MILITARY WHISTLEBLOWER: How Social Media Military Level Psyops are Manipulating You w/ Patrick Bergy

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If you are interested in this I will have a link below so you can try it yourself or go to sarah wessel.com under shop. Remember to use the code Sarah to save 10%. Welcome to Business Game changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have Patrick Berge come into the program. He’s a whistleblower that worked on PSYOP programs for the military and he came out and was blowing the whistle on the fact that social media was being used for psychological operations and in you know, 2016 and even more so in 2020 and we have a deep conversation. It’s shadow gate Shadow Net.

There was a documentary on his, his work and I’ll show a link to where you can watch the full movie, the full documentary. But we’re going to go through some of the things that you might be able to recognize on social media. How do you know if you are being manipulated and what is it that you’re seeing? He’s going to, he’s going to share some information that you probably haven’t heard before, maybe you have, but it’s information all of us needs and I need, you know, I, I even did a 10 part series on mind control and 5th generation warfare and I think about it a lot.

I’m a victim nonstop and I still need reminder on, you know, how to think about it, how to go about it, how not to get sucked into it emotionally. If you allow your emotions to get sucked into something, your ability to think rationally significantly decreases. You know, you get in a fight with somebody you care about, you’re irrational, we all are. And so it’s important not to get emotionally sucked into things. And that’s what they use against you or whatever your psychological profile is. They know what your trigger points are and then that’s what they use against you.

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Okay, let’s get into this interesting conversation that I have with Patrick Bergen. Hi Patrick, welcome back to the program. Hi Sarah, thank you for having me on. You are a whistleblower. You were involved and you, from what I understand you developed a program called Shadow Net, which was a surveillance software application. Can you talk about what your involvement was with that and your background? And then I want to get really into why it’s relevant. Background. Kind of weird. Ran for. I had, you know, married wife, two kids at the time in oh, four ran for supervisor of elections in Pasco County.

Lost against a six term incumbent that was Democrat that had just turned Republican and he was pushing touchscreen voting machines and I was completely pushing paper ballots. Right. Because it’s like stupid and we’ll skip all that. Y’ all know. So after I were ahead of your time. Yeah. Right. So when you lose an election, even though you go into it knowing there’s no way you’re gonna win, you’re trying to make a point. Right. But after you lose, it still sucks. And so. Yeah. And so, you know, I’m like, what can I do? So I came up with the dumbest thing I could think of and that was enlisting at the army at 39.

And they initially told me that I was too old, but then they changed their, lowered their standards and called me back up and said, hey, can you come on in? You gotta hurry though. Because it was just before I was turning 40. I was the first person to turn 40 at basic training in the history of Fort Benning. Wow. Did you do good? Were you able to keep up with the young ones? Oh, no, no, I, I survived. Right. I passed. I met the requirements and they didn’t lower anything for. But was I ever first? No, I would if I was second to last against some like, you know, 29 year old chubby woman, I wouldn’t care.

Yes. I was 39. Right. And they literally the standards were the, the, it was a 35 limit up until then. And there’s a reason for that. Because, you know, I was an IT guy. I was sitting behind a computer, so I wasn’t in any like good shape. They had to send a truck out for me during the first run that I did to evaluate my performance because I never came back. How long of a run was it? That’s hilarious. Oh my God. Did you prep yourself a little bit before you went in or you just went in cold? I did.

No, no, not really. And I did just as bad when I was. When the recruitment guy saw me and they had me run on a track in Tampa and he’s like, ah, it. Screw it, sorry. And he’s just signed me off. I guess the. We were in the middle of two wars at the time and they were really low. Like I said, they were really lower in their standards. But I. And they knew they needed you for like a IT position, right? They weren’t. I didn’t bring PT. I brought it. Yeah. So yeah, I had 10 years in IT, cybersecurity networks and all of that, which I ended up fast tracking through even without having a college degree going in.

You know, I was like an E2 when I went in and then got promoted, made it to pfc. But no, I fast tracked through Fort Gordon. Most of my classes I did the full thing in like four or six weeks. Wow. And so I went in, I got out. I went in and spent one weekend as an MP and then went straight over to JCSE, the joint communication support element over at McDill. And that was like a really high speed communications unit where I ended up getting my clearance. I ended up getting a top secret above top TSSCI there.

And after I finished my required time of service because it was in the reserves and I had met, I had been deployed and all of that. I met all the requirements. I took a job with a contractor and took a job over in Iraq. Contracting company was called, company called Dynology and it was owned by General James Jones and I answered directly to his son. And so from that I took that contract over in Iraq to help build the capabilities. I can never say what we may or may not have done or anything like that, but I helped build the capabilities to provide defense and or offense to the new threats that were facing us with social media.

Right. So I was there. The contract I was there on was like the first or second we replaced another contract while we were out there. So we were really one of the first people out there trying to stand up these Social media, psychological warfare capabilities to be able to both defend us and to be able to help see if we couldn’t reduce casualties or something in the war. And in fact, there are a lot of people that will attribute our group out there, a very small team, for helping to reduce violence enough to be able to have.

When. When Obama came in and just pulled us out of there with no sofa or anything yet. But yeah, we were critical. So you were this mostly in foreign countries that you were doing? Of course. Okay. Military can’t do that to the U.S. okay, well, that’s what I want to talk about. So you were doing social media propaganda type things to keep the violence down in certain countries. We were trying. We were developing tools so that it’s kind of like a project management tool if you’ve got a bunch of analysts and they’re all collecting information. Now, at that time, we didn’t have AI, but they’re all collecting information from social media and this information is being looked at and then determined its value or threatened.

And then you could, you know, then you could potentially take actions. But the only way you could do that is if you were to be able to, let’s say, track the conversations, understand, remember what your conversations were with these people, be able to do it in a way that they could never tell where you were or if you wanted them to, or you make yourself look like you’re coming from where you wanted them to think you were coming from in so many different ways. Right. So that’s why when the, the 17 intelligence agencies came out with the information with that Russia had hacked the dnc, I was like, well, how would you know that? Because I guarantee you I’m good at this, but these guys are way better.

So how would you know, you know, if I could make guys that are way better? Well, let’s say Russia’s Russian people, like, would you say they’re better in Russia and foreign countries? I, you know, I would say they’re probably as good, if not better. I wouldn’t underestimate their capabilities of being able to make it look like. So if I can make it look like I’m sitting in the, in the middle of the Kremlin sending an email out or hacking someone, and I can make it look like that they could, you know, well, they could certainly do it.

And why wouldn’t they? Only why would they make it do it like they were coming right from Russia and such, really questioned whether or not that was. And it would legitimately, maybe they did, I don’t know. But I’m just saying you don’t come out and say it’s no way. When, yeah, there’s a way. There’s a lot of ways. So those are the types of things and that kind of, those are the things that kind of triggered me into writing my first book, Victim of the Swamp. And so you, you felt like you needed to be a whistleblower and share with people what was really going on at some point.

What did you see? See that really I said, made you go out and say, okay, I need to get this out to the people. What was it? I saw some of our old partners, such as Paul Manafort, using and being like arrested for and accused of the same things that our applications were developed and designed to do. And it’s not like you could go to, you know, Best Buy or call up the Geek Squad and get a, you know, tailor made social media psychological warfare app. No, you kinda. There’s a limited amount of people back in 2010 that you could go and use this on in Ukraine, which he was accused of.

And he was our partner at the time. So you were partnering with Paul Manafort. Interesting. And then they turned around and used this on him where in Ukraine or here? Well, I believe that Paul Manafort was taking the applications and others. Right. Or there’s very high likely of it. At very least they were. You go to his website, 3evc and you can go the archive of it back in 2007, 2008, and it shows he was our partner. Right. On his website. We were his number one partner. And so if you’re selling this capability and we’re your number one partner, what are the chances that that capability is coming from us? And if it’s coming from us, it was a taxpayer funded social media psychological warfare application that was developed to be used against our adversaries, not to be sold.

Well, okay, he was in Ukraine, they were using it against our adversaries. Okay, but okay, but then I saw him use sawing the same techniques, the same people, the same network of people, former colleagues of mine, that were directly involved with the 2016 election and the 2020 even more deeply in the 2020. So those were the things I was speaking out about and that really bothered you. Can you give us a couple of examples of how it could be used in a social media context where an average person could identify it or see it, or has experienced it? Like, what would you see that would be what you’re talking about? Well, you know, what Cambridge Analytica was found guilty of and the testimony of that was owned by Steve Bannon.

There were several people that were involved with that. Right. So if you were to look at what they were involved with doing, which was basically influencing moving entire, like countries moving entire movements, then that would be a good example of it. Right, so for example. Okay, so let’s so example. So you would maybe make it look like there was a, a whole grass movement, you know, grassroots movement of people that support an idea that they don’t. You would have social media psychological warfare, iia, which is what it was called at the time, Interactive Internet activities. Before that it was something else.

And after that was MESO military information support operations. They like to change it around and make it sound spoilier, I guess, but the. No that supports iia. Supports IIA and CNO computer network operations support the overall PSYOP mission. Okay. So you would, in a PSYOP mission, in an operation like that, you would have assets that you would have physically on the ground, and then you would also have those assets that would be coordinated with people that work collect that had a lot of data on a subset or group of people that they were trying to influence.

Or better yet, if you’re trying to target like an individual, you would then try to influence. You would target the people closest to him. You would never just try to target the person themselves. If you want to kind of nudge someone in a little way. So that would be like one example. So you would, you would, you would send all this information or something or articles that were already pre written to people that they would then share with the person you’re trying to influence or. That’s a good example. Yeah, you could absolutely do that. Compliment somebody or disparage somebody based on, just to take down their confidence or to make them think differently about certain things.

You could start up, you could start up, you could start up podcasters, social media assets, news organizations, whatever you needed to do. The funding is tremendous and with the data and like, also you could like one person, right? Because these are, you can go out and you saw, you’ve seen this in the past where one person can be like 20 different people, right? So you might have one person going into a chat room with a mission and he could be two or three of the people in that chat room. The admin of that chat room would never be able to tell the server.

Nobody would ever be able to know if someone like me was doing it, that this was happening. Right. So they can actually start arguments between each other, same person, different Personas, starting arguments between each other and bringing Other people in. On both sides. Like, it’s a big issue. How about, like. Because we had a. Steering it an issue in the social media. Where could you prop. Take somebody who’s a little bit mentally unstable and kind of prompt them. Next thing you know, they just start attacking everybody. I don’t know. Where would you find someone like that on social media, Sarah, if you could find someone.

No, that’s exactly. You know, the people that you would work with operationally, literally, are the most unstable people, because you need assets to be able to lie. You need assets to be able to have no empathy, to be able to, you know. So what are we talking about here? Social media? Sociopaths, basically. So those are. You’re going to be your main assets, right? People that are good with this. And the problem, One of the concerns that I see is like, think of how many people that, let’s say they’re, they’re, you know, that’s coming out of like Fort Bragg, right, that are trained in psychological warfare.

And, you know, they’re trained to kill. They’re not trained to wound, they’re not trained to. They’re. They’re. They’re like in basic training, give you a weapon, you train on it, you. They try to remove your emotions from that. And they do this only with people, with social media by the thousands. And then these people leave. And what do they do? Well, they could go into marketing, right? Because that would be great if you, if you’re an H Vac guy in the military, you get out of the military, you go into H Vac, right? You fix AC unit, and that’s great.

If you’re in psychological warfare, most of these people get out of there and they get grabbed up by D.C. lobby firms and organizations like that that understand how they can use a very small amount of money and cause a tremendous amount of damage for their clients or allow them to manipulate the situation. You saw, Cambridge Analytica was tied to setting up prostitutes so that they could blackmail people and say, you know, then you get into blackmail, right? Oh, who does? We see all the people in blackmail with Epstein and all these people. So. And these are people at the highest levels.

You know, they’re probably just ended up sharing that data around everybody. So that would be. Those are good examples. But now. But the fallout from that is, is the average person, American citizen, who’s not trained in psychological warfare, who is caught up into this, they can be very damaged. We. We are unconsciously damaging our population by this abusive online behavior. What is the ramifications of this Kind of mindless warfare that we’re under attack from. It can’t be good. You know, anonymity is the biggest threat, in my opinion. Right. The Internet was never. The Internet was designed to make it so easy for you to be able to share tacit knowledge.

Right. Share. You create a document, you put it out there. You want as many people. It was never meant to manage subscriptions, handle ATMs, banking, all of these things that require that you have a high sense of the person you are speaking to is in fact the person that you believe them to be. And the Internet was never designed for that. Right. You have government networks like the Nipper network. That is. Oh, I see what you’re saying. Other networks are. There’s multiple networks. The Internet’s a public one. There’s multiple other networks. Okay. No, you shouldn’t be.

You know, so I’ve made that argument. The Internet should be for like downloading your Asian porn, not for banking. Right. You should. We. Businesses. Okay. That’s what you do. Apparently. That’s okay. Let’s go. I like to keep the conversation light. Right. For things that are not meant. Right. These are. You don’t. They aren’t meant for that at this point. How are you ever going to do that? Because you never have. You’ll never know with any high confidence. Now, if you build a network out from like that, from the beginning to where anybody that can access it has multiple factor authentications, and you’ve been.

They’ve been in front of you or somebody within your organization, presented multiple documents proving who they are. Yes. Now you’ve got a pretty secure network that you can transact business, you can exchange ideas, science education, all of these things. Elections would be great. Right. But. But we need private networks and we need an Internet can’t just be this free for all of. With no security is what you’re saying, or a network that we all use. It can be. But that’s not. If you’re going to be conducting this kind of. But, but the psychological warfare. I want to go further on this.

I don’t think there’s any kind of incentive since everyone’s on the Internet now. The business drives where people do. So all these financial transactions, sharing everything is going to happen on the Internet because that’s where everybody is. Right? Yeah. So now it’s just about how do we fix this so that it’s not. It’s not a thing that’s destroying our children. It’s not just. I mean, we have come to the point where the applications that you developed were supposedly to protect this country but now it’s being used in a way that’s completely destroying the country in a psychological.

That’s worse. I mean we might as well have just been attacked by bombs and bullets because it’s taking down the country in other ways. Right. I mean the data I’m looking at is showing that. Yeah, yeah. The one solution to that would be the national public Internet, which is what I’ve pushed for. And that would be to basically convert all of the VFWs into micro data centers and then have them all over. So wherever you have a VFW you would, it would be like a cafe slash microdata center and then you connect them all up together and you would be able to create a secure intranet that only American citizens or whoever was authorized on it could get onto it.

Right. To do transact business and such. But that’s where they’re going with the digital id. They’re gonna, they’re gonna say you can’t get on the Internet without a digital id. And they’re gonna try to see. That’s the whole point. Here’s the deal. They create a problem and the solution, the solution could be great. It’s just that now they weaponize the solution and the solution weaponizes worse than the problem we had before. Even though that’s the only solution we have to solve the frickin problem. Does that make sense? Yeah. The solution is not in digital IDing or trying to secure something that was never designed from the beginning to be secure, which is the World Wide Web, the Internet.

Keep that the way it is. Right. You know, the Wild west, it’s always going to be but it has value, it has use. It’s not all bad. But create an environment like, like our elected officials have to where they can do day to day business and do things that allow them in a secure environment that allows them to have a high deal of insurance, of assurance that their, their personal information is not going to be stolen. But then you have to have a digital ID to be able to work with. Yes ma’, am. That’s what I mean.

And that’s where the digital. So now if you want to have a secure environment you can go to the wild west where everything’s in danger and you’re going to be abused and psychologically attacked or you can go to this secure network but you’re going to have to have a digital ID and we’re going to shut down everybody who’s, you know, I mean I don’t Know what’s better? I mean, I can see one is pure transactional. Okay. But, you know, I’m the victim of watching being completely shut down everywhere, probably because I interfere with their psychological operations.

You know, I’m not like part of that. We need to get rid of her because it’s not working with our agenda and plan. But that could be that on steroids if we’re not careful. Well, you know, you would always have both, right? You’d always. You don’t have to use one or the other. Normal would end up being like, what’s happening now is that you don’t. You’re right. It’s like what we have now where we have YouTube, which has 90% of the population, and then we have Rumble on Bitchute where all the freedom people go. And now you just.

You can go there, but you have 10%. And we’re going to sidetrack you as much as possible. You won’t show up in any searches around the world and you guys can have your little playground. But I tried to warn about that sidetracked. And you know, I do think that there’s a place, I do think that those platforms can grow, I think, and we. What we need some. They need some protections from the government so that Google can’t shut these people down and the AIs can’t totally sidetrack them. But I think there’s a place for freedom in that way.

I think we can get there. But. Okay, that’s my thing. But let’s talk a little bit more about the psychological operations so people can identify it. What I see is also see a bunch of trolls telling me to shut up all the time. To me, that is psychological operations on me to take away my confidence and to get me to not, you know, want to do this job anymore. It could be. There could be someone that has a tactical intent for doing that in or an organization, even an individual. Right. A single person could do a lot of damage by themselves to someone just by making crap up and posting it out there with no ramifications to them doing that.

And you left with almost no ability to defend yourself other than it’s the Internet. These are trolls. What do you do? Right. Yeah, but you know, when, when, when someone has. When someone does that and there. And they have to put providence behind what they’re doing and saying. People tend to behave more like they’re at the dinner table, which doesn’t always go well. But they have to pretend they have to behave like they’re more at the dinner table. In front of people because I know who you are than you do if someone’s completely anonymous. So you would be able to control some of that and limit like almost all of that.

And, you know, fraud is a huge problem. So you know how many billions are lost from your personal data, Right? So they, you know, between porch pirates and, you know, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, all of these organizations that live and survive off of your personal data, you know, they control everything. So. And they can control whether or not you’re seen. That was what Shadowgate was trying to expose. Right? And this was the anniversary of Shadowgate back on August 16, where an American journalist was arrested while she was uploading a documentary exposing the weaponization of social media platforms by our government with an application that was basically ran and started by Obama’s National Security advisor, pointing out assets throughout media that were involved in this, and it was buried.

The arrest of an American journalist when she was just doing it in front of her child. So she was doing a great job. I, I’ve interviewed her. It’s a millennial Millie, right? She was doing a. She did a great journalistic piece, she uploaded it and. And then she was smeared and attacked for it. Just a quick break from the program. I need to share with you an urgent manner about scam gold IRAs and the important need to make sure that you’re working with a trusted company in the precious metals space. I have had hundreds of people come to me now where they have lost 50, 60, 70% of their life savings in these scam gold IRAs.

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Yeah, it was, it was nasty, it was tactical, it was coordinated. It was basically what I was warning about. I certainly called that right. Everything about that was, well, in our. It’s the First Amendment is what our founders put first. Because if you don’t have the ability to expose crimes, and this is what this is. If we can’t expose crimes, then our citizens are and Our people and our institutions are at risk. Yeah, yeah. And we paid for it. And, you know, people. Most people don’t even know that. That Shadowgate existed. I uploaded a video for you guys.

I don’t know if you have a chance. If you had a trailer, a little trailer of it. It was Millie’s arrest. And me, I was sitting across the street while she’s on the phone with Gavin, while. While she was getting arrested. Then he. He got arrested on the phone with him. And then I kind of freaked out, thinking I was gonna be next or something. I had no idea what was going on. I mean, she was literally uploading the documentary to infowars, to Alex Jones, who hadn’t seen it, who was right across the street from where I was at.

I was in Houston or Austin at the time. What was the reason they give for her arrest? Oh, my God. It was just. It was. It was a fabricated incident that happened back on April 25th about or between April 20th and 25th, when I had first met them, but first spoke to them over the phone. Within a day or two of that, they were waiting for my book to arrive, and an incident happened with. An incident happened with their mom, where they claim that they caught their mom in the basement, where they had the infowars studio set up, going through their stuff, Right.

Taking pictures of it and going through it. And so that their mom went across the street to a neighbor saying this out in Ohio on a farm area, and apparently she had like a panic attack, and they had to call the. An ambulance because of a panic attack that her mom had. Now her mom’s got some issues, let me tell you. So three, four months later, as they are uploading that documentary that apparently during the middle of COVID they pulled together a grand jury and had a grand jury indictment against Millie and Gavin for, like, either it was originally, like, burglary, but apparently you can’t commit burglary in your own home.

So they ended up changing it. It’s so stupid. That’s when, you know, thrown out and dropped after all the damage had been done within. Millie was fired before she was even out of jail because Roger Stone reached out to. Roger Stone, reached out to Alex Jones, reached said fire her because of the claims I made in Shadowgate about Paul Manafort, which touched home and that were made about him, which. He was Manafort’s partner at the time. So, okay. And so Roger Stone’s one that had Millie fired. Then they attacked and they buried it. Right? The people that I trusted, the people that I Went to.

To actually help the people that I trusted. I sat on Alex Jones show and yeah, it pissed me off. It pissed me off. You know, I spent nearly seven years overseas, two of them in Afghanistan and Iraq. And so, you know, I just. When I was just. I was just. They didn’t stand by their journalists and they didn’t. No. And they buried it. They buried it. They. Even Shadowgate, which was funded by Infowars, was literally removed for a couple days before the outcry forced them to put it back on. On ban video. Right. Well, you know, the interesting.

I was. I’ve never been allowed on. On election. I’ve been banned everywhere and then wouldn’t let me. Yeah, well, that’s what people tell me is that he’s found God now. So we’re okay. So is Roger Stone. I just want to be a good journalist. Right. Let’s or in a good show and let’s tell the truth and let’s get the information out there and let’s do it. And so if that was good journalistic piece on information that need to be out there now, if they found something in that documentary that wasn’t true, they could go through it as an editor and say, hey, we need to take this piece out because I don’t think you have enough proof on this.

But the rest of it stands. Well, right. They had justification to be concerned, all right. Not about the stuff I was putting out there. Tori, the other woman that was in it. Yeah, her sister. Her sister Marie. Tori Morris. Her sister, Marie Helen Morris was the person that worked for the State Department that put together the partnership between the gut between the State Department and the social media platforms Facebook and Twitter. She literally. Tori’s sister, the woman that was like that, that they used to destroy and discredit Shadowgate, her sister. And if you, if you’re like, oh, Bergey’s making this up, you can go on YouTube.

Her sister standing there on YouTube giving a press conference with the State Department seal right behind her, saying how she put that partnership together. Right. So literally the thing that I’m trying to expose was, was embedded with a poison pill called Tori, whose sister was the one I was exposing. So now, I didn’t figure that out for about six months or so. I had no idea. She didn’t disclose to you guys that she had a conflict of interest and then that undermined the whole project. Well, in fairness, she did disclose that she believed in that she was a time traveler.

So I did kind of give. Gavin, are you sure you want to go with this one, Gavin, it wasn’t my production. You mean she. You mean she. She believes that she comes from another time. What? I don’t understand. She’s a time traveler. Yeah. And when. When I found that out, when she told me, I. I met with Gavin. This is like July 4th at this point in 2020. And we were. We had a barbecue. That’s when we recorded Shadowgate. And I met Tori for the first time. And I’m like, you know, you know, Gavin, I mean, you guys, it’s your thing.

You invited me to do this, but, you know. You sure she says she’s a time traveler? Are you sure this is going to be publicly? Just to make sure? Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. No, no, no. It’s so public. Yeah. Now she says. Oh, I’m just joking. But okay, what are we talking about with the psyop? What are we talking about with psychological warfare? Well, if you say that you believe in time travel, what are you doing? Who believes in time travel? Well, it’s different to say you believe in time travel because that’s a scientific conversation, but to say that you actually are a time traveler is a little bit different.

I mean, who. Okay, let’s put it out there. Maybe she is. But. But there’s no proof to that. Anybody? Anybody. And this is just from like a data driven perspective, from a psychological perspective. If you’re trying to get a group of people that you can easily manipulate, what better group of people can you manipulate than a targeted demographic group of people that would believe you are, in fact a time traveler. Not believe in time travel. Not love a great Star Trek episode and go, wow, that was awesome. But believe that you were a time traveler, then you have really targeted a very exploitable demographic.

Shall we? Well, there is a. There’s a podcaster, his name is Phil Godlowski, who sells gold IRAs who are really. They’re stealing people’s life savings. I’m just going to throw it out there and now, whether he’s involved or not, his company that he’s been selling is stealing people’s life savings. And that group of people, for some reason believed all his BS, like he was getting 60 million people watching his show at one time. I mean, this guy was proven to be a pedophile when he was teaching at high school. He was sleeping with this. One of his students had an affair with him that was all over.

He’s been exposed for being really shadowy character. But at the time he was saying all these things, people were trusting. He was calling Himself, the real Snowden, I think. I mean, he was doing all these goofy things and people were following and believing him. But the sad part was, is they were stealing people’s life savings in the process. Yes, yeah, yeah. And you’ll find a lot of people that got involved with the MAGA movement. I was very much involved in, supportive of the MAGA movement. Right. So I’m in. Anything that I say, derogatory or negative about him is going to apply to me.

But if you are, if your demographic is maga, then you have very, very specific vulnerabilities that a sociopath would just have a field day trying to exploit. Well, we all do. Great. We all have vulnerable vulnerabilities. And they try to figure. Yes, but when you get, when you get groups together. Right. So individually we have vulnerabilities. What you’re looking for in an IIA operation or if you’re, if you’re an individual like that who’s trying to get a small group of people working for him that just kind of believe in him and believe in everything so he can do his bad things, then, you know, you target those people because of, you exploit those very specific vulnerabilities.

And there are. Actually I was the IT guy. I’m not sitting here talking like I’m some sort of psychological genius. I was the IT guy that kept their networks running. But I also paid attention, so you should too. But, but see, what I want people to know, I did this series on fifth generation warfare and mind control, which is a lot of what you’re talking about here. I would really like for people to understand when they, when they encounter it, that what they’re seeing may not be what they think they’re seeing and that they have to be careful because what you’re seeing online, a lot of this stuff is manufactured for your, to influence you and to control you.

And especially with kids, there’s a, Children are really struggling right now with psychological issues because that’s what they’re, they’re under assault. I mean, for the most part I, that’s, I don’t think that’s a stretch to say that. No, it’s not. And you have many different groups that target people. You have, you know, obviously have political organizations, D.C. lobby firms that have tremendous, you know, basically unlimited money, although that’s getting lowered down a bit. But you know, you also have, you also have, you know, non profit organizations and things like that that don’t always have the best interest that people use and exploit the goodness of people who want to help out these nonprofit organizations.

Right. And good people are easy to be exploited too, because they care about people. So that’s why they always, when they’re trying to do propaganda and to drum up support for a war, they always say that the. Whoever they’re against even. It could be true though. But they’re saying that they’re raping and murdering children and, and women and all these bad, these, this. And if they only say that because I’ve been noticing it and been listening to some propaganda lately, I want to see some of the patterns. That’s what they lead with and they don’t follow up with anything else.

Now they could be doing some of that stuff, but you know that they’re trying to influence you and get you to support, support something because that’s all they’re talking about. Yeah. In a war type situation. Now that’s different if you’re trying to get them to support like against human trafficking or something like that. Because they really are doing that stuff and we gotta stop it. But when it comes to like supporting a war in Afghan or wherever, Middle east or Ukraine and that’s all they use, it’s like, come on, you know, you know that it’s an effort.

Right? You’re not wrong. But even the human tr. I would, I would not exclude human trafficking organizations where people are out there because like how many times have you heard that this non profit organization set up to defend human trafficking was in fact caught what human trafficking? A lot of the. A lot. You know what though? That’s, but all that’s actually true. It’s, it’s. A lot of the human trafficking fronts are, are the worst offenders. And I don’t want to say everybody is because there’s some great ones that we need to be supporting without supporting the good ones where it’s really bad.

How do you know what one. The good ones are? I don’t know. And they also. The other thing is, is that they use those organization. Let’s take down our competitors, the human traffickers, take down their competitors through these organizations because that clears the road for them. I watched that with like these guys are doing something. I’ve watched that with IIA, right. I watched that when General McChrystal, they were trying to take down General McChrystal for using IIA with his basically funding $60 million to weaponize social media influencers in Florida back in 2020 for the, during the election.

And the people that were calling him out were my former colleagues who are now working for Fox News. And like the White House correspondent for Fox News, Jillian Turner was calling them out. But yet she was the vice president of Jones Group International, General Jones’s company and you know, literally would have been the one would have been involved with like an application contracts like the Shadow Net. So, you know, I’m so glad we’re having this conversation. This is really important. I know you’re, you have been trying to get this information out and you’ve suffered a lot for it.

So I thank you that you have. I think the next phase in our, our maturity with the Internet is for us to start to understand how to handle this and confront it and to mature past it. I think there’s a maturity growing in my age group and people who are just like, okay, I’m starting to see some patterns here and I’m not. First of all, you don’t get sucked in emotionally because then you get your, your thinking abilities are too irrational, you can’t think. So they want to get you emotionally right. But I think that’s what’s so important about you getting out there and sharing with people your experience.

And we need more people like you to educate and inform people how to deal with this new terrain because it’s destroying people, especially young kids and minds. And there’s a stress level collapse happening. People are really struggling and so we need to learn how to deal with this crap. Oh yeah, gaming industry. You know, video games are great. I’m nothing against video games. This isn’t an anti video game thing, but their data is tremendously valuable. It’s, they’re collecting data on kids who are going to grow up to be adults. And so by the time, you know, if you started gaming like about it, within the last 10 years, by the time, you know, when you were like in your teens, within 20 years, they’re going to have such a predictive behavioral profile built on you from all the data they’ve collected based on your movements, your acuity, your everything.

Oh my God. They’re going to, it’ll be, it’ll be one step ahead of you with everything that you try to do. That’s right. That is right. Well, if we’re, if we act, the adults in the room, the adults that care, I mean, we’re surrounded by certain number of psychopaths, we know that. But the mature adults in the room that actually care about our country needs to identify this and start leading and start saying, okay, we need to solve. And I know there’s good ones on all sides of the aisle and all organizations at universities and companies, every Walks of life, there are adults in the room.

And that’s when we need to start saying, okay, we need to start taking control of this and understanding it generationally. We need to. Yeah, yeah. People have to start preparing themselves. I, you know, I’m 59 and I know, right. But think of what I saw. Think of what I went through with the technology stage of it. Right. And so since like, the mid to early 90s, I’ve been involved in. In computers and social networks, the growth of it. I was involved with originally converting Florida Heart and Vascular’s paper charting to digital. Right. These things are huge.

That was a huge moment in our culture because once we digitized all of our patient files and such, think about how that advanced our ability to diagnose and treat and share information. Yeah, no, that’s a good for our health. Yeah. So, yeah, I’ve watched all of this, and then I get into the early, you know, 2000, early, you know, like 2008 or so, and I’m like, oh, my God, what’s going on? Then we hit 2015, and I’m like, oh, Jesus, this is really bad. I know. Yeah. And most people have no clue because these are, you know.

Yes. People have been. There have been con artists and all these things going on for a long time. Snake oil salesman, all of these things. But no one, no one’s ever been able to weaponize it so broadly as they can with social networks. And, you know, we’ve never given any consideration. It’s always just been, sure, that sounds good. Try it, and let people do whatever the heck they want. And they. Without thinking that, wow, this is potentially going to have some very bad ramifications because, you know, AI right now basically controls all the algorithms. And so if AI, if, you know, if a company is trying to satisfy their shareholders, then the AI is going to automatically.

And we’re already seeing this where AI is pushing content like from Palestine, from wars to mothers, specifically because of the heartstrings of the. The mother will feel towards a child. AI is already doing that there. You know, that. I mean, how can that be good? Where it’s. Unless you’re an investor. If you’re an investor, that’s probably great. Companies can do great. That’s what we’ve gotten to. And the government, actually, we. A lot of these companies are controlling things, government by proxy. Right. They’re in bed behind the scenes, and it’s. They’re shutting down very good voices who.

They just don’t want to mess up their agendas. And then they’re also using all this radical information to do exactly what you’re talking about. And then of course, just like the human trafficking fronts, they’re shutting down the people who maybe should. That are, you know, that maybe we all kind of want at least not that are doing illegal activity. Okay. They’re doing their job. But then they can point to that and then. And then lump everybody else into that. Just kind of the, like the human trafficking fronts where they take down their competitors. It’s. It ends up being a way to weaponize every.

I mean just weaponize it for whatever agenda you’re going after. I think your voice is more important now than ever. I know that you’ve been. Been disillusioned a bit and smeared. Yeah, I shut all of my stuff down except for my occasional rant on my personal Facebook. But what you said, pointless. Well, and I understand that Facebook probably didn’t support you that great either. I think what someone like you, My high school friends. Yeah, well, you know. I know but you, you should be a consultant. Consultant. I mean people should be consulting people like you. You should be in high demand to the out there.

The only as we mature, these are the. We need to understand that people like you are valuable and we just haven’t gotten there yet. We will. I. I have a marketing company that I’m. That I’ve been doing and I do it ethically. Right. And I’m trying to. You’re an industry, business, industry changing thing. If there’s. I can’t do much if anything out there. The only thing I could do that I think would actually have any benefit or impact would be able to testify in front of Congress. Right. But interviews like this and such are, I don’t think are ever going to solve it because they control the data.

They control it. I don’t think this interview isn’t in itself going to solve any problem. What this interview does is start getting people thinking so that they can start to inform. Like I was saying, we need to have. We need to mature and become more informed, be a more informed citizenry. And the adults in the room need to start coming up with solutions so that we are not victims in this game and someone like you can help come up with solutions. We have to if we want to. Unless we want to suffer through this. This. I don’t know what bad.

What do you call, you know, we’re in this. Yeah, yeah. Madness. Kind of. That’s what I’m doing with my. That’s what I’m doing with my marketing and with my Coffee business. I’m. My marketing is ethical, right. It doesn’t violate standards. I use AI and stuff only as tools to help reduce the amount of people that I need to generate a good quality content for a customer. And I don’t spam. I don’t do any of these things that are so traditional in marketing. So I’m trying to enter into the market, into the marketing marketplace with a different business model that doesn’t sell data.

Right. I’m not my business model. I optimize sites not by selling data or driving people using data to the site. I optimize the site so that it’s considered an authority. And so the algorithms see it as an authority and send customers to it. Because the algorithms no longer want to just get the highest bid they want. They saw that they were losing customers. Google was losing customers just taking $1,000 from the shyster attorney because he had the highest bid on a keyword car crash in a certain area. Right? And literally those keywords go for a thousand bucks a pop.

You click an attorney’s website like that, boom, thousand bucks. Now most, you know, but averages range like 10, 20, 30 bucks you can bid on keywords. Another way to do it, though, is to have your site be an authority, meaning that you have legitimate content on there. You have a product, you provide information that’s good. And when the algorithms send a customer there, they’re going to have a great experience. The site’s going to be fast. It’s going to have the information they’re looking for instead of trying to do tricks and stuff to optimize people’s. And I’ve been guilty of that.

I’ve done the white on white pages back in the late 90s to trick the, to trick the algorithm, to trick the search engines into thinking that this was the site to go to because it had keywords in it, buried white on white on pages no one would ever see. Have a choice. A lot of the resumes, people didn’t have a choice. Well, we always have choices, but it just worked really well and it seemed hard. But with rem, with resumes and stuff, people didn’t have a choice where they had to add, otherwise they would never get an opportunity for any job.

Yeah, it was, it seemed harmless at the time, but now people have. People have seen that. Okay. Which. That is harmless. That’s what we need to have. Yeah. People saw that that could be used to do whatever the heck they want, even really, really bad things. And that’s where we’re at right now. And so as a business, as an industry, I would like to try to be able to have this methodology, this model, this ethics help shape the marketing industry, which is a big part of the problem in my opinion, when it comes to. Not the political, well, even the political stuff, but yeah, marketing.

And that’s going to be a big impact on people. So if a company, if I’m successful, then other companies are going to have to follow my model in order to be successful. And so that’s one way to make change in an entire industry. And maybe I’ll fail, maybe it’s a bad idea, but at least it is SEO. Okay, it is SEO. You’re optimizing your SEO. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Setting up backlinks which are kind of going away a bit, but not. And those backlinks, your, your Optima optimization, the speed your page loads. If you just. And the words that you use, make sure that the keywords, you know, h, everything.

These things are what? These things will increase your odds on someone going to your site just as much as they will paying 10, 20, 30 bucks to get that keyword because people are understanding that it’s not as valuable to them sending their customer and losing a customer over that thousand bucks that might be here 10, 20 years from now. Right. So, yep, there you go. That’s a good way. Well, where do people find your marketing website and where can people follow you? I don’t know if you’re on social media, but where can they at least see what you’re doing from a business standpoint? From the business standpoint, I’ll have probably in about maybe 4 weeks, I’ll have itkm2.com itkm the number2.com Information Technology Knowledge management marketing solutions.

Do you have a LinkedIn? No, it’s not. And I can add it to it. It’s a construction page right now and it says amazing things are coming and they are. So, you know, I’m gonna. Not only do. I do like websites and such, I have coffee and I’m doing branding around people such as yourself, you know, influencers and like that to be able to offer them ways that are good and ethical. Here you want to help support me. Here’s a really good product that you can actually use that will actually benefit you and it’s not bad and grow as opposed to being at the whims of advertisers or, you know, things like that.

So these are. I’m trying to help in ways like that, Sarah. I really am excellent. Well, thank you. Thank you so much for joining the program and informing our audience about Shadow Net and everything you’ve done in the past. Interesting. Or Shadow Gate, Shadow Network. So thank you so much for joining the program. Thank you. Thank you. Sa.
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