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➡ The CSBOA.org’s weekly webinar featured Sheriff Bob Songer from Washington State. Sheriff Songer discussed the challenges his department faces due to lack of funding and manpower, with only two or three deputies covering a large county. He criticized the state government for prioritizing social programs over law enforcement and expressed concern over the safety of his deputies and citizens. Sheriff Songer also mentioned his opposition to a grant with strings attached that he believes is an attempt by the governor to control law enforcement.
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➡ A man, who is a violent sex offender and illegal immigrant, was arrested while trying to escape by boat. The arrest was made possible by the combined efforts of local law enforcement and a canine unit. The incident has sparked a debate about the role of local law enforcement in dealing with illegal immigrants and the need for more funding and support from the government. The state of Washington is criticized for its perceived lack of cooperation with federal immigration enforcement efforts.
➡ The speaker discusses concerns about progressive ideologies, the importance of religion, and the influx of people from liberal cities into their county. They also express worries about immigration and the role of ICE, as well as potential voter fraud and the need for election integrity. The speaker supports the use of paper ballots and believes that sheriffs should investigate any crimes in their county, including potential voting crimes. They also mention their upcoming retirement and hope to continue supporting the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace office.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another edition of the CSBOA.org’s weekly Wednesday webinar, the Posse Webinar, where members of the posse get an opportunity to sit down and speak with people like Sheriff Mack and Sam Bushman and special guest stars like this week’s featured sheriff from Washington State, Sheriff Bob Songer. And we are welcoming Mr. Songer back. It’s been a while, but we enjoy it every time he shows up. We want to, before we get started, remind everyone that we’re supported entirely by your donations. Generous offerings in any way, shape or form, including purchases at the store or donations through donate SSPOA.org otherwise you can mail and there’s a mailing address on the site.

Silver coins, gold coins, everything’s accepted. We appreciate it. Sheriff Mac’s on the road this week, so we’re going to take it on ourself to happily explain to you what’s happening in the world and to bring you up to date with what’s happening with the cspoa. Sam, welcome to the show and I’ll let you. Thank you, sir. Glad to be here. Want to give my advice on donations, which just start with a positive number and add zeros. I mean, they’re nothing anyway, right? So just add zeros and donate and smile and we’re just grateful for all your support, people.

Thanks for having us, Jack. Yeah, you’re welcome. We appreciate you being here. We want to welcome Bob Songer, sheriff of Klick Attack county in Washington state, a state that’s under fire in terms of sheriffs, anyway. And anyway, how are things in Klick Attack County Sheriff Bob Songer. Bob, let’s ask this then. When he says you’re under fire, is that an understatement? Let’s start there. Yeah, it certainly is an understatement. Yeah, I know, it’s crazy. I’ve been real busy. There’s just a lot going on. They took the jail away from me here a while back. And so we’re fighting with the commissioners to get a minimum manpower staffing.

We’re down to two deputies, and if we pay overtime out, we’re down to three deputies for the entire county. I think it’s about 1480 square miles, two hours from one end of the county to the other. And those deputies are running. I’m concerned about their welfare. I mean, they’ve created Board of County Commissioners. The prior board created an unsafe working condition for the deputies as well as the citizens. You know, we all serve. And the problem with that is they’re always saying they don’t have the money. But even though by the constitution, their primary job government is safety for our citizens.

That’s their primary job. But they got a lot of social working programs they like to put in place. And you’ll get a kick out of this. Our illustrious governor Fergie, I call him Bob Ferguson, that little guy along with left leaning legislature passed a law that he’s so concerned about law enforcement he’s going to have 100 million set aside for law enforcement. Well that’s all smoke and mirrors because we all know Bob Ferguson. In my opinion, he don’t like cops, he anti police, defund the police. Now all of a sudden he’s governor. He’s throwing this out to kind of make himself look good.

But there’s a lot of strings attached to that grant. And one is you have to. If they were going to give us say three deputies and they pay 75% of it for three years and then the county has to pick the whole, you know, the whole thing up. And the county can pass a 2, they can file for 2/10 or 1% sales tax but if it passes by the people it has to be voted on. But it’s a law and justice levy and then the state gets I think 1% of that. Right. So Fergie’s getting some of that back and all kinds of strings attached that officers have to go through woke training and huggy feely programs and all of this.

And if they don’t, you don’t qualify. By the way, where do they get the money for all those kind of programs? Well, I think they’re going to think they’re going to bring it off sales tax because government’s getting. State government will get a portion of that 2/10 as I understand it. And it’s a bad deal. I told the board of county commissioners yesterday in their update that I would not support being. I would not support going for the levy or going for the grant. Grant. It’s another way that our governor is trying to control sheriffs and police departments and in this case even the board of county commissioners and stupid.

That becomes a conflict of interest in a hurry if we’re not very careful. Let me ask you this. What do you need in terms of real staffing for your county to be. Because to me right now it sounds like to me we’ve created a security risk for the American people in your county. What does it really take to just to solve that to make it right? What would it really, what does it look like? Okay, right now we’ve got 19 sworn. Three of those positions are not filled yet. They’re people that left or whatever. So three of those are not filled.

However, here’s what to keep in mind. This is where I tell the board of commissioners. For over 20 years, over 20 years prior boards, including this one, have not added one deputy to the department, one additional deputy to the department, not one. And our population in this county has grown double. We went from about 10, 12,000. Now we’re up around 22 to 25,000 people. And the crime rate has gone crazy. So we have, like I said earlier, two deputies or three at best, patrolling the entire county from call to call. And this year so far, I think there was like 5,000 some calls that came in.

Now, for a big area, that doesn’t sound like a lot, but for clickety county, that’s a lot of calls. So let me ask you this. Are the citizens aware, number one? Number two, how concerned are they? Well, I think they’re going to get real concerned because I’m going in October, I’ll be launching my town hall meetings again and I’ll be telling the citizens, I don’t want to do this, but I’m going to have to cut services. I just don’t have the manpower. The board of commissioners has created unsafe working conditions for our deputies and the citizens of our county that I serve.

And I don’t care what they have to say. Poor me, poor my. We don’t have the money and all kick that can down the road. And so I told them, but they have money for the touchy feely programs, Jack. I find that fascinating. Yeah, yeah. And you know, when they took the jail over, the prior board, Lori Zoller and Jake Anderson, the two that hated me and hated Loren Cope when I hired Lauren as a manager, when they took the jail over, I had 1.7 million in my sheriff’s budget for the jail. Well, they took that course because now they’re running the jail under state law.

The commissions are. And then they reached over into my budget and defunded that budget by 382,020 bucks and walked it over and put it in the jail. Now, the management position, Loren Kolk, was being paid out of my budget, out of the sheriff’s budget, not the jail budget. So they reached over and took that. And so now they came out here about, oh, in May or June, said, oh, there’s an oversight in the budget. 25 budget. Anderson and Zohar was a voting party on that oversight. Sheriff, we owe you money. For you to fill those three positions.

And here’s 240,000 back and oh my God, here’s $240,000 back. And of course we threw in that part of that 240,000 was an extra 80,000. Big of them. It’s all BS. It’s a shell game. So I requested the other 136,000 to make up for the 382,000 they took out of my budget to come back. And they’ve been fighting me on that ever since. And I’m entitled by origin state law to depend on the number of deputies you got entitled to appointed management positions. So Jack, I look at this, what’s happening to Bob Songer as well as what’s happening in the state of Washington, and I’m saying to you flat out there is an assault on the office of sheriff.

And I don’t believe I’m overstating the issue, Jack. No, I agree with you 100%. It looks like they’re doing the same thing to the sheriff’s department through the back door that they tried to do with the police department and that is get rid of them. And I guess that they are looking to have Washington state just be a lawless territory, you know, maybe drop back to the state when they were no longer a real state. Well, either that or turn them into appointed people that all do the bidding of the all powerful governor. And you know, you got basically just a top down control state.

That’s what I’m seeing. So, Sheriff Salinger, what about Bill 1399? It looks like it’s stalled in process somewhere along the line. Refresh my memory on that. That’s the one where they want to be able to modernize, harmonize and clarify laws concerning your policies and so forth. Well, they did it in this last Bill, I can’t recall 15. Yeah, I don’t have it right in front of me, but they passed that and part of that for the, for the grant money I was talking about. Part of that is the sheriff cannot have. The only volunteers you can have is somebody to direct traffic or park cars at events.

Other than that can’t happen. Wow. And they, and they would reject the latitude of the sheriff by force of law statewide, right? Yep, absolutely. And what happened prior to this one being passed, and gentleman put it quite clear, it’s a backdoor approach. What they tried last year, they tried to say that let’s say you wanted to run for sheriff, Sam, so you go to file for sheriff, they say, oh no, you got to go through a background with the state training commission or state training commission, go through a background, got to take a poly, got to take a psych.

And if we decide the training commission, decide your good candidate, then you can file for sheriff. But during the time you’re sheriff and you can file for sheriff, then the public gets a chance to elect you. Say you get elected sheriff, during the time you sheriff, you speak out against for you or one of the, you know, the far left nonsense. One of the gods. Yeah. Then they can review, remove you from office without a vote of the people. The other problem with that in my mind is if they’re going to create such stringent standards at the get go, then what they’re really doing is selecting a sheriff and then pretending that you elect your sheriff.

Because if I’m forced to pick from their cherry picked, quote, candidates, then you’ve been shanghaied and your election has been fraud before you even get to vote. Yeah. Now the votes might not be fraud. They might square that away because they got another way to impact the selection, Jack. Yeah, well, that may be the case. I just find this viscerally repugnant. It feels very uncomfortable for me to think the states are dismantling their sheriff’s departments. And then this comes at a time when the sheriffs are required more than ever. And that’s not by design or is by design.

There’s no accident. And so I’m, I’m concerned that, you know, the old type of sheriff like Sheriff Bob Songer will be a thing of the past before long as they begin to move these wonks in that are just basically glorified, you know, government officials as though they’re in a police station in some town somewhere and, you know, wear a badge to go out and do what they’re told to do is. Yeah, a lot of times it’s DEI hires. A lot of times all they want to do is do public campaigns and run around and get their picture taken and be a rock star and they might possibly, you know, serve somebody or be there when a great takedown happens so they can get, you know, plenty of credit along the way.

But the real gutted sheriff acting on our behalf to intercede, to interpose, to stand in defense of our God given inalienable rights as our local elected servant of the people. That’s what will be missing, folks, if this is allowed to stand. Now, it’s also important, Sheriff Sanger, that we talk about, you’re having your own personal issues in your county. That’s probably one of the better counties. This is an Assault all over the state. We’re hearing from sheriffs all over with similar but different issues. Many of them are getting attacked in the press. Why don’t you start there, sir? Yeah, there’s no doubt about it.

I have a group of people in our county that just hate Bob Saunders. You can’t believe how much they hate Bob. And of course I love Bob Songer people. One of their commissioners, Laura Zoler, she’s rhino. She ran as a Republican because generally Republicans don’t get elected to board of county commissioners. So she knew that. She ran as a rhino. And the sad part about it at the time, she snowed me because I voted for her. Bottom line though, she’s associated with the far left group that just despise me. And you know, I provide them service as well as anybody else in the county, but I don’t buy into their nonsense and their politics and that’s what’s got them upset.

And it’s just, it’s a constant fight. When I created the posse, when I first took office, I call it a posse because I’m a sheriff. You know, it’s a posse. It’s a volunteer organization. And that posse is up to 179 members right now. And we created a sheriff’s posse Scout program, 10 years old to 17. And then we got about 20 of them in there and we’re recruiting in that program, but they volunteer. And our posse is a working posse, but the posse is. They work all the events because we don’t have the sworn deputies do that.

So they work all these events. I got volunteer pilots, I got five pilots. We call it an air wing, Sheriff’s air wings. They volunteer, they fly for no cost to the taxpayer and help us out. Bad guys, lost people, smoke where there shouldn’t be smoke. Yeah. See, every politician in the, in the world should love that. But here’s the problem. They don’t control the money and the purse strings and therefore they don’t like it. Exactly. You got it spot on, Sam. But you know, it’s a sad situation. When I first created the posse, this group, I’m telling me that loves me so much.

So this is no joke. The sheriff’s got a posse comitatas out there and they’re going to run around hanging illegal from oak trees. That’s the kind of nonsense. But that’s changed the attitude public, the majority of the public, the attitude has changed. They support the posse, they want the posse at different events. And so thank God that’s changed. But we still have the Group that hate them. We want to get rid of them. Well, they carry a gun, but they’re qualified to carry a gun through NRA classroom and range qualifications. And anyway, they just have a real fit over that nonsense.

So tell us about the broader state battles that are happening. Gun control is one of the big issues that they’re playing games with. The list goes on. Right? Oh, my God, yes. Well, your school boards. If you want to be a cat today, you can dress as a cat. If you want to be a dog, you can dress as a dog. I mean, it’s nonsense, transcendent, trans and all that garbage. The. The problem is with. And I got going there and lost my train of thought. But what was the question, Sam? I’m saying in the state, there’s a lot of different issues.

The battles that you’re having with a lot of your budget, they’re trying to decrease your budget to turn you into just a paper pusher, but they’re doing it all over the state. Different sheriffs are being assaulted in the press over different topics. Gun control being one of them, the border patrol or border issues and immigration being another. And I was just saying start there and kind of help people understand because we’re going to be having a big event coming up, we hope, in Washington state. And I want to set the stage of the reasons why. Right.

Good. Gun control. Our governor is Fergie Ferguson. Ferguson, he would love to take all your guns away from you. They just passed a law and it’s so ridiculous. Goes into effect, I think May 1st of 2027, portions of it. But let’s say May 1st, 2027, you go to buy a firearm. Well, you have to get a permit from the government to go buy this firearm. But before you buy the firearm, you have to qualify on the range with it. While it’s a little backward, how do you get a gun permit from the state? You know, this is not a concealed permit.

This is a different permit. Even allow you to buy a gun. So they’ve got that going. And then every year the sheriff is required do a background on your CPL concealed weapon permit to make sure that you’re still eligible to carry a concealed weapon. And it goes on and on. I mean, there’s a whole bunch of stuff in there that in fact, if you don’t. If your gun is stolen out of your house and you don’t report it stolen, and you might be a situation where you didn’t even know it was stolen, but you don’t report it stolen, you can be Charged by the state for not reporting that gun stolen if it’s found.

You know something. Yeah. Now that’s victimizing the victim. Absolutely, absolutely. And it goes on and on. I’ll give you a real quick. I just did a press release on the radio show this morning on September. Anyway, September 19th, our. Our deputies were contacted. Sergeant Adam diamond, he was contacted by the U.S. marshals, and they said, we need your assistance. We have a guy that is in your county just east of Roosevelt, and he’s a boat dock down there. We’ve got his car under Savannah, but he’s out on a boat fishing or something. So we got her boat out, sheriff’s boat, and they were patrolling the river.

We had one of our deputies and our new canine dog, Zeus. Anyway, they’re there and a couple marshals, while they’re searching a river for this guy, the guy shows up at the dock and gets into his car and he’s got a propensity for violence, fleeing, eluding, and he’s a sex offender. All right, so they cook him. They, they go down there and they take him into custody. And he decided he wasn’t going to run because he seen that canine dog there. So they took him into custody. You know what he’s charged with? He’s charged the rape of a child and domestic violence, incest of a child and domestic domestic violence.

And guess what? He’s an illegal alien in our state. But why? And that’s not uncommon. And by the way, this is a situation where you hear jack about one in, I don’t even know how many, but a few of them make the mainstream press for certain reasons, but most of them don’t. And this is what we’re dealing with in America as we’ve been invaded, where they try to pretend Trump’s crazy. It’s not true. It is true. Bob Songer and others are stepping up and telling their truth tellers, letting us know the truth. And it’s time for we, the American people, to say, look, we’re not going to tolerate this.

I appreciate what Tom Holman’s doing, but I submit to you that Tom Holman hasn’t been given all the funding that he needs. The funding comes from who? Isn’t it Kristi Noem that’s got the funding kind of thing? Well, let’s see if we can’t. Where’s Christy? What’s happening? So there’s some concerns there, in my opinion, Sheriff Songer. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, I wish Tom Holman would call me. I’d write a Shotgun with him. We’d go out and collect some illegals up, I think. But, you know, by state, Washington state, they don’t want local law enforcement, whether it’s a sheriff or police chiefs cooperating with ice.

Oh, my gosh, that would be bad. But I made it very clear, if ICE comes in here and needs help rounding up, like the guy they just rounded up was talking about, I’m all for it. All for it, 100%. Well, my question for the state of Washington is why would you be in the way of President Trump, the commander in chief of the United States, primarily responsible, when you look at delegation and authority in the Constitution, the government, the general government, is responsible for the welfare of our nation, protecting us at the borders, etc. We have a former president that betrays us.

That’s my humble opinion, to which I’m entitled. But then he basically lets an invasion happen. And now we’re dealing with cleaning up the after effects of that by removing the criminal, illegal alien element of our society that’s wreaking havoc on the poor, innocent citizens of this country. Something has got to step up and change. And my question for the state of Washington is, what part of that don’t you understand? You work for the citizens. You work for the. Protecting the citizens is your primary responsibility. Downstream from that, we can talk about things, but if you don’t have that right, you become interference.

And Tom Holman and others, President Trump, they have the authority. If there’s interference in that, protection of the American people. There’s a big problem there. Now, whether Tom Holman and President Trump are going to push that, I don’t know. But I’m telling you, that’s the reality, that they have authority there. And I think that what we need to do is, hey, why would you be in the way of protecting the citizens of your general government? They’re part of the United States, the state of Washington and the county, in Bob’s case, of course, attack county. Why would you be in the way of protecting the citizens? Yeah.

What agenda do you have and what money is behind your stance? That’s what I want to know. Good point. Am I too far out, Bob? No, you’re spot on. You know, it’s just amazing. Do you realize in the state of Washington this is a fact? So, Sam, you and I could wait across the Rio Grande. Our pant legs are still wet. We go to dol, Department of Licensing, the state of Washington, they know we’re illegal. I could even tell them I’m illegal. I’m not here I’m not a citizen. They’ll issue me a driver’s license ready for this, and register me to vote.

I’m in business in the state of Washington. It’s bizarre. Bizarre. Jack, do you want to respond to all this stuff? Yep. Lots of things to say about it. I see. First of all, your wonderful Governor Ferguson got the lowest ratings in 30 years sometime in July. I see that on public radio where that story was reported. And it’s probably clearly because he doesn’t represent the people of Washington at all. He seems to be a political opponent that’s put in to agitate his interests in ice. And the various things that ICE are trying to do in Washington state to clean it up appear to be entirely political.

And his response to Pam Bondi, of course, has been heated. He’s in the news repeatedly saying that he’s not going to respond to Washington’s attempt to put pressure on him to do, you know, things that they’re calling related to tyranny. And, yeah, now we do need to be clear about this, Jack, just so people understand we’re different. Most conservatives. Most conservatives are like, hey, he has to help, right? They don’t realize that the truth is from Sheriff Mack’s Supreme Court case. And we’ve got to be fair on both sides of the aisle. That’s why the CSPOA is nonpartisan.

But the point that I’m getting at here is in this situation, look, you got to understand, it’s a responsibility. It’s not something that could just be tossed around or changed on a whim or we have an opinion. The Supreme Court cases ruled in Sheriff Mack’s case that, hey, the sheriff can’t be controlled by the general government. So the Trump administration can’t force the sheriff to help and can’t force the sheriff not to help. Okay? Each sheriff can decide. That’s the latitude of the sheriff’s office. However, there’s a big difference between whether I help or not versus whether I hinder and run interference or get in the way.

And that’s where the rub becomes. Many of these governors, many of these sheriffs, they are getting in the way of the general government doing its delegated responsibility, protecting us from border breaches. Sheriff Sanger, am I explaining this very well or no? Is this how it is? Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, it’s one of those deals that I served as a police chief in Elko, Nevada, for four years. My boss was the mayor of city council, right? Not the people necessarily, but my boss was the mayor of the city council. They didn’t like what I said or what I did.

They could, here’s a door, pack of stuff, get out. Okay. And if I had a contract, I could get paid what remaining contract I had. But they could. But I wasn’t smart enough to have a contract. But in any way they have that authority. You’re out of here. Okay? With a sheriff, and you touched on it. With the sheriff elected, the only boss he has is the public in his county. That’s the only boss. The citizens, not people who put him there. Exactly. And let me add to this. The county commissioners, the governor himself, they take an oath.

To do what? Uphold the Constitution. They violate that constantly flat violated. They take that oath, walk away, have a couple drinks and okay, I’m boss, I’m running the show. Maybe we better throw down some serious training for some of these people then so they can learn the truth and learn how to behave according to their oath of office. You know what? I’ve got a friend of mine, he’s pretty sharp wordsmith. I’m not as you can tell, but he’s pretty sharp guy. And so I brought up to him, I said, why don’t we throw it out there? It’s not going to go anywhere.

We know that, but why not? All elected officials, whether it’s a governor, attorney general and his staff, judges, prosecutors, you name it, go through the same background investigation, lie detector and a psychological test before they can take office, just like in law enforcement. Well, they won’t, they won’t allow that to happen. They’ll create a super pac, Jack, where they’ll get plenty of bucks to shut that right on down. And then the super PAC will be basically dark money where you can’t tell the sources of it. See, that’s how they’ll usually operate. And when they do that, you know, they’re operating against the American people’s interest or they wouldn’t go to such lengths to hide their funding, to hide their actions and transactions.

They’d be forced to be candid and accountable for those things. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that’s just an example. But it’s so bad here in the state of Washington, honest to God, guys, it is so bad. And that’s of course, I said the magic word there, God. That’s the other thing. You got these far left progressives trying to destroy religion. Absolutely. Trying to destroy religion. God is our creator. It’s right in the Constitution. God is our creator. And so, you know, they’re so far out of whack and nuts about things that they don’t believe in God, or if you like, why aren’t the 10th amendments in our schools? Why can’t we say a prayer in our schools? Rules.

God is. But no, you can be a furry animal or trans and all this nonsense. That’s how bizarre this has gotten. And the problem is, we got a lot of people that move into our county from Seattle, Portland, and when they get here, then they run for school boards, mayors, city council, county commissioners. When they get in, then they’re woke, nonsense comes out. They bring the damn thing with them when they move into our county. And if you want to move into our county as a conservative and a true patriot, welcome. Otherwise, stay home. There it is.

Jack. You know, and I was just looking through the news for the state and the. And the number of arrests and so forth that have been made, you know, by ice, etc. And. And they’re claiming that, you know, the people they’re taken out of here have been. Have prior warrants or convictions for murder, rape, assault, sexually assaulting children. And yet we still see in the cities and so forth in towns that, you know, people are alerting the immigrants that ICE is coming and, you know, they’re attempting to prevent them from being taken away. Is that something.

Is that just presented to us, or is that the way a lot of people in Washington feel? Or are we just hearing from an area that happens to be immigration immigrants themselves, or is the press just manipulating it so we don’t know the truth? Right. I’d say, Sam, you’re spot on. Well, I think the majority of people, especially, especially east of the Cascade range are very concerned, very much patriots and don’t buy into that nonsense. But you’ve got, and there’s some good sheriffs on the west side of the Cascades. But by and far, you got the Seattle homeless in that area there that’s inundated with libs.

And I think I mentioned it earlier, voting is crazy in this state. We got illegals registering to vote. So basically over. I don’t think in 20 years that we’ve had a Republican governor. That’s kind of real curious why that happens. They always seem to find enough ballots, you know, they ought to go back to you walk into like it was back in the day when I was with the Clark County Sheriff’s office in the 70s. You go to a local school where you do the voting, they take your id, check you off, hand your ID back at a ballot.

You go in the booth and you vote and you bring a ballot out. And now I’VE got good news, gentlemen. I just had on Mr. Allen west on my TV show talking about this. They’ve done some great things in Dallas, Texas. One of the things that they did is they proved the voting machines were a failure and they didn’t pass the certifications tests. They did that several months ago. Then the second thing they just did recently, Allen west reported on it. And basically they are going to have the first large county Republican primary, 2026, and I think it’s in March.

It will be paper ballots only, same day voting. There will be exceptions for true absentee ballots, meaning you request it from the start, but it’ll be same day paper ballot voting. And it will be done. Listen carefully. By the precinct, which means voting in or mail in voting illegal now in, in Texas. And they’re starting to really move towards paper ballots. They believe it’ll be successful. They’re going to be testing it out and we’re waiting to see if this works the way they’re expecting it to be. It’ll be the standard for the nation. I just got a report on that a day or two ago from Allen West.

And the reason that I bring this up right now is because as you know, the CSPOA is really big into preventing election integrity problems. Problems. We need trust in the system. And if there’s a crime in any county across the country, the sheriff is duly obligated to investigate it. We say that’s true for voting as well. A lot of people say, oh, that’s all true. But not for voting. As if they can set up some. Oh, that’s not true. Except for the criminal court. Oh, that’s not true except for the FISA court. They always want to take you out of the venue that you’re normally in and pretend you’re in a different realm.

That’s a lie. The truth is the sheriff is responsible for all crimes in his county. And if that’s not true, give me a list of the ones that are. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Make a valid point, Jack. Well, I agree with you 100%. I think that the election is the basis. You know, without having free elections, without having your elections that actually mean something, nothing else matters in this country. I mean, there’s no way that you can have the basis or the foundation of how we, you know, take people from out of our community and put them in positions of power and then have them make the proper decisions.

And also to be fair, honest, etc. If there’s no such thing as a free election, I see that Washington apparently Denies Department of Justice requests for voter rolls in the state of Washington. And, you know, it’s a. It’s a terrible thing when the state itself is. Is covering for the fact that it’s complicit in likely voter fraud. And, well, this is where the citizens need to say, enough is enough. We’re going to obey the laws. We’re going to hold the moral high ground. We mean peace, people. But you cannot vote, violate your state laws. You cannot use, you know, classified or behind the cloak of protecting the people, lies.

You know, you can’t withhold all this information from the people. At some point, we need to verify the voter rolls. At some point, somebody needs to make sure that they’re not commandeered, controlled, manipulated in any way, from illegals to people voting more than once to. I mean, I can go on and on about people who may have left the state but are still voting in the state, people who are dead, people with. Who are in nursing homes and aren’t eligible or able to vote because they’re not cognitively able to. There’s all these discussion points that, look, we’re not accusing anybody of anything at this point.

We’re merely saying we need to correct those roles and make sure that they’re transparent and accurate. That’s what we’re talking about. And they riot at that, at the government level all the time. And that’s where, Sheriff, we’ve got to have the American people say, I don’t care if you’re going to riot. This is legitimate and necessary, and that’s where we need to keep pushing. We’re working on election integrity issues all over the country. I know some people believe we kind of haven’t been focused on it. Not true. It’s just that sometimes there’s a lot of work behind the scenes and a lull when it comes to the public eye on some of these topics.

But make no mistake, we have not dropped that issue one iota. Jackson. Agreed. And the Secretary of State, you know, is telling the Justice Department, you know, that he’s not willing to provide birth records or driver’s licenses or four digits of the Social Security number, etc, to anyone interested in getting voter rolls. And so what use. I mean, there’s no value. Yeah, you can have our. You can have the names. We’ve seen how they just create names out of thin air and make them voters. And so this. This itself is crying for more investigation. Washington State’s got a lot of problems, Sheriff Songer, and I guess you’re getting set to run for Governor, right.

I mean, we got to get this thing. I’ve got 14 months to go. My term, third term is up and I’m 81. And at the end of my term, I’ll be about 58 years in this business. But my wife, who is the boss, says, no, no, no, fourth term, you’re retiring. And I’m hoping when I retire, because I’m going to miss it, you know, but when I retire, I’m hoping to be able to be more involved with the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace office. Let’s go. I mean, I support it. I love it. So I know I’ve done my best to kind of bring up some of the issues regarding the great state of Washington.

Understand that we don’t mean to attack the state. You know what, there’s good people in the great state of Washington. There’s a lot of good sheriffs that really want to stand up in the state of Washington. The state of Washington’s got a great history and a great legacy. And that means, you know, they believe in private property, they believe in, you know, land ownership. They believe in a lot of the things we do. It’s just been in recent times, you’ve got a bunch of, you know, carpet bagging type people and others who seem to have wormed their way into the top echelons of the state.

And we the people need to simply say, hey, we’re not going to allow that to happen. You’re not going to manipulate elections, you’re not going to use this to become wealthy. You know, these guys enter office, you know, penny broke. Look at AOC to make the point, point, you know, barmaid gets somehow elected to Congress, millions of dollars to elect her and then she stays there. Now she’s considering, hey, should I run for Senate, or do you think the White House would be better? That’s what she’s considering right now. Now, you can say that’s laughable. You can say what you want, but it means there’s a lot of power and a lot of money there to even contemplate that in the public sphere.

And you say, oh, she’ll never get that done. Maybe we underestimated her once and look where she is now. Now, does that mean that she’s brilliant? No, it means there’s a mechanism behind her, in my humble opinion, to which I’m entitled. There’s a mechanism making that happen, Jack. And we need to realize that’s the. You can call it conspiracy theory. You can call it what you want. That’s the magic sauce, though. They can take anybody and make them a rock star. Think about Barack Obama. No one even knew his name. Next thing you know, it was like, the senator’s running for president.

What? Okay, so they can do this. Don’t deceive yourself into believing they can’t. They have a lot of power. But you know what’s more powerful than they are? That’s we the people, educated and determined. Large numbers of us have to gather together and make it happen. I like the term carpetbagger. That’s got great meaning. That goes all the way back to the Civil War. Sheriff Songer, I wanted to bring up the fact that you. There is about to be released a documentary that features yourself and it’s called. What is it called? Showdown for Sheriff and a Constitutional Conflict.

How do you feel about that? We have a trailer here, but that supposedly comes out in October. Well, who created the movie? First of all? It was. Go ahead. Matthew Barsono. Yeah, yeah. Masonic. Sorry. Anyway, I’ve seen the whole thing twice and I give Matt credit. He was fair on both sides. He reported it very fairly. And of course, that group, I told you that loves me so much. My gosh, their hair was on fire during the election. We don’t need a constitution. We got to get Songer out of there. No longer. They even had a song.

No longer song. There you go. I mean, they went all out. And fortunately, they beat me up by 56 votes in the primary over in White Salmon area. That’s where the votes came out of that. So when it comes to the general election, most of the conservative votes are going to be Goldendale, Bickleton and Pardell Isle and so forth. And I ended up beating him by 156. Something like that. So, Jack, where do I see this movie? Well, I’ve got the trailer here. It’s, it’s, it’s. It’s. It seems very short. And as far. Let’s check it out.

Yeah. And as far as Cher Songer’s opinion, you know that the. I only see one grouchy older woman in this. In this trailer that says anything really negative. So I think that, you know, it looks to be like it. It benefits you pretty well. All right, here it is, people. All right, hang on. We’ll watch this. I. One of the things I hate to do is get political. I hate that. But, you know, there comes a time when. When you have to get political. And if the state legislature passes a law that is unconstitutional, would I enforcement? Is that correct? No, I would not enforce it.

I’ll make no I have stood up for the citizens of this county and will continue to stand up against any government that is an overreach in our citizenship. It’s not our job to interpret the Constitution. It’s the court’s job to interpret the constitution. My job is to protect people’s rights and for enforce the laws in the state and Constitutional rights my ass. And I have never ever been involved in anything political until you brought war to my soil and my feet. I’m looking forward to it. I think you look good in Hitler mustache. I mean. Yeah.

Is it happening right now? They put it on my science campaign sign. Drew the most. Hey Sheriff. Yeah? Can I have. Can I have an RC and a moon pie? What the heck? What was happening in that thing? But I’ll tell you, it gets better. It really does. It’s about. So where do we watch this at, Jack? I want to watch the whole thing now. Yeah, I don’t know. We’re gonna have to get sheriff’s longer to get us a copy to see because unless. Where do we. Where do we see this? Where’s it going to come out, Sheriff? Well, I don’t know where else in the states I.

You reach out to Matt, I call him Matt the movie guy. He says sign up for the email list and I’m going to do that right now. And maybe Sheriff Sunger, what I’m hoping you’ll do is I want you to email me the contact information for this gentleman. I’ll have him on the radio and TV with us so we could talk about the movie. Oh good. Yeah, send that to me and I’ll work on that. That’s incredible. Anyway, that’s funny as heck, man. That’s really good. And I think it really kind of shows a sheriffs need to stand up and say I will not, I will not carry out unconstitutional actions.

And the reason that’s so important is most people don’t get this. But think about it. If the sheriff swears an oath to the Constitution, does he have time, real time to wait for the court to figure it out? No, of course not. As a result, that’s why he swears an oath. Because they expect him to be a vanguard, a protection. They expect him to stand in the middle, protect and say, hold on a minute, I’m the sheriff, I’m the executive branch in my county and I understand that somebody’s asked me to do something that isn’t law or that violates the real law, the supreme law of our land.

And I will not let that happen on my Watch. And if anybody suggests that the sheriff doesn’t have that authority or right, my next question would be then what do they swear an oath for? If the oath doesn’t have any real time, action oriented meaning, then what value is it to have the sheriff swear? All he’s got to do is go, hey, when the court’s figured out, they can come back to me and tell me and then I’ll do it. Is that what we’re talking about? If so, he doesn’t need to swear an oath to anybody for any reason.

Neither does any other public official, I might add. On the other hand, if they’re going to serve with the people and they’re going to serve, accept an elected and or appointed office on our behalf. It’s called delegated authority, ladies and gentlemen. And if they have delegated authority, then they must act in accordance to that authority, nothing more and nothing less. And if the sheriff cannot carry out his duties real time constitutionally, which he’s four note to. Then why don’t we just have all the judges become law enforcement? Yeah, there’s a check and a balance, ladies and gentlemen, you cannot constitutionally ignore.

Sorry to get out my soapbox, gentlemen, but I feel like that stuff’s important. It’s very good. Well, you know they beat up on Chris Ann hall when I had her here at a training seminar for some of my deputies. Oh my gosh, the far left here, college, they just couldn’t take that. But the bottom line is I’m not the brightest bulb in factor, but I know when the law is, when the Constitution is being violated, like the second Amendment, all these kind of nonsense are going on. The second Amendment, Covid, when they came out with COVID you wear a mask.

Sheriff, you gotta arrest those people because they don’t have a mask on. By God, you better get down there and arrest them. No, that’s an individual choice. It’s not the governor’s choice to mandate vaccination. They were firing people. Not only is it not their choice, but there was no literal law passed. There was just actions demanded. That’s what Bill Clinton demanded of Sheriff Richard Mack. And Sheriff Mack said no. And Bill Clinton lost at the Supreme Court over that very point. Yes, absolutely. So, yeah, no, the sheriff’s job. And I pointed out the guild back in the 60s or 70s, the black guilt on the bus, that type of thing.

You know, the blacks had to sit in the back of the bus. Oh, yeah, Rosa Park. Thank you. But Rosa park, that’s a prime example. There were people, black people Being arrested because they wouldn’t go to the back of the bus. And that was a law. That was a law then. And you had people blindly following the law. That’s what it is. We’re going to do it, by gosh, you know, that type of thing. However, what was it, 13 years later or something like that? The US Supreme Court said, you know what? That is an unconstitutional.

So long how many people’s lives. Yeah, they murdered a gazillion babies before they decided that too. Exactly, exactly. But how many people I go in and arrest somebody that I feel I was actually violating. The Constitution is protective. And I say, well, I’m sheriff, but I’m not going to get involved. The courts will make that decision. Well, yes, eventually the court will make the decision, but in the meantime, I’m not going to arrest somebody and book them in, embarrass them, cost them money, attorney’s fees and everything else. And later down the road, find the law and Constitution.

That’s why the term protector friend sheriff, you gotta think about it that way. The sheriff, if he understands his job, is your friend, Jack. I agree. He’s somebody with latitude, somebody that has the right to make decisions. And we’ve said this a million times. I say it over and over and over. They want nobody that can make a decision. They want people to follow rules and that’s that. And I think that’s what scares them the most. Sheriff SANG I see the same thing happening right now in other places, like St. Louis, for example. The sheriff is suing the city over an order and an ordinance, trying to define his responsibilities.

And he’s. He’s saying that the new law, or they’re attempting to create a board bill 33, strange number there, is illegal and conflicts with the state law. And he suggests that it’s just about a way to nullify the. The position of the office of sheriff. So, you know, you’re not alone here. You have. The states are organizing against sheriffs and I think the media. There’s abuse all over the country, Jack. Yep. So anyway, we’re going to stay in this fight together and we’re going to say no, no, no, no, no, until you can’t say no anymore.

I guess you know why. We’re going to win this fight in the long run, God’s on our side. Yep. Amen to that. Agreed, 100%. And it means we’re in good company. And it means we know what happens in the end. And most importantly, what it means is we want to reach out people. We want you to know that the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, CSPOA takes on very serious issues and these issues relate directly to your freedom, to your liberty. And so there’s two sides to the CSPOA if people really understand it. One side is to educate and train and support public officials, primarily sheriffs, but all public officials to educate the sheriffs of their responsibilities for their oath of office and for their job as sheriff, to interpose to stand for constitutional rights all the time, every time.

The other side of the CSPOA is helping the average citizen understand these things and then to say, since the sheriff or any other public official is delegated responsibility that I have as a citizen or you have as a citizen. If we delegate responsibility to them now, we’ve got to babysit them, we’ve got to make sure that they carry out our delegation properly. It’s not as much work as if we had to do it all ourselves, but it’s more work than just election time. And until we do that work, folks, they will be on the dole, many of these public officials and take advantage of us and put laws in place that restrict us and violate our freedoms while they get rich.

Or we the people can demand accountability and say, you work for us. And as a result, I don’t care if you’re appointed or elected, if you do the job that you’re called to do and delegated to do and given authority to do properly, we love you, we’ll support you. We’re here to do everything you need. We’re grateful for you. On the other hand, if you want to use this position that you have of authority and power against we the people that sent you there, you’re gone. We wish you well, we wish you a wonderful retirement. We.

But you’re not going to work for us anymore. And we really, that’s the whole mission of the CSPOA to say let’s educate everybody about the proper role of limited government with checks and balances and the value of the most local to you public servant in the executive branch, that is your sheriff. Jack. Yep, absolutely. Would it be nice if we only had the problems they have in Florida right now? They, they have. Florida sheriff says, you know, his biggest problem right now is how to interpret the difference between open carry and concealed carry. And he’s made the decision to rather trying to force concealed carry restrictions onto open carry situations.

He’s going to lean towards a constitutional interpretation. Right now. I’m lending, or I’m sorry, tending towards siding with a constitutional right. We have a constitutional right to bear arms in the United States. And I would say he shouldn’t just lean towards that. He has an obligation to uphold that. Yep. It’s a wonderful idea, though, that the state of Florida has moved towards the Constitution. Very unexpected in my mind. And I also asked the question, who created the designation between carry and concealed carry? Who created that designation? And where in the supreme law of the land, the Second Amendment, does it say, you know, you’re right, you have the right to keep and bear on.

Hey, except for this distinction. It doesn’t say anything like that. This distinction is a man made already infringing on our rights. Yes, it is. And you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the idea of hate speech. You know, we have the right to free speech relative to the government, and there is no separate category for the types of free speech you’re allowed. You can’t put them in a little box and say, well, this is free speech, but this is not. And it’s the same sort of political machinations. We weaponize speech when we claim it’s a certain kind of speech, like hate speech or something like this.

Now, I will say there was hate speech, though, Sunday night when President Trump said he hated his enemies and he hated his opponents and he doesn’t wish them well. That was actual hate speech. Not because. Not because it’s a designated kind of speech. I joke, but it’s because he said hate. It has hate speech. But, you know, we need to realize our rights are important and we at the CSPOA are here to defend them, and we need your financial support to do so. I know it’s crazy, but it’s expensive to travel, to speak, to put together events.

We’re trying to put together an event in Washington state to defend those poor sheriffs that are doing a great job, but getting just beat up by the abuse and the governor and the legislative bodies that don’t understand the proper role of a sheriff, et cetera. The sheriffs are under assault across the country, but especially in Washington. Cspoa.org you can learn who we are, get involved, get our books. Everything you do that puts money in our coffers lets us use those sacred funds to carry out this mission. Anyway, Jack, I think we’re about done, aren’t we? Yeah, we’re getting close to the end.

I want to say to Sheriff Songer that, you know, the people must love you a great deal, though, that you. Your last 14 months, you’ll end up with a documentary. Not very many sheriffs, you know, have A full documentary devoted to them. And I think that you’ve done something special in Washington State. I don’t believe you’ll ever be forgotten. And it would be good if you can’t work for the CSP Way, if you could somehow wander around the state and just pop into sheriff’s offices and sit down and have a little chat with them. Because you’ve got a wealth of knowledge and experience and an understanding that most of these guys probably don’t have.

And I would be, even if I was working with cpo, Sheriffs and Peace Office Association, I would be happy to do that anyway in the state because we have to get sheriffs on board. That’s the bottom line. Yep. When people need to join as a posse or the copa. Yep, yep. We, we exist entirely as a result of those donations. You know, Sheriff MACA doesn’t have any source of revenue from people like George Soros or the rest of the nefarious fools that managed to produce enormous amounts of probably stolen money and hand over to these organizations that are trying to undermine the United States of America.

So anyway, we appreciate the fact that we have people listening to these webinars long past the time they are created. And we encourage you, please, to bring your family and friends and get them involved, make them posse members and to shop the store. And we now have a new gold affiliate, Kirk Elliott and his Precious Metals Organization. And I believe that you’ll find that this is a wonderful way to get in touch with somebody that wants to talk to you a little bit about why gold and silver are important today and why it is that the US Dollar is failing and is continuing to fail.

And I don’t know if you know, Sheriff Songer, but the government is now creating $1.3 trillion every 79 days in debt. So there’s no possible way this system can survive. And that would mean also that your purchasing power will go away with it. And I recommend that you check that out as well. Csboa.org and if you’d like to just donate. Csbua.org Sam Bushman, the CEO and, and a great inspiration to all of us, understands this world like not many people do in terms of the Constitution and great men like Sheriff Bob Songer. We appreciate you guys being part of this.

Sam, we’re grateful for all the people that have mentored us and taught us along the way. For me, there’s many of them. And you know, I don’t claim to have extraordinary understanding, but I will say this. The Constitution was meant for we, the People to understand, understand it wasn’t meant for kings and rulers and elites and attorneys and, you know, it was meant for the average farmer, the average Joe, to just say, hey, I can understand the law of our land, and I can insist that it’s obeyed. And that’s who we are. That’s where we are.

That’s what we do. And so I’m nobody special. I’m just a guy trying to make sure that the next generation. I’ve got eight kids and 10 grandkids, and I just want life to be better for them than it’s been for me. It’s been great in America for me, but I want it to get even better. Amen. Absolutely. Imagine the Constitution is like, what, 45 pages in a little booklet, and if they’d been written today, It’d be over 5,000, and there’d be no possible way to understand it. And so, yeah, it’d be larger than Atlas Shrugged, wouldn’t it? You know, some of the amendments are one line.

You know, it’s an incredible document, very simple, and people can go get it and read, he didn’t understand it. Yeah, like, thou shalt not be infringed. You know, that’s exactly right. And we understand what that means. I don’t think there’s any. Any way to have to interpret that. But somehow they got away with it. That’s the thing that bothers me the most, is they get away with this stuff. You know, the. The only teeth that are in the Constitution are the teeth that are in our mouths. There’s nothing else that can be done. The Constitution is a piece of paper.

However, it does give you the moral high ground to take action, so you have the right to take action. You don’t even have to be concerned that you’re doing something wrong. And in the end, you’ll be vindicated because men like Bob Songer will show up and say, no, I don’t see anything wrong here. He was simply, you know, following the letter of the highest law of the land. It should be the political religion of our land. Yes, it should. Anyway, any comments left from you, Mr. Songer? Well, I want to thank you, Jack and Sam. Thank you so much, so much.

God bless you both and your families, and let’s keep up the good fight. Absolutely. We’ll stay in the fight. We’ll see you all next time. Love you, Sheriff. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. You bet. Love you, too. Safe. All right, bye now.
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