Global Economic Picture Rapidly Changing as Chaos Continues to Drive Uncertainty w/ Nomi Prins

➡ The text discusses the global unrest and its impact on economies, highlighting the importance of trust in government and economic stability. It introduces a weight loss peptide, retrutide, that reduces appetite and burns fat, and a capsule, 5amino 1 mq, that helps maintain muscle mass during weight loss. The text also discusses the increasing value of gold as a reserve currency, surpassing the EU and coming second to the US dollar, and the potential for silver to become a tier one asset. Lastly, it advises on investing in gold and silver to protect assets, and warns against scams in gold companies.
➡ The text discusses the global rise in tension and uprisings in 2019, which were temporarily halted by the COVID-19 pandemic. However, the underlying issues causing these uprisings did not disappear. The text also discusses the economic struggles of the European Union and the increasing use of gold as a reserve currency by central banks. The author suggests that these issues are accelerating and will continue to impact global economies and political landscapes.
➡ The tariffs from the Biden and Trump administrations have led to a shift in currency trading from the dollar to gold. Central banks worldwide are considering gold as a new monetary anchor. There’s a growing demand for physical commodities like gold, silver, copper, and uranium due to their importance in monetary, energy, and defense purposes. The demand for silver is expected to increase due to its industrial uses and its deficit in supply, which could lead to a rise in its price.
➡ Silver prices are expected to rise due to increasing demand and decreasing supply. Countries like Mexico are speeding up mining processes to meet demand, but this won’t lower prices. Silver has potential to become a tier one asset, like gold, which would significantly increase its value. This is due to its dual use as a commodity and in industrial applications, such as in energy and infrastructure.

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And we’re going to get into commodities as well. And the idea that gold, you know, United States, the US Dollar is the goal, is the reserve currency of the world, really. It’s the number one. Basically, more, more transaction happens in US dollar than any other currency in the world. But the EU since 19, and she’ll explain this since in 1999, it quickly became the right behind the dollar, the second in line. But since then, gold has surpassed that as it’s become a tier one asset, is now in second place as the world’s reserve currency. Gold is.

And so we started talking about silver and where that lands. And she said that, you know, in the past silver has been a tier one asset and that it’s not implausible for central bankers to be and, you know, around the world talking to the bank of International Settlements and poking them to get silver to be a tier one asset as well. And we start seeing that be treated different. She said it would be a game changer. It’s a theory right now, but it’s not off the table. I mean, it’s starting to be talked about, which is a really interesting concept as people are trying to move away from, you know, fiat currencies to tangible assets.

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I’ve been wanting to interview you for a long time and I remember you back in when you first got maybe you’re famous before this, but the first time I saw you was after the 2008 crash and I remember watching all your videos. So it’s really an honor to have you on the show. Thank you so much. I wanted to pick your brain a little bit and I think my audience will really like to hear your perspective with your deep, deep knowledge on economic, worldwide, financial issues. And as we all know, the world is in complete chaos.

Just yesterday Trump put together and with Netanyahu a peace plan in, you know, Gaza area. And but within minutes, you know, the Israelis were bombing the crap out of Gaza and you know, and then the UN the people walked out of what do you think about the turmoil that’s going on in the Middle East? And then we also have the turmoil in Ukraine. How is that playing into what we’re going to see with the global financial markets? Yeah, it’s such a bizarre world that we are living in right now. And whenever there is this kind of deep long term chaos from a geopolitical perspective, from a military perspective like we’re seeing in the Middle east, like we’ve seen in our continuing to see in Ukraine and like we’re seeing in different places around the world.

It obviously creates additional tension to what economies might be dealing with anyway, whether that’s with respect to growth or to jobs or to national initiatives or international initiatives. And so whenever we have these kinds of instabilities and so many people’s lives at stake, and also so much at stake from the standpoint of the physical world itself, these areas, you know, whether it’s with energy or whether it’s with commodities that are coming from or going to these areas, all of this has an impact on global tensions. All of it has an impact on the financial markets, and all of it has an impact on how people, institutions, governments, perceive what stability actually is, and then how that ties into investment strategies or economic strategies for the future.

Well, what do you think of. And what this is, what Americans don’t really get to see is that people are on the streets in many different countries protesting by the hundreds of thousands of people on the streets in multiple countries. Philippines, Nepal, you’re seeing it all over Europe. We don’t get to see that in our media, but it’s really happening. How does that play into the global financial picture? It’s interesting that you specifically mentioned all the different areas because you start with two, and then you open it up and you have these tensions all over the place.

And when I wrote my last book, it was permanent distortion, which is basically that distortion between what happens in financial markets and what happens mostly economically, but in general on the ground throughout the world. One of the chapters was very much focused on the rise of global tension and people in the streets and uprisings and. And how that impacts governments and strategies and them. Right. And it was a year going into Covid, actually before. So 2019 had been, at that time, the year that was designated the most number of individuals, of people, of groups, uprising in the most amount of locations throughout the world at the same time.

Right. Whether big or small, There was a significant increase even in 2019 into Covid of uprisings and of tension and of military operations and of people in the streets. And what wound up happening is we had Covid things shut down, and we didn’t see as much of that for a while because people were simply at home. But the tensions didn’t go away. The reasons behind them didn’t go away. People’s instability, fragility, that didn’t go away, and government’s responses to them didn’t become necessarily any more. Any more peaceful from the standpoint of changing what’s needed for economies, for individuals, from the ground up which is a big part of permanent distortions, that economic ground up issue relative to how people perceive their economies and their lives and their choices versus what is actually in front of them, which is also what relates to uprisings, it relates to political shifts and it relates to big geopolitical shifts throughout the world.

And so in the last few years, those have kind of intensified, but it’s also intensified if you add in, for example, tariffs and tariff wars and commodity searches, whether that’s in energy or whether that’s in gold as a monetary policy anchor instead of the US Dollar. There’s been a lot of things happening in the world in response to what’s going on economically on the ground and for people on the ground. That has only accelerated wherever you look. Yeah, and I agree, it’s just completely accelerating. It’s really obvious there’s a global struggle at the, at the highest levels with the reset, the economic reset that’s going on.

And, but also Europe, which the European Union is essentially crumbling and they’re losing confidence of each country. And people that I talk to believe that the European Union itself will probably dissolve. Do you believe that? And how is that going to affect the global economic situation? What’s happening now is that Europe, with all of its ideas and ideals back in 1999, when the euro was fashioned as a unifying, ostensibly currency across a very disparate set of nations, nations with very different economies, very different agendas, very different levels of power, is that the sort of experiment of the euro has really now been very much brought into question.

If we look, for example, central banks around the world, that includes in Europe, in the US In China, and in India and eastern Western countries throughout the world. What we see is that the euro is globally the second most used reserve country currency for central banks. The US Dollar is still first, as it was sort of fashioned to be out of Bretton woods after World War II. The euro was in second place basically from 1999, given the strength of what was the economy at the time. And now it’s gold. And now the percentage of reserves in gold has superseded the percentage of reserves in euros.

And that just happened this summer. And that’s one very overwhelming sign of the weakness in the euro, but also of the growth or the economic solidity of Europe as an entity. So whether they continue, and I believe that the EU will continue, I don’t see it completely falling apart. But I do see the economies and economy of Europe underperforming other economies throughout the world. For example, we used to talk about the might of Germany as an industrial might, as a banking might, as an economic growth story. And I’m just talking about in the last like 10 years, and now it’s sort of fallen off the map.

You know, we talk about China, we talk about India, we talk about, you know, the sort of US fight against that. We talk about Brazil up and coming. You know, we talk about countries throughout the world and rarely actually do we talk about the major economies of Europe driving the world. It’s not like they’re not doing anything. They obviously have plans, they have citizens, they have agendas. But it’s really fallen off even the discussion map of what we all look at as we tend to look around the world and see where power is accumulating, where alliances are accumulating, and what’s decelerating.

And Europe has been decelerating. And much of that is because of the different economies to begin with. And I don’t think there was enough done to have a cohesive strategy that kind of actually lifted up all the countries together as opposed to continuing sort of the fractious nature of Europe that fed into the beginning of the euro back in 1999. And what we’re seeing now is sort of the obvious result of that policy, that strategy. Well, they kind of lost their way too, right? They, they weren’t elected representatives. They’re. They were selected. And then people lost faith in what they were all about.

Because when you don’t have input at all, you don’t feel like it’s something that you can trust. That’s right. And, and that’s the same reason, you know, talking about why people are in the streets, not, not just in Europe, but, but throughout the world. If you don’t trust your government and that doesn’t, you know, left, right, center doesn’t. If you don’t, if you don’t trust that the people in power have your best interests in mind and you don’t own situation economically or otherwise becoming stronger, then you are pushed to either get out in the streets or have a complete disillusionment in your government or somewhere in between, if you’re paying attention.

And this is kind of what we’re seeing throughout the world. Well, and I think people are rushing to gold and silver because they’re hedging their bets. And just what was it, 2019, that gold became a tier one asset. And that can’t be understated. So how far behind is gold at being a reserve? You know, the reserve currency compared to the United States or the US Dollar? I mean. Yeah, so Again, it is in second place right now. It is a tier one asset, which means that it’s basically fungible in terms of a high quality liquid asset by state banks to their central bank.

And that’s one of the reasons that central banks have been stockpiling gold. And for example, in the case of People’s bank of China, they have had a very specific strategy of first opening up the IMF’s SDR. They’re basically their currency basket that backs their bonds to include the Chinese Yuan. And that was in the wake of the financial crisis. So pre. Covid. Pre. All of that, it was in reaction to wanting to have a place on the global stage and make a movement into that. Right. And to say, okay, well, it’s not just the Western currencies, it’s not just Bretton woods deal.

It’s. It’s what’s happening moving forward. And since then, there has been a movement away from purchasing U.S. government bonds or dollar denominated bonds for reserves into gold. And what we’ve seen since 2022 when Russia invaded Ukraine and there were sanctions against Russia, is that other countries decided, well, we don’t want to be in a position of having sanctions put against us for whatever the reasons may be. We are going to have gold be the reserve currency because have enough of it, we can use it to back our trading. And so that’s what’s happening. We’re also seeing that as gold supply has not met up with demand or it’s not going to meet up with this additional demand from central banks.

The last four years in a row, central banks have been net buyers of gold in record amounts. So we’re in the fourth straight year of a record amount. From the wake of 2022 through what’s going to happen into 25 and into 2026. That’s not going to change. And the reason for that is to diversify again against the dollar. That’s kind of the face of it and diversify against US Policy. But it’s also to gain a sort of new center of control or power that can be not necessarily backed in gold, not necessarily a gold standard like we saw end in 1971, but in the idea that if more of your central bank currencies, right now it’s like a 25% gap or so between the US dollar and gold.

If we look at reserves relative to the other currencies, if we start to close that gap, it’s not just the central bank reserves that are closed in the gap. It’s the amount of Trade that’s going on currency to currency that doesn’t involve the dollar or doesn’t involve petrodollars, which were the oil based dollars that were also created in the 70s which, which favored the US dollar. It’s in whatever currency the agreement is in. And so we’re seeing more and more agreements happen between countries without the US on a trade basis. The recent tariffs pushed that to accelerate even faster.

But it was already in motion. It was in motion since the tariffs from the first administration of the Biden administration continued a lot of those tariffs without as much fanfare. And then this Trump administration continued more of them with more fanfare. But the reality is there has been this, this movement in reserves and in currency trading away from the dollar and into gold laced gold back gold as a stored asset somewhere else in the world that can be used for liquidity purposes if it’s needed. That has no geopolitical connections. It’s as people are really wanting something safe.

What do you think about the central bankers? You know famously Carney, who’s now the Prime Minister of Canada at the Jackson Hole, Wyoming central bankers meeting back in, I think it was 28, 2019, I don’t remember the exact date. And he said that they want to go around governments determine their budgets based on carbon credits. And now he’s the Prime Minister of Canada. What do you think? Have they abandoned that notion? Are they still moving hardcore at trying to control governments And I mean if you control their budgets, you control the world. A quick break in the program to share with you is that the gold market, the silver markets are seeing huge movements not seen in our lifetimes.

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Just for Sarah Westall listeners. Okay, go to sarawestall.com Miles Franklin and fill out that form and get access to the private price list. Okay, back to the program. Right. And there isn’t any country that is really able to control the budgets of other countries at this point. And carbon credits as that notion and all of, I mean, continued support for decarbonization that is still in the world as we do electrify more as we do look at for example, nuclear power being a better, more cleaner baseload power than oil, than fossil fuels. There is still a movement away, but it isn’t so much monetary monetized in carbon credits anymore.

I think that idea has sort of fallen a bit by the wayside. Not to say there isn’t decarbonization, not to say carbon credits aren’t a thing, but to say they’re not the specific barometer of power or control of one country over another. And a lot of that’s because of how commodities actually play into what’s underground versus what is needed overground for the different reasons that the countries are right now in a war for. So if we look at gold as something that is really a new monetary anchor trying to be for a lot of the non US central banks and therefore countries around the world, we look at silver, which has a lot of those safe haven qualities for banks, for investors, for individuals, but also has industrial uses.

So if countries are building up their infrastructure or their energy systems, they need more silver than is above the ground right now. So that has a demand. Copper has a demand for those reasons. Uranium has a demand to supply nuclear power. So there’s a lot of physical commodities underlying geopolitics right now and underlying power plays in the world that have become maybe not on the surface, although there’s a lot of policy that’s shifting as well towards supporting them, but certainly have been under the surface and growing as necessities for countries to acquire, to have in order to maintain and grow their power.

And that’s basically going to continue. So I think we’re in a mode right now where the importance of acquiring physical assets for monetary or energy purposes or defense purposes because of energy purposes is really superseding some of what was happening into this period. Well, what do you think about the prices? Because notoriously these commodities are suppressed in prices. It doesn’t reflect what’s really happening with supply and demand. Do you think that it’s going to readjust and that, I mean, some people have the theory that that is the trump plan to save our economy is to readjust, reevaluate gold to a much higher level as a means of pulling the United States out of this debt situation.

Do you see that happening or do you see, or do you see commodities being reset to its true market value at any time here in the future? Well, I think it is hard for even the United States, which has a stockpile of gold that’s historically held but doesn’t use it for reserve purposes or for paying down the debt or liquefying it in any way. But if they were to, then of course, the more gold you have at higher prices, the more you can technically monetize it and use it to pay down debt. There is no policy to pay down debt with gold.

I mean, there’s a lot of conversations about what gold can do, but that’s not what the policy is. And also the United States, because gold is so global and because these central banks around the world are not just putting gold into their reserves, they’re stockpiling gold in vaults around the world. And around the world, I mean, outside the United States, even outside of, for example, London, there’s been a lot of activity and storage of hard assets, particularly gold, for this very purpose. In Dubai, in Singapore, the Shanghai exchanges, opening up exchanges in order to basically sort of funnel gold into and storage and vaulting locations in the East.

And this is all happening to basically take gold off of the table to be controlled by any one country and diffusing it around the world. Now that still will, I think, mean that gold prices will rise. And the reason for that is the demand is not going to stop. And if you store more gold and you still want gold in your own vaults, then you are probably going to be buying more gold whether you’re an institution or whether a central bank or whether you’re a state owned set of banks like you have in China. And so there’s going to be more demand than there is supply for silver.

There’s already a two year supply deficit for the current bills that we have in infrastructure. And we’re going into the third year. And the thing with silver, and we just did an analysis of this that’s coming out next week, is that even at today’s mining capacity, in terms of the mines that are going to come online. In other words, the silver has been tested, it’s high quality. Permits are at some point later stage of what they’re needed to be. There still will not be by 2027. So we’ve got an entire year and a half at least before if that silver all comes into the market, we will even be at parity.

And meanwhile demand is going to increase. That’s just if demand doesn’t increase. If demand increases that, that takes even longer. So we’ve got a number of years where there’s simply not enough silver not only out of the ground today, but coming out of the ground in mines that are close enough to production of high quality silver to get out into the world. So I see that as a big reason, aside from silver has a relationship to gold historically, which a lot of people talk about, and this year it’s outperformed gold. But if gold continues to rise and silver will be pulled along, that’s all true, but the reality is there’s a structural deficit and silver that, that only time can fix.

And time can only fix it if there’s no extra demand, which there is. And all of that is going to also increase silver prices. So do you think they. So it’s going to increase silver prices because the demand is going to go up and they just will be forced to create to lift the suppression. It’s just the market strength and the demands will be so strong that they can’t hold it down. Will they ever reach to what the true market is? Or do you think that there’d be so much pressure to keep the prices down that they won’t ever readjust to the true market of what it should be? I think with silver there has been in the past a lot of what’s called manipulation of silver prices.

There’s been banks, there’s been ETFs and there’s been conversations about whether paper silver, which can be driven up or down, is more volatile than physical silver is really going to be controllable. I think what we are seeing now is that the last silver that is available out of ground for the demand of silver that’s required by all the players above the ground is going to mean that there’s going to be an upside to silver prices. Because you can’t manipulate something that’s not there. I mean that doesn’t really ultimately work. You can only do it if there’s not enough demand versus supply.

But once supplies at the deficit and demand increases, that’s a lot harder to do. And then you have to go back and look at the physical world and what we might see and what we are seeing is that the permit processes, for example, to get a mine up and running might quicken. So as for example, Mexico has just done this, Mexico has had a situation where from a regulatory perspective, they really ring fenced a lot of new rules to keep silver sort of in the ground, to keep it in Mexico because it is a very strong asset for the country.

But then they’re seeing how much demand is growing relative to the silver that they’re putting out. And they just cut the amount of their permit processes or the number of permits that were on hold by half just since 2025. So we can see nations try to step into demand, but that’s not going to suppress prices. That’s really in reaction to the fact that demand is pushing up prices. So the value of those mines, if they get them to market faster, is just increasing. So it’s an interesting world right now where that speed is becoming policy. We’re not really focused on sort of mining policy in general as a world.

I mean, countries are. But unless something happens to a particular mine in general a tragedy, we don’t really consider mining as part of geopolitics, but it very much is because we are at these deficits relative to where the world, world is growing and where power is relocating. That makes a lot of sense. So gold, silver actually has more upside than gold right now. And I would think because of its two pronged value, because it also is, it can be a commodity, but it also has the electric or the industrial uses. Yeah, that’s right. And gold had that extra central bank usage and that end demand.

And that’s not going to, to change. We are seeing a very dynamic realignment, I think, of the world. And as that happens, gold becomes maybe not the gold standard again, but it’s certainly an overlay to whatever currency trading or whatever validity a country might have in the mix of global trade going forward, whether that’s digital gold backed by physical gold, or however it manifests that gold is definitely back on the table from a monetary perspective. But silver, yes, has those two uses. It isn’t as a value. It doesn’t have the monetary value. From an Anchorage perspective for central banks right now, it’s not a tier one asset.

It has been in the past. So I do feel that enough central banks that will continue to buy gold will be poking at the bis, the bank of International Settlements, the central bank of central banks about the idea of moving back to potentially having a tier one value to silver. We’re not at that point yet but it makes sense to me. And they have had silver and old central banks in the past. Bank of England had silver, India had silver. It’s been a past thing, it’s just not a current thing. I think we can get there.

But industrially definitely there is continued demand for silver because of its conductivity properties, because it’s long term value in infrastructure as well as in energy. And so there is more and more demand. Well that’s interesting. If they ended up going with silver being a tier one asset that how much, what’d you say that changes? That’s a game changer. That would be a major game changer. And would it, how much would that, I mean I know we’re just postulating, I mean it’s theoretical but how much would that increase the value or the price of silver? Well, if we look at, and I’m just doing this off of the top of my head but if we, let’s say we look at gold having doubled, which it hasn’t yet in a three year period over the last three year period, let’s say it goes from 22 to whatever moves towards to five or six in three or four years or whatever that might look like doubles and triples.

And if you did that to silver because it’s now both cheaper than gold as well as it becomes a tier one asset, you could easily see silver trading at 200. I mean it’s not and that, that doesn’t even include the industrial value. And I’m not saying tomorrow or that this is necessary, they’re happening but it’s, it’s very easy to get up to that level. Well even just the ratio between gold and silver it is undervalued right now. Right. Well where do people follow you? Where can they? I mean you’re a must follow, you’re a wealth of wisdom when it comes to the economic scenarios.

Where can they follow you and see more of what you’re doing? Basically to come to right now, my newsletter which is on substack so it’s prince sites.substack.com and we have multiple investment portfolio tiers as well as just generally information and essays and interviews with mining and other CEOs about where things are underground, where they’re going, how that connects into the overall economy. Banks Fed, other central banks, so we cover a lot and that’s really the best place to stay on top of that with us. Well, thank you so much for joining the program. It’s really been a pleasure having you on.

Thank you so much for having me on. Sa.
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