Grooming is Protected and Encouraged by the System Michelle Peterson and Mike Adamovich

➡ A mother named Michelle Peterson discovered her son was being groomed by his baseball coach, a teacher who had recently won an award. She took evidence to the principal, leading to the first successful anti-grooming law in Illinois. Meanwhile, Mike Adamovich is working on a project to protect children from undergoing transgender surgery without parental consent. Their efforts are aimed at protecting children across the country from various forms of exploitation.
➡ In 2010, a mother discovered her 15-year-old son was receiving inappropriate late-night texts from his baseball coach. She found thousands of messages between them, some of which were sexual. Despite reporting this to the school principal and the Department of Children and Family Services, both parties denied any wrongdoing. The mother then sought help from a detective who specialized in retrieving deleted messages, hoping to uncover the truth.
➡ A parent discovered inappropriate messages on their son’s phone from a teacher, leading to a difficult conversation about suicide and depression. Despite the teacher’s attempts to bribe the son for sexual acts, the son refused. The teacher was put on paid leave but not immediately dismissed due to lack of concrete evidence. The parent, frustrated with the slow progress of the investigation, sought help from a friend in the Secret Service, leading to the retrieval of the incriminating messages within days.
➡ A mother fights for justice after discovering inappropriate text messages between her son and his teacher. Despite initial resistance from the authorities, she insists on reading the messages and finds evidence of sexual propositions. She confronts the authorities, demanding action, and eventually gets the teacher indicted. Her struggle inspires her to create a “mama bear” logo, symbolizing her fierce protection of her child.
➡ A family’s struggle with a legal case involving their son and his teacher is described. The teacher was accused of grooming the son for sexual abuse, a case that had been ongoing for two and a half years. Despite initial suggestions of a plea deal, the case went to trial and resulted in the first conviction for unlawful grooming in the U.S. The family faced many challenges, including their son’s guilt and the revelation of a possible ring of abusers in their area.
➡ A woman’s personal case of child grooming has become a landmark case used across the United States to prosecute trafficking cases. Despite feeling like her efforts were in vain, she discovered that her case was the only standalone grooming conviction in the country, helping to convict traffickers. She is now working to establish a law, named Andrew’s Law, that would prevent those charged with grooming from taking plea deals. Additionally, she is pushing for an expansion of the sex offender registry to include privately owned businesses that cater to children, although this proposal has not yet been passed.
➡ Laws against child grooming have been passed in several states including Florida, Iowa, Arizona, Georgia, and Louisiana. These laws were inspired by cases of child abuse and aim to protect children from predators. In Montana, a law was passed that imposes a 100-year prison sentence for grooming a child 12 years old or younger, with no chance of parole for the first 25 years. The law also includes lifelong satellite surveillance for the convicted. The goal is to create similar laws across the country to protect children from grooming and abuse.
➡ The text discusses the issue of child abuse and the exploitation of the LGBTQ+ community for harmful agendas. It emphasizes the importance of protecting children from such harm and the need for stricter laws. The text also mentions a product called Masterpiece, which is claimed to remove harmful substances from the body. Lastly, it encourages parents to never stop fighting for their children’s safety and well-being.
➡ The speaker is a passionate advocate for children’s safety, fighting against child trafficking and pushing for laws to protect children. She has a personal connection to the issue, as her son was a victim of assault. She is currently working to get Andrew’s Law passed in Illinois, which would help protect children from grooming and assault. She encourages others to get involved and support her cause through her website and by contacting their local legislators.

Many messages coming in the middle of the night. There’s sometimes me 20 or 30 messages coming in and then eventually my son would respond back. And I think he probably felt at that moment, you know, this is somebody in a position of authority, I better respond back. And it was a baseball coach. So you would then eventually see some messages going back. But then what I did is I printed off about three weeks worth, three weeks worth of those messages, which ended up being about a quarter of an inch thick and took it to the principal the next morning.

And I said, I think we have a problem. And he sat back in his chair just exasperated. And the first thing he said was I just gave him a teacher’s award two weeks ago. Just a quick break from the program. I need to share with you an urgent manner about scam gold IRAs and the important need to make sure that you’re working with the trusted company in the precious metals space. I have had hundreds of people come to me now where they have lost 50, 60, 70% of their life savings in these scam gold IRAs. We are having nearly 100% success rate getting their money back.

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I’m Sarah Westall. I have someone who really has made a difference in this country and two people that are working to make this happen across the country. I have Michelle Peterson and Mike Adamovich. And Michelle Peterson is a mama bear that stepped up and ended up having the first successful anti grooming law in the country in Illinois. She’s going to tell her story about her son and what happened where a baseball coach and a celebrated award winning teacher proposition propositioned her son for sex and was grooming him. And the ordeals that she went through and how it came together, it was inspired and how years later how it is being used as the case to bring down pedophiles across the country.

And she’ll explain that. And then I have Mike Adamovich who has a cornerstone project and it is working to protect children against well, his initial focus was against transgender. The sanctuary where adults, we have a sanctuary city in our state in Minnesota, but there’s also California and other states where you can go get a minor can get transgender surgery without the consent of the adults. And in fact, they can lose their parenting rights if they don’t consent. That’s the way the laws are written and it’s here to protect, they’re trying to protect the children. And he’s going to explain this and how Michelle’s initiatives with the anti grooming laws are being put into this to help in general, how do we protect children across the country here? I, I think you’re going to find this as one of the most inspirational shows that I’ve done when it comes to protecting children.

Before we get into it, I want to play a three minute synops. It’s an overview of Michelle’s case. It’ll help you understand as we get into this interview. So I’m going to play that now. NBC 5 investigates. Imagine discovering that your teenager has been receiving thousands of text messages from a teacher, many sexually explicit, dozens in the middle of the night. You might believe your child would tell you if this happened. But as NBC 5 Phil Rogers discovered, that’s not always the case. The story unfolded here in Morris, southwest of Chicago as middle America as it comes.

He wanted to make a sex video. Put it straight out there. Andrew Kozik says he had begun texting Stefan Boulegno, a teacher here at Morris High School, because he was having trouble on the baseball team. But before long, he says Bellegno was offering him money for oral sex. It started off at 500 and then 1000 and then $1500. But Andrew never told anyone and no one knew until his mother heard him talking to Bellegno on the phone. He has no business calling you at 11 o’ clock at night. That’s completely inappropriate. Okay. So that gives you a really good idea of what she was dealing with and she’s going to dive deeper into that.

And it’s, it’s incredible. These are the kind of stories that parents and children across the country are facing, but they end up not having the same results that she has and why her case is so important. So I’m going to get into this right now with with Michelle Peterson and Mike Adamic. Hi, Michelle and Mike. Welcome to the program. Hi. Hey, Sarah. Glad to be on. Yeah, thank you so much for joining. I know you two are dealing with a topic that’s really important for the soul of our country that, you know, I grew up in the 80s, 70s and 80s.

I was in college in the early 90s. This was a topic that you wouldn’t even imagine would be where we’re at today. And it is. And so before we get into kind of how you, what you guys are doing, Michelle, can you start? And then we’ll go to Mike on what your background is a little bit and very brief. And then we’re going to get into your story, Michelle. And then Mike, what you’re doing too, and who you are. Sure. So as you saw from that clip, I’m the mom from that clip. And so my son was groomed by a male teacher.

I live out in Morris, Illinois, about 80 miles southwest of Chicago in a rural farming community. Never ever thinking that anything like this would happen to our family. But my son was groomed by a male teacher when he was 15, then turned 16 in the middle of all of that happening. And the teacher was 34. And I am just a normal mom. Like I’m a physical therapist. And you know, I was coaching softball at the same high school where this guy was coaching baseball and a healthcare provider too. I was in his home actually treating a family member when he started texting my son.

So I think that he thought that I was too busy to know what was going on with my son’s life. So that’s kind of who I am and why I am here. And we’ll get into more what I’m trying to do currently and how we end up connecting with Mike. You just have an incredible story. Okay, Mike, give us your background. I’m just a Minnesota citizen who cares. And we are not against trans people. What happened up here in Minnesota is that our governor and the super majority Democrat legislature decided to make Minnesota sanctuary state where children and minors under 18 could come against the wishes of their parents and receive so called gender affirming care, which is really child mutilation.

And if the parents objected, the Minnesota courts could take away their those parental rights. And so we started by saying to, by writing letters to Governor Christy Noem, Governor Burgum and Reynolds, asking them to tell the medical community in Minnesota that if any of their children who were citizens of their states were mutilated in Minnesota and they were able to find out who the perpetrators were, that if they were in, if they appeared in South Dakota, they would be arrested. We just essentially said as Minnesotans who found this abhorrent, please arrest our crazies, our goblin physicians, and do not allow them to do this to your children.

Now, we are not saying that South Dakota can come into Minnesota and has a right to arrest these physicians in Minnesota. What we’re saying is if these physicians were to appear in South Dakota, they would be, they would be arrested. Well, the, the letters were ignored by the governors and we ended up creating a declaration that ended up being signed in the rotunda of the Minnesota State Capitol last year on May 9th in support of this idea. And it was signed by many Minnesota Republican legislators. So go ahead, Sarah. Well, I know that’s good. We’re going to get into that more and how Michelle’s story ties into it and how it’s getting some momentum here.

Michelle and Mike, you can say the same thing. This with a Republican in office, this is not going away right now. Even though people think, oh, we’ve solved, it isn’t solved. And Michelle’s story, I think, can really show you how it’s not solved. You were the only one in the country, right? The first one, and I think still the only one in the country to get prosecution for grooming, which is amazing because now they have a president that they can use in court. But where’s the rest of the prosecutions? So can you talk about your story more in depth and how you got that verdict? And then where the heck is it now? Sure.

So, again, this was back in 2010 when this first started. My son was 15. It was in May of 2010 when the texting started. I didn’t realize this until I overheard the conversation as you heard in that clip. And my son was in his room. It was about 10:30 at night on a Sunday in October and outside of baseball season, because this was a baseball coach of his, he never had him as a teacher. And I overheard a conversation where he was really annoyed and kind of almost yelling. He said, I don’t know how often you want me to call you.

You know that I’m busy. You. He’s like, I’m taking class in college. I’m working two jobs. And he’s like, well, I’ll just meet in your classroom tomorrow to pick up those paintballs. And my heart just sunk. I’m like, what did he just say? So I knocked on the door. I said, who are you talking to? And he told me, I said, you need to hang up the phone. I said, it’s completely inappropriate that he’s calling you at, you know, 11 o’ clock at night. So he hung up the phone. And I immediately, immediately went downstairs to the computer, looked up that phone number that he was talking to and went to the text messages and found thousands of messages between the two of them.

There were many messages coming in in the middle of the night. There’s sometimes me, 20 or 30 messages coming in. And then eventually my son would respond back. And I think he probably felt at that moment, you know, this is somebody in a position of authority. I better respond back. And it was a baseball coach. So you would then eventually see some messages going back. But then what I did is I printed off about three weeks worth. Three weeks worth of those messages, which ended up being about a quarter of an inch thick, and took it to the principal the next morning.

And I said, I think we have a problem. And he sat back in this chair, just exasperated. And the first thing he said was, I just gave him a teacher’s award two weeks ago. Yeah. And so I think he thought already in his head, he knew. Right. But he couldn’t really do anything, really, at that point, other than he said he was going to meet with the two of them and kind of get to the bottom of it. And I think at this point, my son thought, okay, this is going to end now my mom knows, and it’s just done.

Was there sexual. Leaving me alone. Was there sexual texts in those that the court. Oh, yeah. Okay, so give us that. Okay. There was. When I looked at this, though, it’s just like your cell phone bill. It’s just the phone numbers back and forth. There’s no verbiage. Oh, okay. Okay. So I have no idea. Now, also, I was one of those moms. I would take my son’s phone intermittently two or three times a week and look at the messages. Never saw one of over 6,000 messages because my son would delete them when they came in because he knew that I was looking at his phone.

Okay. So when I met with the principal, he said that he’d meet with the two of them, which he did that day. And he goes, I’ll be here all day if you want to come back later this afternoon. And he met with both of them, both denying any wrongdoing, just saying they were normal text messages. And when I met with the principal, I said, so as a mandatory reporter, will you be reporting any of this to the Department of Children and Family Services or DCFS here in Illinois? And he said, well, I have nothing to go on because they’re both denying any wrongdoing.

He’s like, we are writing him up for texting him out of hours of the school. He goes, but there’s really nothing more I can do because you’re Andrew’s mom. You can do whatever you want. If you want to file a DCFS report, file one. And he said it to me four different ways in that conversation. Telling me, telling you to go do it. Yeah, Right, File it. Yeah. He said, if you need a place for them to meet, they can meet here. We’ll free up one of the conference rooms. Like, he was doing everything he could to tell me to do this, right? So I left there, and before I even called my parents or my husband or anybody, I went to the church and I went and talked to a pastor.

And I wasn’t really. I wasn’t attending church at the time and met with this pastor at a Presbyterian church that grew up Presbyterian. So I’m like, I’m gonna go there and see if he’ll meet with me. Told him what was going on. He said, listen, this is out of your hands. You need to. To turn this in. Because, you know, when you sit there and you think about all this, right? Look, is this somebody’s livelihood? This is their life. Is this something that I’m really seeing? Is this something I’m really feeling? Is it just a mom’s intuition? Or am I just crazy? Right? So I actually said I sat on it and prayed about it for about a week.

And then I finally called and called DCFS and did a report. Now, they’re supposed to be out within 24 hours. That didn’t happen either. So six days later, when they still hadn’t come out, I called the local office and they said, well, the woman, your filos on vacation, she’ll be back Monday. And this was a Wednesday. Now, Again, this is 13 years ago. So these are things that you just don’t forget how things played out. But me being me, I called the director of Illinois at the state at the Department of Children Family Services. She actually answered the phone and I told her what was going on.

I could hear her typing in the background. And she said, they should have been out within 24 hours. You filed this six days ago. I said, I’m aware. That’s why I’m calling you. And gave her the information that I got from the local office. And she said, someone will be out there today, and if they’re not there today, I want you to give me a call back. So I get a call back from the office locally. They said they couldn’t really get anybody out till 8 o’ clock the next morning, which I thought was perfect for me because I could offload my patients.

I was working at an outpatient clinic. I could give my son A heads up that this is happening instead of them coming in blindly. And I get a call. Then I actually called the director back, left a voicemail this time, told her what was going on. And then I got a call about 10 minutes later from the school saying that DCFS was on her way. So she must have called them and said, no, you’re going to get someone there today. And by the time I got there, I only work five minutes away from the school. And so by the time I got there, they already had my son in a conference room with one of the counselors from the school.

So I didn’t even get to talk to my son prior to him going in there. I didn’t get a chance to be in there when they questioned him. And when I walked in, I took those papers with me with the text messages on it. And she said, you know, I’m not sure why it was so imperative for us to come out today. She said, you know, this just seems like benign text messaging. I said, really? I said, these are just three weeks worth of messages. And she looked at the numbers and how many messages there were.

She was like, oh, so, yeah, that’s been going on since May. I said, so here’s the thing. I said, even if you think it’s benign text messaging, it’s up to you to actually research that and look through it. And I kind of berated her for making me feel bad for calling her. And I just, you know, this might not be the worst thing that you’ve ever seen, but this is the worst thing I’m going through right now. Don’t ever make a parent feel like this. And so left there, and at this point, we have no texts at all.

My son’s denying any wrongdoing. So I start doing some research, and I find a detective in Will county in Joliet, which is about 20 minutes away from where I live. And his main job is just pulling deleted messages off of devices, emails, whatever, because our phones are mini computer. So I’m like, these messages have to be in there somewhere. So I ended up getting a hold of our detective, and because of chain of custody, I had to get him the phone for him to take to Joliet. So I let my son have his phone through the weekend again on a Sunday night.

I told him, you know, I need your phone tomorrow. I said, I found something. Get those messages off the phone. And his face just went green, and he wouldn’t look at me. I said, is there something you need to tell me? He goes, I can’t tell you, he said, I’ll talk to the detective and the principal tomorrow. So I gave the principal a heads up and at that moment with that gut check, and this is something I think is very imper important for parents to understand as I had a very heartfelt conversation my son about suicide because I never, I didn’t know where he was mentally right.

And so I’m like, I had to have that conversation, let him know that his life was worth it and that nothing is ever worth taking his life over. In that he meant the world to me and I would be there to support him no matter what. So a very difficult conversation to have with a 16 year old. That being said, I sat up most of the night keeping visual over his room, making sure he was okay. Did you feel like he was going to. Did you have a sense? No, but he was depressed. Like he was very depressed.

And again, you don’t know where his friends are going to say. He had a great group of friends, but I mean, where are they going to sit on all this when this comes out, right? What are other parents going to think? So we had that conversation too. I said, it doesn’t matter what other people think. And you know, and letting him know that, you know, I raised him to be a strong, independent person and that, that never changes no matter what happens. And so we, after we had that conversation, he went to bed and the next morning he met with the principal and the detective and they had him in the office for about three hours.

And the principal came out and he goes, you were spot on with what you were thinking. And he said, we’re open up our own DCFS investigation at this time. And he said, but Andrew wants to talk to you himself and tell you what was going on. And we gave him some tools to do that. But I’ll be here all day if you want to come back. And he’s excused for the day. So we went home and my son then proceeded to tell me that this teacher wanted to make a sex video with him, put it all in text message and would refer to his body part as my little guy.

I’m never going to get to see the little guy. And just a few other random things. So I go back to the school and I meet with the teacher and he says, so what did he tell you? And I told him, he goes, he really didn’t even tell you the worst part of it. And I think my son was just embarrassed to even tell me this, but he’d offered him money for oral sex. Five hundred then A thousand, then fifteen hundred dollars. My son kept refusing and told him to leave him alone. Did he ever do anything? No, he wouldn’t be sitting here if he did.

You wouldn’t be sitting here if you. I’d be in prison. Oh, okay. That’s fair. Yeah, that’s a fair. So I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the movie A Time to Kill, but I would not. I like the one with Will. What? Niam. What is the name? Leeson. Liam Neeson. Where he went out and found his daughter and, you know. Right. Skills. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah. So I. I was just totally floored and taken aback at that point. Now they put the page. The. The teacher on paid administrative leave because of the unions.

Right. They have to continue to pay him until he is proven guilty. So he’s on paid administrative leave. And based off what my son said, this guy still wasn’t indicted. Our detective asked for a subpoena for this teacher’s cell phone and first computer, and it got denied by our state’s attorney. We live in the county seat, by the way, so the courthouse is right here. Most of the people that work at the courthouse live in Morris. A lot of their kids go to these schools. So I couldn’t believe that actually got denied. So anyway, they have the phone for about probably two or three months.

And Apple had just an upgrade. So this guy was having a hard time getting the messages off the phone, and Apple doesn’t have to help with that. So all of these cell phone carriers do not have to help with any of this. Even with a subpoena. They’ll drag their feet. Even if it’s my phone. It wasn’t my son’s phone. I’m paying the bill. It’s in my name. So that’s another bill I’m going to be working on later. So that they have to actually help jurisdictions in these cases. So they couldn’t get the message off the phone.

The detective takes the phone down to the Illinois State Police. They have the phone then from another. Another four or five months. So we’re almost a full year after me overhearing that conversation. Teacher’s still getting paid. They have the cell phone. Nothing’s happening. He’s not. They knew about the sex proposition and he was still employed at the school. Well, they had. He was on paid administrative leave, so he was not working, but they had to keep paying him. I would think the sex proposition would be an immediate dismissal and immediate because they didn’t have anything. They have no proof.

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Remember to use the code Sarah to save 10%. So at this point, I have a friend now who has. Her husband’s a Secret Service agent and we start talking about this and she said, you need to meet our other friend who’s actually on a pedophile task force with the Secret Service. So for those of you who don’t know when the Secret Service isn’t serving and protecting the President, they will actually help local jurisdictions with cases. So this guy’s on a pedophile task force here in Illinois. I meet with him, give him the story, and he said, michelle, they just want you to go away.

This is too much work. For just one kid. I’m like, but it’s my kid. He goes, yep. You have to keep reminding them of that. He goes, you stay going into that. That state’s attorney’s office, and you keep going back. You let them know you’re an educated woman. You are not going anywhere. You want to fight for your son. He goes, I’m gonna give you two business cards. He said, I want you to keep one for yourself. Give one to the state’s attorney. Tell them if they don’t have the messages off the phone the next seven days, you’re going to turn over the feds.

He goes, I’ll have them off there in 15 minutes. Okay. So I did that, and we had the messages back three days later. Which leads me to believe that they had the messages the whole time. That’s right. So we end up, my husband and I, who’s my son’s stepfather, we go and meet with two assistant states attorneys at the courthouse. We’re in this huge courthouse and in this room and conference room with a huge table, they’re on one side, we’re on the other, and there’s a stack of papers sitting in front of them. And the older gentleman said, you know, I just don’t think that we have enough to go on.

There’s too many gaps in the transcripts. You know, if there was just another kid that maybe this happened to. Wait a minute. They said they didn’t have enough a go on. Was there any sexual propositions and stuff in those transcripts? Well, at this point, I hadn’t seen anything. Right. Okay. So I looked at them and I said, are those the messages right there? And they said, yes. I said, can I look at them? And they both looked at each other like they weren’t expecting that. You know, they give each other’s weird look. I said, well, here’s the thing, guys.

I said, that’s my property and so is the phone. If you’re doing nothing with them, I’m leaving with both of them today. So they let me read the messages, and I start flipping through, and everything’s in there where he want to make a video, the money. There’s gaps. There’s tons of gaps in the transcripts. There’s no doubt about that. But everything is in there. He referred to his body part as my little guy asks if he’s ever gonna get to see the little guy ask when the kissing begins. Like all of this stuff. And my son, the entire time is, you don’t leave me alone.

He kept asking to be Left alone, right? Yes. Kept going. Okay. Yes. Please stop. So that’s all in the text messages, too. And so at, you know, up until this point, Sarah, like, I’ve never really. I’ve never been in trouble with the law. Right. I’m following their lead. I’m doing what they’re asking. You didn’t do anything wrong. I’m pretty pretty. I mean, you met me. I’m kind of pretty. Just even keeled. Right. But after I re. Read those messages, push them back very slowly. And I slammed my hands on the table, and I stood up like, you have got to be kidding me.

There may or may not have been an expletive in there, but I actually then looked at the older guy. I said, you have kids that go to this school. You’re okay with this guy? Or grandkids going to school. You’re okay with this guy teaching your grandkids? And I looked at the younger guys. You don’t have kids who are going to be going to this school. You’re okay with this guy teaching your kids? And they’re like, ma’, am, you need to. You need to calm down. I’m like, I do not need to calm down. You need to do your job.

And then he said again, he goes, if there was just another kid. I said, oh, because one’s not enough. I said, this one is my kid, and I will not stop fighting for him until that guy is behind bars. Was there any logic behind the pattern? They wanted a pattern of behavior. If you do it with one kid, that’s not enough. No. Any. They just were trying to brush it off or. Yeah. No logic. Yeah. And that’s how I came up with this logo here, the mama bear logo. Like, you don’t look like this little mama bear at the cub crawling behind you when you’re fighting for your kids.

I mean, this is literally what I was like. I don’t ever remember yelling so loud in my entire life. And turned into a different person. Don’t you. Oh, my gosh. It was so crazy. So crazy. And my husband started kicking me on the table. I’m like, you kicked me one more time, I’m kicking you out that door. All three of them looked at you like, what are we dealing with now? Right? Yeah, it was crazy. And so I asked to speak with the actual state’s attorney because up until this point, I hadn’t met with him again almost a year later.

That said, of course he was busy. So I called back at 801 the next morning. I said, I need to Meet with the state’s attorney, told him who I was. Well, he’s busy today. I said, that’s fine. I’m coming in, I’m picking up everything, and I’m going to take to the Illinois State’s Attorney’s office, who was Lisa Madigan at the time, and she was working on some trafficking stuff that I had heard. So I’m like, okay, maybe we’ll take it to her office. And so about 15 minutes later, I get a call back from the actual state’s attorney, said he could meet with me that afternoon.

So I printed off an article where he said he came back to Grundy county to protect the kids and families of Grundy County. Took that with me. He said that he wasn’t really sure what was going on with my case. I said, that’s a problem. I said, you went to this high school. We live in the county seat, and we’re almost a year into this. You have no idea what’s going on with this case. I said, I’ve heard that, though, about you, that you really don’t know what’s going on. And I said, I know that there’s other.

Four other subpoenas of child abuse cases that the police have been waiting on for over six months that these they haven’t gotten from you. I said, you also denied a subpoena for the cell phone and for the computer for this teacher when this all hinges on text messages. And I set the article down. I said, how about we start doing this? You said, you came back to this county to protect the children and families. Let’s start doing this. So that’s what I fired. A little tumultuous relationship between the two of us. So he was not happy with me, of course, as I was there.

But then the next day, the detective called me. He said, what did you tell him? Because he knew I was meeting with him. I told him. He goes, we just got four subpoenas we’ve been waiting on. I said, well, I also brought those up. I said, so I said, I’m glad I could help you with these other cases, but I’m still getting nowhere with mine. And so we go on. Nothing is happening. Nothing’s happening. And months later, the principal calls me back. He said, michelle, I need to meet with you. I said, okay. So I go in there, and he said, I have been trying to tell the state’s attorney to subpoena his personnel file because there are things in there that they’re going to want to see.

Said, okay. So I Go back down to the state’s attorney’s office. And I waited two hours this time to see him. I think he thought he could wait me out. And I waited there until the end of the day. He finally came out and got me. And I said, you know, the principal called me and said that there’s stuff in the personnel file that you’re going to want to see, so could you get a subpoena for that? And he’s like, what could possibly be in there that we need? I said, what skin is it off of your back? Can you just get it? So he subpoenas the personnel file, and the attorneys at the school won’t release it to him until I come down to sign off on it.

And they use the HIPAA law stating my so a minor, his name is all over this. Now, the principal had been a counselor before, and so this was a meeting he had with the teacher. Right? When all of this happens, was the teacher, the union rep, and the superintendent. And he flat out asked him, did you ever offer Andrew money for oral sex? Did you want to make a sex video? Did you refer to his body part as my little guy? And he said, he put his head down, shook his head in affirmation and said, yes.

And he signed it. I’m like, we got him. Wow, right? So I sign off on this, I give the principal a big hug, I go down to the state’s attorney’s office and told him what was in there. He said, why they let you see it? It? I said, because the HIPAA law and my son’s a minor and his name is all over it. He’s like, they didn’t have to do that. And I said, honestly, I think they let me see it because they knew how much trouble I was having down here with you as my attorney and that you were doing nothing.

And if I didn’t see what was in there, then I would have never known it was in there. So I’m gonna tell you right now, if he’s not arrested the next seven days, I’m gonna have every major news station on your front lawn. So he waited the full seven days before he indicted him. And he then we went status hearing after status hearing for months. And so in 2012, we voted in a new state’s attorney who was a Republican. Now, this shouldn’t matter, right? This should be a non partisan issue because we all have children. Yes, but for some reason it has turned into a partisan issue.

And so we get this new state’s attorney in. In January, the detective Meets with him and said, hey, you need to work this case right away. It’s been hanging out there for about two and a half years. So he meets with me and my husband and my son. He said, I think we’re gonna have to take a plea deal. He’s like, it’s just been so long. They’re going to say that you can’t remember everything. There’s gaps in the transcripts. I am livid. Livid. And now if he takes a plea deal, he continues to teach. He doesn’t have to register as a sex offender.

He pays a fine. It’s a slap in the hand. That’s it. So we go to court in August of 2013, and the month is important because he then at that point says that he decided. And they told me that this never happened. So by the grace of God, and God is the only way that all of this has happened, he decides he wants to take it to trial. Now, we have three judges in Grand County. We had the only Republican judge on our case. This judge lit him up, lit up his attorney and said, you know, we could have gone to court this summer and gotten a trial this summer.

This young man’s home from school, because at this point, my son’s 19 now. He’d already done his first year of college, so he’s going to school in New Jersey at the time. And so the next time that they go to court and go to trial would be October, So we’d have to bring him back home from school. So the judge tells them that and said, you’ve dragged this family through the mud for two and a half years. We could have ended this all this summer. And then the attorney then says, you know, I have a prepaid vacation the week before.

I don’t think I’ll be ready to go to trial. That Monday, the judge said, you’ve had two and a half years to get ready. We’re going to. We’re going to trial. That money. So I suggest you be ready before you go on vacation. And, like, he gave them no wiggle room at that point. I. I’m. You know, if you’ve never been in a courthouse or a courtroom like that, like, you can’t show any emotion. I wanted to scream hallelujah. Because this judge was saying things that I’ve been wanting to say for two years to these people.

You finally had someone who was like a ethical person. Yes. And not only that, but actually stating it out loud. Right. So we leave there, and then the state’s attorney and his first Assistant meet with me and my husband and my son and said, hey, there’s a new law that just came into play in Illinois in July of 2013. So it was signed into law in 2012. And in Illinois they become law and become effective and active either in January or July of the next year. So just In July of 2013, a grooming law became, you know, went into play and whatever.

What? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. So he said, everything that’s in this law is everything. They did it to you and your family and this community. He said, we’re going to go after it, but there’s no precedent set. There’s no other convictions in the United States, but we’re going to go after it and see what we get. Now that alone I, from my understanding, takes a lot of guts to try to go after something that has no precedent set because unfortunately our law has become instead of constitutional law, it’s all becomes, you know, law based on precedence.

So I’m just like. Anyway. And at the time I didn’t really understand all of that. So we went to court and again, to back up a little bit. So for people who don’t know what grooming is, so you have normal grooming where you groom someone to be a CEO of a company, right? You groom your kids to be of good moral character. This is unlawful grooming whereby somebody who is older is trying to gain the trust of somebody younger in hopes of doing something nefarious to them. And in most cases it’s to have sex with that child.

So they don’t only groom the child though. They, they groom the family, they groom the community. Like I said, this principal said he just gave him a teacher’s award, right? So he was grooming the entire school. He would volunteer for everything. They thought he was the great guy. Like nobody would ever think they could ever do this. I was a colleague of his coaching. I was a healthcare provider in his home. I don’t think he ever thought that I would do anything. And I always tease that he had the right kid, he had the wrong family.

Because my son is very kind hearted. He’s. He, he will do anything for anybody. And I taught him that that’s what you should do. Right? But there’s a boundary. Yes. You have to have boundaries. And so that was another lesson learned. And then having my son in counseling, we all went to counseling right out of the gate trying to figure out, you know, how to walk through all of this. So anyway, we go to court in October of 2013 and we got a conviction of solicitation of a minor and the very first unlawful grooming conviction in the United States.

The very first standalone unlawful dreaming conviction. So he ended up appealing, and the solicitation was removed, but the grooming stuck. And I don’t even know why they would given him appeal for solicitation. Because he offered him money and. But it didn’t stick. They took that away. Why? When he offered him money. And that was clear proof, but whatever. Right. And my son, you know, went back to school, and just. Just to let you guys know, I mean, it didn’t end there. My son was spiraling out of control. He felt guilty that he cost this guy his job.

Right. Like, when these people are good at what they’re doing, they make the child feel very. That’s right. Bad for them. Right. So my son’s like, he lost his job because of me. He lost his livelihood because of me. He went to school for nothing. Right. So he can’t teach anymore. And kept blaming himself. And it took a long time to get him to understand that. That he was the victim in all of this and that that teacher was responsible for everything. Yeah. And also, years later, I end up meeting up with the victim advocate that we had, and she let me know because she asked how Andrew was doing and told her he wasn’t doing that great.

And she said, you need to let him know something. She. There was another soccer coach here who lives in the same town where this. This teacher lived and was coaching, like, travel soccer for kids 10 and under. And this guy had abused two of them and is still doing time in federal prison. But the person who came to bail him out was this teacher. Really? So there has to be some sort of ring or something going on in that area. Right. They were both volunteer firemen in the town. So, I mean, they were. And they. And the fact that he would.

They were trying to support him. There was some kind of support structure behind that, because how did they drag their feet for so long? So now, are you still the only one that won a grooming case in the United States? To this day, no. But when I. So I went to a reawaken event in Nashville in January of 2023, and I was at a VIP dinner, like, the day before. I was just with another friend who was speaking and met a woman named Amy Coelho. She’s a trafficking investigator and a paralegal, and she was telling us some cases she was working on.

One of them was the most recent case that just finished in November of 2022. And it was the Usto Mundo case, and it’s a, it’s on Netflix right now. It’s a documentary, but it’s a church cult where the women in the church prepare the kids in the church for the men in the church. And it took her 10 years to get this guy busted. And she tried to get him. The women prepped the kids for the men. Yes. Oh God, yes. And mainly for the head guy. And that’s who they had, that’s who they convicted. She goes, we couldn’t even get them on trafficking.

We couldn’t get them on grooming, we couldn’t get them on any of that stuff. So they got him on child abuse, which would have meant like three years. She had nine Jane Does. They only let three of them testify. And the reason this is important in telling all this history is like, what’s coming next? So in that they also busted 23 different sex trafficking cells between Mexico and California. Now this church is in like, I think 74 different countries and it’s a church cult. So they ended up in a courtroom though, where it was a Trump appointed judge.

And even though this guy had taken a plea deal and they, they pled him down to like three years of child abuse so he’d do three years in prison. The judge said, you know, you can do whatever you want with all the plea deals and all the plea bargaining you want. But I get final saying this, he gave him 18 years, so he’s still in prison. Good. And then she was telling about another couple cases. One of them was a Larry Nassar gymnast. And so in my head I’m like, I’m going to tell her about my measlyl case here.

From Illinois, right? So I start to tell her about my case and she goes, hold on, are you from Illinois? And I said yes. And she goes, when was that? I said 2013. I said, he was actually sentenced in January of 2014. And she got tears in her eyes and she said, I need to get a picture with you and send this to my team. I’m like, what are you talking about? She goes, we use your case for every trafficking case we bust, including all the ones I just told you about, because we have to prove the grooming in order to prove the trafficking.

And you have the only standalone grooming conviction in the United States now. This is 10 years later. I was a hot mess, Sarah. Like, we were both crying literally five days before that. I was praying and I was laying in bed to like three in the afternoon. Like, God, is anything I’m doing Making a difference because I was going to the schools pushing back against the COVID nonsense and the masking of our kids because I didn’t have kids in school anymore, so I was safe. They couldn’t come after my children. Right. But I was going to all these schools with a posy of like 10 of us pushing back.

And then five days later, God’s like, here, let me show you how great I am. And puts Amy in front of me to tell me that story. I was a mess. Well, you probably both needed each other. You know, you just kind of. Oh, yeah, you really. It. It does feel like you’re working in a black hole. And so it’s so good. It shows what, what somebody who sticks to it, what difference you can make. It’s 10 years, though, or eight years before cases. When was the first one she was able to convict off of your grooming case? So, man, I don’t know.

She’d use it for years. And so I asked her that, I said, so if you’re using this for all of your cases, she goes, oh, no, no, no, you don’t understand. She goes, everybody in the United States is using your case because there is not another one. So anybody who is but doing trafficking cases is using your case. But isn’t there another one? All of her trafficking, she. All of these ones that follow, wouldn’t they add to it? Why is you’re still the only one? So up until October 2023, we had the only one. And then there was another guy here in Illinois that was convicted of grooming because.

And Amy thought that the reason was that they were taking plea deals and they were getting out that way. So a plea bargaining down from grooming. And. But then I also asked her, I said, so if you guys are using this, I said, could they have used this with the Galain Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein trial? And she goes, I’d have to look the case file. She goes, michelle, they have nothing else to use it had to have used your case. So to even think we had a hand and maybe like one of the most prolific pedophiles of our time is like, so surreal.

Sarah, I can’t even explain to you. And it all stemmed back to those three years of hell waiting on God to wait for that. Grooming law in Illinois, right? When you step back and you look at it and you think that you’re in this black hole by yourself, you’re not God. Walking through me, through that the whole way with me. And we had to wait for that, that to become law for this to ever go forward. Otherwise he’s off on a. On a plea deal, right? He’s off on whatever. So the fact that we then had this grooming law and had to wait for all of that to actually transpire, and the whole way, God, building me up and preparing me for this time right now law, right? So knowing how important that was.

And then Amy’s like, we need to get a law put in place, because I want to call it Andrew’s Law, whereby somebody who’s charged with. With grooming cannot take a plea deal. And so she’s like, I want you to write the mission statement for that. I’m like, I’m a physical therapist. Do I need to remind you of that? She goes, I know, but I want it to come from you. So I created a mission statement, and she created a skeleton bill off of that. And then we took it a step further here in Illinois. So I have a repair Rep, Jed Davis, and a Senator Sue Resin.

So we made it so that somebody charged with grooming and or trafficking would not be allowed a plea bargain. And I asked them to expand the sex offender registry to include places of businesses that are privately owned. I ended up seeing this teacher working at the mall when they went to go get a lab coat. I started walking into the store when he was working two years later, and he was at the counter. And it took me by surprise. So I kind of circled around and like, went back and then started just watching him from the mall.

And he’s leaning on the counter looking out into the mall, and there’s one of those little children’s play areas right there, 60ft from where he’s working. I’m like, how is this even legal? But because that place is privately owned, it’s not part of the sex offender registry. It’s like, they can’t go within 500ft of a school. They can’t go into federal parks or state parks, but they can go and work at a private place. So that includes places like Chuck E. Cheese, Dave and Busters, Six Flags. Literal playgrounds for these people. Right. So I asked him, I said, can we include an expansion of the sex offender registry then to include places of businesses that are privately owned, that cater all or in part to children? So now we include movie theaters, libraries, all of those sorts of things.

Has that been passed anywhere? No. So it’s sitting in committee. Has sat in committee for two years. And I found out from somebody who is on the inside that they were told to stand down and not call it for vote, and So I asked, I said, so would that have been our governor, J.B. pritzker, who asked for that to be not called for vote or who? She’s like, it was either Pritzker or it was the speaker of the House. And I said, my bets on Pritzker because their family’s intimately involved in this. Right? His cousin Tom Pritzker, who is the CEO of Hyatt Hotels, is in Jeffrey Epstein’s black book under 13 different phone numbers on page 45.

And his son Tom Jr. Is on the page before that under 13 different phone numbers. So if you have somebody who’s complicit and involved in this, they’re going to tell you to stand down and not call it for votes. So in the meantime, going back to Amy, I then talked to General Flynn at the Reawaken. He introduced me to Mary Flynn o’, Neill, who is the CEO of America’s Future. And they’re going around the country doing summits about trafficking and anti trafficking and how to fight all of that. So she introduces me to a paralegal out of Florida, because that’s where they live.

So we wanted to start in Florida and we’re going to call it Andrew’s Law. And so the paralegal starts looking at the criminal code, realizes very soon that there’s no grooming law in Florida law. So then we took a step back and we went and did research. The only state that had a grooming law in place was Illinois. So this is why there were no grooming convictions, because no other state had a grooming law in place. So then Allie Hopper really started working hard, knocking on doors in Tallahassee, talking to the reps and senators there. I went down and did a presentation at one of the events that they had there.

One of the senators who sponsored this bill took me in the back room. He said, I want you to tell me your whole story. So I told him. And he had been a. A pastor and then became a representative. He’s like, I’m in. So he was all in. Sponsored this bill. They got it to pass in Florida in April of last year. It was signed into law. And then soon after that, I started working with Mark Thompson, who I was introduced to by Emily Peterson, who is a mama bear from Iowa, who’d got the masks off her kids in Iowa through the governor and worked with Mark Thompson.

Allie Hopper got the law passed then in Iowa, and that passed, passed 100% on both sides of the aisle. The House and the Senate sign into law again last April. Arizona then Started having an issue. They reached out to Florida and Iowa and looked at all three laws. They then now have a law in Arizona as of, I think, May of last year. And then there was a mom in Georgia who had been trying to get a law passed because her daughter was groomed and subsequently abused by a YMCA gymnastics coach. She’d been trying for three years to get a grooming law pass in Georgia and was unsuccessful.

But after these three passed, she tried again because they just passed, then they pass it in Georgia. So last year we had Florida, Iowa, Arizona and Georgia. And then just this year we have Louisiana. And then my cousin, after hearing me speak on some podcasts and talking about the bark phone. The bark app, which is an app or a phone that you can have your kids text messages going into your phone and you can set up for certain keywords or all text messages, whatever, so you can see what your kids are texting in and out. And had I had something like that, I would have seen these messages coming in right from the beginning.

So my cousin put it on her, bought her daughter a bark phone who was 13. She was on subsequently being groomed by somebody on Snapchat who lived in Iowa and took it to her. I said, take it to your police station. And then she ended up taking to the sheriff because both of them told her she just needed to essentially be a better parent. I said, take it to your local FBI. So she takes it there. That guy had been trained by icac, which is Internet Crimes Against Children. He then researched the phone, found that it was coming from somebody in Iowa.

And so I said, you need to get a representative there in Montana to sponsor this bill. So her boyfriend’s cousin is a Democrat. Rep. Had just had a baby as a. Go to her and talk to her. So she was all behind us 100. But she wasn’t in the right committee. And she did what was supposed to be happening in this country all over is she then gives it across the aisle to a representative who she knew would take the bill and was in the proper committee. And they got to pass in Montana 100% House and Senate, both sides of the aisle.

And so that’s perfect because it was a nonpartisan and a Democrat brought it forward. That’s right. And it’s, It’s. We shouldn’t think that Democrats are against this. That’s right. I mean, it’s just. It’s not partisan people. It’s not not. It’s not perfect. And the best part of the Montana bill and this should be model legislation. For the entire country, it’s 100 years in prison. If somebody who is 16 or under or, sorry, 12 and under, getting groomed by somebody 18 years of old, age of older, 100 years in prison, no chance of parole for the first 25.

And it’s a lifelong satellite surveillance. If they get out at that 25 year mark, and if it’s somebody being groomed who is 16 years of age or younger, between 16 and 13, it’s between four and 100 years in prison. Same things apply. So they did a whole no nonsense thing, and it’s a lifelong silent surveillance if they get convicted and charged with grooming. That’s excellent. Well, okay, so I saw your presentation, and I was absolutely. I mean, everybody hearing this is, this woman is doing amazing work. And I said, you know what? I need to hook Melissa up with Mike, because I know Mike is doing some things that I think can help the country.

He’s been been making huge progress with a group of people on helping children from the grooming perspective of transgender. And there’s an intersect here, and it’s a little broader, I think, when you start looking at this. Mike, how did you two. When you first met, how did you two meet? I mean, I know how you met, but I just said how you met. But what did you guys talk about? And how are you working together to make a difference and progress this forward? You know, I first, I want to say it’s the Mama Bears that are going to save this country because they don’t understand and are unwilling to accept the reasons that the system gives why their children shouldn’t be protected.

And part of the reason, I think, by Michelle, I can’t speak for you, but I’m just gonna kind of try to summarize a little bit, and then why don’t you add to it, Michelle, in whatever way you think is appropriate as far as how we, you know, are working together. I think for any parent listening, particularly the Mama Bears, it’s got to be shocking to you to think that all along you must have thought your children were protected by laws that should protect them against this kind of thing, and they’re not. The laws aren’t in place.

The systems are not even functioning in an appropriate, timely manner. As Michelle’s example has illustrated, we are calling for the formation of a coalition that would bring an end to that phenomenon. We’re starting with the transing of minors, and all of the transing of minors begins with grooming. So we view people who are trans not as adversaries, but as victims of this kind of a system, Especially children. Especially children. We’re, we’re not talking about people who are adults here. What we’re talking about is that anybody who’s A minor under 18 years old should not be maneuvered by the system into being mutilated in an irreversible way.

And the whole world pretty much is in agreement with that view, except places like Minnesota, California, Bornia, Colorado and so forth. And a lot of kids go, and a lot of people travel here and to those other states because of that. And people don’t realize this is a nationwide issue because it be. It becomes a funnel. It becomes a funnel. And so you know what, what we’re saying is if we form this coalition of states, a child that would come to Minnesota from South Dakota to get gender affirming care, you know, if, if the, if the authorities in South Dakota found out who that was, we’re saying they would have a right to arrest the perpetrators.

If they were found in the borders of South Dakota. And if, let’s say South Dakota, North Dakota and Iowa were part of this coalition and someone went to North Dakota and they were found out, they would be extradited to South Dakota. So all we’re claiming is that the people in the coalition states have a right to protect their children from this kind of thing. And states like Minnesota that are ignoring the laws of South Dakota and saying, come here if you’re a minor, that’s a violation of Article 4 of the U. S. Constitution. The states are supposed to respect each other’s laws.

And like the. What Melissa’s doing in these other states, the states that are sanctuary cities for transgender, do they even entertain the idea of these grooming laws that Melissa. Sorry. I’m sorry, Michelle. I’m sorry. It happens all the time. It’s funny. I don’t know why I called you that. Is there any, any states that are. That. Do they completely just dismiss it or is there is that attitude the same? Do you know what I’m saying? Well, yes. I mean, the, the right to groom a child to become trans. And they have things happening. I think Michelle would confirm this as early as kindergarten where they’re discussing gender.

They do it at age six. I mean, I had a father on the show whose kid was. And then by age 12, he had a. They had a patch in his arm so that he wouldn’t go into puberty. And that father was just like, what the heck? And he didn’t have a choice. So it seems these states are not. But are they not Michelle, are they not listening to the grooming either when it comes to pedophile type behavior? And I mean, how much is this connected? That’s what I’m trying to say. No, they’re not. And the thing of it is, is people don’t realize, like, so I, I talk about my son, right? It’s almost like he’s not like this real person.

Do you know what I’m saying? Like, they don’t see him talking. They don’t see how it affected him. So when I, when I do presentations, I have pictures of him. That’s why that video is so important to show that we showed at the beginning, because it lets people see that he’s a real person, that this did affect him. You know, you saw he said in the video, he’s like, I didn’t want to get in trouble. That’s why I didn’t say anything. You know, so these feelings are real. All of this is real. And also I wanted to just express too, like, when in Florida, they tried to make it look like it wasn’t an LGBTQ issue, right? And it wasn’t.

We had Gays Against Groomers come out in support of our, of our bill in Florida. They’re victims, too, in this. Bs. Go ahead. They are victims in this. And we want to protect their children too. You know, we don’t want their kids being sexually abused when, you know, be at any time. But, like, I don’t even know how you, how you even think that abusing a child who is, you know, five years old, I don’t get it. You know, I mean, these people are so depraved. So I think that’s part of it too. And then all the while, really, just don’t forget to pray for those folks too.

Pray for their salvation because they are so lost in all of this. But this is a huge problem. Like, I’ve been working with a senator out of Indiana for two years on this. Indiana has a super majority Republican. He was putting it through as a misdemeanor. Like, what are you doing? First of all, you have a super majority. Secondly, they want to have sex with children. Why are you putting this through? Yeah, why is this? See, I think that the, the transgender stuff is actually attack on gays too, in a lot of ways. Because, and I’ve heard gay people say this because they’re like, we’re not in supportive of hurting people like this.

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Right. I do think, though, you know, we’ve all heard, though, that the plus and the LGBTQ plus is to leave that open for other things. Right, Such as, you know, sex with children, minors, what it is. Yes. Right, yes. But that again, goes back to. That’s not. That’s not fair to the gay community because they don’t want that either. They’re not having sex with children. You know, like they’re putting all that together and they’re lumping it to get the power of that constituency. Right. They’re using that to get that power, I think is what’s happening. But, Mike, what are you seeing when you start talking to people? Do they immediately push back and say, you’re just a bigot? No, actually, what we found is that it’s almost universal.

We’ve never talked to a single person who says that children should be trans. On both sides, right? On both sides, yes. I see. Think so, too, yeah. Yeah. And that’s why we’re starting the coalition on the trans issues, to have the broadest base possible for protecting children. So the coalition would put legal teeth, real teeth, into the enforcement of these laws. But what it would also do, and this is, I think, where Michelle’s cause can benefit. We’re going to add an article to the Cornerstone standard. Right now. There’s only one article which is about, you know, how we are against the transing of minors.

The second article is going to be about Grooming. And the article is going to. Essentially, the way the cornerstone standard works is that it unmasks the cloaking language that these individuals use to use euphemisms. You know, this is gender affirming care. When it’s really child mutilation. And once you call it. Yeah, go ahead. No, I was going to say. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. I was going to say Michelle’s grooming president can be used. It really needs to be used for this purpose because it is the cornerstone, like you call it cornerstone. It is a cornerstone of everything that they’re doing when it comes to transgender.

Yeah. And so that’s why it’s so important that you work together. I’m sorry, keep going, Mike, with what you were saying. Yeah. So the idea of the, of the cornerstone standard is that we have one article around which the coalition forms to create this legal law enforcement framework protecting children in the coalition states. And it would work like I described it. But then when we, the way the articles are written, we call it what it is. It’s child mutilation. Once you name something correctly, the course of action becomes very clear. Gender affirming care. What’s not to like? We want affirm gender.

Right. All the language, but stupid. Yeah. If it’s really. If child mutilation. Ah, now we can see. If you mutilate a child, it is a serious crime. All of the things that the coalition wants to do follows from that. And then grooming, hey, Michelle is going to help us write the grooming article. She’s going to be the person leading that piece of it. And once the articles are written stating the principles around which everyone is in agreement, then the laws can proliferate much more rapidly across the coalition states. The kinds of laws that Michelle is calling for can be rapidly brought about to the point where the coalition states, I believe at one point will.

Will legislate in unison. They will come together. They will say, look, and this is a key constitutional point. The states have the right to legislate in, in whatever way they deem possible, necessary under the Constitution to protect their own children. The federal government does not have the right to pass a law in Washington and say to the people in the states, you have to let your. Your children be trans if they want to be. Washington does not have that right. But framers only gave the federal government specifically enumerated powers, obviously, which the federal government has overrun.

But we need to draw a line. And General Flynn talks about this in the sand and say, you know, the coalition states represent a constitutional Idea and that is that the states have a sovereignty where they can legislate within their reserved powers to protect their children in whatever way they see fit. And the supremacy clause does not mean that Washington can pass a law and just strike down those state laws. Do that anyway. State rights are so important. And if any people with COVID I think people open their eyes and realize how important state rights are.

But we. This. What I like about the coalition is the, the focus on protecting our children and having a vehicle to, to super hyper drive these laws and articles to protect kids and get it into these different legislations, you know, different states. Yes, I mean that’s what. That’s exactly right. And I think, Michelle, you have just trailblazed a way for others to follow. I mean, you are an absolute star in showing people how this can be done. I know you fumbled into it. That’s the whole thing is when you do something great, you kind of stumble into it like, oh my God, I did this.

And. But it’s, it’s one of the most important things we can do for the soul of our country. Right, Right. What’s more important than protecting our children? Right. And I think it’s too, it’s so important for parents to understand that, you know, do not ever stop fighting for your kids. You know, Amy told me, she’s like, Michelle, you did the one thing that most parents don’t do. You didn’t take no for an answer. She goes, and every time you got told no, you found another way. You’d go a different avenue, you’d open another door. You know what I mean? That was all God.

God opened all of those avenues. Right? But I wasn’t going to give up. And I look back, you know, I, I was a D1 athlete. I played college softball. I feel like God has been preparing me my whole life for this. Right? Like, don’t give up. You’re gonna win. Keep fighting. Always go down swinging. Right? And so that’s. My whole life has been that way. I mean, I drive some people crazy because I just don’t give up. But I just think it’s so important for parents to hear that. Like, another statistic she gave me is that 79 of the kids whose parents fight for them in a situation like this, they will become productive society.

So I think that’s so important to hear. You know, my son, it was long time. Like when I started talking about this again, we both started going back for counseling because I’m like, how do I now deal with an adult going through this? And I’m talking about this. And at one point he looked at me, he’s like, mom, he’s like, you don’t have to keep doing this. You already saved me. I said, okay, Satan. And he looked at me, he’s like, what? I said, what better way would Satan like me to stop saving other children than to use the person I love the most to do it it.

And he was like, okay, so we just have an understanding. Like, I do my thing, he doesn’t really want to hear about it. He’s, you know, he’s using it in his life where he needs to. And you know, eventually one day I think he’ll, he’ll come forward and start speaking, but it’s just not time yet. You know, he, he just turned 31 this summer and I can’t believe that it’s been that long and he’s now an adult, you know, and he’d gone on to become a United States Marine. Like all of those things though this guy wanted to break him, none of that would have happened, you know, I mean, it’s an assault.

It’s not much different than being raped. It’s. Yeah, that’s what, yeah, it’s the same thing. And that’s what people need to understand, right. He assaulted him, essentially. And here in Illinois, because they’re not calling this for a vote, I am trying to go to different counties to see if they’ll sign a resolution to get behind Andrew’s Law here in Illinois and then push the state to call it for votes. I started with my county and they’ve never really heard the whole story. I always tease. This was like the best kept secret here in Grundy county. But I did a presentation, a PowerPoint presentation with them.

And I started off with the, the video from NBC and then at the very end, I showed them a picture of my son as a baby and I said, this is the kid I was fighting for. That was the kid that I brought home from the hospital. Right. Like to give them an idea of why I fought so hard, because they just see this 15 year old kid, then a 19 year old kid and then a US Marine, right? Nope. I fought my baby. Yeah, this is my kid. My baby. My kid. Yeah, that’s exactly right.

Right. And so when I finally brought it all home that way, I had people in, like in our local legislator, legislature in tears. Like they weren’t getting it. Until that point touches everyone. It’s like, how can you not see this? This is so important for our country. If you can’t Protect your kids, you can’t protect your country. Right? And then I said, this explains to you why I’m so passionate now and why I won’t give up, right? Because it’s all, all of this is about the children. You know, when you look at the executive orders that President Trump signed into law during his last admin bill, signed into law against human and child trafficking, no other president has done that.

Executive Order 13818 actually seizes the assets of those who are convicted of trafficking children. He’s taking away their 352 billion dollar a year money supply, which funds the rest of everything they do. It funds the election fraud, it funds the medical fraud, it funds it all. So when you look at it from a 30,000 foot view and you’re like, no wonder they don’t like him because he’s taking away their power. Because he’s protecting the kids. Kids. That’s right. All of this, all of it is about the kids. You know, that’s why the World Economic Forum, like, they’re pushing down about the transgender ideology.

They’re trying. They, they push down about age gap love and minor attractive people. Like, they’re the ones pushing all of this down. And the Pritzker family is all in there. They’re all part of the World Economic Forum. So that’s like, when you look at it and you tie all of these connections together and you bring in Sol Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, you know, and Alfred Kinsey, like, you get all of this in there, like, oh my gosh, they’ve been coming after our kids forever. They’re pedophile. There’s too many pedophiles that are in positions of power. And that is a big, big problem.

And we need to wake up. This needs to be a wake up call. And this transgender stuff is not an accident either. There. This is an attack on our children. But I want to finalize this. Where can people learn more and where can they get involved? Because this is such an inspiration. How do we get this? How can they help push this along? So both of you, please let me know. I do have a website. It’s just my name, Michelle peterson.org it’s Michelle at 2L’s and Peterson is O N michellepeterson.org and I am revamping my website right now.

I have a young kid helping me, so it’s kind of been a little bit slow, but he’s doing a fantastic job. So. But, but on there, all of the, the bills and laws are listed so people can Go on there and pull that off of there. A conviction is on there. So they can look at the conviction. They can look at the. At Andrew’s Law, what we have here in Illinois. So you can use that as a. As a model for that. But they really need to look at the Montana law as a model. And I actually have bipartisan, which makes it beautiful.

Yes. And I have a federal rep who, it’s. Her name is Erin Houchen, and she’s from, like, the Indianapolis area. So she’s looking at that bill in a federal level because right now there is a grooming law, but it’s not a standalone charge, so it has to be charged with something else. So I wrote a bill for her based on the Montana law so that we could have a standalone grooming law at the federal level. So she actually has it in her hands right now, and they’re working that with their lawyers. So hopefully by the end of this next year, we’ll have a standalone grooming law at the federal level as well.

I keep manifesting standing behind President Trump as he’s signing that into law and then handing me the pen. So I’m like, can we please all pray that that happens and that this becomes law and this coalition, I’m really hoping that we put that on there. And then it’s like, it just takes off and, you know, has its own legs and feet, and then it just starts becoming law in every state and I don’t have to work quite so hard. That’s what we need. So, Mike, where can they get. See more of what you’re doing and get involved.

We are. We can be found@cornerstone standard.com and there’s an opportunity for people to read the declaration that we wrote, and that was actually signed in the Minnesota State capitol rotunda on May 9th of last year. So any citizen can sign that. The other thing we’re particularly interested in is being contacted by state legislators who would like to bring the coalition to their states. And what they can do is reach out to us on the site, email us, and then we will reach back out to them. We’d like to form a core group in every state that is a candidate for being a member of the coalition, where we have people committed to, to under, who completely understand the vision and can bring that about.

Obviously, we hope for the day that Minnesota could be part of the coalition, but right now it is not. And that’s going to be. We have. Yeah, yeah, we have, you know, the Minnesota legislators, I think almost all, if not all of the Republican delegation has signed or is or will be signing it. So just that a lot of them were not there at May on May 9th. And, you know, we’re still getting caught up with a lot of them. But we haven’t had anybody say we’ll make big progress once the Democrats start to realize this isn’t a partisan issue.

That’s right. That’s exactly it. So contact us if you’re a state legislator, if you’re a citizen, reach out. You can support us. We’re not really fundraising or anything like that. But if you want to donate, you can definitely support what Michelle is doing because, you know, this is a sign. You know, what Michelle is doing is huge and one individual has done it. Imagine if we can get a whole coalition that’s working behind her vision across many states and across a lot of other issues that relate to protecting children. That’s what we’re trying to build. So excellent.

Thank you so much for you, both of you, for being the kind of citizens we need and for doing and stepping up and doing this hard work. It’s so important. Thank you so much for joining the program. Yes, thanks. Thanks for having me, Sarah. Thank you. Thank you. But there’s been such a supporter of protecting children, Sarah, you and your show, and we are grateful to you for that. So thank you, Sam.
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