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âž¡ The text discusses how the internet, initially seen as a tool for democratizing information, has been dominated by large corporations like Google. These corporations control access to information and can manipulate what users see for profit, leading to issues like shadow banning and promoting extremism to keep users engaged longer. The text also criticizes the manipulation of information to create division and conflict, using the example of differing search results based on user profiles. Lastly, it emphasizes the need for understanding and unity among people, regardless of geographical boundaries.
âž¡ The text discusses the power of blockchain technology to decentralize ownership and protect user data. It also highlights the importance of human input in AI technology, as AI can only understand and generate content based on human input. The text further emphasizes the value of data, stating that it’s the most valuable asset on Earth. Lastly, it introduces a product called the Love Pod, which can turn devices into satellite devices, secure data, and harmonize EMF frequencies with the body.
âž¡ The speaker discusses the evolution of technology, from early internet chatrooms to Facebook and the concept of the metaverse. They also talk about the value of cryptocurrency and blockchain, suggesting that it’s not just about storing value, but creating it. They propose a shift in thinking about money, suggesting that everyone should be productive and that productivity should result in money. They also discuss the idea of individuals creating a basic income from their own data, rather than relying on government handouts.
âž¡ The text discusses the genius of Steve Jobs, particularly his creation of the graphical user interface (GUI) which made computers accessible to everyone. It compares this to the speaker’s own work, aiming to make complex systems like cryptocurrency more user-friendly. The speaker emphasizes the importance of evolution over revolution, making small changes that lead to big impacts. The text also discusses the value of user data and the idea of giving ownership back to the users.
âž¡ The text discusses the use of blockchain technology to store and sell user data in a transparent and decentralized way. It also touches on the controversy surrounding the shutdown of Parler by AWS, suggesting it was a strategic move to favor Twitter. The conversation further delves into the manipulation of information by big tech companies for profit and ideological reasons, and the potential benefits of a decentralized marketplace where the focus is on the product and the consumer.
âž¡ The speaker discusses the control of the food industry by a few companies and the impact on health, suggesting a decentralized approach could incentivize healthier behavior. They also discuss the idea of decentralizing industries using blockchain technology, allowing individuals to earn rewards for their actions. The speaker criticizes centralized power and advocates for a free market approach. They also promote the use of ‘nodes’ in the Optio Community, which allow individuals to earn rewards and support principles like free speech and access to capital.
âž¡ Investing $10 a month in crypto nodes could be a good move. It’s not just about the potential financial return, but also about supporting a good idea and helping it grow. This investment helps expand the Parlor ecosystem, which would otherwise need significant funding from shareholders. Essentially, you’re investing in yourself and the concept of Parlor.
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Explore a range of transformative products from the Heal capsule shielding you from harmful EMFs to the quantum block allowing you to infuse frequencies into your cherished possessions. Dive into the realm of innovation and wellness@sarawestall.com shop or by following the link below. Welcome to business Game Changers. I’m Sarah Westall. I have Brian Ferry coming to the program today. He is the architect, the designer of the Optio blockchain network and he’s going to talk about what that is and Parler runs on that, but so do other things, other applications, all sorts of things. He’s also the vice chairman at Parler.
But this was such an amazing conversation. We’re going to talk about broader concepts here and the history of blockchain and how it originates back in the 60s with Arpanet and what they were doing with it there. And then we talk about AI and just bring all those concepts back to the ground. The marketing people hear these concepts, they don’t really understand it and they turn it into something that’s bigger than it is. Same with all the media people. They don’t understand it and so they turn it into this concept that is just not really what it is.
And so it’s so refreshing to talk to somebody that understands all this, you know, coming from my background. And we talk about that a little bit. And for my substack, I wrote a book, I didn’t really read it. It’s a book with. About Kels Wilson who patented blockchain before the Japanese guy that didn’t six months before he. It’s just a data structure. It was a type of data structure. He patented the idea six months before they did. And we did a book about it. And so it was, I talked about the. Who really came up with blockchain? Apparently Arpanet came up with an idea that was similar to blockchain too back in the 60s.
So it really wasn’t all that revolutionary. But for my substack I will find that book and for my subscribers I’ll let you have access to that as well. And if you want to see that, go to sarah westall.substack.com and you can see that original book that I did. It’s really the interview that I did with Kels Wilson and then I wrote an intro to it. But it gives you an idea of what blockchain really is. And but you know, since then, you know, since that data structure, it’s evolved. It’s a distributed data structure is all it really is.
And then it, it’s evolved past that. And you know, you have people like Reggie Middleton, which we talk a little bit in this interview too, who really came up with the idea of decentralized finance. And we’re going to talk about why. Gives you a better idea of why from how the world is structured, how that can change how we operate and live. And it’s a 180 degree opposite from what the communists are trying to do, which is the centralized hell nightmare. They see the problem, but their solution is hell. Right? I mean, it’s just awful. This is.
We see the problem, two guys. But this is a distributed, constitutionalist, freedom oriented solution to it that most people, except the most greedy, ugliest among us would like. It fits our constitution, it fits freedom, it fits the free market. We have this conversation, but it’s hard. It’s going to be a paradigm shift for people to start to think in these ways and let’s see if we can get there because you know, society and humanity could thrive if we start thinking differently about how we operate. So this was a fantastic conversation. I really enjoyed it. Again, you can go to sarawestall.substack.com and see the article that I am publishing with this and also if you are interested in buying a parlor node, we talk about parlor nodes.
It’s only a thousand dollars to get on the ground floor. They have a whole cryptocurrency behind their system and behind platforms. And I bought two of them. Two parlor nodes. If you want to buy one as well. I’ll have the link below for you. Okay, let’s get into this fantastic conversation I have with Brian Ferry. Hi, Brian. Welcome to the program. Hey, thank you. I’m doing good. How you doing? I’m doing good. I. We had a really good pre. Conversation. I’m really excited now for this, this conversation. I think people are going to enjoy it. Talk a little bit before we get started, what, what you’re doing, what your role is, and then I want to dive into just what it all means to humanity.
Yeah, yeah. So I’ll just give you a little bit of a history. I owned a software development company for almost 25 years. And in 2015, my family went through probably the hardest thing we’ve ever gone through. My wife passed away at the age of 40, completely unexpectedly. And in the wake of that, it was determined that her doctors had made a mistake and they had not been sharing data with each other. And that led to this catastrophic event in her life. And so sort of in the wake of that, I decided I was going to turn my attention to a way to solve that problem, right? To where doctors could be sharing data, which led me down a path to blockchain.
And blockchain, because of its unique, immutable, and the way that the data is storage stored, individual patients could own and control their medical history. Right. And so that was the first project that I built using an underlying blockchain. And as that evolved, I decided that I was in my early 50s. And so I got one more hurrah in me. And so I decided that I wanted to take on one of the biggest problems that I was seeing at the time, and that was this sort of evolution of big tech sort of owning all of our data and being, you know, monetizing it, using advanced artificial intelligence to create these digital twins and then sell those to the highest bidder.
And so I looked at that and I said, well, how do you disrupt that? How do you change that? And really, the only way you can do it is to decentralize. You know, it’s not. It’s not like Mark Zuckerberg is evil because he collects all your data and sells it. He has a legal fiduciary responsibility to his shareholders to make as much money as he Can. Right. And so, so I decided that I was going to take that on and I designed a blockchain from the ground up, wrote a white paper and talked about how if we decentralized ownership of the data and gave the ownership back to the users, then you could really create a platform for free and unfettered speech, freedom of expression, freedom of creativity.
And so, yeah, so I built this blockchain and put it out into the world. And now we have applications that have the same values, the same core values that are integrating to that. Is that blockchain the optimum Optio? Yeah, yeah, Optio. You created Optio. Okay, that’s amazing. You know, I, and I was telling you before, I wrote a book back with Kels Wilson, he’s the one that, he patented blockchain before the guy in Japan, like six months before that. And then I published a book with him on that interview. And. But, you know, as we were talking, because it’s a distributed data structure is really what it is.
It’s not that. Yeah, it’s not that big of a deal. Although it’s innovative in the sense that it can solve a lot of problems in a distributed way, but it’s just a data structure. But, you know, in talking to you, you said, well, this, Sarah, is not even as innovative as that because it was back in the 60s they were talking about things like this. Can you talk about it? Because I think people need this, this stuff needs to come back down to earth. You know, we talk about the marketing, people take these ideas and they, they don’t understand them.
Right. But they, and then they market it as bigger than can be and then people see it as different than it is instead of just this down to earth basic thing that can be utilized to do kind of amazing stuff. But talk about the 60s and what they came up with. Well, yeah, so the early 60s, of course, DARPA was working on what. On what we now know as the Internet. And Stanford was kind of the Mecca of computer science at the time. And there was, there was a guy, Dr. Merkle. Merkle designed a, an alternative data structure that became known as a Merkle tree.
And the Merkle tree, essentially, to really bring it down to the simplest form, a Merkle tree is just a way to validate data that this data was put in on this date. And I’m going to put it across a network of different databases and those databases have to agree that that’s what happened on that day. Right. And so it’s been interesting as I, as I’ve sort of worked in the blockchain space and worked with blockchain people. They talk about the blockchain as though it’s like this special thing that is, you know, going to change the world.
And Gaga. Gaga. It’s the same kind of stuff people used to say about the Internet in 1995. Right. The Internet is going to democratize information and get. Make it so everyone has access, which it did in large part. But if we look at how the Internet evolved, we have these big megalithic multinational corporations that own all the data they own. Google owns access to all information. Right. They got themselves wedged in there. It’s a public network though. Right. I mean, it’s. That’s right. We had private networks. And then it was like, okay, we need to create a public network.
It became a public network and they call the dark web. But the dark web is just all the private networks that Google doesn’t manage. So the whole notion of dark web is all BS2. It’s like. That’s right. It’s just so crazy. But Google got themselves wedged in there to control the entire public network. Yeah. And access to it. Right. They don’t necessarily control the network, but they control your access to it. Yeah, that’s a better way to say it. And there’s prob. I think that’s problematic because, you know, if you get shadow banned as a content creator, for example, then they’re deciding.
Yeah, they’re deciding who gets to hear what messaging or who even more importantly is, for example, important research in peptide sciences. For example, the general medical community has said, you know, peptides, we don’t want to talk about peptides. We don’t want peptides available to the public. And what we’re now finding out is these peptides, these peptide formulas are very, very good for human beings. Right. And I’m not a conspiracy guy, but the big pharma guys don’t want you to be well, they want you to be sick. That’s how they make lots and lots of money. So what’s happened just.
And this is just one example, is Google has shadow banned peptide sciences. You go, you go and try to. Yeah, you go try to do research on it, and it’s. You can’t find it. They shadow, ban and censor people who are just telling basic truths and trying to get. And. And they also are magnifying dissent on both sides, like extremism on both sides. So if you’re telling basic truths, you communicate well with just the average person and you kind of bring it all down. To Earth. You’re the type of people they censor. Yes. And, you know, there are a lot of people, I think, that believe they do that because they’re ideologues.
They want you to believe the way they believe. And I’m here to tell you, that’s not why they do it. The reason they do it is they make money. The longer you’re engaged, the more. That’s right. The more posts you see, the more videos you watch, the more money they make. And if they, if they post stuff, if they show you stuff that you totally agree with, that you’re totally on board with, you get on for five minutes and you go, oh, everything’s fine. The whole world is right in alignment with me, and you’re off. But if they post, if they show you stuff and deliver content to you, that is going to make you mad and make you, you know, I’m up in arms.
I’m literally. You’re gonna stay on longer. This is just a, this is just psychology. That, that’s all it is. That’s why the extremes are being propped up, because it keeps people going longer. That’s right. We’re, it’s, it’s a vicious cycle. We’re our own biggest enemy. They want to make money, so they’re using our, the psychology against us. Yeah. And, and that they are also. And again, they’re only doing it for profit purposes. It’s not because they want to control the world and control the conversation and they, they’re just doing it to make money. That’s. Well, there are some people that are engaged, like the, the Google partnering with the World Health Organization.
And some of that stuff is more at the conspiratorial level. And then there’s the everyday stuff that’s a profit. Yeah. Yeah. So. But they are also partnering with the, the other side of the thought process. That’s what I’m saying is they. What they don’t tell you what they, what they tell you because of who you are. They tell you that they’re partnering with the who and you’re like, oh, how could they do that? Right. And if I’m totally for the whole. They are never telling me that. They’re telling me the opposite of that. They’re showing to me something along the lines of Google thinks that the WHO is bad.
Right. They go the other. Do they have that somewhere? Because I would like to see that. Yeah, you’re going to have to log in as a fake user because as long as they know it’s you looking, they’re going to show you what they want you to see. That is incredible because that. The psychology to that extreme is. I mean, that should be outlawed, right? I mean, we should. We need to get beyond this and figure this out. Because they’re lying to you. Depending on who you are, and then create. And then the foundations are wrong. So if one group sees Google is against the World Health Organization, the other group sees Google, you know, because I have documents showing Google actually partnered with them.
If there really is information showing that they’re against them, I’d like to see that because that kind of manipulation should be illegal. I completely agree. And I actually did. When I was writing the white paper for the Optio blockchain, I did a bunch of research on this and I happened to be what I like to call just the normal guy, which means that I have friends on the left and I have friends on the right. Because normal people don’t make friendships based upon whether you’re on the right or the left. Right? That’s right. And that’s right.
So we actually did some tests where we logged into each of their computers and we Googled different things and the results were entirely different based upon who they were. Wow, that’s really incredible. And that should be published. I’d love to publish a report on that. So. Because it shows you why we can’t get along if all of us are. If they’re purposely creating this division by doing it, and if it’s just profit motive, maybe. But you’re purposely creating this. You’re destroying our country is what you’re doing, and maybe even the world. By doing this, you’re destroying the world.
I’ll share an experience with you. 2019. Late in 2019, I was invited to give a speech at the World Trade center in Moscow, Russia. I’m 55 years old now. I grew up in the Cold War. I’m on the plane flying to Moscow. I’d never been to Russia before. I’m on the plane and it suddenly dawned on me that I am about to fly into the heart of the beast, right? And I was nervous. I’m like, what’s going to happen? Are they going to arrest me? They’re going to put me in jail? And I have never in my life been to a city where the people are so freaking amazing and nice and kind.
It’s BS isn’t it? Because I have contacts in Russia too, and people. It’s all b. Yes. Everything that we are told about all of this stuff. And one of the things, you know, one of the legacies that I want to leave for myself, it’ll probably be a small legacy because I’m not big rock star or anything, but one of my legacies is to teach my children that it doesn’t matter if you were born on that side of that imaginary line in the dirt. That person over there is just like you. That’s right. We’re all just people.
I think it’s literally amazing to me that we on planet Earth still have imaginary lines that were drawn in the dirt like 4,000 years ago. And we still think that those lines matter. We still think that the person that’s born on the other side of that line is different than me. Well, and we need to. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say we need to do that same break down of China too, so that we don’t start wars. Right. I mean we need to break all. Everywhere in the world. Everywhere in the world. And it.
So for me, one of the things that is so powerful about the Optio blockchain and blockchain in general, is its ability to decentralize ownership. Right. It’s. If you look at Zuckerberg’s company, Meta Meta has hundreds of thousands of shareholders. Those shareholders have. They have an expectation for return on their investment. If we stand projects up like social media and streaming video and all of these different kinds of things that people want, need and are and benefit from. If we do it in a way that there are no shareholders, there aren’t, there’s nobody to. To demand profits, then we don’t have to be, then we’re not motivated to do things, to leverage our users, to sell our users data.
Just pausing really quick to share this with you. This is the Love Pod. It’s an amazing new product that’s available. It turns up to nine devices into satellite devices, but not just in like a satellite phone where it only does texts and calling and maybe does text mostly just calling. This is a full blown device where you can do web surfing and video and everything. But what makes it so remarkable isn’t just if the grid goes down and turns all your devices into satellite devices. It also takes the frequency and turns it into a frequency that harmonizes with your body.
What does that mean? EMFs are everywhere and we’re in this toxic soup of danger. It’s pollution. It destroys or it hurts you at a cellular level. This changes that and makes the EMF harmonize with your body. So it’s frequencies that are not doing that that works well with your body, but it does even more. It’s Also a vpn, so all of your data is secure and nobody can access it. And the more people that use it, the faster it is because it works on a distributed mesh network. I know that sounds complicated, but it’s not that bad.
The more of these that are out there, the faster it gets. It’s only $200 plus a data package, so you can have peace of mind knowing all your devices will work, even in a grid down situation. And it’s private and it doesn’t hurt your body. So check it out. Makes a perfect Christmas gift. Now, user data, behavioral data, what I like, what I am afraid of, what I love, all of that data. It’s the most valuable asset on planet Earth because if humans weren’t here, gold would be worthless. If humans weren’t on planet Earth, nothing would have a value.
It would literally just be here. And so what we care about, what we value, what we decide is worth something, that’s the most valuable thing on planet Earth. And these, these big tech data companies, they have a massive amounts of data. You and I talked about AI before we started the show. And if you listen to the pundits and if you listen to even the people that are promoting AI products, they’re talking like it’s going to change, take over the world. Like these AI robots are going to destroy us and. Yeah, but, but what’s funny is the AI stuff that we have right now, maybe it’ll change in the future, but what we have right now is a language model, basically a system of understanding what humans talk about and how they talk about it.
It’s a distributed data. I mean, it’s essentially a data that goes around, traverses around and does it fast and figures it out what’s in there. And it, and it’s only all it knows. My point is all the AI knows is what human beings came up with. Yeah. So if we don’t, we still need to. Because I, I had somebody send me an email earlier today and I obviously it was an AI bot that created the email. They used an app they want me to bring. I get people always trying to get people to come on my show, right.
And they used an episode and you could tell it was an AI that did it because the episode didn’t match the person they want on the show at all. And I’m like, this is terrible. So unless you actually have a human being developing the concepts, it’s not going to be good. It’s only going to be the concepts of all the humans coming together accumulated over time. It’s funny about a. It was probably about a year ago, I wrote a book about how AI is terrible at writing and doing email marketing. Each I had different chapters. Email marketing, social media, posting.
I wrote this whole book about how AI is not good at it. Right. And I had. AI wrote the whole book. Book. And AI wrote the book for you. AI wrote the entire book. But was the book written? I mean, was the book good? Yeah, the book was good. It just. I’ll send you a copy. It’s hilarious. It’s hilarious because people. What it did is. It read people complaining about how email is bad and then that’s what it parsed through all that and then summarized that. Yeah, and that’s the whole point. Right. AI. AI can be a very powerful thing.
For example, and you’ll hear me, you’ll hear me go back to our health a lot because I’m a big proponent of health. That’s a big area. I’m talking mental health and physical health. And so you’ll hear me talk about that a lot. There are AI models now that you can talk to. Literally just talk to the AI and it can analyze biomarkers in the inflections in your voice and tell you if you are deficient in certain minerals. That’s powerful stuff. Well, and that’s the Sherry Edwards stuff. I don’t know if you know who Sherry Edwards is.
She created the field of bioacoustics, which is what that’s all based on. And she has over 500,000 data points. She’s a gold mine of information. That’s like a predecessor to what is capable of happening. Yes. If we totally implement what she has available. But that’s awesome that they have that. Yeah, yeah. I. Back in 1999, this is kind of a side story, but it’ll tie right into what we’re talking about. I had the opportunity to meet an executive team and they came to us. I was running a big interactive shop. You know, it was the height of the dot com bubble.
If you had dot com in your name and you were well funded and often racist. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. We had a guy come to us and he, he said, I’ve got this brilliant idea. I’m going to put a. An online store up and I’m going to sell products online. But I’m not going to make any money selling products. I’m just going to collect consumer choice, consumer behavior, and then I’m going to target them based upon what they bought in the past. And we all told him that was the dumbest idea ever. Like, you should never do that.
Well, it was Jeff Bezos and his team at Amazon, right. They created the very. The large world’s largest retailer based upon data. Not based upon, you know, the best products for the best price. It was data. And. And that’s when I said the data is the most valuable thing. That’s what. That’s why. Right. And back in the 90s, when we were doing all the late 90s, or actually, yeah, it was 90s. Oh, my God, 90s already. We were doing that big data model for the Internet. We knew that back then, too. Yeah. So I worked on a project in that same time frame.
It was called gather round.com and we took it to our client, we said, we got this really great idea and it’s a big day to play. What, what we’re going to do is we’re going to let users sign up for an account, which in 99, signing up for an account was a big deal. Like, we had just figured out how to do that. Right. And yeah, so they would sign up for an account and that would bring them to this kind of homepage and they would be able to take the photos of their kids and scan them because, you know, we didn’t have digital cameras yet.
And they would scan them and then they could post them onto a page and they would invite their friends and family to gather round. That was the entire idea. And they, our clients said, this is the dumbest thing ever. Nobody, nobody will ever do this. Right. And then, of course, in 2006, Facebook came out. And I gave a speech in 2002 at a conference that was being held in Salt Lake City. I gave this speech and I said in the speech, I said, in the future, the very near future, all, all users of the Internet will surrender all of their, their private data.
They’ll no longer be concerned about whether someone is watching them through the window of their house. And everyone was scoffing me. These reporters came up afterwards and, you know, they’re like, this is. There’s no way this is ever going to happen. People care about their privacy. And, and six years later, people are literally posting on Facebook. I just left my house. I’m on the way to the airport. Airport. I won’t be home for a week. Right. Well, well, I was working with people that were doing Gopher. It was, it was at the University of Minnesota. It was a predecessor to Facebook.
Gopher and Panda was at the University of Iowa. That was all a predecessor to Facebook. And then IRC was the first chat thing you know, I was on it when there was a hundred people on it, but I wrote a paper. It’s so fun talking to someone like you. I wrote a paper back in the middle, like 1995 that describe what meta is today, like what meta will be like, not the meta universe and how we will eventually be in this meta universe thing. And, and I Now, and then 20 years later, people started talking about it and it’s, it’s pretty cool.
Yeah. And, and honestly, you know, when, when I talk about blockchain and this, this concept of an alternative way to transact cryptocurrency, if you want to call it that, I think that’s the dumbest name. I don’t know who came up with that, but, but it’s an alternative way to transact. But more importantly, it’s an, it’s an alternative way to create value, right? So many people think about money as this money is a way for me to pay for things. And they don’t, they don’t stop and ask themselves very often because this is how this, we’ve become consumers, right? They very rarely stop and think, what is the value of this $10 and am I getting a good exchange, right? Is the thing that I’m buying.
Like, for example, we, we buy cars. I’m very good at buying cars. My wife says I have to buy a new car every two years and it drives her crazy. We know they’re not worth $100,000, but we so freely just, just sign the dotted line, right? And when you think about the crypto world or cryptocurrency, you have to ask yourself what’s creating the value, right? Because if I say to you that a bitcoin, by the way, today worth $95,000, what created that value? What is the value of it? The value of it is I want it and you have it, right? That’s, that’s the only value is that there is a supply and demand feature to it, right? Which, if we, if we thought about our dollar in that same way, the supply and demand, if it was only based on supply and demand, we would absolutely be enraged that our government is creating trillions of them every year, right? Because they’re just creating this massive supply.
So for me, the value of blockchain and crypto is not that I can get it and put it in an account and watch it go up in value. The value of it is that I can get it and turn it into value. Now I want you to think about this. Elon Musk made a suggestion several Months ago that because of AI and because of how fast technology is advancing, we’re going to have a problem with middle market jobs because it’ll eliminate a lot of middle market jobs. So he suggested that. That we ought to have a basic income for everyone, on everyone in America.
The middle market jobs have been going away for a while. It just might accelerate because we were automating. I know people hate this, but we would take an organization that have 100 people and we could bring it down to four people because they were so weighted. I mean, you could automate all of it, right? Yes. I’m sorry, but that’s the reality. And now it’s on superdrive. Those are a lot of higher middle people. And so he’s documenting what’s been going on for a long time. Yeah, yeah. Most. Most of our, most of our lives it’s been going on.
Yes. Right. So. So he suggested that there should be a basic income. Where does basic income money come from? It, it comes from the government creating it. Right. But what if that basic income. What if I could create a basic income for my family based upon my behavioral data? Facebook sells my. Facebook sells my data for lots and lots of money. So if I could control that, if I could be in charge of that and I could monetize it, now I have. Now I have the ability to create a basic income just based upon what I’m doing every day anyway.
Now we don’t. I like that better. Stimulate the economy with new dollars. I like that better. Economy with value. I like that better. I don’t like universal basic income. I’m just going to throw that out there. And maybe that’s what you’re saying too here. Yeah, it would be, it would be. That’s what I mean. It would. It would essentially overnight de. Incent everybody to do anything and it would destroy. It would destroy the world. That’s how I see it. Yeah. And, and so you’re coming up with another way that the average person can make some money by owning their own data.
And we would. And, and their experience. Owning their experience. Right. So. And, and think of it, think of it this way, right? If we look at what are the things that we do in life to generate money, right. Most of us go to a job, some of us get on shows like this. We, we travel around the world and we speak at events. And, and that is how we generate money. But very rarely, very rarely does that money translate into, I have enough of it. Right. Because now I got to go to work. No matter how much money you have, no matter how much it is.
And, and so when you think about this concept of, of everyone needs to have money, we need to think about money in a different way. And so I’m going to say it, I’ll put it this way. Everyone needs to have money is a false premise. What the true premise is, is everyone needs to be productive. If everyone was productive and the result of being productive was money, and that’s how we measured the money, then we wouldn’t have this massive gap in wealth. We wouldn’t have the need to stimulate the economy. Every time the government, the government or, you know, a politician says we need to do a stimulus package to stimulate the economy, I think they use that word because it sounds like a positive thing.
Stimulating the economy basically means the economy is stagnant and it’s not being productive. So therefore we’re going to fake it, Right? Well, you’re going to have to reap. I mean, this is a paradigm shift is we’ve been living our whole life thinking money, so it have to be a paradigm shift. And the other thing is we want people to be able to work hard towards something and be able to accumulate their house and the things that they want. Yes. And if you get rid of that incentive, then that itself will destroy innovation and things. So you need to be able to keep all of that while allowing people to live.
You know, I get people on my, When I put advertisements on my show, this is what cringe. You know, it triggers me when you start saying, but it’s important to have these conversations. I’ll get, I’ll put advertisements on my show and people get mad because information needs to be free. I’m like, well, I need to eat if you don’t want me to put a freaking advertisement on my show. First of all, I think it’s okay because I’m sharing good products. Entrepreneurs need to eat too. And they’re cool and innovative and how else are they going to get their information out there? Like your, you know, you’re, we’re going to talk about parlor nodes, but I’m like, if you’re going to send me a check for my mortgage and my food, then I’ll stop sharing this stuff.
And then that shuts up people. No one ever has responded to that. So part of me thinks those are bots. But at this, you know, to get people like me to be discouraged, I don’t know. But it is a paradigm shift. And this is important because. Because our whole survival, this is why it’s going to be hard thought about this a lot. Our whole survival is so ingrained on getting that money so we can eat and pay our mortgage that to shift the paradigm is, is going to be extremely difficult. People are going to. But it’s scary because we can’t survive, right? Yeah.
And that’s, to me, that’s what makes projects like Optio so enticing to the user. Because, you know, Steve Jobs once said, and Steve, like him or not, Steve was a genius. He was cool. I think in a lot of ways he was an asshole, part of my language, but he was cool. And I know people that work directly with them. Yeah, yeah, so do I. But one of his, he had so many different things that he was a genius about. But one of the things that he, I think is one of his greatest geniuses and very, very overlooked.
Like, everybody knows he was a brilliant product designer and he was a fantastic visionary when it came to how many people are going to need computers. But one area that I think gets overlooked is when, when he came up with. And by the way, he didn’t even come up with it, but when he decided on it, the GUI interface, the graphical user interface, and this notion that I could use a mouse to click on things, to use my computer the way that they designed that was what I refer to as evolutionary, not revolutionary. Windows at the time was trying to be revolutionary with their DOS system, right? This was before Windows.
And what Steve said was he looked at his desk and he said, okay, there’s my desk. So I’m going to call that the desktop. And my desk has some files on it and it has some folders and it’s got a pen and it’s got a calculator. There is my desk. I’m just going to put all of that on the screen so normal, everyday people could look at it and go, oh, I put things in folders. I know how that works, right? That’s why the Macintosh just went nuts, because everyone could figure it out, everyone could use it.
And so what I, When I look at what we’re doing, we aren’t revolutionary. We are evolutionary, right? We don’t. We’re not going to go to the world and say, hey, you need to learn how crypto wallets work and be able to use cold storage and be a hodler and all these crypto things that people say, and nobody on planet Earth understands them at all. The crypto world today is the DOS of the early days, which, if you, if you remember dos, you had to write, you had to know how to write programming to Use the thing.
Right. So what the way we look at it is people are using social media every day, people are going to TikTok every day, people are going to news sites all the time and they’re shopping online. We’re just going to take that and move it right into the world of an alternative way to earn and pay. Well, that’s really cool because I’m going to get back to Steve Jobs a little bit. We, when I was at Enterprise at US west, we were the first one of the. They loved us because we brought NextStep in, which is Steve.
When Steve left Jobs left Apple, he created Next and Next is now the. That operating system really became the backbone of everything. Right. And we implemented it across the whole division. And at the. Not everybody liked that, but we did it and it was revolutionary. And maybe it’s evolutionary in your mind, but what he said and what the idea was, he was it was the first one ever in the world where you could have simultaneous simultaneously UNIX system and a Microsoft system running on the same platform. I mean they did. And they also said developers should no longer have to code.
And this is where you’re going with it. I think developers shouldn’t have to code to build an application. They should be able to stay in the GUI and develop the application without having you to get to the code. And that was way back then. And I don’t know if you see that as revolutionary or not, but that’s essentially where everything went towards. Now though, the best developers in the world know that if you really want something streamlined and better, you have to get all the way down to even maybe the assembly language. Right. I mean you have to get there at some.
You can’t just. You build crap on top of crap and next thing you know you have this really crappy thing but every so often you have to rebuild it from the bottom up. But in general they’ve world can now code because it’s all at a higher level and they don’t have to mess around with stuff they don’t understand. Yeah. And so when I say yes, I totally agree. And so when I say evolutionary versus revolutionary. The most evolutionary things create the large scale revolution. That’s right, but. That’s right, but you do it through an evolution of thinking.
An evolution of thought. So I was. Everything is linear though, right? Every idea is built off something else. You don’t usually go from here all the way up to here. You start and next thing you know it becomes a revolutionary because the linear becomes so far along right from here yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. And, and the anecdote that I use for that I was, I was flying out here to Dallas a few days ago and the woman sitting next to me on the plane, and I’m guessing, I normally don’t guess women’s age, but I’m guessing somewhere in 85 to 88, she was significantly advanced in age.
And right in front of me was a two year old. And by the way, not a scenario you hope for when you get on a plane, but it was the scenario I had. And I paid particular attention to these two, you know, vastly different. The distance between that child and that woman is greater than the distance or that it’s a broader distance than from here to World War II, for example. Yeah, right. Yeah. And I don’t know if that math actually mads up, but that was going in through my head. Right. Well, there’s a, there’s five generations right there.
Right. The two year old is using an iPad to play a game and the woman was using an iPad to probably send messages to her kids. It looked like she was sending messages to kids. If, if Steve Jobs had been a revolutionary, a two year old would not be able to use his device and neither would an 82 year old. It would be somewhere in the middle because he made it so simple, so easy to do that. It’s literally intuitive in the way that we think on how to use these devices. And that’s my goal in what we’re doing in Inside Optio and across all these apps that are integrated to it is I don’t want you to have to change your behavior to benefit from what our project is doing.
Yeah, it always has to be an integrated. I, I used to work with human factors people and they, you know, they’d bring them all in and that was all that was back in the night, early 90s. And their whole thing was while we had some of the top leading people saying this is that you. Everything should be a byproduct of what you would naturally do. Right. Right. Yeah. So on average when you’re on social media, TikTok or whatever, on average those companies make between 10 and $18 per session. That you’re right on you. You’re kidding me.
So that’s what you were saying. You should be able to get that money back or at least a big chunk of it. Keep going. Yeah, give the big chunk. That’s you. You should own your. Yeah, that’s right. And that’s, that’s the core focus of what we’re doing, is it’s your behavior. Own it. Become self aware. Right. This is, this is where I get a little mystical. But become self aware and be aware of what your attention is worth. And you negotiate with the buyer. Right. And we do that through these, these social platforms. And. But we’re not asking you to do anything different than you already do.
If you spend time on YouTube and you enjoy that, or you spend time on TikTok and you enjoy that, and you shop on TikTok and you enjoy that, just do those exact same things on these apps over here. And now you own your experience and you own your data and you get to decide, do I want to sell that data to the highest bidder? Yes. Well, then, great, send me a check. Well, how. And this is parlor, right? I mean, you have a whole world that you’re creating. You also have parlor nodes, which I bought two of them, by the way.
Oh, you did? Yeah, I bought two. Yeah. And so I’m. You better make me some money on those. But how do people. Because they’re not that expensive right now. They’re like a thousand bucks and they’re gonna go up. So if you want to get on the ground floor now. No, it’s. Can you explain what nodes are so people understand? Yeah, yeah. So we’ve been talking throughout this show today, we’ve been talking about the value of your behavioral data. Well, we, we are decentralized. The platform, Parlor, Play, TV Burst, all of these apps are decentralized, meaning they’re owned by the users.
Right. Our investors that acquired Parler and stood it back up, they are decentralizing it. Give the ownership of the data back to the users. Now, the way that we do that, we have to do it in a trustless way. Because if the users are saying to themselves, okay, I’m going to give you access to my data and I’m going to allow you to sell it. They have to trust and believe that we’re actually doing that. Right? We’re actually taking that data and putting it in a place where it can be sold and you get the money.
If we didn’t do it in a decentralized way, then why would they trust that they would literally be like, oh, I’m sure they got more money on me today. You know what I mean? So, so we decided to implement and integrate blockchain. So what happens is all the user data, the behavioral data, how many things you liked, how many things you didn’t like, how many times you shared, you posted, all of that data gets broadcast across a blockchain. The Optio blockchain. And that data, because it’s a blockchain, is immutable. So. And it’s transparent. So every day you can go and look and see the data.
I can’t see that it’s you, but I can see that the data is there. That data is broadcast across this network of nodes. Nodes are software servers, basically. They’re. They’re a. The easy way to say is it’s a. It’s a server. But who owns the server? Well, if you know the history of Parler. Parler was turned off by AWS. AWS just. They just decided one day to silence 20 million people. Right. Well, that was a political decision, but go ahead. I. Yeah, I. Actually we could. You don’t think. So you think it might be profit because they didn’t want you to grow? We.
At the time. It was right before the election. Yeah. At the time, Parler was the fastest growing and most downloaded app in the App Store. And it was places like. And I, you know, it’s different now, but places like Twitter and, and I can’t remember the other one, what it was called, but they were losing users really, really fast. And I believe, of course, I have no evidence of this. I believe AWS said to themselves, parler is taking off and going crazy and we want Twitter’s business so we can win. Win over Twitter by turning off Parler.
Well, maybe, but it was right. I. It was. Everybody said it was a right wing thing. Oh yeah. The timing was right before the election. So I don’t know. I think they used that multiple agendas. It could be multiple agendas. It. As an excuse. And I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I mean, Parlor. Parlor is. Tends to be more conservative voices. Right. And we, and I stand like I’m a constitutionalist at heart. I believe that. Yeah, I believe that. That our fundamental right to express ourselves is the most important and most sacred thing that we have.
So I’m proud to be a part of Parler and I’m proud of the fact that we don’t silence people, we don’t censor people, we don’t let them be jerks. We, you know, if you’re. There has to be a way to deal with that too. Yeah, yeah. We, we moderate you. If you’re threatening to kill people, you. You get silenced. Right. Because that’s not, that’s not cool. In fact, fact, we have a rewards mechanism that’s built into the Optio blockchain. So the more impact you make, the more Optio rewards you Earn. It’s kind of like a frequent flyer program.
But how do you keep the extremes? Like, I mean, like Andrew Tate, who’s a clown. I mean, if I didn’t expose on him. He’s awful. I mean, people. If people still like the guy, you got to look at my expose. All with his own words, all with his own videos about how he’s taking advantage of people. He has 60 million followers. So they. They, you know, I’m being suppressed, but he’s being propped up. There’s no way. Yeah. You know, and so that’s disgusting. That someone like me is to suppress when someone like him is elevated. How are you going to keep that from happening? So I’m gonna.
I’m gonna oversimplify this. Okay. The fact that he has that following goes right back to what I was talking about earlier with the psychology of how our minds work. Right? A lot. I don’t know how many. I would quote a percentage, and it would be totally made up. But I would say 80% of people that follow people like that do it for entertainment and because they disagree with what he says more than they agree. Right. I don’t know. Because a lot of these boys. I get it, but that’s human nature. I’m telling you. Human nature is we want to defend and fight before we want to love and be free.
Okay, Now I’m going to challenge your profit thing. I published a thing on the fda, and I know it got a ton of views because Twitter sent over thousands and thousands and then they decreased the view count. I proved it because I had pictures. I. Pictures of how many Twitter sent over and how much they showed as the view count. It was on the FDA and how they legalized or they changed their statutes to allow them to give shots without your consent. It’s in the statutes. I just quoted it directly. LinkedIn took it down and Twitter suppressed it.
Okay? That’s not profit. That’s pure political stuff. Because people wanted to see this, I agreed. And. And when I was saying that it’s for. For profit, they. They do. They have become. And this is why I decided to take this challenge on is they have become ideologues. And they have. They do think that they. But, But. But in the beginning, it wasn’t that. It was always based. Facebook employs psychologists to build. To help design their algorithms based upon how our. How human psyche works. So. So it began as. As a profit thing, but I think what’s happened over.
Especially over the last eight years, what’s happened is this shift away from traditional Media to most people get all their information online now, look, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Right? That’s right. And so that, that’s what I think has happened in these, these big tech oligarchs is they, they now think they have a moral obligation to, you know, run and publish based upon their ideology. So, so I don’t disagree with that. But it’s even, I would say it’s even more sinister than that because, like, it was something where I’m publishing the truth on what the FDA did with their statutes, where they, they.
There’s a video of this woman. She’s the head of the New York Health. I don’t remember exactly your title at the point. Mitt Romney standing right behind her. And when they’re putting this through, she says, we don’t ask what’s in our cancer shots before we get it. We just roll up our sleeves and we take it. Why do we need to know what’s in our, our shots? She said that. It’s horrifying. Yeah. And, and so it’s not just them. They were deciding that people should see this truth. And that is a scary thing. That means that there’s something more going on.
But go ahead. I, I’m a conspiracy theorist there, because I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want the, that truth out to the public. Well, you and I could, I could talk for hours on this subject. Literally. I know the whole. Another can of worms. But it’s important. No, I, I think it’s, it’s. And it’s critically important. So I’m going to go back to my personal story real quick. My wife died from a condition that the FDA has, in my view, made to. They’ve made a joke out of it. My wife died from obstructive sleep apnea. Most people that have it don’t even spend five seconds thinking about is this a bad thing that I have? Right.
It’s snoring. Right. But that, I believe has come directly from the fda, because the FDA wants to tell you that heart disease is the leading killer of all diseases. Right. They want to tell you that because it’s really, really expensive for you to take care of your heart. Do you know what the leading cause of heart disease is? Snoring. Like, not getting enough. Obstructive sleep apnea. It’s the leading cause of. It’s a source condition of other problems. Yes, yes. So. And the only reason I go back to that is I believe that most big industries, these megalithic, I call them the oligarchs, Right.
These megalithic multinational corporations. And again, I’m not saying they’re evil. I’m saying they’re doing their job. They’re making money for their shareholders. The real problem is the misaligned incentive. The incentive for a company to be successful is not to make great products. It’s to make money. And. And that’s not bad. That’s capitalism. That’s great. That’s awesome. But if we decentralized all of that and made it so the people were the primary beneficiary of the profit and the product, the people would want the focus to be on the product. A true market place where people would be demanding excellence.
They demand what’s good for people. Yes. Not for. Yeah, that’s truly decentralized market. Yeah. There are some horrifying things that I could. I could talk for days on this. I could write a 200. I know you could, because I could do. Go, go, go. Look at the food industry. The food industry is basically controlled by 12 companies. 12 companies control everything you eat and drink. Now, I’m not saying that’s bad, but you should look this up if you haven’t seen it. Have you seen the testimony that was given in Congress where this food guy, he was comparing a bag of Captain Crunch with Crunch berries from the US With a bag of Captain Crunch and Crunch berries from Canada? And he had them both up and they’re clear.
So you can see in them, the one in the United States looks like a confetti. All the berries are like bright blue and bright red. And I mean, it was bright. And you look at the same product in Canada and you can’t tell the difference between the berries and the Captain Crunch because they don’t allow those dyes to be in their food. Well, if you look at what’s going into our food now, this is why America’s obese. This is why America has so much. Canada’s messed up, too, but yeah, I mean, they’re fat and out of.
Yeah, you’re saying they’re not as bad. They’re not as messed up. They don’t have as much of a problem. And this is the other thing. You have the food industry. It’s the food industry that is telling you that how you got to be obese. The food industry is telling you, you can’t eat this, you need to eat this. Right. I saw this meme the other day that was so funny. It was like this guy walking through a grocery store and he walked, walked onto the health food aisle and he raised his hand and said, well, what’s on all the other aisles? If this is the healthy food, what’s all the rest of this stuff? Right? And so I use this as an anecdote to the major problem.
The major problem is the centralized and misaligned incentives. And it’s true in every industry. It’s true in healthcare, it’s true in travel, it’s true in food, it’s true everywhere. So what I see if you said, okay, what’s your boil the ocean idea? My bold boil the ocean idea is the Constitution was right. The people should be in charge and not as consumers, they should be in charge as producers. We have, the country has become valuable to the world because we buy stuff, we’re consumers, we buy stuff. And we, it’s very, very rare that our, what we produce is actually way to go.
You produced right. Well, what blockchain lets us do. So for example, on, in these social media apps that I talked about, Optio rewards you kind of like a frequent flyer program. The more you do, the more you earn, right? So it aligns the incentives with your data. You own it, you earn the reward. But what if we could do that in every industry? What if we could decentralize the food industry and make it so the more healthy food you eat, the more you earn, right? Because you’re producing, you’re becoming healthy, which produces. You now are more productive in society because you’re healthy.
What if we can incentivize good human behavior instead of incentivizing bad human behavior, but do it in a free market kind of way because. And I want you to continue because the communists, who I am another 180 against, they want to centralize government power. They don’t even realize they’re doing this. It’s kind of like they know there’s a problem, but their solution is like the worst solution you could possibly come up with. And they don’t, they’re not smart enough or something to realize it’s always been about central, it’s always about centralizing. Like the term federal. The term federal literally means to centralize and bring all of these states together and have them work together.
That’s, that’s the whole concept. They, they don’t understand that their solution is, creates a, a horror like the worst possible situation you could probably. They know there’s a problem and then their solution, they, they don’t understand that their solution is the worst possible things you could possibly do and give more power to the exact wrong people and all take power away. They don’t Realize they think giving power to the people and they’re doing the exact opposite. Exactly. I like your ideas because it’s, it would. People thinking people. When you start thinking down the avenues that you’re thinking down thinking people that even the com.
The Marxist communists, that they could let their guard down and actually think about it, might actually okay with this. Constitutionalists would, and then average everyday freedom oriented people would. Now the people who’d be against, against this are the people who aren’t. And this is the paradigm shift. The capitalists who are used to controlling and making the most money. That’s exactly right. Yep. Yeah, it’s exactly right. I think if you took a careful look at what’s what, how our economy actually works, it would terrify you. Like. No, I know. And I’m not against capitalism. I like the market.
So when I use that word, that’s not what I’m. I’m talking like the people on the greed, the people who figured out how to manipulate the system. And I don’t like that. Maybe capitalist isn’t the right word for them. Because free market is what you’re truly describing, a free market. Right. So the, the modern capitalism, the way that we, the way that it functions today is primarily based on Adam Smith. Right. Adam Smith had this, this notion of how markets and free markets would work. But Adam Smith also believed that it was a zero sum game.
Game in order for me to win, you have to lose. Right. So. And that’s functionally the problem. The problem is the shareholders need to win, so the consumer has to lose. Now, in a decentralized way, we would be employing the Nash equilibrium. You remember the movie A Beautiful Mind? The Nash equilibrium says it’s not a zero sum game. If I do what’s best for me and you do what’s best for you, but at the same time we do what’s best for the group, the community, then everybody wins. We allow everyone to win. And when you decentralize finance, for example, everyone has access.
That’s right. And that’s what Reggie Miller, Reggie Middleton came up with, is the whole defi finance concept. And the central bankers want to take that from him. I could talk to you for hours. This was great. I have to have you back on a regular basis because I love these conversations. This is excellent. Now how do people get parlor nodes and how do they use this? I think it’s a great, I mean, I can’t sell investments, but I think it’s a, it’s a good opportunity to get more. Yeah, I don’t even look at it as an investment.
I look at it as you believe in all of these principles that I talked about. Right? And if you believe in these principles, for example, the fact that big tech can shut you down, turn off your voice and silence you, if you believe that, that’s an important issue. Buy a Note if you believe that it’s important for around the world for people to be able to transact freely and have access to capital. Buy a note if you believe in the principles of free speech and freedom of expression. Buy a node. And the result of you running the node is you earn a reward.
And, and why do you earn that reward? You, you, you were in telecom, you remember back in the day, you’d be driving down the road with your brand new cell phone and you’d just drop a call and then you’d get, you’d go another two miles and you could get back on the call. Well, how did the, how did the phone company solve that problem? They had to, they had to build, build hundreds of thousands of towers. So the way they did it is they went to farmers and building owners and said, hey, buy one of these towers and we’ll lease it back from you for the rest of your life.
Yep, that’s how the nodes work. You buy a node, our applications will run the run on your node and that way it can never get shut down and like AWS is going to come to your house and turn you off. Right. So that’s a long winded way of saying you should get a node and you can do that at Optio Community. Optio Community. And I mean, and you have a way because if I had to sit and run a node and set it all up, set up my server, I probably wouldn’t do it because I’m so busy, I’m like, I don’t.
But you have a way where it’s super easy for people like me to just get the node set up. I mean, it took me five minutes. Now I have this running node and it’s awesome. But it was super easy. So that explained too, right? If you go and buy a node explains that. You buy a node and it will, it’ll send you an email that says, here’s how you need to run and operate your node. You go to a website, you set it up, you turn it on. I hate to do a Ron Popeil thing, but you set it and forget it.
It really is, it costs money, $10 a month or something. But it also, if that’s where the investment comes in, if it starts to perform like any of these other crypto nodes, it could be a good investment. And if not, it also invests in a good opportunity, a good idea. You’re investing in a good idea. You’re investing in a good idea and helping. Because this helps you. It helps you guys grow, doesn’t it? It does. It makes it. So. I mean, if we, if we had to go and buy 50,000 servers to run the Parlor ecosystem, we would have to go and raise $200 million from investors who would now become shareholders, who would then come back to us and say, yeah, I don’t think we should give all the money back to the users.
We should take. So you’re allowing. It’s. You’re becoming an investor in Parlor to help it grow into the kind of. Into the concept of Parlor. Yeah, into the concept of Parlor. I. I never. I’m not saying you’re. I’m not. I’m not ever going to say you’re investing in Parlor. What you’re investing in is yourself. You’re investing in the node family. Yeah. You’re investing in the Node and then the concept. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Well, you. This is awesome. I love the conversation. I don’t have many conversations with people who have been around the industry for as long as you have and have a.
The same kind of. Or have that kind of deep perspective on it, so that’s excellent. I really appreciated this. This was great. I have to have you back. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Okay.
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