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➡ The Untold History Channel features a guest named John, an author and indigenous Australian from the Warramangu tribe. John shares his tribe’s belief that all men are equal, regardless of skin color, and discusses the historical struggles of Aboriginals in Australia. He talks about the British invasion and the subsequent war, the lack of recognition and rights for Aboriginals until the late 20th century, and the current challenges they face, including forced vaccinations during the pandemic. John also explains the cultural significance of songs and stories in Aboriginal culture, which serve as a navigational tool across Australia.
➡ The text discusses the cultural practices and history of the Aboriginal people in Australia. It explains how their art, often misunderstood, is actually a form of mapping and storytelling. The text also delves into the gender roles within the Aboriginal community and their creation story. It further discusses the struggles faced by the Aboriginal people, including the loss of their land and cultural heritage due to colonialism and modern development.
➡ The speaker shares his journey of dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), emphasizing that it’s not about fully recovering but learning to manage it better. He talks about the importance of having supportive people around and the power of vulnerability. He also discusses the therapeutic effect of crying, which helps the body release toxins. The speaker ends by encouraging listeners to give what they can to others, even in times of personal struggle, and expresses hope that his experiences can help others.
➡ The speaker discusses the socio-economic struggles and racial disparities faced by Aboriginal people in Australia, comparing them to the experiences of African Americans in the U.S. He criticizes the lack of appreciation for cultural diversity and the victimhood mentality, while also acknowledging the systemic issues that lead to high incarceration rates among these communities. He calls for a balanced conversation that acknowledges past wrongs but also focuses on the potential for improvement and growth.
➡ The speaker discusses his journey from being a victim of trauma to reinventing himself. He emphasizes the importance of resilience and determination in overcoming adversity, using his experience in boxing as a metaphor. He also highlights the role of physical exercise in his recovery, describing it as a form of medication that helps him cope with life better. The speaker encourages others to take responsibility for their own recovery and to train hard not just for today’s battles, but for those of tomorrow as well.
➡ The speaker discusses his journey of understanding his physical health issues, which he links to trauma from his childhood. He explains how physical therapy helped him realize that his body was twisted due to fear, affecting his breathing and causing health issues like blood clots and heart arrhythmia. He emphasizes the importance of viewing the body as a system, where everything is interconnected. The speaker also touches on the negative effects of certain substances on his mental health, and shares some historical information about a war in Australia.
➡ The text discusses the history of slavery, including the enslavement of Irish and Europeans by North African pirates. It criticizes the current generation for not valuing wisdom and knowledge from elders, and for being too focused on material possessions and formal education. The speaker emphasizes the importance of learning from different cultures and experiences, and criticizes the societal pressure to go to college and accumulate debt. The speaker also shares his personal experience of connecting with his indigenous roots and learning from his tribe.
➡ The text discusses the importance of learning and adapting to new situations, using the example of a World War II fighter ace learning to fly modern aircraft in Vietnam. It also highlights the value of humility and seeking advice from others. The text then delves into the topic of PTSD, discussing the potential benefits of certain treatments like microdosing mushrooms and human growth hormone. However, it emphasizes the need for professional medical advice and the challenges of obtaining these treatments due to cost and availability.
➡ The text discusses the high cost of healthcare and the manipulation of prices by pharmaceutical companies. It also explores the use of psilocybin and other substances under professional guidance for therapeutic purposes. The speaker shares a personal story about trauma and PTSD, emphasizing the importance of addressing childhood trauma for healing. The text concludes with a discussion on the prevalence of sexual abuse and its impact on mental health, particularly among military personnel.
➡ The text discusses the involvement of high-ranking individuals in illegal activities, including human trafficking and organ harvesting. It mentions the Epstein case and the alleged successor, NYGA, who reportedly required multiple victims daily. The text also discusses the situation in Haiti, where it’s claimed that a large portion of aid money disappeared and organ harvesting occurred. The speaker also promotes his book, “Deal With It,” which discusses his experiences and recovery from trauma.
➡ The speaker emphasizes the importance of overcoming a victim mentality and pushing through challenges every day. They share personal stories of resilience and growth, highlighting the role of supportive relationships in their journey. They also discuss the struggle of distinguishing between paranoia and reality, and the need to be open and teachable in order to heal and move forward.

Welcome to the Untold History Channel. Ron Partain. Here it is, Saturday, March 1st. Hard to believe it’s already march. Absolutely crazy. I am joined today with a very special guest, a mutual friend of my good friend Ghost. He. He introduced me to John, and John has a tremendous story that needs to be told, and he’s actually an author. How many books have you written, brother? I’m not sure. I think 14 or 17 or something like that. Depends on how you count them. Wow. And so John is actually from the. From. From the land down under. I’m not going to call him minute work, but.

But no, John. John. Actually, in all seriousness, John has a tremendous story and I’m gonna introduce him. I’ve. I’ve already kind of introduced him here, so. Again, guys, apologies for. For me not. I’m. I’m sharper than a marble, but still not. I’m still kind of dull today, just recovering from my. From my sickness, but. Dr. John, great. Great to have you here, brother. And look. Look forward to today. Yeah, g’day, mate. Yeah, nice. Thank you very much. Great to be here. Nice to meet you. Good to have Ghost floating around the background as he always does.

Yes. Just tell us a little bit about your story. Just kind of. I mean. I mean, start wherever you want. Oh, bro, did I. Did I open up a can of worms there? It just depends, man. This has got. I don’t know, man. To be honest, I look back at my life and I am. I’m blessed, but, man, it’s a nightmare. I’d hate it to be anyone else’s story, but I’m very grateful that it’s mine. You know, it’s one of those. I remember praying at many times and saying, just. I don’t know why and I don’t understand, but just let.

Turns everything around for good. And I’ve been on the end of that experience for probably about 15 years now. So, starting out, I’m an indigenous man from Australia, a Warramangu man ki Munywani, which means that a man comes up from the. You scrape away the skin, comes up from the red clay, and all men are the same. It’s a very important part of Aboriginal law in Australia. It’s the only. Our tribe, our people, the Waramangu, are the only people who speak that way and think that way. That all men are in Brani based on not the color of their skin, but the, you know, the content of the character of what’s underneath them.

That. That. That is the true level for measuring a man. And in Australia, in the Aboriginals, melanin is a recessive gene. So in the Africans, it’s a dominant gene. So that’s why you have a child with a white woman or a white man and it’s going to come out, you know, great coffee color or black. But in Australia, it breeds itself out. So the white Australia policy, one of those policies of the Australian government had then and does still have now, but in different nuances, is to breed the blackout. In Australia, Aboriginals weren’t recognized as human beings until 67.

1967. Yes, sir. We were not. Wow, that recent. We were recognized. Up until then, we were fauna and flora. We were given the right to vote soon after that. It wasn’t until about, I think it was 89 or 93 that we’re allowed to speak our language for the first time legally. They had to take it from the books. And. Can I ask. Can I ask a quick question? Is that. Is that descendant from Brit. From the British mentality? Yeah. So the British Australia Aboriginals never ceded the land. There’s this misconception that we were hunters and gatherers, wandering around harmlessly.

And nova, it’s. We went to war with the British colonies for 100 years, and we were fighting up until we were just overwhelmed. We were overpowered. When Australia was first invaded, there was 1.5 million aboriginals spread out around 230 very distinct nations that spoke 370 nations that spoke 230 dialects. So we weren’t an unpopulated land. And terra nullus is this land has nothing. And terra nullus was that proclamation used by the British over America as it was over Australia, declaring there was no one there, terra nullus, meaning there’s no law, there’s no culture, there’s no religion, there’s no legal structure, there’s no way to resolve disputes.

So the only way they were able to take Australia according to their own maritime law, was for the Pope to declare it terra nullis. So they turned up and they did that and they invaded. And the Aboriginal culture is very giving in terms of hospitality. So they arrived, and when they were still three days later, it was like, you know, what the hell are you guys still doing here? It’s like, it’s not. You’re being inhospitable. We’ve fed you, we’ve clothed you, we’ve given you access to our women, and you’re still here on our land. You need to just piss off back to wherever you are because this is our country.

Manu country. Very important. And when they didn’t Piss off. And we got pissed at them and we started spraying sprays and killing some of them and some of their livestock that we went to war. And so for a hundred years until technology, the war was what time, what time frame was that? I mean like time that the United states was established. 1700s. Okay, so it’s been 237 years of, of occupation of Australia. So. Not again, I don’t mean to interrupt you. Is, is that because. Is. Is that when Australia was kind of established as a penal colony or was that just on.

Is that. Was that okay, that was a penal. Everybody who came was either military, it was a police state. Australia still run like a police state. I know that sounds very extremist, right wing, a little bit, whatever, but it really is that the police force was the first to enter the military was all the laws are still militarily based. It was run as a police state. It’s still run as a police state. There’s really is. There’s no freedom of speech in Australia. There’s nothing close to a constitution or a bill of rights at all. It’s one.

So technically it’s still a penal colony. Yeah, pretty much. Wow. So Australia had a great period right in the middle, up until 95 when they took all the guns off, where they. There was a real sense of men being men, women being women, get about the good country, the lucky country, the great people. But that, that thing’s long dead, man. Like I haven’t been there for 20 years. I’ve been back to find my people the last two years and I’ve been horrified at the lack of freedom, the lack of freedom of speech. So when the pandemic happened and they decided they were going to do that in place like America, you still had a reasonable choice.

Or maybe it was just Texas, or maybe it’s just all my friends are ornery and they decided they weren’t going to get this vaccine in Australia. What they did is they came into Aboriginal communities. They didn’t do it anywhere else. But they came into the blackfellas, they rounded up our elders and injected them. They put them in concentration camps and injected them. And they weren’t even Australian nationals. They did it. They were blue hats. They were police forces from outside. So what’s tragic about that is the average life expectancy of a black fellow in Australia is about 50 years.

It’s the worst life expectancy of anywhere else in the world. But our elders, our old people, are the holders of our songs and our stories. Now in our culture, our songs and our stories are very special. They’re not just a performance or a dance. You can literally navigate from one side of Australia to the other side of Australia by following songs. Because the songs lead you from waterhole to waterhole. If you meet. If you were to come into my country, I would sing you a song about the dog and the turkey and the dog and the turkey would take you from a place where the dog and the turkey met.

And the dog and the turkey traveled side by the bush. Turkey traveled side by side. And then at one point the dog went on. And the dog story actually goes up to Russia and the turkey turned to the west. So where they start to come together from the fire, from the flying fox into the dog and the turkey story, that’s a water hole with a particular. You can get goanna there and a particular sort of lizard. And then as you travel this song line, if you know you gotta go from here, you follow up, you follow up.

You meet this tree, you go over this creek, you go to here and that’s what the song would be. And you go up there and you follow that. Then you come to another waterhole with more water and more food. I can take you from one part of Australia all the way to the other just by handing you off tribe to tribe to tribe. It’s the greater this, the greatest highway that is has a celestial map as well as a song and a visual map drawings. All those dot paintings that you see that have been just turned into commercial garbage are actually.

Well, they’re not actually. But what they are, they’re the, they’re the primary school of the kindergarten version of an. A university education. We would never show you. And I know this is down a rabbit hole here, but we would never talk to a non embry person or someone who has not been through ceremony and show you the real songs that actually detail these things. But those dot arts, they’re all, they’re all location. They’re all maps that go from one side to another with stories involved that can guide someone along that way. So Australia. Can I make an up.

Can I make an observation real quick? And you know, because, because as you’re talking and I don’t mean to sou. I don’t mean this to sound like. I don’t mean to sound this like, like you know, rude or anything, but when you’re, when you’re saying this literally, the picture that’s coming into my mind is Crocodile Dundee when the lady journalist comes down there to take up and, and. And Mick is actually sitting around the Aboriginal fire and taking pictures and he looks up and sees her because she wasn’t invited. That’s, that’s the, that’s the picture in my mind.

And again, I’m not trying to make it about that, but is, is, I mean, is, was that, is that kind of what you’re talking about? Yeah, there are like, even with men and women, so I, there’s a series of business which is just men’s business, and there’s a series of business which is just women’s business. And the two are never discussed. That there are, there’s roles and functions for both women and men. Now, the Imbrani story, or that the definition of the term means, which means the man rises up from the red dirt. And so our creation story is that the creator spat and the creator spat and the spits hit the dirt.

And then he made men come up out of the dirt and he took woman from the side of the men and placed them side by side and they walked across country. Country or Manu, they, they walked across it. And so what happens is when there comes a time of conflict and men in our, in our tribe are responsible for the law and our stories, and law and stories denote boundaries for land. So if there’s a boundary dispute or something, that’s got to be worked out politically, then the men step forward into battle mode. The women step are fine, they have counsel beforehand.

Then it’s a man’s job to step up. Women can’t talk to those issues. Then a man comes back and they sit side by side. If it’s other issues about familial relationships, relationships and structure within family or within a tribe, then the women do that and they talk to those issues, not the others. So when in that particular scene where the woman comes in to the thing, she shouldn’t have been there because, because that particular tribe, in that particular place was discussing certain things amongst the men that can only be discussed amongst the men. And having an un, someone who is the female, different gender and hasn’t been through ceremony, doesn’t understand what those things are.

So that there’s not a place or. Right. It’s not about being rude. It’s about being Lawrence. It’s about, it’s about law and custom and tradition. Okay, that’s, I mean, that’s, that’s fascinating. You know, I, I, I have to admit, I, I’m, I’m really not up on Australian history. You know, I, I know that, you know, I, I, I, you know, I guess the extent of my understanding of Australian history is it was a, it was a British penal colony that ul of, you know, a country and you know, you know, or so I thought got its independence from, from Britain.

But maybe that, maybe that’s not true. I, I know very little about, I know about the aborigines people, I mean and that is to say that I know of them but you know, I mean honestly the only, my only understanding of, of of Australia really comes from Hollywood or what I’ve seen in Hollywood and that’s about, that’s about the extent of it. I just don’t, I don’t, I’m, I’m very knowledgeable about it. Brother, brother. I’ve just given you more, more history than most Australians have, including Aboriginal Australians. There’s a name of a movie called Rabbit Proof Fence I’ll put in the chat and it’s a, it’s a very interesting, it’s a very well done movie about what the stolen generation is.

What was it called? Rabbit Proof Fence. I dropped it in the private chat there. Okay for you. So, so when I’m talking about the, the melanin, the skin. So by the third generation the black is bred out enough and the babies are born like I was blonde haired, brown eyed and they were taken and given to, to women adopted into white Australian families through churches or through government or to pass but on women which we believe was my case and, and then they’ll take it off into those families. So, so in my case the people that raised me also abused me sexually and trafficked me.

So that’s when it, you know, we take a second twist in and what’s interesting mate, like I found out I had recall of what happened to me as a kid with the abuse and the trafficking and then like two years later, like two, just two years ago I had recall of that back in 08. I’d suppress that then I had, I didn’t find out about my family and my connection with my family until just 18 months ago. So finding out about my, my surrounding stuff around my birth explained a lot of things to me because I could never understand that these, these people who call themselves mothers or fathers could do that sort of thing to a child.

Right? And so when, when I, when I found out about this it was like oh yeah, well that makes sense, you know, but, but anyway, so anyway, so this whole thing about coming down and the breeding, the blackout. So the Australia policy was, listen, we don’t want to understand these people. They’ve been here depending on how you read it, you know, 40,000 years. The. The oldest structures in the world aren’t in Egypt. They’re actually Australian. They’re in brani. Aboriginal. Like we’ve got fist traps and mechanisms and homes and buildings and stuff that predate every. Anything in any part of the world.

And so you’d be fascinated by some of those things because I know untold history is really what we’re delving in here. 100% untold history. There’s a. There’s a great documentary out of Australia. It’s a series of movies called the Hundred Year War which deals on the aboriginal wars. And total no.1, no one. Even in Australia, people aren’t interested in the aboriginal wars. But, but you know, with, you know, we. We don’t have the privilege that the American Indian had. And when I say privilege, I use it lightly. Our histories are very parallel in terms of the Trail of Tears.

My wife’s a Cherokee, so she’s a. She’s a red fellow and I’m a black fella. We got married in Dallas. So. So Mel’s. Mel’s from the eastern band, Cherokee. That’s her mob. And so the trailer tears is all the same. It’s colonial mindset. This colonial mindset, this, this sense of having to rule and conquest which comes after out of a Darwinian view of the world, which is a really interesting conversation to have around a Darwinian view and the other opposing view at the time about how things evolved. One was through cooperation, one was through domination. And I believe that the Darwinian view was accepted as domination because it supported the view at the time to be able to have conquest into the rest of the world.

Whereas cooperation, which is an abundance of proof that the bodily body actually cooperates cell cooperate that you are the sum total of the positive things in your life. You know, so where our whole all of creation is a cooperative environment. And that’s where Darwin struggled with it and he didn’t even agree with his own theory. But the other guy was just decanted. So it led into this dominion mindset that just led to the destruction of everything. The one benefit I see out of the transition that’s happened with the Native Americans has been the idea of sovereignty and sovereign nations.

So we don’t have anything like that in Australia. We’re not sovereign. We own the richest minerals in the world. But there’s a very active and very obvious destruction that happens amongst our people and we’ve got no way to address it because we’ve really got no place to call our own, even if we have rights to that country. The government can take it at any time and do whatever they want to it. Just recently, there were some artifacts, caves, some of the most beautiful cave drawings in the world, 45,000 years old. The oldest cave drawings known to mankind was blown up by Rio Tinto because they wanted to put a wharf there.

Now I get it. But you know what? They had a war five miles away. They just worked out it was cheaper for them to blow up our artifacts and our tribal land instead of paying for the extra 10 or 15 million dollars to extend what they wanted to do. So there’s this total lack of any appreciation of cultural people. And that’s. That’s different. See, when I look at that and I look at what has seen America amongst some of our African American brothers and sisters, I see this version of victimhood, which I find really stark and surprising.

You know, very rarely do you have a nation where you have an opportunity. Like, if you want to talk about dei, then, then, you know, one third of all people in the NFL should be named Juan, you know, or they should be white fellas. But we don’t have any of that stuff. We don’t want to talk about it. But the excellence that we see happen in sports, particularly amongst African American people, is phenomenal. It’s unheard of. It’s a phenomena. The fact that our universities for so many years were slated to Asians, Africans and minorities to be able to get ahead.

It was an incredible opportunity. But instead of being thankful for that, they want to bitch and moan, but they haven’t got anything. Like, they’re the only people in the world that have ever been oppressed, which is total bullshit. You come to Australia and you walk amongst them brawny people, and you will see. You will see a people that are living at the worst level of socioeconomic destitution compared to anything that’s living on the slums in India or the Philippines. That’s my people. That’s my family. You walk into their homes and it’s just. You walk into a Besser Block building in the middle of the outback, no water, no electricity, no air conditioning, no windows, 115 on the outside, 145 on the inside.

So you drag your mattresses outside to sleep under the stars because you want it to be cooler. And cool. Is 115at night, and we die because of our heart complications. We die. There’s no water. They’ll just cut water off in a community and tell you, well, you’ve got a card it. Okay, that’s great. But the card, it is 20 miles away and you don’t have a car. And if you’ve got a car, you don’t have money because the government determines on when you get the money from the royalties of your own land, which is the sugar bag mentality.

When, when the pastoralist would hang a hand out flour and sugar and meat to people once Thursday a month and they had to make it last. That’s exactly the same mentality that happens in Australia. Now I’m not saying there’s not a problem because there’s incredible abuse of drugs and alcohol, violence in families. It’s, it’s like with, within the Aboriginal community. Oh, it’s horrible, mate. 100%. 100% of people incarcerated in the Northern Territory is Aboriginal. Wow. 100%, mate. 100% of youth Aboriginal in adult prisons. It’s 97% now. Unbelievable. Now we got a problem here. And we look at this and we say, well there’s, there’s racism towards black.

Yeah, whatever, man. There’s blacks in black communities doing stupid stuff more often greater percentage wise than white people and end up in jail. Got it now. Got it. But that could be 60 or 70% to 30 of other races or 50% blacks. Okay. There’s a massive problem. We need to be looking at that socioeconomic development and that goes back to the CIA and all that sort of stuff. Well, yeah, how they just. I’ve actually talked about, I’ve actually talked about how the private prison community literally funded gangster rap music for the purpose of indoctrinating youth to glamorize criminal behavior, specifically for the purpose of, you know, you know, making these kids grow up believing that criminal behavior was cool and thus only increasing the likelihood that they were going to go to prison because they’re engaged in criminal behavior, I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s a never ending downward spiral cycle.

And you know, that along with the, you know, with the, with the Civil Rights act, which absolutely was probably in my opinion was one of the worst things to ever happen to the black community in terms of making them more, more codependent upon the state and, and then continuously voting in people that were going to further further that, that, that, that dependence. Now what you, what you’re saying is, is that that’s not, that wasn’t really an option in Australia because you guys didn’t even have the opportunity to vote. No, not, not until, you know, into the 70s.

So if I was to look at a community here and I was to see that our rates of incarceration I don’t know what they are of African Americans prisons 50, 60% or something I’m saying yeah like 70% or something like that. 70%. I look at that and I think there’s a social, there’s a problem so we’ve really got to be looking at doing something within our communities. Obviously not an issue except it when you have a look at the fact that there’s 100% of everybody in the Northern Territory in youth prisons as black man that that’s more that, that screams something much more than not only are there social and economic spiritual problems happening in those communities but there’s something underpinning the mindset of law enforcement that they will now in the year that the age of accountability as Australia is a 10 year old May ask for, may I ask for context what is the white population in the Northern Territory? Here’s contact for you.

So the Australian population is the size of Texas landmark in North America size of Texas. So it’s about 26 million people across that. Okay. The total population in Australia of aboriginals is 300,000. 3% of the population. 100% of everybody in prison is black. So you have. But what’s, what’s the white population in the Northern Territory? Let me look it up. I, I, I’m. Because, because if you said it’s in the, if you’re, if you’re talking specifically about the Northern Territory and are there any, are there what are the major cities in the Northern Territory? Oh there’s Darwin might and there’s Alice Springs.

Okay, I know Darwin Catherine. Yeah, fitting Darwin. Fittingly, fittingly named I guess. Yeah. I don’t know is that named after the same. Is it named after Charles? Probably might everyone’s name much Charles. Right. Forgive me for asking stupid questions. I genuinely, genuinely don’t know this thing is a stupid question. The only stupid questions are the ones we don’t ask. I believe so 60, 67,000 there’s so there’s, there’s 67, 000 white people in the Northern Territory. Yeah, 67. And how many and how. What’s the total population and what’s the percentage of Aboriginal. Oh man, I’d have to, I’d have.

I’m not. That’s okay. I, I, you know what, I’ll just, I’ll, I, I’ll just. As much as, as much as Ghost is gonna hate me for this, I’m gonna chat GPT it’s and some of the figures you’ll get off chat GPT probably will be they’re they’re, they may be skewed, but at least it’ll give me an idea. I think what you’re going to look at is probably 60 to 70% of the population is going to be non indigenous. Non indigenous is probably a better question because there’s a lot of immigrant stuff happening there, a lot of, lot of Africans coming in, islanders.

So let’s see what it says here, if it gives me anything. As of June 30, 2021, the Northern Territory of Australia has an estimated population of approximately 248,000. Approximately 76 are identified as Aboriginal, which is about 30% of the Northern Territory. The remaining 69% Australian, 22 English, 18, Australian Aboriginal, 12, Irish, 6.3 and Scottish, 5.1. Yeah, so I, those, those numbers probably aren’t exact, but at least it’s a, it’s a general idea. So if you round it up to say 30%. Right, 30%. So 30% of the population should not equal 100% of the prison population. Just like over here, 50 or 70% of the population when it’s only a 25% of the overall population, you’re looking at that and saying, look, we’ve got some work to do here.

And everyone’s comfortable with that. It’s a conversation that they’ve tried to have in Australia, but it’s slipped into the extremes either end, either at one end, very polarizing, saying, you know, what’s the problem? You guys just need to get over this. You know, it’s Australia now. This is how it is. And the other side is the ultimate wokeism, which tries to erase everything and pull down all the statues. And there’s no one, no one prepared to have the conversation that sits somewhere in the middle of, okay, this is the world we live in. I understand the issues and the areas of the past, but what your past will either refine you or define you.

And a lot of these people, who’s talking activism circles, they are defined by either generational wrongs that they’ve just decided to make their own. Even though they live in a country with incredible possibilities, they’ve just decided to drag those generational wrongs forward. And instead of allowing those issues to refine them for the future vision of what the nation could be. And I think we’ve seen a swift during this last election cycle where people have come out from both the Hispanic and the African American community saying, I’m more concerned about my future is. As opposed to what people are saying my past is.

Because what I’m starting to realize in my past is there’s a narrative that’s been operating back there that is designed to prohibit me from having a different future than what I could possibly have. Wow. I mean, you’re. This, this is, this is fascinating information. I have to, I have to say. Let’s kind of. I want to steer this a little bit back to kind of what you talked about because you said something earlier about, about being the victim of trafficking and, you know, kind of what I titled this today is trauma as a catalyst for Reinvention.

And actually that was basically, you know, you emailed me with, with that as a, as. As the context for today. So I’d like to. I’d like to, to kind of touch upon that. You know, I, I don’t want to like, dig into, into your past as much as you feel. As much as you feel comfortable sharing, but, you know, kind of take us from there to how you reinvented yourself a little bit. I. I don’t know if that. I think you understand what I’m trying to get at. And so I’m gonna let you just. I’m gonna let you just go.

Yeah, you’re being very polite, mate, and I appreciate that. You don’t have to be like, this is. This is my crap. Like, I live with this daily. But my doctorate’s in theology. But if people ask me what it’s in, I actually tell I’m turning into fertilizer. And I think that’s the biggest aspect of resilience, is that you. You can either allow it to be darn or useful, you know, And I think for me, there’s a couple of things that happen. And I talk. I mentioned it in my book, deal with it. There’s a quote that I start with.

It’s actually a quote from Deadpool. As the authority of all things. It says that house blowing up builds character. And if you understand that in your own life, if you understand these traumatic things happen to you, if you allow them to you, it’ll actually build character. It’ll grow out of these circumstances of suffering and actually make you into the person you’re supposed to be. I would never wish what happened to me in either of these stages of my life or to anybody else. But what I can say is I’m really comfortable with John 2.0 and John 1.0 went through these things and had recall of these events and complex post traumatic stress.

And after I came out of that recall, Johnageddon, as my internal marketing department branded it. After I came out of that, I came to John 2.0. And John 2.0 didn’t like anything that John 1.0 did and actually couldn’t do it because I’d gone from left brain to right brain. I’d gone from left brain, analytical, driven, purposeful, to right brain, bro. All I wanted to do was write poetry, smoke cigars, you know, and hug trees and stuff, be by myself. Totally different, man. I mean, it was a, it was a complete personality shift which really shook up the previous administration.

My first wife, she just couldn’t handle it, you know, And I understand that. I, I don’t understand it, but I do understand it, you know, and so, so when all of that came crumbling down, I had to rebuild out of that. And, and I think my old boxing coach, I remember talking to him one day. I was in a gym and I had a boxing gym. I was running it out of my church at the time. I had a church up here in Texas. And, and so he used to talk to me about it. He said, you know, when it comes down to it, in a fight, you cover up and you got a good air in, bad air out.

And coach would tell me that all the time. Good air in, bad air out. And we used to train in this brick building. We had an Olympic size ring and it used to be 125 in there. And there’s this kid that was going for the, like the Everlast middleweight champion. He used to work out in a gym down in Fort Worth and he heard of this old preacher, you know, at the time I was 40 something old preacher up in Keller that had this old boxing gym and he needed to tune up for his fight that was coming up the next week.

So he’s going to come up and he brought his entourage. Man, this guy comes in with a boombox and four or five people and in this old brick building. And here I am. And the coach looked at me and he said, listen, this is going to hurt. He said, this is going to hurt. This kid, he’s zoned up. He said, but this kid has been training in 72 degrees. This kid has been training in two. You’ve been training in 125. This kid has been training in 2 minute rounds. You’ve never trained less than a 3 minute round.

He said, it’s going to hurt. What I want you to do is cover up, tuck your chin. Good air in, bad air out, he said, and at the two minute mark, he’ll start to lag. And I’m going to tell you to go and you don’t Stop until one of you is on the ground. And that happened. And I beat the shit out of that kid who was probably 20 years younger than me at the time. And that’s the lesson that coach taught me. Steve Goen, he’s just turned 69 and he’s got a, like a 12 pack, absolutely ripped.

And coach taught me that. And that’s a lesson I’ve taken forward in my, in all my recovery, is that I’ve trained hard all my life to get here. And every day I train hard. Not for today’s battle, but for tomorrow’s battle. And I think that’s absolutely key when it comes to recovery, is you’ve got to draw a circle around yourself and say, I have to fight myself free. No one’s coming to rescue me. No one’s going to come and save me. No one can fix up my mindset. No one can take my past away. No one can guarantee my future.

I’ve got to take care of this. And I think that determination for reinvention, that determination for resilience and relentlessness is absolutely fundamental for anyone overcoming trauma and being able to go through a process of reinvention. That’s inspiring. Man, hearing you talk, it’s like, it makes me, it makes me want to get out and hit the gym twice as hard because, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m 55, I’ll be 56 this year. And I feel like I’m, you know, I feel like I’m, you know, just overweight, out of shape and I got to get my stuff together. And it’s like, man, listening to you, it’s like, I don’t have any excuses.

I have no excuses, you know, so for me, working out, for me, working out is very selfish. If I don’t work out, I’m really not a pleasant, I’m not a pleasant person to live with. I, I work out, not so much for. I work out for me because there’s always an aspect where I’m some eight or nine year old boy who is about to be violated and I never want that to happen again. That’s very much a part of it and that frames a lot of things in terms of my ability to interact with others or crowds, etc.

But there’s another aspect of it that I get up every morning and I go to the gym or I go to the gym at least every day. I fight four or five days a week. I do, I do it for Melissa, my wife, because it makes me a better person. It, it calms my, my sympathetic nervous system, it kicks in. My parasympathetic nervous system, fight and flight, rest and restore, it kicks that in for me, and it lets me cope with life better. So. So for me, the gym is. Medication is how I see it. And I can’t miss my medication.

If I take medication, I wouldn’t do that. I wouldn’t even think, you know, if you take heart pills or whatever, beta blockers or something, no one’s going to miss those. But, but yeah, we feel when it comes to physical exercise or taking care of this, this one body that we’ve been given, that we’ve somehow got it, we can skip on that obligation. Now. I’m not, I’m not hard on this thing, bro. Sometimes, you know, it. I don’t want to get up. I just really want to come to the shed, read my Bible, have coffee and smoke a cigar all day.

That’s exactly what I do. But it’s not going to be every day. I might give myself one day off a fortnight, two weeks, or one day off a week even to do that. But every other day, man, I’m dragging this butt down to the gym because I got it, brother. Well, if you don’t, you know, you know, one day turns into two, turns into four, turns into a week, turns into a month, turns into a. Six months, turns into a year, and then the next thing you know, you try to get back in and you’re. Oh, my God, it’s like, how did I, you know, I thought I could do this before, and it’s just, it’s exhausting.

And then, and that’s when, you know, when you restart, you know, when you’re picking yourself up, you know, by the bootstraps and you’re getting back into the gym and you’re just restarting. It’s hard, but, you know, again, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s that, that law of motion, whatever tends, whatever is in motion tends to stay in motion. And whatever isn’t, you know, basically stays, you know, out of it, you know. Yeah, so, so, wow, that’s. You have here a lot of the, you know, the. In terms of the lasting echoes of trauma. You talk about heart issues, ankle issues, blood clots, things of that nature.

And the, and not necessarily the cure for that, but the bio hacking, you know, to kind of, to kind of keep those things in check is what you’re talking about, is the exercise and whatnot. Yeah, so. So the whole thing about heart blood cotting and stuff like so I’ve been dealing with issues like that for probably seven years. I only came to understand it, believe it or not, going to a physical therapist six months ago. So my mate George, best physical therapist I have ever met. Now I’ve, I’ve fought 70 professional, I’ve played semi professional sports, I’ve been a martial artist my entire life.

So I’ve been beat up and needed to go to get rehab for a long, long time. Broken my back four times, blah, blah, blah. So, so George, So I walked into George and he said, man, your whole body’s twisted down like this. I said, yeah, yeah. He said, one shoulder’s down. Yeah, yeah. He seemed to be twisted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he started walking, working on my right ankle. And the ankle is connected to the shin bone, connected to the knee. You saying it, not me. He, he’s worked on my right and for the, and what happened is my whole body unscrewed.

And for the first time in my life, I took a deep breath. I’d never realized that I’d spent my whole life crunched like this as a child in fear. And then as an adult, I walked through life like this and I played all those sports, did all that fighting and stuff like that, still in fear. And when I, when I knew, it was the first deep breath I’ve ever taken because I felt it in the bottom of my lungs. And he said, your diaphragms like leather. So come forward. And then I have, I have a deep brain thrombosis issue.

I was one hour away from that passing into my brain and my heart and stroking out and dying. Doctor’s words, not mine. Then a heart arrhythmia thing again. A doctor said, you’re an hour away, you know, from having to go into a major, major situation with this stuff, AFIB thing. And so here I am thinking about this and I’m thinking, what the hell, man? Like, you know, my heart rate up to then has been sitting at 61, 62 beats, resting, and now it’s sitting at 120 to 140. It’s like, what’s this? Doesn’t make sense to me.

It doesn’t make sense to me at all. And so I’m thinking, every time you breathe through your nose, nitrous oxide hits your blood, thins your blood. So what if you spent 60 years not breathing deeply? What if you spent 60 years ago, your blood gets thick. Your blood naturally gets thick. Went to Los Alamos. I worked with Los Alamos National Laboratory, the guys that invented the bomb and stuff like that for a while, came from altitude to down, had a major incident, ended up in hospital again. Blood, thick blood clots, mesenteric, 36 hours away from bags and all sorts of horror.

That was never going to happen again. Thick blood. So I’m thinking this and I’m going, hang on. The reason I was like this is because of what happened to me as a kid. The reason I breathe shallow is what had happened to me as a kid. The reason I choke often, unfortunately, when I eat is because of what happened to me as a kid. Now I’m not explaining those things. I’m trying to understand those things. So when I realized that just breathing deep would thin my blood, and thinning my blood is going to reduce the possibility of a blood clot, reduce afib, reduce the possibility of something like a mesenteric issue again, it’s like, man, all this stuff’s related.

And we. We view other things as a system. My background is in systems agriculture. That was my first degree with systems agriculture. We view the world in systems, political systems, cultural, religious systems. But we don’t view our body as a system. We view our body, even our medical. Medical system is set up with these isolated specialists that very rarely talk to each other except at a place like Mayo, where they bring six people into the room to discuss your problem and come up with a plan. So what if we handled our emotional spiritual journeys in the same fashion and our physical journey as men when we go to the gym, or women when we go to the gym, and we start to understand that everything is connected and together.

Now, even back to your illustration of you, miss. One day, two days, four days, a week, a month. My reverse when I talk to people about it is, okay, well, then give yourself one day to start, two days to start, four days to start. Because you’ve got to give yourself the same amount of time to get into it as you got to get out of it. And what I’ve done in this whole process is I asked myself, because I don’t take. I don’t take narcotics. I can’t use like. Like an ambient or anything like that. Or a Valium.

Benzodiazepines. Yes, any of those. I can’t use any of those because they bring on hallucinations. And when I get in hallucinate state, what I do is I have recalls of what happened to me as a kid. I get replay the trauma, the abuse, the orgies and all that sort of stuff. So I don’t use thc. I don’t use anything like that because THC actually in. For some people with PTSD or cptsd, it’s not a bad thing. But there is a large percentage that if they use tsthc, it’s actually very negative. Brings on anxiety and paranoia at a huge.

Right now, if I’ve taken thc, you know, a vape or something. And I found by day three I was incredibly paranoid. I just couldn’t. I just couldn’t take it. You know, I can take a gummy every now and again, but it really doesn’t help me sleep, you know, I just, you know, whatever, man. Somebody, somebody in the chat is asking me what was the name of the documentary? Was it the Hundred Years War or. I think it’s called the Aboriginal War. Okay, the Aboriginal War. Let me have a look at it for you. I’ll see if I can find it.

Did you mean the Aboriginal War documentary? The Australian wars is a 2022 documentary series about the frontier wars between Australia and settlers. So it’s the Austrian. It’s the Australian Wars. It’s called the Australian Wars. Yeah, that’s it. Because there’s always been this thing that’s been discussed in Australia that we’ve never had a war on our own land. We’re one of the very few countries we’ve never had a civil war. We have a civil. We’ve had a civil war. We had a civil war that lasted 100 years and led to the. Could you imagine if the American Civil War went on for 100 years? The decimation.

Oh, my God. Well, was it. Was it the same type of. Was it the same, like, casualty rate? No, no, brother, no, no. So you’ve got Spear and Shield vs Musket. What you do is you get a whole bunch of people, you rape the children, you pick up the rape the women, you pick up their children by the ankles and smash their heads on rocks. Then every man that has already thrown his spear is now running for their life. So you get 30 or 40 horses and you push over 100 or 200 of them over the side of a cliff.

That’s what we’re talking. Wow. Or if you’re in Tasmania and you decide you want your land, you start at the bottom of Tasmania and you push everybody up to the top, north west corner, the entire nation. Every cow cock, he gets out and they push everybody up from the bottom to the top right hand and over a cliff. So there is zero. So there’s zero living members of Aboriginal families and tribes that lived in Tasmania. So we’re talking 1.5 million people nowadays. There’s only 300,000. So it’s not a war. It was a massacre. And so when you, when you.

You hear comments over here about not talk about repatriation. Okay, I get it. Like, I didn’t. I didn’t enslave anyone in America. I certainly don’t want to pay in A$50 for that. Get it? But there is an acknowledgment here about what. What slavery did as it needs to be. What slavery did and by the Arabs on. And why. How the Irish were slaves. Broader slaves, really. Indentured servants. Well, 100. You know, and I don’t mean to cut you off there, but yeah, I mean, you know, the Barbary Pirates were paid a. They. They were paid a fee by the European countries to not come in and raid their people.

And if they didn’t pay that fee, then the Barbary pirates, literally, they sailed all up, all the way up into, like, Iceland and, and Norway and all those countries up there. They would go in and they would steal people, bring. But put them onto the ship and bring them back to North Africa and sell them as slaves in North Africa to Africans. And then they were. And their condition, these are white people, and their conditions were very similar to that of the. Of the black people that were brought to the Americas. And, and in fact. And it’s sometimes even worse because what they were doing is they were put into rock quarries.

They weren’t working. They weren’t working cotton fields, they were working rock quarries. And, and in fact, that was one of the primary reasons that when the Europeans got strong enough, they went down and they went into Africa because they were pissed off at a lot of the things that. That the African continent did to the Europeans. Yeah, that’s not a justification. I’m just saying that that was, you know, it’s not. It’s not a justification, Ron. What it is is just two adults having a conversation. Right? No, I’m. I’m. I’m. I’m. I’m saying I’m agreeing with you, brother.

Right? I’m agreeing with you. I’m saying it’s two adults having a conversation about history. And if we want to have a conversation about history and slavery, well, let’s have a conversation, like a real conversation and understand it’s part of the despot nature of sinful man that wants to inflict pain and cruelty on someone else who’s weaker than them. That’s really the conversation. So let’s. Because they don’t and it’s work they don’t. Because it’s work that they don’t want to do themselves. And so they’re going to bring somebody else in to do the labor that they don’t want to have to engage in or pay somebody to do.

You made an interesting statement there. You said it’s work they don’t want to do themselves. Now, as a phrase, powerful within that context, but I think it’s a com. That’s a, that’s a phrase that can be used in any adult conversation in the world today. Most people want to come and just disagree with someone like yourself just out of the ignorance that they’ve taken and fed. Because someone else do the work, they’re not prepared to do the work themselves. By listening, by reading, by studying to, by expanding their mind and understanding the nature of the world they’re in, they don’t want to do the work themselves.

And be it on the issue of slavery, or be it on the issue of repatriations, or be it on the issue of the climate or the environment, be it on any issue, they’re not prepared to. The Umbrani way of saying it is sit on the ground. They’re not prepared to sit on the ground and be a student. Everyone wants to stand up and be an elder and I don’t care, mate, some 30 year old millennial kid knows shit. You know, they don’t know any. They haven’t lived long enough. And I don’t care who they are, they just haven’t lived long enough, had enough tragedy to speak with any authority because I know at 30 I wasn’t.

I’m telling you straight up, mate, this mob are a hell of a lot dumber than we were growing up. And I just, you know, Gen X, mate, you don’t give a shit. We don’t give a fuck. We stopped doing that a long time ago. And we’ve got this mob running around like they know stuff. And it’s just if they’d have the humility to sit on the ground and listen to elders and we don’t have that in Western society or culture. No, we really don’t. And, and, and, and to piggyback on that and not to cut you off, but to piggyback on that.

Literally what they’ve been, what we have is we have a society that has been essentially told that what they need to do is go to college so that they can get a good job and jobs that don’t even exist, but go to college and get a good job. And meanwhile, what you’re going to do is we’re going to loan you thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it. So, so they, they’re stupid enough to go, to go to school with money they don’t have to get into and to have essentially a mortgage on a house that’s worthless and be.

And be in debt, be slaves to that debt forever that they can’t get rid of because the government has told them that they can’t bank, they can’t bankrupt it away. And then they’ve been in and they’ve been indoctrinated with this mentality that they’re smarter than everybody because they actually have a degree. And, and so, I mean, it’s just, it’s. It’s like. It’s like one step over the other and it’s just descending into hell. That. And, and they have no idea how to get out. But yet they think they’re super smart because they went to college. They have no life experience, no experience in talking to somebody like yourself, no experience in actually experiencing anything in life other than, you know, getting, you know, completing school, which I will admit is, Is a.

Is a feat into its in. Of itself, but that’s the only thing they’ve done. And they’ve been bred to be slaves, and they don’t recognize it. Yeah. So in my, in my culture, in the Waramungu, initiation or ceremony happens at 10 years of age. And there’s some things that happen in ceremony I can’t discuss. But just let’s say that’s the time in our culture where we recognize that a boy is old enough to start taking a place as a young man under tutelage to grow up. So I’m 62. When I was 61 and I connected with my family and I had to go into ceremony.

So I’m 62. My resume is impressive. I’ve started, and I say this with humility, genuine humility. I, I understand. I’ve got an impressive. I’ve started businesses, I’ve traveled the world. I’ve been to 37 different companies, whatever. I’ve done all this stuff. And here I am in the outback with a bunch of people that don’t have a college degree. Amongst them, most have never even got through high school. In fact, all of my family, very few of them, except one, went through high school. None of that. But these people have wisdom that goes back tens of thousands of years.

There’s two ways to approach that. I either come in with my European or my white background, come in and wanted to help these poor black fellows overcome or I come and I learned to sit on the ground. And one thing I learned in all humility was that the only. And I just knew this coming into this I just, I longed to connect with Manu, with country. I longed I’d never had a family. And I go from orphan to having a tribe bro, that’s a story, that’s a head trip. And I understood that the only way that I could find my place in my tribe was to start as a 10 year old boy.

I had to go through the same rights of learning. I had to sit and listen. The, the decision to sit and listen from someone who knows a series of things that are totally different to you and not try and impose your point of view, but understand that here is an opportunity. First of all you’ve got to value who they are as people. Then you’ve got to value the wisdom that they have, value their stories, value their history, value their spirituality, value that. Now when they can’t read and write English, okay, but they might speak four under languages, when they can’t tell you what the latest political and economic things are in the world is, but they can tell you how to follow the stars from one end of the world to the other.

All these things, you’ve got to see those things as valuable and situation. And when we’ve got a generation of people that are being raised to think that they are the pinnacle that, that, that going to universe, doing whatever, that’s the pinnacle and the greatest thing they can have is the latest iPhone. It’s, it’s just as you said, mate, great word. It’s slavery. It’s indoctrination. It’s. It stops them and they stop having the ability to learn and appreciate and to love and to hear and to listen and to see and you take those things away to an audience that’s being consumed by what’s shoved into them as opposed to what they’re experiencing and it’s just, it’s, it’s ready player one, right 100.

You know, it’s interesting when you, when you were talking about, you know, as a, as a 61 year old or whatever the age it was that you went down and you know, you were, you were going to ceremony and you had, it was, it reminded me of a, of kind of a military story of this World war. He was a World War II fighter ace, his name was Robin Olds and he was like a 43 year old guy who was a fighter. He was an ace in World War II. And he is, he wants to go fight in air combat in Vietnam.

And he didn’t know what the heck to do. He, he’d flown piston, you know, P51 Mustangs in, in World War II, but he’d never flown fighter jets in, in Vietnam. And so what he does is he goes to, he goes to Vietnam and he sits down there with all these guys that are flying the F4 Phantom. And he doesn’t pretend that he knows yes, how to fight. He listens to the guys that are there that are flying the F4. Now once he incorporates the skills of learning how to fly the F4, then at that point he has the ability to now in injecting his wisdom and knowledge, the things that he’s learned because now he can meld that with the knowledge that he’s got from these guys on how to use the, the modern aircraft and now he can actually teach them something.

But that, but he had to go through that learning process like what you were talking about. You can’t without that learning process of learning your, your actual current surroundings to meld them with your old surroundings. You can’t do that. That’s very good, brother. Very, very good. And I, I found that with my, my family, we’re at a stage now building relationships and trust. Happens over time where they’re coming and they’re saying Joy, which is my skin name, Joy. What do we do about this? Have you got a thought? And here I am as a 10 year old boy now being asked by my elders to give them input on some things.

And it’s, and because I think it started with humility and I’m not like Moses, you know, who wrote of himself, he was the most humble man God knew. But it’s like you understand that when you walk in a place of humility. And now it’s very humbling to me that my brothers and my family who are so wise in so many areas are asking me for some input on some things. And that cycle is a beautiful cycle, that perpetual commitment to learning is a beautiful thing. I, I have a couple people that are asking me, they want me to kind of go back and touch upon you.

You’d mentioned that if you take any sort of like medications that, you know, any benzodiazepines or things of that nature, how they, how they cause you to have hallucinations and kind of take you back to a time that’s very difficult for you. What are your thoughts on some of the like for, for the treatment of ptsd for a lot of these Guys that have, that have been on, you know, that have been to combat or other things because there’s pt. PTSD can take on, you know, can be attributed to a number of different things. Not just, you know, being the victim of abuse, but, you know, being in victim of combat or, you know, you know, being subject to combat or, or, you know, an automobile accident or, you know, having your house burned down when you’re three years old and your.

All your families die. I mean, it could be a number of different. Any trauma? Yeah, right. Any, any, any sort of trauma? What, outside of, outside of some of the biohacking stuff that you talk about. What, what are, are there any medicinal things? Because I, I know there’s a lot of people who talk about going down and doing. I forget what the name is, but it’s high oscamine or, or, or, or it’s things, things of that nature. Peyote. Yeah. So. So I asked him, well, how are you pronouncing in peyote? The things that. I haven’t taken those, the things I’ve learned about those is you have to do them in a very controlled environment with someone who knows what they’re doing.

Mushrooms are groovy. I didn’t see unicorns fart rainbows. But if you, if you might, if you microdose mushrooms, and I’m talking a very small amount in a tincture or a tea, it helps reconnect the neural pathways and re. Establish them. So what One of the aspects that trauma does. So ptsd, Post traumatic stress disorder or syndrome or just pd. Post traumatic stress. So after my trauma, I have a stressful period. If it disappears, then it’s not pts, it’s just trauma that happens after an accident. Post traumatic stress disorder, disease, whatever you want to call it up there.

So I’ve got this prolonged thing that happens after six months. What happens is in neural pathways that were, say, meant to be straight, it’s like they take a bend and a knot appears here. And human growth hormone is probably one of the best things I’ve ever taken for ptsd. It brought me from being a total lock in to being able to operate as a human being. Because what it did is force my body back to its original DNA point and retrace my brain. Mushrooms has a similar thing. Mushrooms have the ability. They talk about altering consciousness and stuff like that.

Yeah, whatever. I’m not, you know, unicorns and fighting butterflies might be fun, but I’m not. That’s not what I’m after. What I’m after is being able to regain some of my cognitive functions. And they’ve proven in a series of studies in the UK and they’re doing some in Seattle. There was a mob going through the va. If you’ve got any friends down in Dallas at the moment, the VA and I think Baylor were doing some studies on psilocybin and the mushrooms as, as an alternative. I think mushrooms are probably our closest outlier in terms of having a profound impact on people with, with pds.

Yeah. So, you know, with my. My PDS is not military based. It’s all trauma from childhood. And I’ve met some mates, I mean war fighters, mate, they’ve been in the sound for 20 or 30 years. And that will say to me, man, I would never change my past for your past. And it’s like, I don’t want to either, man. I never want your past or your experience. And we came to a place when dealing with veterans and police, we understand that our shoes are different, but our walk is the same. Right. And I think once you start to understand that, that our walk is the same, then we start to become a body of people again that can learn from each other.

And I think in the, in the, the abuse or trafficking space or in the police or the veterans space, they come, come become very isolated because, well, you don’t understand what I’m going through. Yeah, I don’t, but I do. Right. Like if you haven’t been raped in the ass with a plastic soldier because you didn’t clean up your room, you probably can’t relate to me as what you’re saying. But if you’ve had to fight with your life after you run out of ammunition with a knife that you took off the guy that was trying to kill you and you had to stab him and you lost his shit and you stabbed him 40 times and you covered in his blood, not your blood, and you walked, it’s gonna have an impact on you.

I will never understand that. But what I can say to you, brother, is if we step out, if we understand our shoes, we step out of them, then we can walk together. I wanna learn off you. Give me an opportunity. Yep. Let me address a couple things in the chat here. Somebody says, you know, how long would microdosing happen if it’s only trauma, trauma cases. And I’m saying that, that, that’s actually probably gonna be for a medical professional to decide, all going to be based on your body weight is. I mean there’s a lot, There’s a number of different factors that are going to probably be included in that.

And you cannot buy human growth hormone over the counter. You need to get a prescription for that. Yeah. And it’s ridiculous. It’s extraordinarily expensive. Blue Cross Blue Shield. At one stage, I was getting mine for $200 a month, and then it went up to $6,000 a month. You can get some stuff, Roatan, you can get it very cheap. You can get three months supply. Any drug you can bring into the US you get it three months. The problem with Mexico is you don’t know if you’re getting distilled water in what you’re getting down there. You can get stuff out of Canada with the pins.

And I’m hoping with this new administration that that RFK might deal with some of this stuff because it should cost two or three hundred bucks for a month’s supply. It should not cost $6,000 because of the market. Well, I don’t think the $6,000. I don’t think that $6,000 price is coming from the market. I think that’s coming from the pharmaceutical companies that are recognizing. They’re recognizing, oh, hey, there’s a bigger market here than we anticipated. So we’re going to escalate the price so that we can, you know. You know. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And it’s only there you’re paying $2,000 a month, $3,000 a month in health care at that point to be able to get any sort of reasonable part.

So you can’t get healthcare. The mushroom stuff, I did it on the right. I did that when I did that, I did it under advisement of someone who had had experience and coaching me and they had a medical background. So that’s the only way, to your point, and thank you for being wise, is that’s the only way to do anything like that. Because if you take these things, if you don’t take the right mushroom, you’re dead. If you take the wrong mushroom, if you take a mushroom that’s even dried or been too dried for too long, it’s not going to have an impact.

And the best way to do psilocybin, you can go to Washington state and do a study in a clinic there with a doctor with all the facilities, and they will take you through a series at much higher doses than I did. Having like a gram in a cup of tea. And we had this gram. It’s a tiny amount, man. As a tincture, absolutely. It’s like a fraction of a stalk with a fraction of a head ground up with a little bit of Lemon juice, because it magnifies it, you know, and even that, like, they told me, you’re going to give you a small amount, you’re going to magnify it with lemon juice, because that’s going to magnify the impact, but not the drug load on the system.

So, okay, we’re only going to get that from a professional. Same with peyote and some of those other things. You want to be doing it in a controlled environment where you say in case. In case you have recall. Like, I mean, I’ve had recall just on thc, man. I went to the doctor, told him straight up, I’m not good. You need to just like, I had to have a. I ripped the bicep and I needed sewn back, so I had to go in for a major operation, and they were told I couldn’t have a narcotic. And when I came out of this narcotic, I was in, I was fully immersed in a recall of being raped as a child.

I was belligerent and violent. They had to go and grab my wife and bring her in there. They were warned that I had a problem. So even in things like that, like standard medication, you can get yourself in a problem if you’re not advocating for yourself. And you’ve got to be careful, because then it doesn’t only impact you, it impacts those people around you. Yeah, it’s Matt, man. You. You have an extraordinarily powerful, powerful story. You know, I. I have a very. A very good friend who is. He heads up the. The Grunt Style Foundation. You know, I’m sure you’ve seen these shirts around.

Yeah, yeah. So. So that’s. That’s Grunt Style, and they have a foundation that works with guys that are, you know, the suffering from ptsd got guys that have been, you know, in. In combat zones where they were dealing with, you know, all the toxins put in the air by the burn pits and things of that nature that, you know, and these guys are extraordinarily toxic and. And whatnot. So, I mean, you have a powerful story that I’m sure would be that, you know, it could cross many lines. Kind of like what you talked about. Trauma is trauma is trauma.

You may not, like you said, you may not be able to understand the, you know, what you went through. Just like you can’t understand what somebody in a combat zone went through, but yet you’re both dealing with something that, while not identical, is congruent. Yeah, that’s. And that’s a great way to put it. A lot of my mates have been those war fighters. And you know, it’s a privilege to know those people. But here’s an interesting fact for you, and I don’t have a stat on it because I don’t have a big enough pool. Just anecdotally I can tell you that some of the most elite war fighters, and I’m talking a large percentage, I’d comfortably say 50%, I’m thinking it’s more like 80.

Those men have got PTSD that actually runs back to their childhood. And because they were abused or grew up in an abusive background, they said, you will never fuck with me or mine again. I’m going to go and harden up. And they went into these situations. The challenge they have is that when it comes to dealing with pds, you can’t get good fruit off a bad tree. When you come home and you’re talking about what happened in battle or what you saw or what you did or you didn’t do, because there’s PDFs around what I didn’t do, how I didn’t intervene and I didn’t save my mates or I didn’t save that civilian, there’s a lot of that there as well.

And they can’t, they try to unpack that. But for them to talk about childhood abuse or sexual abuse, it’s a pre existing condition and they lose their VA benefits. So you’ve got. And this one guy, man, this guy was wetwork, black ops, CIA, nsa, Vietnam. One of the sweetest guys, meanest, sweetest people in the world, as a lot of these guys are, and spent 20 or 30 years in torture until he picked up a poetry book of mine and his wife heard him howling in the attic reading that book. And it was for the first time in his life he told her he’d been abused.

And we had Thanksgiving and I still, I still cry about this guy. Just wept on me for about an hour when he told me for the first time in her life what he went through as a kid. And the reason, the reason he could not recover as an adult is because he never was able to unpack what happened to him as a kid. And it was just like this thing. He’d go and be able to talk about what happened at war, but could never talk about the fact that his baseball coach, who was also the mayor in the fucking town, sodomized him for two years and he couldn’t tell anyone.

And when he did, he and his family were kicked out of town because they made a, brought an accusation, went to the police Chief who was also involved in the elite pedophile network and kicked his whole family out of. So this guy’s gone through his entire life and he met me in his, in his 70s, late 70s, and all I know is he’s had, he’s had probably the best three or four years of his life. I just, I just wish that someone would have was there to hear him 20 years ago and that man’s life would have been different.

And I just, that’s, I think that’s what I’m. That’s what, that’s my. All things for good is if I can find a particularly another man. Because what they won’t tell you, they’ll tell you that one in six men are sexually abused. It’s not true. It’s one in two to one in three. Like if you talk about people who are trafficked, man, it’s about 55 of trafficking victims in America. I mean you get into the stands, Pakistan, Afghanistan, it’s like 90, 95. That’s how you get ISIS, right? That’s, that’s how you get any of that stuff, mate.

You start sodomizing these kids at 11 and you start breaking down their souls. I was working with some, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s very interesting that you say that because, you know, I, I was. Somebody shared with me recently a. It was a really, really lengthy interview is about a. It was about a seven and a half hour long interview with this gal named Kay Griggs and her husband. It was. The interview was done in 1998 and her husband was a Marine Corps intelligence officer and she found his diary one day and she goes on. And the reason that she came out was because his first wife, he basically beat her to death and talks about how she was that, that when you.

The, the military intelligence officers in many respects, not, not the enlisted guys, but the officers especially at the extreme high levels, how they’ve been put into this world of sexual deviancy deliberately because they don’t want to talk about it and they don’t want to be exposed. So all the secrets and things that they have, they keep inside because they know they’re not going to talk because if they do talk, then they’re going to be exposed. And that is one way that the, that the intelligence system in the. Within the United States specifically, but I’m sure that it, it goes across all over the world.

How the, how the intelligence call it the branch of the government or the military, whatever, how they are all at the extreme high levels are all involved in this. And, you know, she, she, she came out because she wanted to be, you know, she wanted to be safe too, because she felt like if her story was told and it was in the public domain that, you know, if, if something ever happened to her, then it would only reinforce the things that she was saying. So that was done for her protection. But a lot of the things that she talks about are things that you’ve talked about.

And man, that’s, that, that, that’s actually really. To me, to me, that’s powerful because the, the people. And, and, and what you said is that these guys are drawn in from an extraordinarily young age. Yeah. They brought into this specifically with the idea that they’re going to be in the future. These leaders that are, number one, they’re poor. Number two, they’re, they’re insecure. Number three, and the reason they know, so they know that they’re going to stay in the military because they’re, they’re, they’re coming from a poor background, so they know they’re going to stay in because that’s their only sense of security.

And, and, and they’re also impressionable. So all these things, you know, they factor in to, to. I’m sure they factor into the things that you’re talking about. And I know we’re kind of coming up on the. Not yet. Yeah, it’s your call. Yeah. Look, we were involved in the, our nonprofit was involved in the. Some of the guys I ran with in the back end of the Epstein stuff, and we were involved in the work that helped put NYGAR away. And NYGA was the guy who took over from, from Epstein. So. And, and the flight logs of Epstein and.

And Niger are examples of that. These elite people. And we knew about the ditties and we knew about the basketball people and the boxing people and the actresses and acts. We knew about that for years and no one wanted to listen to us because, you know, apparently people in Hollywood don’t do those sorts of things. We’ll come to find out five or six years later, you know, years of death threats and devices planted on cars and all sorts of things like that. This stuff is coming out and, and it’s, it’s the same thing. Epstein, Niagara Video, blackmail.

And they get in a cycle of. And what we saw, what we noticed with the, the testimonies we took from Niger, so he had 125 women working for him to recruit girls because he needed four or five virgins a day that he would violate. And this whole thing that Epstein only had this 250 victims. Bro, that’s, that’s not, that’s not true. Like the number. No, I know that it’s in the thousands. Oh, I would say maybe even the hundreds of thousands, if not, if not tens, if not, if not hundreds. I think, I think what they were, I think, I think what she was referring to is the amount of people that they probably have on as, as witnesses.

So it’s. Yeah, it’s not necessarily. That’s, that was the restriction on, on, on the, the victim limit. That’s just how many people they have that are ready to like, talk about it. Talk. Well, you do the numbers on Niger, you know, four to five a day. You know, it was just horrendous. So, and, and that’s how they operate and they do that and it gets this. So we’re seeing it come out now with these world leaders and accusations around the, the guys in Canada and the guys in, in, in England and the guys in France and the, and, and the Arab Aram.

It’s all these countries make this, this class. And very few people, very few people want to talk about, about Trudeau and what he was involved with over in British Columbia and the, and the, and the print and, and the Queen and how they, how like what, like what, what was it, 10 or 15 kids went missing one day, vanished out of thin air. Boom. The day the Queen showed up. Yep. And so, you know, you’ve got Haiti, we’re finally finding. We’re finally hearing the truth about Haiti. I was talking with a doctor that was involved down there and there’s one particular thing he went into.

I’ve written a book actually. I’m just releasing a novel and a good friend of mine and friend of yours Ghost knows about it. Where I’ve taken my story and the work we did and we’re fictionalizing it, we’re putting it out there and I’ve got a story and I’ve got one of the stories in this novel or based on true events of this doctor. He was down in Haiti and they had like this aircraft hangar. It was like a double wide and it was stacked with beds too high lining both sides and down the middle of these kids just on IVs and they were just harvesting body parts, keeping them alive.

So if you’re in Israel or China or America or Russia and you needed a part based on a blood very similar to what the Chinese have run out of some of their concentration camps. Right. And this stuff is all established and real people have been talking about this for years, but no one had the political clout to do anything about it. And if you are, you know, eyes are a big thing. You know, there’s a lot of people in different parts of the world that like blue eyes. So they can pull blue eyes. Instead of having contact lenses, you’ve now got blue eyes.

And he can ring up and say, I’ve got this blood type, I need this organ. And they will literally say arrange they flew into Haiti. Organ, organ, cut out and transported to America or they come in for an operation. And so that stuff’s been going on for years. I think it’s 95% of the money in Haiti disappeared. 5% hit the people on the ground. I think the government’s now saying it’s 6%. We thought it was as little as 5% actually went to the care of the people. And we know with nyga, he was buying people off a boat that left Haiti, came by the Bahamas and they would just choose who they wanted and bring them inside.

That’s man, you’re talking about some, some really, really deep, deep dark stuff. You know what, why don’t let’s. Let’s do this because we’re about an hour and 15 and I kind of wanted to keep this right about a 90 minute mark and I know Ghost is here. I’d love to have you back to talk even more about this because I’m sure that we could probably talk about this. We could probably do a hundred shows of this type talking about, talking about this sort of thing. But. But before we do that, plug plug your book real quick and how people can find it.

So. So Deal with It’s a memoir. And probably one of the most powerful things about Deal with it is my wife, at the end of each chapter she writes a part and she talks about how we dealt with it as a couple. And that’s very important with, with PDS is the power of a partner. Having someone who will see past your trash and love your treasure and love you to wholeness. The power of the partner is probably the single most important thing in my recovery. And we talk about it in there extensively. And look for your people if they go to drjohnaking.com shop, I think it is when they.

Then when they. Either on the. On the hardcover, on the book or on the ebook, we’ve got that there as well. If they put in podcast, it’ll give them a 20% discount and that covers the shipping. We don’t sell it through Amazon because Amazon’s a rot. It takes 45% of your money and all our money. So we run a nonprofit, give them a voice that deals with anti trafficking and trauma recovery. So anything we make off our books goes straight to. We just. What we do is we buy more books to give away. And we’ve shipped boxes of books around to military installations and bases around the world.

Motorcycle clubs for veterans, any house that wants it for recovery, we try and get them what they need. So if anyone buys a book, makes it. I have a question, I have a question here from a general I’m going to get back to. I’ve got somebody from Finland and he says John has sisu tattooed on his forearm. Absolutely based respect from Finland. So I, I think he’s one movie ever so white knuckled courage, unimaginable determination in the face of impossible odds. For me the closest version is resilience and relentlessness. And that sums up my. The only two things that got me to where I am today.

Statistically I should have been dead with actually borderline personality disorder at 37. My lifespan even just with PTSD is probably 50s or 60s. And sue is the only thing. Every day I would get up and I would grab it day by the balls, mate, and I would squeeze it till it gave in. And that’s the only thing that got me through. So I’ve got very little time for victim mentality. And with the people I coach, I get them to start with the book and read that because if they’re not going to get on with me in here, they’re certainly not going to get on with me in here.

And I don’t say that without mercy or grace or compassion. I just know that I can’t give myself a quarter. I can’t give myself a day off and if I do I’ll be absolutely miserable and full of self pity. But then tomorrow I won’t be because I can’t afford to. So it’s the sue brother. Love you. It’s, you know, it’s, you know earlier we, I talked about a good friend of mine who you know, you know I love her to death but I do believe that she is wrapped up with, with a victimhood mentality and it’s extreme.

It’s very difficult to reach her. So it’s very, very difficult. It’s, you know, I mean, and the love I have for her is, you know, I mean it’s beyond measure. So. But anyway, let’s, let’s, let’s bring, let’s, let’s bring a somebody that we both know in he’s kind of just sitting here waiting, not. Oh, it’s him. It is him. Oh, my God. Yeah. Let me see. How do I do this? What did I do? Here, hold on. Let me hide this and do. Come on. That’s the Ghost effect, mate. If you bring him on, he makes everybody else disappear.

Oh, I gotta add him to stage. That’s why I screwed that up. I screwed that pooch. But that. But, but Ghost has been in the. In the. And he’s been lurking behind the scenes listening to us. How you doing there, brother? I’m doing fine. Listen to both of you. John, Love you, brother. Hello, Mike. Fantastic. Love you, bro. Fantastic. I mean, thank you, friend. You. You have a way with explaining all of this. Excuse me. That I. You’re not going to hear anybody else out there like, like John. No, I agree. When it comes to this kind of thing, and what I love about it is it’s cut the out in your face, do you want to get better or not? And you know, God does things in amazing ways.

Because when John and I first met, you know, one of the stories I related to him was that patient X for PTSD was my closest friend until he died of a heart attack following Katrina. He had gone from living in a van to running for city council. And it’s because, John, I. I didn’t know you then, but that was my attitude towards it, you know, it was like, no, it’s time for you to get up off your ass. You’re a brilliant man. You’re a gifted writer. Let’s go over to VA. Let’s get. And he got 380 something thousand in back pay, got himself a used Cadillac and a modest apartment and got to work doing what should have been doing.

Got to work. Yeah, yeah. Got to work. And yeah, it was a matter of, you know, you’re better than this. You’re not a victim. And if this guy was a fighter just like you, John, just like myself and we. We all came to the point in our lives, some with the help of others, some we just said, if I’m gonna, you know, live like this, I’m setting other people on fire and expecting them to burn. That’s stupid. I’m not wasting the energy. I’m gonna fix me. And then you go about. It’s a painful process. It takes time.

But you’ve got to do what. What John is saying. Push through it every day, no matter what. You know, if it’s not of today or. Or what tomorrow is envisioned as, remember it. If it has utility, if it doesn’t. It let it stay there. Yeah. And, you know, this is. I pray that I recommend his book. I. I pray that I’ve done John enough. I pray that I’ve done well, you know, for John that I was able to present this portion of his story with you did. You guys both did a fantastic job, and I hope the audience appreciates it because I sure as hell did listening to you guys.

Let me tell you the first time, my version of that story. Where are some other people? We’re both. We were both about two or three whiskeys too much into it, and we spent an evening. We’ve spent the day circling each other, going, who the is this guy? We spent the day. But then we got upstairs and we’re having a cigar and we’re having more whiskey. We end up in a corner, arm in arm, crying at each other. And I went home that night, my wife. Guy said, I don’t. I don’t know what he said. Said, I don’t know what I said, but I just love that guy, man.

Yeah, man, he’s been a great mate ever since. Yeah. Yeah, man, I. John, you’re going to be there till the end of my days, and that’s all there is to it. And I love you, big guy. Well, you know, I, I need to connect you with. With a few other people because I think that, you know, you’re. I think that, you know, I have some connections that could probably benefit, you know, mutual parties, and I would love to continue doing things with you because, man, I, I tell you what, you, You’ve inspired me. Told you it’s going to take a few more than just one shows.

It’s gonna take a few. Yeah. So. Really? Yeah. And I mean. I mean that sincerely just listening to your story and, you know, I think. I think the, the advantage that you bring is, is that you have moved. You’ve. You. It, it’s. It shows that you have physically and. And. And mentally moved past the, the trauma. Not that you still don’t have, you know, bouts that you have to struggle with, but you have moved. You’ve moved beyond that to such a point where you now can actually benefit and help other people in their struggle. And I, you know, that’s, that’s, that’s.

That’s. Thanks for that. Great place to be. I was watching a documentary once on. No, no, no. I was gonna say what you, what you said about Melissa. If I hadn’t found my one. If I hadn’t found my. My Melissa, I wouldn’t be doing this right now. I wouldn’t be here right now because when I first met her for that first year, there were things that only she and I will know about, but that she just had an intuitive way of saying, okay, I may not understand this suffering, but I, I do know how to ease it.

And she did. She had all the right words. And then it was knowing for the first time you knew you could trust someone with your life and your soul and everything you had. And I, I didn’t have that at before. I was always in a state of hyper vigilance or you know, always saying, okay, what’s gonna, what’s gonna happen next? Wasn’t that I was negative, just that you were stuck in those modes. And you know that that was, that’s. That’s an important part of it. Not to say that you can’t beat it without that. You can, but that makes it all the much better.

If someone, if there’s someone circular circling your life, if you’re in the audience and, and you know that there’s something special there, well, nothing ventured, nothing gained. So don’t be afraid to come out of it, you know, even though you know you are broken at the time, don’t be afraid to come out of it and supersede that brokenness because you’re going to find that God just gave you something else to help you heal. So I’d love to have Melissa on a show sometime, Ron. Oh yeah, she is great. Like she’s a lot. She’s a lot nicer than me.

A lot smarter too. But then most people look nice. Probably prettier too. I’m telling you, she’s a business brother. But which, what Ghost was saying like, well, this is my soft place to land, you know, my true north. That all sounds very, you know, to some people. They might think that’s chintzy or bit sappy, but it’s just true. Like if, if, if I get turned around, she’ll tell me she will. And I can trust her. Like Ghost said, I can trust her that she can tell me that what I’m experiencing is either paranoia or reality. Because at one stage in my life, what Ghost was alluding to is you don’t know what’s real.

You’re trying your best to. And that’s why people who go through this often withdraw for long periods of time is because they get so out of balance. They know they’re out of balance, but there’s no way to get up and find that spot again. They can’t find that door back into dealing with the rest of the world. And if you, if you can establish that relationship and you have to be teachable enough to be open with it, which is a whole other cycle Ghost was alluding to is they can say, no, no, you don’t have to be worried now.

We’re just at home and you know, there’s things and we’ll unpack and I mean there was times where I just lost my crap at home because I thought they were coming to get me and I was an 11 year old boy and I didn’t know there were difference between what I was feeling and what I was seeing because a lot of these images were there for many, many years and they still are at times. And thanks for alluding to that, Ron, because you never recover. What you do is you end up with more tools in your toolbox box and people say you can.

I don’t believe you’ll ever recover from pds. I think you can learn to manage it better. I’m better at managing it now. Then I was in absolute fear even coming on it and trepidation about coming on a podcast because I find it very difficult to unpack this stuff. But I’ve learned how to manage that and I’ve learned what it feels like to be vulnerable, honorable. And I’ve learned because I know there’s normally a wash that comes afterwards. And so I’ve learned to manage that wash on the other side because I’ve got time tomorrow afternoon I can depress.

I, I won’t go down the track of these people have judged me or seen me as small or see me as dirty or weak. And they sound like, well, how can you do? Because that’s how you think and that’s how that goes. And by having someone who can speak to your greatness and bring you comfort in difficult times like Ghost was saying, is really, really incredibly valuable. I’ll tell you the difference between, to piggyback on that, the difference between my life now and 11 years ago. 11 years ago you might have caught me balled up in a corner, dark corner, alone, crying about the bad things.

That, yeah, it might have crept up on me that day. Now I cry about the good things and I’m not alone. Come on, come on now. Well, you know, I, I think, you know, I, I, you know, it’s, it’s very interesting when you, you guys talk about crime. I have someone that’s not going to laugh at me or judge me for it. Right. You know? Yeah, yeah. Well, one thing I, one thing I want to Tell people about tears. And I learned this, I learned this when I was taking an interpersonal personal communications class and back in college, long time, forever ago.

And they said the tears actually, in the, the, the liquid tears that come out of the tear ducts actually contain toxins. High, high powered toxins that your body is trying to release. And when you cry, the reason that people have this sense of, like, relief after they cry is because their body has expelled so many toxins that they would not have otherwise been able to, to get rid of. And that’s why tears are such an important part. And, you know, you know, we, as a society, I think, are taught not to cry. Don’t cry, don’t cry.

Don’t cry because it makes you look weak. And I actually, I actually think it’s the opposite. Those who don’t cry are the weak ones. Those who do cry are the strong ones. Yeah, I’d say that, yeah, vulnerability is coming. You know, John, if you and I were in a bar and we were in the back table and we were going over some old war stories and we started crying, if we saw some girl getting slapped around at the bar, be, oh, hold on, let’s pick this up later, we go and do something about it, right? That’s who, that’s who he is.

That’s who I am. And it’s the same mentality. If somebody’s picking on the Air Force, I’m gonna come in and defend you, but I’m gonna pick on the Air Force all day. I pick on the Navy, too. So I am salty. I can, I, I am salty. And we all speak sailor on this call. That’s true, John. Listen, brother, I, can, I, I, you know what I mean? You’ve, this has been, and I, I don’t say this lightly, but this has been a, almost a transforming call for or caller or, you know, podcast for me. I, I can’t think of a time when I’ve had more of a.

I don’t want to say a shift in mentality, but, you know, is this, this, this, this had to have been a God thing because it was right on time for something that I needed to hear at this moment in time. So. And I hope the audience feels the same way. But, but yeah, no, this was, you know, I, I hope, I truly do hope the audience got something out of this, because I sure did. You know, and if, and if only I’m the one, if I’m the only one that got anything out of this, then it was worth the, the 90 plus minutes that that we’ve been on live.

But again, I. I want to extend the invitation to you to come back anytime that you want. And I do, like I said, I do want to connect you with somebody else because I think that, you know, you can offer. Your story, can offer benefit to a lot of people who are struggling. Hey, thanks, brother. Yeah, absolutely. Love to help. I hope, I hope it did help people, you know, all things for good. As I said, I’ve never prayed and asked why. I’ve always asked that he turn all things around. And I hope, I hope that’s the case.

You know, I. I once made a decision that I. People ask me why I didn’t go back and seek legal recourse. And I just never wanted to. I thought the best recourse I could have for my life was to live in such a way that they would realize they never broke me. And I think that should be the challenge for all of us. We’ve gone through things in life and they either, you know, as I’ve said before, refine us or define us. And, you know, I thank you for the opportunity. I count as a privilege. It’s come to the stage in my life and Ghost knows this.

Where I’ve been, I’ve been ready. I’ve been preparing for such a time as this. And I. And I believe that. And he’s. He and Harb have been great friends and they’ve been helping me with. With not an introduction to quality people like yourself. He’s helping me in the books and some other stuff. And I just. I value that you get to a stage in life where the good things that you’re so in, even sparingly because you only had a little to give away and you gave to your hurt. It seems like over time, God turns it around and it comes back in abundance.

And I really feel I’m at a stage in life where this stuff is going to help a lot of people. Well, I agree with that. You know, I mean, you. I think the biggest thing to do is. Does, like you said, is to give. Even. Even if you don’t have much to give, you give what you can. It’s just like the story of the, you know, in the end, the scriptures, when the. When the woman came and she gave, she gave two. Two shekels or whatever it was. And you know, and Christ said this, this woman gave more.

More than anybody else because she gave everything that she had. And you know, I think. I think that’s a story that we. We all can relate to because we all have something to give whether we believe it or not. And John, yeah, yeah, very, very appreciative of, of your story and your time. Love you mate. Sisu, be solid. All right. All right guys. Hey, appreciate y’all. Thanks for, thanks for tuning in. I, I can, I can pretty much, I can pretty much guarantee that John’s gonna be back at some point. So yeah, I look forward to that day.

So everybody enjoy your afternoon. I’ll be back here in a couple hours. I’ve got, we’re gonna do the comparing the Confederate when the with the with the United states constitution part two. So that’s coming up today but at 8 o’clock eastern so look forward to seeing you guys then. Until then John and Ghost stick around here and I’m gonna go ahead and end the stream. Have a great day everybody. We’ll see you soon. God bless.
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