russia and China. I think there is some good evidence in the case that Russia has been responsible at least for a couple of those Havana Syndrome cases. And I think China is also very likely to attack US Government personnel. So there have been also cases in China and cases with a China connection. And I don’t know whether the US government is using it offensively against adversaries. A quick break to share with you this wonderful product called Masterpiece. It is proven to taking out graphene oxide, aluminum, aluminums, heavy metals, microplastics. They also are looking at these Mac addresses and there’s more and more research and there’s studies coming out.

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And look for the link below where you can buy Masterpiece yourself. It’ll provide you a discount. Or you can go to sarah westall.com under shop. Welcome to business Game changers. I’m Sarah westall. I have Dr. Armin Kirshnan coming back to the program. He was part of my series that I did on Brighton on mind control and 5th generation warfare where he says that the military for all practical purposes aren’t that relevant anymore because they’re bypassing conventional military warfare and going directly to the citizens to control your mind. And that is a pretty profound idea that warfare has completely changed and they’re no longer traditional methods of warfare.

It’s really directly to you and controlling your mind. And we’re living in it right now. And he’s going to come back and he’s going to talk about Havana Syndrome and Neurostrike and the different frequency weapons that have been deployed in the past and by governments all over the world that can harm people’s minds and bodies. And specifically he wrote a book on Havana Syndrome and military neuro weapons and what is available, what isn’t and where is Congress and the different governments at for acknowledging that this technology exists and what can we do to protect people within the government and outside the government? How do you protect targeted Individuals.

Do targeted individuals exist? Which is pretty clear that they do because you need to develop these weapons somehow. And the only way that you can develop them is through, you know, a covert targeting. And that’s what we’re seeing. And so we’re going to talk about that. Who’s doing it? He’s not gonna, he doesn’t say who’s doing it, but he’s gonna, from a, from a university professor standpoint, he’s going to talk about the research and what he can talk about. He says this is his own opinions. It doesn’t represent the university that he works for. You know, he has to be careful because there’s always that is that the universities don’t think, frown upon anything that puts them out there and makes them look bad.

So he’s saying this is from his own opinion and he also, it’s worth noting that he has trained military personnel and people in intelligence on what is going on. And it’s a great honor to have him back and to be working with me on this. And the most important thing is to bring the awareness to the people so that we can demand some protection for not only the people in the government, but for average citizens. I, you know, I advocate for. If there are already solutions developed within the military and they aren’t allowed to talk about it openly, please leak it to some private organizations, private companies leak that those solutions, the technology that can help average citizens and let’s figure out a way to.

It doesn’t have to be open, the government doesn’t have to acknowledge it. But these solutions can work for the average citizen and we can bring some relief to targeted individuals. I think that is a reasonable way to deal with some of this. But before I get into this, I want to remind you that I have a series of exclusives that I’ve been putting up on my sub stack from the peptide webinar I did with Diane Kaser to my second part with Darius Wright who is someone that talks about near death experiences and out of body experiences, which is really fascinating.

And then also with Scott Kerson who is has extensive experience in information warfare within the military and with the Department of Defense. I think you will like that conversation as well. So if you are interested in seeing any of that, go to S. Okay, here is my conversation with someone who’s becoming a friend of mine, Dr. Armin Kirschner. Hi Armen, welcome back to the program. Thank you so much for bringing me back to your show. You’ve done so amazing work over the last years. I mean I really started paying attention to your shows. Oh, well, great.

Thank you for that. Well, you were in my, my series that we did that was with, as a partnership with Brydeon and as the expert. You’re the first episode talking about, you know, fifth generation warfare and mind control. But it went, you know, of course we’re beyond fifth generation warfare and there’s a lot more to what’s going on. But you did a recent book and you’ve been doing so many, so much more, really great work, writing books, doing studies, teaching people, you’ve taught people in the military, you’ve taught at a university on what the warfare capabilities are when it comes to mind control or damage to the brain.

And specifically you’ve been focusing on, well, not just Havana syndrome. I know you’ve gone beyond that, but specifically you’ve brought some clarity to Havana Syndrome. Can you talk about before I get into that, explain people what you’re doing right now and what your background is because it’s very impressive. And then we’re going to get into some more of your research. Well, I’m an associate professor at East Carolina University and I’m teaching international relations, Intelligence studies, foreign policy. And yeah, I have to say that anything I’m telling you today is not in any way related to East Carolina University.

It’s just my personal opinion. And yeah, I’ve done research into military technology, military ethics, corporate action, and more recently I’ve looked into neuro warfare and Havana syndrome. So that relates to directed energy weapons. And that’s kind of the future of war. It really is. It might have actually been the near past of war as well. Right. I mean it’s pretty developed. It’s not something that is just futuristic. It’s been in the works for a while. Yeah, I would say it started back in the 1960s when they were looking into directed energy weapons. In particular they were developing lasers and microwave technology.

And yeah, we’ve come a very long way and now these weapon systems are getting put into the field. So they are real world technology and they are operational. However, most of what’s publicly known about directed energy weapons is focused on anti material applications. What do you mean by that? Well, for example drone warfare or the lasers attacking drones or aircraft or missiles. So missile defenses, we know about the high powered microwaves that produce an EMP like effect. So they are frying electronics. All of that is known and out in the public. What’s not known is the antipersonnel applications.

So that relates to the effects, the bio effects that these weapon systems could have on when they are targeted at people. And obviously there is a problem in terms of the research because of the need of human experimentation. That’s absolutely right. So all these targeted individuals that come forward saying they’ve been targeted, you can’t dismiss that because they need the experimentation to be able to develop it. Yeah, absolutely. I mean we know that from MK Ultra. So that was a CIA project from 1953 to 1964 and was continued as an in house project until 1972. And they were conducting human experiments on also unwitting test subjects.

So it was non consensual and in some cases they have done very grave harm to people. That’s right. And it’s not just the US military. It’s pretty much every single major country in the world, right? Yes. There is a lot of speculation about human experimentation going on in places like China and Russia and Iran. Why wouldn’t they be? Right? I mean they all are doing it. Yes. I mean obviously it’s very secretive because of. Hold on. The. Why wouldn’t they be as obvious. But you know what I’m saying? Keep going. Yeah. Because of the ethical implications.

No government wants to admit to it. Technically speaking, it violates international law. It goes against the Nuremberg Code that was established after the second World War as an ethical principle that any human experimentation has to follow certain strict rules. One of it, it should not harm the human subject. And there needs to be a benefit to the human subject for doing those experiments. And that’s right. In Japan they did all those experiments as well. I mean there’s proof and factual proof and documentation historical that not only the United States has done that, but so has all these other countries and the United States.

You know, we have the. What the syphilis program, remember with the, in the, the big support. I mean that was MK Ultra. I mean we’ve done a lot of things in this country that, that has. Even after the, the, what do you call it? The, the code. Right after the Nuremberg Code came out, we, we were doing it after all these principles were established and we still did it. So what is going to keep us from doing it or any other country around the world? These are real problems. Right. And we need to not only expose them, but we need to start coming up with.

And people haven’t talked about this, but maybe you know, after we people hear some of your information, we need to come up with ways to protect citizens from being targets of this. Yeah, absolutely. I mean it seems to affect a larger number of people. I don’t know how Many. I mean, I’ve been contacted, obviously, by a lot of people who want to share their story and they give me information. And that is also driving some of my research. And obviously it’s difficult to estimate or evaluate whether people are suffering from mental illness or whether there’s some truth to what they are saying.

But if you take into account the history of unethical experimentation on humans, the fact that we have directed energy weapons and that they have bio effects that are poorly researched, at least in the public, and yeah, there are accounts that seem to be very credible. And when you look at the Havana syndrome, we have very credible people talking about getting targeted with likely directed energy weapons. So we know about that. I was at the targeted. Yeah, we do know about that. I was at the targeted individual conference and I stayed with the board and Len Bear was there and.

And he’s an empty. And he. He’s been claiming he’s been a target of Havana or, you know, directed energy weapons. And even Giordano himself wrote a letter on his behalf saying, don’t target civilians. And he was formally diagnosed with Havana Syndrome. And I was at this conference, you know, in. At the house, staying. And when we were staying there, he was being tortured like every 15 minutes. He was just going into this torturous state of being blasted with something. And I don’t think somebody could fake that. I sat and we experienced it. I sat there and watched him be tortured every 15 minutes.

And it was. He truly was affected by something. And it’s incredible to watch this. I agree with you that some people. It’s very hard to distinguish the difference between somebody who maybe has a mental illness and people who are seriously targeted. And then the people that are seriously targeted can develop some mental illness or can even come across as mentally ill. So this whole thing is one big gray area. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it’s. It’s very difficult in terms of the psychiatric diagnosis because sometimes the people doing it may try to create the impression that the person is actually mentally ill so that it fits into the diagnosis in psychiatry for schizophrenia and other kinds of mental illnesses.

And it does cleanly in a lot of cases. If you’re hearing voices in your head or if you’re hearing some of these things that could. Which isn’t that difficult of a technology now to direct the sound frequency to your ear, people should research it. The technology isn’t all that complex. And it’s. It’s not. It’s been around for a while now, decades now. That same technology and that same real ability actually comes across as a mental schizophrenia or another mental illness that is cleanly defined by a mental illness. Yes, I mean, that was also an aspect in the MKR Ultra research.

In order to cover their tracks, they created situations that were so absurd that any person talking about it would come across as mentally ill to somebody who hasn’t seen it themselves or experienced it. Yeah, exactly. That’s also the argument against Havana Syndrome as a deliberate attack. The claim is that people may be making it up, that it’s psychosomatic, that they may have pre existing conditions. The major claim here is that it’s mass psychogenic illness so that people believe that they’ve been exposed to some external harm and then they materialize the symptoms of what they think they have been exposed to.

And in some cases that may be the truth of the matter and in others it’s much more difficult to explain it away in that manner. Well, and let’s talk about the history of Havana Syndrome. I know that when I started doing this work it was pretty available. I could get so much research on Google and elsewhere. Now some of the AIs, you can get that as well, or you need to go to a browser outside of the United States to get some more detailed information and some of the university studies outside the US unfortunately. But it exists if you want to dig a little bit more.

But when I first started doing this work, it was much more accessible and I could read where the science was and what was going on. Is it in your research and what you’re doing, did you have to. Did you find a little bit of walls that were up or were you. Was it easily accessible to you? Well, there has been a lot of media reporting on Havana Syndrome. I mean, there have been lots of documentary shows, newspaper articles, magazine articles. I mean, a couple of the victims, prominent victims, have spoken out and they’ve given interviews. So we have a lot of information on Havana Syndrome which is set to only affect government personnel.

So that’s the focus on Havana Syndrome. So we are looking at people who have worked for the US Government also in a national security capacity. And those stories seem to be quite credible because they’re also high level people who have been affected by this. And it’s people that were in Cuba that were targeted with directed energy weapons while they were in Cuba. Right. That’s why it’s Havana Syndrome. Yeah, it apparently started in December 2016. So that was kind of the first case. And then there was a whole wave of cases in spring 2017. And in August 2017, it made the News media.

There was a story by Associated Press and they speculated about a sonic weapon that may have been used to harm diplomats on Cuba. At the time, there were 21American individuals, embassy personnel and their dependents affected, and 14 Canadian diplomats and dependents affected. And many of them had to be taken out of the country and had to receive medical care in Miami. And there they have received a diagnosis of concussion or concussion like effects. So it’s a whole pattern of symptoms. It’s mostly known for the audible effects. So they’ve heard some strange noises, some chirping or buzzing sound.

It was very loud. So that was the first thing they experienced. Then there were the a panic attack, a psychological effect, and then the vestibular disturbances. So the balance issues, vertigo, visual distortions, blurred vision and very strong headaches and tinnitus. And later also memory loss, brain fog and general neurodegenerative issues that didn’t go away afterwards. The exposure time was probably just 30 seconds or a few minutes. Then the effects continued over months, years. Some people are still affected after a long time by this attack. Well, and I think the fact that like Glenn Behr, being a civilian who is officially diagnosed by the same Miami doctors and facility is a major problem because it shows that civilians, and that’s what Gerardonnell wrote in a letter form saying we should not be targeting civilians.

He is an inconvenient person. That shows that civilians might be being targeted too. Because it’s one thing if government employees are targeted and it’s a foreign government such as Russia, which they’re claiming on the blame for this Havana Syndrome going on in Cuba. It’s a whole other deal when we’re talking about civilians in our country being targeted. I think these could be different issues and there could be different perpetrators, different contexts in which that is happening. I don’t know. But I think it’s plausible that there is some unethical human experimentation going on in this country and in many other countries.

And then there is also something else going on. So we have adversaries targeting key U.S. government personnel to destabilize the U.S. government to cause us harm and to test their weapons. I think that the Havana Syndrome weapon is very sophisticated. It’s far ahead of anything we’ve seen in previous times. So there were previous episodes where there was a speculation about directed energy attacks. That was the Moscow signal and that was in the 1960s and 1970s. Yeah, because there’s a well documented case of in Moscow themselves having an issue. Because I remember writing about it and adding it into a mini documentary I have.

So it’s been around since at least the 60s. I’m sorry, keep going. Yeah, but I think it’s a much more sophisticated weapon and there’s a big mystery how it actually works. So that is the problem. When you’re researching Havana Syndrome. You come across a variety of technologies and ways of it could be possibly done. But the. Could it be multiple ways? I mean, could it be multiple ways? Because we know that whole bunch of different weapons. Yeah, there are different types of weapons. I mean, James Giordano has suggested that there are at least two different types of ultrasonic type weapons.

And then there is one type of microwave type pulsed microwave weapon. So that can account for the different kind of experiences that people had. So that we are talking about actually very different types of weapons and exposures. Yeah, multiple different types of weapons. Just like the voice to skull weapon, which. There was an infamous TED Talk where the CEO of the company said, yeah, we did it. And that was during the Iraq war where all these soldiers surrendered. He. It was a TED Talk that’s now I can’t find. So they must have pulled it. Hindsight being 20 20, I would have downloaded it, but he admitted that his company developed it and this is what it did.

And all these Iraqi soldiers surrendered. That is probably in the family of the weapons we’re talking about. Yeah, I’m aware of that. There was an ITB report from 1991 about psychological warfare in the Gulf. And the way it worked was that they were attacking the Iraqi soldiers in the tanks. They had their headphones on to listen to radio and they were transmitting some ultrasound signal with subliminal messages that was inducing extreme fear. And they were supposed to constantly listening to the radio. And a consequence of that was that they were surrendering, that they were panicking. And yeah, I think that’s a very plausible story.

Well, unless the CEO that came up and said that was lying and he did a TED Talk. It was pretty amazing. When you look back on it, knowing how much censorship there is now, how open the Internet was back then is pretty profound the difference. But where are we right now with the admittal, you know, being admitting that Havana Syndrome is real? Well, we are getting closer to it. So the current administration seems to be taking some action towards uncovering the mystery of Havana syndrome. So there has been a notable shift from the Biden administration which tried to bury it.

You know about the ODNI updated assessment on anomalous health incidents from March 2023, where they were saying it was very Unlikely that there was an adversary targeting U.S. personnel. And now they are. Well, at least Congress is putting some pressure on them to revise that. And I’m hoping that Tulsi Gabbard and Marco Rubio would be also moving the thing further along. So I see some positive signs that there is a greater willingness to uncover the mystery. But apparently there’s also a claim of a cover up by the intelligence community. Well, I’m sure. Right. They’re going to cover it up.

I would like to see them not only admit to it, identify it, just like with so many of these other issues, admit that this is happening and identify it and then make efforts to protect not only government employees, but civilians. These trillions of dollars that you spend, or billions of dollars you spend on defense, actually spend it on some defense for our civilians who are being targeted by this. Mela, there are a couple of explanations why there could be a cover up. So the first thing I can think of is that they understand that US personnel is vulnerable, but they don’t have any way of protecting them.

So they don’t want to admit the vulnerability and give enemies further ideas that they can be attacked. But they know. I mean, come on. They know. Keep going. They’re not. They know. Yeah, but it’s still a problem for the government to admit that they can’t protect their own people. And the other thing is it’s very hard to find evidence for the attacks and where it’s coming from or who it’s coming from. Yeah, exactly. You would need to catch the perpetrator in the act. And that can be very difficult because an attack can occur in any place at any time and then you have only a couple of minutes to figure out that you are an attack and where the attack is coming from.

So the odds of catching somebody doing it are very slim. And that was the main argument by the CIA that they couldn’t find any evidence that any adversary was involved because they only start investigating after the fact. So the attack is already over. And then they try to find traces or people who were there at the time. And that can be very difficult to come to any conclusions. And then the dilemma for the government is can you accuse another government of attacking your personnel if you don’t have any evidence for it? Because technically it’s an act of war.

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So they are certainly aware of the vulnerability that. But they don’t like to talk about civilians at the moment. They like to keep it at the level of national security and protecting the military. And yeah, one issue is that they may have those weapons already. So they may be hiding that technology. I mean the intelligence community. So they don’t want to admit that they have it and that they may be using those weapons as well. So that’s another motivation for the COVID up that I can see. And the other thing that is obvious is the possibility of human experimentation going on in the realm of national security.

That is unethical and that would be a problem if it was disclosed to the public. But historically speaking that all comes out right and they end up looking worse in the long run. And then the people that were targeted of this, whether it’s the syphilis experiment or MK Ultra, the public at large knows it exists. They look worse in the long run. And then people are just. The trust in the institutions actually erode further. Well, I mean you have to look at it from the perspective of the people who are responsible. They may be legally accountable for what they’ve done.

So they may have broken some laws in doing that and they would certainly try to avoid that accountability. And I think it’s also highly classified, so very few people are read into those programs and they are under secrecy oaths. So they are not allowed to talk about it. And if they would be talking about it, then they may face prison for violating their secrecy. Yeah, you’re gonna face prison for violating your secret cos for disclosing the fact that we’re targeting and hurting doing something unethical. That isn’t legal. But I think if you disclose something that’s not legal, that you’re protected from it from that standpoint.

But we know when we’re dealing with a corrupt government, it’s kind of messy in that area. This will blow up protection for ordinary government people. But it’s different in the intelligence community. If you want to be a whistleblower, the only recourse you have is that you can contact a member of Congress. You’re not allowed to talk to the press or leak documents to the public. You’re not allowed to do that. If you do that, you still face prison time. If Congress is not responsive, then you are out of options. That’s really too bad, because we have obvious people that are targeted that need some help.

What is neurostrike? You write about that as well. Yes, and that is a concept developed by Robert McCrade. He was working for the State Department and he was closely involved with several of the Havana Syndrome investigations. He developed that concept to describe a weapon that causes Havana Syndrome. He described it as a neurodisrupter. It could be a handheld device that can remotely attack people and disrupt their brain and central nervous system and cause permanent harm to them and have cognitive effects. And how broad of an implementation does he think it is? Is it something that the military is already doing to our adversari in active combat areas, or is it also within, like spy organizations where they’re doing it for critical, or not even critical for missions, for whatever agenda they’re trying to get across and across the world, not just our government, but other governments.

Well, I, I don’t have any information about that. We can only speculate, obviously. I mean, I don’t either. I’m asking you because I don’t know either. But if I was going to speculate, I would think that’s pretty widespread and it’s being wherever they think that they, it can further their agenda. That’s my assessment. But what do you think? I don’t know whether the US government is using that technology. I think that they have been targeted by Russia and China. I think there is some good evidence in the case that Russia has been responsible at least for a couple of those Havana Syndrome cases.

And I think China is also very likely to attack US Government personnel. So there have been also cases in China and cases with a China connection. And. And I don’t know whether the US Government is using it offensively against adversaries. We’d like to think that our government is more. Has higher ethical standards. I don’t. Historically, they really haven’t. If you look at it compared to, you know, MK Ultra and the syphilis program they ran. But, you know, China has been caught doing. Involved the government of China doing organ harvesting. Right. If a government has let organ harvesting go on in mass, which there’s evidence of, that there would be no ethical line.

And this is not that far. I mean, this is a very easy ethical line for them to cross because they already went blue past it for when they were doing organ harvesting. Yeah, absolutely. I don’t think that China or the Chinese government would have a problem with respect to using that technology offensively and covertly. And I think that the same applies to Russia, sadly. So in Russia, they have also a history of unethical experimentation, and they are also likely to use that offensively and covertly. And if there’s any rogue organizations within our government who are involved in human trafficking or organ trafficking or anything like that who also happen to have access to this technology, they already blew past the red line of ethics.

So, you know. And that’s what we don’t know. Yeah, I mean, it’s very highly. Yeah. But that’s the reality of the situation, right? Yeah. I think that there are some better checks and balances in the United States compared to other countries. I mean, I’ve heard really bad things happening in Germany with respect to that technology. I mean, you’ve heard about the candidates dying ahead of the election. Yeah. And there’s the allegation that the German government may be using directed energy for harming people, torturing people and killing people. So there could be even Western countries where it’s much worse compared to the United States.

What do you think is necessary? Maybe you haven’t thought about this yet, but what do you think is necessary from a civilian protection standpoint? We need our government employees. Our military needs protection, and so do especially the civilians who have been targeted. What do you think needs to be done? Well, the first thing is people need to be aware of the danger. They need to understand that there is this technology and people can get harmed doing that. And it can be covert, it can be deniable, and they need to understand at least part of the technology involved.

And that may be an opportunity to protect yourself at the Moment the government isn’t doing much in terms of protecting civilians. I mean, that seems to be sad reality. And yeah, what we can try to do is just to uncover more about the technology itself. The more we can uncover, the more people are aware, the more there’s an urgency to come up with tools to protect innocent individuals. Yeah, I mean, the free market might provide some solutions. I mean, there are companies that are offering special equipment and materials and things to, for people to protect themselves against directed energy attacks.

I mean, there seems to be already a market for that. There is a market for that. I would like the, the military, if they have this technology, to somewhat quietly leak every single thing they possibly can to some of those companies so that they can that if they know how to protect people, figure out how to leak it to these companies and develop solutions. And maybe they already have. I don’t know. Yeah, you can only hope that. I mean, there should be more pressure on the government in terms of doing something about it because the problem is not going to go away.

I don’t think that the Havana Syndrome cases have stopped. I think that at some point they have to address it because their own people are getting harmed. That’s right. And they can’t afford for high level diplomats and they can’t afford for civilians who are speaking loudly of it to just go unprotected. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I’m hopeful that something is still coming out of the newer investigations into Havana Syndrome. So there was a recent House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Report from December last year where they were complaining about the lack of cooperation that they’ve received from the intelligence community regarding the release of documents and records about the anomalous help incidents.

And yeah, and a recent thing I’ve heard is that the director of the DIA got fired because he was mishandling the investigation into the anomalous health incidents. So perhaps the Trump administration is trying to do something. Well, that’s good. I mean, if he was mishandling it, then that’s great. Hopefully there is more pressure. I know that Tulsi Gabbard seems like she was targeted herself with the Quiet Skies program. And nothing gets you motivated more than being personally targeted. Yeah, I mean, there are also members in Congress who have taken an interest in that. There was a Homeland Security subcommittee hearing in 2024 where they had some high level witnesses.

That was Greg AT Green, who was in charge of the investigation in the DIA on the anomalous health incidents. And then there was Christoph Grozap, who was the journalist who conducted the investigation into the connection with GRU unit 29155. And then there was. Mark said he is a national security lawyer who has represented several victims of Havana Syndrome. And they gave very interesting testimonies that you can find on the Internet. And their conclusion was that there are at least 68 credible cases. And altogether they’ve recorded over 1500 cases, but at least 68. There’s apparently very good evidence that people have been targeted and harmed.

And they also spoke about the device that could cause the Havana Syndrome. And Christo Grozeff was saying that he has seen an earlier version of the weapon from 1991, and that it was not very big, so smaller than a backpack. So it could be used from a car, and it would have at least a range of tens of meters or hundreds of meters. It’ll be interesting as this comes out and more people are aware of it, and hopefully it’ll bring more whistleblowers out to say about what other kinds of weapons are actually ready to go from affecting our emotions to all sorts of other applications that are being used.

Yes, I mean, there have been whistleblowers. I mean, there have been lots of leaks. The problem with the leaks is just they tend to be anonymous, and then it’s very hard to confirm, and often there is no documentary evidence behind it, because even if you work in the intelligence community, you can’t really take any documents. Can you classify documents and give them to the public? So that would be a major crime. So they can only leak a little bit of information here and there, and then we have to piece it together. Don’t you think that. Okay, I’m gonna.

The fact that. And I understand from one perspective, but we almost need to deconstruct the fact that it’s a crime to be transparent and that the whole notion of making everything classified also allows criminal activity to absolutely flourish within our government. And so the laws themselves are made to protect criminals if they exist in that community. And so we have an issue of a structural issue, a flaw, with just how that is established. The fact that it’s illegal to even talk about activities that could be highly illegal is a flaw. Well, the intelligence community will tell you that they have to protect sources and methods that all their work couldn’t and that they couldn’t operate without that amount of secrecy.

And that secrecy serves a clear purpose, but it also serves a clear purpose of covering up government crime. And so, you know, what do you think of that? Well, I think that in the area of. In the realm of national security, you need to have a certain degree of secrecy because it relates to vulnerability and it relates to your ability to collect on others. And yeah, I understand that this is a problem for democratic accountability. And the way we tried to solve this dilemma is by way of intelligence oversight. So we have the intelligence oversight committees in Congress that are supposed to look into potential abuses by the intelligence community.

The flaw in this system is that the intelligence community can just refuse to provide complete and accurate information to Congress. And Congress has no ability to really check whether they’ve received everything and whether it’s accurate, what they’ve received. And yeah, we’ve seen that with the NSA surveillance debate. In the end, it looks like the intelligence community violated our constitutional rights and got away with it. Well, it’s kind of like the comey thing. There’s a whole room of additional FBI files that they found that were never, that weren’t disclosed. So the, it’s just this continual thing where Congress, Congress is not able to do proper oversight because they don’t allow those documents forward.

So it is what I’m talking about. I understand the national security because we’re not, we can’t be so naive that we aren’t dealing with enemies such as China or Russia or even criminal cartels, whatever it is that will harm us. Right. So they have to be smart. But the same standpoint, if they aren’t able to have proper oversight, then the criminals can flourish inside those organizations. And there’s evidence that they have. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, originally when the intelligence community was founded in 1947, it was fairly small and it was easier to have some oversight over them or to keep track of what they were doing because it was still relatively small.

But now it has gotten so big and government secrecy has gotten so enormous that nobody knows all the secrets. I mean, it’s a huge problem for the government itself to keep track of its own secrets. It’s just this mess, isn’t it? Yeah. And there’s only a very small number of people who have access, a high level access to information. Most people in the government, they just are not read into those secrets. Well, and the problem is when there’s only a small number of people that even have access to it, we are dependent on those people even being ethical individuals and not criminals themselves.

What kind of process do we go through to make sure those people are even ethical? Yeah, that’s a huge problem. I mean, that’s why we are talking about the deep state. So that is the assumed network of mid level to high level intelligence Officials and national security officials who have access to the secrets and who can determine national security policy and who can, well, who are in a position to sabotage the elected government or simply not respond to the directions of the elected government. And we’ve seen that. What do you think about the deep state being spun from a political standpoint to just mean the Democrats? I think that is a mistake by some political operatives to spin it to just mean deep state equals Democrats versus deep state equals deep state.

Like what you’re talking about. Well, there’s a very good book by Michael Glennon. He is a political scientist, I think Tufts University. He wrote a book, the double government from 2014. And he claims that there is the Madisonian government, the elected government, and then there is the so called hidden government or the Trumanite network. So that was a panel established early in the Cold War and that is a network of those mid level to senior national security officials who share the same ideology and they are sharing the same experiences and they believe that in the name of national security they have special rights to do whatever it takes to protect the United States.

So they are not bound by the law and they are very influential and they can oppose presidents because they have the power. Well, they have careers that are very long. So if you look at people like John Brennan or Michael Hayden or James Clapper, they’ve been in there for decades in senior positions. That’s right. So they have access, they’ve had access to a lot of secrets that gives them a lot of power. And the president going in for four years or even eight years, they have more power than them or they ride them out for a certain amount of time or they.

Right. I mean, how do they override them? Do they override them through just bureaucratic means? Yeah, I mean there’s bureaucratic resistance. I mean you can simply delay implementation of decisions. That’s the easiest way you can ignore. You can shape the information that the senior decision makers, the elected government receives. I mean, we’ve had the stories of people stealing documents from Trump’s desk because they didn’t want him to see that information. I mean, if you are a president, you have no ability to read all or process all the information that you’ve theoretically access to. And they can give you only certain pieces of information and leave out a major part of that.

And, and there’s no ability to check really well. And if you, it’s like anything else. If you go and you run an organization and the majority of the people under you don’t want to follow you and they won’t follow you. And they have their own agendas. That’s extremely difficult. That’s why executives come in and they get rid of the entire, you know, managing organization and bring in their own people for that very same reason. Yeah, but you can’t really do that in national security because it’s very disruptive. It’s very hard to replace people. I mean, if you have a career in national security spanning several decades, you represent a body of knowledge and expertise that is very hard to replace.

It doesn’t work that way. Right. So that makes it difficult to simply fire everybody, because if you do that, then the organization also becomes dysfunctional. Well, but they do fire. They do that with their own cabinet and everything else. So the philosophy was that. But it’s morphed into something so much larger and something so much deeper that essentially it doesn’t matter. Yeah. So, I mean, the deep state goes into the mid level of the bureaucracies as well. So even if you fire people at the top, top. The people under them will get into the top position and they will follow the same agenda.

So you’re not really improving the situation here. Yeah, that’s exactly what’s. What’s going on. And when the president comes in, do they. Are they. I don’t know if you know or not, but some people tell me that when they come in that they’re kind of read the rules and that essentially this is the way it is. And you’re going to have to listen to what There truly are people with more power than the President. Yeah, that’s very likely. I mean, it seems that the President is so powerful, but in reality, there are huge limitations on presidential power.

I mean, it’s the office of the President that’s powerful, but the person is not really the office. So the person can be replaced, will be replaced after four or eight years, but the office remains. And it comes down to access to power. It comes down to access to information, and it comes down to having support from the bureaucracy. And if that’s lacking, then the president can’t do that much. Gosh, that would be so frustrating for somebody who wants to make a difference. I think it would be extremely frustrating. Right. You want to make a difference and you have this wall that’s in front of me.

You can’t do anything because they have. They have more money or they’re. There’s so many different ways that those. That people can be influenced to do the bidding of others. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Okay. So you have multiple books out on different topics can you talk about where people can find your books? I know a lot of them are for academic reading, but what do you have and where can people learn more about your work? Well, I’ve written seven books, so I’m working on an eighth book. I’ve written a book on autonomous weapons, so that was from 2009, got reprinted in 2016 and it seems to be still popular.

And I’ve written a book on military neuroscience and that’s from 2017. And more recently I wrote on fifth generation warfare and the last book was on Havana Syndrome and it’s available on Amazon. Thank you so much. I’m going to have you. I know I’m going to have you back because I’ve had you back many times. And thank you so much and I hope you have a great holiday season with your family and Thanksgiving, which is coming up, I don’t know, this will probably air after Thanksgiving, but thank you so much, Armin, and thank you for everything you’re doing to inform the public on the realities of just just what it is that we’re dealing with.

Thank you so much for inviting me. It has been a pleasure to be on your show and I wish you a happy Thanksgiving, too. Sa.
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