Slaughter Houses: Behind Closed Doors What Really Happens w/ Investigative Journalist Gail Eisnitz

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➡ Puppy mills, where dogs are bred in poor conditions, often sell their puppies in pet stores. To avoid supporting these inhumane practices, it’s recommended to visit the breeder’s location before purchasing a puppy. The author also shares her personal challenges in documenting these violations, including a rare visual processing problem and stress-related health issues. She emphasizes the importance of enforcing anti-cruelty laws and suggests that reducing meat consumption could help improve animal welfare.
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Foreign. Yeah, I guess so. And it’s also like ignorance is bliss. I I My new book out of Sight talks a lot about factory farms and what goes on inside them. I mean like you mentioned eggs. That’s a good example because most hens that are kept for for eggs are kept in six to 10 birds in a cage the size of a microwave and that’s not acceptable. A quick break from the program to share with you. 7075 Coffee. They are giving away starter kits at reduced prices. You can get three bags of coffee and a bunch of goodies for 99.

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So if as a society we are very, very abusive to something that’s going to reflect on all of us, if it’s happening in one area, then they’re not going to be able to compartmentalize their neurosis, their psychotic horror, horrible treatment of animals and then somehow be better elsewhere. It reflects on everything that they do. And I think that we are in a society right now where we are blind to so many of the ills that are going on and we turn a blind eye. We think ignorance is bliss and we’re just, who cares? There’s too many problems.

But we won’t heal and be better unless we start looking at this. But I asked some questions about what happens to. If. If a animal is put under high stress and trauma. What does that do to us? What does that do to the quality of the meat? And not only is it bad, you know, for us, for, you know, these human beings that behave that way and then project it onto other areas of life, it actually fundamentally impacts the quality of the meat as well. And I did some research. I asked her these questions and she didn’t know.

But I wanted to know myself, you know, because I won’t eat animals that are killed under stress. I. Why some. Obviously when I go to a restaurant or someplace, I do. But when I buy, I buy meat and I do it because I don’t want that stress hormone. But I did some research, and here’s what it says. It’s okay when an animal is experienced stress before during slaughter due to fear, poor handling, overcrowding, or inhumane conditions. And we’re going to be talking about that in this entire conversation. They release a surge of stress hormones, which we all know, but it’s cortisol, adrenaline and other hormones.

These hormones don’t just vanish, obviously. They get into their meat and their cells and it affects the quality of the tissue and it affects their subtle effects on the human body. That has been proven. And there’s effects in the actual quality of the meat. The meat that is in cattle, it leads to dark, firm and dry meat. So it’s just not as good quality. The cattle. The meat in pigs is pale, soft, and it’s just. And it’s less nutritious. So you’re getting less nutritious meat when you’re getting all this crap, those kind of hormones in the meat.

So it’s reduced nutrition content, poor texture, shorter shelf life as well. It doesn’t last as long as in the grocery store. So this affects the profit margins. You’re getting meat that just doesn’t last as long. It also causes oxidated byproducts which we are being exposed to, which could cause inflammatory conditions in us. While most of the stress hormones break down during cooking and digestion. But repeated consumption of stress meat can have subtle effects on our endocrine system and stress response. It can contribute to low Grade systematic inflammation, especially combined with other inflammatory foods. And then energetic.

I’m going to talk a little bit about the quantum energy stuff. Energetic or holistic perspective. It’s not, it’s less mainstream. But I think when as quantum physics becomes more understood, it can start from a science perspective, hardcore, because that’s all they want it. You know, people want to see hardcore science that shows why meat that is traumatized, animals that are traumatized, why that at an energetic level affects us. And the science is starting to be more understood and becoming more mainstream. But we need to get to a point where quantum physics and, and energy work and you know, frequency is more understood.

It’s not just woo, woo, and for multiple reasons, because not only do we need to understand it so that we can grow as a species, but also, you know, the people who are doing this work may, they aren’t all good at what they do either. You know, they just all feel it instead of really having the hard science behind what it is that they’re doing. So it’ll improve all of them as well. They don’t just kind of guess or just feel it. They know because there’s hard science behind quantum energy. And we’re starting to figure it out, quantum physics.

But the, what they’re saying is that consuming highly stressed animals may pass on an energetic trauma. So I think it could be passing on frequency trauma and that’s just built into the cells and then it infects ourselves. But that has to be proven and shown. And I think that science is starting to be available for us. And if anybody has that science, I’d like to know so I could share it. But beyond your health, animal stress. Well, here they talk about animal stress as an indicator of poor animal welfare and it reflects upon us as a human species and it starts to affect how we treat other humans and how we just manage society in general.

And I think it shows just kind of how poorly we treat animals. We’ll turn around and how poorly we treat children, how poorly we treat workers. When I’m having a conversation with her, I start getting into that. If the animals are treated bad, how do they treat the workers? And of course they’re treating the animals or they’re killing a lot of these people. Animals are skinned alive, but they turn around and treat the workers really poorly. They have such a high turnover in these slaughterhouses that the 100% turnover, they can’t get workers from the United States.

So they bring in illegal immigrants to fill those slots. And then the illegal immigrants are just treated horribly. Because they can. And so that’s being, you know, hidden behind, you know, if, if you’re ignorant, ignorance is bliss. And so that’s part of her message as well. So this is a hard show. I hope you get something out of it and you share it. And we understand that, you know, as quantum physics becomes an energy, becomes more understood, we can start understanding what the ramifications of just poor human behavior, poor procedures, and how it affects us. And the cost is very real.

I bet you the cost to human health for these conditions way exceeds the cost to put something in Purdue procedures that are humane. I’m just going to throw that out there, but I’d like to have hard science behind that. And for people to start doing that kind of research, being clueless and mindless has a consequence. So anyways, before I get into this, I want to remind you to subscribe to my newsletter. You can go to sarah westall.com you can sign up there. My newsletter is also my substack, so Sarah Westall substack.com please subscribe. And you know, there’s so much competition now with all this mainstream media coming into this space.

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And the more exposure, the more we can just become better. Let’s become better. Okay, here we go into this topic on what goes on behind closed doors with animals. Hi, Gail, welcome to the program. Thanks, Sarah. Thanks for having me. There are a lot of things going on in our food system. People are really actually concerned that there’s an agenda to reduce our food system, to depopulate, to do all these things, to make things difficult. And there’s been quite a bit of evidence that that’s happening. But there’s also things going on as far as a abusing animals.

And the thing, you know, I’ve seen over the years, you, you see certain things, but you have been investigating this deeply. And some of the latest sciences. If you’re eating an animal that’s been killed in trauma, you actually get chemicals that aren’t even good for you. And so that’s why so many people are moving towards getting grass fed beef where they’re raised humanely and then killed humanely without trauma. So you’re not getting those chemicals. But before we dive into this, because I know there’s going to be a lot that we’re going to be sharing today. Can you give people your background? Sure.

I worked for the largest animal protection organization in the country for several years and I documented all sorts of abuses from rodeo to puppy mills to Santeria, which is animal sacrifice, to slaughterhouses and factory farm abuses and things like that. And I had a boss that wasn’t exactly, I, I got a new boss there and he wasn’t exactly on the side of the animals and he wouldn’t let me expose my slaughterhouse find. What do you mean he wasn’t on the side of animals? So was he just placed there as a place mark to be a gatekeeper? No, I think he fooled a lot of people.

They thought he was on the side of the animals. He was just wanted a job and he was just not really in. Was a conspiracy. Go ahead. A power trip, I think. Okay. In fact, he’s serving life in prison now. So. Okay, so he was not a good guy. So he would not let me exp. Slaughterhouse findings, which I had many. And so I went to work for Humane Farming association in California and they gave me the means to continue documenting violations. And, and then when the media, the network media refused to expose my violations because they said it was too disgusting, he’s my supervisor said why don’t you write a book about it? Because we needed to get the information out.

So I wrote my first book called Slaughterhouse that Way. And it was a resounding success because people were shocked to know that the Humane Methods of Slaughter act, which had been on the books for 43 years, have not been enforced. And in fact, I convinced a Washington Post reporter to do a big front page story on my violations. And Congress was outraged that the, that the law that had been on the books for more than 40 years had been zero budgeted. It had no money put toward enforcement. So after that, some, some money, some millions were put into enforcing the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act.

And it’s still very, very far from perfect, but. Well, let’s get, let’s look at the science. I, I know you, I want to get to some of the things that You’ve experienced because I know that you were. You were attacked, at least, you know, from a person standpoint. I don’t know about physically, but you know how all of the people who. But most whistleblowers or investigative journalists really get pushback, and it’s really difficult. But I want to look at the science a bit because I think people are starting to realize that consuming animals that are in these trauma states is not good for us.

Have you uncovered any of that information? I just know what happens to the animals, and it can’t be good for us because they’re so stressed out. I mean, the animals I interviewed. For my first book, I interviewed workers and meat inspectors who had spent a combined total of 3 million hours on the kill floor. And without exception, every one of them had either engaged in or observed animals being beaten, strangled, skinned, scalded, or dismembered while fully conscious. Ah, yeah. Gosh. I mean, why would we need to do that in any kind of slaughterhouse? Why would that be necessary? Well, there’s been a lot of consolidation in the meat industry in the last several decades, and there are.

Are fewer slaughterhouses killing more animals. So you have slaughterhouses. There’s, I think, something like 14 plants that kill 59 of all hogs and 12 plants kill 49 raw cattle. And the result is, in order to do that, you have. You have to increase line speeds, production line speeds, the disassembly line, basically. And the result is you have slaughterhouses that kill. Well, a while ago, I visited one slaughterhouse in North Carolina that killed 144,000 pigs a week. And they’ve increased their line speeds to 35,000 pigs a day. I mean, you couldn’t disassemble 35,000 toasters in a day, no less kill humanely.

35,000 pigs a day. And the new administration has just recently lifted the cap of. It was 1106 hogs per line per hour. That was one hog every three seconds. And they just lifted that cap so that you can kill hogs as fast as you want now? Well, I do think. I do. I’m not a big regulation thing. I think creating arbitrary regulations like that isn’t. But humane processes should be. What are they? Why aren’t they. I mean, why do they feel the necessary need to abuse these animals? I think the reason why I keep going back to the science is I think we can convince people to stop some of these practices if they knew how harmful it was to have these chemicals in the meat that you’re consuming.

Right. Well, I Mean, the bottom line is that when line speeds are so outrageously fast, a minute of downtime, like if you slow or stop the line for a live animal costs hundreds of dollars or even maybe thousands of dollars. And so the line doesn’t stop for injured workers, it doesn’t stop for contaminated meat, and certainly doesn’t stop for slower, uncooperative animals. But as far as the science goes, I’m not an expert on ingesting stress hormones that the animals produce when they’re skinned alive or scalded alive, but I would like to know more about that. Yeah, I want to know that because I think there’s a big movement.

Like I was saying, I only eat grass fed meat from animals that are raised humanely, especially like the cow with their mother who. And then they get killed in a very stress less environment as much as possible. That’s what I want to consume. That’s what I want my family to consume. Because I know that from what I’ve read the sciences, it’s not good. But because we are always in a mass production, we’re creating some of the worst environments for the animals and for ourselves. And it’s just this dark. It’s just dark. And you know, you are what you consume, you are how you treat innocent life.

And we just aren’t doing that and we don’t care. Apparently the only way that you can stop that is by redirecting your funds to areas that don’t do this. That. Right, right. I mean, that’s how you change behavior. You redirect your funds to the places that do act humanely. Right. You’ve seen behavior that is bad in other areas as well, like puppy farms. And you know, well, there’s the infamous Fauci experiment with puppies where they, he just subjected it to fruit or flies to see how long that they could, you know, take the damage. They had to do it in another country because in this country it wasn’t legal.

But what are you seeing? I mean, even though it’s not legal, they do it anyways because there’s zero budget to even, or there was for the longest time, zero budget to even do anything about it. I know with like puppies and, and pets, I see a lot of rescue animals and a lot of my family or friends have taken on rescue animals that have been in pretty severe environments. There was a dog that I just saw last summer who was used for reproduction. And this particular animal, this puppy was so it was a dog, he was like 8 years old, 9 years old.

He wasn’t allowed to move his entire life. Right. He was in a cage as a toilet. He didn’t even know how to go to the bathroom on his own. You know, that’s what puppy mills do. They just cram the. The breeding dogs in these cages without appropriate protection from the elements. And then after they’re. They’ve. After they’re no longer as productive as they would. Would like them to be, they just shoot them. So I mean, it’s just like after they’re done, after they’re done past their reproductive age, they just kill them. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, it’s really bad.

They have no veterinary care whatsoever. And you go to a puppy mill and there’s just mounds of feces under the cages, and they don’t have room to. To walk or move around. It’s just really. How do you know? Okay, so how do you know whether you’re adopting a puppy from an environment like that versus one that’s humane? How does the average person. Well, most puppy mill puppies are sold in pet stores. That’s why we say don’t buy puppies and pet stores. Okay. And so, so if you get it from a breeder online or something, how do you do or should you know, or.

I suppose I have a breeder that I like to use that almost all my family and friends have gone to because the puppies are so healthy. They’re not necessarily purebreds. They do kind of like a designer breed where they take two purebreds and put them together. They’re healthier, but all the puppies are just so healthy. And then the other thing about this breeder is that if you don’t want your puppy later on, let’s say you something happens, they take everyone back and re home them. It’s just a different environment. But you can tell because everybody’s happy.

Their puppies are healthy and happy. And it’s not always 100%. But how can you tell? Well, I mean, I would say go to the breeder and check out the. The establishment, see what it’s like. Because most of the puppy mills are located in the Midwest, in Pennsylvania, and people don’t go to those puppy mills if they wouldn’t be allowed on. They’re. They’re filthy. And just the conditions the animals are raised under are just atrocious. So if you buy from a breeder, the best thing is to go there to the breeder itself and check it out. And they lie.

Right? I mean, a lot of them are just gonna lie that the marketing is completely different than reality. Right, right. Yeah. A lot of the puppies from Puppy Mills are sick. It’s just terrible. Well, yeah, the puppies themselves are sick. Okay. So you experience a lot of personal challenges with what you were doing. Can you explain your story? Well, yeah, I like to talk about my story a little bit because I have a tendency to just talk about the violations I’ve documented because I’ve been working so long documenting these. And here’s my chance to tell people what’s going on.

But it’s important to say that my new book called out of Sight is about. It’s a memoir. It’s about my personal challenges in documenting and exposing these violations. And it’s. It’s part detective story, part memoir and part documentary, because there are a lot of antics that went on during my investigations. But the biggest problem was that I have a very unusual, also rare, visual processing problem, and I couldn’t find. It was like a mystery. And it’s a mystery throughout the book to try to figure out what is wrong with me as I’m trying to document all these violations and I can’t see straight.

But about 10 years ago, it was finally identified in the scientific literature as an actual neurological problem. And about three years ago, while I was writing out of Sight, I found out I was diagnosed, which was a wonderful thing because it changed everything for me. It wasn’t any longer, like, what is wrong with me? It’s like, now I know, and I know what’s right with me, too. So that’s good. So that was one of the things. There were other things, too. While I was documenting the fact that hogs at this very large slaughterhouse were not being properly rendered unconscious as was required by the humane methods of Slaughter Act.

And they were being. They were having their throats cut, but it was hard to cut their throats properly because they were not unconscious. And they were being immersed into the scalding tank for De Herring. And at that time, I had that terrible boss who wouldn’t let me expose this. And I was so stressed out. I think you’ll find this interesting, Sarah. I was so stressed out that I said, I’m so stressed out, it’ll be amazing if I don’t get breast cancer. And I was only 35 years old, and I got it six months later. Wow. You probably had a.

You just had an idea that that was happening already. Yeah, that’s part of our consciousness. Yeah. Yeah. So that was one thing. Another thing was there was a robbery that I was party to in which one of three gunmen actually Shot somebody in my presence. That was another antic. There were these incredible cover ups by the US Secretary of Agriculture in one case in Florida. Florida, where cows were having their heads skinned while they’re still fully conscious. And he, he, he was required through the whistleblower litigation that we were engaged in, he was required to write a report about the operation.

And he wrote a glowing report about what a wonderful slaughterhouse it was. And everybody knew it wasn’t. And I had documented the fact that the claims were in fact true. Anyways, the slaughterhouse shut down and went out of business. It was the biggest slaughterhouse in the southeastern United States and had plans to expand. And it shut down and went out of business the following week. Never, never opened up again. Why? Because of your. When you expose it or what caused it to shut down? We think so at the time, we figured out that the assistant secretary for meat inspection and marketing was having her cows slaughtered there.

And she was a very high profile person in the National Cattlemen’s association at the time. And it was quite an embarrassment that her cows, the secretary, Assistant Secretary for meat inspection were having their heads skinned while they were still fully conscious. And we exposed that and then all of a sudden the company just shut down, sent everybody home and that was the end of the company. Wow. So that there’s more things going on when that kind of stuff happens. Who do you think is behind, you know, terrorizing you and doing the tactics they were doing? Was it.

Go ahead. I mean, I, I personally wasn’t really terrorized because especially when I wrote my, well, both of my books so far. But you said that you had some kind of gunman come to you or whatever. What was that? Oh yeah, that was, that was an anomaly. That was. Oh, so you don’t think that was tied to anything? You just. No. Oh no. Okay. That was just an antic. In the book. Yeah, but I, I’m not, I’m not terrorized, I believe, because everything that I say is the truth. And so they can’t, they can’t come at me because they know that everything I’m saying is the truth.

But we also had these terrible clashes with these state attorneys general in like five or six states where we tried to get the laws enforced, the anti cruelty statutes enforced. And in these cases where animals were being absolutely brutalized, and in every case it was just invariably the state attorneys general refused to take action and always, always sided with Big Ag. And why do you think that is? Why do you think that they are not willing to do some of the basics for the animals. Because are they concerned about people having food or are they just wanting to protect the money flow coming in? Money flow coming in.

And yeah, what. In all your research, would it harm our food system? Could you implement these practices and still keep the food coming in at a reasonable price for the population? If you slowed line speeds down, I mean, and if, if people bought locally and also if people ate maybe a little bit less meat. Because I’ll just throw out a statistic which is really shocking. 55 years ago, we slaughtered 10 billion animals in the world each year. And. And Today we’re slaughtering 10 billion animals in the United States alone each year. So our consumption has gone way up.

And a lot more animals are involved in the, in the cycle. Why. Why do you think that’s gone so far? It’s increased so much. We just. A lot more meat. Yeah, we. We eat more meat. We’ve exported our consumptive ways to countries that didn’t used to eat meat. I mean, there’s like hog factory, a hog factory farm in China that is 26 stories tall. It’s like an office building. And that’s. This is all new. Asia didn’t used to be a big meat consumer, but we’ve exported our consumptive ways. And also we’re eating more chicken. So the numbers of animals killed has gone way.

Okay. Because it’s a larger chicken amount and. Yeah, it’s like we kill more birds in one day now than we did in the entire year of 1930. So my question for you. I’m not a big fan of bugs. I don’t think bugs are good for you. And there’s this big movement to get people off of meat to bugs. Are you one of those? Or you just think we just need to. You’re fine with the system? It just needs to be done more humanely. Yes, it needs to be done more humanely. Okay, well, I am. I don’t even buy most of my meat from that.

I buy it from a place that, like I said at the beginning, I, I don’t want those stress hormones. My. But see, it’s more expensive. So you have to be willing to spend a little bit more money. And we are the goal. Maybe you spend more money or just eat a little less and maybe we can get the price down. My kids won’t even eat chickens. They claim that they’re not going to eat chickens that are tortured. They call it tortured chickens. They won’t have eggs from tortured chickens. They want pasture raised. That’s them. I’M not even that extreme, but my kids are really extreme with that because they think that you’re getting bad stress hormones from that.

They’ve done all this research and they’re all into it and, and there’s, there’s evidence to show that we, and maybe it’s causing some of the issues that we have. I don’t know. I think we need to look into some of these details more. But is it what you’re saying? It’s not just the slaughterhouses you’re saying, and it’s not just the puppy mills. You’re seeing it in rodeos, you’re seeing it all over the place. Is it just an attitude that we have in our culture that we don’t value animals? Just a short break to share with you an amazing peptide.

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And it’s also like ignorance is bliss. I, I My new book out of Sight talks a lot about factory farms and what goes on inside them. I mean like you mentioned eggs. That’s a good example because most hens that are kept for, for eggs are kept in six to 10 birds in a cage the size of a microwave and that’s not acceptable. Wow, 10, 10 birds of the size of a microwave. They’re given. Go ahead. They’re given 67 square inches of floor space. Well, cage floor space, which is Wire flooring, which cuts into their little feet.

And that’s less than a sheet of letter sized paper that they’re given their entire life. Their whole life. Yeah. Don’t they cut off their beaks so they don’t sit and hit each other because they’re too close? Well, it’s because they’re so, they become so aggressive because they, they want to kill each other under those circumstances. They use a hot blade and they cut off a portion of their top beak, they call it the beacon, so that they don’t kill each other. And they can be right next to each other in close chambers. But they still, they still become featherless.

I mean, they attack each other because it’s so frustrating to be in those conditions. And then the 300 million male chicks that are produced that hatch, there’s no use for them. So they’re just, as soon as they’re hatched, they sex the chicks and they figure out their males and they throw them into a macerator where they’re ground up alive. 300 million chickens. So your kids are pretty smart. So they kill them. What. But what is the humane thing to do with the male chickens? Well, they’re starting to do research where they can actually sex the chick while it’s in the egg.

And that way they can just destroy the egg. Okay, so that’s more humane is what they’re thinking. Right? They’re working on that. They’re starting to do that. And in Europe they’re doing, they’re selling eggs from laying hens whose male chicks have not been macerated or male chicks have not been macerated or smothered. Wow. Okay. So there are methods to be more humane. What do you think it does to the human psyche when we’re not humane to animals? What do you think it does to this planet and to the. I’m just curious if there, there’s so much more science.

You know, I’ve been doing a lot more human development story, you know, like where we’re going from a human development, there’s so much about energy and it’s kind of woo, woo, but quantum energy is starting to document from a science standpoint that this, this is real. So what do you think it does to humans when we’re not humane to animals? What does it do? I mean, first of all, people don’t know, but that’s why I’m doing what I’m doing. But the people that carry out that work in these operations, they become really messed up. I mean, because it’s hard to have to kill an animal and put it into a scalding tank while it’s still fully conscious.

So they’re not killing it literally. They’re. They’re doing what they call sticking it, which means cutting the throat. But yeah, they don’t bleed out and they go into the scalding tank alive. I’ve talked with so many workers who have talked about the toll it’s taken on them. I mean, they go home and they abuse their spouses. They end up in jail for aggressive behavior. So it, it takes a toll on them. Because. Hold on a second. I think the. Because we’re all a little bit of. We’re all a little psychic. I’m wondering if that psychic energy from that animal penetrates into them.

Probably just like you got breast cancer from the stress and you just knew that. You somehow knew that. I’m just wondering if there’s this ongoing psychic energy that they keep getting. Not only do they feel. Feel horrible for doing that, but they’re also getting the messages from the animals. Right. I agree with that completely. I mean, those workers talked about wanting to slit the throats of their supervisors. And that’s because they were trying to slit the throats of live, kicking, squealing animals. And it just comes back into them and then they want to do it to somebody else.

It’s just, it’s really, it’s really bad. Yeah. And well, you know, and I, I’m not saying killing animals is necessarily bad because I eat, you know, I have grass fed cows and then the animal is slaughtered. But there’s a way that they do it without inducing stress hormones. And the life before that time is, is good. It’s enjoyable for them. Right. So, you know, I’m not saying personally, I’m not saying, but there has to be something that affects us humans because goes around and what you’re creating comes back on you. Right. And what you said about quantum energy is really true.

So I mean, it’s all energetic, it’s all energy. What we’re doing to the animals is coming back to bite us in many ways. So where can they find information? Your book, which documents all this stuff. I know we have so many hard things going on, but the thing is, is that we have to explore, expose these dark things and then fix it. Right. I mean, that’s how we get better, is that we don’t. We’re not. Ignorance is bliss. We learn about this crap and then we do something about it. Right, right. I mean, I can tell you that.

And then I can tell you another story about the types of things that we do routinely that are standard agricultural practices. Yeah, tell us that, that. Oh, okay. You can tell us where they can get your stuff first. Go ahead. Okay. At, at my website, it’s www.galeisniths.com. that’s G-A I L E I S N I T Z dot com. So they can get it anywhere. They can get on Amazon anywhere. So, but I mean, to give you another example, this is perfect example. We all have heard about avian influenza and how it’s affecting millions of birds.

Well, so they decided the way to deal with it was to kill 175 million birds. And the way they do that is, is a pro. Generally there are several ways they do it, but one of the ways they do it is called ventilation shutdown plus. And it’s exactly what it sounds like. It’s they shut off the ventilation fans in the barns, seal up the barn inlets, pump in added steam or added heat, and let the birds or the pigs just bake to death over hours and hours. Oh, really? Yeah. 175 million birds. A million. During the COVID pandemic, a million pigs were depopulated in that manner as well.

They just saw it like an excruciating death over a period of many, many hours. Yes. And if they don’t die, if the pigs didn’t die by the next morning, they come through with a captive bolt gun which shoots a metal rod into their head and knocks them out. But first they have to bake to death. They, they suffocate. It’s just, and this is a standard agricultural practice which is accepted by the American Veterinary Medical association, which is in bed with the meat industry. What’s a better way to do that? Well, there are alternatives there. Another way that they do it is they use what’s called water based foam, which is firefighting foam, and they spra it into the barns, up and over the chickens or the pigs and they drown.

But a better way to do it is to use nitrogen or argon, their inner gases. And the animals can’t. Don’t feel that they’re suffocating. They go to sleep. I mean, they should, that would be the best. They go to sleep and then they die. And it’s not that bad. It’s like us, when we go under to get surgery, you just go to sleep and then you die. Right. But the thing is, is that the system is so messed up, we shouldn’t have to kill 175 million birds. It’s just because the conditions in Factory farms are so hostile and disease promoting that this is what happens.

The way we raise the animals is just why is it so disease promoting? Because that is what we want to ferret out too, because we don’t want these diseases to affect us in the first place. Why are, are the conditions, I mean, it has to get so bad where they’re killing so much of their inventory. I mean, they don’t want to kill their inventory either. I wouldn’t think so. How do you, what is it the conditions that are causing this? It’s just, it’s just so crowded. They put, you know, a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand birds in a, in a cage free operation, which is supposed to be cage free, which is totally different than pasture raised.

They’re only, they’re only given one square foot of space per bird. The conditions are filthy. They’re crammed in there and, and also the ones in the cages that I described to you, laying hens in the cages and the broilers that are crammed in, 50,000 birds per shed, it’s just. And how about the pigs and the cows? How are they, are they given a limited space as well? Well, yeah, especially the breeding pigs. If I told you what they did to breeding pigs, the poor mother pigs, they keep them in gestation crates which are 2ft wide or less and 7ft long.

The animals are 400 to 600 pounds and they’re in 2 foot wide cage and they’re living above the waste pit. And they get sores all over their faces and their shoulders and their hindquarters from constant contact with the bars. And that’s where they spend their lives, in gestation crates. And they get respiratory diseases because they’re living over the waste pit. Pigs are actually very, very clean animals. If they’re given an outdoor space, they design one area, a latrine and stay away from that except for it to go to the bathroom. But here they’re living over their waste pit, inhaling the noxious fumes.

They get respiratory illnesses, they get arthritis, they collapse in their crates, they’re dragged out by their snouts or their legs and they’re put into a pile. And if they’re lucky, they get shot. But if they don’t get shot, then what happens? They die of starvation or dehydration? Oh, they just let them die there because they can’t move because their, their muscles are atrophied. Right, it’s. And that’s the way I think 60% of breeding sounds are kept in gestation craze. What does it say about us as humans that we do this? I find it bewildering, but I read a lot of Holocaust memoirs to understand how we can be so cruel.

How, how, what have you learned about what? I mean, it’s going on in Gaza right now where some of the things we’re doing is just so cruel and we’re all turning a blind eye to that as well. What is it that you’ve learned about how humans can be this cruel? I’m not sure how to answer that, except for. To say that. I mean, the reason I read the Holocaust memoirs is to. For it to register in me to think that if humans could be that cruel, then it makes sense that they do this to animals. I mean, humans are an evil species.

That’s what you think. It’s just because we’re inherently evil. I don’t think everybody’s evil because I think there’s. There. The majority of. They have to hide it from the majority of the people because the majority of the people wouldn’t stand for it. Right, right. But they do a great job hiding it. I mean, and, and what they feed these animals, that’s another reason that they become sick. I mean, beef cattle are fed, are kept on feedlots for about six months and they’re, they’re fed a diet of corn and soy, but if they were kept longer than six months, their livers would blow out because that’s too, too high caloric, too high calories for them to be able to assimilate.

And they’re fed, get this, Sarah, they’re fed meal from chicken feathers, poultry litter. That’s the crap off of poultry floor, floors and poultry houses, dead pigs and fish. So when, then we were actually fed feces. Yeah, well, because that’s what we eat then. And so how harmful is it for us to be eating a cow that has that in their diet? Yeah, that’s the, that’s the stuff we, what we need, what we really need are for people to understand the science of their bodies and how it’s affecting us. Because we can’t, this is not. We don’t, we don’t get to get away with doing this without it coming boomerang back on us.

Right. That’s not how things work. Yeah, I like the way you think because that’s like really, really important. So I just can’t believe they’re feeding them feces. I mean that isn’t, that’s, that’s killing them. And so we’re eating meat from, that is being nourished from Poison, essentially. So feathers to feed them feathers. Is it laziness that’s causing that? Because I can see the soy and the corn bean, you know, the corn and all that stuff. But why would they put the other stuff. Stuff in there? I don’t understand. What is the. The benefit of even putting that in there other than to harm humans? I mean, I don’t know.

No, I think it’s a way to make money, make profit off of something that would otherwise just be waste. Geez. Okay, okay, that. That does make sense, actually, because they just. You get to a point, if you become psychotic, if you’re like a psychotic business person that becomes a narcissist, you don’t care. You just want to make profit and you’re forced to keep your costs down as low as possible. You. And you’re just this psychopath. You would do things like that. And then the people who work in those environments would be ill, mentally ill too. They’d eventually.

Or they leave. Right. Well, I know the turnover rates in slaughterhouses is extreme. It are extremely high. Turnover rate is over 100 per year in some slaughterhouses because it’s just too awful to work there. And it’s also paid. Go ahead. It’s also extremely grueling. The work is extremely hard. Do they get paid very well? No, they don’t get paid that much. I’m not sure what. What they get paid right now, but it’s probably about 17 an hour or something. God, why would anybody take a job like that? When you can go work at McDonald’s or you can work at Home Depot or you can work almost anywhere besides that? That’s why we have so many undocumented workers in slaughterhouses in factory farms.

Is it mostly undocumented workers that are working in those conditions? It’s largely undocumented workers. Is there trafficking of human workers in those conditions? Are they not just undocumented? Are they trafficked? I mean, they’re. What’s the word there? People go down to Mexico to encourage them to come up here to work in slaughterhouses. I just wonder if these people are actually paid properly. I mean, is it a trafficking network to these slaughterhouses? That would be an investigation. I’m not claiming it is. I don’t know. But that would be ripe. Something like this would be ripe for that kind of environment, right? Yeah.

And those workers. I’ve spoken with many undocumented workers and many documented workers, and they’re treated so poorly, especially the undocumented ones. When they are injured on the job, they put them on light duty afterwards, after they tell them that they should go back to work, they have a company doctor that the worker has to go to. And the company doctor says, you can go back to work now, you can do light duty. And then next thing they know, they’re fired. So. Well, but see, that’s the point. The human, the human cost of that is that if you’re doing this kind of behavior, then you’re also going to.

It’s going to bleed into everything else that you do do. Right. You can’t be a good human being in other areas if you’re not in this area. Right, exactly. That’s true. Yeah. I mean, it’s just the way it is. That’s why you have to rise up and be better everywhere. If you’re going to be better, you can’t just talk a good talk and then do this. No, we have to be better everywhere. So, okay, you can’t exploit one population and not exploit. Exploit another. I mean, if you’re gonna skin animals alive, have your workers skin animals alive, you’re not going to treat your workers very well.

That’s right. It’s a condition of your mind. You, you, you’re not compartment. It’s not possible to compartmentalize being a good person. You, you are either not or you are. And all of that will bleed over everywhere. And if those are the types of procedures and things that we accept, that’s what we’re going to get everywhere. Right, Exactly. So. Okay, well, again, your website and your book. And go ahead. Okay. It’s www gail eis.com. it’s G A I L E I S n I t z.com and my book is called out of Sight and Invest. An Undercover Investigator’s Fight for Animal Rights and Her Own Survival.

Thank you so much for all the work that you’re doing. Really appreciate it. Thank you for having me and letting me talk about it, Sam.
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