Jim Manning bravely reveals incredible research and insights you have not heard on JFK assassination

➡ Jim Manning, a former Marine and author, joined Michael Jacob on his show to share his insights on the JFK assassination. Manning, who served in the Marine Corps and later worked in Washington, stumbled upon a file on Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged JFK assassin. He found that Oswald was marked as ‘unqualified’ in rifle qualification, which contradicted the narrative that Oswald was a skilled marksman. Manning’s discovery, along with his conversations with renowned sniper Carlos Hathcock, led him to question the official story of the JFK assassination.
➡ A former Marine moved to Virginia and started studying at Old Dominion College. He joined a study group on the Kennedy assassination and decided to share some information he had with Jim Garrison, who was investigating the case. However, Garrison warned him that their communication might be monitored. Later, a man named Antonio Sansone, who was suspected to be a government agent, threatened him to stay away from the Kennedy case. This led him to investigate Sansone and another man named Frank Sturgis, both of whom had connections to the CIA and the military.
➡ The speaker recounts his journey of discovering the identity of a man who threatened him, Frank Sturgis, who was involved with the CIA. He then talks about his career selling law books in Virginia and studying law, which led him to become an investigator for lawyers. He also mentions his motivation to clear someone’s name and his discovery of a book called ‘Regicide’. The speaker then delves into the history of Operation Paperclip, where the U.S. brought over Nazis for their knowledge, and the CIA’s involvement with a man named Heinrich Mueller. He ends by discussing the Bay of Pigs invasion and President Kennedy’s stipulation that no U.S. planes attack Cuba.
➡ The text discusses a series of historical events involving the Kennedy administration, the CIA, and the Russian government. It mentions a failed operation known as the Bay of Pigs, which was blamed on Kennedy but was actually the fault of the Dulles brothers. It also talks about a plan called Operation Northwoods, which proposed staging attacks on American soil to justify a war with Cuba, but was rejected by Kennedy. Lastly, it mentions a secret communication channel between Kennedy and Khrushchev, facilitated by a KGB colonel, to avoid escalating tensions between their countries.
➡ The speaker discusses the complex political dynamics between the Kennedys, the CIA, and Russia during the Cold War. They suggest that the Kennedys established a secret communication channel with Russia to prevent nuclear war, which was seen as treasonous by some. The speaker also implies that this perceived treason led to a series of secret meetings, resulting in a decision to assassinate President Kennedy. The speaker believes that this conspiracy involved multiple intelligence agencies and was kept remarkably secret.
➡ The speaker discusses various conspiracy theories and hidden information about the assassination of a prominent figure, possibly JFK. They mention different people and groups involved, including Lee Harvey Oswald, who they suggest was used as a pawn by intelligence agencies. The speaker also talks about their book, which aims to educate young people about these theories and the complex web of events surrounding the assassination.
➡ The text discusses a man who, despite not having a formal education, was involved in secret missions and served his country. However, his reputation and his family’s reputation were destroyed. The text also mentions a book called “Regicide” that was seized by the CIA and FBI, and a fake company was created to buy back copies from the public. The text also talks about the CIA’s involvement in various assassinations and the creation of a law that justified these actions.
➡ The text discusses a conspiracy theory about the assassination of President Kennedy. It suggests that several presidents, including Nixon and H.W. Bush, knew about the assassination beforehand. The text also mentions a mysterious party where the assassination was allegedly discussed, and a captain of the Old Guard who was told to prepare for a presidential funeral days before Kennedy’s death. The text implies that these events point to a larger conspiracy involving the deep state.
➡ A coffin arrived at Bethesda Hospital with Jackie and Robert Kennedy, along with Jack’s personal physician. The coffin was moved into a morgue, but the body inside was not the one seen on the plane earlier. It’s suggested that the body was worked on by John Liggett, a skilled mortician, possibly on a different plane. There are suspicions of corruption and conspiracy, with some believing the truth about the body and its handling was hidden.
➡ The speaker sees himself as an ordinary person who has had a lot of time to spend on something that affects the world. He’s been sharing his views on YouTube and is surprised by the number of people watching. He’s written a book called “Patriotism Unhinged” and has faced some challenges due to his past involvement with the CIA. He’s looking forward to interviewing Jim Files and possibly sharing some of it on YouTube. He’s grateful for the opportunity to share his work and hopes to continue doing so.

Hello, everyone, it’s Michael Jacob with Unleashing Intuition Secrets, joined today by Jim Manning, former Marine Simplify. And we, we love the information that he has on the JFK assassination. Patriotism Unhinged is his book. He has a YouTube site that has unbelievable videos where he goes into incredible depth. Great information in those videos today. First time that he’s. Well, we tried a couple days ago, but didn’t quite work out. But today everything’s smooth. So we’re hoping to have a really good show today where he’s going to reveal a lot of great information, get you guys started. It’s his first time he’s done a live stream.

He’s a natural and he’s highly intelligent and he looks great. Look at him. It’s amazing. Jim, pleasure and an honor to have you on. You know, I served the military for 24 years and I know you served and you’re still serving by trying to help our country. You’re a brave man because a lot of people that came out to talk about this stuff on the level that you have aren’t around anymore. So thanks so much for coming in. Thank you, Mike. Glad to be on your show. Great team. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It’s going to be a great, great information, great share.

Let’s. You have been doing this for a long time and the motivation for you doing this was spectacular to me. You know, we, we had somebody that you saw that was involved in this and you wanted to find out, you know, exactly why he was, you know, put in that position. So tell us about your, you know, how you came into the Marine Corps and where you got stationed and what happened after that. Sure. Yeah. Okay. That’s great. Yeah, well, you know, I was just like everybody else in those days. I joined the Marine Corps when I was 18 and I spent two years in the infantry, made a med cruise, came back and was transferred to headquarters Marine Corps in Washington up at the Navy Annex, which is adjacent to the, the cemetery, Arlington National Cemetery.

And I was stationed there for two years. And when I, when I got there, the fellow that I was replacing was still there for about a week, I think, and he was snapping me in on all the duties. I was a security guard in the file section and no computers in those days. And so the files were kept in a very, very large room about half the size of seeing to me as a football field. And it. But there was a room off to the side that was closed in. And he took me in there, he showed me the files of all the illustrious Marine heroes People that you know, John Lejeune, people who bases were named after Chesty Polar, you name it, they were all in there.

You must have been in heaven that have won a Congressional Medal of Honor and so forth. So he said on occasion, to keep from being bored, he would go down there and finger through them. And if he saw one that he had some recognition for, he’d pull it out, take it back to his desk and slowly go through it to see how the action where they were, Nicaragua, you know, how many, how many ribbons they won and for what. And so I guess probably in the time that I was there, I did that, I think seven or eight times.

And one time that I did that I was figuring through and I saw what, what appeared to be an empty folder because most of them were about an inch to an inch and a half thick. And so I pulled it out to discard it. And instead of that, as I went to throw it in the trash, I looked, it said, Oswald Lee Harvey. Wow. I had a heartbeat snap. And I said, what’s that doing here? You know? And so I opened it up and it wasn’t empty. It had four or five pieces of paper in it.

And on top was his DD214. Now, there are probably listeners of yours who wouldn’t be familiar with the DD214. And so I would say that it’s a one page document that at the end of your active duty service you leave your service with, and with that you are able to use the VA for going to college, buying a home if you have medical problems, that sort of thing. And so that’s why it’s very necessary. And on that page is a kind of a short history of everything that happened to you while you were in now on down on section 26.

And I guess it’s the same one for all services, but in the Marine Corps, when on Section 26 it listed badges, ribbons, good conduct, metals and other commendations a person might get while they’re on active duty. And in the Marine Corps it would list your rifle qualification. Now I had gone to admin school on the way up there. And so I knew that if a person was unqualified, and there weren’t a lot of people that were unqualified, but if they weren’t qualified, they would put UNQ there. And the reason they didn’t put unqualified would be, I guess, you know, you’re going to carry that paper with you the rest of your life.

And every time you show it, somebody might say, what? What were you unqualified for. So I think that’s why they changed it to unq. But anyway, but it was a designation to me that showed that he had never been qualified. And of course, they tried to change the situation there. Some people on comments said, you know, he. On each enlistment it may change, but in the Marine Corps, it’s always going to be your highest accomplishment. Now to qualify in the Marine Corps, you the lowest, but still makes it, is a marksman. The next one up is a sharpshooter, and that’s what I was qualified as.

And then the next one up is in the top one is expert. Now, it seemed to me at the time that most of the fellows who were able to hit expert right out of right in boot camp were guys that came from rural areas and had hunted with their father and uncles. And so they had a lot of more experience than. Than, you know, people from Pittsburgh on the street. So, you know, so anyway, I never got another chance in four years to qualify. So it’s not something that has to be done. And to a lot of people who have made comments, you won’t fail out of the Marine Corps if you don’t qualify.

So, anyway, I live in Norfolk, Virginia, and about five miles from my home was the home of Carlos Hathcock. Maybe you’ve heard of Carlos, you know, of course. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Carlos had Some people say 68 confirmed kills, other people say 162 confirmed kills, but everybody says over 300 unconfirmed kills in Vietnam. And so he. He lived only a few miles from me. I wasn’t a friend of his. My brother was a closer friend to him, but I. I was an acquaintance, and we got together a couple times to talk about what I had seen. And he said that it was a bedtime story.

He said he couldn’t have done it. He couldn’t. Wow. Yeah. He said, yeah, he actually trained some of the Seal Team 6 guys when I was. Yeah, he’s amazing. Trained some of the police forces here in the area. Oh, fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so that gave me further, you know, knowledge that, wow, no way would he. Would he be able to do that. And then the last thing was, was that if you were in the Marine Corps and you didn’t qualify, and I think that’s a lot of years ago for me, but I think it was that in my company of 100 men, two didn’t qualify.

Now, if you didn’t qualify, you would still be in the Marine Corps, but you might be in the motor pool, you might be in Supply you might be in. And a lot of them went to the Air Wing like he did and was sent to Japan. And that would be another confirmation, if you’re just looking for facts, that he probably didn’t qualify. Now, at the time, my commanding officer in that section was a Colonel Folsom, and about the same time that I was there. But I wasn’t familiar with Mark Lane. Mark Lane had contacted Colonel Folsom, too, and he had asked Colonel Folsom, because this was in his book, I think, Rush the Judgment.

He had asked Colonel Folsom. He said, well, what kind of a shot was Oswald? And his answer was, well, he was rather a poor shot. He didn’t say it was unqualified. Right. Didn’t say it was qualified. He just said it was rather a poor shot. And so he was there when Mark Lane was questioning him and that he was there when I was there. So this is now in 64. Sometime in 64, about a year after the assassination or so. And I. I didn’t tell anybody about that because I started to think that, you know, you might get in trouble here.

I wasn’t worried about getting killed or anything at that point, but I. I thought, you know, maybe there was some restriction about going into those files and looking. So I didn’t say anything to anybody. I got out of the Marine Corps and I moved to Virginia, to Northern Virginia. My sister lived here. Her husband was in the Navy. She said, why don’t you come up here and start Old Dominion College? So stay with him for about six months on the base, and then got off on my own, got a job and so forth. And I went to Old Dominion College.

And while I was there, I was in a study group on the Kennedy assassination because there was an awful lot of interest in it, because at that time, Jim Garrison was, you know, bringing the first and only indictment in the assassination. And I thought about it for a few days, and then I said, he may be the guy. I need to tell what I heard, what I saw. Wow. So after a few days, I called. I had to go through, I think, four different assistants who, each one wanted to know why I wanted to speak to him.

And I told them all that I had seen something that might have been important to his case. However, for security reasons, I only want to discuss it with him. And so finally he got on the phone, and he was. I was struck by how refined a gentleman he was. And we tibet a little bit about his trial. And then I finally got around to saying, well, now, the reason that I called you was that I saw something I wasn’t supposed to see. And he stopped me very abruptly. He said, don’t say another word, don’t say another word.

And I, you know, I was wondering. He said, I’m sorry to have to tell you that we’re fairly confident that our lines have been compromised. Wow. He said, and I wouldn’t want you to tell me something that, you know, somebody else would hear. He said, but there’s a guy hidden here today and working on it. He said, and they tell me that within 10 days they’ll be able to guarantee that the lines are clear. He says, and with that I would ask you to call me back and I’ll be patiently waiting to hear what you have to say.

He said, and I will. He. He agreed to come up to Old Dominion to speak to the university. It changed to a university. And he said he’d come up and speak there as same as Mark Lane did. And so we cut, we broke off the call. Now about I think three days, maybe four after that call, I was reading the paper and all of a sudden I see a picture of the. And I sent. I don’t know if you got all the pictures I sent, but I sent a picture of the paper and the paper had an article had a picture of Jim Garrison in it and about 10, 9, 10 lines of copy in it, inches of copy.

And it said that I had spoken to Mr. Garrison, it mentioned me two or three times and it said that he had accepted an invitation to speak at the university and he was gonna be happy to do that. But of course I didn’t tell him what I knew. So it wasn’t in the article. However, it was a couple of days after that that I went to my part time job. I used to sell jewelry and downtown Norfolk to sailors, wedding bands and stuff like that for their girlfriends, diamond rings. And also they sold a mother’s brooch pin.

And you know, it was almost like comical pulling them in off the street and giving them a presentation. And anyway, in that little store that I worked at, there was a watch, what we call a watchman. It was a fellow who sat there and he fixed watches. And this particular guy would come and go sort of as he pleased. I asked a manager one time, I said, what’s the deal with that guy? I said, I know he’s a watchman, but he has a.357 Magnum on his watch bench covered up with a bar towel. He said, don’t worry about him, he’s a government spook.

I said, what do you mean, government spook? He said, he goes down south for the government, says he’d be gone for two months maybe, then they’d come back, he’d be there three weeks, gone again. And this went on for about a year that he was there at the same time I was. Now, his name was Antonio Sansone. So now I get back to three days after the article appears. I go into work and he gets down off the bench and he comes up to me and you may have to bleep this a little bit. He gets eye to eye with me and he says, if you know what’s good for you, you’ll leave that fucking Kennedy thing alone.

Do you understand me? I remember at that time, the only thought in my head was, don’t show him any fear. So I just stared back at him, and then I just quietly walked away. But I started thinking, why in the world would this guy have any interest at all in my interest in the Kennedy assassination? And so from then on, sounds like, you know, I used to work for the CIA, and it sounds like maybe he did too. So, yeah. So anyway, this guy, I started to check him out, and in the researching, I found out that there were two people in downtown Norfolk that had a business selling fruit and vegetables.

And they have little. One had a little store, and out in front during the day, they would put it all out there on the street. A lot of it out there on the street. And their name was the same as his, Samson. And there was one other family who had a little store like that, and their name was Fiorini. And so it turned out that Fiorini was the family of Frank Sturgis. That was his original name, Frank Fiorini. So him and the other guy were the same, basically the same age. And they had been both in the World War II, says both saw combat.

Combat. And Sturgis started when he got out with the Norfolk Police Department, and he was a policeman for about six months. And he approached the chief and he told the chief that he had witnessed some graft going on by members of the force. And the chief showed no interest in it. And with that, he lost interest in the force and he resigned. And when he resigned, he. He worked in downtown Norfolk. And you probably have been down there where it’s bar after bar after bar after bar. Oh, yeah. In a navy town, you know, and he worked as a bouncer for a long time, and then he actually owned a bar.

And his bar was like a ship chandler too. And he was very, very close with the Cubans who would come in on the ships coming in commercial ships coming into Norfolk. And anyway, he had. In the meantime, he had joined the army because they wanted to use him in Germany for a while. And then believe it or not, he joined the Navy for a little while to do something for the Navy. And then I’m sure he joined, was proselytized by the CIA because he was sent to Oriente province. And he was the leader of the military arm of Che Guevara and Castro.

As they were teaching the guys who were going to go in on the original revolution that put Castro in power, he orchestrated that for the CIA. So now I was able to make a connection that the two of those guys worked for a time at the Naval Air Rework facility, and they were close friends and they. They also like to fly, and they both knew how to fly. And then I was looking for him and he. He sort of disappeared. You know, Frank Sturgis, you know, showed up and all kinds of things all the way through the Watergate.

But this guy was hard to find. He had. He had gotten out of town, and I couldn’t seem to locate him. And another researcher guy from up in Boston, Boston area, he called me one day because he knew the story, and he said, I found your boy. And he said, he lives in the Schenectady, New York area. So with that information, I started researching and I found some sandstones in that area and I made calls until finally I called somebody and they said, well, his. We have a phone number of his daughter and her name’s not Samsung because she’s married and so forth.

And I got to her and she told. I didn’t tell her why I was looking for him. I told her I was writing a book about my job. And so she sent me six pictures of her father. And of course, the picture that I would have of whom would have been and what in my mind was like 1968. So he got out of the. The army probably in 46 or 7. So it was quite a bit older than the. Some of the pictures. But one of them was right on. So with that, I knew that I had finally found him.

And he said, now I found him. He said, and you need to go to J.J. weberman’s book, which is called the Unauthorized Biography of Frank Sturgis. He says, and on About a page 126, he said, they don’t. Not. The pages aren’t numbered, he said, but the front of the thing has a picture of. Of Frank Sturgis and Che Guevara in Cuba together. And he says, and just turn the pages to get to 126, he says, and you’ll find that there was a meeting down in Miami. And at that meeting, Sturgis was meeting with another CIA man and a fellow who owned a small airlines, he said, and when that meeting was over, the.

The airline guy and the CIA guy were going to lunch, and they invited Sturgis to join them. And Sturgis says, no, I. I’m going across the street here, and I’m going to have lunch with my best friend, Antonio Sanson. So that was the proof then that I needed, that he was the guy who had threatened me. And. Wow. So I don’t think he was a CIA agent, but I’m sure. I’m sure he was a contract guy. And that’s why he was in and out, in and out, and may have been involved in training people for the Bay of Pigs and so forth.

Anyway, that’s how I got involved in the thing. And with that, I decided that I took a job with a New York publishing company of law books. And so I sold law books all over the state of Virginia, and I. I got to the point where I wanted to know more about the law. And so in the state of Virginia, I guess it’s still available. But at that time, if you had three years of college, 90 hours, you could apply to the Virginia Bar association to read law, what they call Reed Law. And how that happens is that you work for 18 hours a week in a law firm.

You don’t work for them, but you’re studying there, and they’re available to answer any questions for you that you can’t solve yourself. And of course, occasionally they quiz you on how you’re doing, and you’re studying the same subjects at the same time for three years that law schools are teaching contracts at the same time, and so on and so forth. So not only was I selling law books, but I was reading law. And at the end of the three years, I was qualified to sit for the bar exam, just like I went to Harvard Law School.

But at that time, I was making a fairly large amount of money because I had become very, very close with a lot of lawyers who wanted me to help them on other cases as an investigator. So with that, I began. Began. I got a private license, and I would. I would work using some of the books that I sold and to them, and I would help them in their cases and get paid pretty well for it. So I would have done far less by trying to start a practice with basically never having been to law school.

Nobody would hire me and, and I didn’t think of myself as a go getter at that time, and so I thought I was doing pretty well. So. Yeah, you know, there’s. There’s another thing you. We were talking about earlier, another motivation for you. You wanted to clear the name. Oh, yes. I mean, that, that was, you know, that’s. That’s born and bred in Marines. Yeah, the brotherhood. I mean, you know, still today, you know, some friends that I have, and friends of yours too, are marines. And whenever they say goodbye, they say semper fi. You know, that’s just the way it is.

Always faithful. Yeah. Just like with guys in the teams, you know, well, you never leave it. It’s a good bit different in terms of what goes on, but you know what I mean? Anyway, so, yeah, I wanted desperately to prove him innocent. And so I, I worked on that as hard as I could until I found regicide. And when I found regicide, I couldn’t understand why with so many people writing books, I think I just. I don’t know how many were ever published, but some. Some people say 2000, some people say 250062 years. Wow. But out of all of those books, there are only two that have the evidence of regicide that was in regicide.

Yeah. And one of them is regicide, and the other was mine. Yeah. And so I drew the conclusion that there were lots of reasons why the. It didn’t catch on. And it started with the fact that they may have been asleep at the switch up at Langley. Because, you know, usually they get to this stuff as soon as it gets the manuscript gets to the. The company. But they, they. In this case, it didn’t happen because this, this guy Gregory, Gregory Douglas, had written a couple of books about a. Well, I’ll put it this way. You know, after the war, we engaged in Operation Paperclip where we brought over 1700 to 2200 Nazis that we.

Great research. I’ve never heard anybody say those numbers. That’s amazing. That’s. Good job. You’re gonna hear something even better than that now. And of course, of course people know that, that, that we had Warner von Braun, who headed up our rocketry, put us, you know, ahead of the Russians finally. And. But what, what was hidden behind by the CIA for almost ever was a fellow by the name of Heinrich Mueller. Mueller. And Heinrich Mueller was part of that. And he was the head of the Gestapo, the head of it. And I think he Became a, they gave him a new identity here and I think he became a professor at a California university.

And they wanted him because he had the most knowledge of Russian tactics, spy tactics and intelligence tactics and so forth. And so they hid that and they were afraid of him. I don’t know why they didn’t kill him, but it might have been that he, he was as good as anybody in the CIA in terms of intelligence handling. And they probably thought that he had a fail safe system, that it would just go crazy if anything happened to him. And so he wrote a couple of books and him and Robert Trumbull Crowley worked together. He got a lot of information from Crowley about Mueller for his books and they became sort of friendly.

And whenever Robert Trumbull Crowley decided he was getting in the twilight of his career now he was probably, I would say, one of the top five men in the CIA. Of course there’s a director and then it was the James Jesus Angleton had a lot of power. Then there was Robert Trumbull Crowley, who was ahead of the dirty tricks division. Then under that was Bill King Harvey. And so whenever Mr. Kennedy fired the director, Dulles, he fired him for a couple of reasons, but the main reason that he fired him was and his assistant Bissell and General Cabell, he fired them all after the Bay of Pigs because he had come to President Kennedy and he had said, I have to tell you this, Kennedy was now probably inaugurated for maybe in president for three months.

And Dulles went to him and he said, I have to tell you that we have been working for two years with a group of Cuban exiles who are, who have been trained and outfitted and in Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana and then the Everglades in Florida. And we are very, very close to assaulting Cuba and we’ll do a landing. And it’s expected that a lot of people who are not happy that are still there with the change to communism will join it and we’ll take it over just the way Castro did. And so Kennedy, being a combat veteran of the Navy, he, he thought to himself, you know, well, what about air cover? And he said, well, and he was kind of like lackadaisical.

He said, well, we have six planes. And he mentioned a place in the Caribbean. God, I can’t remember now what it was, but it was like Nicaragua somewhere. And he Sundays, we have six planes and if necessary we’ll call them in. And so Kennedy said, well, I’ll, I’ll approve the plan. He said, the plan was designed by Vice President Nixon For. And he was the one in charge of it up until they lost the Elect. You know, Kennedy was in. And so with that, he said, I’ll. I will approve it with the stipulation that there will be no airplanes marked with US Insignias attacking Cuba.

And Dull said, oh, yeah, we won’t have any of that. And so then, of course, with having 2,000, and, I mean, I probably would have never been in the CIA, not smart enough. But, you know, it would occur to me, when I first heard that was we got 2,000 Cubans, don’t you think? Some of those people are Castro people? And he knows everything about this because they did. And they were ready and waiting for them. And so it wasn’t like they thought it was going to be a walk in the park. And so then he goes to Kennedy, he says, I gotta have some air cover.

And he says, well, what about the six planes? He said, they took care. They blew them up. And he said, well, I told you I wasn’t going to give you any air cover. And he didn’t do it. So he took the blame for it, but it was Dulles, his fault. And there was another reason, too, that he fired him. But we. We can’t talk about that for a couple of more weeks. But anyway, he. He was always really the guy in charge, even after he was fired. The new. The new director was from California. It was a businessman.

He had no background in intelligence, so he relied on Jesus Angleton, Robert Crowley, the Crow. They called him the Crow, and Bill King, Harvey, and they talked to him all the time. So he was. He was. He was leading them. He was telling them, you know, okay, so now we get to a very interesting point. There came a time between the time that Mr. Kennedy was elected and the time that he was inaugurated that a man appeared at the Justice Department where Bobby had gone over and opened up an office because he was going to be the Attorney General.

And so this man came to the office and he presented himself with a business card. I don’t know what was on the business card, but it indicated that he was a journalist with Isvestia, the Russian newspaper is Festia. And so they went in or called into Bobby, and they said, there’s a guy here from Russia who’s a journalist, and he would like to speak with you if you have a few minutes. And he said, well, you know, Jack’s not elected yet. But he said, well, I don’t want to see him on. On, you know. So he said, okay, send him in.

I’ll just Hear what he has to say, and I won’t say anything to him. So they let him in and they closed the door, and just the two of them are in the room. And the Guy says, First Mr. Kennedy, he said, I want to apologize for having misled you. He said, I am not who the business card says I am. He said, my name is Georgie Bolshakoff. I’m a colonel in the kgb, and I work up at the embassy down the street. He said, and I am here at the request of Premier Khrushchev to come to you and to tell you that he hopes that first to congratulate you on the winning of the election.

And then it’s his hope that relationship between our two countries will be better than it was with the last administration, he says, and with that, if there’s ever anything or a problem that you can’t solve or need any help, if you get to me, and I will put you in touch directly with Mr. Khrushchev, Premier Khrushchev, he said, and you’ll be able to discuss things with him. And so he left. Well, so let me, Let me break you right there. Your train of thought is amazing. But going down so many rabbit holes that you do in your videos.

I watched where you went into detail about the Kennedy family, and wow, that was. That was amazing how, you know, all these different Kennedys, you know, they. They’re into like, you know, alcohol running back then. Yeah. And. And movies. And that was the way, I guess the father got more women, you know, so he was a womanizer, you know, moving alcohol and making all this money, and that’s how the kids were able to, you know, have the success they did. Wow. So you went to. I had no idea about some of that stuff. So, yeah, I didn’t want to break this, but I want to let everybody know.

And I’m. I’m sharing little. Little tidbits with Everybody. Your. Your YouTube site, which I guess you have over a million views now, doing really good over there. So congratulations. But you have such incredible depth on so many things. I know you can’t cover it all in just one show, but. Yeah, I just want to, like, give everybody a little. Little tidbit, taste of how depth, how deep you are. So. Yeah, continue with this. Is. This, is. This is very insightful. Many people don’t understand the backstory on this and how it got to the point why this group.

Right. That’s non elected, decided things. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Well, that relationship was dormant up until after the Bay of Pigs. And of course, Jack Kennedy took the blame for it. The buck stops here. But he. He really wasn’t responsible for it. It was Dulles. The Dulles brothers, actually, the two of them are just amazing. But anyway, now the next thing that happened was a man came months later after the. After the Bay of Pigs was a fiasco months. It came over because the. The Joint Chiefs were so far to the right that they just were.

Were marching as fast as they could to a war with Russia in some way. And so with that, they sent a spokesman over to see Jack Kennedy. And he said, he, he got in to see him and he said, I’m a spokesman for the Joint Chiefs, he said, and they wanted me to tell you about a plan they have. He said it has the code name of Northwoods Operation Northwoods, he says, and it’s a false flag operation in which we would blow up a couple of our own buildings at Guantanamo. Nobody would be hurt. He said we would take a plane out of the sky that would be attributed to Cuba.

He said we would attack a ship that was going between Cuba and Miami of people trying to get out, he said, and sink that, he said, and we would possibly blow up some sort of a statue or, you know, some sort of a memorial in both Washington and New York. And with that, we believe that the American people would be behind us and going into Cuba. And Jack Kennedy says to himself, this guy’s. This guy’s a lunatic. And so he brushes him off. Okay, yeah, well, I’ll go over it and I’ll think about it, you know, whatever.

And when the guy leaves, he goes into an office off of the Oval Office that his brother and his father are in there, and they start talking about. About it. And he said, you’re not going to believe it. He says, I. I don’t know what, I don’t want to. What are we going to do with these people? I mean, they’re crazy. They want to get into a war. And he says they got to commiserate. And he said it probably came up by one of them. What about that guy that came to see you, Bolshakov? You know, maybe this is a time that you should consider maybe talking to him, because, you know, Khrushchev probably has the same problem.

He’s got generals and admirals over there that are waiting to go, too. Yeah. He said, so, you know, it may not be, you know, the, the pounding on the. The foot on it, all that stuff. He said that. That may be just all theater. He said, you know, you know, what’s, what’s amazing about what you’re bringing up here? Operation Northwoods CIA, not one to throw away a good plan, I believe used that on 911 to get us into war with the Middle East. So that’s, it’s very, very insightful. Yeah. So thank you so much. Yeah, go ahead.

I wish that a lot of the researchers who have continued to hold to the ridiculous war commission and thing. I mean, I don’t even know what you call it. That’s so ridiculous. I mean, they could, they should all now jump on the 911 thing and find out, you know, get hard evidence on that. Yeah. The Bushes, I mean. Yes. To begin with. Yes. Oh my God. Your, your information is amazing. Good job. Yeah. I mean, I’ve been out here saying this stuff for years and I’ve, I’ve been all along. So thank you. Huh? Sure. Sure. Well, you know, at 82, I think God is.

Let me had a, a really good memory. Yeah. Good for you. You know, I don’t read anything off of him when I, when I’m talking. It’s just in my head. But anyway, I thank him for that. Giving me the ability because I always expected that somebody else more professional than me would come out with this and say to everybody, wake up, wake up. And then I realized that millions and millions and millions of dollars and thousands of people. Although I do, I do say, in fact I dedicated my book to people in the intelligence Agency. Yeah.

Because, you know, this was all handled by, you know, maybe 50 people. Yes. And intelligence, you know, and, you know, to me, the most of the people go in, in the morning and they work all day. They work hard. A lot of the people in the field put their life in there, you know, up in their, somebody else’s hands. And, and, and, and they just work hard like, like a guy going to work in a mill in Pittsburgh. And, and it’s a job. And they certainly had nothing to do with these things, these bad things. If you get people at the top who consider themselves smarter than the people that we elect to run things, then you’re going to have a problem.

And so that’s really where I decided that if nobody else is going to do it, and I didn’t think, you know, I might, I might have sold 100 books and that was the end of that. But somewhere in history, whenever the guys like, you know, betsloss and, and the, the young lady, I forget her name right this minute. But, you know, that are. Our historians haven’t looked into this enough to realize that it’s so obvious what happened now. It is anyway, that we’ve got to have a Congress that says we got to do something here. Yeah.

Otherwise we’re going to have 9 11s and we’re going to have this, we’re going to have that, you know, until we’re not around anymore. So anyway, it takes people that are brave, like you, Jim, you know, and it’s. There’s not a lot of them out there, unfortunately. Well, I wasn’t brave till I was 80. You know, when you get up here, you say, well, you know, if you take me out, what are you gonna do Anyway, But I’m glad. I’m so happy that the, that the people like these things I do on YouTube. Yeah. Because they want the truth.

It’s give. It’s given them new interest. New interest now, you know, and, and that’s what my. That’s what the whole thing was about. Yeah. And you inviting me on the show with the thousands and thousands of people that watch you. I mean, now they’re gonna hear some of the stuff too. Yeah. I hope you get super successful. Well, like I said, we’ll pass you on to all the other truthers and people that are out there. They’ll. They’ll want you on, too. So we’ll. You. You want, you want to go big, we’re going to take you there.

So it’ll be, it’ll be good because you should be, because you have amazing information that you’ve, you’ve done the research, you’re. And you’re doing more and you’re even taking it to another level again. And maybe, maybe that’s something we’ll bring up towards the end. But yeah, let’s. So here we are. We have the Kennedys. Basically, they’re going to talk to Khrushchev. And of course, even today, the CIA hates. Hates the. Hates Russia. They’re always trying to get Russia in trouble, always trying to start wars with Russia. Yeah. So. So what do these gentlemen decide? Which gentleman now? So the, The Kennedy clan.

So his father and his brother. So they decided that. Yeah, they decided that what they would do is to take Bulk up on his offer. And so they did set up a back channel. And what happened was the back channel was very successful because it was the back channel that. That stopped the nuclear exchange between us and them by Jack giving. I don’t think they asked for it, but he said, look, I’ll take our stuff out of Turkey and I think Italy. He said, but I can’t do it right away. It’ll take me between now and a year, maybe I’ll get them out of there.

And that was a. Overture to Khrushchev that he was serious about, you know, and then that gave Khrushchev hope that, you know, his generals aren’t going to talk, aren’t going to topple him because they’re going to see that he got him to do that. And so it just worked out for both of them. And then we had the event in, in Germany and put. The tanks were facing each other, you know, and uh, and they, they handled that through the back channel. Wow. And that, that could have been a World War iii. Yeah. You know, and so that may have been treason and, but it would be treason that nobody would probably find him guilty of.

So then what happened was they moved up and what they did. One day, Jesus Angleton had a, a double spy in, in Russia who contacted him and said that he had seen a copy of the morning report. Now for people that are listening and don’t know what that is, the morning report is written, I guess during the night by the Central Intelligence Agency. And it’s ready at 7:30 in the morning. And there are seven people who get together and they read it. And what it is, is the top trouble spots and things that are very important that are going on right now that need to be addressed.

And so it’s, it’s a highly, highly secret document. And above top secret. Anyway, now Jesus Angleton had to figure out how they were getting that. So he came up with a. What was a pretty good idea. He decided to put a small mark in each one that was different. So when his guy got to see another one, he would know where to go to look for the mark. And that mark would indicate whose copy of the Seven they were getting. And when they found out whose copy it was, it was Jack Kennedy’s copy. So he was giving his copy to his brother.

His brother was transferring it somehow to Bolshakov. And Boshikov had a way to get the information to Khrushchev without going through the actual government and of Russia. And now that is treason. I mean, under the law that would be treason. Giving the most secret intelligence about this country to our. What was considered the worst enemy. And so with that they just, they decided that they had to deal with it. Yeah, but you know what, what’s, what’s interesting about that? Yeah, it’s, you know, technically it’s treason. But he was having to work around the CIA, which is trying to cause all these problems.

Sure, sure. And that’s really where we’re at. And that’s really what president should have a lot more power. But, you know, obviously the CIA, at least at that time, had more. Yeah, that’s right, yeah. And they, I’m trying to think, they, after they, after they found that out, he, he decided that there would be a meeting to decide what to do with Kennedy. Had the meeting on March 1st of 1963, and Mr. Kennedy had made a rather liberal admission at the American University. I think it was graduation ceremonies about all the things that we could do with Russia, space work together, and this, that, the next thing.

And so that really frosted them. So they, then on that day, they had a meeting. Three of them, John McCone, the new head of the CIA, and Robert Trumbull, Crowley, the Crow, and James Jesus Angleton. They had a meeting at the meeting, they discussed what to do. And it came, of course, said, well, you know, if we charge them, he said, realistically, we’ll probably never be able to get him impeached with the way Congress is set up. He said, and even if we could get him impeached, we’d never get 60 senators to vote on guilty. And even if we could do that, it would take so long to get a final determination that he’d be halfway through his next term.

And with that, it was decided that they would have to execute him. And while Mr. Dulles wasn’t there, wasn’t in the meeting, his name wasn’t mentioned. But I would, I would say it would have never happened without his massaging the whole situation continually because he wanted to get back to Mr. Kennedy anyway. And so that meeting was the first meeting of 63 meetings, most of them at Langley, but some of them were held like in the District at the couple of clubs, one’s the University Club and a couple of those high end businessmen’s organizations in Washington.

They had the meetings, couple there and they had a lot of them on conference calls. And in those meetings there were minutes, minutes taken. So in the book Regicide, and in my book, all the people who were involved in those meetings are named in the book. And it also tells a little bit about what they do or what they did, what was involved. What is very, very hard to believe is that they were able to keep it so quiet that nobody showed any indication of anything. And you have to understand, part of the Secret Service was in on it.

Not everybody, but a number of them were in on it. The National Security Agency was in on it, the Naval Intelligence Group, ONI and so forth. They were heavily in on it. And nobody, nobody said anything. And it went, it went through smoothly. And, you know, some of these things are still left to be decided on how many teams there were. There were at least two teams and possibly three teams. And some of the teams didn’t know who the players were in the other teams. And so. And there might have been, in the event that they didn’t get him there, there might have been another team between Daily Plaza and the place that they were headed because there was a shooter in a motel that had access to the highway and would have been able to take a shot from his balcony.

So. And these are little known things. You know, you got to go deep to get some of this stuff. But anyway, I. Along, along these lines, Jim, they. Since then, they’ve seeded in all kinds of different disinformation. So a lot of these books are just disinformation and this. And of course, it covered stuff up. I talked to James Files. I asked him, I’m doing a show that I had shooter behind the picket fence. He said that they were, they were part of an. He was part of Assassin team, the Assassin 40 team. And I asked him, because no one had ever.

I don’t know that anyone ever asked this question. I said, jim, did you. Were you. Were you and your group part of going after people that were coming up with, you know, getting close to information? And he’s like, yes. I was like, wow. Oh, yeah. Crazy. Yep. I mean, even some of the ones that might have been a shooter, like Mack Wallace, he was killed. He was, he was run off the road. You know, I mean, uh, the, the two Corsicans. There were three Corsicans, but two of them went to. Got flown out by David Ferry up to Maryland, supposed to spend the night in a safe house.

And they were, they were killed by the. A man from the Shin Bet, which is, I think, the secret police of Israel. Wow. Little. Little known is not known as much as the Masada is known. So many different players. Wow. Yeah. And I, I have, I, I don’t. I can’t bring it right up in my head right now, but I have the name of the guy who did that. Yeah. The man in sherbet. I saw you talk about the Corsicans in your book. Yeah. And patriotism Unhinged. And I was. And it came to me that probably they used that to, you know, work some kind of deals with the French.

We know your guys were doing this. You never know all the different angles they use for all these different operations. They never intended to use Those guys, maybe. Or maybe they were used, and then they use them a different way or they, you know, remove them or. Right. There’s so many different moving parts of these things that people don’t realize it’s not just one shooter, like, you know, the patsy, you know, that. That never happened. He. He was never even involved. Right. So. And that. That’s what Lee Harvey Oswald. That’s why you got involved to begin with.

And then look at all these different rabbit holes and. And another rabbit hole down a rabbit hole. Just like. It’s insane. Amazing. You keep up with it. So good for you. Wow. Well, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald. I mean, it. Take. It would only take you three or four minutes of knowing that Lee Harvey Oswald joined the Marines and he was too young. They found out he lied about his age, they put him out. Yeah. As soon as he was old enough, he went back in. And while he didn’t qualify with a rifle, it said he was very intelligent.

And he was. Went to Atsugi and he was proselytized by probably the fella, oh, CIA guy. Hero in this Korean War and got a battlefield commission. He was only the captain. He was only like 26 years old or something. Anyway, he was a CIA guy in. In Atsugi. And he talked them into going to Russia with him. Yeah. So they sent him back to North Carolina to Illusionary Warfare School in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. And we know this because Tosh Plumlee went to the same Illusionary Warfare School, and he was there whenever Oswald was there. Wow.

You only go there because you’re gonna. You’re gonna get into spy business. Yep. Going to get an intelligence. Heavy deep. And so. And then he was sent to California. I forget the city, but it’s where they have the big language school. Yeah. It’s on the coast. I’m trying to think of it. And. And he went through that school in a elevated Russian language course. And then, of course, he was released from the Marine Corps on the grounds that his mother needed help at home. And within a week, he was flying to Finland on his way to Moscow in a week.

And so that was all part of the deal. He was being sent there because he was bait, because he had worked with the U2s and he went to Presidio of Monterey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don’t remember it either. I think they were thinking, they’ll take a look at him because they expect all. Anybody that goes over there like that is. Is going to be a plant. Yeah. So they look at them, and then they may have been able to turn a couple of people themselves. And so. But him, they didn’t. They didn’t show much interest in.

At all. And in fact, he. He had a. Cut his wrist or something to, you know, like with a butter knife or something, you know, to get them to let him stay. And they never did really try to use them or anything. And when they. Just recently, when the documents were let. The last bit of documents came out, I got a copy of a communique that was transferred from Russian into English where we’re talking about bringing in some people as professors. We switched professors with Russia. And it said that, talking about Leo Oswald, that while he was over there, he took part with his friends in some shooting and he wasn’t any good there either.

And so somebody got that and sent it to me as, I guess, a present, you know. But in regicide, not only are the minutes of the meetings, and they named Sam Giancana, they name the people that were really close to the thing. Now, my book, when I wrote the book, what I was trying to do was to reach some young people, maybe college age and above that, you know, or history driven and wanted to know more. So I wanted to put something in there for them. So there’s four parts to my book. It’s only 162 pages, but the first part was to show why I got interested.

The second part was 20 people who knew about the assassination in advance. And there’s a lot more than that. But I put 20 people in that could be cooperated, you know, and so. And then I put the regicide data that was taken out of Langley and hidden and then eventually transferred to somebody to write them. Write the book after he was dead. That was the deal. You couldn’t write it until after he died. And so he died, I think in 2001 or. Yeah, May 2000 or 2001, anyway. And Gregory wrote the book, came out 2002 or 3, I guess, anyway.

However, I forget where I was headed with that. But now when. And when I think regicide, they talk about how when Lee Harvey Oswald was in Russia, to get in good graces with them, he gave them information about the U2 spy plane. And from that they probably used that to shoot down. Might have been Gary Powers. Yeah, might have been, yeah, because it. They were. They had made a decision that that was a. That would have been a worthwhile experience if that made him a better spy, because they trusted him after that, but they never did.

So that might be why he was expendable to them. And when he came back, I mean, he got a check for airline tickets for him and his family to come, come home, and he never was even debriefed. So then. Then he had never had the education that they wanted for people to be in the CIA, and so they gave him a job in one of their photography places, studying photography and cameras and all that. And that lasted a little while. And then they got a job in a coffee company. They got him a job in there, and, you know, he wasn’t making any money.

And eventually he got that job through the Pains. The Pains are connected real strongly to Mr. Dulles. And that was where they had sucked them in over there in Dallas, because she. Mrs. Payne, could speak a little Russian and little Russian, I think she taught it. But that’s. They. They. They, you know, put them together. And so she got him the job in the Texas School Book Depository. And he was making 120. I mean, $1.25 an hour. And he. Yes, they found over $3,000 worth of photographic equipment that he had. That he owned. So how’s that happen? Yeah, so, you know, they.

They used them as much as they could. Now, you know, in those days, the CIA and the FBI, you know, they didn’t cooperate too much with each other. I don’t know if they do today, even. But anyway, back then. And so this. The. The FBI knew about him, and there were a couple canceled checks that he got paid by the FBI, and there’s a 201 file that existed that he was in the CIA. So you look at that evidence, and you. And you have to say to yourself, you know, this. This kid wanted to do what he could.

Yeah. To get into, you know, the real game. And maybe he didn’t have the ability or maybe he did. You know, a lot of. A lot of what I’m hearing now from people was he was much smarter than people thought he was, but he didn’t have the education. And I don’t know if that’s a, you know, a test you have to meet to get in. Example. He, for example, himself. I mean, James Files. He didn’t have a college education. No. But he was only a contract agent. Yep. And not a. Not, you know, a regular agent.

And, uh. So anyway, uh. But it just seems so sorry that he gave so much and then they killed him like a rag doll and, uh, ruined his family’s reputation and his children’s reputation and, you know, I think destroyed everything about him. Yeah. I think someday in the United States, there might be a. A bronze Statue to him. Probably given his life. Not on purpose, but anyway, you know, I, I appreciate you thinking that way. That’s, that’s. And because I, I felt that way about James Files too. And you know, at first I’m like, you know, God, this guy’s like the shooter of jfk.

And then when I started talking to him, I’m like, he is like me. He had the, the greatest, you know, education within the military. I mean, I was at Pinnacle and he’s doing the same stuff. And I remember guys going off and doing secret missions. I did some myself, actually. Which no. Very few people know about. Sure. And will probably very few people will go to their graves knowing. So he’s like one of those guys. And he was, he was believing like everyone does. It goes in the military. You’re trying to serve the best for your country.

And that’s what Lee Harvey Oswald was doing. And then like you said, that’s beautiful that, you know, he deserves a statue. But they vilified him and destroyed all his record, credibility, everything. Yeah. God. Unbelievable. Now a lot of people don’t know this. The reason that I wrote the book and self published it was that whenever Regicide came out, I think, I don’t know this to be a fact, but I, I think that Gregory Douglas had had a manuscript that he gave to the people that did his other books maybe. And so it went to them and they printed 10,000 copies of the book.

And the soonest the CIA got wind of it, they went to the publishing company and they commandeered all of the books that were there. And then they got the list of all of the people, the bookstores that they had sent them out to. And between them and the FBI, they picked up all the books that were out in the stores. Wow. But what they didn’t get was the first, the first books go out to the people who order them ahead of time. And so a lot of those books had gotten out. So what they did was they started a fake, just a paper company like Wilson Printing or something.

And they, they put the ads in places that they thought that people who read a lot would look and see the ad. And it said that if you had a copy of Regicide, that if you send it in to us, we’ll give you a hundred dollars for it. So a lot of people who bought one, probably, I would think back then a paperback might have been 10, $12 and maybe even less. So that was a pretty good chance that people that saw that ad would send them in and the world would Come around, send them in, you know, so I guess they, they got, they got most of them.

Now I, I have one here because I was relying on this book and not being able to get one. It took me over two years of really hardly hard trying to find one. And finally I found this one. It’s a hardcover and I found it on Biblio and I had to pay $300 for it, but I needed it because I needed to be able to show something and say, well, if you, if you could find the book, this is what you would have found. You know, this way. It’s here. And everything that I say is in it, is in it.

All of the evidence. And not only that, there’s a statement of policy in here that is, was written for all the people in the CIA to read at some point that why, on a need to know basis, that why they did it, why they had to do it. And in that, in that report, there is a reference to the fact that the French President De Gaulle came to the funeral of Kennedy. And he had a meeting after the funeral with the Director and with Angleton. And he told them, and they were very surprised. He told them that his intelligence people told him that there were French Corsicans involved in the case and that he also told them that after the war, whenever the French, whenever the French wanted to give back, he wanted to give back Algiers to the Algerians.

And there was a large group of people that didn’t want that to happen. And they tried to assassinate him several times. Wow. And one of the times they had help from our CIA, and so he confronted them with that. And so I think they got a little bit of an awakening that some of these other intelligence agencies are not stupid. And that meant that he knew that it was them behind it. So that was like the next day or two after the funeral. So can you imagine that knowing that the head of another country now knows that the CIA was behind the killing of, of the President? So, I mean, it’s just amazing.

Just. It is. Yep. And so there are, we have all these, all these group. Well, not all these groups, but these, you know, in the zipper file, they have, you know, like you talked about the CIA, Defense, Defense Department, all these State Department, all these different, you would think that are out for the American people and protecting the President. They’re actually these special people within these groups. Right side, he’s going to be assassined, he’s going to be killed and assassinated. And so you have all these different assassins, all these teams come in. And I was like, it was like.

I guess they tried to. They’d even try to do it. I. James F. I think I said. Talked about how there was. There was a scheduled one for Chicago, but it didn’t work out, so they planned it for Dallas. Yeah. Angleton wanted to blow up a. His boat. Their boat, and they stopped him from allowing that to happen because the children would have been on the boat and wife would have been on the boat up in Hyannis Port. You know, he said, we’ll just blow the boat up, you know, which is how they killed. How the CIA killed that British general.

Right. Part of the family. And, you know, the ira, they said did it, but it was. It was actually the CIA that did it. I forget. I didn’t know that. It’s good, huh? I mean, the IRA helped them, but, I mean. Yeah. But anyway. Yeah. I mean, it. It’s just. Yeah. I. I think that that’s how they took out JFK Jr. You know, they. Well, there’s. Or someone like him. Yeah. I just look at my notes for a minute. Lord. Lord Mountbatten. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy. Now, the. Another thing about the CIA that probably people don’t know is that in 1947, Dulles and his brother came up with the concept of a.

A law put up one into effect. And they went to Truman, and the name of that law was. They made a movie of it. Yeah, but there was that law. Come to me in a minute, I guess. But anyway, and they convinced him that, you know, in the day from after the war, that the world has changed so much that you’re gonna have to. From time to time, have to kill people. And they said that otherwise, you know, the one brother, John Foster Dulles, he said, you know, the dot. He was the one that come up with the Domino theory.

You know, if you let Vietnam turn communist, then Laos will turn communists, and then, you know, all the way down, so Asia will be all communist. And. And so they. They try to convince. They did convince Truman that in this day and age, we have to be able to kill people. There are people that need killing. And they killed Patrice Lumumba. They killed Allende. I. I have never put a list together, but sure. And these are all written in stone. I mean, this isn’t. I didn’t get this in a dream, you know. And so anyway, the.

Truman agreed to it because it was called executive action. It’s executive action. Means we got to kill people. And then he came back later and he said, well, what we need to do is blame it on somebody else or, you know, not think people think it’s us. And so he came up with plausible deniability. And Truman said, no, no, absolutely not. So he went to the Washington Post and he said the Truman had, had proved it. And they put it in the paper about plausible deniability. And Truman went nuts. And he, he wrote a thing for the paper.

I don’t have a copy of that, but I should. And you know, cast. Castigated him for, for a lion about the whole thing. But, you know, that started a sort of a. Might have been the birth of the underbody, which is now the deep state it sucked in. You know, George Bush. George Bush was a member of the CIA the day he stepped out out of Yale. Yeah, I mean, he, he, he was in Dallas that day. He was. And you know, there I, I believe there were five presidents, five of our presidents who knew about the assassination.

We start with lbj. Okay. Yeah. And, and we’ll, we know that Nixon knew about it because Nixon was at the big party that they had the night before the assassination at Kurt. At Clint Merchants House. Now, he owned 500 companies and was an oil gazillionaire in Texas. And he put up the $400,000 for the team that was representing business interests. That was interesting how you brought that up in the book. I never had any, I never had any idea about that. But these guys stood to gain a lot from the assassination. So that’s very interesting. Yeah.

And he, he. Forget where I was. Yeah, we’re talking about the oil guys. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, he was, he, he, he was one of them. He was at that party. And that party had a number of people at the party. It was a large party and it was being thrown for J. Edgar Hoover and J. Edgar Hoover. I don’t know what the event was, but he came in with his assistant, Clyde Tulsa, and they, but at about 11 o’ clock when it was getting ready to sort of break up, Johnson came in. And when Johnson came in, the men excused himself from the party and they went into his study, which was huge, and there could have been 20, 22 people in there.

And they, they talked about the assassination and whatnot. And Nixon was in that room. And so he knew about it. And then H.W. bush was part of it. So he knew about it. And on the day of the assassination, it must have been CIA, take your child to work with your book, because there’s a picture of W. Bush in Daley Plaza that day, quizzically looking for his father who had been picked up and taken to an office and told everybody he was a CIA agent. Then he walked out. But, and then he’s the only man in America was alive at the time who doesn’t know where he was when that Kennedy was killed.

He told that lie for years. I really don’t remember what I, where I was doing anyway, so. And the last one I believe is Gerald Ford, because Gerald Ford was put on the commission and he was a little known congressman at the time and he was so close to J. Edgar Hoover that every night that anything of substance was discussed in the, in the born commission hearings, he would call J. Edgar Hoover and tell him what happened, what went on and what they might be careful of or watch for, things like that, you know, and so that would indicate to me he more than likely knew about it.

So that’s five presidents who knew about it. Wow. And, and never said anything about it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And, and two of the people that were on a commission wanted to get off the commission, didn’t ever want to be on it anyway. But two of them made a deal that in the commission they would say that every, they agree with everything except the single bullet issue. And that was the Kentucky senator and the Georgian senator. Those two guys said, we won’t say, we won’t say that. And so they said, they told him, well, we’re Dulles, we’re going to straighten that out.

But he never did. And they were very, very upset about that. And then it was another guy that was killed in an airplane crash that they thought might be gonna start talking about what, how he felt about it. So I mean, you know, it didn’t go easy for them either. But there were so many threads that they didn’t see coming that that’s why I call them the gang. Couldn’t think straight. But now, now another thing that you, you, you’ve shared. The captain of the Old guard died mysteriously. So this is actually leading up to the assassination.

So we have all these people talking just before the assassination in Dallas and. Right. And then this, this poor captain, unfortunately, Old guard. And the old Guard, if anyone doesn’t know, they’re the guys that basically do like that. Pursuit decision 21 gun salutes. They’re like crisp. Everything is perfect. These guys train hard. The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. They march. They’re like, they’re, they’re the most professional professionals as far as like military discipline and order. And so tell us about this crazy story about the old guard. Okay. Oh my God. Well, first I will tell you people that the, the guard, the head of the guard is chosen by the President.

He has, they bring several people to him and he chooses which of those that he would like to be the head of the guard, captain of the guard. And he chose this gentleman. And I never knew that. That’s very interesting. Yeah, he chose this gentleman. And, and they say one of the reasons, and this could be a story I don’t have, I couldn’t swear to this. They said that they were saying to him, to these people, would you, you have any problem saluting the President? And of course they all said, whoever they were, they said, no, no, or why would I.

And he said, yeah, I would. And they said, well, why is that? He says, because there’s no African Americans in the Guard. And so they must have told Kennedy that. So when Kennedy was talking to him, he must have brought it up again. And then there were immediately, wow, African Americans in the guard. And he, he led the guard and they take care of everything from the caissons to the horses to, you know, everything that has to do with the ceremonial stuff, like you said. And however, on the day of the assassination, of course, he was back at Fort Meyer and after the one o’ clock announcement that Kennedy had been killed, he was contacted by who, we don’t know, to get ready to accept the body at Bethesda Hospital.

And it could be as early as 4:00 clock. And we’re not sure exactly whether it’ll be on a plane or by helicopter or maybe it’ll come in an ambulance from an airfield, you know. And so he was, he went over there immediately and the naval people, first class chiefs and people that worked around the morgue area of the, of the hospital were told that this, this army captain is in charge. So you’ll take your orders from him and you do everything that he says. He’s in complete, in charge. So he probably was already conflicted because he had been told about three days before this that he would start to practice for a presidential funeral.

Wow. They later said, you know, they can, they’ve got great minds working for them to cover it up. That somebody came up and said, well, you know, Herbert Hoover was still alive at the time. And so then they said, well, that was because Herbert Hoover was, they thought was close to death. Well, he lived another year, so he wasn’t that close to death. And but anyway, so that’s what they told him and that’s what was in his mind whenever the assassination happened. Okay. So then to make it even More intricate was that if you remember, well, you were probably too young to, to remember, but people that were alive and even some children, everybody was watching tv, remember that.

What you saw was the Secret Service carrying the casket up to the back of the plane and even breaking off some of the handles to get the casket in back there at a tear outs a couple of rows of seats and get it in there. And then, then you saw inside the plane people gathering to this for the swearing in of lbj and you. That was all on film. And then there was no film, of course, while the plane was in the air. And the, when the plane landed at Andrews Air Force Base in the back, in the front of the plane somehow, or maybe it was the back, I’m not sure.

There was a, it was an elevator. Why they didn’t take the casket in, in on the elevator, I wondered. But they brought it out on an elevator and it came down and with it the Secret Service were on the elevator. And I think Jackie and Robert, who had been in the plane once it landed with Jackie, got off of it along with his admiral, who was his personal physician, Jack’s personal physician. And I don’t know why he probably couldn’t use one at that point. But anyway, they got into a gray naval ambulance with the coffin. That coffin proceeded over to Bethesda Hospital.

It arrived at 8 o’. Clock. 8 o’ clock they got out, the three of them got out. There were some dignitaries and military and civilian there who then went with them. And they went up on the elevator to an area that was like a waiting room area. And the, the ambulance. What the press saw and we’re filming was the ambulance pulling out, going around to the back of the hospital and pulling in to a parking space as close to the, the door of the morgue as possible, right next to a very similar gray naval ambulance which was sitting next to it.

Now they had prepared to have some corpsmen take the casket out and bring it into the morgue. However, when they did that, suits and probably Secret Service and CIA were the suits and they stopped the guys and they said just put the casket down here outside the door. And then they took it inside on a gurney and they moved it in and into an area where it, it’s kept a little cold in there because that’s where they have the, the refrigerators that they put the bodies in. So anyway, and that was at about, according to the pathologist named Jim Jenkins, I think, who has been on TV with one of the people.

Ben David. Yeah, Ben David and He, he admits that he was there. And the coffin that the, that they brought in wasn’t the coffin that you saw on the plane that coffee. The coffin that they brought in was a typical coffin transporting a, a person who was killed in combat and put in a body bag and in one of those and sent over. And they moved that. He moved that, opened it up, took the body out along with I think, a guy named Dennis David. But anyway, and so they, the, the body was wrapped in sheets and they put it on a gurney and they put the gurney there and it sat there from about, I think he said, 6:30 to 7:00 clock it’s out there.

And then they moved it somewhere. And now what this guy, this captain of the guard is seeing is that the body’s there and he doesn’t know probably what’s going on, where the plane landed and that body is not there to wait a clock. So obviously there wasn’t, there wasn’t anybody in the coffin that you saw on being transferred into the, into the back of the airplane and down on the thing and into the, There wasn’t anybody in the coffin. What really happened was, and this is conjecture, but that either Air Force Two was used and immediately upon the death of Kennedy, somebody was searching for John Liggett.

Now, John Leggett was the best mortician in Texas, maybe one of the best in the country. He had worked for the CIA before on cases that needed to have some handling done. And he was whisked away from a funeral and he was on the plane with the body. My best guess, it wasn’t Air Force Two. They would have a lot more room to work on the large jet that takes the, all the other vehicles, the limousine and the Secret Service vehicles, because what normally happens is whenever Air Force One takes off, those, those vehicles are still at the airplane.

They ride around and get in that large plane. That plane takes off and lands way ahead of Air Force One, wherever it’s going. They then unload all those things and they have them waiting so that when a plane pulls up, he gets out of the plane and gets in the limo. Right? That’s what works. Yep. So I, I think that it’s just common sense that John Leggett worked on the body filling the hole in the back of the head with somebody else’s. You know, he probably had, they probably had another body to use parts of. And so do you think that this captain somehow got.

Well, he knew that. He knew the time difference. Yeah. So he knew they’re lying. They’re Lying. The body was there way before they were there, so there was no body, you know, coming on that plane. And that coupled with the fact he was supposed to three days beforehand, practice for the funeral. Yep. I think he drew the conclusion something’s wrong here. And he might have said that to somebody. Whatever. Yeah. And he was. He wasn’t wise like you and just kept that to himself for a little while. And then. Yeah, but, you know, I’ve. I’ve. I’ve seen all this stuff too.

I. I was, you know, part of details where we. I moved Ambassador Bremer and Iraq and stuff. So. Yeah, you’re right. Everything. You have an advanced detail, and then you have the, you know, the. The detail that’s around the president or. So I think we. We know that the detail that was around a president was corrupt. Obviously. I. I looked at that and I was like, yep, those guys. That’s not the way that works. The first shot. And that that limo would have been so fast out of there. And you. Yep, they were corrupt, bad. So that.

That coupled with the fact that his mother. His father. Mother and father, he may have had some conversations with them in the time between the assassination and his death because, uh, his father, uh, was a, uh, executive with the Ford Motor Company. And whenever they wouldn’t listen or investigate any of what his family was trying to tell them, he got very upset and started drinking very heavily. Sometimes he went to work, and sometimes he didn’t go to work, but he got paid. No matter whether he went to work or he didn’t get work, his check came.

And the other thing that happened was he was entitled to a new car every year. And so what he would do when he ordered the car, he would pick the most outlandish things that were possible. On one, it said that he had a roof that was covered with zebra. Zebra skin or something. The whole roof of the car was zebra skin, and it was pink. And I had, you know, lights on it that were like, from a fire truck and, you know, all this craziness. And he would park that car in front of his house to upset his neighbors because they all turned against him with his conspiracy theories.

And so he was upsetting the neighbors with that car every year. And. But he. He drove back and forth to work in a Mercedes Benz every day. So. And then they. He had a sister. Mr. Captain Groves had a sister, and the sister knew all about these things, and she was very, very talkative and trying to get press and doing all these kinds of things, and she was visited By a couple of suits. Suits told her, if you don’t stop this, we’re going to take your children from you. Wow. And so. And by the way, she died a couple years later at 33.

Oh, that number. Wow, that’s so hard. You know. And the captain himself had a physical within six months. Never had it. Had no problems. In top physical condition. Oh, yeah. Never had no problems or wasn’t sickly in any way. And so, you know, you don’t just. But we do know that two things that they worked very hard on was the ability for a quick death to be a heart attack that was very hard to trace. And that heart attack may have been used in some other deaths that, that I’m. I’m on that will make world news.

And, and also some kind of snake venom. Yeah. And the other thing is that the dirty division, huh? The dirty tricks division. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other thing was, was that in Operation Mongoose, which was hiring the mob to kill Castro. Right. One of the idiotic attempts, you know, cigars that blow up and, and you know, I mean, there’s nobody in the world who ever lived through more idiotic attempts to, to kill them than Castro. Right. But anyway, now that captain, if I remember correctly, he was after all this stuff and I, I remember the, the funeral because my, my family kept it all quiet.

You know, they didn’t, they didn’t want the kids to be exposed to it. I was three. I’m same age as John John. But they did let me watch the funerals procession. And I remember John John doing that salute. And that’s stuck out of my mind. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a heart wrenching. Yeah. Heart wrenching. Yeah. For the, for the whole nation. God. Yeah. They killed our president right in front of us in the most horrific way. Yeah. It’s crazy. And we’re still figuring it out, thanks to you. Well, we’re getting even more. It’s really funny because, you know, I’m not.

I’m probably. I guess a lot of people know me would say I was a shy person and I probably am. I. I’m blessed to have a wife that is. You know, we go to a party. By the time the party’s over, she knows everybody in the room, you know, or sometimes she’ll just start talking to somebody at the next table and next. Yeah, we’re the same. We’re the same. I’m an introvert and my wife is extrovert too. Yeah. That’s funny. So anyway, I’ve been lucky you know, in my life. But I, I see myself as like everybody’s next door neighbor, that’s all.

And I didn’t even know, for example, that went these, My daughter’s a lawyer. And when I told her that we were starting to try to sell the book, to get it out by doing these, uh, views on YouTube. YouTube, right. And then afterwards I said, you know, it’s, it seems to be picking up. I mean, there’s a lot of people who watch that stuff. And she says, dad, there’s millions of people that watch that every day even. She says, you know, they, they’ll pay you for that sometime. And I said, oh, come on. I didn’t even know anything about, you know, when it comes to computers and things.

I just gave up. You know, I’m not gonna, I’m a little too late to try to learn that now. But so I, I just see myself as a very regular guy who just had a lot of time on his hands and spent it. And what I consider to be a very interesting situation where worldwide, it, it affects every, it affects the whole world. Yeah, fantastic. But I would be, it would be a great thing to go to my grave knowing that I was at least part of the awakening that caused a, another investigation that came to the con.

The correct conclusions. So that’s, that’s why I do it. I, I don’t know if we’re going to get that investigation. I think we’re the truth tellers now and we’re the ones that are really getting it out there. So this is the, the great platform of doing that now. Yeah. And it’s amazing they’re allowing us to do it because I was censored on YouTube for a long time. So something has shifted. You have come out with your book at the perfect time. Patriotism Unhinged. So that’s probably gonna do. Well, my books, when they came out, because I talk about, in my first book, I talk about the CIA because I was in the CIA.

Yeah. I think any problem, I, I, I know I’ve done toxic secret stuff, been part of that stuff for a long time. I know it’s shareable and what’s not, but there’s some hinky stuff that happened once I released that book and it’s been suppressed quite a bit. So I think we passed that somehow now thanks to President Trump and probably some other actions that are happening. But yeah, we, you, I and other people are the ones are really bringing this out. And I know that you and Jim files. Yep. You’re, I just want to break this real quick because I have to jump off for another show, but you are going to interview Jim Files.

Oh, my God. That’s going to be absolutely amazing. And you’re gonna pull that until he passes, because he’s unfortunately close to passing. And then. So he’s going to tell you some insights that. Oh, bubba, that’s going to be amazing. I think he. He got in touch with me by way of somebody that he knew. Right. And they called. Well, so we’re gonna have a meeting actually Thursday. Go get. Fantastic. Fantastic. And if possible, maybe all of us can do a round table here on YouTube and share, like, a little taste of that for at some point.

When that comes out, we kind of talk about that. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Well. Well, Jim, I want to thank you immensely for the invitation, and I want to thank you immensely. God, it’s just incredible information. I’m sure we could probably do about 10 shows and still scratch the surface. Hopefully in the future we’ll do some more, but we’ll. We’ll get your information out to other people and we’ll keep. Keep this show, keep this going, because American people want this information. You. You’re a master at it. So I. I really thank you so much for, you know, the work you’re doing.

Thank you. Absolutely. All right, everybody, thanks so much for joining us today, and we’ll see you guys next time. Bye. Bye. That was.
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