The New Initiative Reshaping Global Power | Patrick Wood Courtenay Turner

➡ The article discusses the global expansion of Silicon Valley’s influence, particularly through the use of advanced technology like AI. It highlights the PAX Silica agreement, which aims to distribute AI technology worldwide, potentially leading to a new form of global governance. The article also emphasizes the importance of understanding these changes and suggests that they could be used to enhance freedom worldwide. Lastly, it advises investing in physical assets like silver due to its increasing demand in the tech industry.
➡ A global initiative involving many countries is underway, focusing on technology and trade. Key players include the United States, Japan, South Korea, the Netherlands, Australia, Israel, and the United Arab Emirates, each contributing their unique strengths in areas like AI, manufacturing, and resources. Other countries like India, the UK, Germany, Argentina, Chile, Kazakhstan, Finland, Sweden, the Philippines, Costa Rica, Panama, El Salvador, Greece, Qatar, Norway, the European Union, and France also play roles in technology development, supply chains, and regulatory alignment. This initiative is seen as a new economic boom, with a focus on AI and control over its use, potentially reshaping global trade routes and power structures.
➡ The world is changing rapidly, and many people, including our legislators, are struggling to keep up with these changes. This is particularly true when it comes to understanding new technologies and their implications. There’s a need for a digital bill of rights to protect citizens from potential abuses of technology. However, the complexity of these issues and the lack of understanding among lawmakers make it difficult to implement such protections.
➡ The text discusses concerns about the use of AI for surveillance and the potential dangers it poses. It highlights the need for both lawmakers and citizens to understand these issues and push back against them. The text also mentions the ongoing protests against data centers and surveillance, and the need for more open-source solutions. Despite the potential for AI and technology to be used positively, the text warns of the risks if these tools are used irresponsibly or for control.
➡ The text discusses the potential benefits and dangers of technology, with some people believing they’re using it for good, even if the results can be harmful. It also touches on the idea of tyranny often being backed by well-intentioned solutions, and the importance of educating people about these issues. The speaker mentions a lawsuit against the federal government and Google, emphasizing the need for transparency and public awareness of what these entities are capable of. Lastly, the text highlights ongoing issues with censorship and shadow banning on social media platforms.
➡ The text discusses the importance of individual empowerment and action in the face of complex societal issues. It emphasizes that everyone has unique skills and resources to contribute, and encourages people to get involved in their local communities. The text also highlights the growing resistance against big tech and AI, particularly among younger generations, who are concerned about the potential negative impacts on their future. Lastly, it mentions a product called Sloop, which is said to mimic the effects of exercise and is popular among athletes and bodybuilders.
➡ The text discusses the concerns of the younger generation about the increasing use of technology, particularly AI, in their lives and workplaces. They fear being controlled by it and the potential for societal exclusion. The text suggests the need for a digital bill of rights to protect individuals from potential incursions. It also highlights the ongoing debate in Silicon Valley about the ethical implications of AI, with some believing they are pro-human while others fear AI could eventually control everything.
➡ The discussion revolves around the creation of a global constitution for 2027, focusing on governing AI. The speakers express concerns about the potential misuse of this power to control people, despite some organizations possibly intending to do good. They emphasize the importance of education and local action in creating change, and mention the fear among tech oligarchs, evidenced by their investment in personal bunkers. The conversation ends with the promotion of their books and newsletters, which further explore these topics.

And these are the people who are exporting the empire from Silicon Valley to the whole world. Yes, they are. This is never, this has never happened before in the history of the world. It’s a new phenomena, isn’t it? It is. It’s just, it’s different. It’s. It puts us into a different paradigm. And the people, the average people aren’t even capable really of having these conversations. I don’t mean to be disrespectful to people, but it really feels like the, the level of community communication that we need to be having to actually govern ourselves is not even close to where it is.

Thank you for listening, thank you for sharing. And please subscribe below and think about joining my substack@Sarah Westall.substack.com or my newsletter. You can sign up for that as well@Sarah Westall.com and remember to give a thumbs up and to subscribe on the platform that you’re watching. Welcome to Business Game Changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have Courtney Turner and Patrick Wood coming to the program. Both are coming back to the program. We are going to talk about not just Technocracy, which is really the backdrop of this, but I want to talk about pacsilica, what that agreement is and what is meant by that.

What’s going on with the Flock cameras, what’s going on with AI surveillance, what’s going on with the data centers. We talk about all of that today, but we’re talking about more. We’re going to talk about philosophically what’s happening with the whole world and where it’s running and how the PAX Silica agreement really is an amazing thing that’s happening and how it’s structured to really take down the brics. It’s really neutral, it’s really neutered. That and how it’s a structure to create a global governance and how they’re doing it with this technology infrastructure. And it’s a different way of thinking and it’s a different way of looking at how the world is structured and most people aren’t mentally prepared for it.

It’s a new thing in society and it’s different, it’s unique. And people should really start getting their head wrapped around what this new governance structure is and what this could mean and how can we possibly use it, but use it in a way to enhance freedom worldwide? Because I’m not convinced that everybody involved are bad guys. I really do think, and we talk about that a lot in this interview, that a lot of people involved with Everything that we see really believe these are solutions to help the world. And so how can we use that intention and work it and mold it all of us to something that’s pro human.

And hopefully they listen. Hopefully people who are in positions of power and listen. Of course there’s bad guys and we’re going to talk about that too where they don’t really care about anybody else but themselves. But you know, I guess that’s all through human history. You’ve had that. And we talk about is it hopeless? And it’s not hopeless but it’s important first that you understand what it is that you’re dealing with in the first place. But they both have books out. They worked on a book together. I will have links to their amazing work. Patrick Wood has a newsletter he puts out that you can get every day.

I guess Technocracy News. It’s every day he gets his newsletter. Courtney Turner has her substack. She puts out these big investigative reports that are like over 100 pages long. I mean if you like to read and you like to dive into things. She really does a good job of putting out these reports. And you can learn a lot about what’s happening in the technology world. It really is how the world is structured and changed. I mean the largest companies in the world are all big tech, I mean or supportive of big tech. Nvidia chip company. It’s all big tech oriented.

So it’s imperative that we all start understanding how the global world is structured and how it’s affecting us. So I’ll have links below to all that. But before we get into I remind you in this world that how much is changing, be sure to have physical assets. I like silver. Why? Because as this whole world’s moving to a technology based thing, silver is their best resource. Now I do think that’s why it’s being suppressed so much, is because they need it for high tech and so they’re going to keep it suppressed. It can’t stay that low forever.

They because the demand is so high. So that’s going to force it to reprice based on the needs of technology and industry and military and everything else. Right now none of that industrial use is priced into its, its price. I personally I think it’s more valuable than gold. Honest with how much it’s being used everywhere. The fact that it’s the most effective metal on the planet for conductivity. It used to corrode and so they couldn’t use it all the time if it was some kind of piece of equipment that had to last for a long leng time.

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Thanks for having us. Yeah, well, you guys have been working together on multiple, I think multiple projects here trying to get the information out on technocracy and other issues. I saw a show that you did on pac silica and like this is really excellent. I’ve watched, I watched a couple of your, you know, your round tables and I said this is really excellent information. Pacsilica, from what I understand was just formed last year 2025. And the official public information on what it is is it’s a strategic alliance to make sure that AI, all the aspects of AI is control isn’t the word they say protected so that they can have, you know, compete in the AI race.

That’s what I read. What really is Paxilica and what is your research shown? Wow. Well, in my opinion When I first saw it, the first thing that hit my mind was that the AI stack was jumping the shark. And all of a sudden there’s a push to build empire around the world using this AI stack, as they call it. Not just the software itself, but the whole hardware layer, the chip layer, the software layer, the operating system layer, the application layer. And the idea was to take all this bundle and give it to nations who agreed with our licensing agreements.

It’s like putting everybody in the world who would accept it under the user agreement where if you violate our unspoken rules, whatever they are, you’ll be bump for violating community standards. Sort of, that sort of thing. And it is so. It was so vague in the first place, but that, that’s the only way you can read it. They’re. They’re giving this whole AI stack to all these other companies, especially in the Mideast. That’s really disturbing. But the, the idea is to populate them with the Rails that we have created in the first place so that they have to play ball with us no matter what comes with AI.

That probably will include all of the financial Rails as well. That’s a lot. When you said countries in the Middle east, are you talking Israel or broader than Israel? Oh, much, much broader. This is not about Israel at all. This is. Well, but that’s where people’s minds are going to go. You know when you said that. So you’re, when you say Middle east, you know what I mean? So when you say Middle east, what would you say are the countries that are involved? Courtney? I would say there’s. Let’s see, we’ve got uae, United. United Arab Emirates are involved.

Qatar. Qatar is involved. Let me see, I’m looking. I have the list in front of me. Yeah, those would be the main, I think is a. Are Saudi Arabia in it? I don’t see that on the list, but I think, I think Saudi Arabia, I think they are. Bahrain is close. Jordan I would think. Yeah, pretty much the allies that we’re seeing in the Iran war or the people who Iran is bombing and stuff. I mean I’m guessing that would be. So this is the, the list as of now. So the core pillar and strategic roles are obviously the United States and with.

We’re exporting. This is a US led initiative. Then we’ve got Japan and their focus is on advance manufacturing, semiconductor materials and robotics. South Korea and their specialty is in memory and logic chips such as the high bandwidth memory and battery technology. The Netherlands, they control the critical lithography, EUV and manufacturing Equipment. Australia provides the rare earth and strategic mineral mining resources. I was kind of surprised by that. I didn’t realize they had so many of those resources. Israel focuses on AI software, cybersecurity and advanced chip design. The UEA, uae, it provides the major capital. So they’re the primary financiers, the supply chain, logistics and the hub.

Then we’ve got additional signatories. So they don’t have a strong role, but they’re signed on. India, United Kingdom, Germany, they contribute heavily to technology development, digital infrastructure and large scale industrial manufacturing. Argentina, Chile and Kazakhstan Dan offer rich supplies of critical minerals and raw materials for tech hardware. Finland and Sweden lead in telecommunications and they have been for forever. I mean I remember that in the early 2000s they were really leading the way. Advanced engineering and sustainable tech infrastructure. Philippines and Philippines has been a big conversation in Paxilica. They’ve actually made like a physical city where a lot of this infrastructure is being run out of.

In the Philippines provides strategic semiconductor, packaging, testing and assembly capacities. Costa Rica, Panama and El Salvador. And this is where we get some of that. I don’t know if I still have it in front of me. I don’t think I do. But the, the technate map comes into play. Costa Rica, Panama and El El Salvador, Central and South America nodes for secure tech supply chains and logistics. Greece, Qatar and Norway offer strategic energy resources, regional tech investments and data connectivity. And then the European Union and France provide the broad regional regulatory alignment and research funding. So this is a global initiative.

I mean what you hear, you’re just like naming country after country. So that’s why Patrick, you said yeah, I’m like, okay, I’m hearing everyone almost. So this is a global initiative. And I saw, when I saw the money like 70% of the investor capital was plowing into AI, which really wasn’t AI, I don’t think. I think it was maybe everything we’re talking about here I saw it as. And tell me if you see it this way too. It was a boom, a manufacturing boom to create an economy pretty much. And there was something else going on.

Well, at this point you see all. There’s been a buildup of wealth, especially in the Mideast, around countries like the UAE and Saudis as well and others. And the idea is global trade because the new global trade routes are going to be going through the Mideast. There’s several opportunities to do that. It’s not all one route per se, but there’s several routes that are in play to establish a new silk Road. Basically. And this global trade would be huge. We’re talking trillions and trillions of dollars. Does this include China? Just. China’s definitely a node. They’re not in Pak Silica at this point.

They probably never will be unless they give up their own AI. But the, the idea is for Paxtilia Silica to involve these companies or countries in a way that they can’t escape our control over the AI and the use of it. How does this compete with the BRICs? And they’re, they were doing those new trade routes. Is this almost a competitive to that, shutting that down? It’s a competitor and it’s also at the same time, but it’s not this, it’s not the same thing. But at this point, BRICS is over because India is, India has already established itself as the headwater of the new trade routes.

So India’s been involved with all these trade routes and you know, they’re not that they’re a major part of the BRICS consortium. It’s very significant. It’s almost like they stabbed him in the back and said, I’d rather join these groups. But there’s probably a lot of diplomacy, if you say diplomacy behind the scenes that caused that to happen. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. So. Yes, a lot. Okay. So I think that Bricks is like they’re still trying to hold on. I think there is some sort of like hedging going on, but ultimately I think they’ll be pretty much swallowed by this.

I don’t think they can compete. And I think it’s really interesting because the, the whole multipolarity conversation was, you know, other than the people who were promoting it, like it was not a very accepted in the mainstream milieu. And now the dialectical disputes are very public and have been amplified. And I, this is just my kind of like pattern matching brain. But, you know, my antenna always goes off when I start seeing how narratives that were suppressed are now allowed to be amplified. I kind of wonder why, like, what is the distraction? What are they averting or why is this, why are they being amplified now? And I think they’re being amplified because it does become kind of moot at this point.

And I think it’s a distraction from what’s going on with this Paxilica Imac corridor, you know, the, all of these other rails that are being developed. And in some ways I think it’s kind of a decoy from the USD 1 infrastructure that’s being set up. You know, we can point the finger at the, the baddies and you know, not really pay attention to what’s being constructed by our. That’s how they always do well at home. Yeah. That’s how it’s all, it’s. There’s always a misdirection, I think the ones that are the loudest in the media. I’m like, okay, what.

And I, I, this is. No, I know, but when I hear somebody like getting, being blast in the mean, I’m like, okay, well they probably are maybe deserving of it, but that means there’s something else happening. Yeah. Where I’m at mentally now. Yeah. And I was just gonna say I’m not a proponent of multipolarity. I’ve never been, I’ve always, you know, been very adamantly against multipolarity and I’ve been a strong vocal voice against it. But I just think it’s interesting that there have been a lot more voices who have joined me recently and that they’ve been, I mean I’m not amplified for it.

I’m still very much suppressed. But they’ve been amplified for this conversation. And so that was curious to me like okay, why it was going on. Well, interesting. I think the, the world structure has changed. I talked about that. The Red Pill Expo. Everybody’s still talking like the world is different or was the old ways. But you know, big tech has taken over and if you look at any large cap, you know, any of the indexes, they’re bigger than anything it’s ever been. Right. And that’s, that is a clear we’re follow the money and that’s a clear indication the world structure is different.

And these large companies, Google and Apple and Microsoft and Nvidia, all of these companies are global. Very much global. Right. They’re just as much in some of these other countries as they are here. China still has their own, a lot of their own companies that run their infrastructure and runs the same with Russia as some of theirs. But in general these companies are pretty much global. Totally. Exactly. And they have no national borders at all. And they’re operating as if they own the whole world at this point. And nation states are just a pesky nuisance for them.

If they could erase all the borders, they would probably do it in a heartbeat, but they can’t yet. But. Well, I know in the 90s we, we heard that that was the stuff that people were talking about, about back then, way back then, that these, everything is going to be circled around companies. They’re going to be bigger than countries and that’ power structures are. Yep. And that’s what’s happening now, right? Exactly. You can’t, you can’t underestimate it. Underestimate the, the power of AI at this point to conquer the world. They, all of these, these, I don’t know what you call them, people like Sam Altman, you know these people.

I know that the, they’re not just tech, bro. These people are insane, in my opinion. But you have a handful of people controlling all the levers of AI at this point. It’s out of political control. There’s no political oversight at all. And these are the people who are exporting the empire from Silicon Valley to the whole world. Yes, they are. This has never, this has never happened before in the history of the world. It’s a new phenomena, isn’t it? It is. It just, it’s different. It’s. It puts us into a different paradigm. And the people, the average people aren’t even capable really of having these conversations.

I don’t mean to be disrespectful to people, but it really feels like the, the level of community communication that we need to be having to actually govern ourselves and is not even close to where it is. I think you’re right. Yeah, this, this is a big problem. And our legislators at this point, they’re, they’re sleep at the switch. They don’t have a clue. They don’t have a clue what’s going on. Even, even when the State Department trotted out pack silica in the first place, everybody just said, what’s this? I mean, they, they couldn’t process it, what was going on.

I immediately saw it because I’ve been studying this for so long. But most people, including legislators, they say, well, whatever. Well, they have no idea what it is. And that’s what. The structure of the world has changed and we need to change with it. And I was on RT television on this panel and I was talking about how I did a conference presentation about how few people in Congress have the training to understand this new way the world is being run. Not that you have to have an engineering degree or computer science or whatever to understand it, but it just shows you how far.

And the guy that’s on the panel with me, I loved what he said to me. He goes, that’s not even remotely as bad as the fact that they had the senators in this committee. He goes, that’s a problem. But this is how really how bad it is. He agreed with me and made it a lot worse. He goes, they were talking about Twitter and how they were talking about impressions and they had to Stop the committee meeting to explain to the senators what the. What an impression was, was like. Yeah, well, as bad as. As bad as that is.

And I mean, they. They. A lot of them don’t have an understanding of the. The technology and the implications of the technology. I would absolutely agree with that. But I would say it’s even worse that they don’t have a fundamental understanding of the political structure upon which our. Our government is run. You know, I, I went. I was very vocal about the school choice initiative, and I was very vocal against my state legislators. And I was actually, you know, they can’t kick me out. They didn’t have any grounds. But they. They said the woman in the black fur was.

Winter was cold, you know, is not allowed back because she uses big words that we don’t understand. The big word that I use was that. Hold on. Is that a quote, what they said? Yeah, that’s a direct quote. I actually called the guy. He. He’s a young kid, and I’m crazy. I have the recording of confronting him about this. But. But, you know, I mean, he had no power to actually, you know, enforce this. It was just kind of a statement. It was a, you know, in my opinion, a tragic commentary on where we’re at, because the words that I use, it was two words.

It was Hegelian dialectic that they did not understand. And, you know, I was, I thought, very polite about it. I said, we don’t have to go into a whole history or a philosophical lesson. I can explain this to you in, like, a couple of sentences. And. But I think this is something we need to get on board with because essentially, what I was trying to point out, they kept saying, where the Republicans. I’m in Tennessee. Where the Republicans. We’re the good guys. We don’t understand why you’re, you know, coming at us. And I said, with all due respect, I don’t care if you have an R or D in front of your name.

I care whether or not you’re limiting our. Or you’re alienating our rights. And I said it would actually be better, in my opinion, if we had a Democrat government governor, not government governor, because then you wouldn’t just blindly carry water for him. You know, you would actually be looking at these bills and assessing whether or not, you know, you would have a much more persecution, persecutious adjudication. And so anyway, I, you know, Patrick and I have worked on this digital bill of rights, and the comments that I’m getting from both lawyers and, you know, state legislators is that the, the language is, you know, it’s rewriting the, it’s, you know, remaking the wheel.

It’s, you know it, that it’s too long, it’ too complicated. It’s literally drafted after. Yes. I mean with Patrick’s extensive knowledge of the technocracy, you know, there’s a lot of detailed technological buffers in there or buffers against, you know, the technology overriding our rights. However, a lot of the language is directly coming from the Declaration of Independence and the fact that they don’t understand the metaphysical firewall that was built into our Declaration of Independence, which is the only document, the only political legal document in world history as far as I know. If there’s others, forgive me, I have not seen it.

But that codify that metaphysical firewall. And for our state legislators to be that clueless, that’s a problem to me. Well, I think you’re right. I think with the black boxes that we have and what Patrick was saying earlier, where you just have handful of people who are controlling this combined with the black boxes, all of these tech world is in a black box. We have no idea what these algorithms are. We have no idea. But they’re running everything. And you can put the best Bill of Rights out there and if it’s still all hidden behind black boxes and nobody has a clue and they’re kind of cross eyed over it, they could just do whatever they want.

I mean, that’s what’s going on right now. Yep. The purpose, the purpose, my purpose in the first place was to try to conceive of digital bill rights was to make an expression for people, for citizens to understand first. If you can cut off the, the encroachment of technocracy never reaching you in the first place. For instance, digital currency, programmable digital currency, what are you know, the right to not be surveilled, the right to be forgot. The, the right to be in charge of all, all of your data, whatever. If, if there’s, if there was a way to insulate people from all this stuff that’s happened in society and I think it’s, there’s a good case for, for people will understand what we wrote, legislators won’t at this point.

They’re kicking back on us and it’s insane. What I wanted to say, say to them and I’ll have an opportunity I think tomorrow to talk with two or three state senators from Arizona. I’m going to tell them bluntly, your role is to protect us. Period. Your role in life is to protect the people that you Serve. So protect us for Pete’s sake from this monster that’s trying to eat the world. You can do it. You say, well we don’t know what to do. Well, here’s the document, read it. If you can’t understand it, we’ll spell it out for you what it says.

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The AI can be programmed to look for certain types of events and flag you wherever you are and then go and get you. You know, I mean it, it can get really, really scary very, very quickly if we don’t do what you’re talking about. I think that we have, we’re almost at a crisis point honestly of crisis of ignorance and then on so many levels, the legislators need to really beef up their understanding and citizens need to too. Everybody needs to. And then they need to push back. Although I think the pushback is happening, I just don’t think the legislators are responding to the push right now.

You’re right. They’re not listening to the people at this point. There’s so many people across the country now. There’s tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people who have risen up to go to city council meetings, county commissioner meetings, to protest, flock cameras or data centers. People aren’t listening at any level at this point to the citizens of the country. There’s people out there are being harmed just egregiously. People that can’t afford their utility bills anymore. For instance, in Arizona here, we’re about to run out of water. That’s ridiculous though. It’s insane. Well, you know, the data centers don’t even need to have.

They can be closed loop systems, so they’re not even. I don’t know what, what’s going on. Because you can fix all the engineering issues. I mean, literally fix every single engineering issue all the way down to the frequency resonating with your body. Fix all of it, and you’re still going to have an AI issue. Yeah, and the closed loop doesn’t really fix it because it still pollutes the water. It’s just a. There. Yeah, it’s all different problems, but there’s still a lot of problems with the closed loop. No, no, no, you can fix it. Engineering wise, you can fix it.

You can do distributed. I mean, that’s, that’s my background. You can fix it. And so nobody can tell me you can’t. You can fix it, you can fix all of those issues, but you can do a perfect engineering job and you still are going to have an AI issue, period. You’re right. You’re absolutely right. And whatever, whatever AI is, apparently they think they cannot solve these problems. But they’re all, they’re engineers in the first place and scientists and whatever. And they’ve, they’ve created a tool that they say can, you know, can’t cure cancer, you know, figure out what makes atoms tick, etc.

But they can’t solve these problems over here. Give me a break. They’re ignoring that. They’re just simply not doing it. But I don’t, I don’t want us to think, which I think is great, people are pushing back, but I don’t want people to think that if you solve the data center issue, which is Weird. You have like massive data centers, which is ridiculous. But if you solve those issues, you didn’t solve the problem. Problem. I mean, because Elon Musk’s completely distributed satellite system, which is actually is fairly decent engineering job, that didn’t solve anything from having data and surveillance and AI issues.

I mean all of those issues still exist, including your data. What they used to do with data and they, well used to, they do now. They’d run it out of the country into Iceland or some other country. And then while it’s run out, it’s suddenly free game. It’s no longer private. So I mean in a space it’s not private. So. But, but the engineering is pretty good. Well, indeed. You know, if it were possible to take all the AI compute in the space, this is probably where it’s going to go in the future. It will, you know, okay, they, they’ve solved the cooling problem.

All the compute is away from us, but it’s going to beam down to control everything on the planet at that point. And you’re right, it doesn’t matter if the problem gets solved. This is just the, the, the people protesting now are just the tip of the iceberg. And that’s right. Bigger, bigger, bigger issues need to be solved. But nevertheless, they’re finally being vocal, at least that much. They’re expressing what’s going on here. We’re being harmed, we want relief. This is a good place to start. Maybe they’ll listen to people like Courtney and I and this program and maybe they get an idea, oh, we have a bigger problem here.

That’s right. Yeah. I get nervous that people think. And there’s also, there’s also the worldwide issue. I think that, you know, whether you liked him or not, Robert David Steele, some of the things he said about open everything, open source, everything, you know, he said that years ago. I actually agree with him. I think we need to open this, we need to open all this up and that. I think that’s one of the only ways we’re going to solve some of these problems. But do you think we have enough political clout or, I mean, how do you get there? How do we solve some of these issues? Number one, I want to go back to the people that are making all this stuff now.

The Sam Altman’s of the world. These people are arch technocrats in nature and personality and whatever’s kicking around in their, in their head. They’re totally mechanistic in their worldview. They, they believe anything can be analyzed. It’s all about the data. Et cetera. These people don’t think the same way that we think. I don’t. I, I. That’s my opinion. In any case. So when. When they set policies in motion to do these things that, like, surveil, you know, who came up with the idea of the Flock Cameras, for instance? Who did that? Well, you can trace it for one, to Mark Andreessen and Peter Thiel, who put money against it for this guy to, to create this company.

He had a slide deck. He pitched it to them, and they said, oh, this would be a great idea. Let’s go build this whole surveillance system around Flock Cameras. That, that, that has have to happen. No, it didn’t, but it did, because these people, these crazed technocrats, thought it was a great idea, and now we’re all suffering the consequences of it. So all that to say there’s another ideology marching around the world now that has nothing is not connected to humanity at all. These people are on their own rails at this point. They. And so if they harm millions of people, it doesn’t bother them.

Doesn’t bother them at all. They don’t care. That’s why we have the engineering issues. They don’t care because you can solve. They don’t care. So. Yes. So you both have worked really hard. You have multiple books, you’ve been working together. You put out the 10, the digital. What is it? The 10? I’m thinking 10 commandments. It’s not the commandments. What do you call it? The digital rights Bill of rights. Digital bill of rights to the states. Are there 10? 15. There are 15, yeah. Is there 10? Okay, but it’s probably as important as that. I’m serious, because this is.

I haven’t seen anything in world history that can take our rights and our freedoms away more complete and more. More effectively than this. Yeah, we agree. We totally agree. This is, this is what. This is what? It doesn’t. It doesn’t keep me up at night necessarily. I’m not. That’s not my personality to worry about stuff, but I do all that. Yes, she does. She. She worries for both of us. Yeah. But at this point, there’s no time left to solve this issue, to push back all these technocrats from wanting to destroy society. So there will be a time in the future.

I don’t know who’s going to say when it passes, but there will be a time in the future. It will be virtually impossible to escape the debt that’s been created. It’ll come. It’ll come in the future. Do you see any Positive implementations. You know, some people want to go back to being a Mennonite type person, you know, but can we responsibly implement AI Responsibly implement, you know, the telecom telecommunications responsibly have all the. This Absolutely, positively. So there’s so many good applications for, for technology today. We’re using it right now. It staggers the mind this, that where, where technology can be used for, for good things, not to control the whole world.

And you know all these people that had this idea, well we have to micro, micromanage everybody in society. That’s their goal. That should not be our goal. We don’t want to be micromanaged out here. We don’t want to be told where we can spend our money. Do you think that I don’t want to cut you off. I would love to. I was going to add to that. I think that, you know, that they’re certainly the megalomaniacs and you know, people who are, you know, trying to amass all the world’s resources and control and power and we don’t need to speculate about them.

They’ve told us what they’re on words. So we have written documentation, you know, that that’s not some like cabal theory, that that’s. We have evidence of it. However, I would just say to point out that there are a lot of people who with this technology, because you asked if there are good things that can come out of this technology. And I would argue there absolutely is. And I would also take it a step further and say that a lot of the people who are executing the problem are people who actually think they’re doing good for the world.

You know, they’re not all the result. Right. The result may be maniacal and evil, diabolical in my opinion. You know, that may be the result of it. But I don’t think a lot of these people think oh we’re going to create some technology that’s going to control the world and micromanage everybody. They think this is the betterment of humanity or the next stage of evolution. And you know, it’s one of the things that we talked about in the book is the philosophy behind the technocracy. And you know, I know people’s eyes kind of glaze over. I’ve talked to you a lot about, you know, philosophy, my philosophical musings.

And people’s eyes do tend to glaze over and they think, oh, philosophy, you know, it’s yon time. But it is really important. And it’s important not from a Like romanticized ideal, kind of. Oh, let’s talk about ancient poetry, which has its place. Obviously, you know, I’m not, you know, admonishing that, but it’s important from the perspective that this is the belief system, it’s the worldview that these people inhabit. And from their perspective, this is what needs to be done. They don’t see it as necessarily doing evil. So I think that’s really important to understand. But you go back to people like Saint Simon and Auguste Comte, who was his secretary and his disciple, who talked about creating the society run.

This was coming out of the French Revolution. They saw it as a solution that it would be the administration of things, and they were thinking this would solve problems. Now, when you think about that, though, what does that reduce human beings to? We become things. We effective. They didn’t have the technology then that they do now, you know, but they. But all corporations. But corporations that way. Right. Because they call us human resources, for example. We’re all like, yeah, no, absolutely. And I draw that through line all the time through, you know, the field of psychology, which has, you know, Tavistock.

And that what legitimized it, it gave that academic credential layer to the worldview of using human beings as raw, unfinished material to be molded like clay, which we’re not. Right. But I don’t. I. I’m so pessimist. I don’t. I think that even without that, I think business people would have. No, but that comes out of people that way anyways. Sure. But what I. The reason I mentioned it is because Tao stock created human relations. They. They created human resources. That comes straight out of Tavistock. No, but what I’m saying, even if the word came out of that, I think back in Egyptian time, when they have slaves, that’s how they saw people.

I think the phenomena is just how people see it when it comes to economics. But I think on it. Yeah. You know, the academic credential layer, which makes it so that it’s the. It become pervasive and it lends the credibility that came out of that, that, you know, that field. So. Yeah, I don’t disagree with you. We’re in agreement. I think we would. But. Okay. The. The other thing you were talking about is tyranny, really is. Tyranny is almost always done by people thinking they’re going to do something good. Right. They’re trying to solve problems. Covid was a great example of.

Now there are probably evildoers that did know what they’re doing. Right. But there were a lot of People who jumped on the bandwagon ready to silence everybody who didn’t agree because they thought that was the right thing to do when it was really tyranny. You can look at or Christian organic, you know, Christian churches. And so many of the things they do where they trying to, you know, they shut people down or whatever and they think it’s to do to help society, it’s the betterment of society. That has been like that throughout all of history where tyranny is almost the worst when it’s backed by solutions people think is right.

That’s a, that’s a technique and it works very well. It’s a technique by the people who are bad guys. When people, when people can be convinced that they’re doing a good thing, it’s a good cause, but they don’t see the, the man behind the curtain. They can go out and do all kinds of stuff in the name of good. And this, this is happening, this is happening all over the world probably at this point. So how do we, how do we. How do we change that? How do we get them to see it? Besides informing? I mean, is there other things we do? You did your, your Bill of Rights.

Is that. I mean, that’s what you guys are doing, which is great. I mean, how I can. I mean, that’s like the best you could do almost. What else can we do? Well, you know, education, people. People don’t understand the issues. They really don’t. They’re hung up on technology that’s basically going to destroy their lives. And they’re trapped. They don’t see the hammer coming down on them or the ax. So you try to warn people, give them some ideas what it looks like and how they can recognize trouble when it’s coming at them. But if people just walk, walk around in a daze, you can’t reach them.

This, this is a problem today. It really is. I get. I did deal with this all the time with people. They. They just don’t get it. They think, well, you know, life is okay. My, yeah, my utility bills are going up. Yeah, my rent went up, whatever, but I’m still here. I still have a job. You know, I make mike ends meet, sort of. And they just don’t see that there’s, like the freight train is coming at them at full speed. Do you think that they are like that though, because they feel that they’re powerless? That’s.

That’s part of the problem. It really is. You know, there, there’s a latent idea there. What can I do for what can I do about it? Anyway, this is bad thinking because if people. The only people who are going to be harmed are us, and there’s nobody else in the room who could do anything except us, well, that’s what our government is, is us. Right? Well, I’m, you know, I’m suing the federal government in Google, and I don’t know if you know about that lawsuit. And I. A lot of people who could have joined me felt that it was not a lot.

I see a couple handful didn’t want to join because they felt that the legal system was so broken that there was nothing that was even remotely doable. And it didn’t matter that the evidence is overwhelming for them. They thought it didn’t matter how much evidence you have, you’re not going to win. And I don’t take that pessimistic view because I can’t give up, because I think that it’s very, very, very important that the public sees underneath the hood. And we need to see what the federal government and Google are actually, actually did and are capable of.

Now, that is still history, but it will at least show people what the possibilities are when you add an extra layer of software sophistication on top of it. And it’s not history. I mean, it’s still happening. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. History. People think that because it’s not the same skill that it was in Covid. I mean, when I got my channel back and it was only maybe six months ago or something, they admitted that I violated no community standards. I didn’t do jack s. You know, blank. Like, they. They flat out admitted that. So they didn’t tell me why they nuked me.

And they nuked me six times, by the way. So, you know, this was not. And now they still do it. I mean, I’m still getting shadow banned and censored in much more subtle ways. Twitter has, you know, kicked me recently. I appealed, I got it back. But, yeah, so it’s not so not offensive. God, keep going. I always. I’m like, how am I so threatening? I always ask that. I appreciate you saying that because it’s just ridiculous when I see people like you. Well, I’m attacked, too. I was on the front. I was on the front search the front page of Google, search as a porn star for weeks.

I mean, why? What is with you? Right? My 11th episode of my podcast, they did the SPLC or some, like, adjacent. They just deemed me a hate podcast. I’m like, what have I even said? It’s like, been Eight episodes. And mostly it was talking about, like, my personal history. Yeah, I mean, so. But I. But to answer your question, so, yes, I’m fully supportive of what you’re doing, and I do not think it’s history. And I do think it’s important that we see what they’re doing so people can understand and how that. When that scales up, because it’s only going to scale up.

I think the big thing, to answer your question, of people feeling powerless, I think this is so important, and Patrick did a great job. I think it also comes down to that people want. I always make the joke that the only game people learned to play when they were growing up was pin the tail on the donkey because they just kind of want something so simple. It’s like, you know, if we can just point the finger, that’s a problem. It’s the one and done, and then we can just cut the head off the snake, and then we can be out free and clear.

And the world’s just not that simple. But neither are we. And I don’t think the solution comes in one answer. Not everybody has the resources to pursue a legal battle. I commend you for doing it. I support you. Whatever it can do. By the way, I’m in your corner on that. I need donations. Can you call me? Yeah, so I, you know, and I’ll put the word off of that, but, like, not everybody has the resources to do that, but everybody has gifts, strengths, talents, and unique resources. We all have a different role to play. And that’s part of the reason, by the way, that, you know, Patrick and I agreed that it is so important for this to be a digital bill of the rights for the states, because, you know, the more local, the more centralized it becomes, the easier it is to corrupt.

Like, you know, this is not to go into, like, conspiratorial land. But, you know, the part of the reason the Illuminati was so effective and. And this was their strategy, by the way, was because Freemasonry was so decentralized, so they could infiltrate in localized, you know, sectors. And that was actually more effective than infiltrating in one centralized locus. And they knew that, and it was very strategic. And we see this repeated today. So it’s not to go into a whole derail. Digress about the Illuminati, but it’s to point out strategy. And this is why states rights, the 10th Amendment, has to be enforced and utilized.

And this is why people need to get active in their local communities and in their families. There’s things that everybody can do. We see people pushing back against data centers, flock cameras. We see people protecting their own children, saying I will not let my children have screen time or I will not let you know the this system, the AI be surveilling my child, whether it’s in my homeschool curriculum or in this school. They’re protesting, you know, they’re think everybody has something they can do. We all have power. What we need to do is figure out what our passions and proclivities lean us and steer us towards.

Let that be our guide so that we can then figure out where we have resources, where our talents send themselves and get mobilized to do something. It’s not going to look the same for everybody. So we are not powerless. Some people might be paralyzed by it. It’s overwhelming, but we’re not powerless at all. But we have different access and different abilities and powers and we need to figure out tap into that. Quick break from the program to share with you something amazing. This is called slup. It’s actually slupp330 but it’s been shortened to Sloop. And this thing mimics exercise.

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You know, it’s interesting. In San Francisco, where AI was born in the first place, there’s two cultures now for young people. There’s the tech bros. They, they, they show up up in a clique usually to eat dinner or drink or whatever, party. And then there’s everybody else. Everybody else is in a majority at that point. But the tech, everybody knows who the tech bros are in Washington and San Francisco. The young people on our side, if you will, they’re complaining that they, they don’t like the culture in San Francisco anymore because of AI in particular, and they hate it.

They at. They’re complaining all over the place that AI is just a scourge. You saw all of these universities around the country that had commencement speeches given by people like Eric Schmidt at as University of Arizona. That’s my. Where I went to college, by the way, down in Tucson, Arizona. He went there and he gave a nice speech and he brought up AI to the students. They booed him. He looked, the look in his eyes was priceless. Why are you booing me? This sort of thing. And they just flat out booed him. Every time he brought the subject again, they boot him again.

This happened all over the country and usually by experts in the field who went, who were invited to make a speech to the seniors. And they were all booed. Well, well, they’re struggling to get jobs. They’re struggling to have a decent living. And then you have people like Elon Musk saying in three years robots are going to take over everything and there will be no human labor. Which I think is. He’s a salesman. He talks about the electric cars taking over the. I don’t think it’s as bad as that, but it is a conversation we need to be having.

And these young people are like, well, what are we going to do? Where are we going to work? You’re right. Exactly. They have little hope at this point. If they listen to people like Sam Altman and Elon Musk, etcetera or Larry Ellison, that this is the message they come away with. There’s no place for us in society anymore. That’s. Now that’s a sad statement, because there’s no place for us in society. That’s truly how they feel. And, and to not have a conversation about it and not actually. And to ignore the people is almost. Isn’t the story of itself.

It’s just incredible. And these conversations are happening in every city around the world, by the way. Maybe not some African cities or some, you know, South American or places where it’s not very built up, but every single metropolitan city in every country is having these conversations. It’s interesting also that the young people have always been. And during a revolution, in the case, the young people are always manipulated somehow to favor the revolutionaries. This is flipped on his head right now because the people that are putting AI in place to control the world, the young people, they’re there and they’re the up and coming generation that will own this stuff in just a few years.

They’re rebelling against the system. And they say, we’re not. We’re not going there. We’re not gonna. We’re not gonna be with you to implement this stuff. We don’t want it. We don’t want it, period. Well, we won’t have a job. We won’t be able to eat. Yeah. The young people are not, you know, they, they have a much better understanding, mostly because they. They’re not Luddites, as you said. They grew up with this technology. They know how to use it. They actually do understand it. I’m not saying they’re all coders or engineers, you know, some of them are, but you know that.

That’s not what I’m saying. But they do have a real understanding of it. They understand the implications of it. They understand how it could be manipulative, how they could be manipulated by it. They’ve experienced it firsthand. They understand where it can go wrong. Even when it’s incredible, even when it has tremendous abilities and powers and where it could be useful, they still see because they, they’re intimately involved with it, even when they don’t want to be. They’re being forced to. A lot of the. The younger generation, you know, entering the workforce right now in corporate America are being forced to use this technology, and they resent it because they’re mostly.

It’s like the, the blood life is being sucked out to train these models. And, you know, it’s. It’s like having a really horrendous kind of Assistant who, who just, you know, sucks all your time and drains from you instead of being helpful to you. So in some cases it’s actually, you know, causing them more work. And they’re. But they’re intimately involved with it. And they don’t all hate the technology. They hate what it could do. They hate being controlled by it and they hate the possibility of being locked out of society. And that’s really, you know, when we talked about PAC silica, that’s the problem is we already have all of these infrastructures that have become law.

Essentially, that’s already in place. But when you talk about Paxilica, now you’re taking into a global infrastructure where you have one system, then you cannot escape. There’s no escape route. And so the law is pervasive and there’s no exit. That’s the problem. And I think that that’s what the young people really see. Well, what do you see with, you know, around the world? Like, do you think that. Okay, I’m a little bit of devil advocate, although I don’t like to do this. We have to. If China’s building up their AI and France is building up their AI and Russia’s building up there, and all these other countries are possibly building this up, we kind of have to at least match it, sort of.

I mean, how do we compete with that? And how do we. Because it’s not. Even if we protect the United States, can we protect ourselves from a global situation where China or some other country has very, very, very powerful AI? No, we can’t. That’s. This is the problem. This is one of the problems. If the only way, the only way that you can put, put a firewall around yourself personally is with a digital bill of rights. And even, even on a city basis, even a city basis or a state basis, if you, There’s. It doesn’t matter where the incursion comes from.

For instance, President Trump said recently in his speech he gave that, well, our election system was penetrated by China. Okay, well, maybe, maybe it is. It doesn’t matter if it was true or not. But that’s what he said. It was penetrated. Just who was the culprit? Okay, so, yeah, so, so it was. You can’t, you could, we could not protect himself, protect ourselves if that was the case. Unless there’s a digital bill rights in place that can be enforced by somebody who’s in control of who that group of people could be a state, could be a city, could be a county.

And at that point, if you have that, that, that firewall personal firewall around you. Nobody can come in. It doesn’t matter if. If it comes from the EU or Great Britain or Australia or whatever, it’s not going to affect you. This. How. How if the rest. Let’s say it’s just your state and the whole rest of the world is on this AI, how do you protect yourself from that? I mean, I’m talking about future scenario. You know, I know that this. This is really the take. Take the case of. This is probably the wrong example, but take.

Take the case of flock cameras. Flock cameras have been thrown out of at least 100 cities around the country lock, stock and barrel. Great. Yep. I think New Hampshire entirely doesn’t allow them. Yep. So there. There’s one case at least, where you got the monkey off your back because the flock cameras can’t operate there anymore. Well, think about digital currency. Programmable digital currencies is what’s to tokenize everything in the world, all the assets. That’s what Larry Fink said. Everything that can be tokenized will be tokenized. Okay. So if you want to. If you. If it’s possible to be protected from tokenization of your assets or assets in your community, you can.

If there’s an amendment to prevent that from happening in the first place, they’re going to have to go look somewhere else. They’re not going to do it here. They do it over there. Another. Another state, but not here. This is the only protection we have for any global effort to try to control us. But I honestly, when you look at people, people like Peter Thiel, we have the enemy right. Right here in our own soil. So. Well, we need the whole world to step up. The whole world needs to step up and say, we want to be free human beings.

Beings. Otherwise we’re going to have like the city of Zion in the Matrix movie. You know what I mean? Yes. You’re going to have limited abilities. Yeah. Because they’ll just cut you off. You might remember the. The closing speech of the. The Zion when the Matrix movie, where Neo or whoever it was stood up and, you know, he’s rallying the troops. The machines were about to attack again. And he gave this great speech and he said. And I remember all this stuff about we’re still here and we’ve been fighting these machines for 100 years. He said, and we’re still here.

And everybody cheered. This is the. This is the. The paradigm of the human spirit. And I’m not. I’m not. I’m not getting mystical for sure, over the. The Matrix movie. But that this is the spirit of humanity. We will survive somehow, in spite of all these machines that try to destroy us or control us. In the end, I think we’ll be successful. There may not be many of us left at that point, but we, we’re going to suffer that. We suffer the fallout of the Hubis, but nevertheless, we will survive. I think in time there’ll be a solution and probably it could wreck a lot of the tech companies and there’ll be no more.

Well, it doesn’t need to. They don’t. They can just start being pro human. And how amazing would that be? Oh, that would be. Oh, yes. That would be so cool. I could just. I could just. I could just hug somebody a tech bro if they said, I want to be human. Well, I have a. I have an issue with that, though, because a lot of them think they are being pro human. I mean, there’s the. In Silicon Valley, there’s the whole dialectic of the Doomers and the Boomers, right? They’re the people who are running around screaming that AI is going to destroy the world and we have to control it, but they think they’re the ones to control it.

And then you’ve got, of course, the Boomers, and then you’ve got the adjacent Christian nationalists who call it the builders. You know, it’s a whole. But the end of the dialectical churn is that AI controls everything regardless. But the difference with the Boomer, the Doomers, is they think that they’re pro human. You hear this all the time. I mean, there’s all these organizations. You know, Tristan Harris runs one of them. Like there are many of these organizations they’ve created. Back in 2024, they created the Participatory Framework for a Global AGI Constitution. And this is where they say that we have to parent the AGI so they become benevolent and so that, you know, eventually the AGI is actually going to make us subordinate because their ethics will be better than ours because they worship Gaia and we’re, you know, not good stewards of the planet.

Now, who’s involved in this? That you’ve got people like Ben Goertzel, you know, who is a Hanson Robotics Sophia robot. He was also working with the un, the World Economic Forum, on the AI for, For good. I don’t know that his ethics are necessarily aligned with mine, but. So that’s what’s going to be. Yeah, right. And then, and then we’ve got. He’s also, you know, partners on open cog with Gino U, which he’s got a very different vision of what AI, you know, AGI and ASI is than what people like Kurzweil or Martin Minsky, which I think is actually less scary because they see it as just compute and he thinks about consciousness and they’re trying to transport machine consciousness.

Anyway, there’s Maria Boseman, who’s a Club of Rome member. You’ve got Annalise Smithson, who created Earthwise, and she’s a game B proponent. And then you’ve got Laura George, who’s one of. In Oracle Institute. You’ve got these people who are creating this. And now you’ve got the AI World Society, who’s rebranded the AI Wisdom Society. And yes, that is a straight out of New Age. I wrote a whole series on it. I’m not inferring that. I used to infer it, but now they’ve actually admitted it. So there they say that in 2027 they’re gearing up to write.

By the way, Michael Dukakis, the head of Boston Global Forum, who is the former governor of Massachusetts, wrote his. It used to be his old book was Remaking the World towards the Age of Global Enlightenment. And that was. It was a lot about AI, but now he wrote a new one that he launched on May 1, which again happens to be the 250th anniversary of the inception of the Illuminati. I don’t know if that’s why they chose it, but it’s interesting. They didn’t choose July 4th, but the book is called America at 250, a beacon for the AIH.

And what their initiative is, is to create a global constitution for 2027. That’s next year. That’s half a year away. Do you. Do you find, you know, you’re going to have a lot of people who are trying to come up with ideas to govern AI because they see the issues. I don’t have an issue with people stepping up and trying to get their arms around it. It’s only if they are doing it to control everybody else. But if they can actually make some differences that. I mean, do you think some of these organizations are in place to actually do some good things? Things.

So I do. My problem. Some of them are. My problem is that the result. Intention does not equate to the result. Yeah, yeah. So a lot of these people think they’re doing good. The Club of Rome, the un, they think that they’re doing good for humanity. Look at what the destruction they’ve created. And most of these people think they’re creating world peace. Now a really interesting way to look at this is Robert Mueller, who was the assistant Secretary General for the UN for, for over four decades. Right. He talked about what peace actually means for the un.

He said that it, I’m paraphrasing, but he essentially said it’s to eradicate any dissent. So it’s because if you have your vision of utopia. I have my vision of utopia. And they’re diametrically opposed. One of us has to go so we can have utopia. That’s what peace means. That’s what we’re going to, we’re going to kill peace. Yeah. We’re gonna war everybody until they don’t fight back anymore. Now that’s peace. That’s why we need war, so we can have peace. Now you get it? Yeah, that’s, yeah, exactly. Is that like the beatings will continue until morale improves? Something like that.

Till you keep your mouth shut. I, I don’t want to end on like a doomer note. Let’s end on something more positive. Well, I just want to clarify that. I’m not saying that like that doesn’t mean that there’s no hope. It just means that, you know, as Patrick said, education is really important. There’s a reason why they’ve captured the education system and again it’s not entirely because they’re all sinister nefarious being is because their worldview is opposed to our freedom and not because they’re they. I mean some of them, as I said, there’s always psychopaths in the world.

Like that’s not disputable but, but a lot of them actually think that that’s what’s better for humanity. But the result of their metaphysics is alienable rights. We need to get back to what, at least this country. We can’t fix the world. I know it would be great if we could have the whole world step up. We need to start at home. Start with yourself, start with your family, start with your schools, your community. Hopefully it’ll have a ripple effect outward instead of having this top down tyrannical effect. Well, that’s why I said everybody needs to step up everywhere because then that’s local stepping up en masse and that, that creates the change.

Yes. And let me, let me just say the technocrats, arch technocrats in Washington D.C. and other others like Elon Musk, he’s not in Washington now, but these, these tech oligarchs, they’re running scared right now. You look around. I saw a documentary and some interviews where almost probably every tech Oligarch at this point has established at least one bunker for themselves. How many people do you know have a bunker? How many people have the money to buy a bunker? I was going to say, I wish I had a bunker. I might get one if I had enough money to throw around.

My husband talks about it daily. Yeah, that, that’s the dream. That that’s what the fund is for. Yeah, that’s funny. Okay, guys, where can they support you? I know you have a book out already. You have another one coming. You have your Bill of Rights. I mean, you have so much that you’re doing. It’s really great work. I know. Technocracy News for me, this is my latest book. This is the New Economics of Technocracy, you Will Own Nothing. And it’s all available on Technocracy News. All of our books are there. And also on, on Amazon. The, the audiobooks are there, the Kindle versions are there, and the paperbacks are there as well.

And then there you go. So you got all your book. Okay, so Technocracy News. And you got a newsletter they can sign up for, right? Well, yeah, I sent, I sent out. Yeah, I put articles up every day and a newsletter goes out informing people, go and read that one or whatever. I’m on your newsletter. I’ve been getting it for years. I think since like years before COVID You sent me a lanyard during COVID Covid and you kind of saved me. Yeah, I remember we talked and I. Because I wouldn’t wear a mask and so that lanyard.

I remember somebody in Walmart coming and attacking me. I’m like, I hold up the lanyard. It was really awesome. We we kick some butt for sure. Courtney, do you have a new book coming out? I think you do. I, I have several. Well, we have one that I wrote with him. We go. I think there’s the Final Betrayal. I have several books I’m working on those are in the works right now, but I have my substack in the meantime and I do right there pretty often. And those are usually kind of book length articles. They’re. They’re not short.

I’ve got a review I should have out tomorrow, maybe the next the Odyssey. And it’s, it’s book length. I think it’s like 100 pages already. Wow. You should, you should publish some of those as a book. Yeah, like my algorithmic oracle in like a word font is like on word is 130 pages. So yeah, some of them are really books. But yeah, so I’m working on that. I’M trying to figure all that out. But yeah, in the meantime, you can find them on courtneytourner.substack.com and that’s a or Courtney show has all of my links and I spell my name like Courtenay.

So it’s C O U R T E N A Y T R N E R. Well, thank you so much for joining the program. This was a great conversation. I really appreciate it. Sa.
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