Millions and Millions have Died Hidden Crimes of Big Pharma Johnson Johnson w/ Gardiner Harris

Johnson & Johnson has been linked to several health scandals, including asbestos contamination in baby powder and a significant role in the opioid crisis. Meanwhile, Dr. John Lakey, a renowned beauty expert, has developed a simple anti-aging solution that has gained popularity online. Gardner Harris, a former reporter for the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, has written a book exposing Johnson & Johnson’s scandals, which has been largely ignored by the media due to the company’s influence. Lastly, the gold industry has been implicated in defrauding customers, with Miles Franklin offering assistance to those affected.
Johnson and Johnson, a major global advertiser and a law firm with a drug and device company attached, has spent $35 billion on lawyers since 2011. The company is known for its aggressive legal tactics, often suing those who challenge them. Despite being a large publisher, Random House’s foreign subsidiaries are not publishing a book about Johnson and Johnson due to legal risks. The author of the book has obtained grand jury records, which are usually secret, revealing Johnson and Johnson’s questionable activities.
The text discusses a peptide called retatrutide that helps in weight loss by reducing appetite and burning fat. It also mentions a corruption in the healthcare system, focusing on Johnson and Johnson’s influence over the FDA. The author criticizes the company for not being innovative and for causing harm with certain products, like a dangerous vaginal mesh and metal hip implants. The text also discusses the misuse of a drug called EPO, which was widely used in cancer treatment but often accelerated death, and the author accuses Johnson and Johnson of hiding studies showing these harmful effects.
This text discusses a scandal involving Johnson and Johnson and other hospitals in the country, where they were involved in insurance fraud and harmful medical practices. They sold more units of a liquid called EPO than they claimed, teaching hospitals to bill insurers for the extra amount. Additionally, many nursing homes were giving dementia and Alzheimer’s patients antipsychotics, which can be lethal, to reduce staffing costs. Despite evidence and testimonies presented to the grand jury, no action was taken against Johnson and Johnson or the hospitals involved.
The author discusses the unethical practices of Johnson and Johnson, including hiding facts and possibly bribing officials. Despite these actions, the company remains highly admired. The author suggests creating an independent agency to monitor products after they hit the market, as the FDA often fails to revisit their approval decisions. The author’s book, which exposes these issues, has faced resistance from major healthcare writers and may face legal action from Johnson and Johnson.

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That’s bhmd1.com Sarah SL Sarah welcome to business Game Changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have Gardner Harris coming to the program. He has been a longtime reporter with the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and he was actually the White House correspondent with the New York Times. But since then he’s left and he’s done a book exposing Johnson and Johnson and Big Pharma and he has had, I can tell you I’ve said wow more times during this interview than I’ve said probably in any inter I’ve had. And that takes a lot because I’ve seen a lot and he’s going to be telling you things about Johnson and Johnson that I, I know you haven’t heard before because it’s been completely shut out of the media.

He has, he’s talks about how he has sent his book to many of the publishers, many of the people he knows, you know, in the industry, and nobody will touch it because it’s so explosive and Johnson, and Johnson has so much power. He’s going to talk to you about grand jury information that is completely secretive that he, he’s going to talk about three big scandals that Johnson and Johnson has been involved in and has caused millions and millions of lives and that they are never held accountable for this. And they are considered the, you know, the pinnacle company.

They’re really looked up upon. And when you look at the opioid crisis, you look at Purdue Pharma, everybody thinks they were like 90% of the, the whole industry, actually only 10% of the people. This is what he tells us. 10% of Morgs had their product, Purdue Pharma’s product in their bodies. 60% had Johnson and Johnson’s product in their body. But nobody knows about that. They, they skated through all this. And you’re going to talk about how they’re skating through so many things. It’s, it’s incredible. And, and before I get into that, I need to talk to you about another thing.

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Okay, let’s get into my explosive conversation with Gardener Harris. Hi, Gardener. Welcome to the program. I’m glad to be here, Sarah. Thanks for having me. Well, you have some explosive information on Johnson and Johnson. And I gotta say that, you know, when you look back at the whole Covid era, I think Pfizer came out of that. If I was a marketing executive at Pfizer, I might actually recommend changing their brand name to out of Pfizer. Right. I mean, it’s, I don’t know if there’s a brand more despised than Pfizer, but Johnson and Johnson had a vaccine, too, and they kind of dodged that whole bullet.

And you’re trying, you’re saying that Johnson and Johnson might be kind of the big villain pharma company. They had more people die on the opioid crisis that with the Johnson and Johnson labeled product than anyone else. And nobody associates that with them. You know, one of the amazing things about Johnson and Johnson is just how they have managed to dodge accountability for decades after decade after decade. You know, I mean, the sort of flagship product of dodging that accountability is the fact that, you know, Johnson’s baby powder, this incredibly trusted product that mothers used on for a long time, half of all American babies had Johnson’s baby powder on their bottoms was contaminated with asbestos.

It is absolutely crystal clear. Hundreds thousands of documents show this. The company knew for decades upon decades that baby powder was contaminated with asbestos. The FDA finally tested it itself in 2019 and sure enough found asbestos in it. And so there it cause any harm? Did they find any harm that it caused to people in general? There are really good credible epidemiological estimates that around 15 to 20% of all women who get ovarian cancer over the last 50 years got it, largely because of their exposure to Johnson’s baby powder. So this is tens of thousands and thousands and thousands of women over the course of the last century who died because they used Johnson’s baby powder.

So it, it’s. And that’s just one of the many products. It’s. You know, the book basically goes through Johnson and Johnson was the crucial actor in the three largest, costliest and deadliest criminal conspiracies in American history. Right. So you know about opioids. What’s remarkable is that the story you think you know about opioids, that it was the Sacklers and Purdue Pharma is not at all true. Right. John Johnson was almost certainly the. The, the biggest actor in the opioid crisis. For instance, during. So there’s been three phases of the opioid crisis. The first and most important was the prescription opioid crisis that we all know about.

That Purdue Pharma was an important player in. During the prescription opioid crisis, the first 10, 15 years of the opioid epidemic, about 10% of the bodies that showed up in morgues had a Purdue Pharma product in their system. 60% had a JJ product in their system. Wow. If you watch those documentaries and things, you would think 90% would be the Purdue. Right, Exactly. And why, Sarah, why have you been told this? Why don’t you know the truth? You know, this book I was told throughout my. This project. I spent six years on this book. Everyone told me it was a suicide project, that I would never succeed, that I would never get to the end of this.

Because there have been efforts over many decades by journalists to bring Johnson and Johnson to account. But Johnson and Johnson is one of the largest advertisers in the world. And so they would go to the corporate headquarters of these journalists and say, if you run this piece, we’re going to pull all of our ads. And guess what would happen? The piece would. Would die. The other thing that Johnson and Johnson is, is it’s. It’s basically a law firm with a drug and a device company attached. Johnson and Johnson has spent $35 billion since 2011 on lawyers.

Wow. 35 billion. Do you. In many years, they spend. They spend roughly 25% of what all large companies in the United States spend on lawyers. Johnson and Johnson spends a quarter of it by itself. So the reason, like, get this book while you can, because I expect to be sued. They sue everyone who goes after them. Do you think that this is a time where you might be able to get. I mean, the fact that you’re got as far as you’ve gotten because big pharma is being challenged like no time in history. I think that’s right.

But I’ll tell you, Sarah, like, I have the largest publisher in the country in Random House, but none of Random House’s foreign subsidiaries are publishing this book. I got a note from the British arm of Random House, Gardiner. You know, we looked at the legal risks here. We’re not publishing it. The Indian folk. We’re not publishing it. We’re not, you know, all. None of these foreign publishers want to take these guys on because their legal reputation. They sued two experts in the baby powder litigation. Just because the experts said something they didn’t like. They, you know, these are academics who, you know, did studies.

And Johnson and Johnson sued them. They sue everyone. At one point in the baby powder litigation, there was a hearing in New Brunswick, where Johnson and Johnson is based. And the lawyers were staying at the largest hotel in town. And the plaintiff’s attorneys came back to their. There were about eight of them came back to the hotel and. And none of their key cards worked. And they go down to the front desk like, our key cards aren’t working. What’s up? And the assistant manager said, yeah, Johnson. And Johnson called us, told us to kick you out.

Really. These guys play the hardest of hardball. And. And that’s why you’ve never heard a peep out of this. And it’s why, for instance, I now am putting together a website. It should go live this week with the hundreds of thousands of pages of records that I have in this so that you can go through these records yourself, because it’s incredibly hard to find this stuff because Johnson and Johnson does such a good job bearing it all. Now, some of the records that I have, I’m not making available. For instance, I have grand jury records. Now, as you know, I was a reporter for the New York Times for 16 years.

I was a reporter for the Wall Street Journal. You know, neither one of those organizations have gotten grand jury records or even a hint of what’s going on in a grand jury since I think the star grand jury in the 1990s. There are many news organizations, Fox News among them, that have never in their entire history gotten a single record from a single grand jury. I have hundreds of files from three separate grand juries. How did you get them then? Yes, the only thing I can answer there. It’s, of course, it’s illegal for me to have.

These grand juries are the last truly secret institutions in American life. As you know, Sarah, I was a White House correspondent for the New York Times. We Got national security secrets all the time. Trump stores them in his bathroom. You know, Biden stores them in his garage. They’re not that unusual to have secret documents. Nobody has grand jury documents. And I have just. And the reason I have them is that the investigators of Johnson and Johnson were so stunned by this company’s behavior. You know, what I’m saying is that these just. These three criminal conspiracies cost more than 2 million American lives.

There has never been a company that comes even close to costing that much death, injury. Well, maybe Pfizer comes close. But yeah, Pfizer is an interesting case study because they also, you know, have pleaded guilty more than a dozen times, you know, paid billions upon billions in fines, you know, well before their COVID 19 vaccine, you know, and, you know, I’m happy to talk to you about the COVID 19 vaccine. I, you know, I, I personally think the Johnson and Johnson story is extraordinary. You know, they’re seeking at the White House, getting all these plaudits for saving the world.

Meanwhile, he must have. He either has no idea what’s going on in his own operation and in a project that he made his own signature, or at the White House, he must have known that everything was about to fall apart because FDA investigators were right then in the facility producing this vaccine and saying that it was. None of the lots could go out because they were all contaminated. I think they were. They actually dodged a huge bullet. Like I said at the beginning, I think that Pfizer’s reputation has been so tarnished and Johnson and Johnson has been kept clean out of that whole mess, which is wild, of course, because Johnson and Johnson’s vaccine had all these thromboembolic effects.

They had, you know, new. They had many more confirmed deaths associated with them, even though the share of the American population that took Johnson and Johnson’s vaccine was a fraction of Pfizer’s. So I don’t, you know, I don’t really want get into an argument about who’s, you know. No, no, but this is just incredible. You’re making me say, wow. I’ve seen a lot of things over the years. I mean, I’ve seen a lot, right? And I cover a lot that a lot of places won’t cover. And so me saying wow, a lot is actually means something.

I mean, this is pretty incredible news that you’re saying now, how come there are secretive grand juries? Why are there grand jury, you know, courts that nobody gets to know about? So, you know, grand juries are the heart and soul of the, of every criminal justice system, you know, it goes back to the time of Magna Carta, when the, you know, police, prosecutors, all those things have grown out of the original grand jury system. And grand juries have, since their establishment roughly a thousand years ago, always been secret. Their. Their investigative process. You do not have any constitutional rights when you come before a grand jury.

So you don’t have the right to, you know, the Fifth Amendment right not to. Not to say something that will incriminate you. That goes away in grand juries. So grand juries are the ones that decide really, whether felony charges are merited. And their deliberations have always been secret. And it’s basically the idea being since no one has any protections in front of the grand jury, their deliberations must be secret. And so if you talk to any lawyer, any prosecutor, any cop, they will say that the grand jury infrastructure in the United States is the last truly secret place that has never been breached by anyone.

And it’s always been that way. Well, is it, is it corrupt? I mean, are grand juries coming up with evidence showing somebody should be convicted of a crime and they’re not? Oh, all the time. You know, what, what the files on Johnson and Johnson show is, you know, they brought Johnson and Johnson executives in front of the grand jury. These executives testified under oath about Johnson and Johnson’s illegal activities. And what the prosecutors eventually decided was in many cases, not to charge these executives with, even though they clearly engaged in criminal conduct. They decided not to charge the company in multiple cases where Johnson and Johnson, again, clearly engaged in criminal conduct.

And Sarah, what, what I say in there is, I give you reasons for this. Three of the four prosecutors in these cases ended up going to work for law firms that work for Johnson and Johnson. If you were a prosecutor, if you are a prosecutor, going after Johnson and Johnson will ruin your career. Because as I said, Johnson and Johnson spends more on corporate law firms than any other company, and it’s not even close. So why do company. Why does this company get away with this? Why do their executives never get charged? You know, it was easy to charge Purdue Pharma and Purdue executives, and three Purdue executives pleaded guilty to criminal charges.

They were a lot smaller and didn’t have. Yeah, yeah, they’re. They’re nothing. Johnson and Johnson is the most important health care products conglomerate in the world. They have. Almost every major corporate law firm is on their payroll. Every academic medical center in the country is replete with Johnson and Johnson consultants. They are everywhere. So this is the answer to why you can’t even question whether vaccines are damaging. So if you go up there and you say I just want them to be tested to make sure they’re safe, that can’t even be talked about in Congress without being destroyed because of this.

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The reason why I took on Johnson and Johnson, you know, Purdue Pharma’s story doesn’t really tell you anything about the health care system writ large. It was a one product company. Johnson and Johnson is everywhere. It is the colossus. So when you look at Johnson and Johnson you can see all these places that you have to take care for yourself and your children. And the reason I Think, Sarah, like you will see that trust in doctors have been falling. You will see the trust in institutions. Fda. I tell stories about fda, for instance, which used to be.

There were polls in the 70s and 80s that showed that FDA was the most trusted institution in the United States of any kind. But what I show is that Johnson and Johnson base. FDA is now basically a tool of pharma. Nearly all of its budget is paid for by pharma and medical device companies. There’s a story I tell in 2012 where the industry refused to pay the fees that, that, that now support most of fda. And the FDA commissioner at the time, Margaret Hamburg, who I’ve known forever, went to Johnson and Johnson CEO and said, save us.

He did. He then used Johnson and Johnson’s huge lobbying force on Capitol Hill to get this bill passed. And what did FDA do? It paid him back by not withdrawing this dangerous vaginal mesh that ripped the vaginas of hundreds of thousands of women around the world and made it impossible for them ever to have vaginal sex. They did not withdraw metal on metal hip implants which created this terrible poisoning epidemic of metal ions that. Why can’t they just do something better? Why can’t they just keep innovating? It’s because it’s too expensive. Yeah. And law firms do, you know, I mean, Johnson and Johnson has never really been a particularly innovative company.

What they do is they buy products from someplace else and then they run it through this extraordinary marketing infrastructure they have and they protect themselves against, you know, the dangers that result with this huge phalanx of lawyers. They’re a marketing legal firm like they market. They’re a marketing firm, a product and a legal firm to protect their marketing. They’re not an innovative new product development. Not particularly. They buy it. They buy a lot of their products, figure out what they think would be a really good brand that that would sell that, you know, sell the crap with high margins, and then they protect the heck out of what? Their legal department.

Sure. And you know, Sarah, look, I personally think that childhood vaccines are important and safe. We’re seeing a measles outbreak in Texas. But I am completely sympathetic to people who are disbelieving because what my book shows is that all of these institutions that you’re supposed to trust who are reassuring you about childhood vaccines are in on the scam again and again. There should be zero, but there should be zero tolerance for us having to put anything in our body where A, we aren’t full disclosure and B, it’s not tested to be Safe, right. I mean, those two things are just so basic.

So the stories that I tell, for instance, EPO is, I think some of you might have heard about it. It’s the drug that Lance Armstrong used to dope his way to 7 Tours de France. It’s this BL thickener, gives you more red blood cells, which is why, you know, athletes like Armstrong used it to win. But what EPO was for 20 years and still to this day is it was, it was used in cancer. It was by far the most widely used cancer drug in the United States from 1993 to 2007. If you had anyone in your family who died of cancer during the administrations of Bill Clinton or George W.

Bush, there’s about a 50% chance that they got EPO. And in nearly every case, EPO either sped your loved one’s death or caused it outright. And Johnson and Johnson had study after study after study after study that they did with cancer patients that showed that people on EPO died much more rapidly than people not on epo. So if you have cancer, it accelerates death, but if you’re a healthy person, it can help with endurance and it can exercise in small amounts. Right. It does micro dose it or something. Right. So for, for high end athletes, it can help them achieve high performance.

But EPO is miracle, grow to tumors. Now remember Lance Armstrong, where Lance Armstrong got testicular cancer? He’s famously one of the, one of the most famous cancer patients. He got testicular cancer after he started taking epo. Right. So, you know, again, EPO is miracle. Grow to tumors, it makes them explode. So why were they giving them to cancer patients when they knew it accelerated it and caused, you know, cause an accelerated death? Why do they do this? What did they claim it was going to do for people? They claimed it was going to make, make people feel better.

Sort of a general pick me up. Like you take this while you’re taking other chemotherapy and you’ll feel better. They never proved that. There was never any evidence that that was the case. What was really going on, Sarah, is that in oncology, when you go to your oncologist, you’ll get an infusion of medicines, right? The medicines are usually intravenously delivered. Your doctor in that case is serving as both your pharmacist and your doctor. So oncologists buy cancer medicines themselves, give them to you, and then charge your insurer. And so what happens is that the more expensive a drug is, the more your oncologist makes in money.

In being the pharmacist in the case of EPO. Throughout this period of time, oncologists made about $300,000 a year in their practices by giving EPO to patients. They made another $300,000 a year on the average oncologist in the United States during this period of time. Doubled their income by giving epo. You want to know so, and almost no. Did they or did they convenient. So there were all kinds of hints that John. And look, Johnson and Johnson suppressed. I said that they had done study after study after study. Remember, in patients who had cancer, when you do a medical trial, you’re doing it not just for yourself.

You’re doing it because you believe this will help humanity. And it only helps humanity, of course, if those results are published. Johnson and Johnson refused not only to publish these results, they refused even to give them to the fda, which is illegal. Right. FDA did nothing because Johnson has so much power. Exactly. And it funds so many of their salaries. So the FDA simply allowed Johnson and Johnson to sit on this stuff. When it finally found out in 2007 that there had been all these studies that Johnson and Johnson never shared, a couple of top FDA officials complained in some public meetings that they didn’t get these.

But they could have charged them criminally and never did. So that. And that is, again, routine to the Johnson and Johnson story. Epo, according to my estimates from epidemiologists, by itself, killed as many people as opioids. About 500,000Americans. You’ve never heard of it. And in fact, few people in cancer even know this story. And I know it because I have the grand jury files, Sarah. I know exactly what happened. And what happened is that every hospital in this country was in on the fix, because, you know, that’s a criminal, but that’s criminal itself for the grand jury to hide that.

So it’s the way the grand jury system works. But you know what I’m saying, because they’re. They should have. This should have been referred to a criminal trial. And they didn’t. So prosecute these prosecutors who looked at this evidence. Prosecutors who then later, in many cases went to work for Johnson and Johnson decided not to prosecute the company and not to prosecute the executives. Now, in the EPO case, Johnson and Johnson had a partner in Amgen, and they did prosecute Amgen and. But not Johnson and Johnson. But they didn’t prosecute Johnson and Johnson, even though Johnson and Johnson’s behavior in many cases was identical.

And I just. I want to emphasize just how widely the scam was. What Johnson and Johnson did was EPO is a liquid. And they would sell these containers of epo, very large containers, and they would tell. They would tell hospitals that there were 100 units in. In these containers, but they would actually put 110 units. And then they would teach hospitals and doctors how to bill insurers for that extra dosing, as if they had paid for it. And hospitals, there was so much money. This is insurance fraud, plain and simple. But there was so much money involved in this that hospitals started hiring what are known as compounding pharmacies, which are these pharmacies that basically repackage the EPO into much smaller vials.

And the only reason to do that in the case of EPO was to make your insurance fraud far more efficient. And again, prosecutors brought many of these people into the grand jury. They testified under oath about these criminal schemes. But I talked to the investigators, and like Gardner, we can’t arrest everyone in cancer like it just. Everyone was in on the scam. What are we supposed to do? Wow. I mean, it. It makes you feel like a dupe, doesn’t it? To a certain degree, just being a citizen. So what. What do you think is the solution to this? Just informing people.

I mean, because when you have your biggest companies who you. You think you can trust are the ones perpetrating these crimes. I mean, I’ve been around. I know this happens, but the average person is just learning about this stuff. So you. I know you’ve been around. I’ve been around. You know, I was a reporter for 35 years. I covered pharma for both the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. I was the most important reporter on this beat for a very long time. Nothing is close to this. Again, we’re talking at least 2 million deaths, and 1.

That is a very conservative estimate for just the antipsychotic crisis that we haven’t even talked about and the massive number of children. That’s the third crisis, right? What’s the third one? So the third crisis is. And this also has a role in the. In our COVID 19 disaster, the third and the big. So my former colleagues, health reporters, and all of these places routinely talk about the opioid crisis as the worst public health disaster in American history. It’s not even close. The real worst disaster in American history, which is ongoing right now, killing 60,000 people every year, is antipsychotics in the elderly.

And what this is, is, you know, many nursing home patients obviously get dementia, get Alzheimer’s. And unfortunately, when you get dementia and you get Alzheimer’s, sometimes You wake up in the middle of the night screaming or you’re angry or something like that. And so what many people do in nursing homes is give them. What are these drugs like Risperdal, which are antipsychotics, which were originally called major tranquilizers. They basically put these people to sleep. Now, the justification for this is that it’s supposed to help with their bad thoughts, but they don’t. They do nothing for patients who have dementia and Alzheimer’s other than put them to sleep and kill them.

There is a black box warning on all of these drugs that says if you give this to dementia and Alzheimer’s patients, you will kill them. Did you do it on purpose? Oh, yeah. There are many nursing homes in this country where every single patient in the facility is given an antipsychotic. And doctors, psychiatrists, cover this up by diagnosing many of these patients with schizophrenia. Now, at late stage, late onset schizophrenia, which does not exist, it’s such a huge thing now. And it was started, according to these grand jury files that I have, by Johnson and Johnson, It’s.

It took off and is so big now that one in nine nursing home patients in this country is diagnosed with schizophrenia, even though none of them actually have the disease. It’s just a way of covering up what’s really going on. Do they make more money doing this? What is their incentive? I know Johnson and Johnson does, but does the nursing home? Yeah. So there is a direct correlation between staffing costs going up and use of antipsychotics. Because the more antipsychotics you use, the less staff you need at the nursing home, because you don’t need anybody on these nighttime shifts to deal with people getting up in the middle of the night because they sleep 14 and 15 hours.

And you can cycle many more patients through because they, of course, die. And Sarah, there’s one key thing. There are two ways that antipsychotics kill people. One is by making them much more likely to have heart attacks and strokes. But the other really important way is that it makes them much more susceptible to respiratory infection. What was COVID 19? COVID 19 is a respiratory infection. Why were American nursing homes, more than any other nursing homes in the world, the scene of so much death? In that first wave of COVID 19, a huge share of American nursing home patients are given Risperdal and antipsychotics because of the criminal conspiracy of Johnson and Johnson.

Wow. And that’s what shows up in these grand jury files. You have executive after executive admitting. Basically, they told doctors to keep prescribing Risperdal even when they were being warned that it would kill their patients. And these, these executives told these doctors, you will never get caught. No one is going to know. Well, so who? But what are the doctors? Incentive. They get money too. Sure. Doctors during this period of time, again, it’s really hard to believe this stuff. And I tried to tell some of these stories at the New York Times and not even my, you know, my lawyers, I mean, my editors laughed me out of the building.

But psych. Any psychiatrist who’s 50 year old, 50 and older, there is a really good chance that they were knowing participants in the deadliest criminal conspiracy in American history. Because Johnson and Johnson, all 5, Johnson and Johnson was the premier maker of what is known as an atypical antipsychotics. There were four other companies, one of them Pfizer, by the way, that also made atypical antipsychotics. All five of these companies pleaded guilty to civil or criminal charges that they bribed psychiatrists to prescribe these drugs to elderly patients who would die because of these prescriptions. So they did it anyways.

They knew and they did it anyway. So nearly. And again, the grand jury files are replete with sworn testimony from psychiatrists saying, yeah, I prescribe these drugs in these dangerous ways because I was being paid to do it. And that’s the sort of shocking facts that when you look at each one of these case studies. You know, I have nine in the book originally. My book was twice as long when I originally filed it because I included a whole bunch of other products. And my publisher was like, it’s too much. So we cut it down to just nine, including the COVID 19 story.

But each one of these nine in many cases involve hundreds of thousands of deaths that Johnson and Johnson knowingly caused. Okay, so you know, they’re very powerful. Yeah. And it’s risky to you. Risky to be a journalist Again, suicide journey. This is a risky profession. Right? What you need to get in front of as many people as you possibly can and you need to stay public. That’s the safest way to deal with this. Right. You know, I cannot tell you the number. What? There was just this iconic conversation I remember having with an expert on, on antipsychotics.

This guy has been studying the effects of anti psychotics for decades. He is a tenured professor. He is, he has as many protections as he possibly can. And I remember, you know, before I got a professional to do the epidemiology for me, I was doing a little bit of the work myself. And I said to him, I was like, you know, my back of the envelope calculation here is that nearly a million people have died. Is, can that possibly be right? And he goes, oh, no, Gardner, it’s not even close. And I was like, oh, what’s your number? Is it 500,000? Is it 250,000? He goes, no, I think the number is around six times what you have.

I was like, million? You think they’ve killed 6 million people? Yeah, you know, plus or minus about a million. I was like, you don’t think that might have been news? And he paused and he says, gardner, do you know what kind of lawyers these people have? I mean, what. Really. The reason I did this book, Sarah, is that that kind of answer is simply unacceptable. You know, with that kind of death and that number of injuries, somebody has to talk about this. Somebody had to do this. And the fact that it hasn’t been done up to this point.

And, you know, the thing about Johnson and Johnson, as opposed to the Sacklers, you know, everybody has known that the Sacklers and Purdue Farmer were bad actors going back to the initial launch of OxyContin. I mean, there were stories in every publication in the country in, you know, almost the immediate years after the launch about what was happening. Johnson. And Johnson has been on the top of the most admired lists in the world forever. As you know, as long as they’ve had these lists, they have topped the surveys of pharma companies, of health care companies. You know, every single business student in their first month in school is taught about the 1982 Tylenol poisoning scare and how Johnson and Johnson’s response was so ideal.

I retell that story, Sarah, and tell how Johnson and Johnson hid the facts, how Johnson and Johnson got away in part because they were almost certainly bribing the FDA commissioner of the day. You know, every student who goes to Harvard Business School and Wharton Business School is taught from this case study that if you’re truthful with the public and are upfront about crises, they will reward you. The real answer is if you pay off government officials, if you hide as well as you can, you can get away with it. And that’s been Johnson and Johnson’s playbook ever since.

That’s what it’s. That’s what we. We learned through doing our. Our job. It is comforting to know that the business students at Harvard and Wharton are learning something they think is the right way to go, but then they learn later. Now, what you learned isn’t right. You need to bribe people, and you need to hide stuff, right? Yeah, we’ll see. Yeah. Like, I think this book, hopefully, will be a brief antidote to some of that stuff. But let’s be clear, what’s going to happen in the next couple of years, Sarah, which is how this company has operated forever.

Johnson and Johnson is going to go back to Harvard Business School and back to Wharton and say we’d love to give you a big grant, but we just have one little request for you to get this grant, and we want to make sure that Gardner’s book is nowhere in. In any of your teaching materials. And so while I might briefly, you know, get some attention in those places, you and I both know what’s going to happen very soon. That’s right. That’s why you have to stay public and you have to get on, do as much as you can, while you can, and then the.

Once the words out, I mean, I don’t know. That’s right. That’s what you have to do. I mean, I’ve been around for a while. It’s hard. This is hard. I will tell you that I offered my old editor at the New York Times a free copy of the book and to talk with her about it. She didn’t even want it in the offices. So I don’t, you know, I think it’s really hard to tell this story. It’s really hard to break through. I. I sent. I wanted, you know, as, you know, one of the big things in book publishing is you get blurbs from people, you know and recognize.

And my publisher and I sent this book, galleys of this book, the early, you know, version of it, to every single major healthcare writer in the country. These people, I won’t name them, you know, them all. I couldn’t get a single one of them to blurb the book. To do a little. Yeah, this is an amazing book. Like, not one, Sarah. Well, that’s why we’re watching in Congress what we watch. You know, it. This explains why when Robert Kennedy Jr. Is up there, he’s presenting himself different than what he’s been doing for years. We’ll see. Like, it’s a really.

I mean, I don’t. I’m in Washington, obviously. I was a White House correspondent. I was a diplomatic correspondent in Washington. I know how that town really works. The. This administration is obviously seeking to shake that up. I hope they do, from top to bottom. We’ll see. I mean, my, My point there are isn’t hundreds of billion. Well, my point isn’t to accuse him of being different, not being authentic. To my point is that he has to play. I mean, we don’t know, we got to see what kind of things he does. But if he wants to get anywhere, I mean, people have to play this game and then hopefully he’s going to try to do what’s right.

You know, one of my recommendations in the book, the end of the book has a whole series of recommendations. One of the recommendations is that we have an NTSB of healthcare. And because, you know, FDA is gone, it, you know, it is entirely taken over by the industry and there’s no coming back, I think, from that. But what, you know, what we could do is set up in health care what we have in air, you know, in the aircraft and airlines, which is, as you know, the FAA approves their airplanes, but when there’s a crash, the National Transportation Safety Board comes in and investigates the crash.

And they are independent of the fda, faa because you know that the faa, having approved these air airplanes, has a conflict of interest in looking at sort of what happened when the plane crashed. And I think the same thing is true in drugs, what and devices. What happens all the time is that FDA approves these drugs and devices and then has this interest in, in not revisiting their decision. And so the evidence that these drugs and devices are dangerous and are killing people piles up and piles up and piles up and the FDA does nothing. And so what I am proposing is that we create an, in an agency independent of the, the FDA to monitor products once they are on the market.

So, you know, the COVID 19 vaccines. Are you confident that the FDA looked at the subsequent reactions? Well, we know they didn’t. Well, so, you know, what about all these other drugs and products which is, you know, the FDA has the same interest in kind of keeping it quiet when it turns out that their decision to approve this was a bad one. So let’s create an NTSB that you could, you could put it in the Medicare program because Medicare, of course, has just the largest files of, of healthcare records on the planet. And you can use those files to see how well someone does after getting a drug, after getting a device.

No one does that. And it should be, it should be done. You are doing amazing work. This is so important. Where can people buy your book? So you can buy it at the usual places, Barnes and Nobles, Amazon, you can pre order it. It comes out April 8th. Again, I would encourage you to do it sooner rather than later whether this book will still be, you know, on the market and being sold in, in May. You know, again, they’ve spent $35 billion on lawyers since 2011. Most of my friends expect them to come after me and probably sue you.

And what are you going to do? Just. And it’d be kind of good to be sued and get this all out in public court. Right? So that’s one of the reasons why they wouldn’t. It sort of depends. I, you know, I mean, I’m wildly speculating here. If it really takes off, I think it, you know, we’ll see if it. I think their fondest hope is that it gets lost in the scrum of other news and then they don’t have to do anything. But I, I, regardless, I will have a website with all of these documents where you can do your own research on this stuff.

That’s perfect. I really. And what is that? You don’t have that website yet? It’s my, it’s gardinerharris.com. you know, it will be up in the next week. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a massive undertaking that, you know, we’ve been working on for the last year and a half just because of the huge number of documents that we have. I can imagine. Well, thank you so much for joining the program. I really appreciate this. Yep. Thank you, Sarah. All right, take care.
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