Its Big Big Money Trafficking People is Intertwined in Business Politics w/ Natly Denise

➡ The text discusses a shocking encounter with a potentially trafficked child in a bar, the benefits of a new product called Sloop that mimics exercise, and an interview with Natalie Denise who has been working with victims of human trafficking since 2012. The text also mentions the connection between abortion clinics and human trafficking, and the author’s journey of learning about these issues through a ministry called Elijah Rising.
➡ The text discusses the efforts of a team in Houston, Texas, to help sex workers and victims of human trafficking. The team, known as the cantina outreach team, would visit areas known for prostitution and trafficking, including a street called the Track and various cantinas (bars), to offer support and help to those who wanted to escape their situations. The team faced dangers such as the presence of cartels and the belief in Santa Muerte, a deity worshipped by some involved in trafficking. The author’s motivation to continue this work was fueled by witnessing a young girl being trafficked and the inability to locate her afterwards.
➡ The text discusses the harsh reality of sex trafficking, where victims often have a shortened lifespan due to factors like violence, disease, and drug overdose. Trafficked individuals, including children, are often treated as commodities and face severe health issues due to lack of medical care and harsh conditions. The text also highlights the issue of trafficking across borders, where victims are easily disposable due to lack of identification. Lastly, it discusses the huge profits made from this illicit industry, suggesting that it’s a major problem that needs addressing.
➡ When Biden took office, he cancelled executive orders aimed at protecting victims of human trafficking. This led to the dismantling of task forces and the halting of investigations into traffickers. The speaker, a Latina of Mexican heritage, criticizes the administration’s decision to cancel background checks for caretakers at centers for unaccompanied minors. She also expresses concern about the increase in children crossing the border with fake families, and the negative impact of riots and protests on the perception of the Latino community.
➡ The article discusses concerns about human trafficking organizations and a weight loss peptide. It suggests that some charity organizations may be fronts for human trafficking, and highlights a peptide called Retrutide that helps reduce appetite and burn fat. The article also mentions a watchdog organization called Counter Trafficking Alliance, which investigates issues like long hold times and conflicts of interest with the National Human Trafficking Hotline. Lastly, it discusses the financial expenditures of these organizations, suggesting that the money might not be used appropriately.
➡ The Polaris Project, a non-profit organization aimed at helping human trafficking victims, is under scrutiny for unclear use of funds and resources. Despite claiming that 84 cents of every dollar goes towards charity, there’s no clear evidence of this. The organization also operates a global directory of human trafficking resources, but it’s not exhaustive or up-to-date. The speaker suggests that more resources and housing are needed for survivors, and encourages people to volunteer their time to help combat human trafficking.

SA Sam scantily dressed child that I saw. And I was in shock when I first saw. I was like, I, you know, I had to pinch myself. I had to look at my, my phone. Okay, it’s like, what, it’s, it’s midnight. So what does that mean? And we’re in a bar and you have to be 21 and over to get in a bar. And. And there’s a child over there, she looks about 11 or 12, and she’s in a tube top and a short skirt with a little purse. I was like, oh my God, they’re trafficking that girl.

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And I bless her heart. Because I know I did it for about five years. I really dove into it and covered it and it is soul wrenching. I cover it here and there. Right. I do shows like this and I talk to people, but not like I did before. And it was incredibly difficult to do it. And so these, those people who dedicate their lives to this profession are amazing people. And the people who do it for real. And she’s one of those that does it for real. I’m going to talk about what, how she got into it and some of the stories about the cantinas, which are also called juice bars, depending on what part of the country, and talks about what’s happening over the border and the reality on the ground with this.

You know, the, the truth on the ground is different than what you hear sometimes in the, the media or, you know, in movies and things. And so you get, you get a better idea of what it’s like and you know, why she lays a whole scene out on why it so hard to get our arms around human trafficking because there’s so much money into it. So we’re gonna, we’re going to discuss the reality of the money. Okay. Before we get into this, I want to tell you, if you are watching this on Rumble, where this airs first, or any of my other platforms or audio Apple iheart a Podbean is a great one.

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Because, you know, if you’re listening to it on Apple or wherever, listening, it really helps to get more reviews. Okay, thank you so much. And let’s get into this really good conversation I have with Natalie Denise. Hi, Natalie. Welcome to the program. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. Well, you’re a veteran in this area. We. I’m really impressed with the fact that you’ve stuck with this human trafficking for so long and you’re just, it’s a calling. It Sounds like. Can you tell people what your background is before we get into this incredible information that people are going to hear today? Sure.

So my journey began about 2012, where I was just doing some soul searching and looking for purpose, and purpose actually found me. I had. I was actually a makeup artist back then, and, you know, I was called on set to this, like, theatrical, like, they were calling for theatric type of makeup. And I was like, okay, sure, whatever. You need a hand out, I’ll be there. And so my friend and fellow makeup artist, she needed a hand on set, and she. The instructions were to make the models look domestically beaten. And I was like, whoa, okay, that’s weird.

You know, that’s a. That’s a strange request. And so being that I did have that skill set, I. I went ahead and I. Yeah, because, you know, applied the makeup. Yeah. I didn’t know. And I was like, so what is this for? I mean, this is my friend. So I didn’t really ask her, but I was like, what is this for? And she was like, you know, this is. This is about human trafficking. We’re doing an awareness campaign. And I was like, oh, okay. What. What is human trafficking? This is 2012, where, you know, not a lot of people knew.

Yeah, yeah. In fact, I don’t think many people talked about it, especially the media, of course. And so did the makeup. And they were like, you know, that this is what human trafficking is. Because I. I was very curious, and they explained it to me. It happened to be that this group of girls were actually from Lakewood, Houston, the big mega church, and they were doing a human trafficking awareness campaign. So that’s where I. What it was. From there, I was just. I was cur. Like I said, I was just searching for purpose. And I. I just dove in.

I was like, okay, I want to know more. I want to know what I can do. And so 2012. 2013. Well, 2012, I started a. I joined a ministry called Elijah Rising in Houston. And they are. I mean, they’re incredible, the things that they do. They do van tours. So they’ll take you in a van indiscriminately around Hous Houston, and they will show you the most affected parts of. Of Houston of human trafficking, whether it is illicit massage parlors, cantinas. You know, they’ll show you abortion clinics that are right down the road and, you know, various.

Various houses that abortion clinics are like a Planned Parenthood type of abortion. Was it Plan whatever is down the road from them so they can make sure that Their human trafficking, sex trafficking victims are constantly ready. And they. So do the abortion clinics know that these are human trafficking victims and they’re just helping them out 100%? They do. I mean, I say. When. I say 99.999%, I’m sure that they do. They are. Or at that time, it was very apparent that the abortion doctors were in business with the brothel owners or the pimps and the traffickers.

And yeah, that was just like an easy avenue for money for them, was, you know, sex trafficking equals sometimes baby. Baby can’t, you know, exist. So we gotta do something with the baby. So unfortunately, and very sadly, I do believe that they were in business with the traffickers. God, those girls that. And I suppose it’s boys too, right? They’re just how awful. And okay, so you started learning all this, and then what happened? How did you get. Yeah, so the same ministry, Elijah Rising. I went on a van tour. We saw a lot of the affected parts of Houston.

And then it was the, you know, being. Being the volunteer aspect of. Of my. My journey. So I, I joined and I went out on an outreach. And they do a lot of street outreaches. So especially at the time, 2012, 2013, they would do things like there’s a part of Houston called the Track. It’s a street in Houston called Bissonnet, and that is known as the Track. And that is very much known for a lot of prostitution trafficking. And, you know, they would do a lot of street outreaches where a lot of the prayer team would go out, they would pray with the sex workers, and hopefully finesse the trauma bond.

So that way, at one point they were comfortable enough if they wanted to leave, they would be able to ask for help. And that was the goal. But so that, that was one of the main purposes. I actually joined a specific team called the cantina outreach team. And this was a bilingual speaking team that would go out to the ship channel of Houston. And what a lot of people don’t know is cantinas actually exists everywhere. And, you know, we can get into that a little later, but they exist everywhere because, you know, Detective Ross, I always called them juice bun bars.

And he said they’re in every single city and major city in the country. And those were geared for underage kids and things. Is there a difference? I. I don’t believe so. I. I know in Texas, they’re heavily known as cantinas. Arizona, I, I believe they’re still known as containers, but it could be a. Just a slang or lingo that is Industry specific, maybe, or I mean, part of the country specific or whatever. Yeah, okay, Right, right, right, Exactly. Yep. Demographically specific. So. So I joined this team called the cantina outreach team. And what we would do would be the same thing.

We would go into. Instead of the streets, we would actually go into the cantinas, which, by the way, was very dangerous back then because they were still. I mean, they’re still, to this day, run by cartel. And so we would go into these cantinas and, you know, talk to the. The ladies in Spanish. We would pray with them, hopefully gain their trust to finesse their trauma bond, gain that trust in case that they did wanted to exit the life. And so that’s what we would do. A lot of these places, like I said, were cartel run.

And the spiritual aspect to that. A lot of these places had the Santa Muerte, you know, altars. So that was another dark aspect of. They had a satanic altar inside these places, right? Yeah, The Santa Muerte, Yeah. A lot of the cartels, a lot of the Santa Muerte people. Yes, it is. To someone from. From a Christian perspective, Yes. I. I look at this as a satanic altar. To them, it’s like a very neutral deity that they can pray to about anything, whether it is a cocaine delivery. I want you to bless my cocaine delivery. So it’s a neutral deity that they can ask for.

Not good things, not bad things, but all things. So that’s why a lot of these cartel, cartel individuals, they believe in Santa Muerte, because if you are transporting girls and ladies from place to place, they can ask Santa Muerte to bless that and make it successful. Did they believe in human sacrifice with that deity, or is that not a thing? I actually did. I actually did some investigative work on that. And a lot of the. A lot of the avid believers say that there’s not sacrifice. However, there is plenty of. There are plenty of examples that would say otherwise.

There are examples in Mexico where there are both children and adults that have been sacrificed or, you know, blood let, at the very least. There were stash houses I believe in, in Houston, if not in Texas, that actually had blood splatters on the Santa Muerte altar. So I would say, yes, in my personal opinion, that there are sacrifices to that deity. But like I said, it is a neutral belief. And so anything really goes so. Which allows for that. Wow, okay, interesting. So what. When you would go into this, that. That’s got you sucked in. Right.

Your heart started to. I mean, somebody who is. I. I Covered human trafficking for about five years. And I talked to victims, I wrote articles. I did. It tore my heart out. Like, it was really hard because when I would do interviews, I’m. I’m kind of empathetic. I, you know, I. I connect. And when I connected to a victim, it was like I was feeling it. It was. It was really, really, really hard for me. And so when I see someone like you who dedicated it to it for real, because there’s so many charity fronts that are bs and we can talk about that.

Right. I’m just so impressed with. It’s a calling beyond. You have a calling that’s not normal. And. And that’s why I think it’s incredible. Thank you. Yeah. And this was a perfect pivot because, you know what kept me fueled was one night when we were out at a cantina. And again, we would go into the cantina and act normal, like a normal patron. We would go in, I would order a beer, and I would talk to the bartender or I would talk to the sex workers that were around. And, you know, there was one night where we entered a cantina.

And I be like, I just. My eyes just went straight to the back. It was shaped just like a box, like a shoebox. I remember it like it was yesterday. There were black and white checkered tiles, very cheap tables and chairs. And I saw in the back where there were just wooden benches, and there were a bunch of scantily clad dressed women. But there was one scantily dressed child that I saw. And I was in shock when I first saw. I was like, I, you know, I had to pinch myself. I had to look at my.

My phone. Okay, it’s like, what? It’s. It’s midnight. So what does that mean? And we’re in a bar, and you have to be 21 and over to get in a bar. And there’s a child over there. She looks about 11 or 12, and she’s in a tube top and a short skirt with a little purse. I was like, oh, my God, they’re trafficking that girl. So I saw that with my own eyes. And so I was like, okay, there. There it is. Like, that’s a girl. I reported back to my street team. So some of us, you know, were around the area and they instructed me to call the police, in which I filed a police report.

Now they fast forward a few days after. The detective on the case, he was interested or he wanted to clarify the details. So he called me, I think like the day after. So I clarified some details. Yes, she was in the back. Yes, she was at this cantina. And he was like, okay, so I believe as a follow up, he called me a few days later and he just informed me that they would not, they were not able to locate the girl. And that scarred me. I was like, what do you mean you can’t locate a little girl in the city of Houston? Like, what do you mean? We can’t, we can’t, we will never know what happened to her.

And so that mystery just, it just, it scarred me because it’s like. Yep, yes, yes. Because she’s, she’s either out there or in the dirt, you know, or, or whatever happened to her and we’ll never know. And that’s, that’s the, the first taste of, you know, human exploit child exploitation through the lens of trafficking across the board there. Because. Right, but at that time, so you were like, why? I didn’t even know my political. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I know. I didn’t even know my political affiliation at the time. Yeah, I mean, why wouldn’t everybody care about this? This is awful.

We gotta take care of it. Right? I mean, that’s how you start into it when you really start looking. Right, Exactly. Yeah. And so that mystery, just like you said, it haunted me and that’s what kept me going a lot further, was to just keep researching, keep finding out, you know, what it was about. Human trafficking that couldn’t be stopped. And even today it’s, it’s still a very convoluted mess. I just got back from a human trafficking data conference just the other day and all of the genius minds in the room and still this is like the biggest problem and everybody’s just trying to find different directional solutions to solve it, which is encouraging because there, there is, you know, an effort out there, a huge effort.

But yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s basically my start to, you know, getting into the anti trafficking world. Well, and then you started to realize that the powers that be, there’s too many powers that be and the cartels are in bed with them and drug trafficking and human trafficking go hand in hand. Right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. If, if anything, human trafficking is a lot more profitable for traffickers and pimps because it’s a product that can be reused over and over and over again versus a finality to one product which will be sold and that’s it. You know, and unfortunately, that is what also causes a shortened lifespan for a sex trafficked victim.

They, they, on average, if they remain in the life they only live up to like seven to 10 years from, from where they started. If it’s not like a, if it’s not like a relationship where the, the girl is easily submitted into the life and she’s just complying and complying because there, there are levels to pimping out there. There are gorilla pimps that are very violent. And so, you know, looping back around to the trafficking, the trafficking over the border issue. The, the issue is that these women and girls and boys, you know, or anybody have all genders.

They don’t have an identification on them, they don’t have a Social Security and they don’t have id. So they’re just easily disposable into our, our nation, unfortunately. So, so you say seven to ten years, you say. And why is that? Because of all sorts of drug overdose, murder. Because the gorilla pimps are just angry and they kill them because they didn’t perform or what? That’s one, that’s one aspect. But disease. Oh, disease is a huge factor. Yeah. A lot of these, these victims, they, they don’t go to the doctor and they might have an STI that just ferments into their body, in their body and it just never gets taken care of and then it turns into something else.

But disease, yes, of course, gorilla pimping and murder, that’s also part of their final, their, you know, fatal, fatal end, as we can say. But yeah, there are various factors to why their lifespan. My understanding is that children live less, even shorter than the older traffic victims. Yeah, and that makes sense because, you know, again, these, these children are not being brought to a pediatrician. They’ they might even be malnourished and they’re subjected to harsh conditions in the trafficking world that their little bodies just can’t handle. And I know that that’s graphic, but that’s the reality of child trafficking.

You know, children are looked at as commodities and products and livestock. And so, you know, if it comes to a point where they’re being used as a sex trafficking commodity and it comes to a point where they’re so sick and they, they can’t continue. Well, what’s the next best thing that a sick, dark, satanic, sadistic individual can do? But they still have a product on their hand, so they can either use them as a snuff video or they can harvest their organs. If the organs are harvestable. Right. Unfortunately, again, I know that this is like the darkest thing to discuss, but that, that’s, that’s the reality of a child trafficking victim and their, their short lifespan, a Quick break.

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We have more money, so there’s more maybe ability to do this. But it’s really big in the Asian countries. I know for a fact it’s really big in the Eastern bloc. So I mean, it’s big everywhere. So but how about in this country? How, how prevalent is it? So I can, I can give you a, a bit of an illustration of how, how, how big this, this problem is. And this is just going to be, this is going to cover one industry. So you’re going to be, but you’re going to be able to illustrate how, how fractional one industry is to the biggest problem.

So let’s say, and you know, if you want to follow along, you can. But let’s say there’s 350 active illicit massage businesses which by the way also do include not just adults, but you know, some, some children are actually implicated in these businesses. So let’s say thousand, huh? Okay, just 350, let’s just say in a county, let’s just say countywide. So let’s say there’s 350 active illicit massage businesses and there’s four women per each one of those. That makes 1,400 sex slaves working any given day. And let’s just say this is in Harris County. I’m just going to use this as, as an example in Houston, that 1,400 women, they.

Let’s say that they attend 10 John, 10 Johns and a John for a day. Let’s just say that. Let’s just say that. Oh, for those that don’t know what a John is, that’s actually a client who buys by sex just in case nobody knows what that is. So let’s say that’s 1400 women to 10 Johns per day. That makes 14,000 John visits per day in Harris County. So let’s say the base door fee is 80 to $140, right? On average. Let’s just say 120. Let’s take that $14,000. I mean, I’m sorry, that 14,000 figure of John’s times $120, that’s $1,680,000 in a door fee.

Profits in one day in Harris county just to gain access to a woman. That’s not, that’s not the, the additional fee depending on the girl or woman for sale. Okay. So that price is actually negotiated on top of the door fee. So that’s. And, and the door fee, just so you guys know, the door fee is, it’s initiated to secure the imp. The illicit massage parlor business or the cantina, whatever front is. Because they don’t want just any don going in. They want to know that, you know, this can be contained. All right, so continued on, let’s say 365 days in a year, times that $1,680,000 door fee.

That’s $613,200,000 just in door fees for one year. So that’s not. And, and this is, this is why this, I love this example. Do you think 350 massage parlors in that county is pretty good number. And no, I think there’s more. I think that’s. I think that’s. That’s fractional. That’s. That’s just chump change. Wow. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So we’re talking about 600 in this, in this hypothetical example, which is, by the way, this is, again, this is just a very fractional example. I believe that this is a lot more. So let’s just say for this Hypothetical number of $613 million just in dwarfies made in a year, that’s not the actual sex fee.

That’s not street prostitution, that’s not cantina brothels, that’s not forced porn, that’s not truck stops, that’s not labor trafficking, that’s not organ harvesting, and that’s not snuff videos. This is just an example that illustrates the problem. And there’s that much demand for it that they need it that much. That means people are out there. They feel they need it this much. Right? Yes, yes. And so you know that. And if we, if we transform those numbers. Well, actually, let’s take it a step back. HPD Trafficking Task Force, approximately what’s their budget like? Let’s just say that it’s a million dollars or $2 million a year.

So you’re taking a $2 million budget for the human trafficking task force up against a $613 million business in just the IMP business for that one county. So, okay, so there’s so much money in it and. Right. The politicians. Now let’s get back to. Let’s. We. You just established what we’re dealing with and. Right. And then we get the Biden administration ignoring how many thousands and thousands of tips. And this is why they ignored it. They’re tied into the money. That’s. This is. There’s, there’s a big money incentive here. There is a humongous money incentive. And of course, there’s nothing that I can say, you know, 100 for sure.

But, you know, one would think, yes, because this is such a big industry that profits. I mean, we just named one county in a hypothetical example for one illicit industry, you know, business in the human trafficking world. You know, can you imagine if that’s just. If that’s just base minimum what they could do with kids or what they could do with. With women that cross the border. You know, that’s. It’s, It’s a big money maker. It is. It is. It’s just about money. So what. And, and demand. If there wasn’t the demand for it, they wouldn’t be doing this.

So people need to. I mean, it’s just incredible. So you have been talking about the fact that there were. And I remember at the time that. That Trump took office or that Trump left office and Biden took office, he eliminated all these executive orders that were there to protect human traffickers coming over the border or to protect the. The victims coming over the border. There were human trafficking task force that were dismantled. They had human traffickers that were under investigation. They had to stop the investigations and let these people go. I remember I was. Was writing article after I was just incensed about it.

But I mean, what can I do? Nobody gave care. And what I was posting, it seemed like. And I mean, people did, but everybody felt hopeful. You know, it was helpless and, and all they did is ratchet it up and, and allow this flood to occur. And it seems that the people that support that, I’ve heard so many people, those are lies. You know, this is made up lies. They never supported this. This is all made up for someone who’s on the front lines. What do you think about that? Yeah, I mean he did more than cancel these executive orders and dismantle, you know, investigations.

A step further was to me, which was, was crazy to me, was canceling the background checks for caretakers at the unaccompanied minors centers. That to me, I mean, that that was the biggest red flag. Right. And that, that also illustrated the more ominous, you know, the more ominous intentions of the Biden administration in regards to the unaccompanied minors coming over the border. At the very least them, you know, now seeing, seeing it with my very eyes. I mean, because I, I continued my journey with the anti trafficking and when there was an uptick at the border, I believe this was like back in 20.

Well, you know, when Trump stepped away, we all know, but in 2021 was specifically was when I was actually frequented at the border just to observe and you know, report out myself. And from what I saw, you know, just the amount of children that came over the border with a crumpled up piece of paper, knowing where they were going and the amount of families, the amount of family units or the parents, the single parents that would come over that didn’t even know the child’s name when they were asked or their date of birth, you know, that shows me that there was not only the identifiable unaccompanied minors, but also those that were accompanied by fake parents and fake families.

That’s right. Yeah. So I, I think that the 300, I think it’s 353,000 children that went missing. I think that that number is much more astron. Because a lot of, I did see a lot of children come over with the fake family units. And so first. Sorry, I think you saw it firsthand. So it’s not like this is a fake and lies and everything else. Now when you see all these people, I know that’s a different topic, but when you see everybody protesting and all these things and then at the same time saying what you’re doing is lies and I mean, how does that make you feel in this country when you start seeing, seeing this chaos and, and, and nobody can’t.

This administration was so gross and didn’t care about these kids, but yet they claim they care about all these immigrants with all these riots and things. Right? Yeah. I will State. Because, you know, it’s, it’s an interesting perspective for me because I am Latina of, of Mexican heritage. Well, my Mexico. And so are my kids, they’re half Mexican. So I mean, I’m an American first, though. I’m an American first with a Mexican heritage. And that’s, that’s what I want to make out is that these people are here in America and you know, they’re really, they’re, they’re writing against their own best interest because, you know, and we’re just talking about the Americans that are rioting, right? We haven’t even touched the illegal immigrants that are writing, which is completely ironic because they want to be in this country and they, they want to remain.

They want, they want to stay. But the good immigrants that are not. Yeah, keep going. I’m sorry. Yeah, well, I’m talking about the ones that are, you know, specifically in la. I think that was like the big example for the most recent times. You see, you know, a lot of these writers, and to be clear, I don’t know if they were of Mexican heritage, but they were waving a Mexican flag. And to me, that’s ironic because they want to stay in this country, but we are a country of laws and we are a country of order.

And you know, when, when I see something like that, you know, I, I just, it, to me it’s just pure ignorance because not a lot, right? I mean, if you’re disrespectful and you’re sitting there doing the Mexican flag, it’s like you’re coming, right? And then you want to take over this country as if it’s you. I mean, that’s just so disrespectful. Oh, absolutely. We wouldn’t go to Mexico and wave an American flag and throw rocks at, at their police and, you know, riot and set cars on fire. I think that the Mexican army. Y Mexican army.

What do you think their brain, that they think it’s okay to sit and do the Mexican flag. Come here, create, say, we’re not going to assume light. We’re just going to do exactly what we were doing before. Screw you. And, and not listen. I mean, why are they. How can they think that way? Yeah, well, and, and you know, also to, to clarify a little bit more, I think there’s a big financial investment in these. These. So I believe some of these are actors as well. There’s. Yeah, no, there’s a great reporter. His name is Anthony Cavazas.

He’s been reporting. He’s in la and so he’s been reporting on the ground ever since. And he’s a great account to follow on. On X, if anybody is on there. But he’s been reporting, you know, slabs of. Of bricks. Slabs. The same thing we saw in 2020. Yeah. Concrete. And, you know, these bionic. These bionic shield masks that are like, what, about 40 to $60? There’s a pop. But they’re being masked. They’re not Mexican citizens that are just organically doing this. And what do you think it makes them. It makes them look bad. It’s, it’s. How dare they.

When this is the undercurrent of everything going on. How dare they use these people this way? That’s kind of how I think. It’s like, how dare you take. Create chaos, take down our country, and then use these people for your benefit to create a color revolution to stabilize the United States. States and then. Exactly. And then there’s a bunch of naive people who don’t know what’s going on. And that’s their useful idiots. Yeah, no, 100%. You know, it’s very unfortunate that, you know, and unfortunately, it makes a lot of the Latino, Mexican American, you know, community look bad.

It’s like, you know, that’s not, that’s not all of us, I promise. You know, we’re, we’re. I’m a very proud American. Like I said, I’m an American first with a Mexican heritage, you know, but that does not. That doesn’t mean that that is my motivation factor to go right in the streets, you know, but as you stated, it’s. It’s pure ignorance. A lot of. And it’s disrespect. A lot of these people don’t know core issues. If they’re being useful idiots and just following the actors and being influenced by them to do what we see that they’re doing in the streets.

You know, if. If these are genuine people doing it, they just. They’re not educated on what actually is going on or they’re. They’re blindsided. They don’t want to hear it. They’re cognitively dissonant. Yeah. And you see it firsthand. I mean, you’re. You’re unique in the sense that you’ve been in the trenches, and it gives you a different perspective. It changes you as a person, doesn’t it? Because I know it changed me. Yeah, it does. You know, I think. I think the survivors really have impacted my perspective of talking to survivors and hearing everything that they’ve been through, you know, and still, you know, those that get Rehabilitated and you know re they get reinvited back into real life and I say that, that they’re kind of led back into their own living, they’re living on their own.

You know, they’ve been through hell and they can come out of all of that with a grateful perspective. They’re grateful to be alive, they’re grateful to lead their own lives. And you know that really does, does it really does change your perspective and it makes you think and step back, you know, what, what are we doing here and what, what are, what is our purpose in each one’s own motivation? Right. So yeah, this is a very unique, you know, line of work that I do and you know, my perspective is consistently malleable to, to that feedback.

Well and let’s talk about the fronts for these charity organizations. When I, I realized I did a lot of coverage on this too that some of these big charity organizations as they grew, so did human trafficking. It was as if they were facilitating it versus stopping it. You know, the, the Hillary Clinton’s of the world creating, I can’t remember the big human trafficking organization that she was behind and created. As that grew, so did human trafficking. And every time it went to another country it just expanded. And so it just seems so obvious that, I mean, come on, how does it grow with the growth of that? And you’ve seen firsthand as well that these, a lot of these charity organizations are fronts.

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Now my organization, I have own a organization called Counter Trafficking alliance. And we began about three years ago and our intentions was to first be a watchdog over NGOs such as this. But one of our main focuses was the National Human Trafficking Hotline. And that was a huge one for us and something that I completely was blindsided by. I would have never thought that there were complaints or that there were grievances against the National Human Trafficking Hotline. I mean, you know, you would think like, what’s the first thing that you would think when you have a trafficking victim? We’ll call the hotline.

You know, they’re gonna, It’s a, it’s a. In this field, being a journalist or being on the front lines, you run into things like this that are. It’s almost traumatic to learn the truth. Right. It’s hard. And I remember I was covering a case that was famous up here, Jacob Wetterling. And I realized that the media was covering for this case. And I don’t think all the, I just don’t think everybody who’s readers, you know, the readers of the news understand that they’re sending propaganda. Not at this level, I don’t. I just, I don’t think so.

I think that’s why they come off as authentic, because they don’t know that. I mean, they’re naive too. And ones that do learn, if they’re still there, they’re bad people as far as I’m concerned. But I realized that the media, the local top media, was covering for human trafficking rings. And that was really traumatic for me. When I, I remember I first learned it back in 2017 time frame. And I think that’s what you learn when you learn that the Trafficking hotline is doing stuff too. Yeah. You know, and I want to, I do Want to clarify and previs that our intentions with investigating the hotline was purely on feedback from actual anti trafficking ministries that had victims in their presence and they needed immediate help.

And these ministries don’t get funding. I mean, they just, they, they rely on donations, they rely on private funding, crowdfunding. They just don’t have the immediate funds to put up like a survivor at a hotel or you know, paying for them to have a meal for a whole week. Right. Some of these people have like the biggest hearts and when they’re met with an actual situation, they need to crowdfund, you know, for the resources. So that, that’s, that’s one of our first initial, I guess, tips into, into the National Human Trafficking Hotline. We had a ministry who actually complained about not calling the hotline being on hold for 45 minutes.

That’s a huge known thing about the hotline, that these survivors, these victims are on hold for a long time and they don’t have that time. The pimp is like right around the corner. The trafficker, you know, is just running to the grocery store, coming back really quick, you know, they don’t have that time. But as we looked into the National Human Trafficking Hotline a lot more, we learned that, you know, it wasn’t just, it wasn’t just the, the fact that these survivors weren’t able to get through, but it was the fact that there were so many entanglements and conflicts of interest, you know, and, and I want people to know that too.

Like, you know, there are some sensational things that are said about the hotline and those things might be true. I haven’t been able to look down, you know, that, that rabbit hole. But I have been able to prove that, hey, there’s a lot of, you know, what seems to be Democratic funding into the National Human Trafficking Hotline. There were ties of, you know, but you know, it’s been, it’s been bipartisan. There have been been Democrats and Republicans that have endorsed this hotline and not a lot has come out of it. And I can tell you an example.

So the director of otip, I don’t know if she’s the current director, but at the time, just a few months ago, she was, she was actually the starter of the Polaris Project, which owns a hotline, her name is Catherine Chan Chen. And she actually left in 2012. She left Polaris Project to take the directorship of the OTIP office in the hhs. And that particular office that she leads, they actually decide what grants get disseminated and allocated to which NGOs. And guess what? Polaris Project actually gets an annual grant. Now I know that there’s so many things that I can name that are wrong and what we found but, but one major thing that came up, and it was actually something we weren’t looking at, but came at the very time that we were publishing this report.

The national association of Attorneys General first I believe in 2023 there were 37 states bipartisan of these Attorney General penned a letter to congressional leadership and they basically said hey, the National Human Trafficking Hotline is not reporting law enforcement tips. Tips to. I’m sorry, crime tips to law enforcement. What in the world is going on? Why, why were they not reporting these crime tips to law enforcement? You know what I mean? Law enforcement, they need these tips in order to make connections, in order to solve cases, in order to find out did you dig into it or what was going on.

Go ahead. Yeah. No, the only response that we found was that Polaris stated that they did not want to harm the relationship or the trust that had with survivors. And so that’s why they stopped reporting crime tips and which is yeah, vague. You can do that anonymously. You didn’t have to do a crime tip using the victim. I suppose it, in certain circumstances it could put the victim at risk. But in general and one thing that I found when it came to these hotlines and when I was diving into it is that they’re not all bad.

That and same with these charity, they’re not all bad. I, I’ve come to the conclusion that they let them take down their competitors, they let them take down a certain percentage so that they can continue the racket. That’s the conclusion that I’ve come to. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it seems to me, it’s, I, it seems to work out every time I look into it. Yeah, I mean from what I saw, there’s just a lot of, a lot of circular motions when it comes to, you know, the funding and the people that are the politicians that might be associated and you know, relining of pockets somehow.

But what I can say is that their financial expenditures just don’t make sense. And that’s also something that we looked at as far as, as part of our investigation. We looked at their 990s. We looked, we traced the money, we saw what they, what they profited. Where was it going to the pockets? You think it’s going to bribes and blackmail and all that other stuff. And, and it just didn’t make Sense some of it did go to lobbying. However, you know what, what’s interesting is the claim for a charity expenditure for a 990, you know, just to educate people.

A charity expenditure is that of I, we are an organization, we are a non profit and we are giving a grant grants out to you know, ABC ministry helping sex trafficking victims, you know and it could be to buy them resources, tangible items, services. That’s what we would expect to see from a big organization like this, especially where our tax dollars are going towards. But what we found was that they claimed that $0.84 on the dollar were going towards charity. But we couldn’t see where that was going because find a lot of grants or a lot of expenditures towards charity.

You know one example is Delta Airlines is actually they are partnered up with Polaris Project with the national human trafficking hotline. And what they do is they allow their frequent fly frequent flyers to donate their miles to this organization. Well how can we, how can we track the miles that are donated pro bo, you know to, to, to victims or to anybody part organization and there’s no way to track it. So we have Delta fre frequent flyers that are donating miles but there’s no way to track or to held this organization accountable as to how they are, you know, giving that out.

Now I did have a ministry that specifically asked and they’re actually partnered with Uber too, which is interesting. We had a ministry specifically ask, you know, as an advocate on behalf of a survivor if they could transfer her. Hey we this survivor, she’s being follow by her pimp. Can we, can you guys transfer her, transport her to another city so that way you know she’s not being followed. And the answer was no. So if they have all of these miles and they have these partnerships, how, how are these resources allocated to survivors if they’re not being allocated towards survivors? You know so that looks like it was the money wasn’t going to funding the hotline because they had to wait for 45 minutes.

They weren’t going to services to help people. I mean there were a little bit somebody answered after 45 minutes. But in general they weren’t going to the places that were really needed, it looks like. Right, right. And you know this, this organization Polaris Project also operates what’s called a global directory of human trafficking resources. Again, nobody knows that. You know we found that out out. And this is supposed to be what it sounds like. It’s supposed to be a directory. You go online, you, you know, I’m in Houston, I want to know all the, you know, things that I can, I can, that can help me in Houston.

I’m a human trafficking survivor. Right. But it’s not, it’s not all exhaustive and that concerns me as well. You know, if, if they don’t have an up to date directory and we’re us as taxpayers, we’re funding this, the government is giving them a grant grant. They’re also getting private, you know, donations, individual donations. You know, if they don’t have an up to date directory, then what kind of, what, what kind of referrals are they giving out to these survivors? Right. So it’s, it’s a big convoluted mess. There’s a lot of things that are wrong with this, this organization and in my personal opinion, with their hotline and Elizabeth, it’s actually, it’s interesting, Elizabeth Smart, if anybody remembers who she is, she was actually a cap.

She was captured and I think held. I think she was a trafficking, that she’s considered a trafficking victim in a Sense. Back in 2002 in Utah and she was gone for what, like two to three months. She actually penned an article with the New York Post very recently, I think about a month ago, saying the very thing that there’s, there has to be some sort of reform on the National Human trafficking hotline because it’s not helping. So it’s, it’s a big problem that’s not really being, it’s not very being noticed nationwide. And what do you think besides re, you know, structuring this and looking into it? Yeah.

What. Since you’ve been intimately involved, this is what you do all day long. God bless you. What do you think needs to be. What are the number one priorities? Yeah, you know, I mentioned a little earlier, I went to a data conference in it that is oriented around human trafficking, the economics of human trafficking. And the biggest thing that came up over and over was the housing, the transitional housing for survivors. There are a lot of emergency shelters as I’m doing another project right now with my organization. And a lot of emergency shelters do exist, rape crisis centers.

But that’s short term. You know, there has to be a bigger solution, especially for children. You know, children are being put in these environments that it just seems like a fairy. I learned that it’s like a fairy tale. They enter a better environment, it’s good, it’s great. But then later on they have to return back to their home, you know, and it might be a broken home. So. So I think resources to surmise that resources and housing is the biggest problem in our country. And I want to be very clear that this is an American problem first.

Before we had the uptick at the border, before we had the influx of illegal immigrants, this was an American problem first. And it’s in my truest belief that we need to address this problem for Americans and then as we develop out these solutions, of course we’re not going to just leave foreign children on the streets. I believe that we can help them too. But we’ve got to help Americans in this crisis. We got to help whatever human being is involved. We help, I think, because that’s what you do as a good human being. But okay, how do people follow you? How do they donate to your cause? How do they, I mean there’s people that are looking for purpose themselves.

Right. And so they could probably volunteer and do some of this stuff. Yeah, thank you so much for mentioning that, Sarah. We actually need, we need, if, if it can be one thing, if you don’t have money or if you, if you, all you have is time, we need your time. We need your help. Help. We need people to, as out outreach professionals and as small time researchers. It’s not hard research either. But if, if there’s anything that somebody can do, it’s to donate their time and to help out. They can go to, yes, it’s, they can go to countertrafficking alliance.com There’s a section if they scroll towards the bottom of the homepage where it says get involved and they can fill out an application, a volunteer application.

Of course there are donation opportunities on the website as well. It’s a real easy button, says donate. And from there what we’re doing is we are aiming to provide resources for these shelters, for these ministries that actually do the frontline work. But we are expanding our capabilities and so we need a lot of help and a lot of hands. And there, there are projects that are in minds that can just transform the world if not our nation. But we need help. So that’s what they can do. Countertrafficking alliance.com well, and you know you’re the real deal because you’re taking volunteers.

You’re not just asking for money. Not that people who ask for money are the real deal either. But the fact that you’re asking for volunteers and people and you need actual people working on the ground to me is very, very, that’s a great indication that you’re doing this, that God’s work and that this is really important. And thank you so much for joining the program and doing everything that you’re doing. Thank you so much for having me. And again, just thank you for everything that you do, Sam.
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