Christian Westbrook and Marjory riff on Current Events – what we believe and what we dont!

➡ The text is a conversation between two individuals discussing their experiences and perspectives on various topics. They talk about their work, personal journeys, and the state of the world, touching on issues like exhaustion, the collapse of conventional agriculture, and the importance of self-sufficiency. They also discuss the impact of regulations on backyard food production and the need for change in the current system.
➡ The government is using advanced technology like drones and satellites to monitor private properties, even issuing fines for violations like growing certain plants. This surveillance is becoming more automated and invasive, causing concern among citizens. Meanwhile, economic hardships are forcing people to adjust their lifestyles. There’s also speculation about potential military actions, including the use of nuclear weapons, which could be a tactic to further control and scare the population.
➡ The text discusses the idea that a mechanistic worldview, where we see ourselves as separate entities fighting for resources, leads to a technocratic approach where a few people try to control everything. This control extends to our perception of reality, with attempts to keep us from exploring deeper truths. The author suggests that the solution lies in shifting our perspective to see ourselves as part of a shared, mutable reality, rather than being trapped in a mechanistic one. This shift, they argue, is already happening, with people recognizing and moving into this new paradigm, focusing on community, self-reliance, and authenticity.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of authenticity and personal growth in the age of AI. They highlight the freedom and creativity that can come from breaking away from societal expectations and pursuing what truly brings joy, such as becoming a guinea pig farmer or a piano teacher. They encourage people to adapt to changing circumstances, like the breakdown of social contracts and rising costs, by finding new ways to serve their communities and follow their hearts. They believe that this approach, rather than relying on technology or traditional measures of success, will lead to a more fulfilling future.
➡ The text discusses a woman who is a midwife and herbalist, and her value to her community. It also talks about a neighbor who is an airline stewardess and the potential impact of economic changes on her job. The text further explores the idea of people reevaluating their careers and life choices, possibly due to the pandemic or other factors. It also delves into the topic of data centers and AI, and various theories about their purpose and impact.
➡ The text discusses concerns about the control and misuse of technology, particularly data centers and AI. The author suggests that these technologies are being used to manipulate resources like water and power, and to control information. They also express worry about the shift towards cloud storage, which they believe could lead to censorship and manipulation of data. The author also mentions the economic impact on small businesses and the potential for societal pushback against these technological changes.
➡ The conversation discusses the importance of staying hopeful and proactive in the face of challenges. It emphasizes the power of human consciousness and the ability to find solutions to problems. The speakers encourage focusing on what can be done, using available resources, and being open to receiving messages from unexpected sources. They also debunk the fear of AI becoming conscious, stating that no amount of technology can replicate human consciousness.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of community and helping each other, especially in tough times. They reference a book called “Tribe” that talks about how people naturally come together to support each other when things get really bad. They also mention how this sense of community was seen during the California wildfires and post-Soviet collapse in Cuba. Despite the challenges, the speaker remains hopeful about the future and believes in the power of unity and compassion.

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No, no, that’s good. I was just hoping we would do some off the cuff and just I wanted to introduce you to. I regularly am quoting, you know, different things that you’re writing about or videoing about or talking about. And I said, you know, I really have to get to spend some time with Christian. And you like, went offline for years and everybody was like, what’s happened to him? And I’m like, I don’t know either. And then I saw your post when you came back, like apparently you had a real hell and back kind of a journey.

Huh. So it’s been interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a few things that happened there and we can, we can dig into that. Yeah. So if you want to do an intro then. Well, yeah. So everybody here, this is Christian Westbrook and he has currently. The name of his channel is Unshadowed. Substack is where I’m usually watching you at. And before that he was the ice age farmer and just really hard hitting in depth, you know, unbelievable research on what is happening from the larger perspective of what the globalists are doing and then how you, you can see, you know, like we don’t often see it because they do a piece here and then a piece here and then a piece there and a piece and they, they effectively keep us confused or blind by that.

But Christian has just an incredible talent for ferreting out all those little pieces and showing it to you and then continually reminding you of like, look, these are the objectives that they have stated that they are doing. And then here, look, this explains this and this explains that. And you know, the latest thing was the wow, the lockstep rollout of registering your, your livestock, you know, your, your chickens and your pigs and oh, I had such a good laugh about the people in the UK registering their Chicken McNuggets. I thought that was so great. Yeah, that was a great over compliance.

Oh yeah, right. That’s. That’s what we got. Right? Yeah. I love, I love to bring forward to people that, you know, sometimes it looks, I mean, they own and control so much transportation and money and energy and all that, but they are not all powerful. You know, there’s a lot we can do. So. Anyway, welcome to the Marjorie Wildcraft Channel, Christian. Thank you, Marjorie. It’s an honor to be here. Yeah. So you and I were briefly riffing via email about exhaustion. And I had just done a post, some people were commenting that I looked exhausted. And I was like, yes, I think everybody’s exhausted at this point in time.

You know, if nothing else, just from the, the, the way that the, the jerking you around like a piece, no piece, you know, open, straight, close straight. You know what I mean? There’s just, you know, and then I don’t even pay attention to the DJT anymore because that will just make your head spin. And I was talking about how I’m, I’m really like, I’m focusing on food, water, energy, community, you know, all the things of building systems that are out, that are not dependent on, on the systems that are collapsing or being collapsed. Maybe we should say.

And you, you were writing. And I’m saying, I’m taking on exhaustion because I’m, I’m working really hard and I know it. And when I get too tired, I pull back. But I, you know, to build strength and resiliency, I’m going into exhaustion. And you were saying you’re on the opposite track. You’re like, nope, I’m resting. I’ve been trying to learn how to not be full throttle all the time, because that was me five years ago during the channel. I was still working a full time job and then trying to build out the farm, the homestead, and then doing the YouTube at the same time.

And then we had a young, at that point, one young son. Uh, and so I was pretty much going full throttle. And so it’s been an informative and interesting experience. Now after. So I had an injury to antibiotics, and that’s a whole story unto itself, but it’s put me in a position where I have to pace myself basically, mentally, emotionally, definitely physically. And I cannot operate like that anymore. And so it’s, there’s a whole slew of like, craziness of how that happened and the implications for that. But the good side of it, to skip right to that, is that it was a, you know, some damage to my hardware that forced a software upgrade in the way I live and in the way I, you know, the spiritual software of my life.

Had to be upgraded to accommodate a very different body, I guess. And, and so that’s the, that’s the good news that’s come with, with some of those challenges, and that keeps me in a good mindset about it. Yeah, yeah. You know, almost everything that comes to us. I love that saying that good things come to those for whom all things are good. Right. And everything going on in the world. You might go, what? You know, And I’m like, no, I really, you know. Yeah, we’re seeing the collapse of conventional agriculture. Well, conventional agriculture is creating just toxic, you know, nonsense.

Right. So the way they’re doing it, of course, is going to be extremely painful and damaging and probably lethal for untold millions. But that’s a system that has to go, you know. It is, yeah. There’s. There’s a particular woman who comments on a lot of my pieces, and she says, good, let them let them lock down the water supply. Let them let the agriculture collapse and let them roll out the GMOs and everything should collapse. And it’s like, because we don’t like these things anyway. It’s like, well, we kind of need, like a transition, you know, something in there to smooth into a new way of being.

Because if you just end all of those things right away, I’m not sure if she appreciates, or maybe she just doesn’t care that. Yeah. That there would be some catastrophic consequences to that. But, yeah, yeah. You know, I was just on a Reddit thread and, and everybody’s asking like, well, when, when, you know, when I’m like, well, it’s happening, first of all, you know, it’s not like, when it’s happening. And for those of you that are watching and can see it, you know, you’ve. You got to stay focused that it is happening. There is this huge pressure for a normalcy bias.

Right. And I was just on this Reddit thread reading, you know, somebody put up like, so when is this crisis going to be apparent to like, your basically your average normie? And it’s very interesting, all the comments. And everybody goes, well, it was supposed to be two weeks for the last six months now, you know, and I’m, and, you know, everybody’s like, well, when the price of gas is, you know, $10 a gallon or, you know, when. When they can’t afford to eat anymore, we’re pretty close to that, you know, anyway, it, it’s, it is. It is astonishing.

And, and I get it, you know, about. We do want. We do want change. It does really look like a Part of this structure is they, well, they definitely don’t want you preparing. Like, that is clearly it. And you, you talk over and over again about the different ways I used to always say when they get around, because I’ve been watching you for years. And they’ve always, you know, they did this with that and the bigger level stuff. And I said, when they get around to backyard food production and starting to really hamper that, that’s when we know we’re almost in the final.

You know, that’s when we know we’re in the end game. And it looks like they’re really starting to hamper down on that boy. That one you had on water metering. I don’t have a smart meter on the water system here, but yeah, being able to cut off your water like, Yep, yep. Daily limits, it was like 10 liters was the example they gave. And then it just shuts off for the day to make sure that there’s equitable supply of water for the others in the community. Yeah, no, I mean, and then you’re right. It does look like they’re now outwardly, you know, very evidently coming for backyard food production as opposed to in previous crises when they were incentivizing victory gardens.

Like, how do we achieve victory in World War II? Well, everyone needs to have your, your survival guard in the backyard. That was a very different voice coming from the government. And now it’s everything saying not to do that right now. It’s, we’re going to surveil you. If you’re growing things you shouldn’t be growing in the places you shouldn’t be growing them, then we have, of course, the satellites have been there for over a decade now, but now we have drones patrolling private property. I was just posting that article about citations in Russia now being given by drones, surveilled private property and saw hogweed, which apparently they’re trying to eradicate.

And so that may be a case of something invasive that they’re trying to get rid of, but clearly with the flip of a switch, that could be near real time monitoring of people’s properties and identifying. What was freaky about that Russian example was that was a completely automated system. Exactly. Yeah. The thing identified the hogweed, contacted the owner, gave them a fine like, oh, my goodness. Yeah, the world we’re moving into. Yeah, make it everybody to grow hogweed in their backyard. The malicious compliance coming back put hogweed everywhere. No, I think, I think, yeah, I mean, that’s that question itself of when is it going to become visible to the Normies is an interesting one.

And, and also the when is it going to happen? And I think you’re exactly right. That’s sort of what I’ve been saying is it’s not a when. It’s. We are in the process right now, and you can experience it already if you’re looking. And for a lot of people, you know, there’s people I hear frequently or you can find on the news, there’s people who just can no longer afford to feed their family the way they were feeding them before. Right. So people are making cuts and adjustments all over the place just to get by. And I think that’s, that’s, you know, that’s what it feels like.

As this continues to go forward, clearly there could be, you know, like, I guess we should date stamp this. It’s Monday the 17th of August, and right now, part of the news cycle is Donald Trump is evaluating whether or not to go nuclear in Iran. But as you said, they’ve been saying this 56 times now. The strait’s been open and closed and we’ve won and they have no navy, and then up and down. And I think, yes, I think that definitely plays into making people exhausted and not knowing, just sort of learned helplessness. Like, I don’t even, just turn it off.

I don’t even want to know anymore because it’s. I know so many people. I had a girlfriend the other day and she said, let’s have lunch. And I am just so tired of looking at the news. I just can’t stand it. It’s overwhelming. It’s all bad. Yeah. I was listening to a Mike Adams. Gosh, he was on with Michael Yan, and I forget who else. And they were all talking about how apparently the US you wouldn’t know it from the news we see, but apparently the US is, is really getting its ass kicked in, in, in the Middle East.

And for me, when I saw that there was a mutiny on the USS Abraham Linker and seven sailors died in that, like, that was a, that was a mutiny, like where people were killing each other on board the ship. I was like, that’s your indication of what’s really going on out there. But these guys, they’re all, well, Michael Yan’s a soldier. And they, you know, they all really evaluate all the military stuff, which is not really event, you know, who has the tanks and who has the, whatever, this missile and how much capability, which is not at all my interest.

But they were saying, you know, the US Is almost completely out of, you know, missiles or bombs or Whatever they need. And that’s why the nuclear thing is being bandied around is kind of like that’s the last thing they have. So I still. And here I would love to get your riff on this. So I still. And especially since you have this perspective, you know, I really see that there’s the globalists and people talk about Iran and China and all that, but they’re really, they are different countries. But they’re not really independent. Like you can tell they’re not because every single one of them required their citizens or tried to require their citizens to take the jab or encourage the jab.

Right. If you were an independent country, the thing you would do would be to encourage your people to not take the jab. If you were really truly independent and nobody did. I think there were a few countries that tried and then they were smaller and then those leaders disappeared. I don’t think, I think if they do go nuclear, I don’t honestly think it’s going to be the whole setting off the big cascade, which, you know, most of the military guys go, yeah, as soon as one goes off, then this is programmed and that’s going to go off and then this and that and the other and the whole nuclear.

But yeah, the Mutually Assured Destruction are mad, man. Oh my gosh. You know, I’m a child of the 60s and 70s. Like we grew up with, like that was the dark cloud, you know, the U.S. soviet conflict. But I, I do, there is this globalist that. And I don’t, I still haven’t, I haven’t spent enough time or figured out who’s exactly in charge of what and who, you know, and are there factions within them that are fighting for sure. But I don’t think they would want it to go full blown nuclear. I think they might do a limited exchange just to like really scare the crap out of everybody.

And then that would take down the markets and do a lot of stuff that they need to do. There’d be force majeure on a lot of commodities which they need to, and all these different things. But I don’t think it would go full blown nuclear. I think, I think it would be a limited exchange because the planet is their property and they don’t really want to destroy it to that level is my fundamental belief. I would love to get your interpretation on that riff. At least they view it that way. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there’s a lot of people that don’t even think nuclear weapons are real.

Right. That they needed a. Yet another one of these things that’s too big for normal people to solve. And so they invented this super weapon that, that meant we would have to trust the powers that be to keep things steady for us. So without even speaking to whether there’s a great book on that called the Death Object, but without even speaking to that, we can leave that can of worms over there. Well, I love that perspective because I’ve heard that too and I haven’t gone down that rabbit hole. But yes, I like that because we don’t know what’s real anymore.

And that’s there’s a good possibility that there are no nuclear weapons. But you keep going. So I’ll set the can of worms over there and, and that way people don’t have to get excited about it. And we, and I would just agree with you that absolutely whatever they do is going to be in their interest. If there is some sort of claim to nuclear limited exchange or whatever it is, then that’s just because they needed the key to turn the lock on the next step of the crisis and escalate control measures a bit more. So I think you’re right on that.

Yeah. Now I know since you were somewhat maybe attacked or you know, definitely targeted and all that, but are you set up in a place where you’re, you know, got, got some basic self reliance going? Are you, are you feeling comfortable and, and you know, chickens and unregistered chickens, that kind of thing? Are you personally pretty well set up or. My birds are unregistered by my old standards, no. Right. So comfortable would not be the word that that old ice age farmer would use to describe where I am now. But it’s also part of what I’ve been going through in that process the last few years of realizing, um, you know, it was an interesting transition when I started Ice Age Farmer.

I wholly believed that we just all needed to grow more food and that was the solution. And if, you know, we’ve, you and I have had conversations about that. If we all just, you know, if a fraction of us kept chickens, we would no longer need the entire egg industry. Right. A lot of these things just go away once we stop supporting them. But the more I, with time and then the more, the deeper I went into the agenda and seeing like the climate trades where they’re surveilling everything from the sky and so forth at some point, it wasn’t even a moment, it was just that each, with each broadcast it felt less and less honest to say that this is the solution, it’s just to grow more food.

I still Think that’s a good idea. And a lot of people, I still encourage you to do it, but I think now it’s. You know, I don’t know if you read Matthias Desmet’s psychology of totalitarianism, but he. One thing that he made very clear that I appreciated that he made very clear in there was that technocratic or totalitarian, technocratic approach is the necessary endpoint of a mechanistic worldview. Right? So if you think that reality is solid and that we’re all just consciousness trapped in brains in these meat suits, walking around fighting for resources, then at some point down, you know, when you pursue that long enough, you.

You necessarily end up inevitably at here, at where we are now, which is this group of people who are scared and trying to take all the resources and control every aspect of reality and every aspect of our lives and ultimately to kill us off so we can’t get back. That’s. There is no other possible end state for that way of seeing reality, for that ontology. It’s like a word that a lot of people don’t use, but that’s. Ontology means the way you see reality. And like, what. What’s going on here? And, and that begs for me the question of, well, what’s going on? And then also having now sort of been in that space for the better part of a year, when I look at some of the things that the technocrats or the globalists or whatever you want to call them that they’re doing, a lot of these parts of the agenda are also informed by attempts to control people’s worldview to keep them from looking deeper into reality.

Right? And I think this is absolutely part of why they want to keep people out of their gardens. Because when you’re out there working with the soil, you. And working with plants, you get this. And especially animals, you develop a relationship with them. You feel like you’re working with something, something that’s on your team, right? It feels good. It’s just, it’s really rewarding. And of course, the, like the Russian, I forget the. The woman, but there was a woman who wrote about how there was a spiritual connection to some of the, what we would probably now just call survivalist guarding done by the Russians around, just historically and then especially around the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And it involved things like when you plant the seed, you take it and you put it in your. In your mouth for a bit and it marries with your saliva and your DNA is imprinted on the plant or energetically, you know, whatever something happens and then the plant knows to grow for you or you work better with it. And again, whether or not you believe any of that stuff, it really, for me, spoke to just how intimate that relationship is with the land and with the animals you’re working with. And I think that’s anathema to them telling you they want a digital everything, right? You can only go to their vending machines and swipe your card and you either get your food or you don’t because you weren’t a good boy.

Your social credit score isn’t enough. So they want this digital interface that they’re building to be the only experience that people have. No connection, no real authentic connection, human connection to other people. And, and that keeps people locked in this mechanistic worldview. Because when technocratic, totalitarian, I can’t even say anymore, technocratic totalitarianism is the necessary endpoint, then the solution. And this is where I’ve sort of ended up. The solution isn’t. It’s certainly not fighting back, right? We’re going to go take over and with guns or back the government or vote harder or. This is with. This is where ice Age farmers started to feel weird.

For me, it really wasn’t even in gardening. I still think that’s part of what everyone should be doing just normally, just to be sane. And, you know, a distributed food system makes sense and works better and needs to exist before the centralized, you know, as quickly as possible, basically. But, but I. But I think it has to be informed by a shift to a new way of seeing reality, one where we’re all participating in this, in this mutable shared thing where we’re not trapped in mechanistic reality. And that’s where I think the solution lies. I think we’re having that.

I think in 2020 or 2021, there was like this bifurcation with those who took the jab and those who didn’t. Right? There seemed to be a real or even in 2020, those who believed in the pandemic and those who didn’t. There was this first bifurcation of, I feel another one happening. I’m seeing it in different writers on substack or different places, talking about, well, 3D reality is what’s happening. And there are a lot of people that are moving or living or have been for a long time in 4D or 5D reality, which is a different ontology which does acknowledge a lot of the existence of a lot of other layers.

I speak a lot about the power of thought and thinking and how your thoughts affect Reality. And to some extent that really helps my preparations because I don’t necessarily need to have everything because having everything and being completely prepared is a total 3D control thing. Whereas I’m like, okay, I’ve got enough, I’ve got a lot. I’m building community and I have metaphysical resources, maybe let’s call them higher self or a greater connection. And I see that, I see that shift. I’m glad you’re making that shift also. I’m seeing that and I see that as like another bifurcation of humanity.

And I think there’s significant numbers of us that, who are recognizing and shifting into that new paradigm of reality. And for me it’s not about commerce so much as just doing the right thing, following my heart, you know, building community, working with, with neighbors, you know, being a good person when I use my eyes and my ears, seeking the good, the beautiful and the true, you know, these, these type of, of, of practices which I believe is a huge component of, of navigating this whole thing. I agree with you. I think they’ve got a lot more power and that they’re going to continue to really crank down on it.

But I also. There’s always a way out, right? There’s always a way. They, they, there’s always a way out of anything, you know, And I believe that there will be a way out of this for those of us that, that seek it and find it, you know, and it’s going to be not getting the mark of the beast, whatever that is, you know, the chip in your hand or on your forehead or what. And so growing food and self reliance and building our own parallel networks is a huge part of that. But what you’re speaking to, of a shift to a different ontology is I believe that’s a movement that is afoot in the larger reality.

I think so. And that’s why I think conversations like this one are super important for not everyone’s been a lot of people. In fact, I, several years ago was in this space where I’d been just very much in the code my entire life, right. I was, I was started programming as a little kid and kind of never stopped. And actually it wasn’t until I was in my mid-20s and I lost my mom. And that was sort of, this is one of those things where you said it’s, it’s people who turn bad things into good things to whom.

Good people to whom good things happen. Because that was sort of the catalyst that made me finally look up from the keyboard and say what’s what’s going on here? And, oh, there’s, you know, wait a minute. Money is dead and there’s no real, you know, it was a huge process of awakening that began there. And so, yeah, I think as, you know, like we were talking about the people that can’t afford groceries now, as conditions are getting worse and worse for more and more people, they are necessarily going to be beginning these sorts of, wait a minute.

I did everything right. Right. And this is something where, you know, we were born, we come out, we go to school, and they say, here are the answers that you need to give the teacher if you want to go up to the next level. And then they’re like, here’s the school you need to go to to get into college. Here’s the college things you need to get. And now you can make the money and then you can buy the house, and then we’ll give you the food. And it’s like they’ve sort of been prescribed behaviors for a lot of people our entire lives.

And when those promises aren’t met anymore, then, you know, it’s, it’s difficult. Yes. But then something happens where we’re released from those promises. And I think that’s why having unscripted, authentic conversations like we insisted this one was. And, and you know, I don’t think, because we’ve been in that situation at every step of our lives, a lot of people, and I definitely include myself, and I think it’s easy for you, Marjorie, but for a lot of us, we haven’t had practice being totally authentic. We’ve been playing out those roles. And in terms of playing out roles, something interesting happened also with Ice Age Farmer, and this is true for you as well.

You can go to one of the AIs and say, what would Ice Age Farmer say about XYZ? Or what would Marjorie Wildcraft say about this? And it’ll give you a pretty spot on answer as to what Marjorie maybe a couple years ago would have said about something. So maybe it’s a little dated, but it’s, it’s captured some aspect of a character that you once were. And, and I don’t think humans, you know, we’re, we’re conscious, we’re changing, we’re alive, we’re, we’re allowed to change our minds on things rather than just keep playing out those rules. And so that’s why I think it’s more important, especially in the age of AI, where anyone can go just put on the perfect digital avatar and then have a perfectly written script.

Maybe it’s got em dashes instead of. But. But now what’s, what’s lacking is the authentic. You know, who’s. Is there really a person there struggling to figure out what to say and like hurting and having all these same experiences that I am. So that’s, that’s why I’m. I’ve been shifting more towards and it’s not comfortable for me. Like I said, I haven’t had as much practice as I wish because I was trying to crush the goals. Right. Here’s what they said I need to do next. But yeah, so I think people are moving as, especially as those promises are no longer kept.

Like suddenly I can’t afford my groceries. I did what I was supposed to the whole time. Well, wait a minute. I’m free now to really just go ahead. If that’s not working anymore anyway, then now let me go ahead and do what I want to do or what, what I think God has in mind for me or for this community or let me build something cool just because I can. Right? So, yeah, the social, the social contract is, is breaking down. I was watching Drew Miller, Colonel Drew Miller, who’s all about hardcore, he’s a military guy, all hardcore preparedness, you know, get all that.

And I believe there is some element of that that we do need to pay attention to. But I loved one thing he said, and he said, you know, quit obeying the laws. This government is trying to kill you. You know, quit obeying the laws. And boy, there is really some incredible freedom. Like, you know, I don’t need to get a permit to build that shed to store my stuff, you know, like, or, or, or to build that chicken coop or whatever. I actually am really, really looking forward to this as it descends into seeing the creativity because people are amazing.

Like if you’ve ever been. Like a couple of decades ago, I went to Vietnam just after they lifted the embargo. So this was like the real Vietnam after it, you know, there were no automobiles. Everybody was driving around on scooters because that’s the most fuel efficient thing. I literally. You’d come to a traffic stop and there would be 500 scooters, right? Because that’s how you got around. There were. Nobody could afford a car or anything. And I was waiting for, I forget a scooter or something to come pick me up on the, on the side of the road.

And I had a water bottle and I, you know, one of those plastic water bottles, you know, and I drank the water and I put the, the garbage can was so full of stuff. I just put it right by the side of the garbage can. I’m waiting for this pickup and this woman comes by and she picks up the water bottle and she looks at me a little bit slyly and I’m like, you can have it. You know, and then she, she scurries off and I, and I all of a sudden really began to look at water bottles differently.

Like, this thing has incredible value. You know, it’s super lightweight, it’s absolutely clear, it holds fluids. You know, it’s, it’s just this amazing thing. And then I started to look at like, you know, they would take a Coke can and use the aluminum and make all these amazing, some of it was just statues and things to sell to tourists. But they, they made so many things out of stuff that we would consider garbage. And there was this incredible outpouring of creativity. It’s going to take an adjustment though. Like so, you know, I used to run the Grow network and I had a team of full time people and 20 contractors and we had this whole thing that we were running and now, you know, I get that business has been dropping, dropping, dropping, dropping, dropping.

And, and I can see that it’s not going to be viable at all. You know, shipping costs of anything are going to kill pretty much every small business like that probably here within a few months. I don’t know when the energy crisis is going to kick in, but I don’t think the post office or Amazon even is going to be able to ship stuff for low cost or free the way they do now. And so I’m shifting to a business of raising and selling livestock. Rabbits and cavies, right? These little, they’re so cute. I might break my heart with these guys.

These guinea pigs, they’re just adorable. I’m like falling in love with them. Like, oh my God. Anyway, it’s, you know, like I’m becoming a guinea pig farmer. He’s hilarious. You know, and at one point in time I was a real estate investor and I was signing million dollar checks and at another time I was a, a corporate, you know, gypsy they used to call us and make so much money flying here and there and working and you know, making back this ago, making, you know, $300 an hour. Anyway, there’s all these different changes and you might say, well, gosh, you know, becoming a guinea pig farmer.

But honestly, I really love it. You know, I really love it and I find it so rewarding and to me it’s like I don’t, I don’t care what your Rules were of having a big house and money and success and whatever. This is what I really enjoy. This is what I really like. I, I love this little house and I like what I’ve got, you know? So anyway, I, I hope more and more people as this transition comes along that they really find something that they love to do. I’m sure there’s going to be a bunch of them that just.

And moan, I think you’re dead on. Yeah. And as more people follow their hearts or even try to be of service to their communities and the people around them or just say, hey, God, whatever, put me where you need me. Whatever service you need me to be doing, give me the strength to do it and then put me there so I, so I can carry out your will. Any one of these things, I think, gets us on that right path. And I’ve taken a similar path myself. I used to be in tech. I was working even here.

I have to qualify it by way of acquisition. I found myself at Oracle at the Oracle Utilities place, actually. And I saw them adding the water information to the smart meter data and I thought. And so even though I was doing ich farmer by night and Oracle by day, and there was, I mean, that’s just a massive amount of, like, conflict in terms of trying to contain this in one person and carry both these identities. And so now I don’t have. I, I’m much more at ease. And what I’m doing now is actually giving piano and guitar lessons.

And when I, when I, when I come out of those lessons, I feel better than when I came in. It’s not something that’s at odds with me or like, I have to say, okay, well, I got to feed my sons, so I’ll just go build the digital prison that’s going to enslave us all. Like, that was, that was not a healthy way for me to live and try and be one coherent identity, one, one person. And now I come out and I’m like, yeah, hey, I taught someone how to play piano today, and they enjoy it and I’m being of service to them and I’m able to pay the bills with these things.

And I’m not feeding that technocratic system. This is off away from that. And so guinea, guinea pig farmers, piano teachers, I think this is the future. That sounds hilarious to say, but I really do. I think following your heart and not feeding that beast, but like, just connecting with the people around you and meeting their needs and helping them find their own paths as well, is. Yeah, is where it’s At. I totally can see that, too, because, you know, the human connection is So. I want to learn piano from you. I don’t want to learn it online from a, you know, a program.

Right. I think there’s also that. I think that’s the other thing is there’s so much opportunity in all of these systems that are collapsing. Like, I’ve got a really good girlfriend who’s a midwife who has not gone through the certification and all that. She only deals with women who understand that this is, you know, this is going to be you as a woman giving birth to your baby. And, you know, we’ll have that as a plan B, but super great herbalist. And I’m like, wow, you are going to be such a. You already are such a valuable asset to this community.

But, you know, lots and lots of people would like to become healers, you know, And I. One of my neighbors is an airline stewardess for JetBlue. And I’m like, look, hey, I start the conversation here in Puerto Rico because we have hurricanes. I’m like, hey, have you prepared for the hurricane season? You know, do you have a little bit of food and some fuel and a way to filter water and stuff like that? You know, and they, you know, there’s either yes or no or whatever. And then as I’ve gotten to know her, I’m like, look, you know this.

Did you know that the SPR is now below 300 million barrels and the bottom is supposedly 300 million? I don’t know how this is continuing to go on, but at some point, this is going to stop. And so is discretionary travel, and so is your job. Have you, like, really thought and. And at first she was just shocked. She was. How come nobody told me? I’m like, well, I’m telling you now, you know, that whatever media you’re watching, that’s not telling you you should not pay any attention to that anymore, you know? So she started digging into it a little bit, and she’s looking around, and I’m like, well, what do you want to do? What have you always really wanted to do? And she was like, well, I really would like to be an herbalist.

And I’m like, well, let’s start figuring out, you know, there’s a woman here in a town next door that’s really. Knows all the local plants, and she teaches classes. And, you know, we’re going to hook her up with that. And I’m like, let’s make a transition plan because you’re. You’re going to be Laid off. I know, soon, you know, probably before the end of the year, you know. Yeah, but, but in this transition, I think, I think some people had that experience during 2020, during the lockdowns, whether they believed in the pandemic or not. They were like, what am I doing with my life? I know my, my accounting firm, which I’m not ever going to use anymore because I’ll just use an AI to do that.

But they lost a lot of people. And I was talking to Doug the head guy and I’m like, wow, Doug, what happened? He said, well, a bunch of them realized they didn’t want to be accountants. Wow. Yeah, I get it. You know, you spend some time alone at home and look into your own soul, so. But I believe there’s going to be just a tremendous amount of opportunity. It’s just not going to look like that thing that’s been painted for us and told to us, which is the dream, you know. Yeah, so, yeah, so we’ve, I mean, we mentioned that just by virtue of the jobs going away to AI or to economic collapse or the combination thereof or, or the fact that people can’t afford groceries, there’s things that are nudging people forward into a new, different kind of way of living.

And yeah, that’s, that is. Well, you left, you left Oracle ahead of time, which is good. Like, didn’t they just lay off 20,000 people? They’ve done it a few times now. And yeah, it was, I left before they sort of became the poster child for AI and data centers and Trump’s Stargate stuff. But I mean, they were always a CIA funded, it was never a good place to be. So it was very interesting to see the inside of that organization. And you know, I’d worked at startups most of my, at that point, most of my life.

And at a startup there’s no room for anything other than we have a mission, go execute, get it, get it done. And then so to go from that culture after the acquisition into Oracle, where they said, hey, great job on being on everything you’re doing, but hey, Uncle Larry has a couple things he wants you to do. Wants you to add water. Right? Not just. It was a company called Opower and we, and we had tracked the data from smart meters and they made deals with utility companies to gradually go in and get more and more smart meter data and eventually built up this huge, biggest repository of energy usage data in the world.

And Oracle was more than happy to buy. I think that’s actually what they were buying. They could care less about the, about the people of OPower. And that turned out very much to be the case. Most people drifted away because Oracle didn’t care about them. And they came down with Uncle Larry’s directives, which were add water so we can track everything and then move all that technology into the cloud. I know your customers are asking for stuff, don’t worry about that. For the next two or three years, all you need to be doing is getting it into the cloud where we can see the data.

And so we were this one startup company, a couple hundred people that then merged into 140,000 people and everything stopped while they handed all that data over to whatever you want to think is in Oracle’s cloud. I mean it’s pretty clear the way those things are architected is you get yourself, you know, you request your networks and your storage and everything from some other team somewhere in the 120,000 people massive organization and no one really then at that point has any idea who’s able to see into what networking compartments or whatever. So somewhere behind the scenes there could very, I mean it’s entirely easy to imagine that there’s a team that has like ability to come in and view that data where the business isn’t, it’s like it’s a different layer of it.

The business isn’t aware of it. But that’s why Uncle Larry, to me, this is my personal opinion in later reflections on what happened when bought one company is everything stopped and they got it into the cloud where the CIA, which funded the company in the first place, had visibility into the data that they wanted and now all that smart meter data is going straight into there. So that’s, yeah, it was sort of my, my. So what’s your, what’s your take? Like I’m, I am just fascinated with these AI data center build outs and I mean there’s so many interesting conversations about what they’re actually for.

Like they, I just saw one on a totally reliable source. Tick tock. It was so interesting though. They’re like, here’s the data center above ground and then there’s like six layers below ground. And the reason they need all that water is because they’ve got whole cities underneath there and they need, you know, water and plumbing and you know, stuff to make food and whatever. And I’m like, wow, that is like, you know, of course they’re doing that with the ballroom in Washington D.C. and even the DJT isn’t, you know, let us know that that’s what’s going on there.

Like, I’m like, that is so fantastical. And like, the data center on top is just like kind of the COVID for the whole thing in some ways. Although I’m sure, you know, there. What is your take on the. I mean. And then, of course, data for monitor and tracking. Oh, I saw another good one. I do report on these from time to time. This guy was grown up in a. In an era where they played this video game. I’m. I’m not a video game person, but the gist of the video game was that there were all these AI powered robots that were out to kill humans.

And he was going. And. And then he pointed out that several of the largest data centers that are being built in Washington, D.C. are named after demons. And I think they were demons in the game or whatever. Anyway, he was tying it to this video game where he was like, they need these data centers to control all these AI robots that are going to go out and, you know, create warfare with humans or something. There’s so many interesting theories about what AI data centers are for, and I’m wondering, you want to throw one in the hat? I’m kind of in a yes and position here.

I think, like, there’s a. There can be truth to all these things. So what you. You were starting off by saying that they’re. They’re not. It’s kind of like Denver Airport, where, like, you see a data center on top, but actually it’s just a node that’s connecting to this massive underground network of cities that they’re building. That was the. That was the theory. That was the first one. Yeah. And, you know, that kind of dovetails into, like, Katherine Austin Fitz, who’s saying, you know, there’s this 20, 22 trillion that we know of that’s missing. I’m willing to bet there’s a lot more.

With the magic computers that Musk went ahead and was told to reveal. I don’t even. I mean, physically building that, like, that’s a lot of earth and material and stuff that has to move and how do you feed anyway? There’s all kinds of questions about how do you possibly do something like that. But. Yeah. What. What are your thoughts on. On that? I might have to take a yes and approach here, because I think there could be truth to some of these things. They. They want to cause the problems. I think, you know, we’ve seen that there’s an agenda to take control of water, and you need more water problems to do that, so.

And they’re very clearly draining the aquifers we know there’s technology available that wouldn’t require that much water for these data centers to operate even at the scale they do. So it’s, it’s kind of like a well, why are they doing this on purpose? It’s not a cost, it just doesn’t make, it doesn’t make rational sense. And so that’s why you’re then invited to think about maybe there’s some deeper things here. I think, you know, they could have been causing, wanting to cause a pushback from people, right? So causing problems. There’s situations like the, the folks in, around Tahoe Lake where they’re like, hey guys, 50,000 people, you’re gonna, you’re not gonna have power starting mid next year.

Like you, it was great. They gave them a year like you got a year and there are no other alternatives, but you got a year to get power operating at that, at that scale and with that kind of a budget and you feel the need to cut off 50,000 people of power. Like that’s not, that’s not real, right? That’s, that’s a, that’s. They’re poking the bear. So I think there’s, there’s a layer, you know, lots of layers. I think they’re trying to get people to, to be upset about that. And that was, I had that suspicion.

And then when we saw FBI, dhs, etc come out and say watch out, there’s a new kind of domestic terrorist that’s anti technology and they’re Neo Luddites that are going to start being violent everywhere. And they were, you know, they put this out. So I think they are anticipating and they want a new kind of pushback that they can say if you don’t like the data centers, if you don’t want AI running government, you know, there’s, there’s a bunch going on here. The World Economic Forum has been saying for decades, it’s, we’re going to hand it over to the AIs to run everything.

It’ll be, that’s the technocracy, right? That’s what it means. And, and so we have to cause a bunch of problems and put in some really bad tempered nationalists so that people eventually will say, whoa, this is, we can’t have this anymore. Maybe after the nukes, you know, fall, then we’ll say, okay, these humans are too, just too scatterbrained and crazy and ego driven and we need to hand it over to the computers and that’ll be the thing. And then if you resist that, well, they’ve already got this Category of new domestic extremists. Yeah, yep, yep. So there’s another layer, problem reaction solutions.

So they’re actually intentionally. I know I was talking to my son about Flock, and yeah, he’s pretty clued in. He’s like, not following this that closely. He leaves that up to mom. But we were talking about the Flock cameras and those videos that have come out. But people are like, by the way, there. It’s not true that there’s a half of ounce of reclaim, easily reclaimable silver. You know, it’s not true that the camera and the battery and the solar panel are worth, you know, a thousand dollars on the secondary market. You know, like this kind of stuff.

And he was like, don’t disconnect the battery if once you take it down. Yeah, right. And he was like, well, mom, you know, the way I’ve been seeing that everywhere, it makes me think that it’s some kind of psyop. And he says, and yeah, and you, you know, did, you know, like the competing company, I forget what the name of it is. He says, yeah, you know, DJT is one of his kids owns that. So he was thinking, yeah, they’re putting this whole Flock thing out there and letting people rage against Flock and meanwhile, they’re outlaying, They’re.

They’re completely building out this whole other, you know, system. But they’re letting people vent on Flock and. Yeah, creating more distraction, whatever. So I raised a good boy there, I think. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It’s a critical thinker. So good, so good to see. Another theory I saw was the, you know, they’ve been making a lot of noise around the, like the, the cybernetic technology where they take neurons, human neurons, and then graft, build small brains that are grafted into these chips. And so maybe that’s like, if people have a resistance to that, which just sounds horrific, I think, to most people, sensible people, then maybe they say, well, this is.

Look at the data. If we don’t want to build these behemoth monster data centers that are causing all these problems, then you’re going to have to let us merge brains with digital circuits. I don’t know. And then, yeah, there’s the technical demands of. Clearly, at a technical level, they are moving everything into their huge clouds. They’re stopping making memory for consumer devices. And so everything just going to be a thin little wrapper and everyone. No longer will you have your computer or your phone. You just have a tiny little thing which is a window into their system, which of course gives them, I think, I have one here.

Yeah. This is why I’m pretty sure my business is going to not be viable because I put like all of my data on a one terabyte drive and these are getting harder and harder and harder and more expensive to source. And it’s like, oh, I’m competing with a data center because what you have in your hand, they can’t come in and take off. Right. When they, when they decide that it’s time to change the information available to the plebs, they can’t go onto your sticks and do that. So everything’s got to be in the cloud where they can come through and censor it.

And we’ve already seen them. That’s what’s crazy. We’ve already seen them doing that. Right Where Amazon goes onto people’s Kindles and takes off purchases. I think it was, yeah. Burning. Oh, wow. Doing a conversation with Glenn Meter and he was saying that they’re actually going back through the Internet and like deleting a whole bunch of stuff. Stuff. Like they’re just completely changing the narrative it to be whatever narrative they want it to be, but they’re, they’re getting. Yeah. So I’m like, okay, well, you know, actually I originally put this together because I, I, you know, I knew that I could see the writing on the wall for the Grow network.

Like, I’m already way in debt and I’m, you know, and I’ve got a. Been laying off people and firing people and sales are dropping, you know, like, you know, I’m, I’m small business, front line of the economy, I can tell you. The economy is being intentionally dismantled. Right. So I did this initially because I was like, hey, like, you know, almost 15, 20 years of my life has been on creating videos and ebooks and blog posts and all kinds of stuff. And I like. And some of it’s here, you know, some of it’s on YouTube, some of it’s on Vimeo, some of it’s on this website, some of it’s, you know, and I really just wanted to gather it for myself.

And then, you know, eventually when I did shut the whole thing, I’m like, oh, other. Actually, other people asked me for it. So I’m like, okay, well, we’ll do that as long as we can, but I’m gonna soon be selling guinea pigs. That’s fantastic. That’s. That’s the future right there. Local. Oh, my God. Yeah. I had so much fun because I was watching your, your thing there and I made a comment about it to my Community of you were like, yeah, and the chickens and the pigs and the goats. And I said they never mentioned guinea pigs.

Totally under the radar meat source there, you know. Oh, well, well, we’ve got good chain. We got changes coming. And I, I honestly do not believe, I mean, no totalitarian regime ever really succeeds. I, I just, I don’t believe that that’s why you and I would have incarnated into this, you know, lifetime. I, I don’t believe that that is the purpose of life. I, you know, is it going to get a lot rougher before it all ends? Probably. It certainly looks that way. Yeah. But I, I agree, but I think. Yeah. And, and the scope of this totalitarianism is so much greater and all encompassing than any previous attempt that.

Yeah. That it’ll be maybe a little bit longer and a little more interesting to, to watch it play out. But yeah, I agree. Especially when this attempt, as we’ve sort of intimated a few times in this conversation, is so wide reaching as to attempt to capture human consciousness itself, then I think that is something that is beautiful and slippery and the harder they squeeze, I think the more of us that will fall through that, that grip, grab, grapple. Yeah. So it’ll be interesting. Anyway, I, I do agree. I think there’s, there’s a lot of us that came that are now really realizing what, what we’re in for and what it’s about.

And, and there, there has been somewhat of a bifurcation or a divide, but I’m very, very hopeful, really very hopeful for, for the future. So anyway, it’s a lot more fun hanging out with people that are sort of aware of what’s going on. Well, Christian, it’s been really delightful. We’re going to have to do this again sometimes. Best way. What is. What is the best way? What’s your, your prime? I, I subscribe to you on, on Substack and I love your, your reports. What, what is the best way though, for, for getting in touch with you or following your work? Substack works.

You can find that@unshadowed.org There is a YouTube channel which is oddly unshadowed too. And then the Telegram channel, ich Farmer is still there. So I’m sort of a branding disaster right now, but that’s just rolling with it. Whenever I created a channel with Ice Age Farmer, it was immediately deleted. So I had to get a little creative with that. But yeah, any of those will work and I’ve enjoyed the conversation. Marjorie, let me ask you though. What do you like how do you balance sort of the black pilled thinking or if someone comes to you and they’re just totally in that despair, how do you usually reconcile that with getting back to a way where people can operate? Well, I just have them focus on what.

But what do they really like doing and what do they love? You know, what, what has meaning for you? You know, and one thing, my older brother is in his 80s, right. He knows he’s not going to make it through this thing, but he’s, he’s just discovered learning languages, like, and so he’s learning languages all the time. And there are so many solutions. I mean I’ve always been about like, you know, we do have, there’s a famine coming, there’s make no, no doubt about it, right? They’ve cut off half of the world’s fertilizer production. Your reports talk about you can grow food with your own hand, you know, and yeah, they’re going to do the water metering thing, but you know, you can divert a, a pipe off your roof and collect rainwater, you know, or, you know, almost anything that they throw at us.

There are solutions to it. So, you know, and I really just begin to point out to people what, what are some of the things that you can do? And, and especially my friend who’s like, she’s realizing, you know, the stewardess like realizing that like her life is going to change dramatically and she’s like, oh, that’s scary. And I’m like, you know, start focusing on what you can do and it won’t be so scary. Start focusing on shifting and being proactive and you know, looking, you know, looking at what resources you have and what you can put together and you know, like just focus on, on, on the good, the beautiful and the true.

And I really do believe we’re all here and, and I mean, you know, in the 5D reality we’re all, we’re not mechanical devices. And you do have a lot more resources. I know people talk to me like, oh, I couldn’t do that. And I’m like, well why don’t you stop for a minute and ask inwardly and say, look, I really want this or I need help with this. Can you help me? And use, if you have a particular religious structure, use that. Or if not just your higher self, you know, if you want to talk to God, whatever way you want to phrase it, you will be.

And then keep an open mind. Like the answer could come to you when you’re driving by and you see a billboard in a crazy advertisement or it could be a phrase on a song on the radio. Well, we don’t listen to radios anymore, but, you know, it could come from anywhere. You’re just walking by and you hear a snippet, a conversation or a slogan on someone’s T shirt, you know, be. Have an open mind, know that that answer is going to come to you. And you do have resources. I think that is the strength that we have is we have resources in the, you know, the etheric realms or the imaginary realms or whatever you want to.

I, you know, I’ve really, really need to come up with some, some good languaging about it. But there are dimensions beyond physical reality that we can access and we actually are a part of and you can tap into and that you, you’re way more powerful than you’ve ever been led to believe. So one of the reasons I like to explode different myths, you know, is I’m going to have to go down that nuclear bomb one, you know, another one is population. Like I do. I don’t think there’s eight and a half billion people on the planet.

But the one, the reasons I like to explode these is because it just. You can open your mind. You’ve been lied to about basically every single thing you can imagine. In fact, the CIA has told you that like, I think it was in the 70s that one director said, you know, our job will be complete when everything the Americans believe is a lie. Right. It’s a classic quote. Yeah, yeah. You know, and so just believe, you know, just like really have an open mind. And you are way, way. They want you to be intoxicated and drugged and despaired and, and depressed and whatever.

You know, you have a lot more power and, and they’re terrified of you, honestly. So, yeah, tap into that. Yeah, I think you’re, I think you’re dead on. And, and you’re right. Especially I want to highlight, like when you say open up, right. If you’re in black pill thinking, you’re just, you already think we’re all screwed. It’s not. There’s just nothing I can do. And so you’re not receptive, but if you can, can sort of open back up like we said, the. When you’re in your garden, you feel these things working with you. And I think that’s true of like the entire experience, the entire waking life, like you said, just walking by someone’s T shirt or you hear some, some guy say, wouldn’t it be cool if.

And you’re like, I can make that happen, right? I can do that here in this community and make a difference. So tuning in and just being a little more attentive to, like, what is someone or something trying to tell me something here? Because sometimes messages are coming in that. That people are missing, I think. And. Yeah, and also that’s why, you know, this whole. Another thing that seems very clearly to be a psyop is this whole, oh, our AI escaped from our lab again. Oh, yeah, that one. Yeah, yeah. Right. Gosh. In general, AI, like the boogeyman.

That’s the big boogeyman. They very much want you to think that if they just add enough circuits or enough data centers or whatever, that the AI will become conscious. And that’s just such a crazy thing to me. It’s always been very clear, because any of these systems that are built with transistors, you can also build with, like, pipes and water. Right. Or any physical medium or even in. My son was showing. I love having kids because it’s like, great exposure to things you wouldn’t have encountered otherwise. And my son was showing me someone had built a, you know, a chatbot, an LLM, inside of Minecraft using Redstone.

And so it’s, it’s. That makes it totally clear that no amount of Redstone, no number of Minecraft blocks or data centers in Minecraft will ever produce somehow a conscious being in Minecraft. Right? No. No water. No longer. No matter how big you build these pipes or how much water you run through them, the AIs you could implement there. And the same is true of the silicon transistors. No amount of data centers, no amount of GPUs, will ever magically create the ghosts in a machine. Consciousness doesn’t, doesn’t. It isn’t there. Reality doesn’t work like that, you know.

Yeah. I think your human physical body is an unbelievable creation, you know, and the more you get into, like, the ratio of your fingers to your wrist to your arms and the. All the, you know, biogeometry and the. And the sacred geometry and the. And all the systems and the magic, like. Yeah. And consciousness. Yeah. If you spend any time at all studying consciousness, they can’t make consciousness happen. Yeah. It’s a. It’s a total gift. And hopefully more and more people are going to start actually using it. We will hope so. Yeah. I think so. I think so.

Yeah. I’m very hopeful, you know, I’m very hopeful. I’m really looking forward to, you know, I like giving to people and helping people. And, you know, in. In this reality, sometimes you. You have to really be Careful about that, you know, or, you know, you can, you can be taken advantage of. Right? Or. But I got to tell you, Christian, read a book called Tribe. It’s a really, really good book. And it’s. The guy’s name is younger, something younger. And a little thin book too. I like little thin books. You can read quickly. And he talks about when things get really, really.

They actually become really good. Because humans, you know, we don’t. I mean, I’m sure there will be scenarios where people are turning in on each other and cannibalism and all the horrific stuff. A lot of that is also a psy up that’s made up when people, when things get really, really bad. People revert to a basic fundamental tribal instinct and tribal unit of caring for each other. And that is actually something I think that all of us have really, really hungered and longed for because it’s been completely wiped out of, you know, modern life. Right? Yeah.

You had to be in a really bad situation to experience that. Right. We’ve been kept comfortable, especially in the U.S. i think people have been kept comfortable for so long that, that they haven’t had one of those situations maybe over, you know, as a, as a, at a grand scale, though, like people have had bad situations in their life and maybe, you know, the community comes out for them. But I’m thinking specifically of the wildfires in California showed me a side of, of just people coming out. It didn’t matter. It wasn’t even a tribal. It was just wherever you were, you went out and you helped the people.

Didn’t matter what language they spoke or what color they were or what kind of animals they had. You said, here’s my truck. Let’s get your animals out of here before they burn. Right? These. We got to get this done. It wasn’t exactly. There’s no thought like, wait, this has to happen now. I’m here, you’re here, let’s get it done. And exactly everything else just falls away. And I think we saw some of that in post Soviet collapse in Cuba where there was just a massive explosion of creativity and urban growing and people coming together and said, holy shit, like those boats aren’t coming anymore.

We got to get this done. We got to feed our families. And so there’s just a tremendous development. All these things that, that if you expect what the system tells you to expect, everyone would be dead on that island within a few weeks. They just tear each other’s throats out and there’d be no food and it’d be over, but that’s not what happened. And so conversations like this one are important to seed that idea that there are other options available. If the system were to collapse like that in an instant, that also might be a reason why they don’t want that, why they actually want the slow burn and just constantly throttling away at things.

And that’s a good point. Yeah, they are definitely masters of human psychology. So, yeah, the slow grind is definitely a way to keep you way more controllable. So, on the other hand, they got to balance that with. They’re waking more people up. So I don’t know. Anyway, regardless, it’s going to be a painful transition, but I am very hopeful that there is going to be some wonderful stuff that comes out of it. We just got to hang tough, change some things, open our minds, open our hearts. We’ll get through it. Yeah. Oh, it was going to be so fun.

Well, Christian, thanks so much for coming on. It’s been way too long, my friend, you know? Absolutely. I’m glad you’re back. So glad you’re back. Yeah. Marjorie, thanks so much for inviting me on. It’s been a pleasure. Alrighty. We’ll talk to you later. Okay. Take care.
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