MK Ultra: People Groups Nations Kanye West Ariana Granda Britney Spears w/ Cathy OBrien

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The text discusses the concept of mind control, suggesting it has been used since World War II and is based on trauma, particularly childhood trauma. The author argues that this manipulation is used to control societies and individuals, with media narratives being a common method. They believe that understanding and knowledge can protect against this control, and that it’s crucial to reclaim free thought and discernment. The author also mentions hearing about plans for a New World Order and depopulation agendas from powerful elites during their own experiences with mind control.
The speaker is promoting a product that aids in fat loss, not muscle, and recommends consulting a doctor or joining Dr. Diane’s tribe for advice. They also discuss the need for justice and accountability in society, particularly for those who abuse power. The speaker believes that positive change is happening as people become more aware and active in their communities. They also discuss the existence of a dark, negative energy force that feeds off hatred and fear, and the need to hold those who embody this force accountable.
The speaker discusses their journey of speaking out against corruption and advocating for free thought, driven by love for their daughter and humanity. They mention the use of mind control in various industries and the importance of healing from within, suggesting writing as a therapeutic method. The speaker also discusses the harmful effects of memory erasure treatments and the manipulation of food and water supplies. They urge the public to listen to celebrities who may be victims of such control and manipulation, and to recognize the signs of trauma and depersonalization.
The text discusses the importance of providing a safe environment for survivors of abuse to heal. It emphasizes the need for understanding and compassion, rather than judgment, and the power of love as a healing force. The text also mentions the role of government and society in supporting survivors, and the need for individuals to reclaim their power and discernment. It ends by encouraging people to visit a website for more information and resources.
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Well, they’re talking about the how they were going to manipulate the population. They talked about depopulation agendas. These occurred in the Epstein island of its time that I was trafficked to as a little toddler. Mackinaw Island, Michigan. That’s where these self appointed, self anointed global leaders meet and decide the fate of humanity. It was also at Bohemian Grove and other places where they meet in secret and discuss these plans. So I was privy to a lot of information. That information was written out in my healing process, verified by clean members of law enforcement and intelligence and is in my 1995 testimony for Congress, Transformation of America.

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You know, the trauma based mind control is not just on an individual level. I mean, that’s where it started. But they’re implementing it on whole groups of people and even on nations now. And she talks about that. And that’s what Covid was. It was a trauma based mind control. And when she was little, she was in these, she trafficked in the most elite circles and she was hearing about these agendas that has been rolled out since then. She’s going to talk about some of that today. And I also continue as we go on. I talk about some current stars like I talk about Ariana Grande, I talk about Britney Spears, I talk about Kanye West.

She brings him up and then we start talking about him and the fact that we’re seeing those kind of trauma based behaviors in them. And she talks about each one of them and what she’s seeing and how they can heal. And so if you’re one of them or if you’re in that industry or if you are MK Ultra victim, I highly recommend that you go to her website, which is trance- formation.com you can get the help you need. All of us have, you know, could benefit from this, but the ones who are are deep in those programs and you’re crying out for help.

Go to that website, see if there’s ways that it can help you. And she’s saying that it’s something you need to work on inside yourself and that you have the tools yourself to heal. I mean, her message is absolutely amazing and I hope you take her up on this. Before I get into that, I want to remind you that you can find me on substack Sarah Westall substack.com My home base is always Sarah Westall.com But I post articles on a regular basis both on Both on Sarah Westall.com and on Sarah Wessel.substack.com if you sign up for my newsletter, you will automatically be signed up for my substack newsletter that supports my work.

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Appreciate it. Okay, let’s get into this fantastic discussion with the Great One. I’m going to call her in the Great One because she truly is Kathy O’Brien. Hi Kathy, welcome back to the program. Thank you for having me. I’m so excited to be able to, to have this interview conversation with you. It’s been a while. It has been a while. And I mean, you’re the Great One. I mean, you know, you should be called the Great One. And because you’ve done so much to open people’s eyes to some of the operations that are going on, I played a clip of you in front of Congress so people can understand, you know, your story.

I, I was hoping you could give us more of your story. But the fact that, you know, the MK Altar program was real and you spoke in front of Congress about it, but they censored that, didn’t they? They censored it before I could even actually speak. I, I’ve got a lot of clips of different ones speaking that Congress was definitely privy to, but it wasn’t until Transformation of America. My 1995, testimony for Congress that was censored under national security was put in book form and distributed all through Congress. Democrats and Republicans alike were distributing it to all members to make sure they got the information that they were being censored from hearing.

So even Congress gets censored from hearing from information when it is exposing this, this global cabal, this dark negative energy for shadow government that’s been infiltrating our, our country for so long that exposes them. And what was being done, it was censored. That’s how they gained so much control over our nation, over our world. And it doesn’t matter. Truth, you know, truth came to light anyway and people are waking up. It’s good to, it’s good that they are. And it’s important that they know that what they’re seeing today is not new. What’s new is that they’re seeing it and awareness.

First step towards positive, necessary change. So what can you, can you share with people kind of an overview for new people? A lot of people already know who you are, right? I mean that’s. But share people what you shared in Congress and you know, what your testimony was about and kind of your life story. Well, I’m a survivor of CIA, MK Ultra mind control. And I was used on a White House, Pentagon level. I was deep in the swamp among these perpetrators who steal elections and fund their globalist agenda with drug and human trafficking across open borders.

Who use mind control for ushering in this slave society agenda that Adolf Hitler, George Bush and Joe Biden term the New World Order. It’s also called the Great Reset. It’s got, you know, all kinds of different names, but the, the fact is it is spinning out of control. People woke up, they see what’s going on. They mind control to usher in. They need humanity to be compliant because it is against our innate human nature. What they are doing. That’s right, what they are doing to our children and the erosion of, of our planet that they’re imposing.

Everything they’re doing is because in the wake of World War II, we imported the Nazi and fascist scientists into the US through Project Paperclip. With them came the formula for MKUltra mind control. That formula is the same whether it’s of an individual like I experienced or if it’s of a nation, a classroom, a military or the world. Trauma is the basis of it and it had been found through Hitler Himmler research. There’s no trauma more horrific on the human mind than sexual abuse of a child prior to age 5 while the brain is still forming. And that happened to you before the age of five? Yes, it happened since infancy because I was born into a multi generational incest based family.

My father was sexually and ritually abused, my mother was sexually abused and trafficked to my grandfather’s blue Masonic lodge. These secret societies is where the secrets on mind control and the slave society agenda are kept. You know, I call it a slave society agenda because trauma shuts down neuron pathways in the brain. It’s like our conscious mind freezes in fright and leaves the subconscious mind wide open to being easily led and manipulated. The most basic form of mind control is repetitive media narrative. And that is important for people to understand that mind control is a sliding scale from the kind of torturous robotic mind control I experienced my whole first 30 years of my life to information control.

When you consider we all formulate our thoughts, opinions and actions based on what we know, we need to know that knowledge base has been deliberately altered a long, long time to keep us looking outside ourselves to big government, big pharma, big tech, big cult, occult religion to tell us how to live our lives, when in fact, you know, we, we have that within us. We have all the power. These perpetrators only have as much power as we give them or let them steal. The only thing they can do with our power is make us forget that we have it.

And that’s what mind control is all about. Whether you know it, it happens with someone like it did with me, or if it happens to the nation or the world like happened 2020 when mind control masters of virus was unleashed on the global population. Now people everywhere have a little taste of what mind control is all about. And they’re, they’re wanting answers. And since I’ve been speaking out for over 35 years on mind control and healing from it, my testimony has been the same all this time. Because I cannot be triggered. I cannot be controlled. I cannot be stopped.

Because knowledge is our defense against mind control. When we have that knowledge, when we heal from within ourselves, when we understand all that, that we can’t be manipulated anymore. That’s right. That’s, that’s our saving grace. And that’s what we’re afraid we’re going to remember. And that’s why they want to censor your voice. They want to send my voice. They want to censor. Okay, so this happened to you before you were five. Now if, if it happens after the age five, it becomes less effective. Right? But do they still do it? Yes, it can still happen. There’s other Methods that are used, everybody gets manipulated by the traumatic images on tv, you know, and then, then it leaves them easily led.

Like when 911 happened, that was, that traumatized the whole nation and that’s, we were led right into war, you know, and it’s just been, we lost a lot of our rights then and it just keeps happening that way. So when we understand how our brains respond to trauma, we can safeguard against it going forward. We can retain and we can reclaim, retain our free thought. And that’s crucial because without free thought, there’s no free will. With no free will, there’s no soul expression. With no soul expression, we lose our moral compass, we lose our ability to discern truth.

We lose our compassion for each other. We lose our ability to gather the strength of the human spirit and the infinite power of love and stand for the things that we believe in. So in that regard, you know, this, this mind control agenda is spiritual warfare because it stops us from being able to live life as it’s intended to be lived, to be able to live our life’s purpose, to remember who we are and why we’re here. That’s why it’s important people understand what mind control entails. Well, there was a study I did a 10 part series on mind control and 5th generation warfare.

I really wish you were in it. I’m like, gosh, you should have been in that. But the one of the studies that were showed was that planting memories, planting false memories and false ideas under trauma they were able to have 900 people and under trauma it was 100% successful. And they said with social media and the trauma that they do on a nation and then do false memories, that is a very powerful thing. And they can do it. They know how to do it. They do. And it’s a part of the MK Ultra mind control program.

But it’s one that can be easily overcome when we understand our mind brain function and we can separate false memory from real very easily through methods that are detailed in ptsd. Time to heal those healing methods that intelligence insider Mark Phillips taught me. It’s, it’s was a reminder of what’s within us. We have that kind of discernment within us, we know it’s real, but we just have to go within for those answers. So it’s important that everyone, everywhere reclaims their free thought and is able to just reclaim their discernment because we’re being bombarded with so much information these days.

It’s like drinking from a fire hose, trying to digest it all, you know, it’s impossible. So we have to have a strong discernment to know what to actually take in and that it’s within us to, to have that discernment. When you were being, when you were in this program, did you hear these powerful elites talk about the New World Order and the Reset while you were there? Absolutely. Our brains photographically record events surrounding trauma. And it’s another part of our own mind brain function that has been suppressed under national security to keep people in the dark as to, you know, and make them more easily led.

So this, it’s important that people understand that mind brain functions so that they have a defense against the manipulations that are going on. And when you were, when you were there and what, what kinds of things did you hear? What were they talking about? Well, they’re talking about the, how they were going to manipulate the population. They talked about depopulation agendas. These occurred in the Epstein island of its time that I was trafficked to as a little toddler. Mackinac Island, Michigan. That’s where these self appointed, self anointed global leaders meet and decide the fate of humanity.

It was also at Bohemian Grove and other places where they meet in secret and discuss these plans. So I was privy to a lot of information. That information was written out in my healing process, verified by clean members of law enforcement and intelligence and is in my 1995 testimony for Congress, Transformation of America. That’s why national security was invoked on it, because it was all validated, it was all true. So every bit of that is detailed in there. And when you read over that testimony today, you find out so much of it unfolded. Who was going to be placed in the office of President.

You know, what the vaccines, what they were, how they were used for a depopulation agenda. There’s so much information in there that we are experiencing today. If it hadn’t been censored and everybody had the information, it could not have unfolded to this point. But nevertheless, the awareness of people rose anyway. These perpetrators just cannot relate to the strength of the human spirit and how resilient we all are. So that’s where we win. It’s where they lose. And the Great Awakening has definitely reached critical mass on a global scale. They’ve lost control over us. Now we need to understand exactly what happened so that it doesn’t happen again.

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We’re being persecuted? Yes. On the persecuted, I’m not sure about the prosecuted. We have a long way to go to clean up our justice system and I certainly my life’s experience has given me insight into that that there is no conventional justice even available because our system’s been completely and deliberately taken over. I know. So I just keep waiting for the ultimate justice of positive change through public awareness that one’s happening. People are waking up and taking back their lives. They’re getting out in their communities, talking to each other eye to eye, heart to heart, soul to soul, starting to get active, making a difference in the school system, making a difference in their own communities, growing their own healthy food again we’ve got a lot of positive changes that are happening as a result and to me that’s, that is the ultimate.

As for the rest, who knows, you know we, we need to see some justice. We need to see these abusers held accountable for their actions because we are not responsible for what we’re programmed to do under mind control. Our abusers are and they need to be held accountable because that will help us to be able to process what, what happened. So when you were being, when you were in that environment, did they were. Most of those people abused themselves as children? Some were, some weren’t. It varies. There’s. There’s those who were being raised in MK Ultra mind control to be Manchurian candidates like George Bush Jr.

George Bush Jr. Certainly was not in the victim category. He was a total victimizer. He has that. We, when we understand we share this planet with a dark, negative, low vibration energy force that feeds off of hatred, fear, trauma. That’s their vibration. They fear the strength of the human spirit because they can’t, they can’t reach it. They can’t reach that high vibration. Yeah, that’s Vibration is stronger. It is. Love is the most powerful force in the universe and we look at it energetically and they can’t, they can’t reach that. They are not like us and they do not like us.

And we need to face that reality. It doesn’t matter what we call them. It doesn’t matter how we perceive them. What, what matters is that we know they need to be held accountable for their actions and can be. They are not beyond our realm to affect. No. And so Bush was a victim. The younger the junior Bush. Yes. And he, he seemed, when I, I can feel energy a lot and he seemed different to me than senior Bush. Yeah. He seemed like a better person. Now he, he probably needs to heal and, and get past. I don’t know if he can now.

Maybe you can. You right. It’s never too late. But so he was a he. Unfortunately he was a victim of the senior Bush. Now those people do they feel like they’re different. Like they lack empathy, that they’re different beings than the rest of us. They feel like they should be in that position of power and influence. They believe in their own power. The ones like Hillary Clinton that are so, so such a dark negative energy for us. You know, I, I don’t, I don’t sense any kind of a soul it within to even. For them, to even be something other than what they are.

What they are is no empathy. None. No, no. No capacity for it. No consideration to have it. Not even. You know, people say, well yeah, she’s, she worships Satan and she’s Satan. It’s like she worships her own evil. She worships her own capacity to exude that evil over others and control. That’s what she believes in as, as her own self. So they don’t even have belief systems outside themselves because they think they are the ultimate evil, all powerful because it’s the, their energy source. I guess they’re almost conduit. They’re almost a conduit for Satan himself. Right.

Because that, and go ahead in that way. Yeah. Depending how when we, we look at, when we look at the energetic aspect there, they are conduits of the most negative energy force that there is. Yeah. And so they don’t necessarily worship anything that makes sense. You’re the first one that has said this. They say she, you know, she goes to once a month to go worship Satan. But she doesn’t worship anything outside of herself. Nope. Right, interesting. I mean that makes a lot more sense. Right. But why would she not bother going to worship Satan if that’s who she is? Right.

And, and, but people, people are so bound by religious semantics and, and all that they need to put a label on it that they can wrap their brains around and it’s, it’s, it’s hard to expand beyond that. But people are looking further. They are recons, considering the way that they’ve, that the way they perceive things to embrace the reality of the darkness of this energy force. When we realize that that’s what they are, we live the love we are, we win, it’s over. You know, I mean, we just have to remember who we are and why we’re here and embrace that strength of the human spirit and the infinite power of love and it’s game over.

Their darkness can’t creep in on our light. It doesn’t work that way. Light exposes what they’re hiding in their darkness, you know, and that’s, it’s, it’s such an amazing time to me of seeing people finally realize that and take back their own power in their lives and stop giving it away, you know, to these illusions. That’s so Right. Okay, so now do they seek each other out because they are fearful of somebody who does not have that? You know, I’m trying to understand, we’re all trying to understand how do these people work? Do they seek each other out and promote each other like Hillary Clinton, someone like her who has such dark energy? Was she built to be that or was she sought out? Or how does someone like her become that? I think she was born that way, you know, and then true to her, like, you know, like vibration.

But at the same time, these perpetrators do not trust each other either. So they hold each other by the blackmail, so to speak. And all these blackmail videotapes that we hear about have been going on my whole life. I was used in them as a toddler back in like 1960 at my grandfather’s blue Masonic Lodge and at Mackinac Island, Michigan where the Governor’s mansion is located. And these films, many of them knew they were being filmed and that was just part of the initiation of being in the secret society, to be in this, in this self appointed, self anointed group of, of global leaders.

So they willingly participate in that and oftentimes would, you know, just wave at the camera or do whatever, even if the cameras were hidden, you know, because they usually, they usually are covertly filmed. But nevertheless everybody knew it because that was just part of it. They wanted blackmail on everybody else. They knew there was blackmail on them. They trusted each other more when there’s blackmail. Yes. And then they could use those same tactics to compromise others who, who would not cooperate so fully. They can drug them and, and film them with the child and they have that blackmail over them forever.

They use blackmail, coercion, they pay, they pay people off, they threaten lives of families. They have many ways of manipulating and coercing people. Some they’ve just raised completely in MK Ultra mind control and like the George Bush juniors and the Maggie Trudeau and you know, so many others of that have been exposed to the highest levels of MK Ultra mind control to continue their control over the leadership of nations. So you know, follow the puppet strings, go to the top. We’re going to find it’s the same handful of global leaders over and over again. Well, and some of these, from what I understand is most of the people want out and don’t want to be part of it, but there’s a small percentage that on it, like a Hillary Clinton or someone like that just thrives on it.

Yeah, it’s their energy source. So that, that’s what they, that’s the vibration they feed off. You know, I, I, I wouldn’t know any other way to say it. It’s, it’s, it’s not something I can relate to in any way. I just know that when I started speaking out, when I reclaimed my free thought, free will, when I knew who I am and why I’m here and began speaking out in 1990, you know, that was when I was attempting to help my daughter who was caught up in the corruption, the child protective Services that I saw being deliberately corrupted as a catch nut operation for Traffic, children.

And then she was thrust into it. So it was my love for her that compelled me to speak out. I didn’t speak out out of fear or hatred or bitterness. It wasn’t that. It was love. It was love for her and it was love for humanity. It was love for all the children. It was. That is the highest vibration. And I think that’s why I was able to even survive, to keep speaking out all those years. I don’t live in any kind of fear. That’s their vibration. They’re not, they got that the first 30 years of my life.

They’re not going to get any more of it from me. I am just going to live the love I am and, you know, and, and proceed forward from that way. And that’s a much better way. It gives me a lot more clarity of thinking. Well, I think you, you’re helping so many people. I mean, you’re just. That’s why I called you the Great One. I mean, you’re just helping so many people. But there are famous people, like Marilyn Monroe, who has been in the MK Ultra program, but there are current celebrities. And I want to play a little clip of Ariana Grande talking about her memories being wiped at clinic.

So when you watch that clip, what are we, are we watching? Is she really talking about a clinic where her memories are wiped? And you can see that she’s like anorexic, skinny right now, almost killing herself. Well, it’s imperative that we heal from within. And the methods that intelligence insider Mark Phillips taught me are a reminder to us all. Mark was working the highest levels of intelligence mind sciences to preserve the sanctity of free thought. He saw how mind control was being used on individuals, how it was permeating the entertainment industries, the sports industries, how it was being used in politics in so many ways.

And it is imperative that people remember that we have this ability within us to heal. As this information started emerging, there was counter measures being taken, especially by the military. The military has a way of erasing the memory of the military who are so traumatized that, yeah, they’re using an injection in the brain stem. And it’s just, it’s the most horrible thing. You don’t wipe out memory to give someone back their life. You don’t have to relive that memory to heal either. You just write it out. You pick up a pen and paper. When you pick up a pen, it activates the logic critical analysis part of the brain.

And then it’s written out on paper in front of you where it’s consciously seen. All of a sudden those neuron pathways in the brain are opening up, shifting that emotionally incomprehensible trauma over to logic. And so you’ve got healing psychiatric, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually. Everything’s coming together at once with just a simple way of writing out memory. And you don’t have to relive it that way, but instead they’re taking. Making sure people just, you know, have a keyboard or their thumbs. And. And we’ve taken writing by hand out of the school system. Even if we put writing by hand back in the school system, it will teach the children how to think again instead of what to think.

That will stop the indoctrination of children right there in itself. So all this is available to us, but right now they’re moving fast forward. Now they got these clinics to erase memory, you know, to stop the, the past from intruding on the present. The best way to do that is just pick up that pen and paper and write it out. Little children draw it out. It’s. It, it does the same thing. And it’s a way of healing from within. Instead of having someone intrude, big pharma come in and, you know, block that ability to even heal forever, which is an outrage.

And I know you don’t know for sure, but when you see her being like Ariana Grande. Talk about memory wipe. And you see her, her skeletal frame, to me it looks like she might be an MKUltra victim. They did the Brighter Days memory erasure treatment to me. So I’m having trouble remembering the details. They’re foggy. Because at the Brighter Days clinic, they do the memory eraser, you know, the memory eraser. They erase my memories? Absolutely. Well, the formula for mind control is trauma at the basis of it and sleep, food and water deprivation. Because sleep, food and water deprivation makes us highly suggestible.

Easily lead, our brain’s not firing properly. We’re not getting the proper nutrition to our brains. We’re not getting the proper rest. So people are working 9 to 5, 5 to 9 to put food on the table that has no nutritional value anymore. By design. With all this bioengineering and genetic manipulation of our food and the chemicals in the water, you know, all this is deliberately designed to dumb us down. So when I see someone who starved, I know that they have endured food deprivation on a grand scale. And when they speak out and say something like that, like that.

Why say something like that if it’s not, if it’s not real? She’s screaming out and trying to Tell people what’s happening. We see people like Kanye West. He keeps screaming out. People don’t hear what he’s saying. He gets pulled back in. And then they go, look at him, look at him. He’s just this, you know, when in fact he’s been reprogrammed and, and made to look, you know, nutty, non credible in front of people. And then he comes out again and you know, we need to start listening to these people. Well, it seems like they. Because he was, started getting on a good path, right? He had a family.

He was fighting for his family. He was a different person. Then all of a sudden he comes out with this new wife and has her standing there naked. It seems like he is. He’s been reprogrammed. Yes. That’s what happens when people speak out before they’re healed. You have to be healed from within yourself so you can’t be triggered anymore. When you open those neuron pathways back up, you cannot be triggered. You cannot be reactivated. You evolve with the knowledge that is our defense against mind control. You recognize someone intruding and you stop it. But if you speak up too soon, you don’t have that, that, that arsenal, mental arsenal, yet to defend yourself with.

And I see survivors speak out too soon, get pulled back in. These perpetra. These abusers, these mind controllers know exactly what vulnerabilities to look for. And those vulnerabilities are on full display for those with eyes to see. You know, you, you, you looked at Ariana Grande and saw, you know, what looked like MK Ultra to you. And we need to start being able to recognize that and see that. When people are controlled to that degree and so traumatized that they, they experience depersonalization, they don’t even know who they are. They don’t recognize themselves in a mirror.

And then they go, they can’t even feel anymore. So they exhibit this clown appearance with piercings everywhere and tattoos. These people are screaming out for help. And it’s so sad to see the response, the non compassionate response that, that, that so many people gift someone like, like, oh, you know, well, Kanye west. It’s hard to, he’s. It’s almost like they’re programming on purpose for him to be disliked by the public. Yeah. Reprogramming it to turn them away and, and make it. Where people don’t listen to someone like him, they, where they don’t listen to people like Michael Jackson or, or Britney Spears, you know, and they’re, they’re just screaming out, and Britney Spears had a really good message you know, with the guardianship stuff.

And she was helping a lot of people. And now you got these clips of her. I’m gonna play one here. She looks like she’s almost possessed. And that’s, wouldn’t that, that doesn’t seem like somebody who was fighting so much for her freedom. That, that is not a, a possession. It, it, it’s an illusion of it, it’s an acting out. It’s like when little children are ritually abused, they will act it out to try to draw attention to what is in their hat, what’s going, rolling through their head. And she has no capacity that I can, you know, see to be able to think beyond that.

So she’s screaming out the best she can and instead people are religiously judging her and saying, oh, exercise those demons, cast them out. And it’s like, no, she really needs to be pulling her head together, not, you know, casting it out further. So that’s a very deliberate illusion and program that’s put in through ritual abuse to trigger the, anyone who might be helpful into their own belief system and fearing it instead of, of, you know, understanding. Oh, that’s mind control. She can heal from within. When we give her a safe place to be, you know, safety is key.

So if she were in a safe place, she’d start healing. And this is, there’s a, a lot of information that I’m sharing now globally and, and everywhere to help, help people take the next step in healing so that they’re not displaying their vulnerabilities, so that they’re not acting out their abuse so that they can effectively, you know, start healing. But it begins with a safe place. So we need, with safe houses are opening up all across this nation, all around the world really. But they’re happening here because our child Protective services is obviously part of the human trafficking operations and people know it now and they’re avoiding that.

Our system is so corrupt and the children, the survivors cannot wait for our system to clean up. They need us to take action now and that’s what we’re doing. So, you know, I’m bringing that message forward as loud and as fast as I can, which is why I appreciate so much you having me on today so that we can effectively help more people and empower others to, to make a positive difference. They’re wanting to help survivors, but they’re, they don’t know how and they’re falling back on their own fears and beliefs. And, and, and then they, if they reach out to help others before they’re healed themselves, they Trigger and everybody’s triggering off each.

It’s just, it’s this disaster and you see it, you can see it. So you’re like oh no, don’t and don’t. On your website you have some training manuals right on, on helping people. I’ve got a lot of information there and I’ve got a answer, a big one coming out real soon about aligning with the Divine. Because when we align with the, with the divine within and, and go within ourselves, that’s where we find that strength, the human spirit and infinite power of love. Love is the most powerful healing force. It’s been measured. Yes. And it is, it is what Mark had taught me.

It’s why I was able to heal from within. It’s, and it’s natural when we stop looking outside ourselves to a hypnotist to manipulate our minds further or look outside ourselves to a ridge, even a religion to reprogram us. We need to go within first and find our own connection, our own ability to align with the divine within. Our own amazing capacity. And children, anyone, any survivor who has been ritually abused are tortured. Their spirit is always in a safe, loving space because that’s, it’s like spirit takes flight and that happens. We hear about people who have near death experience where they’re floating above themselves and see what’s happening below, but it’s a natural thing that happens to all of us.

It’s, it’s more than a footprints in the sand thing, you know, where you’re being carried. It’s just we are kept in that safe, loving space. It’s so, so many people who have been that abused are familiar with that experience and when, when as they’re healing and they have their free thought, free will, soul expression again, they can tap back into that, that strength of the human spirit and find that it was never possessed, it was never shattered. It was only we, it, we were only inhibited from being able to access it and you know, and, and absolutely connect with it.

When, because we’ve had that experience. When we go within, we recognize that and it’s like it’s, it’s, it’s such a, it gives us such an ability to align with that divine and it gives us a testimony of knowing how, how strong we all really are by design, you know, when we align with the divine within. So it’s a, an amazing part of healing that ultimately everybody is needing to experience. This whole world needs to wake up to remember who they are and why they’re here. It’s, it’s happening and it’s beautiful thing to see. And when we remember our own strength, it’s game over.

We can’t be manipulated like this. They can’t. Okay, so what I see, and I want to get your opinion on this, as I see two factions fighting of the cabal. One part of the cabal is better than the other. One is not the satanic torture type. They, they might be narcissists, they might be businessmen, they care about power and they’re ruthless. But they don’t like this MKUltra type stuff. Is that an accurate assessment? Is that what’s happening? There are so many people in intelligence and in government who oppose MK Ultra and what it’s, what it does to humanity and how it stops even their ability to wonder and ponder and be creative.

And so it’s inhibiting this, this creative progress forward. Even so there are many who are opposing it for, for various, for various reasons. And what happens politically or anything else from this point going forward, as we evolve with our knowledge, that’s our defense against mind control and take back our own power, we realize we don’t have need for this big government to tell us how to live our lives. We don’t have need for Big Pharma to be manipulating our, our, our food. We need to have nutrition again, you know, when we can reclaim all of that.

And it’s, it’s really important that as we do, we start using our own discernment and refusing to cooperate with the nonsense anymore more. That’s right. And so basically the more people wake up, the more they’re responding to us waking up. And that’s maybe more what we’re seeing versus you’re saying, versus maybe two factions. I see some of the people who are in power now or helping out who might themselves be MK Ultra victims. Yes, I’m seeing some of that. And that they’re people don’t trust them. Is that, I mean, is that accurate? Are you seeing it too? Yeah.

And when you consider that can extend to the Supreme Court and everything else, we got a big problem and it’s going to take a continued mass awakening. We’ve got a president who has opposed MK Ultra mind control since the 80s that I know of. The, the people that I was around, the perpetrators that I was around, feared him because he was absolutely adamantly against mind control. He was against drug and human trafficking across open borders. He was against the sexualization of children, fully understanding that the pedophile agenda is a mind control agenda. And he couldn’t be coerced.

He Couldn’t be blackmailed. He certainly couldn’t be bought off, none of those. And he was acutely aware of what mind control entails. So he has defense against it and an ability to help others wake up. With that said, he’s also given people back their power and telling them that and saying, okay, we’re going to downsize government because we need that government downsize. We need to start, you know, reclaiming our own power. But that doesn’t make him perfect. He doesn’t claim to be. It doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything he does and everything he says, because I don’t.

And, and that’s okay, too. But I can certainly appreciate what he’s done for the children, what he’s done to open the eyes of humanity, and I will forever love that. But I’m not gonna go eat a McDonald’s hamburger and drink a Diet Coke. You know what I mean? No, I know. I’ve been saying, well, we gotta take the wins where we got it and support the wins and support, support the things that are doing good. And then, hey, we can push back against the stuff we don’t like. But let’s not destroy, Burn the whole house down if there’s some good wins here, right? Like.

Like having the. The Department of Education finally, you know, dismantled in the power given back to the states. If it’s back to the states, it’s back to the communities and back to the parents. That’s right. The parents were being stopped from, from being able to even say anything about the indoctrination of their children. And now, you know, we’ve got that back. We’ve got that ability to protect the children again. That’s up to us. And if we can get writing by hand back in the school system, we just need to educate ourselves so we can, you know, reclaim their ability to think free in the school system.

It’s a. It’s an exciting time. But that’s one small example of what’s being done that’s empowering the people. That’s right. Okay, so where can people go to your website? And I mean, they need. People need to go to this. They need to share it. They need to share your work. What is your website? My website is trance- formation.com T R A N C E- formation.com. i’ve got all my books, my book links there. My books are also on audible, which I read them myself, to preserve the integrity of information. Truth is not only censors, it’s diluted.

And there’s a lot of pirated, free ebook copies in my work out there. That alters the information completely. So please, everybody go directly to the source. They can find information secured and many blog posts current to today and, and, you know, in interviews and stuff on my website@trance- formation.com okay. Thank you so much for coming. The great one, Kathy O’Brien on my show. So thank you so much for being here today. Thank you so much for having me. I always appreciate getting to talk with you.
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