Learning The Constitution | Article IV – The Relationship Between The States Federal Government

➡ Ron Partain, the host of the Untold History Channel, discusses the importance of Article 4 of the Constitution. He explains that the article was created to balance the power between the states and the central government, ensuring that states retain certain powers while not hindering the federal government. The article also introduces the ‘full faith and credit clause’, which promotes unity and reciprocity among states, such as recognizing driver’s licenses from other states. However, he notes that not all states follow this clause, particularly in regards to firearm carry laws.
➡ The discussion revolves around gun laws in different states, with a focus on open carry and concealed carry regulations. The trend shows that gun laws have improved over the past three decades, with states having more control over their laws. However, there are differing opinions on open carry, with some arguing it’s safer as potential threats can’t identify who’s armed. The conversation also touches on the challenges of carrying guns while traveling, particularly to places with strict gun laws.
➡ The speaker plans to visit Ohio in May, possibly on the 22nd, and hopes to visit the Football Hall of Fame. He’s open to setting up an event or meeting for a meal, and is discussing this with Melvin and others in a chat room. He also discusses the privileges and immunities of citizens and permanent residents, using the example of Mahmoud Khalil, a Palestinian born in Syria with a green card, who has been organizing activist rallies. The speaker argues that Khalil is not entitled to the same rights as citizens and his green card could be revoked if he violates its conditions.
➡ The text discusses the political shifts in California and other states, mentioning how migration from the East Coast influenced these changes. It also talks about the legalities of state secession and the formation of new states, using historical examples like the Dred Scott case and the West Virginia model. The text emphasizes that these processes are governed by the Constitution and require approval from both the state and Congress. Lastly, it questions the legality of secession, suggesting it was and still is legal based on historical attempts to make it illegal.
➡ The text discusses the roles of different branches of the U.S. government, emphasizing the President’s executive powers and the judiciary’s inability to change the Constitution. It also mentions the misuse of emergency powers, the impact of global warming, and the importance of maintaining balance in the Senate. The text further explores the concept of eminent domain and the upcoming Supreme Court case related to it. Lastly, it highlights the shift from a republic to a democracy through the 17th amendment and a 1964 federal court ruling.
➡ The text discusses the responsibility of the federal government to protect states from invasion, which is defined as unwanted encroachment. It also talks about the role of the president and Congress in dealing with detained invaders. The conversation then shifts to the constitutionality of certain actions and laws, and the balance of power between the president and Congress. The text ends with a discussion on the use of fear by the security state to justify surveillance and control.
➡ The text discusses the role of the CIA in shaping perceptions of threats, suggesting that they may have amplified the danger of certain groups for their own purposes. It also touches on the principle that the federal government can only intervene in cases of domestic violence if invited by the state legislature or governor. The text ends with a discussion about the JFK assassination, hinting at possible conspiracy theories.
➡ The speaker discusses a show called Cowboy Logic, where two guests, Dan Caldwell and Jeff McKellar, shared new information and unseen footage about the J6 event. They suggested that certain capital police officers may have tried to provoke the crowd. The speaker also mentions various personal updates, including plans for public speaking engagements and a desire to revisit a ship that is now a museum.

To the Untold History Channel. My name is Ron Partain and it is Tuesday which means that it’s a favorite day for a lot of people. So but for you guys that are the Constitution junkies, this is your show and we welcome as always Mr. Douglas V. Gives Mr. Constitution himself. How are you sir? I’m doing fantastic. How are you sir? I’m a little, I have to say I’m. I’m good but I’m just, I’m just a little tired. You know I, I woke up really. I woke up at like 3 o’clock this morning to watch the Dodgers on.

They’re. They’re in Tokyo. This is a. They’re. They’re playing two games versus the Cubs. So I got up really, really, really early. I drove six and a half hour drive to the high desert in Oregon to see a. An arena football game and my team, the, the visitor like more than doubled the score of my team. It was bad but it was still fun. But we got caught in a snowstorm on the way there, felt fortunate to get there and then on the way back it got worse so we stayed an extra night. So we got back last night.

But. But yeah, a lot of fun. Yeah. Football where I live, sports events is not exactly in. It’s not a lot. It’s you. The sport, the sporting up there is probably more like archery or shooting or horseshoes or you know, like rodeo stuff. Yeah, yeah, rodeo or the high school team is pretty much, you know, nearby, so. Right. Well today we are going to be jumping into the article. Article 4. Article 4. So I guess we should probably just. Let’s pull that up right now and a little foundational information here. So if you remember from our past discussions, the states sent their delegates to the Constitutional Convention to create a new government.

The Articles of Confederacy, the Confederate government, the Congress of the Confederation gave very little power to the central government. The states were afraid of a strong large central government. They purposely went out of their way to make sure there was no strong central government. But the problem with, with, with confederacies is they go too far the other direction. Yeah, you have too many, too, too many states who have all the control. But when there’s something that’s good for the Union, there’s no central agency to make the determinations. The lesson was kind of learned during the Revolution War because with the militias during the Revolutionary War the militias belong to the states.

So Congress would say hey, we need your militia, Pennsylvania to you know, go over here, deploy over there for particular battle. And they’re like, no, we’re gonna. We’re gonna watch Philadelphia. We’re not gonna do what you want. Got a problem here. You need a central authority. And so when George Washington began to exert himself and understand what it was to be the general and convince the Congress to take a stronger stance in the states, to back off a little bit, and the central authority began to then dictate where. Where the armies would be deployed and so on and so forth and how they would go about it.

Then things started turning around. Same thing is true with the government. You. You need some type of central authority for certain things. That does not mean, though, that you go the extreme. So what had happened was the extreme of a national system or a. Or in this case, a monarchy that acted with the total central authority and dictated was what they fought against. And then what they decided to become was the exact opposite extreme confederacy, where the member states held all the power and the central authority held almost no power. So they realized they needed balance, they needed something in between.

And so the state’s delegates went to the Constitutional Convention to create that. And then, of course, the debates were heavy because it’s like, okay, if the power is going to belong not only to the central government, we’re giving it some power, but the power is not given to it. Who’s going to have the bigger voice? States with lots of, you know, larger populations, or should it be even Steven or. Or what? And but one thing was sure, one thing they all went in understanding was the states had to retain certain powers, that localism was going to belong.

The states, they understood that. And so Article 4 addresses that. Because Article 1 established the legislative branch, Article 2, the executive branch, Article 3, the judicial branch. But what about the states? Because we want the states to maintain their sovereignty, but at the same time, they can’t get in the way of the federal government when it needs to do its duties. Right? So and so way they wrote Article 4. And one of the first things that they recognized was while the states were in this confederation and while they were independent states before the confederation were independent colonies, they had their own laws, their own way of doing things, like little different countries.

And the problem is, if we’re going to be a union, if we’re going to be a firmer union than that confederation, and we’re going to have a central government, federal government, doing certain things, we need to operate as a union, because if the states are bickering and doing their own thing and taking off in different directions with stuff, it’s going to create Confusion, it’s going to create conflict. And so we need to make sure that the states are operating as a union. And once again, it’s a fine line. They don’t want a firm union where it’s not a voluntary union and you can’t secede.

But they didn’t want confederation where states do whatever they want whenever they wanted because they wanted to and it wasn’t good for the cohesion of the union. So they’re looking for a balance here. And that’s where the full faith and credit clause then comes in. And basically what the full faith and credit clause is is this reciprocity throughout the states that they’re all going to operate as a union with reciprocity. So you know, that’s the reason why your driver’s license, you don’t have to stop at the state line at the next state to get a new driver’s license.

Your driver’s license is recognized in all the states. Reciprocity. So here’s what it says. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records and judicial proceedings. So yes, judicial proceeding to the Dukes of Hazard lied to you. You get to the other state line, you’re not free. Full faith of credit shall be given each state in the public acts, records and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress might made by general laws, general laws that, that know not the something that specifically. And because they have to be uniform, general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records and proceedings shall be proved and the effect thereof that last part.

So go back to your driver’s license. You don’t have to get a new driver’s license. Each state has its own driver’s license. They have their own rules established regarding that driver’s license. And for example, when I had a class A in California, it was much more difficult to get a class A there than in, say, Oregon. If I was to transfer my class A to Oregon, Oregon’s attitude is take a written test, you’re good. Because it’s so much harder to get one in California. But if I had a class A in California, I’m trying, or in Oregon, I mean, and I’m trying to move to California, they’re going to make me go through the whole thing again because they’re, because their requirements are more stringent.

Now that all said, that last part Congress made by general laws prescribe the manner which such acts, records and proceeds shall be proved the effects thereof. So Congress may say, okay, you guys have your own driver’s licenses. But our general law for uniformity and for clarity so that people understand every license has to have the name of the state on it, the name of the person. You know they, they’ve got their standard that has to be followed while the state can have it for the most part the way they want. There are certain things that have to be uniform for the sake of the union.

Hence what you got there at the end of Section 1 with Congress, you know make those general laws. Right. Now Tackleberry brings up the first thing that always comes up when I talk about this. What about reciprocity regarding firearms carry all that? Well first of all the constitutional, constitutional carry laws, I love them. They’re like well there’s no reciprocity needed, just carry because it’s your right. But that said on these states that do have requirements for permits they should by by the Article 4 Section 1’s requirements recognize a concealed carry permit from any state in their state.

Period. Agreed. California doesn’t for example. So there you go. Yeah well California is a animal all of it all into itself. Well and it’s one of the most unconstitutional systems states I’ve ever come across. Now now I’ve spent some time in Oregon. Salem is a real isn’t too far behind I’m sure Olympia Washington isn’t too far behind. Matter of fact I think Olympia Washington may have passed California at this point. Oh they’re. Yeah yeah I think, I think what they’re trying to do is they’re. They’re literally in competition with each other to see which ones that they.

Which one can. Can do the most destruction the fastest. The you know there’s a funny graph and I’ll try to pull it up and send it to you Ron. I was just looking for it and couldn’t find it right off hand but welcome Warhamster by the way. Oh thank you. A long time no see. Yeah this is goes back about six whole hours I was going to say. There’s a 30 year chart of how gun laws have evolved in individual states over the last three decades and the trend is absolutely going the right direction both in terms of concealed carry, how they issue just across the board state by state by state has gotten better and better gun laws.

The trend is definitely our friend and having states rights be in charge of the gun laws is working out. Federalism is working in this case. I just happen to be sitting in the middle of a state that has the best gun laws in the entire country and that’s really weird because they’re lib tried on so many things they have. Remember, it’s always been the live free or die state and it’s the Massachusetts Democrats haven’t overrun it yet. We’re sitting in the purple, the rhinos here. We’re talking about New Hampshire. For those who don’t know New Hampshire Shire, which I’m going to get it renamed to, it’s a, you know, it’s a very quirky place.

But that live for your die attitude definitely still exists when it comes to the gun laws. So federalism is working in this topic. And to answer Tackleberry, he says I might be mistaken, but I think some constitutional carry states might only recognize their own citizens allowed to carry and no out of state can in other constitutional states. Wyoming basically there says that only residents can carry without permit. But all the other constitutional carry states I’ve looked at, they don’t have that requirement. They pretty much let any. If you’re in the state, it’s like Arizona, I walk there, you know, I don’t care if I have an organ license.

It’s open carry and constitutional carry. It doesn’t matter who you are. Actually when I, you know, I moved to, or I moved to Arizona back in 2011 and there were billboards, they had billboards up telling people that if they see guns, if they see somebody carrying a weapon, not to call the, not to call 911 because it’s literally okay, it’s legal to carry because you get, because, because Arizona, you know, they say that the United, the United States is the melting pot of the world. Well, Arizona is like the melting pot of the United States. There’s so many people that come there from all over the place because of the weather.

And so when, you know, you get a lot of people coming down there from New York or you know, Michigan and Illinois where, you know, you can’t have a weapon in a city and you come into a city where people are just like, you know, their people carry every day, all the time. Yeah. So yeah, my wife and I were at a small little diner somewhere in Arizona one time. What was this? A year or two ago. And I mean I, I could count open like five or six, you know, guys there just on their hips.

And I’m like, and, and I joked with my wife, I said, so I wonder how many people would be nervous. I’ve never felt safer myself. But, but you know, now Oregon is an open carry state. So if you carry in the open and it can be seen, that’s legal. Now there are certain places you can’t carry into like Public buildings and certain public places and stuff like that. But it is, this is an open carry state. And then get, but you do need to get a permit for concealed. But it’s a, it’s actually a relatively easy permit to, to get.

So let me, let me just, let me say something real quick and because I, I don’t want this to turn into a second amendment show. No, but open carry is the most stupid freaking thing on the planet because if you got an open carry and somebody walks in, they’re going to know who’s carrying. It’s, it’s, I mean it’s, it’s just, it’s just retarded. But I’ll leave it. But if everybody’s concealed carrying and you don’t know who’s concealed carrying and you’re the bad guy. Exactly. Yeah, no, absolutely. So just a quick anecdote to get off the gun rights, stuff like that.

But you know, I’ve talked about for a long time, I’ve been thinking about moving to the Caribbean for a long time and I looked into it pretty seriously in 2016 and just getting a sailboat and going island hopping for the rest of my life. Thought that’d be a pretty fun lifestyle. One of the things you find is, let’s say there’s 30 islands there that you’d want to go to. You’re going to have five or six that actually allow you to have, you know, regular normal gun laws. You’re going to have five or six where you have to check your guns when you get into their shores or into their waters and there’s others, you cannot even have one on the boat, period, or you’re going straight to jail.

People have tried to do things like put little, you know, concealed, you know, stashes where you can hide your guns when you go into those waters. But at the end of the day, it those, those cut, those state, those countries, those islands that have absolutely no guns allowed basically mean makes it so that people that are sailing from island literally cannot carry a gun, period, at risk of jail, which means you have no defense whatsoever against cartels. So few years ago there was a news item that came out about a man who got arrested because there was a couple of empty casings in his luggage and got noticed when he was at the airport going through.

And that island had, I came up with Bahamas. I want to say it was Bahamas, but I’m not sure. But they had the zero tolerance law when it came to that. And because he had like two empty shells, there wasn’t even the bullet wasn’t. They were empty shells. That’s it. And he wound up in jail and it became a big deal, you know, trying to get him out. Wow. I was just in the Bahamas. I don’t think they would be one that has a no carry or no. No gun at all. I don’t think they’d be one of the strictest.

But yeah, it was in that area. I. I don’t remember the island, but it was in that region. But anyway. Interesting. Just east of Florida, but anyway. All right, so full faith and credit. So we’re a country, so certain things are going to be good through. You know, it cracks me up to how, like, for example, you have a certificate or a degree and you go to practice that in another state and they require you to get a certificate from their state. The certificate you got from your schooling somewhere else should be good enough because of Article 4, Section 1.

Okay, so Doug, how does that, how does that apply when you do? You have to like, go to a new state and have to take a new. Like a securities license or state bar exam or medical licenses. Exactly. So. So it isn’t universal. Full praising credit should be. Okay. Now that said, your. The. Let’s say you have a securities license and you’re there temporarily, your existing license should work until you get your new one in the state. Just like a driver’s license. Right. You mean you’re like on a sojourn? Jesus, Ron. Yeah, as a matter of fact.

Yeah. Hey, you told. You guys gave me the directive, so I just had. I had to comply. Well, give an example. So my securities licenses, you know, I was living in California. I was obviously California licensed. If I get a client who’s in Texas, I’ve got to get it. You know, I’ve got to apply. And it’s very easy to sign off and get a Texas license as long as you, you know, you got a good clean record. But it’s a state you live in. You have to be licensed in any state where you have a client.

And I think that’s the case. And with lawyers, I know it’s wherever you know, you have to get. You can get grandfathered in or like guest pass the bar to go do a specific case. But mostly you have to actually be licensed in that individual state. Yeah. They make you jump through some hoops. Yeah. It shouldn’t be that way. Okay, Melvin, I forgot that you’re in Ohio. What date are we supposed to be in Ohio? May. What? I’m talking to my wife. We’re going to Be traveling in May. And I think it’s going to be the 20s, 24th or 21st, something like that.

Of May. We’re going to be in Ohio. Yeah. Now we’re supposed to be in Ohio last year and my wife got sick and kind of killed the. I killed it. But we’re going to be in Ohio. Well, we haven’t had anything set up yet. All we know is going to be in Ohio in May and so. Huh. The 22nd. So 22nd. Well, we’re going to go by the Football hall of Fame too, while we’re there, so. Yeah, but. So Melvin, I think you already have there. There’s no Raiders in the, in the, in the Football hall of Fame.

Yeah, there is. George Bland, number one. Yeah. A kicker. Yeah. Like. Yeah, like back, back when you like, weren’t even born. I’m totally busting your balls, man. What do you mean when I wasn’t born? I’m just teasing you. I was a Raider fan, but while you’re still in your nose. But anyway. All right. Article four, section two. What’s funny about that, guys, is we’re almost the same age. We’re what, six months apart? Something like that. Yeah. All right. But I was. But, but, but nobody can ever take away that I was born in the summer of 69.

Melvin, the plan is to go to Canton, Ohio for the Football hall of Fame. And I’m not setting up an event unless someone can or wants to. I’m going to be coming through the area, but. But I’m definitely open to getting together for lunch, breakfast, dinner, something like that. I’m talking to Melvin in the chat room about my Ohio. Doug, I’m working with a group. You know, I’m working with the. The national. Sorry. Preaching strategy guys. And we got a big group of people in Ohio, so maybe I’ll put a feeler out there to see if they want.

Okay. I would love to do an event while I’m out there. Yeah, they’re a solid group and I think they could probably get enough numbers to justify your time. Pretty well organized. Yeah, I only have on this trip. It’s actually only have a couple events actually planned. One of them is in Minnesota and one of them is in North Carolina. But I’m talking to our good friend Bill. But, but. So you’re taking a sojourn too? Oh, Jesus, no. I’m traveling. That’s. That’s an inside joke. That’s an inside joke, guys from. From earlier. I’ll tell them what the joke is so they can go Watch it.

Oh, no, it’s gonna be on when I upload the video. So they’ll just have to tune into that and see Real Special ed says he’s 45 minutes from Canton. Organize something. Like I said, put your feelers out and I’ll put the word out. So Melvin and real Special Ed, you guys are going to be my. My liaisons to Ohio for now, I guess. So I’ll let you guys know through these chat rooms here and on Sunday nights and if. If either one of you are there on Sunday night with. For the Republic. All right, now, Article four, section two.

The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states. Now, what are privileges and immunities? These are the things that come along with citizenship and permanent residency. These are things like new process. And you know, your, Your, Your rights because your rights, everybody has your natural rights, but your natural rights are typically practiced in your country. For example, if I was to go to France, I started screaming, I have a second Amendment right. They’re not going to care because their laws are different. But those privileges and immunities of whatever the country has, does apply to the citizens.

Now, this is why this is important. So we have this big complaint about guy like Mahmoud Khalil. Well, no, he has First Amendment. What? No, he doesn’t. He’s not entitled to the privileges, immunities of citizens of the several states. Now, some, because a permanent residency card, green card, comes with conditions because you’re a visitor, it’s like my house. You live here. You’re gonna have a lot more privileges, immunities than if you are visiting. You walk one through my door as a visitor, and then you decide to grab a. Grab a drink out of the fridge, kick your feet up on my coffee table, turn on the tv, and then flip my wife off.

You’re going to be thrown out because you’re a visitor. And that, and that’s what this is all about. The citizens of each state shall be entitled privileged immunities. But it’s also not only saying that the privileged immunities belong to citizens, but that also each of the states are going to recognize those privileges immunities. So in other words, if you’re from Texas and you’re visiting California, not to be treated like the foreigner, like Mahmoud Khalil. And out. Because you’re a citizen United States. So if you’re a Texan in California, you better be treated right. But if you’re someone like Mahmoud Khalil, bye.

For those who are not paying attention. Mahmoud Camille Khalil is the oh, Palestinian born in Syria green card who has been organizing all kinds of active activist type rallies on campuses like at Columbia University. And he’s here on a green card. And with your green card comes conditions. And according to the United States law, the Secretary of State who’s in charge of foreign affairs when it comes to that kind of thing and working with other countries, if he says no, you’re violating, you’re, you are violating those rules that we, you know, have there for you to have that little card.

Your card’s revoked. So what about due process? He’s not entitled to the privileges, immunities of citizens. Well, what about the evidence? He’s not entitled to the privilege and immunities of citizens. What about first Amendment? He’s not entitled the privileged amenities of citizens. Goodbye. Bye. So there you go. Well, I see you didn’t know that today’s news would pop up into Article 4, did you? All right. It’s always good when that happens. Yeah, so it’s, that’s one of the things I used to love about doing my Constitution classes is when there’s something the news, I’d be able to use it for whatever I’m teaching.

And if you’ve gone through my classes, which both you gentlemen have, you realize that the second time you go through the Constitution might not be exactly the same it was the first time was because there’s different news, right. Different things. Now that popped up the, caught my attention and I’m going to talk about those things. And so every class would have a. So now for those of you who are traveling through the Constitution with us a second time here on UntoldHistory TV, you’re like, yeah, kind of like that. Exactly. The nice thing about world events is they help me with my teaching the Constitution quite often the world is very good at teaching us exactly what’s not constitutional.

What’s funny about that is before I’d met Doug, I learned the Constitution because of world events. Something would happen and I’d have to figure out exactly is this constitutional? And that’s. I just, I self did the self research, went back and read all the founding documents, you know, and that’s the opposite of the way Doug teaches it. But they both work. Yeah. Taco berry. Just as a note, if you’re from California and come to Texas, we’ll treat you accordingly. Yeah, my parents, I’ve seen, I’ve. I’ve seen billboards on, on the, on the highway along II40 that says welcome to Texas.

If you’re from California, keep going. How about this one, Tackleberry. What if I was born in Texas, lived in California and then come back to Texas? Am I, am I cool then? Well, it’s question is, how infested with the California virus did you become? Yeah, when I was a kid in the. We’re talking all the way back to the 70s, we’re talking about Texas’s attitude towards our Californians. Whenever my, my stepdad, my mom both have Arkansas roots and, and so we’d go back forth circus almost every year for summer. And it almost, it, it. I, I think it happened almost every trip.

A dad would get pulled over in Texas and he swore up and down because he had a California plate. And most of the time he’d be let go. But it was like what are you doing in my state, boy? Kind of attitude. You know, it just thought it was funny. Yeah. Tackle Bear, by the way, says Warhammer said you might be exempt. Well, it really depends. I mean when people start talking to you and they see your attitude, then they can, they could pretty much tell. Yeah, well, like I said, we get it up here in New Hampshire because we got an awful lot of people who are leaving Massachusetts and New York factors.

Talked to a guy the other day who’s annoying us at breakfast, came up here from New York and started spouting a bunch of libtard nonsense and he goes, yeah, I love it here. No taxes. I’m just looking at him going, what did you vote for your whole life in New York? Right. And now you’re going to come here and take advantage of it in your retirement? Well, that’s the thing that just annoys the hell out of me is that people, they get these ideas of policy and in these liberal states and then they go and poison the center part of the country.

Yeah, that’s an important point though. Remember, California was red for decades and it was in the 80s when a whole lot of east coast infestation came to California. A lot of Bostonians, mass holes and a lot of New Yorkers came to California and that’s right when California started shifting. Yeah, but I think the, the true event that really caused California to flip was. Well, I, it was, it was, it was amnesty in 86 combined with the state’s passage of 187, which ultimately got reversed. And, and it just, it just sent everybody into a frickin tizzy. Two things real quick before we move on.

SD Gardner. I understand Mahmoud has a tie to being funded by usaid and he and he’s likely an insert for subversion. I’ve heard the same thing. I haven’t. I. I haven’t fully confirmed it but yeah, it looks like that’s the case. The other thing is my wife and I were. She. She decided she want to watch a chick flick and I reluctantly watched with her A Mystic Pizza. It’s a Mystic Connecticut. And. And I was taught and I. I said something about, you know, how libtard it is there. And. And she says well when did Connecticut become liberal? I said like mid-1600s Puritan Yankees.

And then I told her and I gave her Northeast United States Puritan Yankees. The Federalist Party. Big government. You know it’s just always. It’s just always been. New England area has just always been so left hard. But always. Yeah. So anyway. All right now. X type for expedition Person charged in any state with treason, felony or other crime. So they mentioned really two bad ones or, or any other crime. So really any crime. They could have said any crime. Right. Right out the gate. But treason of felony is. So they wanted to mention it but. Or other crime who shall flee from justice and be found in another state shall on demand of the executive authority of the state.

Who’s the executive authority of the state? The governor from which he fled be delivered to up. I’m sorry. To be removed to the state having jurisdiction on the crime. This extradition between the states. So because once again you’re a union, it’s a tight union. You’re not different countries anymore. And so you commit a crime. You can’t just. Once again Dukes of Hazard lied to us. Can’t just cross the state line. Woohoo. The sheriff can’t get me. Well, he’s got something that’s faster than your car, a radio and the sheriff on the. On the. In the other state maybe a state trooper is waiting for you and they’re going to ship you right back and that’s constitutional.

Now extradition is in the Constitution in two paragraphs. That first one is for citizens or. Or persons that are not enslaved because I shouldn’t say just citizens would be residents and so on so forth. Pretty much anybody except those who are giving service to someone that they have labor due. In other words, a slave or an. Or an indentured servant could also apply to this. No person held the service or labor in one state under the laws thereof, escaping into another. In other words, just because the laws are different, they come from a place where the laws say that they’re held to service and labor slavery, escaping into another shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered upon claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.

Extradition for slaves. This is the foundation of the two fugitive Slave acts, and this is what was being used when it came to Dred Scott. Now, Dred Scott basically sued because his owner, who was a doctor, took him to a different state with him, a free state. Dred Scott basically says, hey, based on my location, I am now in a free state. I’m free. And he sued. Court said, no, you are under the laws of the state in which your service is due, and the laws of that state say that you are still under the control, the ownership of this person.

Therefore, you will travel back with that person. You are not automatically free because of your location. Right, of course. Where Dred Scott then went off the rails and really ticked off a lot of people and some people say became a spark for the war between the stages. When then in the judicial opinion, one of the judges wrote, oh, by the way, and if you’re black and you’re a slave, and if ever you’re free, you’ll never be able to become a citizen. That kind of ticked a lot of people off. Didn’t he. Didn’t he say that? I didn’t.

Didn’t Tawny say something like that? That no black man has any rights that a white man has to. Has to abide by, or something like that? Something along those lines, which include that you’ll never be a citizen because you’ll never be entitled to the privileged immunities. Right. But anyway, there’s your little foray into the future slave act and where it came from. So the future of slave act was totally constitutional at the time this clause was in effect. Dred Scott, while it angered a lot of people, they. When it came to the ruling, not that judicial opinion later, that ruling, it was accurate.

It was constitutional. Now, when I say something is constitutional or unconstitutional, I’m not also saying bad or good. Sometimes when I say something’s unconstitutional, say, oh, you think it shouldn’t be? No, no, I think it ought to be, but it’s unconstitutional. You know, it, it. Just because some sun constitution doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad thing or that it’s unconstitutional. That’s. That’s a good thing. Or vice versa. But anyway, in the case of stress got dress got technically constitutionally was correct. Righty. Article four, section three. Now, now this here on the west coast is going to have A lot of, A lot of application because we have a few things going on the West Coast.

You got the New California movement, you got the State of Jefferson movement, and you got the Greater Idaho Movement. All three of those are governed by this Article 4, Section 3. New States shall be admitted by the Congress into this Union. Notice that nobody beyond Congress, it’s just Congress, all they need is congressional approval to be made a state. But no new state shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state, nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states or parts of states without the consent of the legislatures of the state concerned as well as of the Congress.

So now we get back to, let’s say, New California. New California basically was split California in two pieces. The lift art part on the coast and the rest of California. And the thing is, in order for it to happen, one of two things would have to happen. And I’ll get to the second one in a minute. The first one is Sacramento, which is the capital of California, for those of you who didn’t do well in geography would have to approve it. Two, not just Congress. Now there is another way. And, and I’ve heard this argument. Well, there’s the West Virginia model.

Well, yeah, but in order for the West Virginia model to play in, first of all, California would have to secede from the Union, be a different country, and then those counties could secede from it and then reapply as a new state and then it would be Congress only. Now, I brought this up earlier today. We were talking about the Confederate Constitution. The fact that they used that West Virginia model and said, okay, West Virginia is no longer Virginia. The state is no longer part of the Union. Therefore we can accept West Virginia without, you know, being in violation of Section 3.

Here is an admission that secession was legal at the time. Right. Which is the exact opposite of what they tried to say after the fact. What he means by that is if secession wasn’t legal, then Virginia is still part of the United States and therefore Richmond would have had to have given their permission. But if they’re saying, no, we accept you without, then they’re saying, oh, well, then they did secede. It is a different country. It was legal. Exactly. It’s contradiction. Yeah, they want to have their cake and eat it too. But it’s a direct admission.

And just to finish the thought on whether secession is legal, since we’re on the topic, there’s a reason that Congress in 1860 and 61 three times tried to pass a law to make secession Illegal and failed. But you don’t try to make something illegal unless it’s already legal. So it’s quite apparent that secession was legal and still is because now if it was legal and everybody says, yeah, but you know, Texas v. White. Yeah, but Texas v. White is a judicial opinion or ruling. Last time I checked, judges can’t change the Constitution. Constitutionally legal. Hey, they sure try try and do it right now, my, one of my favorites is no, the agency is supposed to be independent like the judiciary.

No, they fall under what branch? Executive branch. And in Article 2 it says that all executive powers are vested upon whom? The President. He’s the boss. So when it comes to the structure, the people, the money, you know, how many, how many projects are being carried, that’s up to the he’s in charge man. I shouldn’t see them whining when Biden was expanding the government. But for some reason reducing the government requires Congress’s, I’m sorry, the judiciary approval. Could you imagine if our whole country was always run by district judges, some in some region who’s got nothing to do with the whole bigger picture? That’s idiotic.

I always found it, I, I, I found it interesting that recently when all these people that are coming out of the woodwork are complaining that, you know, these government employees are losing their jobs, I’m like, well where were you when all of the regulatory agencies from these government jobs were killing industry and causing people who were actually involved in producing things for their fellow citizens and that they lost their jobs? I don’t remember you guys ever really griping about that. But, but, and I’m going to play off of Warhamsters a little thing in the chat. But Ron, it was an emergency.

It was global warming. How many times have I warned about Emergency Powers Act? Everybody in your state, if you’ve got an emergency powers act, you need to get rid of it immediately. We saw it abused under Covid and nobody pushed back. They will do this again and again if they can arbitrarily call anything an emergency and seize powers that aren’t the constitution. You don’t have a Constitution. Exactly. And you know, it is amazing when people recognize emergencies and they’re willing to believe things that aren’t even true. So while I was trapped in the high desert of Oregon because of the storm coming through and it snowed, snowed in Bend and Redmond.

Remember this is a high desert. They, they do get weather every once in a while. They are on the edge of the mountains, Cascade Mountains. They’re on the Eastern. Bottom of the eastern slope, basically. And it’s up higher elevation because of the high desert, but they don’t get that kind of weather often. And so when I went to the hotel, person who had a. Who had an interesting, what sounded to me like maybe a Pakistani accent, and I, I said, wow, this is, you know, you know, we’re stuck here because of the weather. Look, man, it’s snowing.

This is interesting. You guys get much snow here? She says, no, not normal. But, you know, global warming. And I said, global warming makes us snow. She says, yes, everybody knows that. Oh, my God. And, And I’m like, thank you for the room. I told my wife right afterwards. She’s like, what are these people watching CNN all the time? Yes. Ron, would it be fair to say that Doug Sojourn was interrupted? Touche. Yes. Hey, speaking of emergency powers, Donald Trump declared an emergency at the border, Southern border. And he’s using. Is he using Emergency Powers Act? No, he’s using his national security.

It’s a little bit different. But the objection, you know, it’d be interesting just to hear the leftist objections because they’re going to, you know, find, you know, they try to throw everything at the wall they can to slow them down. Whether they start addressing whether emergency powers are actually constitutional or not. I hope what happens is that the people watch all these shenanigans. They do everything they can to make sure we have the numbers. So we start impeaching judges. That would be awesome. To get the two thirds conviction is awfully tough. Yep. As long as people vote along national political party lines, which goes into a whole nother can of worms.

And I’ll leave that alone for now. Hey, get rid of rental zims and we might have a chance. Oh, man, that’s a different discussion for a different time. That’s it. Now that’s a can of worms. You want to get these guys going. All right, so now, second paragraph in Article 4, Section 3, the Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory and other property belonging to the United States. Property belonging to the United States is up to Congress in the sense of establishing the rules. Now, those rules and regulations are carried out by the executive branch.

Present, execute the laws, and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States or of any particular state, because states actually had their own territories. A great example was Massachusetts, until it became a state, had Maine as a territory. It was their territory, and it belonged to Maine. And this clause is saying, well, Congress has power over the, the territories. No, they have power over the federally owned territories. They did not have any authority to make any rules regarding Maine while it was under Massachusetts control. And that’s what that last part means.

Didn’t they, didn’t, didn’t they make Maine estate when Tennessee came in? No, when Missouri came in and Maine wanted to be a state and so Massachusetts let it go, they agreed to it. And so, and because, and that went along with The Missouri Compromise, 1820, I think it was right because, because they wanted to try to keep it even to appease the Southern states, that if, you know, you know, and, and also to appease the northern states. Hey, you know, Missouri’s gonna be a slave state. We can’t let them have more states than the free states.

All right, fine, we’ll bring in Maine and then Missouri. And the Southern is like, okay, well, if you do that for them, you got to do it for us. Yeah, they wanted to maintain balance in the Senate more than anything. Exactly. Interestingly enough, I can look out that window and I can see Maine and it doesn’t look like Massachusetts at all. So I’m glad they did that. Well, let me say this. I’ve been, I have traveled this country. I’m a firm believer the Oregon coast is the most beautiful land in this country. But the Michigan coast next to Lake Michigan and the New Hampshire Maine coast, probably real close third.

I love it out there. It’s beautiful. Yeah, it was about a month or two ago. We drove up and saw the, the Bush family and the Walker family compounds. And I can drive by Stephen King’s mansion too. Did you take a blowtorch with you? I couldn’t get close enough. It’s a very much of a gated community. In fact, you’re not even allowed to fly drones within like a three mile radius. I told you about the meme. The, the, the, the Elon Musk meme. Right. Okay, now Melvin misunderstood. I think what was being said if the protest issued an AEU that said my property was a territory.

No, he could not say it was a territory. It would have to be a territory that was picked up by. It was established by Congress either through treaty or by purchasing the property from the state and the state legislature approving it. So, yeah, don’t get excited. You know, interestingly enough, eminent. There’s going to be a huge eminent domain case that Supreme Court’s going to hear in the upcoming weeks or months, I think. Weeks. That’s going to really address that issue big time. And it’s a pretty darn good case challenging the government’s ability to seize property without just compensation.

And it sounds like supreme court’s going to rule in favor of the citizens. Yeah, just compensation being what’s just to the owner. All right. Article four, section four. Oh, my favorite. Let me. Let me tell you. Let me tell you my little mean joke first. It’s just a second, just. It’s very brief. What is this show? I guess we gotta give in. Well, it’s a. It’s Elon Musk looking out through, like, venetian blinds. And he says the. The joy you get watching the people you just fired drive away in cars you built. Exactly. I just. I don’t know.

I thought that was hilarious. It is, but that’s just me. Maybe it was a delivery. Whatever. All right. The United States, meaning the federal government, shall guarantee to every state in this union Republican form of government. Guarantee to every state a Republican’s form of government. So any action by the federal government that would be contrary to that would be illegal or unconstitutional. It was Congress that proposed the 17th amendment, moving us away from being a republic towards a democracy. And it was a federal court that ruled in 1964 that states could no longer have the. Have their state senators chosen by the county, county supervisors, county legislature.

And it won per county, which moved us also away from being a republic towards democracy. Both of those were unconstitutional. Ron, can you scroll up the. Guarantee a republican form of government, not a democracy. Apologies. You want to say something there before we run out of time here? No. Well, first of all, I was going to say this is my favorite section in the entire Constitution almost. And I was just gonna ask Ron to scroll up so we could read what you were saying. Yeah, well, he’s. He’s still. He’s still got, like, little dog dodger things prancing in his brain or something.

I don’t know. Yeah, I’m still a little tired today. Did they get beat? No, they won. Okay. They’re gonna be 162. 0. The. The new evil empire. The west coast evil empire. Yeah, I’ll take the. I’ll take the under run. I. I bet you would. So would I. All right. And then it says and shall protect each of them against invasion. It is. It is the responsibility the federal government to protect the states from invasion. What is invasion? Is an encroachment from the outside of the country. Yeah. When we say invasion and I get into some of my lefty friends over this, I say, well, no, that.

That requires an army with, you know, uniforms. No, an invasion. Look it up. It’s an unwanted encroachment. So if an invasion is an unwanted encroachment, and. And since when do combatants wear uniforms anymore? I mean, since when do terrorists wear uniforms? Since when do drug cartel members wear uniforms? We’re at war. We are being invaded. It is the responsibility of the federal government, through law and action by the executive, to protect this country, protect the states from invasion. And then once those, those enemy combatants are detained, they are apprehended, should I say then Court, Article 1, Section 8 is up to Congress what to do with them.

Not up to the courts. Courts are not mentioned in that. And so Congress. And if Congress says, well, we gave that power to the president on what to do with these that need to be sent out for national security reasons, then it’s up to the president to stick them on a plane and send him to El Salvador, Venezuela or whatever. The courts are not mentioned in any of those processes at all. The founding fathers purposely left the courts out of all of that because they did not want judges trying to micromanage separation of something that’s supposed to be protected by separation of powers.

Yeah, that was. It’s. It’s nice to see all these people being, you know, shelled out and taken on planes. That’s beautiful. And you watch all the El Salvadorian and Venezuelan authorities were handling those guys. It’s about, I don’t know, probably a year and a half, two years ago, Ron called me up one day and wanted to do a show which is up on my channel still. It’s whether it’s the constitutionally constitutionality of suspending a conc. The ethics of suspending a constitution. So Bukele in El Salvador, suspended the constitution in El Salvador, you know, to come in there and put things to order.

He promised he’d restore the constitution within a year or two. He hasn’t done so. So while he’s done a wonderful job of cleaning up El Salvador, getting rid of the crime and everything like that, they are still living under a dictatorship. It’s a benevolent dictatorship, but it could be abused. And that’s what our conversation was about. It’s an important point because, know, we talk anytime you get, you know, leftist encroachment, really the only way to really knock it back is through a strong nationalist. And a strong nationalist can be benign or malign. You know, Trump versus Hitler, there’s a different version of that and something we.

But Trump is not acting as nationalist. Everything he’s done has been Constitutional. Well, he’s been energetic, he’s been strong handed, he’s been very firm. But except for maybe that sovereign sovereignty fund. And there’s one of the things I saw I kind of questioned. Aside from those, he’s been pretty much because it comes out to execution of the laws of the United States is a large part of it and what they’ve given him. Now the argument with Allen has been, well, yeah, but that law is unconstitutional. Yeah, but they gave him that law. So he’s not acting unconstitutionally, he’s executing the law Congress did by putting the law in place.

So for example, the tariffs, there’s nothing. Constitution says it’s up to the President to decide on tariffs. He can negotiate them, but it has to be approved by Congress. But what Congress did is they made a law that said, hey, if it’s for the sake of an emergency or national security, President has the power to enact tariffs at his will. Technically that law is unconstitutional, but it’s a law his job is to execute, faithfully execute the law. So it doesn’t say faithfully execute, only the constitutional laws. So he is acting constitutionally based on the powers that were given him by Congress.

Congress, Valeda giving him too much power. But he has been constitutional. Yeah, he’s still more of a nationalist than I’m comfortable with long term. But that’s beside the point. My point stands that the only way to defeat this kind of leftist creep is through a nationalist or populist. Hey Ron, I got a quick question for you, Ron. Which, which version of the Constitution are you using? Which website? This is constitutioncenter.org so it’s interesting, in the first sentence of section 4, they have capitalized the word Republican. And in the original Constitution in most versions it is a small R Republican form of government.

So it’s interesting that they chose to capitalize it because that is not the original writing. Well, I don’t know because I’ve got the national center for Constitutional Studies version and that’s Cleon skouson. Cleon Skouson, 5000 year leap. This guy’s a major constitutionalist. He understands and it’s, it’s capitalized in that one. So I do, I do have copies of the original Big Old Giant. I will find it on the original. I’ll tell you, I wanted to, I wanted to make the point that I knew that the war on terror was a sham when we wouldn’t guard the border.

Right? I mean that to me that was the clearest indicator that the War on terror was it was a joke and it wasn’t. Well, it’s not a joke to those in, in, in Islamic countries that they’re carrying out war. They’re, they’re at war with us. Question is, are we going to handle it as such? And the problem is with the left and the globalists and the neocons and Democrats, it wasn’t seen as a war, it was seen as an opportunity. And so that’s where it went south. Should we be at war with terrorism? Absolutely. It’s at war with us.

But the war on terrorism in the way it was conducted, it wasn’t conducted properly. It’s being used as an opportunity to do the things they want. So it’s a sham, but yet isn’t. It’s the sham in sense of how they’re handling. It’s not. Well, if we’re, if we’re, if, if we’re going to war on terrorism, then we’re essentially going to war on ourselves. That’s actually a valid point because isis, Aleah, etc are all us CIA creations in one way, shape or form. With or without the CIA. Islam would still consider us the Great Satan and try to wage war against us anyway.

Yeah, but who created the Muslim Brotherhood with all this extremists came from. That was, yeah, all the extreme. The, the Muslim, the Muslim extremism was all, was all Western intelligence derived and it was all, it was all, it was all done in the, in the, in the 60s. They were doing the same crap during the 1700s with the Barbary pirates. Islam does what Islam does. While, while what you’re talking about in the sense of those particular groups is accurate, something would have still risen. That’s what Islam does. That’s like my, what I always say is two things can be true at the same time.

Meaning sometimes there’s a conflict and there are no good guys. It’s not about white hats and black hats. And a great example I can give you that is Yemen. It was Obama and his CIA and State Department that were doing their Arab Spring in 2011 that toppled the stable government of the Yemenis. Right. And that new government, the public government of our State Department wasn’t very popular with most of the Yemenis. And that’s where the Houthis came from. It was fighting against our puppets. So are they good guys or bad guys? No, they’re freaking terrorists. Well, once again, Islam’s gonna do what it does.

And what you’re talking about is, is true United States, but it’s not because the United States is at War, it’s because they’re using it as an opportunity for their own means. The other way to look at it is, you know, the way that our security state has always gained power and incrementally taken away more of our rights. They always try to keep us afraid. You know, first of all is the red menace. We had to worry about the Cold War, and after that we got the war on terror. Now we have to deal with domestic terrorism.

They always have to have an enemy to justify the surveillance state. Sure, that’s. Well, and that. That was kind of where I was going with, you know, with, with, you know, the grand chessboard. Brzezinski, you know, he was essentially laying the foundation for all of the radical Islam in the 70s, knowing that the Soviet Union was going to collapse. I mean, they were going to, you know, they bankrupted them with the, with the Afghan war that they baited them into going into. So. Well, and then the enemy’s there. It’s how the enemy is perceived as. What is the grand scheme there? It’s just with these airplane crashes and everything.

Oh, my gosh, look, we never had it like this before. There’s less plane crashes than we’ve had since we’ve been recording them during those two months. It’s how it’s being perceived. And so getting back to what you’re saying, CIA and the establishment of these different groups, because they want it to be perceived as a certain way, those enemies are going to be there, maybe in a different form, but they won’t look so. But if they were, you know, what they might have become. Naturally they would not be perceived as the great threat, but they needed to be perceived as a great threat threat.

Therefore, what happened, happened. So once again, you’re right. Both things are true. They are an enemy. They would be a problem, but they wouldn’t be be perceived in the same great threat way had it not been for the actions of the CIA and things like that. Let me take care of this very last section before we run out, because we’re on the last minute and it’ll only take a moment. And, and then it says, and on application of the legislature or. Or of the executive, when the legislature cannot be convened against domestic violence, what that’s saying is if there’s domestic violence in an area, the federal government can quell it, but it cannot quell it unless the legislature, in other words, the state legislature or the governor, if the legislature is unable to convene, says, come and help.

Otherwise, federal government’s got no business getting involved. It’s up to the state to deal with it. This is basically Whiskey rebellion, right? Basically. It goes beyond that, though. And the thing is, that’s the reason why you. When Seattle and Portland was in fire and, and Trump did nothing about it. And then when he finally did it was for the federal buildings there to protect them. He was abiding by that because, because Seattle, Portland, Washington, Oregon, they wanted the violence. They were encouraging it. They don’t want him to come in and fix it, make him look good.

So, and, and, and, and, and he knew constitutionally he couldn’t unless they invited him in. They never did deliberately. There you go. That’s it. Deliberately. Next week. Wow. Article five. That might take a week or two. We’ll see. We might be able to do Article 51 show. We’ll see. Yeah, we. Yeah, I, I don’t know how we’d be able to. Article 5 is a big deal, especially if all three of us are here. Yeah. You know, I’m going to try to join you for Article 5. Of those who don’t know. I’m a huge proponent of the Article 5 convention and I’ve got, I’ve got a few thoughts to share if I can, if I can make it, I will.

Well, and it’s also the realities of what’s going, you know, of certain things. Yeah, we’ll just not get ahead of ourselves. But yeah, next week’s gonna be fun. So folks, definitely be here. So, Melvin, I have, I have Ed’s email. I’m not sure I have yours. I think I do. Both of you email me@constitutionspeaker yahoo.com so I can write it down so I can make sure I re email you. Because to try to find those emails might be difficult. Just shoot me an email constitutionspeaker yahoo.com and that way I can keep you guys posted and then Warhamps are definitely see what you do because I’m, I’m Ohio.

Okay. Bill is by the way, our good friend Bill and Warhammer knows what I’m talking about. Is excited. And first thing he says, hey man, I got an extra room. You can stay here. So I should just duck a flight and surprise him. Oh, that would be, that would be fun. All three of us there. You’re not gonna, you’re not gonna make it up to New Hampshire Shire this, this trip, are you? No, I’m not gonna be able to do this time. But in October I plan to if you’re still around. I just, I just picked up on that new Hamstershire you’re quick one run.

Yeah, well, yeah, I’m about sharp as a marble today, but all good. Well, well, as sharp as a marble, sharp as aoc. Yeah, it’s about the same. Okay. Yes, exactly. Thanks for allowing me to. No, it’s always a pleasure to have you here as we talk about the Constitution. I’m gonna get to talk about Lyndon Baines Johnson here in about a half an hour, and I need to go. I’m gonna get some coffee and wake up a little bit. So that. I should have done that before this, but LBJ is totally innocent. Anything to do with the JFK assassination, right? Oh, yeah.

Oh, we’re doing comedy now. Are you guys familiar with the Wink? Apparently not. So if you go. Go and do. Just do a Google search for Lyndon Johnson wearing in and then wink. And there was. So when he. Here, I’ll share this picture real quick. I just love the stories about how LBJ liked to walk around the White House naked and made people follow him into the bathroom while he was doing his business. And guy had absolutely zero modesty. And as a Texan, I’m offended by a lot of the personal stories of lbj, because we do raise gentlemen there.

So anyway, he. He was a. When he got sworn in. Let me see here if I can find it dirty. No, I’m not even gonna. I. I’ll just do it this way. This is a whole lot faster improvisation, folks. You gotta love it. Images, and then I want to make them. Melvin says, ron, if my dad was here, he would really like your LBJ show. He hated that man. I’m not a fan myself. Okay. He’s in my five worst presence in history list for sure. Let’s see. Someone as he was being sworn. No. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

That’s not it. He didn’t know. He didn’t wink at anybody. But. Okay, so here is. Here is. Here’s LBJ when he gets sworn in. All right, Go down here. I want him in. I want you to pay attention to that guy. All right? Immediately following. Immediately following, he gives him a big old wink and a smile. Like, good job. It’s done. Winking a smirk. So. And who was that? I don’t know who that was. I don’t know his name. I’ve never really, like, delved into it. But, um. But that was somebody. Somebody brought that to my attention quite a while ago, and I just.

I. I always found that very interesting. It’s like, that’s one of those things. Why. Why would anybody smile and wink at that moment in time. And if they didn’t know that that was the, that was going to be the ultimate outcome if everything had gone right. I mean, that’s just that. That’s me just thinking logically. So are you suggesting there’s some unanswered questions regarding the JFK assassination? Oh, I would never suggest that. Okay, just making sure. I don’t want to. I can’t be on a show with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. No, there are suggestions that that wink was either misinterpreted.

I, I’ve actually seen this before and there’s suggestions that it was either misinterpreted or, or. And one, one argument was that when you go through the whole roll of the film, the wink doesn’t appear. But yet it’s in a still photo. How is that possible? Not on film, but it’s in the still photo. Now that said that person could, could be lying. I still haven’t done all my conference. I’m just suggesting that there are other stories. There’s always many stories. Well, I mean. Okay, so do you, you remember the, you remember that it was called. It was, it was a series that came out and said killed Kennedy.

And it was like a six part series. And then they came out with like three more parts later. So it was a total of nine parts. And it was like the one guy, he’s a. He. The one guy, he said he saw the, the guy on the grassy knoll and he, he said that he started getting all choked up. He’s like, oh, if you just saw, if you told me you’re going to show me this, I probably wouldn’t have agreed to come do this interview or whatever there. I tend to think that that whole thing, that whole series was, that was just, that was too, it was too well done.

It was too well produced. To me, it seemed all about production. Yeah, they’re really good at making productions. It was way too, it was way too polished of a production and, you know, and, and you know, drawing attention to the CIA and stuff like that, so. And the Dallas Police Department. One last thing before we go because I gotta get off. When it comes to productions and more specifically, J6. Are you gentlemen familiar with Dan Caldwell and Jeff McKellar? Caldwell, his name. I know. Okay. I saw these two gentlemen on Real America’s Voice, the. How was that called? The Cowboy show.

Something Cowboy show. Cowboy Logic. They were on. The Cowboy Logic host decided to just let them run the show and they exposed a lot of interesting information that they’re trying to get out There. And, and. And they showed some camera footage that I hadn’t seen regarding J6 and all that and how. And they had some inform. Some testimony about how once people started arriving, how the capital police of five particular ones were going out of the way to try to agitate the crowd. And it was. It was fascinating. So I’m trying to see if I can get a copy.

Cowboy. Cowboy logic was on March 9th. They. They were on cowboy logic. I just was just flipping through the channels, turned it on, and it was just starting. And cowboylogic.com website let melogic us. Let me. But so when it comes to J6, my wife has always believed me, but after watching that, she’s like, holy cow. I mean, these guys. Okay, so here’s the cowboy logic channel. And you said it was what, March 9th. This is 3 8, 3 15. 3 1. 3 1, 313 1. Or at least when I was watching, it was March 9th. Hey, Ron, while you’re looking for that, I got something for you.

Whether or not it was recorded prior to that, I don’t know. Oh, here they are. There they are. J6 subject matter experts. Right. And. And also the. The picture to the right of them also. Okay. Yeah, that’s the one. You got it. Okay, so. So they did it on 38 and it showed up on. On real america’s Voice on the 9th, apparently. So I will paste that link into the live chat for those of you who want to see it, and I will. And then I’ll send it. Yeah, real quick. The person on the plane that winked was on air force one was a guy by the name of albert jack thomas, a democrat u.

S. Representative from Texas’s 8th congressional district. So there’s a democrat congressman. Well, we all know that Kennedy was not very popular down in the south at all. So anyway, that’s. We. There’s. There’s. There’s a lot of things that I could get into on jfk and I’m just gonna just leave it alone for right now, so. Because I need to get some. I need to get some coffee. I’ve got 20 minutes to get some coffee and grab something to eat real quick and then do show with mike. So any you guys want to give out where people can find you, I’ll go first.

Go ahead. Go to rumble and search for war hamster. War space hamster. You’ll find a whole bunch of videos, some with Ron and Doug and some with some other fun guests where we do everything from constitution to skull and bones and secret societies. And you can Always as you see on the screen. Get me at war underscore hamster 1776 on X and on true social at war underscore hamster douglasvigibs.com I’ve been doing some videos got. I need to do a couple more. I’ve started also starting this morning I’m gonna start doing some aggregator post also on my political pistachio.com blog which you can also find at DouglasV.

Gibbs.com I am starting to get back into public speaking. It looks like I’ll be public speaking in central Oregon pretty soon. I’ve got a couple events down south and for those of you who are in California, Southern California, May, what is it the 3rd. May 3rd, Saturday I am going to be at the Independence hall there at Buena Park. We’re going to do our tour again like we do every year and I’ll be out there for that. I might even get convinced Ron to come out and join us. Independence hall in the. And Berry Farm right across street from the park.

And it is an exact replica of the one. Yeah, it’s, it’s a, it’s a one to one replica. Exactly. I, you know, I always remember the story when I, when I went back to Philadelphia it was, it was crazy because they, they had it closed. They had Independence hall closed. But I told the guy that I was, I mean I was, I’m only here for today. And he, and it was me and one other guy that were kind of like, you know, we, we wanted to go and see it and he’s like well come on and I’ll take you in.

And so we got our own private tour of. Yeah, yeah. Last time I was in Washington D.C. i was supposed to go over there for an event and then the, the event got canceled, changed. I can’t remember what happened. It was two couple years ago. But one of the things that we are going to do probably, probably next year is do a trip just for that get out there. But. Well, I want to go back. I want to go back because I want to go see my ship which is a museum across the river. Yep. So yeah, I want to go back and see that.

Yeah. My ship was sold to Taiwan and changed its name to something else. And then my other ship was target practice and sunk. So. So for some reason has more historical significance. Yeah, because it was like, it was like, you know, the I, the Iowa class was like the, the Iowa class battleships were. I mean they were state of the art and they still were probably the best battleships ever built by any country ever even better than the Yamada was. Amazing. The Yamada was an amazing ship. But, yeah, you had those 18 inch guns, but, you know, but outside of that, the, you know, the, the, the Iowa class could keep up with the carriers, and that was the whole point.

So. Anyway, I’ll leave it at that. All right. All right, guys. Thank you, Joe. Enjoy your evening. Yeah, thanks for, thanks for popping in. More hamster. Good to have. Good to have you here. And I’ll see all you guys here in about 15 minutes. So until then, cheers. Soon. Later.
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