Iranian Freedom Fighter: National Council of Resistance on Repression Extremism w/ Shahin Gobade

➡ The Iranian regime is at war with its own people, who are fighting for freedom and democracy. A company called 7075 Coffee is offering discounted starter kits, including a longevity blend that may increase lifespan. The show features an interview with an Iranian freedom fighter from the National Council of Resistance of Iran, the largest resistance movement in the country. The host emphasizes the importance of understanding the complexities of the situation in Iran and the need for rational decision-making, rather than emotional reactions.
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➡ The Iranian regime, known for its atrocities and mayhem, has been in power through torture and execution. In just three months in 1988, 30,000 people were executed after brief trials. Despite this, resistance against the regime is growing, with activists organizing protests and strikes. The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) has proposed a ten-point plan for a future Iran, which includes separation of government and religion, gender equality, freedom of thought, a non-nuclear Iran, and respect for national minorities.
➡ Despite Iran’s rich resources, including the third largest oil reserve and second largest gas reserves in the world, 80% of its population lives in poverty. This is due to corruption, nepotism, and the misuse of resources by the ruling regime, which includes the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. The regime also supports proxy groups in other countries, further draining resources. The speaker believes that the regime is weakening and that change in Iran is more achievable than ever before, but emphasizes that this change must come from within Iran, not from external forces.
➡ Mariam Rajavi, the President-elect of the Resistance, testified to the US House of Representatives, stating that they don’t want military or financial aid from the US. Instead, they want the US to cut off the Mullah’s financial resources, hold the regime accountable for their crimes, and reinstate UN sanctions. They also want recognition for the Iranian people’s right to resist the regime and bring about change themselves. In the past, the Resistance was wrongly labeled as a terrorist entity, which hindered their efforts and forced them to fight legal battles to clear their name. They believe they are the best hope for peace and freedom in Iran and the Middle East.
➡ The speaker is part of a resistance movement against the current regime in Iran, advocating for a democratic, tolerant, and progressive Iran led by a woman. The movement aims to abolish religious courts, establish gender equality, and separate religion from power. They also oppose the death penalty and promote peace, freedom, and human dignity. The speaker encourages listeners to support their cause and spread the word for a free Iran.
➡ Iran’s actions have a big impact on the Middle East and even further. Instead of being a place for terrorists, it could set an example of democracy. Wishing everyone a peaceful, crisis-free summer.

Sat Sa There is a war going on and that’s the war of this regime against Iranian people. And I think that’s an untold story about Iran that this regime has launched and continued an onslaught against the Iranian people which want to get rid of this. If I want to put it in historical perspective, the Iranian people stood up against the previous dictatorship of the Shah which was a dictator, a modern one, but still a dictator with a notorious secret police, Sawak, and so on and so forth, simply for freedom and democracy, the very same values that Americans cherish and take for granted.

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He is safe, but he said he doesn’t have anything he wants to add at this time. Everything he says in this interview he stands by and that we will have a later interview later as things start to unfold. He’s from the National Council of Resistance of Iran. It’s the largest resistance movement in Iran that most of us haven’t heard of. And so you’ll get a different perspective. Okay, here comes the show. Welcome to Business Game Changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have a different show for you today. I have an Iranian freedom fighter who’s part of the resistance movement.

His name is Shaheen Gobadeh and he’s here to share what this resistance movement is. It’s the largest resistance movement in Iran. It’s bigger than the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s bigger than all these extreme groups. We only hear about the extreme groups. Do you even know about this resistance movement in Iran? I mean, I don’t, you know, most people don’t hear about it, but it’s the largest group in Iran. He’s going to share with you some things that are happening in Iran. And I, you know, things that are incredible. 30,000 people in 2024 were put to death in a period of three months, each getting a trial that was like two to three minutes long that were part of these resistance movements.

Like, wow, you know, these are the kinds of things we don’t hear about. And, and I got, I push. I, you know, I said, you know, we in this, then the media here and even the independent media, we don’t get to hear about. We don’t even trust anybody in anything that we get. Where can we find primary sources? So he gave me the website ncr iran.org and I’ll have that up there. He claims that is legitimate firsthand sources that you can find out what’s going on. We talk about the fact that the only way Iran is going to get to the next level or to improve itself is for it to happen from within the peace movements.

The democratic movements have, have to happen from within. You can’t have the CIA par. Parachute in, mess it up because that’s what we always do. And you know, he’s just talking about that. He really believes this peace movement, the democratic peace movement, which is their resistance movement, which is the largest in Iran, is the answer to start solving all the turmoil in the Middle East. He, he, that’s what he’s saying and that what happens. And you know, I asked why is Iran always the focus of attention? Because, you know, for hundreds of years they haven’t started a war.

And he pushed back about that and he says that’s not true. And we, he talks about that. But the other thing is, what you’ll learn is that Iran is resource rich, which is what tells me that’s the real reason they’re involved. And because Iran, because of that and where they’re situated, they have such a profound effect on the rest of that region. And I just think this is the start of many, of actually getting to, you know, getting these nuanced conversations. Now that we have the Internet, now that we have some independent ability to talk about these things and not just be fed the narrative that the mainstream media wants to send us, maybe we can start hearing about some things that are a little bit more true because otherwise all we do is get a freaking narrative that they want us to believe and, or these sound bites, that’s the other thing.

We get these three minute soundbaits. Literally people are scheduled for three minutes on Fox News. Okay, you got three minutes, do your thing. I mean, as if that’s going to be enough time for anybody to really understand any kind of issue at any kind of level. That’s what shows like mine are for, is for you to introduce you to some of these topics and hopefully you can go learn on your own. The problem is we have so many things hitting us, right? We have the, the chaos everywhere and then we got the sound bites, we got all these things hitting us and we’re, we’re emotionally charged.

And then reacting based on emotion, that’s the scariest state to be in. If you were making decisions on emotion, which is what’s happening everywhere to everybody. But then it’s the scare. I mean, it’s the scariest, it’s the most irrational state to be in. Good decisions don’t happen when people are emotionally charged. We have to be more rational, get the emotions out of it or I mean, you’re always going to have some emotions, but you have to be able to manage your emotions. So that’s what’s happening. And I hope you enjoy this conversation and get something out of it.

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And make sure that you’re responsible with your own health. Okay, let’s get into this amazing conversation that I have with Iranian freedom fighter Shaheen Gobade. Hi, Shaheen, welcome to the program. Oh, thank you for having me. And before we start, let me wish you and your viewers and your family a very, very happy day, week and summer. Thank you. Thank you. We have a lot of turmoil here in this country, so we’re hoping it’s a peaceful. Get a little more peaceful and not be so anxiety ridden. But thank you so much. Before we get into this, I want people to understand who you are and and then we can dive into some more details.

My understanding is that you have fought quite a bit to bring freedom to Iran. And so what does that mean? Who are you? And give. My listeners know nothing. So who are you? And then they probably know very little about Iran as well. So share with us. Well, first of all, your listeners and viewers are very, very valued people. And I’m grateful of the opportunity and the time they give me today. My name is Shaheen. That’s my given name. My last name is Gobadi. I am from the National Council of Resistance of Iran. The National Council of Resistance of Iran is a coalition of Iranian opposition movement.

Politically speaking, this coalition is against the Shah, the previous dictatorship in Iran and the current theocracy. So basically, it’s striving to establish a democratic republic in Iran. It has been in existence for 44 years. It was established in Iran, but when the political regime started the slaughter of the Iran people in 1981, its headquarters moved to Paris, France. And that’s where I am today. The NCRI is comprised of various groups and tendencies. The main member organization is called the People’s Mujahideen Organization of Iran, also known as MEK by its Farsi acronym. And this movement predates the current regime.

It fought against the Shah as well. In terms of the headquarters, as I said, it’s in Paris, but we have offices in Washington, London, Brussels, Rome, Stockholm, all the major European capitals and support associations literally all over the world, all over North America, all over Europe, Middle east, even New Zealand, Australia, Far east, even Latin America, wherever there are Iranian diasporas, we have support associations. In terms of what we strive for, as I said, we are striving for a democratic, secular Iran. The NCRI is comprised of about 500 members. Very tellingly, more than 50% of them are women, which is quite remarkable.

That is remarkable. In a, in a, in a, in a Middle Eastern movement you have women playing such a prominent role. And there’s a reason for this because the regime in Iran is so misogynist and women have a lot more to fight for. They’re fighting for everything, basically. Well, it also shows, let me, let me ask you. It also shows once you’re, when your movement is genuine and authentic, you get just, you get a really good mix balance, mixed opinion. Absolutely. As I was about to touch upon that the NCRI includes people from various nationalities. I mean for instance, Iran is being diversified country.

There are Kurdish people, there are Baluchis, there are Azeris, and also people, you know, Muslims, Christians, Azorissarians, people who believe in Jewish faith. So it’s like a microcosm of Iran. And also you might find it very telling that it has chosen a woman called Madame Maryam Rajevi to be its president elect for a time when the regime is throne. She would be in charge for the transitional period to turn over the sovereignty of Iran to the people that sovereignty belongs to. And that’s the Iranian people themselves. In terms of the support that the NCRI enjoys, our annual gatherings, we have had annual gatherings in Europe for the last 20 plus years.

Normally draws somewhere close to 100,000 activists who come from all over the world to show their support. But most important, part of the movement is actually inside Iran. To give you an idea, in the course of the last four decades, more than 120,000 of activists, 90% of whom support the People’s Mujahideen, Organization of Iran and NCRI, have been executed in Iran by dietary journalists. Wow, that’s a stuff we never hear about, stuff like that. Exactly. 120,000 people. The the youngest documented one is a 13 year old teenage girl whose sole crime was to sell the newspapers of the resistance in Iran.

Just selling newspapers got her executed at the age of 13. And she was, you know, she was a observing Muslim. Yeah. And the oldest that we have documented was a 72 year old grandmother and all in between and people from all walks of life. How long of a period was that? 120,000 people executed? It started since 1981. Exactly. June 20, 1981. That’s when the reign of terror began. This regime came to power in 1979 and quite quickly it turned against the people. And as I said, From June 20, 1981 it became a slaughtering regime and Iran became a slaughtering house.

But what I think you will find it very interesting is that despite all this crackdown and killings and savagery. In addition to this, 120,000, several hundred thousand have been incarcerated, tortured simply for standing for democracy and human rights. That shows you how deeply the sentiment for freedom in Iran is that, you know, the regime has killed, but people have stood up again. People have stood up again and the resistance has. And they have joined the ranks of the resistance all these years. Can I ask you, one of the pushbacks that I get in the, you know, journalism is that or the, the themes is that Iran has never started a war and that we are putting the, that the United States is turning Iran into a boogeyman and it’s not real.

And, and that’s what we’re exploring today. And what you’re sharing with us is that you’re sharing details, that there really is an undercurrent of stuff going on in Iran. Now that. Would you say that the new leadership that came in in 1979 is different, you know, because, because Iran hasn’t started a war in hundreds of years. So. But that me doesn’t mean anything because the new leadership that came in in 1979 was a whole new deal. Very much so. But actually there is a war going on and that’s the war of this regime against the Iranian people.

And I think that’s an untold story about Iran, that this regime has launched and continued an onslaught against the Iranian people which want to get rid of this. If I want to put it in historical perspective, the Iranian people stood up against the previous dictatorship of the Shah, which was a dictator, a modern one, but still a dictator with a notorious secret police, Sawak, and so on and so forth, simply for freedom and democracy, the very same values that Americans cherish and take for granted. And one has to remember we are talking about Iran, one of the cradles of civilizations with thousands of years of civilization, with huge contribution to the mankind, civilization in all sorts of areas of science.

And for the last 120 years, the Iranian people have been fighting for freedom and democracy. And there have been two currencies that have stood up against them, monarchy and theocracy. And for one period of time, monarchy was in power. The mullahs and the clergy were helping them. And then it was reversed and the clergy came to power. And the remnants of the monarchy are now, as ironic as it sounds, are helping them. So basically the notion of this regime has not had a war, doesn’t hold. And also, I know we are talking, we are jumping from one issue to the other, but this regime for the last four decades have Been propping up, supporting, establishing, financing, training, army, all sorts of proxy groups in the region.

Look at Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, the Iraqi Shiite groups in Iraq, and so on and so forth. And they are creating all sorts of mayhem and atrocities. Or for instance, when Bashar Assad now deposed, the dictator of Syria was in trouble, who was there to help them him to survive for an extra 13 years? The IRIN regiment. So this notion that this regime has not started the war simply doesn’t hold. It’s not based on facts. And I tell you, where does this kind of narratives come from? But going back to original question, would you say, would you say, would you say, you know, because the CIA goes and creates mayhem everywhere, would you say Iran is the equivalent of the Middle Eastern mayhem creator? Definitely.

And you have to remember that this regime has been in power on two pillars. One pillar I just touched upon is the torture execution in Iran to get a sense of how dreadful this regime is to the Iranian people. Just in summer of 1988, in the course of three months, 30,000 people who are already in jail, incarcerated by this regime, were executed by kangaroo trials that last from two to three minutes. 30,000 people in matter of three months. Two minute trials. Okay, when, how long, how much of a span of year time? Three months. Oh my.

So 30,000 people were killed in three months time with two to three minute trials each. Exactly. And it was a. The founder of this regime, a man, a dreadful person obviously called people, know him as Ayatollah Khomeini, issued a religious order and said, any prisoner who does not repent and steadfast in his or her belief should not be shown any mercy. Put them before a group of three or four people, one religious judge, one person from the intelligence services, and so on and so forth, and one prosecutor. And ask them one question, why are you incarcerated? If they say, because we believe in MEK or under resistance, finish, no more questions asked.

And if they say, oh, we repent, you should ask them, are you willing to turn against your previous colleagues and friends and are you going to willing to turn them in? Are you even willing to shoot the coup de grace, the final shot to show your loyalty to the regime? And who would have done this? So 30,000 very, very brave innocent people were sent to gaols. Exactly where? That’s incredible. So where can people. Because you’re talking to a group of people, my audience, who has no direct primary source information. Our media is so bad you can’t trust what they’re saying.

And People are concerned about the independent media too, because we just don’t have primary source. How can people learn about this and get primary source information that they can trust? First of all, I appreciate you asking the question and appreciate for the opportunity and I tell you why. Because as a matter of fact, one of the main issues that we have had over the years with this has been with this mainstream media because they always get their talking points from, you know, people. Washington. Yeah, people in power, basically. And they always follow what I call, you know, official narrative.

And the image that I’ve depicted to the American people is that Iranian situation is binary. What I mean is that there’s the west versus the mullahs, but actually there’s a third party which is the most important and that’s the Iranian people. And they’re organized resistance. And very, very people have. Few people have heard about it. And I think now, as we are on the cusp of a big change in Iran, as we see things, is very much the time people see that Iran is no longer synonymous with either the Shah’s dictatorship or the Mullah’s tyranny. So answering your direct question, There’s a website, ncr-iran.org I repeat, n for national, C for Council, r for Resistance, NCR Iran or Iran.org that’s our website.

It gets a lot of firsthand information from inside Iran and people can go there and get their news and that’s get updated. And I think that’s very important for them to be abreast of what’s going on. Going back to the previous question about who we are and what we stand for. The original question. So despite all these killings, all this tragedy, the resistance is growing. What I mean is that there’s a vast network of resistance activists in Iran currently organized in the form of resistance units inside Iran, which are setting the stage for uprisings, protests, strikes, very courageous men.

And I should emphasize women, particularly young women, who in the daytime, they’re ordinary people. By the evening, they’re in group of 3, 4, 5, 6. And they get involved, they write graffiti, they burn the big pictures of the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, or the founder of the regime, Khomeini, or the statue of the regime’s leaders. And they put the big pictures of resistance leader Madame Rajavi and all of this trying to break the spill of repression. They’re like the sledgehammer to break the spill of repression, telling people that we have to stand up, we have to wrest our country from the hands of the mullahs.

And they have been very, very courageous and very, very effective. So having said this, the NCRA has introduced a ten Point Plan for the future of Iran. The Ten Point Plan, which is known as Mariam Rajavi’s, the President Elect of the Resistance. Ten Point Plan calls for separation of government and religion. Something that I think every good American can identify with. Total equality, total gender equality, freedom association, freedom of thought, and so on and so forth. A non nuclear Iran, which I think is very important, we have committed to be a non nuclear Iran. An Iran would be friendly with the rest of the world.

Mutual, amicable, amiable relationship. An Iran that respects the rights of the national minorities. Because as you know, Iran has a lot of national minorities and their rights for what I call autonomy within the territorial integrity of Iran is fully respected. And Iran that believes in market economy. And this is all articulated in this ten Point Plan, which is very, very progressive. It’s like a day and night of what Iran is today. And what’s good news is that there’s a lot of growing support for this plan. Just as of this February, the majority members of the U.S.

house of Representatives, in a bipartisan way, which is very rare these days in Washington, have introduced a resolution in support of the 10 point plan of Madame Rajavi. Wow, interesting. Can I ask you a couple questions, please, about the culture there and you know, typically the abuse and the killing of people chills the environment. So people aren’t afraid or people are afraid to stand up. Have they taken it too far where people are like, I don’t care anymore, I’m going to fight regardless. Is that what’s happening? Absolutely correct. I think people of Iran have had it.

Do I corroborate this observation? In the last seven and a half years alone, since December 2017, as of today, there have been five major nationwide uprisings in Iran. Five. And each time it gets bigger, more inclusive, more pervasive. The last one people might remember was in September 2022, that went into 2023, when that young woman, Mahsa Amini was picked up and killed. And on that one, there were protests in 300 cities in all 31 provinces. So people in the south, north, east, west of Iran, all together, they came to streets. Obviously the regime killed, to be exact, 750 protesters, many of them women and even teenagers, were killed and up to 90,000 were arrested.

But people, you know, kept coming out and coming out and coming out, coming out. Obviously the regime was able to stop that momentarily for the time being. But each time this uprising is getting stronger. And now people would not be satisfied anything short of the regime’s overthrow. And one can judge that from their slogans. Slogans like down with Khamenei, the supreme leader. When you go after the head of the regime in a totalitarian system like that, that means that people, excuse me, have called off goodbye to this regime. Or also when they chant, done with oppressor being the shah, which was the previous dictator or the supreme leader, the current dictator, it means people are looking for democracy and they have rejected any form of repression.

So in that sense, you are absolutely correct that people of Iran know that there would not be any future for them under the current regime. So, yes, the executions continue. I think you might find it shocking that Iran has about 1% of the world population. You know, Iran has about 90 million people, which is a little bit more than 1%. But just as of last year, more than 64% of the world executions took place in Iran. Wow, 64% of the world’s executions took place in Iran. Yes, and the number of it does for 2024, and the pace for 2025 is even more steep.

So this year it has even accelerated. Why? Because in light of what I said, the people are frustrated. People want a regime change. And the only solution the regime has killing, killing, killing, killing, more repression. But that has not stopped the tie. They have postponed it. But that’s not going to stop the tide, because people are totally repressed. People are at the same time very well educated, quite knowledgeable, and also very poor. Again, going back to some facts, I said Iran has 1% of the world population. It has about 7 to 8% of the world’s resources.

It’s a very rich country. It has the third biggest oil reserve in the world, the second biggest gas reserves in the world, a lot of, you know, mines, and a huge country. But according to the regime’s one figure, Sarah, 80% of the people of Iran live below the poverty line, which doesn’t make sense if you have so much resources. But it also means that the global elite structure wants Iran because of its resources way too. Again, people are saying, look, where’s our money going? Where are resources going? I mean, look what. At the same time, they see their wealth is plundered by the regime, by the ayatollahs and their son, by the commanders of the irgc.

IRGC stands for Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. That’s the ideological military that the ayatollahs made Iran. There’s a lot of peculiarities about this regime. It has two armies, one is a conventional army. And one, the army that the ayatollahs built for themselves and their commanders are the ones who plunder a lot of resources. They control More than 60, 70% of the UN economy now, even the oil and gas exports. So people live below the poverty line. They are repressed. They are deprived of the most rudimentary rights. They see a lot of nepotism. Corruption in Iran is beyond imagination, even by the American standards.

They are astronomical. You know, sometimes you read, you know, a phony shell company, you know, obviously affiliated with the regime, stole, you know, $500 million or stole $1 billion, embezzled, and they vanished. Well, anytime you have that many resources and that much poverty, there’s a power issue going on and the, and the money’s not flowing down to the people. So what would you say is their goal worldwide? Where do you see Iran fitting in in this current global power structure that’s going or power war that’s going on? Because there’s a global economic reset happening and people are fighting for this power.

There’s a lot of shifts of power happening right now. Where do you see Iran fitting into that? Actually, another aspect which I did not mention is that the regime’s policies have contributed to the situation. Not only plundering, for instance, a lot of Iran’s resources have been diverted to, as I said, supporting proxy groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis in Yemen, the Shiite militias. And at the height of the Syrian war, Iran had more than 100,000 mercenaries in Syria. You know, hundred thousand mercenaries, you know, is very expensive. And who pays for this? The Iranian people, you know, they get poor and they know and they find out.

I think the telling of Abraham Lincoln was very relevant here when he said, you can fool all the people for some time. You can fool some people all the time. You cannot fool all the people all the time. They really, people have found out. Well, the other question is I’d like to know who the leadership of Iran is really aligned with, because creating mayhem in all over that part of the world doesn’t necessarily benefit them. So. And they’re spending all this money, so who are they working with and aligned with that are outside the country? Well, obviously they have their own agenda, their agenda.

From the very, see, from the very beginning, they knew they have no popular support. So as I said, they, they knew they always need to create crisis outside Iran. So that’s why to augment the repression at home. That was their, that, that has been their strategy. But a lot of the big protests that has continued over the years. And in a lot of the regimes, a lot of defeats in the region, particularly in 2024 now, they have become much, much weaker than past. I would say the regime is at the weakest points. But obviously they, a lot of times they pivot to China and pivot to Russia for support.

But even China and Russia are not, not investing in this regime. They do a lot of business on cash basis because they also understand this regime is in a very, I would say weak footing in that sense. So how do I see the situation in Iran or how do we. The situation in Iran? I say this is a regime on its last leg in another word, especially if they don’t have any major power around the world supporting them. Even the structures are such that even world powers want to help them. It has run their course. Actually why this regime has been able to survive for so long to some part was because of the global policy, which I call in one word appeasement.

And that’s not only I mentioned China and Russia, but actually in reality a lot of European countries and let’s face it, a lot of US administrations and the Clinton types and Obama types and Biden types, they gave the regime a lot of free pass and concession after concession after concession and all based on a mirage. The mirage was there are some moderates within this regime that if you feed them, if you pamper them and if you give them concessions, they come to their senses and one day people with common sense would ascend and take the upper hand.

It was all mirage and delusional and we see where we are today. The regime is on the cusp of going, you know, gaining nuclear weapons, attacking this country, that country, propping all these proxies, exporting terrorism and repressing Iranian people. But I think that has run its course now. We are moved and moving in a very different era and the mullahs fully understand this. Just a quick break from the program to share with you this amazing skincare line called Mimi N I M I and I want to share with you why I like it so much. Because it is clean, they don’t use any harsh chemicals.

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At one point there are problems in the region and also the new policy by the Trump administration, the maximum pressure which is really squeezing them on their ability to sell oil and gas, which they only use to repress Iranian people or to finance their proxies or to advance their nuclear weapons program or missile programs is becoming stifled. And I think that’s why change in Iran is now much more within reach than ever before. It’s not going to be easy. Iranian people would have to do this by toilet and blood as they have done over the years.

But I think the prospects have never been so bright. Now what do we propose to the west and America? You see, Sarah, we are not asking people for boots on the grounds. They aren’t asking people to send their children to fight for us. Not at all. The Iranian problem has an Iranian solution. Well, it has to come from within side your own country. You guys have to figure it out. You can’t. Anytime that an external source comes in and does something, we always. The CIA here is notorious for screwing everything up. So you got to do it yourself internally.

No, I totally agree. I mean, democracy cannot be parachuted from outside. But you have to remember now from what this discussion already, you see, we have come a long road ourselves. You know, we have fought, we have struggled, we have paid dearly. But still we have a very viable alternative. We have an identified leader, we have a good program, we have a network inside Iran. Also, I have to add, unlike what you have seen before, we are not asking for any funds, we are not asking for any weapons at all. What are you asking for? I think you know, when this resolution in The Congress was introduced back in February.

There was a hearing and Mariam Rajevi, the President elect of the Resistance, gave a testimony for a US House of Representatives caucus online. She’s in Paris. And she was asked that question by an American congressman that, you know, what do you want from us? And Madame Rajavi said, first of all, let me tell you what we do not want from the US we do not want boots on the ground, we do not want weapons, we do not want, you know, money. But what do we want? First of all, as I said, squeeze the Mullah’s financial pipeline because any money they get, a dime a penny, is used to kill Iranians to support terrorism or go for nuclear weapons and missiles.

Actually today, I mean, on Tuesday, we just literally had a press conference in Washington revealing another aspect of the Mullah’s nuclear weapons program which was known as of today. And we found out through our vast network of resistance operatives inside Iran which act like the eyes and ears of the world who take a huge risk and provide this information to the NCRI and we can reveal it. And this is. We have had this kind of revelations in the last 30 years, 110 different revelations on Iran’s nuclear program alone. So what we are asking is a stifling financial line.

Number two, hold the regime accountable for all their crime, especially the leaders of the regime. Number three, when the nuclear agreement between Obama and the regime was signed in 2015, six UN Security Council resolutions were suspended. We think this is totally, totally unwarranted. The UN sanctions should be re implemented. But most importantly, we think it’s very crucial for the U.S. for Europe, for the world to recognize the right of the resistance units and the Iranian people to stand up against the regime and to bring about a regime change by themselves. I think this is. Yeah, that’s important.

So they do it themselves. Have, have you seen obstruction from the US in the past for your movement? Absolutely. What have they done that has obstructed your freedom movement? Oh, that’s a terrific question. You see, since we are the enemy, number one of the mullahs, we are what they call an extend, a threat to their existence. Whenever they have an exchange with their foreign interlocutors. You know, what’s one of their number one demands? Restricting the resistance, suppressing the resistance. Back in 1990, when Clinton was the president, they thought in their, you know, as I said, delusions that they found a moderate president in Iran, a guy called Mohammed Fatami was anything but being moderate.

And at that time, the Secretary of State was Madeleine Albright, I don’t know if you remember, there was Madeleine Albright. In order to appease the mullahs in Iran, she agreed to call the main Iranian resistance movement, the main part of the ncri, the People’s Majority Organization of Iran, a terrorist entity. So are you still defined as a terrorist entity? No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. Not at all. So this was done. And you know, what’s very tragic, I would say, is that the next day this happened in October 8, 1997. The following day, a senior Clinton administration official went to Los Angeles Times and said, we did this to send a goodwill gesture and message to the regime in Tehran.

It couldn’t be more, it couldn’t be clearer than this. You know, as you say, when it, when it quacks like a duck, when it walks like a duck, it’s a duck. It was a duck. And. And then Europe obviously followed suit, and UK followed suit. And guess what? Obviously at that time, if you call a movement a terrorist movement, you know what kind of pressure and restrictions it puts on the resistance. It was a gift from. I don’t call a gift from heaven. It was gift from Washington and London and Brussels to the mullahs, totally unwarranted.

And guess what? The mulas took the cake and ate it, too. What I mean is that they got all the concessions and they turned against the west even further. Yeah, that’s a tragedy. Okay, so you’re seeing the west being erratic, where they’re supporting you and the other side at the same time and not, not really being effective at all in anything. It sounds like they’re not supporting us. First of all, let’s be very clear. All the policies of the, as I said, Europe and some of the previous administrations in the US have been very much in favor of the mullahs.

The. That might sound. Well, that’s, that’s the interesting part, because in the. The policies have been in favor of them while the media acts like Iran is our biggest enemy. So while they’re talking that they’re our biggest enemy, one of our biggest enemies, they are also supporting them on the other side, is what you’re saying. That’s basically this. This is the, this is. This might sound oxymoronic or a dichotomy, but it’s not, because that’s what happens. Exactly. But in reality, as I said, actually, the people’s majority organization over on the main resistance movement took to the courts.

And guess what, Sarah, they went to 19 courts in the US in the UK and the EU and all 19 courts ruled in their favor. They said there was not even an iota of evidence that this movement has anything to do with terrorism. So they came out of the EU list back in 2009 in the UK list in 2008 and 2012 in the US but for 15 years, you know, that’s. As I said, this was a big, big unwarranted gift to the mullahs. And you might find it interesting. They killed the resistance activists in Iran and they said, oh, nobody can blame us, we are fighting terrorists.

You guys were terrorists, so you could take you down. I feel that because my website was taken down by GoDaddy, by their federal Crimes division, whatever the heck that is, because I was labeled as some kind of terrorist or something. And I’ve never done anything ever. This was back in 2020. So yeah, so what I’m saying, I get it. So what I’m saying. So what I’m saying is that, yeah, when I was talking about practical help, what bigger help you can give to the mullahs, then you basically, you tied the hands of the resistance. Instead of battling the Ayatollahs, they have to go to battle in the courts and spend millions and millions of dollars to hard earned money, which obviously comes only from the Iranians.

Our only source of money is the Iranians at home and in diaspora. So instead of focusing on the ayatollahs and resting Iran, you have to focus on getting this terror stigma removed first so we can do our main mission. So this is one, one instance that all this, you know, and this. So do you think for days and days, do you think your movement is one of the best hopes to bring peace in that area? I mean, because honestly, at the end of the day, peace is really, I mean, we don’t want peace at the expense of freedom and expense of human dignity.

That’s not what we’re talking about here. But peace coupled with human dignity and freedom, I mean, aiming to what you just said, we think that we are the only hope for peace and tranquility and freedom for Iran. And obviously what happens in Iran transcends throughout the whole Middle East. That’s history. Look, we think so long as the mullahs are in power, there will be war, destruction, mayhem in the region. Because this regime is built on the concept, as I said, that you export their terrorism, you export their crisis. And the weaker the regime gets, actually the more belligerent it gets.

To compensate for their weakness at home, the more aggressive they become, the more focused they have to acquire nuclear weapons. So I think the antidote of such a regime, as you said very correctly, should be indigenous. And it is indigenous. And we think it’s about time that the whole paradigm, a narrative about Iran changes. What do I mean by this? Do you know why the mullahs do not want the world to know about us and hear about us? Because if the world realizes and accepts that there is an indigenous democratic resistance movement that does its own fighting inside Iran, which has a good leader, which has a democratic platform, which is recognized internationally, then people will say why on earth are we dealing with the mullahs? There’s a good alternative out there.

There’s a viable alternative out there. So in order people not to think about the alternative, all this, what I call demonization campaign is stigmatizing the resistance has happened. And the fact that, you know, when the media doesn’t talk about it, people don’t know that it exists. Well, how would you compare yourself to the Muslim Brotherhood or some of these other movements that are, I got one here in my face. Some of these other movements that are people are scared about. How are you different from those groups? We are profoundly anti fundamentalist. We believe Islam is religion of compassion, tolerance and mercy.

Because they’re the known ones. Hold on a second. Because you’re not very known, but you’re bigger, you’re the biggest one, but you’re not known. That’s what’s so interesting. Exactly. That’s the whole thing. I bring one yardistic or criteria, the attitude towards women. One thing that the Islamic fundamentalists and extremists always have in common is that they are misogynists. They treat women as second class citizen. And here you have a movement which is led by a woman. Well, to do that, to treat women as second class citizens goes against their own religion. I mean them you have to ignore, I always say you have to ignore with what happens in Christianity.

You have to ignore 90% of what Jesus taught to do half the things they’re doing. But go ahead. But actually in our view, they are basically perverts to Islam because this is not the true teaching of Islam that we know of. We think Islam is a religion of tolerance. Islam is a religion of coexistence, religion of progress. And as I said, the fact that our movement is led by a woman speaks volumes. The fact that, that more than 50% of the political figures of our resistance are women speaks volumes. And also look at our program, our platform, as I said, coexistence with the rest of the world, abolishment of religious Courts, total gender equality, separation of religion and power.

And I think these are the criteria that people can very much identify with. And the fact that, as I said, we do not want to have death penalty in Iran for future because we have had enough death already under this regime, in the previous regime. We want peace. We want, as you said, life to us. We want people to coexist. And the essence, as you said very correctly, in our view, democracy and freedom go hand in hand with tranquility and peace. They’re inseparable. Because it’s not worth it to have peace without having freedom and human dignity because you can get peace through some of that too.

And that’s not worth it. No, no, that’s not true peace. The true peace is true, true democracy, true equality, true freedom. And we think the true essence of Islam is freedom. Actually, you know, there is a verse in Quran which says there’s no compulsion religion, there is no imposition on religion. But you don’t hear this from the extremists. So what I’m saying is that extremism is violent in its nature. So what? Very much, yeah. So where can. Again, can you give people their website? You need to send me that link. So I have that. I think people need to start doing their own research and getting, getting deep conversations.

We’re so bombarded with chaos and daily news things and there’s so, there’s, so there isn’t a lot of people doing deep conversations like this. I try to keep my format more so that we can look at the nuances, we can have deep discussions. We can be smarter human beings instead of being reacting off the daily headlines which base. That’s all reacting based on emotion and chaos. And it seems like people are, are kept at that level of fear and chaos and reactionary based on. And we need to have deeper conversations to be able to evolve. And so that’s important that you, that you’re out there speaking.

Can you again tell us what your website is? And you know what, you didn’t also articulate what your role is in this resistance? Me. What’s your role? I know you’re out here talking. What are you formally, first of all, the website’s NCR and like Nancy C for Charlie are like rose Nancy charlierose-iran iran.org that’s the website of the resistance. I really urge you to go and take a look. And it’s updated every day. I am, I’m a nuclear engineer. I’m a thermal nuclear engineer by training. I went to school in the States. I was Born in Tehran, went to the United States just to do my studies.

I went to UCLA for my studies. And when things got really, really bloody in Iran, when the mullahs start killing a lot of good Iranians, I felt my country calls me. And that’s when I joined the resistance. And I’ve been doing this for the last 40 years. And now I’m based in Paris. I’m a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Council of Resistance of Iran. The NCRI is made of 25 different committees. Like a government in exile of sort is a part of an exile. And I come from the Foreign Affairs Committee of the ncri and I can tell you what I’ve gone through is nothing compared to what a lot of my, I’m sure, yeah, colleagues and friends have gone through.

They’ve lost many, many members of their families. They’ve gone through so much pain and suffering. I think you don’t find any good Iranian who have not suffered under this regime. But I’m not here for the sad part. I think what’s important is that people realize there is a good, strong, viable resistance, a democratic resistance, a viable alternative out there, I think, which is about future, which is about Iran after the mullahs, which is about, as you said, a good, sound policy. And we think this Iran without the mullahs is not a far fetched dream. It is very much within reach.

You know, it’s not thinking about the unthinkable. So. And as I said, given everything that has happened in the last few years and given particularly what happened in 2024, people saw Bashar Al Assad, the Syrian dictator was overthrown in 11 days. And who could have thought that, who could have thought that he will be gone in 11 days? A lot of times dictators look much, seem much stronger than they actually are. But Syria has some other issues though. You know, he was anti Christian. They’re slaughtering Christians, they’re slaughtering people. He, in a lot of ways was better than what they have now.

Actually, what I’m trying to point out is that in Iran, look, the point is that you’re not, we’re not here to talk about Syria, we’re here to talk about Syria. On Iran case also, we have this experience. People hated a dictator which was the Shah, but they had no idea what they want to replace with, with. And they jump from a frying pan to fire, as they say. But here the experience has been learned. People ready to have a. You guys have a viable alternative that can be put in place that isn’t going from one extreme to something worse.

You actually have some structure. Go ahead. More than that, Sarah, all the plans are articulated in details. For instance, when the mullahs are gone, the NCRI would be in power for a maximum period of six months. The main task would be to set the stage for a free and fair election to choose the next national and constituent assembly so that will start writing the new constitution based on separation of religion and government and so on and so forth, which I just mentioned. And after that point, NCRI’s mission is over. People will have their new government, their new sovereignty, and a democratic process will begin from inside Iran.

Run. It’s not going to be an easy road. It’s going to be tumultuous. But that’s beautiful because when it’s indigenous, as you said, and people have their chance of freedom and express themselves and there’s no way it works. I’m sorry, that’s the only way it’s going to work because. Exactly. It doesn’t work. Us bringing in our CIA taking over nothing. I mean, look at Syria. That’s a great thing to point to. It doesn’t work any other way. People have to own it. The people have to evolve. The people have to manage their own stuff. And that’s the message I’m here for that.

Iranian people have gone through this process. It has taken us 45 years to get where we are today. It’s long, it’s been arduous. Many, many times in the last 40 plus years we have been written off, to be honest with you. We have come a lot of times. The tasks seems insurmountable. But we are where we are today. So this is great. I’m so glad. Hopefully other people will talk to you as well. And some of this information gets out there and people just start like again, again talking, having some of these deep conversations. I appreciate you coming to the program.

Thank you for taking the time and thank you for talking to me. And I. Well, I’m the one who has to appreciate you, Sarah, for the opportunity. But more importantly, allow me to say I appreciate those who listen and those who watch because they give us our precious time. And all I ask them is to spread the word, as we said, and also ask them to get in touch with their congressmen and congresswomen and senators and elected officials to say, look, support these people, support ncri, support Mariam Rajevi, this courageous woman who is standing up against the ayatollahs and support a free run.

And I think a free Iran can be a great contributor to the peace and tranquility, not only in the region, but in the whole world. In all these totalitarian regimes, the one that has the most potential for change more expeditiously with huge consequences, is Iran. What happens in Iran affects the whole Middle east more than any other countries. And beyond. And beyond and beyond. And. And instead of being a role model for terrorists and extremists, or metropolis for terrorists and extremists, they can be a role model for democracy. So once again, thanks for having me, and I really appreciate the opportunity and God bless you and all your viewers and listeners and again, allow me to wish them a happy and tranquil crisis free summer SA.
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