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Summary
➡ The article discusses the alarming decrease in fish size due to falling plankton numbers, which is linked to the increase of microplastics and nanoplastics in the ocean. The author argues that the focus on carbon reduction and net zero emissions is distracting from the real issue of plastic pollution. They also debunk the idea that plastic lasts hundreds of years in the ocean, explaining that it breaks down into harmful microplastics and nanoplastics much quicker, especially in shallow waters. The author suggests moving back to glass containers as a solution, despite arguments about the carbon footprint of glass being heavier.
➡ The speaker discusses the environmental and health impacts of plastic versus glass. They argue that glass is more eco-friendly as it can be recycled indefinitely and doesn’t harm the ocean, unlike plastic. They also express concern about the harmful effects of plastic on human health, including fertility issues and gender problems. The speaker criticizes environmental organizations for focusing on carbon footprints rather than addressing the real issue of plastic pollution.
➡ The text discusses the serious health and environmental issues caused by microplastics, including infertility and other health problems. It also mentions the lack of action from environmental organizations and the potential for technology to help solve the problem. The author also shares his invention, a device that can filter and collect microplastics from large rivers. Lastly, he discusses his idea of manipulating ocean temperatures to change the direction of hurricanes.
➡ The inventor has developed a device called the Aqua Term Disruptor, which can pump large volumes of cold water from the ocean’s depths to the surface. This could potentially stop hurricanes by cooling the warm water they need to grow. The device is environmentally friendly, doesn’t harm marine life, and could even boost plankton growth, reducing our carbon footprint. Additionally, it could prevent billions of dollars in storm damage each year.
➡ The article discusses the impact of pollution on the environment, particularly the melting of polar ice caps due to sunlight penetration and contamination from oils and soot. It also highlights the changes in measuring air temperature, which may contribute to the perception of global warming. The author suggests a solution involving technology to correct the salinity level in the upper water column, which could also create jobs and be profitable. The article ends with a call for collaboration and positive action, rather than punitive measures, to address environmental issues.
➡ The speaker shares his experiences with USAID and DFC, criticizing their operations and management. He was offered a high-interest loan from the DFC, which also demanded control over part of his company. He declined the offer, finding it corrupt. Later, he discovered that $2.5 billion allocated for ocean plastic retrieval had disappeared, with less than 1 ton of plastic collected. He criticizes the organizations for their corruption and inefficiency.
➡ The speaker discusses corruption in environmental funding, where money meant for recycling equipment in the US is being misused elsewhere. He criticizes the system, stating that US corporations that could benefit from these funds receive nothing. He also mentions his efforts to combat corruption in Ireland and his work on environmental projects, including one that could potentially prevent hurricanes from hitting the US, increase ocean biodiversity, save the US economy billions of dollars annually, and create jobs. He encourages listeners to follow his work online.
Transcript
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In fact, he’s so much larger. What he cleans up in one week is what the next largest company in the world cleans up in a year. I mean, he’s, he’s the real thing. And he’s going to come on the show today and, and share with you what the real issue is and how microplastics are destroying our oceans. Specifically, they’re destroying the plankton. There’s a collapse of plankton in the world and the plankton supplies 70% of the oxygen of the world’s oxygen. He’s going to share with you. The fish that used to be five to six pounds are now just less than an ounce or an ounce.
A huge collapse of the fish market due to the lack of oxygen coming from the collapse of the plankton, which is because of microplastics. He’s going to. And, you know, we bring up CO2. Everybody’s focused on CO2. Well, they’re misdirected. People are misguided. That’s a whole business opportunity. Yeah. If CO2 gets above a certain level, then we start to feel it as humans. It’s bad for us if it gets below 0.25 or 0.2 around those levels, then, then, then plants start to struggle. So at one end we struggle, at the other end, plants struggle. If it gets too high or too low, those issues need to be solved.
But right now, in a lot of parts of the world, it’s getting dangerously low, not dangerously high. In cities and certain places, yeah, it might be. And you can solve those problems. But they’re ignoring the serious, serious issues because they can use carbon as a way to control governments and budgets and industry while they’re ignoring the plankton collapse that is causing us to lose, which is responsible for 70% of the world’s oxygen. It’s the color. We’re seeing the collapse of the fishing, the fish in the ocean. We’re seeing a collapse of a lot of the marine life.
We’re seeing a collapse of oxygen levels, which is, is going to depopulate the planet. But also he’s going to talk about how microplastics are causing a lot of the gender issues and it’s causing a lot of the infertility issues. Yeah, there are other reasons we’re infertile. And, you know, people are talking about mRNA, possibly technology, and what we had is causing, is the culprit of a lot of infertility. But it’s pretty well known now in the science communities that the microplastics are having a serious effect and we really, really need to be focusing on this. It’s important and we’re not focusing on it.
Not really serious. He’s going to talk about usaid, and it’s just what the government seems to be focused, but they’re so dysfunctional, they’re so corrupt that the money’s not getting to where it needs to get to. So we’re going to talk about all that. He’s an amazing person. But before we get into that, I want to talk to you about Masterpiece. Masterpiece is an amazing product for getting out microplastics. It gets out graphene oxide, it gets out heavy metals, aluminum. And it’s. They’re working hard to prove to you that this works. They have studies. You can go and get your hair tested.
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Okay, let’s get into my conversation. I think it’s really important. If you haven’t seen the one I did before with Kieran, I welcome you to watch that one as well. I’ll have the link below, but this. These are important. I’m going to have a series of conversations with them. Okay, let’s get into my conversation with Kieran Kelly. Hi, Kieran. Welcome back to the program. Hi. Great to be back. You have your little monkey in your lap today. She’s actually past her bedtime, so she’s looking for cuddles and climbing into bed shortly, I’m sure. Aren’t you, Saoirse? That’s okay.
We got a monkey sitting here, which is just adorable. Well, I want to get into. You have the largest ocean cleanup company in the world. You’re one of the foremost environmentalists in the world and you’re highly respected and you are telling the world that what they’re saying about the environment just isn’t true. We have real issues, but what they’re saying isn’t true. Can you. I mean, what is the deal with CO2 from your opinion, like, what are they saying and why is. You know. I know, but what are they saying and why is that not true? And what is the truth of the matter? Well, you know, if we look at the environment as a whole the single biggest threat probably to humanity at the moment is the loss of plankton in our ocean.
You know, people don’t seem to understand the importance of these little plants and animals. Up to 70% of the oxygen we breed comes from these plants or animals. It doesn’t come from the Amazon rainforests or anything else. Not saying that that’s not important. Of course it is. But when you’re looking at the whole CO2 market and see what that is, it’s a massive business today. If you look at energy prices, for instance, look at travel, look at everything, look at what people are talking about today. They’re talking about rising prices and inflation. Well, let’s peel back the layers of some of that.
Carbon taxes are really starting to hurt families. There was a report came out in Western Europe there last week. People are months behind in their energy costs. They can’t afford to pay their electricity, electricity prices. They were told that if they would adopt this green energy, this wind energy, offshore wind, onshore wind, that energy prices was going to come down. This was the cheapest form of energy. This was definitely going to be really positive for the environment. And of course, none of that was true. When I started speaking about and started debating some of my colleagues in the environmental space, they accused me of being a climate denier.
And I was saying, excuse me, can you explain that? I said, climate denier. I’m an environmentalist. We remove more plastic from the ocean in a week than any environmental organization on the planet does in a year. So, you know, to accuse me of something like that, I was shocked. I was shocked about the amount of trolls that were actually pushing this narrative and where exactly this was coming from. What is happening in our ocean, Right? And again, this is all connected to the whole CO2 economy. But what is happening is it is absolutely scary. If you look in the Gulf of Maine, for instance, or the Gulf of Mexico, you’ll see that fish size, it’s been stunted.
And what’s happening because of that, as plankton numbers continue to fall, you see that these fish, they’re becoming smaller and smaller. Plenty of them there, but they’re really small fish. In the Gulf of Mexico, for instance, there’s a fish called yellow croaker. This yellow croaker used to go five to six pounds in weight going back some years ago. Now these fish are less than an ounce, from 5 to 6 pounds to less than an ounce, less than an ounce in the. They just opened the fishery there off the east coast of Canada, and that was for ocean perch, a Redfish.
And the people were telling me that they were opening this fish. Some of the fishing companies were saying, oh, we’ve just bonanza fishery for the next few years. They’re finally opening this fishery after about 25 to 30 years. And I said, you’re in for a shock. And they said, why? I said, you’re going to find nothing but small fish. And he said, no, no, no, nobody fished this biomass of fish for nearly 30 years. There’s going to be lots of fish. We’re going to make a lot of money doing this. I said, believe me, you’re going to call me back with a different story.
And they called me back when he opened the fishery and they said, how did you know this? I said, it’s because plankton numbers are collapsing. And he said, why is this happening? And I said, first of all, what did you find? We found what you exactly told us we were going to find. That the fish were tiny, the fish never grew. So while we’re spending all this money on this so called carbon reduction and this net zero and, and so on and so forth, like we’re missing the elephant in the room and that is the problems surrounding plastics.
Microplastics, nanoplastics. When you look at greenhouse gases, something that was spoken a lot about for years and about how greenhouse gases were destroying our ozone layer and so on and so forth. Again, like the message was false. There was lots of misinformation. The vast majority of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere come from water vapor. Comes from water vapor. Water evaporating from our ocean is producing more greenhouse gases than anything else. But if you look at carbon itself, like, you know, look at man made carbon and like how man is affecting everything, like, I mean, you’re talking about very, very low figures, of course.
Are we polluting? Yes, of course we are. But are we a problem? No, not really. Not really. We must be. We’re a problem because we create microplastics and some of these other things. But now the CO2, did they just drum up a whole story to create a business and control. I mean, what is going on there? Because we do have serious issues, but they’re not focused on them. And that’s dangerous, without a doubt. I mean the problem like with the likes of the microplastics and explain this to your listeners why it’s why microplastics is so dangerous.
And you know, forget about the health side of it regarding feminization, gender dysphoria. No, you got to talk about that. You got to talk about the Health sides, but keep going, because you told me this. And like, you know, we look at all that, like, brutal problems, but what’s happening in the ocean with the Plastics? As we did some surveys off the west coast of Africa, we done similar surveys again in Southeast Asia. We went to these really remote locations and uninhabited islands, and we put plastic down on the ocean floor. We put it in 2ft of water, 3ft of water, 5, 6ft of water, 10ft of water, and so on and so forth, different depths.
We put bamboos all around these, and we taped these areas off like crime scenes again, just in case any small boats would be around and just keep them away from them. And we weighted the plastic down on the corners, on the. On the sand. And I want to see how fast was plastic breaking down in the different depths of the ocean, because, again, a lot of misinformation was being put out about plastic was lasting hundreds of years in the ocean, and I doubted some of that. I believe plastic will last a long period of time in deeper water, but in shallow water, that’s not the case.
So what I found shocked me. When I came back after seven days, the plastic in less than three feet of water was practically disintegrated under the rocks. The plastic still existed, but the rest of the plastic, because of the moving sand, just sliced this plastic shreds, and again it was gone. The deeper we went, of course, the plastic lasted a little bit longer. We had to go back for about six weeks for the plastic in about 10 to 12ft of water before this plastic was actually starting to disappear. Once that plastic breaks down, all these, from microplastics to nanoplastics, the definition, of course, of a microplastic is a particle of plastic that is under the size of 5 millimeters.
But once that plastic starts to break down inside in the ocean, then the real problems start. The plastics itself, once they’re come down the rivers, plastics that usually float when they’re inside in this brackish water, all this sediment attaches itself to the plastic. The plastic itself sinks pretty quickly after that, and it rolls like a. Like a plastic bag down the street with wind. It just rolls down with the current all the way down till it gets into the ocean. When it gets into the ocean, because of the salinity level, of course, and everything else, the plastic is a little bit more buoyant.
Plastic that normally float in the rivers will sink because of the sediment. Once it gets to open ocean, some of it might flow, but the vast majority of it, no, it stays within it stays within 10 nautical miles of these mouths of these rivers. All over the world, massive volumes of plastic. But once it’s on the ocean floor, if it doesn’t get covered over completely with sand, pretty quickly as the sand goes back and forth over, it grinds it away, it knocks the sediment off it and these small shards of plastic, then they start to float back up through the water column, back up to that top five meters of water from the surface and they drift around the ocean after that.
As that happens, all the toxins inside the ocean, they attach itself to the, to these slivers of plastic. They are global leaders again. They come up with this term in the 60s. Dilution is the solution. And this came from United nations. And they reckoned that they could put all these heavy metals and toxics and toxins and sewers, sewer and whatever again, like all the different chemicals could all go into the ocean. Our ocean was vast enough to dilute all these toxins out. And dilution is going to be the solution for the problems we have on our planet.
United nations did that. But what nobody knew at the time, if you add plastic into the ocean, then what’s going to happen? It creates a perfect storm. Now all these tiny particles of plastic that’s in the ocean, all the toxins attaches itself like a magnet through little metal shavings. All the toxins stick onto these small particles of the plastic. So as the plankton in the nighttime, that produces all the oxygen we breathe as it makes its way up through the water column, it sees these small particles as a food source, goes to eat them. Of course it poisons them and of course it kills them.
The same thing is happening with fish. You know, the very, very same thing. We see the, we see the whole digestive systems with fish and of course they covered with these plastics. It’s creating cancers and everything else in the fish. And the fish are becoming highly toxic. Good forms of protein that we need to eat is being destroyed because of plastic waste. There’s lots of solutions like, you know, there for the problems. I mean, one of the things there myself, I never, I never drink out of a plastic bottle for multiple different reasons. Of course I can, the health reasons for it.
I drink, I drink out of a glass bottle. I guess it’s not a case of should we move back to glass, we have no choice but to do it. But the carbon individuals, the people in the carbon market, they say, well, the carbon footprint of a container of bottles of water are going to be heavier. You’re going to burn More fuel, you’re going to create more pollution. What are you going to create more pollution with? With glass versus plastic. They say what their argument is, of course, that the glass is heavier. And the logistics side of that, bringing the bottles to the store stuff is going to be heavier.
But what they’re not speaking about, if this was a plastic bottle, I could recycle it maybe one time after that. The plastics, the plastics itself, like, you know, the quality of the plastics is after being compromised and I can never again recycle it after that. But I can recycle this bottle indefinitely. But even take it a step further if I don’t recycle this. I remember as a child growing up in Ireland, before I ever emigrated to the United States, walking on the beaches and our beaches used to be full of this beautiful glass. We used to collect sea glass and we sell them to the tourists.
You know, all these buckets of these sea glass little kids would be selling to these tourists. And, you know, we no longer see that. You don’t, you don’t see that in the US either anymore. Sea glass is all gone. Right? We changed to plastic. The thing about glass, if you threw a billion glass bottles into the ocean tomorrow morning, it’ll do no harm to the ocean. It’ll actually maybe benefit it in some ways. Small little plants and animals can hide inside the bottle. So they start to break down, but eventually they just break back down into a sand again.
They’re not going to create any problems versus plastic, of course. The problem is never ending. It’s again like, you know, to the health side of things. I mean, if you look at that and look at the carbon again, look at where they are, look at what the environmental world, my colleagues, are saying to people. They’re saying that, they’re saying the carbon footprint to this is too high. And I say, okay, let’s talk about the health side of it. Let’s talk about the environmental side of it. So hold on, this is really important. So I have a couple questions.
Are the environmentalists thinking that plastic is better than glass and that anybody who argues for glass at this point is they think they’re raising the carbon footprint because they, their whole paradigm is carbon. And carbon has been one big ruse. And so for a business point, and so it’s causing us to do all these things that are genuinely hurting us? Well, let’s be real about it. I used the term a second ago regarding dilution being the solution. And of course, I also use something when I speak to them. I say this to My colleagues, the whole time.
Solution means dilution to the environmental world. And I mean, fixing a problem will stop. Funding will dilute, like, you know, their funding stream. They don’t want to fix problems. They want to continue with the problems so they can actually bring more money back into their organizations again. So they’re not about fixing problems, they’re about employing people and keeping the money flowing. Just like, kind of like what big, big medicine is. They don’t really want to heal people. They just want to keep. They want to heal people enough so they keep coming back, but they want to keep the money flowing.
The vast majority of environmental organizations are the same way. You know, they like speaking about problems, but they don’t like working on the solutions. You know, about that. They don’t like, you know, working with corporations. I mean, they’ll go on, they’ll attack a Corporation on LinkedIn or something like that, and they’ll attack them for whatever reason. But as soon as they get funding from them or as soon as they get a donation from them that, you know, that that attack stops, it’s like they, they’re really not interested in fixing the problems at all. And of course, carbon has been.
It’s become nearly a cult at this stage. And of course they. It’s become a cult. Is that what you said? Yeah, I mean, yeah, the whole, the whole community, like, you know, it’s, it’s very cultish and it’s like, if you, if you mention a word, anything negative like about the carbon space, I mean, they’ll come after you. I mean, isn’t it dangerous? I mean, isn’t that cult dangerous? Because they’re wrong and they’re getting everybody to focus on things that really are hurting us. But being wrong, does that really matter? I mean, does that matter? I mean, look, it does if they’re encouraging us to use microplastics or plastics that are turning into microplastics and it’s destroying our plankton.
It’s also reducing the population, it’s killing fertility levels and everything else, which they’re well aware of. Like, you know, there, it’s, you know, people, if you want to speak again, go back to the health side of things. You know, we were a couple of years ago telling people like, you know, make sure and get vaccinated because you’re going to kill your grandmother if you don’t. And, you know, we make sure that you have to do this, and this is. We’re doing this for your health and for the health of the people. But if it’s truly about health.
We’d be telling people like, you know, not to go to your plastic. It’s well known like, you know, that the plastics is affecting, you know, fertility levels and both men and women. I mean that’s well known. It’s also well known at this stage that causation like you know, there at the increase of miscarriages and everything else, like it was connected in back to into plastics. It’s also well known like, you know, the feminization again like, you know, spoken by world renowned scientists are coming out and saying it now that they were terrified to say it for years because they were being accused of being transphobic, homophobic and everything else.
If you were saying that if you, if you use plastic, enough of plastic, it is going to affect you, it’s going to turn you. The feminization like, you know, problem is real. You imagine years ago when Arlen Schwarzenegger used the term and he called him, it was, it was girly birds or girly men. He was saying like, you know, there was more and more of them in California. I remember he was, he was just as before he was running for governor and he was. I think I was living, I think I was living in Arizona or something at the time.
And he was destroyed for it. Right. A lot of people got very upset with him. But that was the early days of the council. But to be fair, to be fair to these people, the microplastics is causing gender issues and we do have a gender issue that. I mean these people, it’s not their fault that they’re having all these gender 100%, it’s not their fault. I actually used to believe, I used to believe that people that were saying that they were trapped in some other one’s body and everything else. I used to actually believe that these people were crazy.
I was saying, you know, get out, right? That you’re looking for attention. It was the goth. Yeah, he’s like with some kids in school and they were just these type of goth kids. Everything black, black lipstick and nail varnish and everything else. And I was thinking this is just something new, a new trend. And I used to believe that till I started looking at the problem, started looking around me and sending some of these countries that we work in and you see the countries that use. If you look in Thailand and if you look in other Asian countries where people buy hot drinks out of a plastic bag, polyethylene bag, a cup of coffee and a straw, it’s put into plastic bag like a Ziploc bag.
And there’s straw put into the bag and they drink out of that. You look at the amount of the transgender, the lady buys, as people call them in these countries, the numbers are skyrocketing. And initially I thought it was a, it was something that it was not. But when I started looking at it was Dr. Shauna Swan with Mount Sinai Health and listening to other people that are experts in the space. And it started to realize it was coming, this is coming from plastics. And the more when I heard it first, I thought that, I love Dr.
Swan, I think she’s an amazing lady. But when I initially heard, I thought she was crazy when she was saying this. And then I started looking around me and saying, some of these countries, what are using lots of these plastics, And I started looking at the statistics and you start looking at the population is starting to collapse, that these fertility levels, everything is starting to collapse. And you start looking at the different health sites and everything like it was back to plastic. So this can’t be real. This cannot be real. And the more I looked at in these different countries, like, you know, this was real.
When I spoke to my colleagues about this in the environmental space, I said, hey, in Western countries, we can see it. I mean, the birth rate like, you know, there is collapsing. And I mean, we have a serious problem. We should be encouraging people, we should be giving tax incentives, massive tax incentives to American couples and Western couples to have kids. I mean, we should be paying the money to do this because, I mean, we’re in trouble. Our population is going to collapse. If we took away the illegal immigration in the United States, the population would collapse.
And like, when you start looking at what exactly is creating the problem. And when I spoke to my colleagues in the environmental space, these are people with the WWF and Greenpeace and so on and so forth. And these were senior directors of these organizations. And I said, hey, when are we going to start speaking to the global community telling them that this microplastics is, is, is killing? I said, you know, fertility levels and, you know, sperm count in men. And I mean, this is, there’s, there’s serious problems here. And they said, but hey, it’s, it’s, it’s a solution.
It’s going to depopulate the planet. So, and when someone said it to me, said, hey, wait a minute, you’re saying that this is okay, There is women that are trying hard to have kids and they’re having multiple back to back miscarriages. And some women are waiting like, you know, till they’re in their late 30s to go and have a couple of kids trying to, you know, pay off their college loans, everything else, trying to be more, you know, financially secure before they have these kids. And they only get a couple of chances to do this. And you’re saying, you know, that they’re never going to have kids and causation like, of the miscarriages is down to microplastics.
And you’re not going to, you’re not going to speak about this. And, you know, you’re smiling, don’t even ask you. I mean, so they, they know the problem is real. They know what is creating these, these massive problems. I mean, massive problems. They. This is a glass bottle again, but if this was a plastic bottle, there should be the same health warnings on this. What they’re on a packet of cigarettes. This is probably more, if it was plastic, it’s probably more dangerous than a pass. You know, it’s, it’s to giving. Letting our kids drink in school from plastic bottles and so on and so forth is child abuse.
I mean, what are we setting our kids, kids up for? We know, like, you know, gender dysphoria. We know, again, like, you know, is caused from, you know, the phallics and plastic. We know this. I mean, this is, this is, this is well known, but it’s rarely spoke about because people are, people are terrified when they speak about this because the first thing they’re going to come back and they say that you’re transphobic, you’re homophobic, you’re whatever, right? I mean, you’re the problem, you’re the messenger and you’re saying, please don’t give your kids this. But when you say it, all of a sudden you’re the problem.
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Well, if you look at the increasing levels like, you know, there, and if you look at the statistics from. Not just, of course, like we just spoke about, but if you look at dementia, Alzheimer’s, look at, look at all of them. There is. People are. More and more scientists are saying it’s being caused because of plastic. They’ve done like lots of autopsies and also like, you know, there are patients that donated their bodies. Like, you know, they’re after dying from Alzheimer’s and they were shocked to find the amount of plastic actually inside their brains. It was after making their way through the barriers right into their brains.
These studies are being done in major universities in Europe and the United States, I believe, actually on this. So again, the single biggest threat that we actually have, I mean, it’s not Russia, it’s not who’s president of the United States or whoever around the world. I mean, that’s really irrelevant. I mean, geopolitical compared to this. They’re going to be there for. They’ve been there forever and that’s going to continue. But like, some of the problems that we can actually fix, some of the real problems we can actually fix, of course, like, you know, there is plastics.
We have to look at a healthy ocean. How we can fix the problems in the ocean, we just. Again, myself, I have this ADHD brain. So since I was a little child, I could rip apart the car and I could build whatever. I could put a car back together better than what it was as a little kid, as a tiny little kid. So I’m very, very creative and great at building and inventing, you know, different technologies. So I invented a technology. The first technology was there, I called it mPad, and it was the microplastic elimination device.
And I was, I was able to figure out what the scientific community couldn’t figure out, how we could filter large, large rivers, everything that flows down these rivers. I could create turbulence by creating different chambers. And with these tiny, tiny little meshes, I could force these water out and keep these microplastics and nanoplastics all the way down to 65 microns in these devices and collect massive amounts of plastics. That’s the reason we’re so good at collecting plastic. But I kept looking at that and I realized really quickly that the environmental world really wasn’t interested in solutions.
Because I put a technology that I spent a fortune on developing it, that I could put in all these major rivers around the world instead of these ridiculous surface barriers that you see some of our colleagues in the environmental space, good marketing that will take surface plastic and up a conveyor belt and into something away. But the vast majority of plastic is under the water. But we can stop large plastic, small particles of plastics, down to microplastics and so on and so forth. But the environmental world wasn’t interested in the solution for that. They had no interest whatsoever.
So then I started looking at some years back in 2006, when I was up working with my fishing company in the Gulf of Maine. I was watching a hurricane that was coming across the Atlantic. And I would kept watching with the satellite imagery on the ship again, like, you know, the different pockets of water. And they were predicting that this storm was going to. Was going to turn to the, just east of the Caribbean. And all models were saying this was going to turn north just to the east side of the Caribbean. And the more I looked at it, and I was saying, that’s wrong, it’s not going to.
And some of my crew were saying, they said, how would you make that out? They said, the water temperature is too warm to the west. That storm is going to continue going west. It’s going to turn. It’s going to go past Yucatan and it’s probably going to go into the Gulf of Mexico. And they said no. And of course they were laughing at me and they were saying, yeah, whatever, right? But it did. I was right. The storm kept going west. So that night I was pumping fish onto my boat. We had about 300 tons of herring that we caught, and we were pumping these herrings into these tanks on the vessel.
And as I was doing it, the pump was well submerged onto the board. And I was watching the surface temperature all around the vessel, how quickly I was able to reduce the surface temperature by pumping water. And so I, I thought that there’d be a fast solution. And of course, then I started thinking about if I had something that I could reduce surface temperature in front of that storm, could I turn that storm? And of course, the more I looked at it, and of course the answer is yes, you could Turn a storm, if you could produce enough of cold water, push this cold water from a great depth under the ocean to the surface of the ocean.
If you could do that in a high volume, you could turn that storm. You could make that storm go a different direction. Or if there was a location, which there is, where these storms seem to build every year in the central Atlantic Ocean or off the Yucatan Peninsula. If you had vessels there and you constantly reducing that temperature for four or five months every year, could you stop a hurricane? And of course, straight away I thought, yes, you could. But how can you pump that volume of water to the surface of the ocean? And when I started looking at it, I was surprised because there were individuals like Bill Gates and so on and so forth, they were all looking at this as well.
How could you do it? But nobody could come up with a solution to do it with high volumes. And I spent years, I developed all different types of pumps, spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on R and D trying to figure out how to pump this water. How can I get this water up? If you go 200 meters, say 600ft under the surface of the ocean, that temperature down there is about 36 to 38 degrees. Surface temperature might be 80 degrees, but that temperature down there is 36 to 38 degrees. A hurricane itself, like, you know, there needs that warm water to control.
So if you can push that water from that depth to that surface, not for volume of that, you can actually reduce the surface of the ocean. You can actually stop the storm. So then I developed this pump that I could get. This, this pump I thought was great, this was amazing, that it could pump up about 100 tons a minute of water to the surface. Initially, I produced a pump, and this pump could, pump, could pump 100 tons of water per minute to the surface. And I said, wow, this is fantastic. And then I went along and I started doing, doing the math on that.
And I was thinking, oh, that’s not going to work. It has to be a lot higher than that. And then I started looking at what Bill Gates was doing. And Bill Gates had these, these ridiculous pumps with wave energy. And of course, they just like a piston. He got a patent on that. And I started looking at that and I was thinking, well, my pump could do better than that. But still, that’s not going to do nothing. So I started looking at again, like, how can I do. I needed to get something up to about 100,000 tons a minute to the surface.
I’m going to have to push 100,000 tons a minute to the surface. And then I realized I could never get a pump that big because the energy use for that would be colossal. And the size of the pump, there’s nothing there. I mean, you’d have to have a pump that is bigger than a house. And it would just. It was just. It wasn’t feasible. Sorry, baby. My monkey making noise. I apologize. So what I came across then, like, over the next couple of years, I started working on a device and I have a patent pending on that right now.
And that is called an Aqua Term Disruptor. And with the large Aqua Term Disruptor now, we believe we could pull, push 2.7 million tons per minute of cold water there to the surface. We could greatly reduce surface temperature there in the ocean ahead of one of these storms. And of course, what that would mean an area where there is storms developing with five or six vessels in that area or more, 10 or 12 vessels create lots of jobs, for starters. The second thing, what you do is you stop these hurricanes. And it’s estimated on a yearly basis between 10 to 20 billion dollars worth of damage is actually done by these storms coming ashore.
And isn’t this environmentally more friendly? Because what they’re doing now is they’re spraying the atmosphere, trying to redirect things, which is crazy. Absolutely crazy. And of course, the. Yeah. The chemicals are using to do that is creating all kinds of problems back into the ocean, poisoning the plant again, the oxygen we breathe, everything else creating massive problems. What this is, is, again, it’s absolutely enormous. It’ll kill no marine life. It’ll actually enhance marine life because you’re pushing so much water and it’s so large that it is operated with two vessels and the amount of water going through it.
A blue whale could actually swim through it and be unharmed with it. Okay. Because you will be. You will be pumping fish and stuff out of this. Pumping nothing. Actually pumping nothing. You wouldn’t be. It would just. You. You’d be able to get it. So it’s just the water, not the fish that come in. The fish could actually go through it. There’s fish there. Fish can actually go right through this. The fish would be like a river. Yeah, it would be a big deal. Okay. Just redirect him. Right. Right to the surface. What the. The benefits of that, in areas in the ocean where there’s very, very low plankton, it produces enough nutrients, is pushing this nutrients to the surface.
So plankton itself, like, you know, there will actually grow. It’ll help the plankton grow and increase Plankton numbers and of course with that reduces your carbon footprint, your global carbon footprint so you can actually generate the likes of carbon credits with it. But on top of that the damage that’s been done with these massive storms going ashore, we can actually stop these storms from actually happening. And of course offsetting what the carbon footprint it would be to rebuild not alone the loss of life and everything else on top of that. And of course it’s a win win all, all the way around.
But the carbon footprint, let’s talk about this. Is that car we need carbon because it’s plant food. We just can’t have too much because then it starts to hurt us. It needs to stay what under 0.8 and over 2.5 or something needs to stay in that window. Aren’t we already close to, to, to 2.5? I mean aren’t we. I mean there’s certain pockets in cities and things but in general our car. It’s kind of a fall. I mean it’s not true that we have a carbon. True. If you look at the, if you look at the problems we are actually having right now, I mean your whole environmental world is there’s a lot of smoke and mers involved in it.
I mean if you. Pollution is a real problem, right. One of the. I’m non political like you know for the most part regarding my, my political beliefs and everything else and, and again I’m a registered Republican. I’ve been vocal about that there for years. But we just want to know whatever the truth is though, right? I mean I don’t care. I’m a scientist first and so I just want to understand it. I will vote with my heart like and I usually vote on environmental issues and when it comes to a lot of the problems that we actually have, like I hear some of my colleagues speaking about the polar caps melting and we’re all going to be submerged and everything else.
And you know there’s real solutions for all these problems. I mean we can reverse the problems that’s happening in Greenland and in the Arctic. We can reverse that quite easily. And you know, I’ve spoke about that for quite some years and there was a small Norwegian company there last year started doing some work on that where during the winter months where they were actually pumping ice on the winter months like you know, on top of the, on top of the Arctic and of course like you know they were able to increase the amount of ice by doing that.
You know one of the biggest problems that we actually have. I mean is there problems? Yes, Lots of them. Is there problems of pollution? Yes, lots of them. We, we look like, you know, commercial shipping. For years we started burning crude oil, heavy oil. And the problems like with the heavy oil, of course, like it’s a bunker oil, a heavy oil. They would scrubbers inside the stacks and all that soot was making its way back into the ocean. And if you can remember when you were a kid and you see the snow melting, the snow used to be, our snow used to be very white, right? You reflect the sunlight and you get blind from looking at the direct snow in the wintertime.
It hurts your eyes. And you can see that starting to change. You can see. I remember last year being up in, visiting some of my family in, in, in, in, in Chicago and in Northern Pennsylvania up in Lake Erie and, and you could see the snow starting to melt. And I was just looking at the snow and I was saying, wow, it’s getting darker every year. You can see how dark the snow is getting. A lot of that, like, you know, is pollution as the water’s evaporating from the ocean. So is like a lot of the, the soot and stuff like, you know, from the, from, from the commercial shipping, a lot of the bunker oil and stuff like that and other, other sources of it too.
So as that increases up into the atmosphere when it snows, the snow, of course, like in the Arctic, the snow itself is no longer white like it used to be. So it’s not reflecting direct sunlight like it used to before. Now it’s starting to penetrate it, which is creating, of course, the ice to melt. And the first thing people are saying, well, you know, our planet is getting warmer. There’s not a lot of science really to back that. When you start looking at how we used to measure in the past, how we used to measure, measure air temperature and how we’re doing it now, we’re measuring, you know, air temperature.
A lot of cases now on tarmac, in airports where we used to it in the shade for years. And we’re saying, well, we had a record warm temperature today in Philadelphia on a tarmac, in the airport. I mean, compared to. But I have a graph, I have a graph that shows that we have been hotter 9,900 years over the past 10,000 years. It’s just that when you zoom in on the graph, it shows the last. It’s just going up, we’re in an upward trend. But it looks really bad in the last 50 years. But if you zoom way out, it’s like not, not really a big deal, but yeah, exactly.
And you know, there’s lots of ways to, to use that. Am I saying. I’m not saying that that’s not a problem. I mean, of course this is a problem. Is it increasing a lot faster this time? Historically, yes, it is, but there’s multiple reasons for that. Not according to the graphs that I have. Not according to the graphs I have. It goes, you know, when it goes up, it goes up quickly. Yeah, when it goes up, they go up, but it has gone up particularly quickly. And that’s not really relevant either to the entire argument. You know, I don’t believe that CO2 is a problem at the moment.
I do believe that they are Gulf Stream being compressed, like, you know, there we see more pack ice right. In the winter months right now in the Arctic. Arctic. And, and people seem to come up to this false hope. And some of my colleagues, well, this is great. We had more ice in the Arctic this winter. And I said that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s a problem. And he said, why? Why you’re saying it’s a problem? I said, it’s a problem because the salinity level, the fresh water, of course, like as it melts, it stays up in the upper water column and of course that freezes a lot easier.
So that’s creating more pack ice. That’s all, all that is a problem. What’s happening with that? Of course, like it could compress and you’ll see surface temperature in the ocean start to come down. In the Gulf of Maine, for instance, surface temperatures in the Gulf of Maine have reduced nearly 3 degrees with the last four to five years. So it’s actually coming down. The same thing is happening on the eastern side of the Atlantic off the park by basin, west of Ireland. Ocean temperature is also coming down. The scientific community, again, they were saying, they said that they were worried and they were shocked and they weren’t sure why that was happening.
But what’s happening are our polar caps melting. Yes. You know, what is creating that? And it’s back to one of the biggest reasons for that is pollution. And of course, like the direct penetration from, from, you know, sunlight is, is making its way through the ice because again, the, the snow as it’s falling, of course, like, you know, it’s being compromised, is being contaminated there, which, with the, with the, with, with the oils and stuff there from the ocean, from the soot, from, from the shipping, it is creating a massive problem. And overall. But can all this be fixed? Yes, the answer is yes.
The good thing is There are solutions for all of it. Again, back to the technology that we produce, the aqua term Disruptor by open the Arctic, open that entire area. I do think over the next few years that there will be hundreds of vessels needed and it will be a really big business to actually get the salinity level in the upper water column. Correct that, get it back to where it needs to be. And with our technology that we have that patent pending on right now, we can push up and we can constantly go back and forth with vessels and where that fresh water, that upper water column, we can actually dilute that by pushing enough of salt water through it, create enough turbulence with that salt water, push that through like, and put it back to where it actually needs to be.
It sounds like a good solution because then when. Now we’re getting away from the chemical, the geoengineering crap, that spraying crap to try to get the, the storms to move, which they’re doing. And it’s actually working in a lot of cases. And of course it’ll increase biodiversity in the ocean and it does that too. And create jobs, create lots of jobs. And it’s profitable and it will be profitable. We. Since I spoke to you there last, I was in Saudi Arabia twice. I was in the Emirates once and I was in Oman. And again, like the initial talks with them, they’re very, very interested in that because in the Red Sea, of course they have a problem with red algae.
And of course, as the water temperature increase in the Red Sea with the likes of that, where we can push enough of salt water to the surface, we can actually stop that red algae from being a problem there. The same like, you know, there in the Gulf of Aden and the whole Gulf of Amman. And look at that, look at that entire area through the Persian Gulf to do the same thing again. Like, you know, they’re get the stop the stop the algae blooms there inside the ocean by keeping regulating the temperature. But more to the point, like one thing that I was shocked with them, the Arabs never cease to amaze me.
And of course they’re, they’re looking to. Saudi Arabia is looking at becoming one of the main tourist hubs of the world. And they’re doing a really good job of it. The amount of money they’re pumping into tourism is, is unbelievable. They have to open up their ideas though, so that. Because the people. Yes, they are, yeah. People coming from all over the world. You don’t. I don’t want to go there unless they’re accepting of who I am. You know, like I can that kind of stuff. Well, if, if they’re after, they’re after coming so far with the last couple of years, it’s unreal.
Like, I was in, I was in, in United Arab Emirates there again, seven, eight days ago, and I was shocked when I saw a young Western woman walking up the street with flip flops and a bikini three blocks back from the beach. I mean, you would never see that in the past. You know, it’s definitely after changing. I mean, in the likes of, in Dubai, there’s gay bars in the Bino. I mean, like, imagine, who would ever think something like that, like in the, in the Arab world. I mean, so, so they are, they’re definitely changing.
I mean, they’re definitely changing and they, they’re looking at like, you know, they’re. How can they rebuild their coral reefs? If you look off the Florida Keys and look at the problems that we have in the Florida Keys with the bleaching of the corals and so on and so forth, the likes of our technology, we can cool down the water for four or five months every year where the water temperature gets too hot and it starts to kill off the corals again by upwelling of water and of course, reducing that water, putting more nutrients in for the likes of the corals.
And of course, this is what the Arabs are interested in. They see this as something that’s groundbreaking for that part of the world. But of course, the parts of the world that I’m really interested in, where my kid goes to high school, of course, that’s in the United States. You know, how can we, how can we change the world in a positive way that’s not going to hurt the economy, that is not going to, not going to affect businesses in a very negative way? How can it be done in a way that’s very pro business, that companies coming on board with us can actually make money doing it? Instead of the way that my colleagues in the environmental world, where they look at how can we have a carbon tax? How can we tax people more? Or how can we have a plastic.
It’s a different paradigm. It’s always a negative paradigm of hurting others versus let’s collaborate to solve problems. It’s a different, It’s a negative paradigm. But that’s what kind of this whole Marxist, communist kind of. It’s always negative. Let’s hurt these people who make money so that we can help the people. Instead of, no, let’s just collaborate and help everybody rise. It’s a different, It’s a different mindset and it Takes. And that’s why whenever that mindset takes over, every those countries just shrivel down to everywhere. Everybody’s miserable instead of lifting all boats and solving problems. But you worked with USAID and you worked with some of these organizations.
Can you talk about some of your experience that you had with them? Well, work with USAID would be, I wouldn’t use that term, but. Well, it shouldn’t say you ran into them. You, you. Yeah, go ahead. I ran into them on, on multiple occasions in multiple countries all over the world. I was delighted when I saw that the President’s, President Trump announced they were going to defund them. An absolute horror show of an organization. Not alone them. I looked at the DFC and at the end of the Trump administration, first administration, there was two and a half billion dollars allocated for ocean plastic retrieval.
A lot of money. I mean a hell of a lot of money. Two and a half billion dollars. The money was, this bill was passed and it was inherited by the Biden administration. So it was going to be distributed there with the, with the dfc and of course the dfc, a massive organization, so called nonprofit. And so I was asked would I attend a meeting in the US Embassy in Jakarta in Indonesia. And I was, after being there before under the Trump administration, but I’d never been. It’s my first time it was going under the Biden administration.
And I was shocked. I was definitely shocked. I mean, it had changed. It had really, really, really changed. Well, how does it change? Why is it a nightmare of an organization? What specific things did you see? Well, it was clearly politicized in multiple different ways. Most of the people that were sitting in the meeting, they were, they were biological men dressed as women. It was, it was kind of embarrassing because I had high level individuals that were politicians and people connected to my company in Indonesia there with me. And I, you know, and I was speaking highly about, you know, about, you know, the way we do business in the United States.
Right. About, you know, I’m proud to be American. I mean, I’m really proud to be American. I put America before the country of my birth. And so I arrive in and I was sitting around the table and with these individuals that were, first of all, I could see that situation. Keep going. Yeah, so that was the first part of it. So. No, but what happened? No, you got to tell the story what happened. I mean, it is kind of. Keep telling the story. Yeah, it was, it was, I mean, I had a, I had a middle aged balding man dressed in a dress sitting across a Table with lipstick and trying to have this serious conversation looking at these people.
And I mean, it was. Their culture just didn’t accept it either. I mean, it was, they were not like they wanted to go. I mean, I mean, they were insulted. I mean, they were. My whole thing, they were totally insulted. I mean, this is, these were all, they were just insulted by it. Right? I mean, and it was, they, they did. Yeah. The money, the money. The $2.5 billion. Sorry, baby. The $2.5 billion, like, you know, there was, was, was starting to disappear. The money itself, they clearly, they had nowhere to put the money. And what they wanted was, this was taxpayers money.
They wanted to loan the money out to me at a high interest rate if I take the money at a high interest rate with them. I mean, this was taxpayers money that was being handed out and they were going to hand this out to me and I had this return on it, right? Just, they want to just return on an roi. And I, and I said, I said, okay. So it was a lot more, it was, Was it a high interest rate so it would have been better for you just to go to a bank or to some investment? No, I mean, the whole thing was, well, it was, it was more complicated than that.
They, they wanted to put people, people that, from their organization, say, say former people that worked within usaid. They wanted to put people on my board or give me to sign over 25% of my organization to them. So I give them parts of my company, I put them on my board, I put a whole bunch of them on the salary. Like, it’s like it was completely. For what, For a loan. They wanted to give you a loan at a high interest rate, take over part of your company and take on their employees. Who would do that? Okay.
Yeah. I mean, they were completely corrupt and it was, it was. But were they putting the screws to you to try, try to force you to do something that awful for yourself? Well, I mean, I, I, I didn’t need them. I mean, I didn’t need them. I, I thought I did. I was by the whole, the whole makeup of everything, even the, how the people were so uncomfortable that were with me. I was, I found it amusing at this stage and, you know, I was looking. Were you just like, letting it go because you wanted to learn more? Did you tell them? Did they start kind of finding it amusing? It was like a candid camera experience, right? That’s what it felt like.
And of course, that was my first. I met them. I met them, the meeting ended and I met them again. It was several months after that, and it was about a year later, I guess. And it was. They were serious about this because the only types of companies that would take a deal like that would be ones that are in distress. Right, right. And you just wouldn’t do that unless you were desperate. Yeah. And I had no interest. I’ve been very clear. But I don’t want your money. I said, I really don’t want your money. He asked me to come in here.
I said, I came in here. I thought, like, you know, we could work on some project or something. I said, he asked me to come into the embassy. I did not ask you to come here. So then what happened a year later? So a year later I came in, I found that the money was all gone. The $2.5 billion had disappeared. I started asking questions like, where did the money go? And I said, more to the point, I said, the US Taxpayers, our congressmen and senators signed off on this money. And it was clearly, it was noted again from the Trump administration that this was a bill to retrieve ocean plastic.
It’s all over the bill on multiple places, but 50 different times is mentions to retrieval of ocean plastic. Today I found out a couple of years ago that there was less than 900 kilos. That’s less than 1 ton of plastic collected. And that money, they can’t account for it. Nobody knows what happened. So what. I mean, do people just steal it? I mean, are they $2.5 billion people stealing it? I mean, you could live for the rest of your life on that money that you. It depends how many mouths they have to feed. I mean, it’s.
It is it. And what I mean by that is like, it’s. USAID is known in the environmental space. But how corrupt it is when, when I. It’s bribery, it go. It, it. The bribery goes deep and wide. Doesn’t. Goes deep and wide. And you know, the, the, the Chinese, Chinese mafia, I mean, are all over, all over Asia in different countries, and they, in the trash business, they’re, they’re always, they’re always involved in it. They’re always involved in recycling. You’ll always come across them. And for the most part, they’re a lot easier to deal with than usaid.
But I remember saying one guy and he called me and he had some recycling entities on a river and they were putting a lot of trash in the river. So I went to meet this guy. This guy is known internationally. I won’t mention his name because I live here, but. But he’s he’s a very, a very interesting guy. And he, he used to send, or used to get people to send me messages that they were going to kill me if I fight. Good job, girl. But he used to send me messages anyway, like, you know, there about, about, you know, about exposing the problem about pollution or working in areas where it is factories.
So he called me and he asked me to meet him at one of his large factories close to the river. And he wanted to come up with a solution. We used to bump heads fairly hard and I say, stop the pollution. And of course I, I ended up shutting down a couple of his factories that were actually putting all this waste in the river. And so we became actually friends more than anything else. And I said, you know what? I said, I’d rather work with you instead of fighting against you. We can come up with a solution.
Just stop, stop the pollution. And I come up with a solution. And he just laughed with the whole idea. So eventually she called me in and when I came in, he had, he had four or five new, new forklifts inside in his Chinese warehouse. And I said to him, I said, beautiful forklifts. You buy my forklifts? I said, no, I’m not interested. He said, I give you a really good price, half price. He said, new, never drive. I said, where’d you get him? He said, usaid. Usaid? Yeah, usaid. So I said, USAID is giving you money to buy new forklifts? He says, yeah.
He said, I get everything from them. I get everything from them. The guys. The guy is a gangster. Why was he getting stuff. Why was he getting stuff from usaid? Was he getting. It was. That was. He was getting stuff. Like, you know, again, they were getting, getting, getting machinery. They needed to say, we’re going to recycle more plastics or whatever. So they got forklifts or whatever they get. They were getting money somewhere or another. They were getting money. They were getting payments to buy, to buy the, the equipment they’re actually having. Meanwhile, like, you know, you have US Corporations, you corporations in the US that are recycling that could really do with these forklifts and really deal with these machines.
That’s right. In the United States. And they get nothing. We get nothing here. And money is just being given out like candy to a bunch of mafia folks and for bribe. It is crazy. It is absolutely crazy. I mean, I could write a book about it. You could. Well, you have been doing. I gotta have you back. I’m gonna have you back again because we need to talk more about the corruption that’s going on in Ireland. We talked about this before, but I had to have you back to talk about that. Being one of the, the largest environmental companies in the world, I had to talk to you about this.
But you are really going after the Irish government for the corruption that’s going on and it’s really making a difference. And so, and you’re, you know, you’re, you’re going there and it’s, it’s helping people. And so I want to talk about, have you back and talk about that, that I think it’s important that we start, we keep peeling back these layers. I’m just so glad that you have the courage to talk about these things. You’re actually making a difference instead of just screwing around, which is what we’re seeing because we really need this. The fact that the plankton is collapsing and that’s 70% of our, of our oxygen and the microplastics that are causing all these other dysfunction.
I mean, you’re getting to the source, the core of what we need from environmental movement and then you’re also getting to the core of some of these corruption issues. So I just appreciate that you’re doing this. So I need to have you back as well in another. Yeah, I’d love to be back. I’d love to as well. Any of your listeners, you know, that are truly interested in coming up with or coming behind and looking at a. We can actually work on stopping hurricanes from making landfall in the United States. We can actually do that. We can actually stop them, but do it in a way that’s not spraying the atmosphere.
We can actually increase biodiversity inside the ocean and we can save the US economy between 10 to 20 billion dollars on a yearly basis by doing this. And create thousands of jobs. Yet saving the country 10 to 20 billion dollars a year and create jobs doesn’t. And stop the pollution in the air from all these other idiots. Spraying was so good. Okay, where can people follow you? Follow me again. You can follow me on Captain Kieran Kelly on, on, on. LinkedIn is an easy pace where we’re rebuilding our website at the moment. We should have a backup there in another week.
Again, that’s ocean integrity, oceanintegrity.org so we should have that up there in another week. And of course like LinkedIn as well. Ocean Integrity Group is just our LinkedIn page. But the easiest place to follow me of course is, is always like, you know, they’re on LinkedIn or just, just reach out to me. It’s my email address. Is kkellyceanintegrity.org thank you so much, Karen. Thank you so much. Thank you. It was a pleasure as always. Sa.
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