Real Intel: Power Struggles Fueled by Blackmail Surveillance Coercion w/ Dr. Dave Janda

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Sa Sam physically threatened for bringing this information forward and demonized. Okay. And that’s this, this new exposure. And let’s give Tulsi Gabbard a lot of credit for bringing this forward. Question is, why now? And we’ll get to that in a second. But what about a seditious conspiracy which you and I and several others identified many years ago and. And the whole issue of Epstein Maxwell and the intelligence agencies in the human trafficking. A quick break to share with you this wonderful product called Masterpiece. It is proven to taking out graphene oxide, aluminums, heavy metals, microplastics. They also are looking at these Mac address and there’s more and more research and there’s studies coming out.

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And look for the link below where you can buy Masterpiece yourself. It’ll provide you a discount. Or you can go to sarah westall.com under shop. Welcome to business Game changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have my friend Dr. Dave Janda coming back to the program. We have become good friends over the years and we have covered a lot of tough subjects together over the years and in parallel. And he’s been on my show. I’ve been on his show on many occasions. He’s somebody that I confide in and talk to. He’s an amazing person. I think he has more contacts in the Deep State Swamp DC area than pretty much anybody I know.

He’s served in some capacity for four different presidential administrations and he has deep insight into what’s going on. We’re going to talk about two major things, the Epstein files and the Russia collusion hoax and the reaction of the Deep state between those two and what the reality could be and could not be. We, we’re going to talk through that. It’s an analysis you probably have not heard elsewhere. He’s also going to tell you a backstory that he had when he was on Oprah’s show right before September 11th. That’s at the end. It’s an incredibly powerful, powerful story.

I hope you stay for that. I was moved. I was moved to tears almost in one of that conversation. I think you will be too. I think it was a really powerful discussion or powerful story. Before we get into that, I want to remind you that I have webinars on my sub stack. I just did a webinar with Glenn and Eric Meter about privacy. I recommend you go see that one. And I also have one on quantum energy. I have one with Andy Schectman for Miles Franklin on how you know what’s going on in the precious metals.

I have another one with Dr. Diane Kaser on peptides. It has been an amazing season of webinars. I’m starting to do that. I want to talk about the edge of change and bring in the really good people to talk about subjects that people are really interested in. And privacy is one of those. We talk about the five different things that everybody can do. It’s free and five different things that you can do to keep yourself safer online. It’s not about just being worried about Big Brother surveillance. It’s also about keeping yourself safe from scams and from somebody stealing your data.

And that happens all the time. You hear the scam, somebody steals your identity. You need to do some things that are safe online to protect yourself. And also if you don’t want to be spied on, not just by the government, by other characters as well. And so it’s a, it’s a great thing to go watch, a great service, I think to people for free. I will have the link below to that one. And also for my substack, my show is my the other webinars after four weeks goes into a paywall. It’s only $8 a month to watch these or to be a member.

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Do a thumbs up and share this conversation today. I really, really appreciate that when you do that it’s a way to get it out. It’s hard, you know, if you can restack and substack. If you have a channel on Rumble, share it there. If you have an X account, share it there. It really helps get my word out and keeps me maybe a little bit getting out from underneath the suppression algorithms. So let’s get into this really good conversation I have with my friend Dave Janda. Hi, Dave. Welcome back to the program. Thank you, Sarah. I appreciate all you do and how you do it.

Thanks for having one of the very few who is willing to have Dave on their platform. Thank you. Well, I don’t know why it would be that way. I mean, you’re one of the best out there. You’ve worked in some capacity for four different presidential administrations. You’re more connected than almost anybody. You’re one of the smartest people, period, in media. The fact that you aren’t hounded to go on shows is incredible to me. And the fact that you’re not a household name and everywhere is just a sign that people, that those of us are, we’re just completely suppressed.

So that’s very sweet and, and it’s very kind of you to say all that. And I believe that the more you tell the truth, the more you tell people, in particular, people in power, what they need to know, and it’s not what they want to hear. And you’re a living example of this. The. The more suppressed, censored, and shoved under the rug you become. So if you would take a survey of people with an R and D after their name in, in D.C. and mention my name, you’ll get a lot of this because of my honesty and bringing forward information that people need to know.

And it’s not what they want to hear because they’re essentially being paid to not hear, and they’re paid to push an agenda that really doesn’t help the. The 99.9% of us that are not in that faction called, and I don’t want to use the term elite, but are in that faction called the Syndicate, because they’re really not elite. They’re not intellectually elite. They, they, they are not elite from a doing what’s right, from a humanitarian standpoint, they’re exactly the opposite. So those of us, and unfortunately, there are very few of us, and I’m not just saying this because we’re together, but you’re one of the very few that doesn’t have some type of ties, either direct or tangential, to this Syndicate that has really perpetrated huge crimes against humanity, not just in our country, but the world.

You know, one of my, one of my favorite quotes is from an author by the name of Frank Herbert. And it’s about the people in government. And it’s kind of a, if you will, a springboard to what we were going to talk about. And here’s what he said. Quote, all governments suffer a recurring problem. And this has been my experience, as you know, as you mentioned, I started as an advisor, as a consultant to the Reagan administration and health care policy that they, because President Reagan found my approach to cutting health care costs of focusing on preventing people from getting injured, preventing people from getting ill as a wonderful means of cutting costs versus let’s just, well, let’s just ration care.

Right. So but my experience since 88 to the present in the swap is exactly what Herbert talks about. All governments suffer a recurring problem. Power attracts pathological personalities. It’s not that power corrupts, but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. End quote. And this is not just true of governments. It’s true of what we call the bought off lamestream fake media. It’s true about the hierarchy. I believe in many private sector enormous businesses. It’s true of the Hollywood, it’s true of the educational system in the hierarchy. Not like us, the grunts on the front line. And what they did not anticipate was a small number of people being able to point out what these corrupt individuals in all these different levels are doing.

So the independent media, and I don’t think this is an overstatement, some people will believe that the independent media is what actually has saved what’s left. Yeah. Of humanity. Yep. And unfortunately, and we won’t name names, but there are significant people in the independent media that aren’t so independent that starting seven, eight years ago, the pathologic personalities in government, in industry, in whatever, in the media said, you know, these people are eating our lunch. You know, Sarah Westall is getting 500,000 views on a video. This Janda characters getting 500,000 views on a Video. And, and our CNN video is getting 50,000.

So what they started to do is essentially pick a number of people off in the independent media. And they took some people in their lamestream media and said let’s make it look like we’re having a problem with them and shove them into the independent media to suck all the air out of the room. And we know who we’re talking about there. And in the process, if you really want to know who’s telling you what you need to know. And it’s not what they want you to hear. Look who’s being suppressed. Look who’s being deplatformed. Look who’s being censored.

And then look at whose numbers are going way up. And you and the people who is going. Who are now who have been going up for the past several years, let’s say, during COVID and after, are people that have, I believe, some type of ties, either direct or tangential. Somehow they’re getting their bread buttered to what’s. Let’s call it the syndicate. And in the process, people like you and me and a couple others, they just keep trying to shove under the rug. Yep. And I think, I think it’s even more insidious some of. Like, for example, your YouTube numbers.

Not only, you know, for 180,000 subscribers or how many you have, you haven’t gained a single subscriber in years. You actually went backwards and you’re getting maybe 800 views of video. I mean, it’s so ridiculous, I think. And I caught them doing this when we sued Google. I caught our YouTube. We should Google for really YouTube, but had to sue Google. I caught them the video because they had. They aired the district court case as we were in front of the district 9th. The 9th Circuit, actually, and they aired that video. And the video numbers, the views were higher the night before.

And then I went and looked at it and they decreased it by 90%. I am convinced they’re decreasing view count on people to say, look, there’s nothing here. These people are not worth your time. And they don’t send out notifications. I have been on the back end of our YouTube channel, and I’ve actually watched the view count numbers. While I’m on the back end looking at numbers. I’ve watched them go down. Well, I remember when I had my channel before it was kicked off, you know how they have the. The plus and the minus. They have a channel that’s.

And I think they have an algorithm that I’m a data analyst by, by training. That’s what I’ve done. And so I always look at those details. I understand the algorithms. And so when I saw that chart and I saw it go into the red every so often, what they did is their algorithm was, was. Was deleting too many. It should not go. And so that’s why it went negative. They were their algorithm algorithms. It was. The only way that could possibly humanly happen is because they were doing that. No. And this is what they do to those of us that aren’t controlled and that don’t have any ties to the Syndicate.

So let’s talk about, and we talked about this before, but let’s talk about two pretty prime time issues right now that you and I have been speaking about for a decade and have been termed to be conspiracy theorists, lunatics, being hyperbolic, being wrong. We have been slandered, libeled, threatened, physically threatened for bringing this information forward and demonized. Okay? And that’s this, this new exposure. And let’s give Tulsi Gabbard a lot of credit for bringing this forward. Question is, why now? And we’ll get to that in a second. But what about a seditious conspiracy which you and I and several others identified many years ago, and, and the whole issue of Epstein Maxwell and the intelligence agencies in the human trafficking.

And in fact, I do believe there is a tie there, and the tie has to do with, with the timing. So let’s get everybody that doesn’t want this to come out. Get all, get them all revved up. Sarah. March 19, 2017. General Tom McInerney, with the assistance of Admiral Ace alliance, came on my Operation Freedom radio show. Yeah. Live show on Sundays that people can listen to. They can go to my website, davejan.com and hit the listen live. You listen for free. And if you want the podcast, a part of our subscription site side. But they came on my show and they spoke in the last half hour of the show about a surveillance system that had been developed years before, very sophisticated, that was monitoring terrorist activities and actually had a track record of protecting our homeland.

And it was being used by our intelligence agencies to monitor terrorists. And starting and this was March 19, 2017, Obama was president that years before that, Obama, along with Biden and Brennan, his, their Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Clapper, their Director of National Intelligence, Mueller, as well as Comey, former FBI Director and FBI Director Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State and Susan Rice, just to name a few, had commandeered a politically correct term for stole this surveillance platform that was effectively used to monitor again against terrorists against our homeland in the United States. They took it for their own private use and used it for political espionage that they illegally surveilled Citizen Trump at the time, for years before the 2016 election.

Flynn and thousands of others that they determined to be political opponents, let’s call them this was a criminal act. And remember, one of the key players in this was John Brennan, the director of the CIA. And when the CIA was, was put into place after the oss, which it kind of spawned into the CIA. Their charter says they cannot be involved in domestic activities. Yeah, right. Let’s talk Dallas 1963. Okay. So they have been involved for decades in domestic operations, but that alone was a violation of, of the CIA’s directives of what Brennan was involved in and the rest of them.

And they came on air and spoke about this and that it was being used to illegally surveil of phone calls, text messages, financial transactions, emails across the board. And it was also being used on corporate espionage to, to get this. Barack Obama doesn’t have these 15 houses around the world or whatever he has because he has really good book sales. So do you think they were using the corporate thing to blackmail people to get them to get information part of it, and also insider information so that they could put on financial positions because they knew something bad might be coming out of that company? That’s why Nancy Pelosi’s husband’s the top trader the market has ever seen in the history of the market.

So this platform was called the Hammer. And a whistleblower had come forward who had some questionable things in his past, but still was brilliant technologically. And he had turned over documentation in late 2015 to the FBI. 46 hard drives of the illegals because he, he was, he saw what they were doing with this Brennan Clapper, Obama, Biden, Comey, Mueller, Rice and Clinton and said, I don’t want to be a part of this. This is really bad. And they cut him an immunity agreement when he turned those 46 hard drives in of the criminality. And then they brought him back to Washington a couple months later after they reviewed the hard drives.

And I think they put him through a 15 hour interrogation. And at the end of that interrogation, they gave him full immunity. But he also got slapped with a judge through the Director of National Intelligence at the time of a state secrets privilege, which is essentially the highest end gag order. Anyone can have that. If you speak to anybody about what you spoke about in that interrogation and what you turned over to us and you don’t even. You go right to Leavenworth solitary confinement for the rest of your life. It’s. That’s how they hide their crimes is through crap like that.

And they always say it’s national security, cloak it in national security. Right. So General McInerney brought this forward. Now, now it’s interesting because prior to a couple days before that, there are two investigative reporters, Fannings and Jones, who put information out in a story on american report.org about that system. And Admiral Lyons had told Me that he had had information from people inside the intelligence community about this and when that went public, then he felt they could start to talk about it. Now, the reason why this is significant is because we had that conversation live on the radio March 19, 2017, when years, several years later, the Department of Justice Inspector General, Michael Horowitz released text messages between Strzok and Page, those two beauties at the FBI who are also working for the intelligence agencies.

They were talking within a half hour after our interview was completed about the interview and they continue to text about it till 11 o’ clock at night and about getting Jim involved. Jim? Who’s Jim? Yeah. Well, we found out who Jim was because the next morning, March 20, 2017, there was an emergency congressional hearing held and Jim Comey was the featured and only witness. And it was the first time in public. Now, they had been doing this behind the scenes, shuffling information to the bought off lamestream fake media about the Russian collusion. It was the first time in public that Comey or any government officials spoke about the concern of Russian collusion with Donald Trump.

They had to get that information that was presented on our show off the radar screen and divert it to Russian collusion, not about the illegal surveillance. So Tulsi Gabbard, eight years later, now is bringing information forward that it truly was a Russian collusion hoax, that the integral players were the same players we were talking about and the information they gleaned was through an illegal surveillance platform. Everything that was brought forward at that time that we got creamed for. Yep. And you on your platform? In my. We had IT whistleblowers extraordinaire with incredible track record. Kirk Wiebe, Bill Binney, I had Paul Rosenberg, I had an entire IT team of a dozen and a half people with, I mean, umpteen years experience in IT cybersecurity.

That confirmed all of this to me about this platform, its existence and what it could do and what it was doing and what it did do. But we were demonized, Sarah. So eight years later, all of a sudden, it’s new news when, and give her a lot of credit, Tulsi Gabbard brought it forward. Look, Durham could have brought it forward. Hoover could have brought it forward. Bill Barr could have brought it forward. Jeff Sessions could have brought it forward. The Director of National Intelligence, Radcliffe, now he’s the Director of the CIA, could have brought it. None of them did.

But you think they brought it forward because of something maybe alternative interior motives? Right. So get, I believe, well, General Flynn came out and I, I I’ve interviewed General Flynn. In fact, the first video interview he did was with me after he got pardoned. And I brought up to him in that interview. Now, understand this is still a platform, this hammer. It’s still considered a sensitive compartmented information category entity. And if you’ve been read in on it, you really can’t talk about, you can’t talk about it because it’s not legal. The government can’t do this legally.

So in the interview I said, you know, there have been some documents presented in court under penalty of perjury. And in particular, actually at the, it was late, it was a couple days before President Trump stepped aside in, in January of, of 2021. I said, but Radcliffe finally stepped up and said, felt that there was election interference and it was coming through the electronic side, through the, through the voting machine side, in addition to the mail in ballots and a multifactorial thing, but a big part of it was the electronic side. And he said, yeah, I saw that.

And I go, do you have any problems with what he said in that? No, no, I do believe that there was electronic interference. And again, this platform could be used in a means of electronic interference with any kind of machine, let alone a voting machine. Right? Yep. But I also said there’s a, A, a deposition under oath of one of the smartest people supposedly in it security in the world. In fact, cyber security. In fact, the New York Times has said any room you walk into, where this guy is in, he is the smartest person in the room, no matter who else walks into the room, any living human being.

The guy’s name is Kashvara’s Naya. And he has, he put a court deposition and he said that he documented the use of the ham, this, this illegal survey, this what became illegal surveillance tool that was utilized by Obama and crew. And, and remember when they did this illegal surveillance, they knew Trump was included with the Russians. That’s why they had to make up the Steele dossier. They knew Flynn did nothing wrong. This is why they had to entrap him in that office interview. Now, that was the justification from them taking those steps because they knew they couldn’t, they didn’t have anything on them based on what they did illegally.

And in Kashvara’s Naya has also documented this. And I said, do you have a problem with that? And General Flynn said, no, I don’t. Okay, so when this started leaking out now with Tulsi, this information that you and I have been talking about for eight years, been demonized for Doing it here. Here’s just a statement that part of a statement General Flynn made. The architects of the silent clue didn’t just lie. They launched the internal war on a duly elected president, the American people who put him there. This wasn’t oversight, it was treason wrapped in a security clearance.

A covert operation carried out from within the highest level of our own government. Now here’s the key. Here’s the key line. They weaponized the agencies we trusted. They falsified intelligence, they abused. What was the name of this surveillance platform that they used illegally? Hammer. Yeah, okay, did he mention it? Hold on. They utilized every tool meant to protect us and instead targeted us. Instead. He’s telling you. And for what? To stop Donald Trump, a duly elected President of the United States, and to undermine the American system of government and to stop you and every American. Well, you know, it came out right before the 2016 election that they were spying on the Trump administration.

That was. We were all talking about that during. Right before the election. They also, Obama, the week before he left office, he did a presidential, what do you call it, you know, where they do the executive order allowing shared data between all intelligence agencies within the US Government. Right before he came out. It was as if there had some operation they were planning that they were doing. Yeah. Yep, yep. And, and none of that’s a coincidence, right? None of that is just an accident. None of that is from incompetence. Right. Because in a cabinet meeting, the public portion, Tulsi Gabbard announced at the cabinet meeting that her office had obtained evidence of massive vulnerabilities on voting machines, which allowed hackers to flip votes.

Votes, her words. Right. So it’s all linked. So but the question is they’ve had this inter. They’ve had this. It’s not that complicated, you know, flipping the votes. You knew that after the. I had 500 plus mathematicians, computer scientists across the country all came together and figured all this stuff out. They were really smart, best, you know, and brightest. And all their different companies coming together. They had it all figured out and they were ignored. Ignored and tried to silence. Well, and the guy that led it, two of his family members were killed. Right, Right. So, so, so then the question is, well, why now? Why is this being allowed to come forward now? Why are they allowing Tulsi to bring this forward when it wasn’t allowed before? And I think that’s where we get into the Epstein Maxwell Intelligence Agency side of this.

And people will characterize this as conspiracy theory. It might be conspiracy, but it’s conspiracy. Reality. And in your introduction you said, I know a lot of people. Well, when you’re as old as I am and you’ve been muddling around the swamp and hip rate waiters for 37 years, there are some really, really good people in every government agencies. They’re not that many of them, but they’re there. And you know, freedom fighters tend to attract each other and you get to know these people. So here is what why I believe it was allowed that information that you and I were demonized for talking about.

About the illegal surveillance, about the election interference, about all that. It’s all because it was all linked, why I was allowed to come out now. And it’s because there was this push to bring accountability and transparency to the Epstein Maxwell Intelligence Agency Human trafficking, money laundering operation nutshell. Epstein, I believe, based on information was a front, a patsy to take a hit in case somebody needed to be take a hit. The real brains of the outfit was Ghislaine Maxwell. She wasn’t the assist doting assistant to this slob. He was a slob. It makes no sense that people, I mean, they can easily do that to the naive public, but come on, it makes no sense.

She didn’t fall far from her daddy’s tree who was a known operative of MI6, Mossad and the CIA. And she was way more connected than he was. That’s right. And she was the brains of the outfit running the operation for the intelligence agencies that were running this entrapment operation. Blackmail operation, control operation. So that they could push their evil with a capital E agenda. One of the first things I learned in D.C. is D.C. and every capital around the world is based on one entity. Leverage. That’s right. It’s all leverage. Our buddy Jimmy Boots talks about that.

That’s right. Leverage. Leverage, leverage. Leverage leads to control for everything. I say blackmail is a currency the powerful, but you could easily just say leverage, the currency of the power. Yeah, that’s right. I mean, it’s one in the same, right? Yes. So for 2016. 2020, 2024, President Trump campaigned about transparency, accountability for the human against the human trafficking situation. Good, good. I mean, you and I have been applauding that. Yeah, good, good. But now all of a sudden we’re in a 2025. And it started in May of this year when Bongino and Patel were being interviewed in a softball interview by Maria Bartiromo that all of a sudden didn’t turn.

So softball though was softball questions. And those two guys look like they were in a hostage video. They Were looking around, they were sweaty, they were kind of tentative, they were kind of, you know, and it didn’t look right. I mean, something was. And she once. And it particularly didn’t look right when she started to ask him, well, about Jeffrey Epstein. And they both were like, well, he died and he, he, he committed suicide. And, and we’re going to bring out more evidence later. And it’s, it’s close case. There’s no, no, there, there, I think, was the exact words that were used.

Well, people were outraged. Wait a minute. Well, that’s because they spent years saying they were going to go after him. That’s right. And, and I’m not saying the outrage was real and, and legit. You and I were outraged. Anybody could think was outrage. And then it kind of went quiet a little bit. And then in. On July 6, the FBI memo was released, unsigned, that essentially said Epstein had no clients, he didn’t blackmail anyone, and he definitely killed himself. Who was who? It was an unsigned. So it was just a blanket thing from the agency with nobody’s name behind it.

Correct. That was, that was our Google lawsuit, by the way. No judge signed our lawsuit. But keep going. Right? Yeah. I mean, there’s a tr. I mean. Yeah, I mean, that’s all you need to know. No signature. Right. So the next day, they decided they were going to release the video from the prison. Now, when did he die? 2019. Why did it take six years to release that video? They released the video, and it turns out that There was like 2 minutes and 53 seconds that were edited out of it, and it was. Was edited poorly.

It made him look so bad. Right. So it’s almost like a smear campaign against their credibility. It makes them look so bad. So then the next day, there’s this cabinet meeting, July 8, and Bonnie’s sitting next to Trump, and finally a reporter asked a question I was actually kind of surprised about. Well, you know, about this Epstein thing. And, you know, there’s some people are upset about some of the responses in this FBI memo that was unsigned. It came out, and Bondi just kind of blabbered on about, like, nothing. I mean, like, oh, well, the video.

And, well, there we go. We’ll have to check in about these edits. And, you know, and then Trump jumped in and said, quote, americans need to move on and forget about Epstein. Well, wait a minute. For eight years, you ran in three different campaigns that there was going to be accountability, transparency on this guy. You threw him out of Mar A Lago for hitting on your employee. Girl, little girl, girls there, young girls, what? Move on. Well, then he doubled down on July 12 and put a truth social post out on, quote, no one cares about Epstein, end quote.

Well, we all care about the kids. The hundreds or thousands of kids that were abused in just this ring, let alone all the others that are linked to it. That’s right. We care about the public understanding how these things work so that we can take more down. This isn’t the only one. That’s the important thing is people think this is the only one. It’s not. So then on July 16, he triples down. He does a true social post and says the same thing in an Oval Office press event. Quote, this Jeffrey Epstein issue is a hoax.

My past supporters have bought into this bs. My past supporters, if they continue to buy into this, are weaklings. And I don’t want their support anymore, end quote. Now this is a guy who had a track record of being able to read a room. So he didn’t read the room at the cabinet meeting on July 8th. He didn’t read the room again on July 12th. He didn’t read the Room again on July 16th. Weaklings, people that were persecuted, truly persecuted, for supporting him. People like you and me who were putting out independent information that was showing how he was targeted were weaklings.

Because we have questions about this scum Epstein and this scum Maxwell and the scum, intelligence agencies that’s been documented that are behind them. Then he. Somebody had a little talk with him and said, maybe she probably back things down. But then on August 6, he comes out, better diversion strategy, Right? And then it comes out on August 6th, he states, quote, this Epstein thing, it’s all BS, end quote. All right, so why do I bring that up? Because in between that time frame, while all this is going on, Tulsi is releasing this information. Okay. And people say and question, well, is this just a diversion that Telse is putting this out there now to divert away from Epstein? Maybe.

But how about this? You hear about the men in black suits, the men in dark suits. Vladimir Putin has actually spoken about this. About. I’ve spoken to presidents over many years time and they have some really good ideas, but then all of a sudden they change on a dime. And it’s because they’ve had visits from the men in dark suits. That might be conspiracy, but it’s conspiracy reality. Yep, the men in black suits exist. So. So in piecing this together, this is what I believe happened. I believe that he had a visit from the men in black suits.

And I think that he was told President Trump to shove Epstein under the rug. And the reason is because when all the information was brought forward from all these files, because remember Bondi was saying, well, first of all it was on her desk, remember that whole thing. And then it, then it wasn’t on her desk and now they don’t exist. Remember that whole thing? And the media wanted to blame. It’ll pin all this crap on her. They for a while and then they realized that’s not going to work. But yeah, yeah, so, so I think he had a visit and in this visit I believe he was shown information that if you don’t shut this down, here are a number of your high net worth donors that were involved in this.

Here are some of your friends that were involved in this and maybe even some members of his family. I mean, let’s face it, Trump was friendly with Epstein for 10 years. So you know, he doesn’t necessarily have to go to the island or he didn’t have to actually have done anything. But if they’re pictures of him and Epstein and young girls, even though, let’s say nothing happened, you could spin it to make it look like something happened. Oh, yeah, it’s still, it’s still blackmail. I mean they, I think they have blackmail of some sort. Yeah. So I think part of this was, look, here’s what we got on all these people, you know, and you know, some people close to you and maybe even you.

And if you don’t shove this under the rug, this is going to come out. Number two, I think they told them this is so ingrained in all three levels of government and throughout industry in the United States. If you keep pushing on this button about accountability and transparency on Epstein and Maxwell and the intelligence agencies, it’s going to bring down the government, it’s going to bring down the economy. And you know what that’s like because that happened during COVID right, Don? You don’t want that on your legacy, do you, Don? Because it’s going to implode everything.

It’s going to bring it all down. You don’t want that, do you? Well, don’t you think? But I think they also said that, you know, Don Butler Penns was a near miss and maybe next time, Don. Well, you know, Don, if you don’t keep shoving this under the rug, there’s going to be more Butlers and this time it might not just be you, it might be other members of your family or maybe all you together. Remember that whole Czar thing, what happened to them that was bad. They just lined up to have a picture taken and look what happened to all of them.

Man, that was bad. Well, I think they might have done something like this to Cash Patel and to Bongino because they were scared. There’s something more there, too. That’s right. So I think when you add those three things up, if you don’t shut this down, friends, donors, maybe family to a degree, him, the system coming down, the economy coming down, and more Butler pas in the future if you don’t push this under the rug. Here’s what I think he did. I think he cut a deal. I think he cut a deal. I think he did this.

I’ll try to shove this under the rug, even though it makes me look really bad. I’ll try, operative word, try. I’ll try to shove it under the rug and I’ll try to get everybody to back down. Okay? But you’re going to give me something for that. And here’s what you’re going to give me. There are documents that have been blocked from coming out and information from coming out that shows that I was spied upon, that shows that Hillary Clinton’s emails were, in fact, treasonous, that in fact the 2020 election was thrown against me, that there was a Russia collusion hoax that was fake, that was meant at the, at the hands of Obama and Brennan and, and, and Clinton and Clapper and Mueller and Comey and Rice to, to drive me out of the presidency.

And you’re going to give me every one of those scumbag scalps, you’re going to do all this and you’re going to show how that election was thrown. You’re going to allow that information to finally come out. And that’s the deal. That information is finally going to be allowed to see the light of day. Well, let me ask you, because I, and that’s the deal I believe was cut because Trump is a smart guy. He’s not stupid. He can read a room, he can read an audience. And for him to be calling all of us weaklings and this is all BS and you’re my former supporters.

No, no, he wouldn’t do that. He, he, he also has been somehow compromising the vaccine because he’ll be. Boo. He was booed on stage on numerous occasions on that. He kept doubling down on it. So he still hasn’t, and he still has not backed down on the problems with the jab and operation warp speed. So he, he knows, I think, that there’s more of an operation going on, too, when you start Talking about Palantir. I don’t think Palantir is the only thing. I think that’s. That’s. That’s part of. I think people have to be careful, because when people pin it all on this one company, they’ve been spending ninety to a hundred billion dollars a year for decades on building this surveillance system.

We just talked about one the hammer. I had Bill Binney on just a few weeks ago. And, you know, talking about this and how I really think it’s an operation to take what they’ve already been doing internally and moving it to business so that they can legalize it. It’s government by proxy, surveillance by proxy, and then they’re going to legalize it. So I think part of this operation is probably a. Two agendas happening at the same time. I might be wrong, but you get the. The Trump. You know, all this Russia collusion comes out, all the election stuff comes out, which really should come out to help save our country, too.

I mean, yes, big deal. That’s really important. It’s enormous. Yeah. And I think. And that’s why Trump is willing to do this first part, because he feels. I think he feels it’s the only way he can get this other stuff out, because ultimately this other stuff will save the country. And again, remember I said, he said he would try to shove Epstein and Maxwell under the rug. I think he knows it’s an elephant. You can’t shove it under the rug. So he can look at him and go, I tried. Well, but the other thing is, if you fix that.

And then there’s the Epstein thing, is, as Jimmy Boots said, I was at his house the day Epstein died. Right. I’m the one that told him. I heard it on the radio as I was pulling in his driveway. And first thing he said to me is, sarah, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. So there is something to be said of saying, let’s move on, and this we have to fix, and then we got to take down. I’m not having Trump, Hopium. I’m just saying that there are many other networks out there and that we really need to take down these blackmail networks.

And Epstein has been taken down. Do you know what I mean? So we need to focus on other ones, but it’s better to expose it because then you know how it works. And we save the kids. But in some ways, if they can expose other ones and get the deal of doing this at the same time, then we could possibly do it. I don’t want to be Hopium. I also think part of this is normalizing. This is the other side of it. Normalizing surveillance and this on the people getting people used to it and then shifting it to business.

And now we have the businesses doing it legally, just like Google. Everybody’s starting to get used to Google surveilling and doing copy. All the mainstream media or the mainstream big tech companies tracking everything that we’re doing and people are just having to get used to it. That’s tracking and surveillance by proxy. Well, and, and this is the other reason why we won’t get into the crypto thing. But, but you know, this, this. What, what? It’s the same concept. It is the same thing. Look, quick break from the program to share with you something amazing. This is called sloop.

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I applaud them. They’re far, far ahead, farther ahead than 99% of people in the world as far as their knowledge base about what’s really happening in the monetary system. But you know, the three selling points on crypto. Well, you know, they’re, they’re decentralized. Wait a minute. Who, who’s, who’s, who’s wrapping their arms around, around cryptos and hugging them and be. And it’s government, right? That. Wait a minute. You’re talking about strategic funds on great. That the government runs. Wait a minute. Wall Street’s involved in these things. Even Jamie Dimon, now that benevolent. I use that term loosely, person is, is.

Oh, yeah, we want you to use our credit card. That’ll be. You know, you can create, you can get into creepy cryptos much easier. Be careful. The issue of, well, they’re encrypted and they can’t be broken. There’s something called quantum computing. And then this issue of, as you say, about surveillance state. Well, you know, your, your, your identity is protected and, and, and your, your cryptos are protected. Well, wait a minute. I just saw Scott Besant, the Secretary of treasury, on TV this morning saying we’re not going to buy any more cryptocurrencies for the government. We’re just going to confiscate them.

Oh, okay, that’s wonderful. That’s how we’re going to. He said this is how we’re going to build our strategic fund. We’re going to. We already have, we already have a lot of cryptos we’ve confiscated. Well, wait a minute. If they’re encrypted and they’re so safe and secure and they’re so decentralized and there’s so much anonymity to it. How, how is the government have tens of billions of dollars worth? There’s no way. Right. They had, they had. With every bank, they had access, legal access to get every transaction. They wanted. Everything, almost everything is digital now anyways.

Now they’re just replacing it with this because it’s a little easy. It’s a better written digital system. We were already digital. And cryptos have now been tied to the kyc. Know your customer. That’s. Yes. Right. Technology. So that every time a transaction occurs with those, your identity is tied to it and all you have to do is have the digital id. It just has to be one data point. It doesn’t have to be like, it’s not like they’re storing everything. That’s what people need to Understand, you don’t need all the data. All you need is one little id and that gives them access to everything on every system because that one transaction, every wallet that touches is now identified.

Yeah. So where we stand with this is that we have. And it goes back to that first quote, right? Whether it’s Epstein or Maxwell or the election fraud or the illegal surveillance, power tracks pathological personalities, it’s not the power corrupts, but that it’s magnetic to the corruptible. And unfortunately for President Trump, what I experienced in his first administration, when early in that administration we were trying to move people away from Obamacare, there were people around him who undermined that effort. Okay? The very people tightest to him, every one of his chiefs of staff in his first administration were working, I believe, for the globalists and were blocking information from getting to him and taking information that did get to him and try to undermine it so that he didn’t do make certain steps.

And this is what ultimately I believe why he really, he could have done other things to contest the 2020 election, but never did because of what he was being told. And the same is true now. Now I believe one of the two single biggest impediments in the second Trump administration are the two people who were in charge of his transition, one of whom is now his chief of staff, Susie Wilds, and the other one is Howard Lutnick from Wall street, from Cantor Fitzgerald, who’s his Secretary of Commerce, Emeril Robinson, former Newsmax White House chief correspondent who was fired because of the hard questions she was asking the then Trump administration about COVID and then the Biden administration about the jab.

Here’s what she recently wrote. President Trump is making the same mistakes in the second administration than he made in the first. He turned his first administration over to his, she said liberal, really globalist son in law to run the show. And I believe that is the case based on experience that the Trump won administration was undermined by Jared and Ivanka Trump. Now they’re not there. Now Emerald Robinson goes on. He’s now turned his second administration over to his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, to run the show. Same mistake. This is not good. She says, I believe she’s right.

Now, the problem is many people who are in the America first movement get mad at people like Emerald Robinson when they say, look, here’s a problem, or me or you. When we say here’s a problem, we’re actually being the best friends of the administration by saying there’s a problem here. Yes, because ignoring the problem Destruction, Yes. So one of the big problems I see in our movement is there are a lot of people and what spurred a lot of the disengagement recently was President Trump and how he’s handled this Epstein issue. Sarah a friend of mine who lives in Pennsylvania was at the store and he was coming out and there was a guy scraping a Trump Vance bumper sticker off his car.

And he asked him, why are you doing that? He goes, I didn’t vote for this. I didn’t vote for this. And I last week was at the grocery store, and I’m coming out and there’s a guy next to me and on his back window, not his bumper, on his back window, he had one of those, like a plastic Trump thing sign on there, and he’s scraping it off. I said, what are you doing? He goes, you know, I never voted Republican in my life until this last election, and what I voted for, I’m not, I’m not really getting now.

He goes, yeah, there’s some really good things happening on, on the border and on crime and, and the like. But I go, so what’s not right? And he goes, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I don’t like what’s being covered up. And I said, what’s being covered up? He goes, well, I don’t know. He goes, are you familiar with this Epstein guy? I said, yeah, I’ve heard of him. He said, yeah, heard of them. He goes, you know, that, that’s really not. He goes, that’s about kids. That’s about the abuse of children. And for too long that was all covered up.

And at least I thought we were going to get like, some legitimate information one way or the other about this, but he goes, it’s being covered up. And you know what? He goes, and I don’t know if you heard this, but he said that all of us who support. He goes, you know, I got some grief for supporting him because I work, I won’t say the company, but an automotive company on the line, and my union stewards were giving me grief because I would wear my red hat to work. And he goes, you know, he called me a weakling the other day because I think this issue is important.

He goes, I’m not a weakling. He goes, I, I got in a lot of trouble for wearing my red hat in September and October and November and, and wearing my red hat until last couple weeks. I don’t think that guy’s alone. I don’t think I would expand it to Gaza and to the, the problems with the people who’ve gotten the shot, who are suffering and the family members who are ill. I think that there’s lines that don’t cross that are being crossed in our government. And it’s not Democrat, Republican. It’s just whether you’re compassionate or actually the crimes against children, crimes against humanity, people who are sick and not being taken care of, people who are starving and not being fed, these kinds of things are getting to the core of people’s spirit and it’s affecting a lot of people.

It is, you know, he, he, he campaigned on peace, said he was going to get Russia, Ukraine turned around in 24 hours after taking the oath of office. Well, that was obviously an overstatement. But, but, you know, he is going to Alaska in the next day or two, and we’ll see what happens there. But, you know, he’s also talking about shipping offensive weapons, escalating offensive weapons to Ukraine. He talked about peace in the Middle East. Yet, as you said, he’s made a couple statements about Gaza, but is supporting it is, is supporting the ongoing problem there.

He, he said that he wouldn’t support. And he’s made statements for years about the worst thing is to get involved militarily in the Middle east, yet he bombed Iran. So my question is, does he not? Well, it’s a great question. And I don’t know. I think he, you know my point, because I think he would do it if he could, unless he lied. I don’t, there’s some power issue here. I’m not trying to let him off the hook. But what, what I believe happened in the first administration, going back to what Admiral Robinson said is happening now, I think his chief of staff, just as in the first, they block people, certain people, from getting into him.

They block information from getting into him, and they provide him information on a number of fronts that is not accurate or bogus. And in the process, it leads to, you know, garbage in, garbage out. You get garbage information in, you’re going to make a bad decision. And I, I think it, it is, that is a problem. I think when he becomes aware of it, he takes steps like Mike Walls, who was working reportedly with another foreign government, you know, his, his national security advisor. And then when President Trump finally realized that, he got rid of him.

But why was Mike Walls there? Because of Susie Wiles. But, you know, they, he needs to bring in independent voices that are going to tell him what he needs to hear, not what he wants to hear. And until you’re, and you have to allow that kind of Room to occur and. And bring in those voices and let them tell you. Don’t shut them down. Every good bit. You know the Undercover Boss, where they go and they dress up in disguise and they. Well, he did that. He did that as Trump. Trump. When he was a business guy.

He did it. He did. Oh, it was a great episode. You should watch it. I didn’t know he did it. I gotta watch it. Beds with maids and he’s doing stuff. Is he really? That’s awesome. It was a. He gets it. That he needs the people who are just gonna lay it on. Even if he hates what they’re telling him, he needs to. I know he knows this. He knows it. Well, this is the way around it. And I know this for a fact. And it works. You can try to drive information into him and it’s going to get blocked.

I can tell you this in the West Wing. Susie Wiles has a vice grip on him. Okay. But here. Here is the opening for every one of our listeners. If you’re concerned about whatever it is, Epstein or Gaza or. Or. Or you name it, you call the White House switchboard board. He has a path to the White House switchboard. How many calls we get? I want how many calls we get. What are they about? What are they saying? Because it’s all documented what we’re getting this many calls about. Really what they. This is what they’re saying.

Oh, it’s the single most effective way to get around the walls that are around him. So people say, I don’t really have any power to have my voice heard. And I. And I don’t think that’s true. Now, Biden, he would never be able to find it his way there to the switchboard. And they actually tried to, at the beginning of his administration, shut down the switchboard so you couldn’t leave messages or actually talk to a human. When you call, call the White House. And you should be calling your congressman and senator saying, I’m wise to all this stuff.

And you know what? No, we’re not putting up with this. You’re going to move on this. And if you’re not going to move on this, guess what? We’re going to find somebody to run against you in the primary or maybe we’ll recall you. But we’re all wise to it. Oh, there’s 50 people in my block where I live, and we’re all wise to this. You call the White House, you call your congressman, you call your senator, call your governor, call your state rep and say. And just tell them I’M wise to what’s going on and this is what I don’t like.

And you need to move off a dead center. But in particular with the White House, it is extremely effective. And the reason is, is because he did this in the first administration, he beat a path to the switchboard all the time. That’s good information. So people need to do that. And if you really that that’s great information because nobody feels helpless. But this is something that people. Because people become disengaged. Sarah and you and I’ve seen this because they don’t think there’s anything they can do. Well, people really tried hard over the last few years here to make a difference and now they’re really disillusioned.

Yes. I think, you know, if there’s something that people can do, this is great. And you can’t be dis. I mean you got to keep working at. We’re not going to just be done right. We have to keep working at it. But that’s why local is the best. At least protect your local areas. I mean you have to protect your local areas. But you also have to stop being naive. We got to stop being naive and we got to protect our local areas. But you another thing they can do is listen to your shows so they can get, you know, subscribe to your podcast.

Like I said, you’re. You have more connections than pretty much anybody in media and it’s really impressive. The shows that you’re doing, how can they reach you and follow you and subscribe? So first of all they can listen to the radio show live free. Every Sunday they just go to davejana.com j a n d 8 like panda with a J hit Listen live and you can listen now. I do another four to five video format shows a week and those we house@davejanda.com and a number of those shows are shows I cannot speak about the information on a radio show and because Wham is fantastic.

There’s no censorship. But the fcc, there’s still deep state choke points in the FCC and they would shut down Wham. So I can only go so far there and I can only go so far on the limited videos I put out on YouTube and rumble. Operation Freedom is the channel on YouTube and rumble. But. And I try to push the envelope there but, but the true content and I do my WTF show and our insider insight show and the like on davejano.com that the subscriber side is. And we also have an email alert service that’s part of it.

It’s 30 cents a day, it’s nine bucks a month. So it’s half the cost of a Biden Economics pizza, large pizza. And the people who have signed up, who are subscribers and as you know, Sarah, and maybe our listen audience does or not, it’s very expensive to run a platform, do it the right way, that’s secure and that is up to date with everything. And you know, when you’re paying for server time and host time and this and that time it time and, and I don’t get paid anything to do the radio show. I’ve done it for 15 years.

I actually have to pay the station for my airtime and engineer time. So all that is a cost. And so nine bucks is what we do to break even. And to me it’s a. And to the subscribers who continually tell me, Dave, this is an infinitesimal charge compared to what we get because it puts us months and in many cases years ahead of the curve. And it’s protected my family and in particular with the whole Covid issue. You were far ahead on that. We were far ahead on that. And we’re targeted for that. And you know, speaking of that, I just did a.

A piece on a drug that the FDA is now investigating called It’s a seven. Oh. And this is now a. An additive in a number of different entities that are being sold in convenience stores, gas stations, party stores, vape stores. And this is a huge problem and is. Can lead to. It’s a derivative of a synthetic narcotic. So again, that’s the kind of information that we put people ahead of the curve to try to help them and protect them. And I, over this course of all these years, I’ve, I’ve had the opportunity to meet a lot of people and I, I’m just grateful that one of those people has been you, Sarah.

Thank you, Dave. I really appreciate that. You know, you’re one of the people, people I call to most when I’m like, give me your insight on this. Because this is pretty difficult. We hear a lot behind and vice versa. Yeah, and. And we hear a lot behind the scenes that I mean, frankly, is kind of overwhelming. And so we have to put it into make context and try to make sense of it so that people can get something beneficial out of it. And not as a gatekeeper, but as making sense of it even. Yeah, and that’s the key, you know, there with your platform and my platform, my goal is so that none of my subscribers have to go to the bottle, flame stream fake media that, that I do that for them to see what the opposition is pushing on the propaganda side.

But there’s no reason for them to read the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Washington Post, any print media piece with the exception of the New American magazine. And there’s no reason for them to tune into a syndicated radio show that has ties to the syndicate. Right. Because you don’t get on syndicated radio without having some kind of tie. Fact. And you don’t get on TV at least in the last 20 years without having some kind of tie. Which is unfortunate. It’s really unfortunate because that’s our First Amendment for a reason. Our founders knew that as soon as the the information is controlled to this degree, we’ll lose our country.

And the first thing that a tyrant does is it takes over the media. It’s that important. Just a quick break from the program. I need to share with you an urgent manner about scam gold IRAs and the important need to make sure that you’re working with a trusted company in the precious metals space. I have had hundreds of people come to me now where they have lost 50, 60, 70% of their life savings in these scam gold IRAs. We are having nearly 100% success rate getting their money back. If you have put your life savings into a gold ira, I implore you to look and see if you have been scammed.

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I was on every major network news show about the research. I was involved with the prevention and healthcare cost containment healthcare policy on all the networks. Oprah had me on as a special guest and featured a book I had written on the whole side of injury prevention. But that was all prior to a particular date. And on that date everything changed. All because the Mockingbird media again related to the CIA’s Operation Mockingbird. There were still some honest, legit people in the media up until a certain point and they would always find a way to get somebody who was honest and telling the truth in front of the public, whether it was cbs, NBC, abc, pbs, even cnn.

But there was a particular point in time when that all changed. And all those people I had known for all those years in the media, when I would then present them information that was truthful and honest and data driven and fact driven, and I would get it to them, they would come back to me and say, dave, we’ve researched this, you’re absolutely correct, but we can no longer talk about this kind of stuff. And, and what was that date? What happened? September 11, 2001. It’ll all change. The Patriot. The last network media show I was on was Fox and Friends on Labor Day weekend, six days or, excuse me, eight days before September 11, 2001.

That’s really, really sad. But it is the reality that we’re living in major media show I did was I mentioned Oprah, featured the book I had written, and she had me as a co host with her. Wow. And this show, the last show she taped in the summer of 2001, the last show before September 11, 2001, did it air? Because it was. You want to know why it aired? I’ll tell you why it aired. I’m not saying she knew something was going to happen, but I’ll tell you something. They called me on a Friday and they said they had read my book and it was phenomenal.

And it was about empowerment of people, not insurance companies or government or the pharmaceutical industry. And they said, we need you here to do a show with Oprah on Tuesday, the following Tuesday, because it’s the last day she’s going to tape because she’s off the rest of the summer until later in fall. And they said, listen, Oprah wants to make this a live show. She only does one or two live shows at most a year. But she wants this to be live. In retrospect, the reason is because what we discussed in that show about individual empowerment, she didn’t want to sit in the can.

She aired it live on that day because she knew if it was in the can, and it got out that I was the guest co host with her that would never see the light of day. And let me tell you the best thing real quick about doing Oprah. That’s actually, you know what? That’s a, that’s actually, I’m not. She doesn’t get much good press, but that’s something positive about her. Remember, that was 2001. I think she’s a drastically different person today than she was then. Well, maybe blackmail has a way of doing that to you and getting your head.

Getting yourself deep into your own situation. My interactions with her, again, this is in June of 2001. June. June 1, 2001. That’s when it taped. She was a very straightforward. She was very honest. Prior to us walking out on the stage, it was her and me. I was sitting. She was in her chair, and I was in the chair right next to her. She said to me she wanted to meet with me beforehand. She walked in and she said, nice to meet you. I said, nice to meet you. Thanks for doing this. A lot of people don’t want to talk about this old prevention stuff.

Goes up. We’re gonna do it. She goes, do you know why you’re here? I said, yeah, you like my book? You like the information in the book about empowering people, about getting it done, you know, helping people? She said, you’re right. She goes, the other reason why you’re here is you don’t give a damn about money, and you’ve gotten a lot of heat to not say what you said about taking on this whole medical complex. She goes, you’re doing this because you want to help people. That’s why you’re here. And we walked out and we did that show.

She was very nice to me. She was very nice to me afterwards. And after we were done, the producer came up to me and she said, you know, that was a phenomenal show. And she goes, I’ve worked with Oprah for years. She really likes you, and you’re going to be a regular. And I looked at that producer and I said to her, that’s very nice of you to say that, but she’ll never have me on again. How did you know? And she said what? She goes, no, no. She goes, I know Oprah. She. She. I know what she thought ahead of time, but I saw her interact with.

No. She goes, you guys were great together. And she goes, you’re much better with her than Dr. Phil. She goes, she. She’s going to have you back as a regular. I’m telling you. I go, no, she won’t. And she said, why do you say that? Don’t you want to come back? I said, no, I’m happy to come back because it’s a huge. Yeah, great. Yeah. And. And she said. I said, the reason why she’s not going to have me back is because when the power structure finds out I was on her show live, the very people that put her where she’s at are going to tell her I’m never going to be back here again because of what we talked about today.

We didn’t empower insurance companies, we didn’t empower the ama. We didn’t empower big pharmaceutical companies. We empowered people. Yeah, yeah. And she looked at me, she goes, Dr. Janda, you are so wrong about this. I go, I hope to be wrong. That was the last show she taped before the summer break. She was supposed to start doing shows again the end of August, and she didn’t, didn’t start taping. And then September 11th hit and she started doing some taping after that. But that was the last show she did before September 11, 2001, in must have been end of October, beginning in November that same year.

There were some things I had left, some prop kind of things looking at the prevention side that I had left with her team. And one day I. I got to the office and my assistant handed me this big package from Oprah. And in the package she signed a copy of my book. And in the package also was the props I had left with her team. And the producer had a Note in there. Dr. Janda, you were right. Now, the best part about doing her show, we talked about the. One of the reasons, top reason children die in sports, getting hit in the chest with a baseball, lacrosse ball, hockey puck.

And it. No one knew how that happened, why they would die, because all these kids would have CPR administered right away and they would still die. And we were working through General Motors research labs at the time, and we actually found out that if the impact occurred at a precise phase of the heart cycle, it short circuited the heart heartbeat wildly. So wildly in this arrhythmia pattern that it couldn’t pump blood effectively to the other vital organs. And that’s how these kids died. It wasn’t that many. It was maybe, but still one. One is too many.

But 12 to 15 kids a year, but they were just playing baseball or. Yeah, yeah, dying. I mean, my God. Terrible. So we figured out how this was occurring, and then we looked at products that were on the market, like softer baseballs and chest protectors to prevent this, that were stated would prevent this from happening. And we use these sophisticated crash models at General Motors Research Labs. And we actually found out that those products didn’t work. No, they did not. No. In fact, they in some cases made it worse because it trapped the energy into the heart over a longer time period, enabling that right phase of the heart cycle to be to kick in for the deleterious arrhythmia to start.

But what we did find, if they used lighter weight balls and it impacted the chest that it would never jump into an arrhythmia. And we, and we talked about that and we talked about if this happens in your community. What we found was the single most effective way if this happens is either hit the child’s chest with your fist, CPR won’t work. Hit their chest with the, with the fist, or better yet, get a defibrillator. And at the time there were not defibrillators in public places. The fire department had them, some police departments had them, but that was it.

Get a defibrillator and shock that child’s chest and you got 10 minutes to do it. If you do it in the first 10 minutes, they will survive. And we did. We found this through our laboratory studies. So we talked about this on Oprah show about that show aired June 1, 2001. About a month after that show aired, a 13 year old boy in the suburbs of Chicago got hit in the chest with a baseball. Went down. Two heart doctors were in the crowd, went to the boy who was unconscious, started giving him cpr. Kid was turning blue, was not looking good at all.

A mom on, the mom on the, on the field, not his mom. Another mom got on the phone because she knew the police officers had defibrillators in their community. Called nine one, one police officer shows up, shocks the boy’s chest and the kid lived. There was somebody in the crowd there whose, who worked with, I think it might have been the Chicago Tribune at the time and said to those two trained heart doctors, did you know that a defibrillator would work for this? And they were like, no, we were doing CPR and it wasn’t working. And until that officer showed up and we attached the defibrillator and gave a shot and came back.

And then the reporter went to the moment and said to her, how did you know this would work? And her answer was, I saw it on tv, I saw it on Oprah. And since that point I have gotten a number of letters of a similar situation happening. And because it was seen on Oprah and because of that show and us talking about defibrillators, we talked about that it should go beyond sports fields, that it should be in every public building, it should be in airports, it should be in every public place to save lives. Prior to that, in airports, prior to that Oprah show, it was rare you would find a defibrillator in a public building or an airport.

And about a year after that show aired, the government aired some statistics about after they had put defibrillators in airports that the fatalities, not somebody getting hit in the chest with a suitcase or something, people running to catch a plane, that from other causes, that huge number of lives were saved. So the, the new Oprah I, I can’t identify with, but I can identify with the old Oprah because if it was not for her taking that flyer on, having this goofball doc come on and talk about prevention and about the research that they were doing and had done, there would be many, many dozens of children that would have died on fields.

And there are hundreds of people that would have died, thousands of people that would have died in office buildings and in airports if it were not for the use of a defibrillator. Defibrillators were not used until Oprah’s talked about it on that show. And just full circle, my daughter, who was a very competitive college athlete in track and field and cross country, we were at a track meet and, and my daughter and one of her friends had gone out for a cooldown run. And while they were out, somebody comes running in, grabs a defibrillator that was in the field house.

And that field house had him specifically because they knew what had happened years before on Oprah. And they, and there was somebody in the parking lot that had a heart attack, not didn’t get hit in the chest with anything but a heart attack. And they had that defibrillator there because of what we discussed on Oprah show, because I had been told that prior, somebody runs in, grabs the fiber. I’m like, what’s going on? And by the time I got there, they had already shocked the guy and he come and my daughter had been in the audience in that show in Chicago.

And it was interesting, after the show, Oprah said to me, your family’s here, correct? And I go, yeah, they’re right over there. My two daughters and my wife, my mom and dad, she goes, I’d like to meet them. And she was very kind to them. And my daughter, who now has become a physician, the runner, while she was still in college, came back in and she looked at me, she goes, dad, that guy out there would be dead if it was not for you and Oprah talking about this. So she gets a lot of grief. And in many of the things she does now, she should.

You know, we heard about in Hawaii, she didn’t want to open a road for a period of time for people to evacuate when the potential tsunami. That’s garbage. That’s, that’s a different person. But the person I met and I dealt with was very different, but that was a very long time ago. And people can change and they can change back and they can chase back to change back, but it goes to show you that everything you do can have a benefit, not just in the short term, but the long term. And frankly, I think that’s probably, Sarah, why you keep doing what you do and why I keep doing what I do.

Because just as there was that mom, that one mom who heard that show and saved a kid’s life, there are people that are going to hear our discussion today and have seen one of your shows on something else that will take that information. It could well save somebody’s life. And you know what? That’s why all the crap they can dish out to us and all the threats and all the censorship and all the trying to stifle us, getting any kind of monetization, they can do all that. But that’s why you and I keep going on. That’s right.

That’s right. What a wonderful story. Davejanda.com they need to follow you. Thank you so much for everything you do and everything as you say and everything you will do. I thank you, sir. Sa.
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