Kanye West Celebrity Handlers the Dead Internet

➡ The text discusses the speaker’s concerns about how personal data is used by companies to feed their artificial intelligence systems. It also talks about an interview with Shane Cashman, who shares his experiences working with Kanye West during his presidential run and the impact it had on Kanye’s business deals. The speaker also discusses the ‘dead Internet theory’, suggesting that much of the online world is fake and manipulated. Lastly, the speaker emphasizes the importance of free speech and uncensored platforms, despite the potential for misuse.
➡ The speaker recounts an unexpected encounter with Kanye West, who was upset after a difficult interview. The speaker managed to have a personal conversation with Kanye about music, religion, and politics, leading to a trip to LA and a deep, ongoing dialogue. They also discussed Kanye’s controversial actions, his struggles with losing business contracts due to his political views, and his decision to go independent with his shoe line after being blacklisted. Despite the challenges, Kanye managed to turn the situation into a positive by cutting out the middleman and producing his shoes directly.
➡ The text discusses a popular figure who, despite controversies and personal struggles, maintains a massive and loyal fan base. He sells out huge concerts and makes a lot of money from merchandise. The text also mentions his struggles with mental health, including a stint in treatment and a problem with nitrous oxide. Despite these issues, he remains lucid and genuine in his interactions. The text also touches on his divorce and custody issues, as well as the influence of handlers in the lives of high-profile individuals.
➡ The text discusses the manipulation of public opinion through media and the internet, including the use of bots to create false narratives. It also touches on the idea of the “dead Internet theory,” suggesting that many online accounts are not real but are bots used for various purposes. The text further explores how this manipulation can affect businesses, particularly in terms of advertising and data collection. Lastly, it mentions the potential dangers of this manipulation, such as the suppression of beneficial information or the promotion of harmful narratives.
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I call it an algorithmic prison. I think they don’t care that you’re in a silo. And I think more so than money to them now, what is more valuable is actually you. It’s your data. And they, they are tracking your every move, what your eyes, like, how many seconds or milliseconds. You’re looking at one thing over another. They sell that, they study it, they feed their AI that. So really we’re feeding these machines. You know, that’s what a lot of this is like. That’s what LLMs are. It’s just us. It’s just regurgitating everything we’ve done on the Internet.

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He’s an independent journalist and he ended up getting involved with Kanye through that interview. I guess Kanye walked out. He’s going to explain the whole thing, but his how he learned about him, how he got involved and how he wrote a book about his experience with Kanye West. To me, it’s interesting because Kanye lost when he was running for president, which was kind of a strange situation. He had all these business deals. His Nike business was flourishing and he lost all these business deals overnight. So people were strong arming them to get back in line. Otherwise you’re going to lose all these business deals.

And then he had another. He talked about his handler and how he went into this rehab and came out a different person. And we’re going to talk about that a little bit, maybe what’s behind it. And of course we talk about his relationship with Kim Kardashian a bit and how the these two, whether you like them or not, these two people really have changed culture and their money making machines and what is behind this control of celebrity. So he’s going to talk about what he’s experienced firsthand and then we’re going to get into. It just naturally morphs into the dead Internet theory.

Are we living in all fake? All these numbers that are fake, all these bots that are fake. He’s going to explain his theory, and it’s not. I mean, it’s really a wide theory now, but what he’s. He’s seen firsthand and how everything is such an illusion, and we’re in an illusion. And we talk about examples of that with the. How you can build almost any near. You can manufacture consent, if you will, on the Internet in really profound ways and get whole armies of tyrants supporting you in some kind of agenda. And it’s dominating the online dialogue right now.

And we all see it, and it’s asinine, right? And people are waking up and wising up to this, and we. We need to wise up to it. Otherwise we’re going to be dominated by this craziness of people being manipulated and brainwashed and then turning into a soldier for the tyrants, which is what happened during COVID But we don’t want it to happen on every fricking issue, right? We have to start wisening up and realize we’re being manipulated on all these issues and we are becoming a army for this particular agenda. And I warned about it in my Fifth Generation Warfare and Mind Control series.

I did. I just had this intense need to put this series out and how we were being whiplashed back and forth and the media is just going to whiplash us back and forth, and it’s absolutely ridiculous. And I had to get out of that and say this is the framework that we’re going to be up against. And now it’s just taken over. That’s really what we’re up against. This is a great conversation I have with Shane Cashman. You can follow him. I’ll have all the links below. He’s heavy on X and he has a new book out about his experience with Kanye, and it’s called Good Villains, My Journey to the Front Line of Fame, Controversy and the War on Reality.

And he talks about more than just Kanye, talks about the dead Internet theory, talks about some of these experiences that he’s had. Just the war on reality that we’re all undergoing. Okay, before I get into that, everybody please subscribe on whatever platform you’re on and support me that way, because I’m telling you, some of these platforms are determined to make sure I’m capped. And I actually think that they’re reducing views to make it look like it’s a certain way. Like we said, everything is fake on the Internet right now, and they’re reducing subscribers There are certain platforms that aren’t censoring.

Thank God for there’s people out there that are still pro freedom and pro civilization. And I hope when we’re out of this mess that we’re in, the. The platforms that withstood this kind of tyranny are the ones that benefit long term because they deserve to, because preserving freedom and human dignity is. Is not censoring. And I realize that some of this is gross, some of the things that you see is gross because people are just wanting clicks and it’s just maddening. But we’re going to have to learn as a society in order. If you want to learn about the truth about Big Pharma, you want to learn the truth about what’s going on in your government, you want to learn the truth about wars, you have to allow those areas to be free speech.

And what comes with it is some of the ugliness too. And so we have to figure out how to modulate that, maybe control our own feeds instead of letting these big corporations weed out all the important societal stuff and mask it as if they’re protecting you against porn or something. And I mean, that’s what they’re doing. They’re claiming that they’re protecting you against like the worst stuff, but really they’re suppressing people that are telling you the truth about Big Pharma and what’s going on in Iran or something. You know, what’s going on in the economy. They’re censoring that and then hiding behind that.

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Did you? And he wrote a book about him. And did. Were you. Were you with him for a length of time or what happened? Yeah, yeah. So I met him randomly in Maryland. This is at Tim Pool Studio. I used to work there. And I was told to come by the night that. Yay. He goes. He goes by Yay. I still call him Kanye. He probably doesn’t like it, but I can’t help it. He showed up to do Tim’s show and, you know, rather famously went well, that Kanye stormed out of the studio within 10 minutes of the interview starting.

He just didn’t like where it was going. So since I was there, I’m like, you know, I’m gonna try to intercept him, see if he’ll go back on the show, because this is at the time he’s running for president. If anyone remembers, four years ago, we had Yay 24. I’m actually wearing the shirt right now. A friend got me and, you know, I was like, let’s go back in the studio. You can hash it out. We’ll change the topic you know, he was, I think he was mad that they were rehashing the same conversation that had been that he’d been having on like five other podcasts that week.

And he was talking about bank accounts being frozen, his family being threatened, being told he’ll have his kids taken away. It was pretty serious stuff. Yeah, he was going through that. That was real. It was real. It was for sure real. And he was mad about it, rightfully so. I’d be furious if that was happening to me and my family. So he did not like what I was saying though. He was, he was not feeling it. He was not going to go back into the studio. So I took the moment to just have the conversation I had planned on having with Kanye if I ever met him, because I’ve been a fan for like decades.

So we just talk about music for about 15 minutes and then he invited me to fly to LA. And so two days later I flew out to LA as my first time there and I didn’t know what to expect, but we had a great time. First day there, I spent a whole day with him at his headquarters talking about art, all the controversy that he was in, religion, politics, all this stuff. It was a really long, amazing conversation. You know, we talked about Thomas Soul. We also talked about Sacred Heart Choir, which I love. Sacred Harp singing.

It’s a amazing, like Southern Baptist type music. I love it from Ireland. And he was into this. So we’re talking about that. Thought that would be the whole day. I had thought that was a great interview. I was very happy with it. And at the end of the day he was like, you know, hang around, let’s go to church tomorrow. So I turned in this weekend of like Bible study, church, driving around la, listening. I never seen him in concert, but he like performed songs in the car and it was, it was awesome. And then, yeah, after that I went home.

I wrote this initial, like stories and then, but our kind. We had this like month long relationship of texting, talking, talking about prayer, what it means to pray. You know, at the time he seemed very genuine about his religion. You know, I don’t know where he’s at now. We haven’t talked in a minute but like at the time we were, I was very much into religion, you know, I still am, but like at that time I was still agnostic, leaning towards Christianity. You know, I was very stubborn and eventually got there. But we had this amazing conversation.

Every day, you know, we’re in group chats. Do you follow a specific religion or are you just a Christian in idea, trying to sell. Just. Just follow Christ. I read the Bible. I go to, like, a Bible church. We just read the Bible. I like the whole denomination thing. I love those conversations. I’ll talk to Protestants, Catholics, you know, I love all of it, you know, but for me, it’s like, I just like Christ and I just read the Bible and the church I go to is very much Bible, you know, it’s all we talk about.

So there’s no politics involved. There’s no other, you know, theologies that I may or may not agree with. So. Yeah, it’s just something simple. Yeah. Well, cool. I don’t want to cut you off and get on the sidetracked, but. Okay. So you were. You were talking to him about that stuff, and did he know that you were gonna write a book or was he okay with that or. Yeah, yeah. So he knew. He knew I was gonna write a profile. And, like, there’s an early version of it that was put out that I wrote in, like, two days.

But he knew, you know, he was running for president. Right. So he probably wanted that. Yeah, yeah. And I was probably, like, maybe one of the only people who was gonna write anything that was not going to be slander, you know, because I saw what he doing. For decades, I’ve seen him do things where he would take the Confederate flag and say, I own this now, or even something. It’s horrific to think about, you know, losing your mom. He lost his mom to plastic surgery. Like, she died from the surgery. And he was like. This idea of radical forgiveness to him, even though is also quite provocative, was taking the picture of the man, the doctor who took his mom’s life through the surgery and using that as an image for his album.

He didn’t end up doing that. But I wasn’t very surprised by all the controversy because it’s kind of in his. His pattern of this provocative, radical redemption. So he knew. Yeah, for sure. Did he talk about at all about his business and how these companies. Nike. He had a great deal with Nike. He had, yeah. I mean, these kids and these younger adults were all wearing his shoes. The. The secondary market was massive. It was. It was unlike anything we’ve seen, really. Especially with shoes, right? Oh, yeah, it was massive. Nike had a massive. So the fact that Nike bailed from him was a really bad business decision for Nike, but they did it anyways.

Oh, yeah. They. They were obviously struggle sessioned into getting, you know, cutting ties with. Yay. Which is obviously a mistake, but he. He changed. Yeah. We talked about It a bit because this is what’s happening. He’s losing contracts with all these places. He’s losing billions of dollars. He, he was, you know, went from having lots of money to being frozen out of his bank accounts and. But he change. He did in music, you know, in many ways, whether you’re a fan of his or not, you can’t deny that he didn’t change like the way people dress in certain genres or make music and also how they dress.

Well, he. Yeah, he was, he was a phenomenal how a phenot. A phenom in the way he changed culture. But now these, these businesses were all dropping him. Did he talk about. Yeah, it was, it was horrendous because he met with Trump and it was like they were bring. Being all strong armed to drop him because he was a black guy that got off the, the plantation. If you get out of line, it’s kind of, I feel like that as a, as a female, it’s like they support women. Unless you aren’t a Democrat. And I’m like an independent, but so it’s like if I don’t support.

Because they’re really pro big pharma. Yeah. And so these other issues. So if I’m not pro big pharma, you won’t support me as a female. I mean, so how discriminatory is that? They’re doing the same thing with all these minority groups. So did he talk about. I mean, it must have been very painful for him to be attacked that hard. Yeah, I think at that time it was certainly painful because it was really affecting his family. You know, he was going through it with Kim Kardashian at the time. There were still things they were working out about like custody.

So it was obviously really tough at that point. But on the other hand, I think he’d become used to all the controversy throughout his career. You know, you can go back to George Bush doesn’t like black people. Taylor Swift, there’s been all these controversies. Who’s kind of used to being on the front lines and taking all those arrows. However, not losing all the business contracts, that’s a different deal. Took. They took, they took it all away. Even though he, you know, kind of reimagined the shoe in many ways with his Yeezys and all that stuff. So it, it definitely wasn’t good.

But then he turned it into a positive by, you know, really going solo, doing the whole thing on his own. I know there were some hiccups along the way with manufacturing. People didn’t want to Work with them, you know, just like the same way that there’s stadiums that didn’t want to let him play shows, you know, so he was kind of blacklisted everywhere. But I, the end, it turned out to be a positive because it made him go independent fully for a while and put out his shoes directly, really cutting out the middleman once he found a manufacturer.

And I, I don’t know the numbers that he made, but he made a ton of money off the shoes and the sweatshirts and all that stuff. Just. Are they still driving on his own? I believe so. You know, he posted something recently. I didn’t see the numbers, but they did post some numbers that seemed ridiculous. You know, I, I, I know they might be true. You know, it’s like, who knows who’s true, who, what’s true and what’s not. But it seems like it, you know, they sell out really fast and, you know, a good gauge of his popularity still.

And if he’s doing well, if we’re not, we put aside the clothing, is looking at his shows, you know, he is selling out huge stadiums. I think he sold the most tickets for any concert recently, you know, and I think it was Turkey. So he’s playing enormous shows. He’s going back to New Orleans soon. And these are massive productions. There’s a huge earth in the middle of the stage that he’s standing on top of. Tens of thousands of people are showing up. So, you know, no matter what happened with him in different businesses and different corporations cutting ties, his fan base was so massive and loyal that I don’t think there’s anything he could do to lose them, you know, and everything from a fan’s point of view that he did was, you know, yes, it was provocative, but also from a place of goodness and really about redemption, forgiveness, and, and he didn’t lose those fans.

People will say, I don’t like Kanye anymore. I like new Kanye. But then tens of thousands of people are showing up to his shows to this day. So some people talk about he was forced into treatment and that things happened to him. He went into treatment and then came out different. Since you spent time with him, did you see that transformation? Yeah, I, I something, you know, I don’t know what’s going on because we haven’t, I haven’t seen him or talked to him since that time after we were texting when I was first with him. But so go back though, before I even met him, there was, he had this Life of Pablo tour, huge tour.

That’s where he had this like so called mental breakdown. He. He calls it that. And they. He was put away then. So going back to that, you can tie these things to someone like this gentleman named Harley Pasternak, who is like a handler, I would say. Yeah. So when you say put away, somebody else had the power to put him away versus him checking himself in. That’s what it seems like to me. And from the text messages he’s released, you know, this guy was saying, like, I’ll put you away again. He said it again. You know, right.

When I was with him, like just a few days or a week before I was with him in la, he was sharing these text messages on Instagram where this guy was saying, you know, I have the ability to put you away. Well, 5,000, 150 you. You know, so. Okay, so that happened. He’s been put away. He did come back out. He did take medication. He. He would say back then he was diagnosed with being bipolar. He would later say that he doesn’t believe that was true, but he’s very contradictory. But after I’m talking to him, you know, it did become public that he had an issue with nitrous oxide, which is laughing gas.

And I didn’t see any of that stuff when I was with him. When I was with him, he was extremely lucid. You know, the whole world is saying, he’s a madman, he’s crazy. We were having nothing but like a good time, very long conversations, very nice. And he seemed very honest and genuine, very open. He knew, you know, I’m always recording. We. The whole, like, I have hours and hours of me and him talking. So. And he knew this. So. But afterwards it came out that this. He had this issue with nitrous oxide. And I think that did have an effect on him.

You know, I think it’s. You can look up what it does to your brain. It’s horrible. I don’t think he’s on it anymore, but I do think that had some effect on him. I don’t know why he got into it. Maybe through the struggles he’s been going through, he turned to it. He’s talked about it in the past, doing it, but it turned into something a little different with this dentist who I believe was being sued about it like a year or two ago. Yeah, it’s terrible. Okay, so he has this handler that we’re thinking now.

He. Did he talk about Kim Kardashian at all? Because at that time he was still married, I think, to her, Right? Yeah, he certainly had a divorce. He was going through the divorce. They were going through the divorce. Well, it seemed he did that interesting speech where he was up on stage and she was in the audience, and he was rambling. Yeah. And maybe he was on the drug then or something, but he really did look sick at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’m trying to think which one. That was one of the big award shows, and he was there, and he looked like.

And she was pregnant, I think. Yeah. So that’s probably later on in their. In their marriage. I don’t. He did talk a little bit, but, like, some of that stuff was happening. You know, we’re doing all these things, and all of a sudden she’s calling. You know, it’s his son’s birthday the next day. They’re trying to plan Disney or something, and he’s not allowed to go. So we’re kind of having these very personal conversations. I’m giving him advice. I. I don’t have any. You know, I. I have no problem, you know, no divorce experience. So I’m doing the best I can, giving Kanye west advice on what to do.

Just figuring out. Like, you have to. You and her have to figure out your custody because it didn’t seem at the time that they had anything officially planned for the kids. I’m like, your kids are the most important thing. So I like it if you figured that out for your kids sake. You know, he is a. From a broken family as well, and he was always trying to not do that again, and he’s been very public about that. But that was the extent of what we talked about with her. She didn’t really come up that much other than, you know, when.

When there were some phone calls about the birthday party. But. Yeah, sorry. There was one thing with Kris Jenner, he. There was a joke about Kris Jenner throwing a party where she was obsessed with, like, hiring little people to populate the party. And he was like, I don’t know why she did. I think she was just trying to creep people out. You mean, like people who were dwarfs or whatever? There were dwarves. Right. Midgets, Whatever we called them today. Sorry, guys. That’s not the right scientific thing. Yeah, but there was. There was a lot of them.

And he was very. He was very weirded out by it. And that was the only other thing she wanted to bring all this. You know, like, the circuses have those things. Okay. So the car. Kim Kardashian is a phenom, too. I mean, cultural. They’ve changed so much in culture. And so those two together were just the. And there’s. They’re the money behind what these guys do is massive. Right. But do they both have handlers? I guess you wouldn’t know. I wouldn’t know, but I assume, I think anyone at that level, even lower levels, I think, have some sort of handler, whether they know it or not, you know, that people put in their lives to sort of navigate them in ways that will be beneficial to whatever narrative they’re trying to sell.

I think it’s. You know, we talked a lot about Michael Jackson or Prince. They were also talking about contracts, and those two were both killed by drugs. Herpal Fall for Jackson, Fentanyl for Prince. And Kanye was very worried about that happening to him. And then nitrous oxide thing happened. So that’s why I was always curious, like, how did that happen? How does that start? Maybe he just did it himself. It was very organic. I don’t know. But I think. I think people have handlers, and I think it’s in all institutions and at many levels, especially facing levels everyone in the public.

I even think. I don’t know if I have a handler, but I think those of us in podcasting probably are surrounded by people who are trying to control our messaging. Oh, 100%. The. The. The deep state, whatever you want to call it, not to get too, you know, esoteric, but there is obviously some force that wants to understand and control the narrative. And they realized in 2020, with everything crazy going on in the world, that they. That there was a group of people who could subvert the narrative using podcast, using Twitter. And then, so moving forward, they said, we have to figure out a way to co op this.

You know, this is just my theory, but it’s, you know, it’s based. It’s based in reality because we know about things like Operation Mockingbird, the CIA, and how they inject themselves into the. Into the media. Because the narrative is everything. If you can control the narrative, you can control the public. And for the people that you can’t control, those are the ones you suppress the most. 100. Yeah. And the ones that you are your handlers. And they’re like, oh, yeah, they’re really easily influenced. Let’s give them the exposure money, think that they’re authentic, but they’re the ones that are the.

That are easy to be manipulated. And so those guys, hey, we can manipulate these. Well, I will. I will say, though, that people have really learned so much after 2020 that the. The whatever’s in charge, whatever. Ancient evil whatever, oppressing powers in charge they’re gonna have a much harder time. They are having a much harder time right now because people have woken up to how crazy it all is. They’re seeing through so many of this. They can see inauthentic inauthenticity from a mile away that they’re not gonna. It’s not gonna be easy for them like it used to be, you know, when it was just an easier newspapers or Twitter in the early days.

People, they’re. They’re underestimating how sm. And that’s a huge mistake. Well, then I think it gets into the dead Internet theory, because what they’re doing is they’re making the people, the ones who are the most easily manipulated, they’re propping up and giving them a lot of numbers. Right? Yeah, exactly. And so it creates this false illusion. And for those of people who are authentic and they’re really working hard to suppress, they’re hiding their numbers or even deleting them. Yep. Yeah. So the dead Internet theory is they’re saying, you know, that the majority of accounts on the Internet are bots.

And there’s, you know, there’s reports about this for a decade now, but even more now with AI, people can generate tens of thousands of bots like that. And they can be used in so many different nefarious ways, whether it’s to make you look like you’re bigger than you are or to create a narrative against you to be like, you know, we could all make them say that this person is wrong about whatever topic. And then through that, they can help build an organic campaign against them. So, like, if enough people see, enough real people see that all these accounts are saying all these bad things, it must be true.

You know, it’s like. It’s like thinking about the old days at the newspaper. If all these headlines are saying the same thing, like, how could it be fake? Clearly, you know, in 2026, we know it’s very easy to create news. Even CBS has recently, recent has people saying, we were told by producers to make up events. Doesn’t surprise us, but it’s more confirmation of it. But yeah, the Internet theory is now like, being weaponized against the people around the world. And it helps so discord. And you just can’t really trust what’s real anymore. You know, it was really a big reason of why Elon didn’t want to buy Twitter in the first place, because he believes in better Net theory and perhaps believes in it because he could see that it affects the market value of ads.

If people are buying Twitter Ads, you know, they’re expecting a certain return. But if a ton of those accounts that are seeing these ads are bots, they’re not buying anything. So then you say you spend all this money, you’re getting nothing back. So what’s worth anything anymore? You know, it was just, it was just an illusion. Well, I think everything is now they’re keeping businesses in these apps, right? It used to be that you could click out and go to this, this business to go buy something. Now they’re making everything inside these apps. And so what is the, what is the value of advertising inside a, a platform that won’t let anybody leave the platform, otherwise you’re penalized.

So businesses, the value proposition is going away. I think it’s an, I call it an algorithmic prison. I think they don’t care that you’re in a silo. And I think more so than money to them now, what is more valuable is actually you, it’s your data. And they, they are tracking your every move, what your eyes, like how many seconds or milliseconds, you’re looking at one thing over another. They sell that, they study it, they feed their AI that. So really we’re feeding these machines. You know, that’s what a lot of this is like. That’s what LLMs are.

It’s just us, it’s just regurgitating everything we’ve done on the Internet. So that’s what a lot of that is. Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. That’s where the consensus comes in, is through all these bots and so they can create any kind of narrat want through these AIs and you get wherever they want the agenda to go. That becomes very dangerous at that point because the consensus, if there’s an emerging new health product that can really help a lot of people, Y. If big Pharma doesn’t want it, they can spend money to go do bots do get the consensus everywhere that it’s not good to have and these AIs will repeat that.

Yeah, Scott Adams used to talk about the, the, the cycle of this bad news. Like you can start a campaign online. It could be totally fake, but if you have enough people being loud enough about or you know, people in quotes, then it will move up to like print media and then I’ll move up to congressmen. Now they’re saying it in D.C. now that turns into like late, late news, you know, 10 o’ clock news. And now it’s like, it seems like it’s real, but it’s all started off the Seeds of it are all false. And this is an ancient thing that they do constantly, and now they’re just doing it digitally, you know, while also vampirically feeding off of all of us to make their AI better and then make us pay for that.

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And there’s three different factors that they use to, you know, measure you and. Or there’s three different. Yeah, there’s different factors they use to measure me, but they use three different things to measure me. And one was an article I wrote on darpa, which I quoted the top scientists. It’s all like, factually. And they said that they gave me a low mark on that because I’m framing it in a way to not let you trust government institutions. Okay, well, that what. And then the next two things I use, they use Brownstone Institute, who is ranked higher than me that I happened to repost.

So an article that wasn’t even mine on this web on my website. And then the third one who’s ranked higher than me, the third one was something about Clinton’s body count written by somebody else on another website that wasn’t even mine. Okay. So those are the three factors they used. And then they’re considered the top website. So Princeton University, all these universities use them, all the libraries use them, the AIs, until I corrected some of them, they all use them and they regurgitate because that’s the consensus out there by this top, top place. And then when you try to get it changed, because I’ve tried to change and contact them, it’s, it’s ghost, it’s cringe.

And the people there you are, the people who are building these LLMs, they become like these gatekeepers of so called truth. And so when people turn to something like Grok or Claude to be like a fact checker, it’s, it’s really unfortunate because they’re, it’s built into the quote unquote DNA of the LLM to only like hold, you know, as like verifiable truth. New York Times or cnn. So it really discounts a lot of like the independent voices. And so you’re getting just regurgitating, regurgitated news from people who’ve been lying to us for decades. So, and that’s, you know, the open.

They openly say this too. Like the people who build these things just five years ago were against freedom, we’re pro censorship, but now we’re like rewarding them. It makes no sense to me. That’s right. So why are we, if you are trying to look for, you know, the, the authority voices, why would you depend on the voices that we know have been lying to you? Yeah, so that we, we’re in kind of a cultural crisis, aren’t we? We always are. It’s nothing new. But now we have new things to worry about because they are literally redefining words.

You know, so we have to, you know, with, with kids, we have to make sure they understand what words actually mean. Because there are things out there, machines out there trying to manipulate reality, whether literally, like whether it’s how they want to die or not. Because these people trying to manufacture immortality in a lab as we speak, or this LLMs that they’re saying could replace teachers, you know, it’s a, it’s a really a full war against, a total war against reality. And they’re, they’re really vying for you to buy into everything they’re selling because not only have they put so much money into it, but it’s, it’s in my opinion, becoming the government.

Right. Like all these AI models, all this stuff. That is what the government is leaning towards where it’s a, a total surveillance state, one giant omniscient eyeball that is watching you always. Like a social credit system that they have in China, which I’m completely opposed to, but it seems like the people in, on both sides of the aisle in D.C. are happy supporting that that, well, AI has some amazing opportunities, but if it’s used in the way you just described it, it is, it’s enslave. It’s, it’s worse than enslavement, right? Yeah, yeah. It really, it really is.

It’s. It’s enslavement and perfected. Yeah, yeah. And so we are, do you think, I always say, I’ve always said this, we have people who are running our, in Congress in positions of power who really are ill equipped of even understanding what it is that they’re managing. You know, what it is that they’re. Could you imagine, you think our politicians are. I think they’re the smartest people we have. Honest and totally trust them. But not even, but not even whether they have the quality of character. Right. We’ve always argued about quality character. When they were talking about Twitter was up on.

They were talking about that in Congress and they were talking about X and Twitter and whatever and they’re, they were talking about instances of a post, people being able to see the amount of time that the post was viewed. They had to stop the session to explain to the senators what that means. Yeah, I mean, how can these people be stewards of anything if they don’t even, I mean it’s like getting a. Not even a preschooler. It’s somebody, a preschooler to run a corporation or something. I think so bad. It’s part of the problem of having so many, you know, 200 year old people in, in Congress still and, or in the Senate.

But it’s almost by design. They’re like, there’s this old class of people who is refusing to leave power and then there’s this new class of people from Silicon Valley who want to become the government. They say that themselves. They also consider themselves Manhattan Project 2.0. They talk about technocracies, they talk about a monarchy. They love this stuff. And so, you know, when I, when I see these older people talking about, I love old people but you know, it reminds me of talking to my grandma, explained to her what a hashtag was 10 years ago for like a thousand different times.

I’m like, they’re just. The world is not for them. Unfortunately, it’s a different paradigm world. It’s very different. And unfortunately they have to understand it. But they’re also getting a lot of money from them. They’re totally, I think bought by these companies big time. And that we’re becoming a corporations are the globalists. You know, these large corporations is what globalism is. Right. When it comes to larger and the Government. If they’re tied into these corporations or can control these corporations, then they can control the world. World. The world through these massive corporations. The risk is if the government decouples themselves from these corporations and then, I mean, what do you think of that? I mean, is there a risk? Or is that.

I mean, is that what. No, it’s bad. No. It reminds me of my favorite movie network where Ned Beatty’s character is saying, there is no America, there is no Saudi Arabia. You know, there’s. There’s no money. It’s just like a network of corporations, you know, who run the world. And if you have, if no one’s seen that movie, if you’re watching this, it’s the greatest movie, you know, ever, about media, about power, about paranoia, all that stuff. And it was from, from the 70s, I think, but it’s as relevant today as it was then. Well, that’s really relevant now because now it’s really obvious, right? And they can really do it.

It’s really obvious. And so somebody who’s trying to maintain. Maintain power for the United States, you have a choice. Choice to get in bed with these corporations or can you decouple from them? It’s, it’s, it seems impossible to me right now, especially, you know, after what’s going on the last two years. Project Stargate, that was $500 billion shrine to AI and data centers. And look, I’m not opposed to AI and how it can be a great tool. What I’m opposed to is how it is eating up all of our farmland. And I still care deeply about our farmers, and they’re really suffering and they can hardly afford to continue.

Expensive. But that’s a different. The data centers because of the land. It’s almost a. Because farmers are under attack in many ways other than the data centers. But maybe that’s affecting a certain number of them. Certainly. Yeah, but they have, but they have to. But they’re. They’re being forced to sell to data centers. Many. You know, there’s other things like solar farms in New York, which is a huge issue. Even worse. But there, there’s a lot of farmers. Or what happened with Forever California and Northern California with Mark Andreessen and Reid Hoffman. It’s a really sad story.

70,000 acres. Not just for data centers, but that’s for their. One of their private cities. But, you know, I think there’s something. I don’t know how we’re going to decouple from it because we’ve invested so much. And it’s not just this administration. It’s not just Biden, it’s not just Obama. You know, for me, it really started with like, Patriot act era and the CIA funding stuff like Palantir. It’s so deeply woven into our government. These technologies, you know, these companies that became the surveillance state that watch your every move, that track you, that send satellites into the sky or track your phone.

You know, I don’t know how you just end that. What we could do, hopefully, is try to keep policy so it prevents us from living in a world where there’s a social credit system where you can be, you know, debanked for tweeting the wrong thing. And that seems like a, A, a stretch, I think, to some, but we see that happening in other countries and that’s. It’s not, it’s very capable. It’s very capable. You can have an AI analyze your tweet, granularize your post, and then flag it as somebody that needs to be. And, and you don’t have to have people involved at all.

That’s where it gets really scary. You can have very few people deciding, like a handful of people deciding how to manage all of society. And we’re seeing that already play out in war around the world where there’s AI, I call them AI Death machines, something like an AI lavender, which really, I think there may be one person at the end of it to press the final button, but they collate all these numbers and faces and it has a 15% error rate. As far as we’ve seen, that’s a pretty big error rate that has taken the lives of children.

And, you know, you see it also with clear view AI and facial recognition on drones in Ukraine. It’s really scary stuff and we’re seeing a lot of that. What happens, unfortunately, is that we see a lot of that happen at war, and then it comes home. I’m not saying they’re going to start attacking us. What I’m saying is that they’re going to find ways to use that to help police them. And of course we want safety, of course, but, but We’ve lived through 2020 where they redefine what a danger, what a threat is. So we have to always keep that in mind.

Like what was okay yesterday, tomorrow will deem dangerous. And I, I’m from New York originally, and you know, before I, my family and I fled New York from the great state of West Virginia, they were trying to pass a law where they were going to make it legal for the state to take you out of your home if they thought you were a threat to the health of your community. It didn’t pass. But they’ve been trying to pass that law for like 20 years. And they saw co. They’re like, oh, this is a great time to try to do it.

So, so it’s. These things are very possible and they’re just bubbling beneath the surface as we speak. Well, there’s a group of people that have a different psychosis. They, their mind thinks differently where they want to control everybody for everything. They don’t understand what freedom is. They don’t understand what our society was based on. They have a control issue themselves. So they want to go into congress or we’re going to local government and create laws left and right to control every. Called the nanny state state. But there’s a certain psychosis with people that just want to control everything.

And for some reason they get themselves in the power and then they spin it as if we care about you and we need to do this because we care about you. And they truly believe that A lot of. Oh yeah, we don’t even see. I mean, it’s not just there, unfortunately, it’s not just unique to D.C. you know, going back to 2020, they, the government effectively outsourced tyranny to my family, friends and neighbors. I couldn’t believe it. You know, people I’ve loved my whole life, I still love, but overnight they were like, you know, hypochondriacs and they were counting how many people were coming to my house for my baby’s birthday party or, you know, make sure you follow the lines at the supermarket or they’re going to tell on you.

So this isn’t all of us, unfortunately, you know, this crazy greed and power. I think some of us are better at, you know, recognizing it and not acting on it. But there are a lot of people and a lot of them end up doing very well in D.C. and making a lot of money and insider trading and all that great thing and starting wars. And they find that that’s home for a place that rewards people that want to make money and lie to the people that voted them in. Many of you have heard of me talking about my weight loss journey and how I’ve lost over 25 pounds with peptides, specifically with retatrutide.

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Maybe more people have woken up, but now think of all the bots. Let’s circle back to that. All the bots, they can do that for whatever, manufacture any kind of resistance with that. They know who those people are now. They’ve been tracking their social media. They know who their potential army is for whatever issue that they’re trying to get accomplished. And then they target those messages and then they become their army. Army. Yep. And they can so easily, so quickly have their bots study. I’m putting study in quotes, what the person they’re going after is like, what they’ve done.

So it can even seem authentic, like, oh, this person is referencing something I did five years ago. You know, I’ve been under attack by bots multiple times. You know, if you ever had a tweet go viral, you know that, like, you can tell the difference hopefully, between a real person responding and a fake person responding. You can also look at the account and get a good idea. But, you know, I. One of the stories in the book, you know, an early. There’s an earlier form of that that was online that really upset people. And obviously I knew there were real people who were mad at me.

I knew them in real life. And on top of that, though, there were like tens of thousands of accounts that were just saying the same thing. I would turn on Twitter, the app would just die. It was too much. I was getting like an onslaught of bots. And so obviously there were real people who were upset. That’s totally fine. But it was very obvious that you’re getting hit up. I’m getting Hit up by all these fake accounts. Not just to get me to step down or force me to feel a certain way, what didn’t work, but it was to really help engineer people around me to see me a certain way or to just back off or to just back off.

You know, I had friends who succumbed to it. And I get it because it’s, it’s a lot. But I had multiple people who were like, I have to delete the tweets. I was going to defend you, but they’re starting to hit me up. I’m like, hey man, I get it. It’s all good. I really don’t care. Well, this is. This particular one was a story about a girl who said she’d been a human trafficking survivor. And I wrote a profile on her. Everyone believed she was lying. I profiled her. I don’t know her full story, but I don’t think the lies that they were saying she was like, I don’t believe that she was lying the way they were saying she was lying.

Was she, was she a victim? I believe that she went through some really bad stuff. Yeah, I can’t, but I can’t. Abused by some. Oh, it was, it was insane. You know, like she’s got a bad past, you know, so she didn’t make it easy because was. They saw her as like a, as a person who had done drugs, who had been public facing and different videos, rap stuff. So they saw her Persona but. And use that to just cancel out anything that might have happened to her. Like, I’m talking to her family, I’m looking at receipts of where she lived, all these different things.

And you know, my wife is talking to her, trying to get an idea of what’s going on here. But what I ended up thinking at the end was a lot of it was about the dead Internet theory in the end, because I experienced this bot attack, but also I could line up everything I found of hers, receipts, rent, all this stuff, work, employment, all this stuff, and put that side by side with the way people were saying she was lying. And a lot of it just was contradictory. So all I’m saying was like, who was her name? Was a lot her? Oh, I don’t know who was behind it.

The girl was Eliza Blue. But the, the people behind it, I mean, I know the people from personal experience who, who were mad at me, but I don’t know, like, who’s the person buying bots? Because the theories could be they were someone who didn’t want you to talk about human trafficking, which is A, there’s another story in the book about me catching predators like pedophiles. It was disgusting. These men were disgusting. And you see, sometimes you talk about issues like that, there is some weird backlash. You don’t know where it’s coming from to get you to stop talking about it.

You see it with the Epstein files, you know, so I don’t know if that’s the case, but that was one of my theories. It could just be they hated her, you know, and they just want to shut her up totally. You know, that’s awful. I mean, anybody who’s being abused in that way, I, I, I’ve, we’ve all, anyone who’s ventured out into that world of blackmail and pedophilia and stuff. Seen a lot, right? It’s evil. Oh, yeah. But no, but you’ve seen a lot from the attack on the other side. They really want to make sure that their, their market is protected.

Yeah, yeah, that’s what they’re doing. They’re protecting their market. They’re protecting the high profile people from having any kind of visibility. And, and so they do that. And they also want people to think that the human trafficking coming over the border, I’ve had people tell me this, attorneys tell them to say this, that it’s all made up, it’s fake. I’ve been in a Yuma, you know, I’ve talked to these people. It’s, it’s awful. I mean, there’s video of this stuff. We know how many children were lost over the border when Kamala was the so called border czar.

You know, this unfortunate market is huge. It’s bigger now than ever because of the Internet. And when I was in Ohio catching these pedophiles, we did it for two or three days and it was non stop. It was non stop. Like they did it with these guys who do sting operations and they have all the proof and all this stuff. What’d you do with the people when you find one? You just do you feel like you just want to rip them apart? Yeah, I talk about that in the book. You know, there’s, there’s a moment where I’m like, I am imagining violence and this is so evil, it makes me sick to my stomach.

The reason I chose to go with Alex Rosen, who’s the guy who did these operations, predator poachers, is because he didn’t do the thing where like they typically go and beat them up. I get the urge, but I want justice. I want them put away for a very long time and I want them to rot in a jail cell or also take down the network. So if you can get to them, you can get to more people. And that’s exactly what he does. You know, he can. Where do you get this stuff from? Who. Who are you talking to? Who’s in the group chats? You get so much more information and you get these confessions and then people get put away.

You know, it’s different every state. The laws are different, but it’s amazing what he does. And, yeah, so I picked him because there’s other people out there who go and just beat him up. I understand the urge, but if you want justice, let the people in prison kill. Exactly. Like put them in prison, Then it’s fine. Justice has been done. But I want them away from society. And so many of these guys, you know, it was all type of people, you know, people on the right will always say it was all liberals. People. Liberals would be like, it’s.

It’s like Trump pedophiles. I saw all types of people. Old, young, just married fathers. It was insane. Insane. And we just rolled up and knock on the door. It was crazy. It was totally crazy. So after seeing that, that after writing about human trafficking and you do enough research, you do any research about this stuff, you see how widespread it is. And so, like, you’re saying, you know, you’re totally right, there’s a market, they try to protect it. I don’t know exactly what was behind whatever was attacking me, because it could be multiple things. Sure. But, you know, you see this.

You see it, the pressure campaign against the administration right now with the Epstein files. And that, to me, is one of the most. That is one of the most nefarious things that we’ve dealt with. And what they’ve done to children, you know, put aside all the war, manufacturing weird human experiments, all that stuff, you know, that’s been going on with EP in that orbit, because I don’t think he’s alone, obviously, but hurting kids, you know, needs to be something we could all get together and try to crush. But like, oh, no, don’t talk about it. We’re past that now.

I’m like, no, I don’t think we’ll ever be. And I think it’s really got to talk about. Yeah, let’s talk about it. The fact that all these powerful people were involved and they’re still in power and we don’t want to talk about it, and it’s insane. And they just move on. Yep. Yeah, they’re still. They still have jobs, you know, like Howard Lutnick, like, he lied on camera. He said he met Epsy and he was disgusting. My wife and I didn’t like him. We never saw him again. Then we see him in the files and we see him hanging out, bringing his kids to the island, being a business partner.

I’m like, dude, it’s time to bow down, you know, and get out. You know, I love it that they’re called the Epstein class or, you know, I think it’s important that we keep them on phrasing so people understand. Have to. You have to, right? Okay. Well, you have an interesting. Okay. Where can people get a copy of your book and follow you? Awesome. This is really fun talking to you. Thank you so much for having me. So you can find the book@shanecashman.com it’s out through Skyhorse. They’re awesome. They’ve been so much fun to work with. You can find, you know, all the different links to buy@shanecashman.com if you want to keep up with me, help, support me.

Shane Cashman. Substack.com is best. I just put up an article this morning about all these different scientists that are trying to what I call redefine death. You know, transhumanism, putting your consciousness on a computer. People scientists who literally this year. This is insane. But I’ll bring it up anyway, since it’s on my mind. Who made sourdough from the yeast of a 5,000 year old corpse and ate it. Oh, wow. It’s Otzi. For those who know Otzi the Neanderthal. That’s what they did. So they’re doing all these or de. Extincting, bringing animals back from extinction. So it’s all about that.

Yeah, it’s wild stuff. That is something I want to talk more about is bringing these animals back from extinction. It’s like Jurassic park for real. And they’re really doing it. Oh, they’re really doing it. So you’re studying that and have you interviewed many people that have done that? Not yet. I would love to talk to Colossal Biosciences. That is, they’re very controlled. Colossal Biosciences are CNN access kind of people. So you wonder why. Yeah. You know, when you’re critical of a lot of these places, places they tend to not want to talk to you. I’ve noticed because I’m very critical of a lot of these tech types.

I’m fascinated by it and I would love to have a conversation with them. But it is doing it. They’re trying. They brought back the direwolves aesthetically they’re working on the woolly mammoth, the saber tooth tiger, the giant moa. They just hatched 20 birds out of artificial eggs. So it’s moving towards this world of these tech guys talking about artificial wombs as well. So. Sorry moms. Yeah, well it, it, well the, the concern I have with artificial wombs is that these guys want to eliminate women altogether. Yes. Yeah, they, they literally do. They do not like the family.

They want you in your little coffin sized department in your little 15 minute city. They don’t want you having a relationship. They like LLMs that could be your girlfriends. I mean they want to live forever as well. I think they want to get rid of females, males like I think. Yeah, they literally want an all male society. Yeah, I mean a lot of those guys I have, they, they live a life that’s like that, you know, they don’t have wives, they purchase children and they literally are talking about we could have robots where we can just put the baby in the artificial womb.

The phrase artificial womb factory is a thing they talk about. They’ll keep enough women to create the eggs, they’ll change the genetics based on them and the women will be just a few factory and it’s just these guys. I mean that’s what I think it’s going to be. I, I, I’m sorry everybody but it seems like that’s what they want. I know it’s extreme. Yeah. And it’s just a small niche but that niche has a lot of power and that’s what they want. Yeah, it sounds extreme but if you, if anyone out there, I’m sure like, if you look at these like people, what they talk about it is the way they’re heading.

Like they don’t want the family, they don’t want you to have a family. They don’t want you to have power. They want you to be hooked up to their machines eating their slop, AI slop all day, every day. And they, they don’t see a new a need for humans. You know, they don’t like being, that’s why they want to live forever. All humans they don’t care about but they like themselves. So love themselves. They love themselves and they love what they are, but they’re. Yeah, it’s just screwed up. Okay, tell us your website again. Yeah. Awesome.

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