By Design or Organic? Profound Culture Change Oncoming and Accelerating w/ Dr. Drew

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➡ The speaker discusses the sexual revolution and its unintended consequences, emphasizing the importance of educating young people about sexual health and safe practices. They also express concern about the current extreme climate and the need for balanced conversations about sexuality. The speaker criticizes the media and government’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, arguing that fear and panic were unnecessarily spread. They express disappointment in the CDC and Dr. Fauci, whom they had previously trusted. The speaker also criticizes those who lean into totalitarian impulses and those who desire such control, calling it un-American. They conclude by warning that social evils are often done in the name of social good.
➡ The speaker is discussing their observations and theories about the current state of society. They believe that people are under extreme stress due to various factors, including the fallout from COVID-19, political issues, and economic struggles. They also suggest that powerful figures may be using blackmail to manipulate others. The speaker is curious about the motivations behind certain behaviors and is seeking to understand the world better. They also express concern about the younger generation’s struggles with affordability and forming relationships.
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➡ The speaker discusses their love for change and how it can lead to resilience and efficacy. They observe that younger generations, particularly Gen Z and Alpha, are leaning more towards right-wing politics and are less politically engaged, focusing more on their personal lives and local communities. The speaker also compares the current political climate to the Reagan era, noting that despite initial fears, Reagan’s policies were successful. They express hope for a similar positive shift in the current climate, drawing parallels with a personal anecdote from the 1980s. The speaker also discusses the potential for political change in Europe, particularly in France, and criticizes the EU and the World Health Organization for their centralized authority.
➡ The text discusses concerns about global organizations, the potential shift in the world’s economic system, and the increasing digitalization of our world. It also touches on the role of non-governmental organizations (NGOs) in government functions, and the importance of freedom of speech. The speaker expresses worry about the future and the need for more people with digital expertise in government.
➡ The speaker discusses the current state of media, highlighting the decline of traditional platforms like radio and late-night shows due to lack of a sustainable business model. They express concern over societal hysteria and narcissism, comparing it to historical events like the French Revolution and 1939 Germany. They also emphasize the importance of open discourse and listening to different perspectives, criticizing those who try to silence others. Lastly, they express hope for a return to reality and sanity, and the need for media to promote healthier behaviors and attitudes.

You know, back when on mtv, the right was not happy with me at all. I was advocating for morning after contraceptive, I was adding for the advocating for the HPV vaccine there was. And what I was really fighting at the time, what bothered me was not that they were telling us how to live our lives on the right, which they used to do, but that they didn’t understand science and they were arguing from a place of complete lack of understanding of the science. And that used to bug me now. Now we’re in outer space with everything.

Quick break from the program to share with you something amazing. This is called sloop. It’s actually Slupp 332 but it’s been shortened to Sloop. And this thing mimics exercise. It seems too good to be true. I first shared this on my sub stack and I had Dr. Diane Kaiser and we went through all the benefits of this and the whole thing sold out. You can’t get it anywh really across the industry and the people who are using it the most are athletes and bodybuilders and people who want to see extra performance in athletics. Because this in preclinical studies with mice increased their endurance by 70% and their distance by 45%.

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Diane recommends doing one capsule a day until your body gets used to it. You might not see the same level of results or right away that the mice did, but your body can get used to it and see if it’s something that you really want to do. If you are interested in this I will have a link below so you can try it yourself or go to sarahwestall.com under shop. Remember to use the code Sarah to save 10%. Welcome to business. Game changers. I have Dr. Drew coming on the program. Been wanting to interview him for a while.

He’s one of those people that many my age grew up, you know, coming to age doctor on mtv talking with comedian Carolla about all these like topics. He was the Serious one with this comedian. We’re like, what the heck? It was actually pretty cool. He was bringing topics to young people that they really needed to know about, but he was bucking the system back then. Back then, we think it’s totally vanilla now. Back then it was a big deal. So we’re going to talk about how far the culture has come and how, I mean, we’ll kind of laugh about it.

Because back then it was, I mean, that you said you couldn’t even get condoms over the counter. I mean, you had to go and get it behind the counter. I mean, that’s how taboo these topics were. Now it’s. It’s gone over the edge the other direction. He’s like, I swear this wasn’t what we were trying to do. We were just trying to inform the public. And that’s the whole thing is that there are good people trying to do good things and you go bump from one extreme to the other. And the people that used to were trying to just expose people to normal things.

Back then we were considered. And he more than me. I mean, I wasn’t public back then, but we’re considered like on the left. And then all of a sudden now we’re far right. It is absurd how far the culture has gone. But I wanted to also talk to him about this. What’s happening to young people and the collapse that’s happening, you know, especially with younger millennials who are not able to purchase a home, especially millennials that are 30 year old and married with children compared to four decades ago, that it just went down like a rock as far as being able to purchase a home and how that affects their psyche and what’s going on, what’s going on in culture and why, you know, after.

And we. He talks bluntly about what happened during COVID I do too. I mean, you know, we all got to experience that. I was on the front lines before. Pretty much everybody just saying this is all bs and the thing is, it’s all coming out that it was. And. And people couldn’t see through it. It was. I was horrified from the beginning and early on and there were doctors that were speaking out and it was incredible how, how they were treated. And we talk about that and then we get into other issues that are important right now.

So I hope you enjoy. Actually, I enjoyed this conversation because we weren’t afraid to go into places, and I’m never afraid to go into places. So it’s good to bring someone like him that isn’t. That’s refreshing. Okay. I Want to share with you before we get into this, I wanted to share with you. BPPC157. It is the body protection compound is really what it stands for. And let me tell you some of these things that it does is. I gotta get my glasses on. I gotta tell you this. It’s incredible. You know, Joe Rogan talked about how much it helped him and so it kind of got really popular.

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Okay, I will have the link below or you can go to sarah westall.com under shop. And remember to use Sarah to save 10%. Okay, let’s get into my really fantastic conversation with Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew, welcome to the program. Pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me. You are an interesting icon. I would say you’re you. When I growing up, you were a pop icon in a way. You were on. The first time I remember seeing you was on mtv. I think it was mtv, wasn’t it? Where you had your show, getting questions. You were just different from the beginning.

So we had been doing a radio show for many years on this topic. This is a long story here. So I was a medical student and overnight a radio station in Los Angeles became the number one station, which is in the number one radio market in the country. To have that happen overnight was just unheard of. And the station happened to be like virtually across the street. From where I lived. And so people were starting to socialize with the disc jockeys and the musicians over there. And one day they called me and they go, you know, do you own the radio station? I go, yeah, I’m listening now.

And they said, well, they have this show, it’s midnight to 3 on Sunday night, midnight to 3am and they type calls and they answer questions. They want you to come in and they want you to do a segment called Ask a Surgeon. It’ll be really funny, don’t worry. I’m like, what the, like, why do you, what are you talking about? And I eventually was persuaded to go up there and was just, I’ll never forget that first night. I was just like, oh my God, this is where young people are coming to ask their most important health questions.

And I just kind of said, you know, can I keep coming back? And I did it. I kept coming back that first night. I had my textbooks with me. It was crazy. I was so nervous. And I did it for 10 years for free, one night a week, most of the time thinking I was doing community service. And it was really what we were just starting to call aids. We just stopped calling grids. That was a primary motivator because, you know, we’d just been through the so called sexual revolution perpetrated by adults and they never contemplated, never, that adolescents would have any change in their behavior as a result of what they had done.

And, and I, of course, I was 24 years old and I knew what people were up to. And I thought they, they need to know this simple first of all, but what is sexually transmitted diseases, how to manage your reproductive health, what, you know, what motivates you in a relationship, all this stuff, so easy to understand. I just thought they need to understand this. I got to keep coming back. And, and no one was talking to them about aids. No one. It was crazy. It’s amazing how far our culture has come since then. It seems so innocent, right? So, and condoms were behind the counter with the antihypertensive medication.

You’d have to ask the pharmacist to bring out a condom. Imagine you’re 17, that’s a big deal to try to do that. And the term safe sex had not been coined yet. We were talking about that before the term had even been coined for sure. And the other thing I want people to know is we did not intend what has happened here. We did not intend the present situation at all. I tell people I’m like a time traveler. I’ve come from a separate era different time. And I’ve come forward through time to give you some information.

Please listen to me. We did not intend this. This was not what we were working on. We were working on just really, we were really. We were trying to dampen some of the sexual acting out and, and, and the consequences from it, you know, the biological consequences. Well, isn’t it a balanced conversation? Right. I mean, any extreme is a problem where you shut it off, where people aren’t able to learn about what the truth is. Yeah. From. Yeah. I mean, it’s just one extreme or the other. Isn’t. Right now we’re in a pretty extreme climate. Yeah.

And when it. For sure, in all respects, when it comes to sexuality though, the, this idea that everything has to be sex positive or I don’t want to hear about it. It’s like that’s there. Medicine is. And really at the base is how adulterated medicine has become. You know, the fact is human behavior is quantum, is complicated, that there’s good and bad to everything and there’s consequences we need to talk about from certain choices. And there is psychopath and there is brain disease. Those things exist and you know. And that gets expressed through sexuality Many times.

Yeah. Wow. Well, you were a pioneer in just going in. You were different. That’s what I’m trying to say that you were. But no, but in a good way because you’re, you were always willing to just tackle the. What’s happening when it really needs to be tackled. And so you were one of the doctors that are mainstream. I mean, you’re pretty in the middle, but yet are saying, hey, wait a minute, there’s something going on here now that’s not healthy either. And so now you’re starting to, you’re different in that way. You’re saying, okay, the world is out of balance.

There are really things that we need to tackle. And I’m going to put myself forward in doing that. So it seems like. What would you say to that? I have. So there’s a lot in what you just said. I, I generally, you know, I practice medicine for years. I practice in multiple environments. In the icu, in the hospital, in the outpatient medicine. And then I was in the Psychiatric Hospital for 35 years doing various things. And then finally addiction medicine for 20 years there. And I’ve seen everything about the human experience and it has informed me.

I have opinions because of it. And I kind of have really solid instincts that I can trust. And when things seem out of line, I’m sort of obliged to speak up about it. And I kind of can’t help but speak up about it. And I’ve made a habit of going into environments where I don’t belong. In other words, you know, Loveline was me with a comedian in rock radio stations or on mtv. I don’t belong there. But that’s where the people were that needed the information. You were like a bright light because you were different. But.

But if I went. If I went to, you know, to a nursing home and gave a lecture, those aren’t the. That need the information. The people that needed the information were listening to radio and watching mtv. So I needed to put myself in there, no matter how uncomfortable it might have become for me. And actually, I discovered that the more uncomfortable, the more, the better my messages were received. So I got used to sort of speaking up and taking heat and being in environments that were uncomfortable. But when the COVID thing hit, I knew something was way out of line.

And I got actually a little too carried away with my anger at it because I thought it was the press perpetrating the whole thing. I never imagined that the government was involved with it, that that was a bridge too far from my imagination even. You know, it’s funny. I’m. I’m going to do something this afternoon on one of the news networks, and they want to talk about chicken, Chicken Younger, which is, oh, my God, Chicken Young is coming. Chicken young is the. 12 cases. 12 cases, everybody. Mosquito borne illness. What are we doing? What’s happening here? Why do you.

Why are we even. Why are you freaking reporting on it? It’s not, It’s. The doctors need to read the data and consider it. When somebody comes in with joint pain and a febrile illness, that’s it. It’s not. It’s very rare. Very rare. Should not be in the news. But they can’t resist this panic, fear. Panic fear. They get eyes for that, and then the government gets control for that. And that’s what I was reacting to so powerfully in the early days of COVID I was like, panic never makes things better. Fear never makes things better. Calm down.

We need leadership through these things. And I. The one thing I got wrong and I kept saying at the end of every comment I made, that was a little bit excessive. I was like, don’t worry about. Don’t worry, don’t worry. I kept saying, Let Dr. Fauci be your North Star. He helped me through the AIDS pandemic. He was very. He was a very useful leader through that. And the CDC has always been a great source of information throughout my career. So listen to the guys of the CDC. Listen to Dr. Fauci. They will get us through this.

And that is what I really got wrong. And the fact that that is true, that they were so adulterated that we couldn’t even rely on the source, and they consider themselves a centralized authority to tell doctors what to do, that’s disgusting. They were always a source of information to help us guide our decision making. But tell us what to do when something is way, way out of line, when a centralized authority is mandating physician practice. Yeah, absolutely. That’s. But do you think that there’s the cognitive dissonance, which is what you brought up earlier, of not, you know, the government being involved? I kind of compared it to people not believing that your parents would not love you.

You know what I mean? Like, you just can’t accept that. It’s almost like people see the government as their parents. Yes, yes. And I really don’t fully have my arms around people that lean into totalitarian impulses. People like Gavin Newsom, you know, and now his defenses. We didn’t know. And Carolla keeps saying, my old radio partner. Partner in mtv. You brought that up. Corolla keeps going, oh, really, Gavin, you didn’t know. So you closed the beaches. You don’t know. So you shut everything down. So you destroy businesses because you don’t know. You. When you don’t know, you become a totalitarian tyrant.

That’s. That’s not knowing. Come on. Disgusting. But what’s even more mysterious to me is people that want. Want that and respond to it. That. That is so sort of un American. It’s so bizarre to me. It’s so contrary to every instinct in my body that you would want to have a centralized authority mandating your behavior in regards to almost anything. And. And it went down under. Well, we’re just doing. We. We care. We care so much. So first of this, there’s virtue signaling, which. I’m better than you. I. Because I care. I follow what the governor is doing, wants us to do.

Because I. Because I. You what? You. You want people to die? That’s what. You’re bad. You want people to die. I care. So I’m doing this for the good of the whole. What they don’t understand is every social horror you can name, whether it was Pol Pot. I mean, they now have names now that we know were horror. But at the time, they were followed in the name of social good, of caring about other people doing what’s right. Always, always in the name of Social good, social evil is done in the name of the good. There’s not a circumstance where that has not been true in the modern era.

But that’s how they, they spin the propaganda of it for the people to accept it. I, I don’t know if the people behind it know all that is good, but maybe they do. I don’t know. Well, you know, see, you, you, you twisted my mind a bit too, talking about blackmailing and stuff like that. So I’m starting to see that everywhere now. And I’m starting to wonder. Well, I, but I want to know more. I, because I, I can’t make sense of things. So I’m trying to get information like that to help understand people’s behavior, what makes sense, right? It’s why irrational behavior is happening, and it just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

And it makes sense that powerful figures would use that so well, Power figures. But I wonder, I wonder how, how many different directions it goes. You know, I look at a guy like, who’s my, my congressman. I know the guy that Trump calls pencil neck. I mean, he’s, he says stuff. What’s his name? I’m blanking on his name. Where are you located? California. Southern California. Adam Schiff. Adam Schiff. I, I wonder. He gets up and lies his ass off, and I, and now I start to think, well, somebody got something on him. Is somebody making him do that? I mean, what’s motivating that? Where is that coming from? I, I, I wonder.

Yeah, because it makes no sense, right? And are they really that dumb? And people who say one thing publicly over and over and then all of a sudden change in a dime and it’s so obvious to the people that support them, like, what are you doing? It’s so weird. It’s so weird. Or are they just sociopaths? You know? You know, and as Adam and I used to always say, stupid or liar is really what it boils down to. Do you really. That’s stupid? Or are you a sociopath? Or, or blackmail? But then that goes into the liar thing again, too.

You’re lying because you’re blackmailed. Yeah. I wish I could see the world through your eyes. Well, I have a, you know, I’ve been, I’m going to do more research in this because I want to. I’m writing a book, and I have like five books worth of material. But the Roy Cohen thing is an American story. Him and Jim Rothstein. And I really want to get more of that information out there because it really, it, I think it’ll Help people understand. But it isn’t new. It’s not a new American thing. It’s just that we need to. And be watchful of it, you know, and understand it.

How do you, how do you understand our current moment? Like, where do you see the different here? I’m supposed to be getting interviewed, but I was looking forward to talking to you again. How do you see the different sort of sweeps of, of power and influence what’s going on here? Well, I think I, I think we’re in a very dangerous time. I sent you that article, I said from Substack and I really wanted to get your opinion on it because with your deep psychological background of decades of that field and I think that there’s a societal stress collapse.

And I. That was from millions of conversations from ChatGPT, right? Yeah. And I even went back this week and I kept doing different, you know, really challenging it. Are you really seeing this? And emphasically it comes back. Yes, yes. Every time in every direction that this is going on. And you know, and I will define this for people. Yes, I will. Yeah. And, and what it is, it’s a, it’s a collapse level stress and people are disengaging. They’re, they’re emotionally to the edge. They’re psychologically to the edge. They’re fight. You know, that’s emotionally psychological, financially to the edge.

They’re just really stressed out. The media acting like it’s, it’s just a normal situation is making it worse because we’re not addressing. I think it’s the fallout from COVID It’s the fallout from people not recognizing Epstein. I mean, you can’t have a high level pedophile that’s involved with all the powerful people in our country and ignore it. I mean, what’s your, what’s your, what’s your take on that? What’s your guess? And that’s obviously blackmail. And so what’s, what’s up there? What do you think? Well, oh, you look like, you look like you can’t tell me. No, you know what, here’s the deal.

I’ll give you my, you know, you know who Dave Janda is. He was worked for in some capacity for four different presidential administrations as an advisor, health advisor, and then different consultants and stuff. He asked me and we had a really great conversation last Sunday on his show. I was, I go on his show like every six weeks and I think we were able to summarize it really well. I think it’s a combination of things. I think that. But the Fact that Bongino and Bondi and Patel were so adamant and public saying they were going to release this information and then they don’t.

And same with Trump, and then they don’t. And they look like fools really do look bad. Okay. That to me means there’s something else going on. So I think that there is blackmail at another level behind the scenes. I think that there are. There’s too much on there. I think the intelligence community is coming forward and saying, hey, this is not good for national security. And I think there’s people who are blackmailed on this that are gonna. It’s too widespread. I think they’re making a mistake because at some point national security is cleaning this up. But is there, is there a world where this is a temporal solution? Like, let’s forget about it for now.

We’ll get it. We’ll get it to you. I promised it. It’ll happen. You know, like they’re cleaning it up behind the scenes somewhere where they can make. I don’t know. I feel like they’ll tell us when they can. I think that this is a complicated situation and I. So I think the people who are just screaming, pulling their hair out, saying that Trump’s a pedophile, that’s why he’s not releasing, I think is too simplistic. Of course. Yeah. And I don’t, I don’t think that’s a fair assignment. I smell money, like, big, like Qatari money or Saudi money or, or balance of power issues in the Middle East.

You know, something in that. Like that. I think it’s war. Yeah. Where they can’t. Somebody came to us and said, don’t do that, or we’re no longer your ally or something crazy like that, you know? And that’s blackmail. Right. Isn’t that still blackmail? That’s blackmail. And they have. They’re using it to blackmail. And I think it’s something really serious. And I think the fact that the global, the economy is shifting over, I think it could be tied to that. It’s. It’s pretty serious stuff. And so when they say national security is behind it, I mean, nobody’s come out and said that, but I think the writing is on the wall and some of that stuff.

There likely is some serious things. But behind national. They use national security to hide crimes, too. So, you know, this has to be cleaned up, period. You got to clean. And you’re not going to get rid of blackmail forever because that’s what they do. But you can’t help. I feel like one of The. One of the sources of. I feel the stress, too, you were talking about a few minutes ago that the AI was picking up. And I feel like the only solution is what’s happening is tearing these systems down, completely exposing them, cracking them open, defunding them, that these crazy influence have been running amok in our society.

And I think those are really what created all the discord and stress and probably also much of the economic problems, because they certainly weren’t adding to the economy, and they certainly weren’t helping us get out of the economic situation or making life more affordable, which is what needs to happen. And I kind of occasionally can fill my lungs with air when I see things going down that I. That. Okay, let’s. Let’s get that. Let’s clean that up. Clean that up. So on one hand, you know, this isn’t the first time in history that humans have been in a very stressful circumstance, right? I mean, my God, there have been worse.

I do believe that a lot of the burden is being borne mostly by sort of millennial age people. For them, when you really look at what’s stressing them out, it sort of boils down to two things. Affordability and their inability to have relationships that the males have been so crushed. I was at a comedy show last night, and there were a couple millennial males who. It was actually, it was sort of a comedy dating thing show. And they brought people up and tried to match them up and things. And I was watching the young men. I finally blurted out of my mouth, what is wrong with these men? They.

They can’t. They cannot say, I would like to take you out or I would not like to take you out, or here’s what I’d like to do with you. They literally, the. The only thing I heard was, I don’t know, what do you want to do? It was. I was like, oh, my God, no wonder women are frustrated. And they were. They were like. And they’re. And the women are fine with yes or no, but they’d like a yes or no, please. It’s like. And they. We have really crushed. And then you. Once you’ve crushed men and made them frightened us to interact with a woman for being fear of being called toxic or rapist.

I mean, they were schooled on this all the way through their development, and now they lack the skill to do this. That takes time to develop the capacity to form and break relationships and date. And this is a skill set. And I’ve seen it in people close to me where they literally have the Basic questions like, so how do you have a conversation? Or what is it? What do they want to hear? How do you do that? Well, how do you. And I’ve had to, you know, with people in their 30s, sit down and go, all right, here’s what I want you to do.

And they’re motivated and they want it and they’re good. They’re good people. And they have been told that they are bad and worthless and mean nothing to society, particularly the young white male. They are, they are just been completely. All these guys I was talking about last night, white men their 30s. That’s too bad. Because the truth nature that we should be rebuilding is how do we maximize everyone flourishing. Right, of course, of course. That’s what everybody wants and has always wanted. But all of a sudden we have one side that said this way of doing it is Nazi.

We know how to do it because we’re the elite and we have disdain for everybody else’s ideas. They are the disgusting ones. Elite it is. And by the way, the whole managerial elite thing is breaking down and it needs to break down more, so it needs to be undone. Unfortunately, women are way bought into it. Way bought into it. And I blame the universities. I think they were been sort of brainwashed by some of this stuff. Well, and I also think a lot of this is a backlash, right? Women, Women have to deal with a lot.

And then they tap the social injustice that they’re dealing with and then the reaction. Which ones? Well, women not feeling historically, divorce. What happens in divorce in California? No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. No, no, no. What happens, what happens in the boardroom? Women have to be in the boardroom. Let me finish, let me finish. Well, I grew up not getting treated that well, like I was one of 50 men, you know, that kind of stuff. But that being said, what they’re doing, which is fine, all I wanted was merit. All I wanted to be is treated equally on merit.

But what’s happening is they’re using that social justice issue and then reflecting it and doing the wrong stuff is my point. Your merit based feminism, which was what I grew up with was equality and, you know, equal level playing field and merit, that is considered far right sexism. All right. Several of my feminist friends from bygone eras have been labeled as completely over on the other side. Now, when we have not changed, I’ve not changed my political views, I’ve refined them a little bit and I’ve changed some of my science understanding of things because I didn’t know how adulterated the Medical literature was.

Now I do, but I’ve not changed my sort of instincts on things. In fact, most of my career was spent fighting the right. You know, back when on mtv, the right was not happy with me at all. I was advocating for morning after contraceptive. I was adding for advocating for the HPV vaccine. There was. And what I was really fighting at the time, what bothered me was not that they were telling us how to live our lives on the right, which they used to do, but that they didn’t understand science and they were arguing from a place of complete lack of understanding of the science.

And that used to bug me. Now, now we’re in outer space with everything. Yeah, well, see, now you know where I, where I feel, it’s like, God, I just, I haven’t changed now. I went from whiplash being like this feminist freak to now being a far right freak. It’s like, I didn’t do anything. It’s so crazy. I know. It’s really hard. And you take the beating in social media all day long. I know. I do. Yeah. It’s terrible. Okay, well, let’s talk about men, though. You were talking about the millennials. And I think that, you know, men probably are getting it harder because women haven’t.

When it comes to the housing collapse, married men with a family cannot afford to buy a home. Correct. That is, that is, that is. That cuts to the core of wanting to support and protect a family now, to be able now to be fair. I mean, you know, there’s a lot of renter societies out there in the world. I mean, you don’t have to be a homeowner, but it has always been sort of a core goal and you can do it, but you have to move. You can’t do it in certain areas. And then the job opportunities might not be there.

So it’s a conundrum. My instinct is that we’re going to get through that. We’re going to figure a way out of that. It’s going to get better. Has to. It has to. It has to. And I think those kind of things disproportionately affect men because while women want to support their family that way, they just, they’re not as. They don’t have that same expectation. It doesn’t cut to the core the same way. It really cuts to our. There is a thing, you know, there is things about being a male that are instinctive. They’re in us. Their stuff and, you know, and being able to support and protect those.

Those are instincts. Those are in us. You can suppress them, you can, you can, you take them and, and do the best you can. But when you suppress instincts, something else happens always. And I think women love that. At least me. I mean, I think that’s freaking amazing. I love that and, but maybe that’s what makes me a far right nut job. Wait, wait, what’s the word now? It’s oh shit, what is the word? Trad. You’re a trad woman. Yeah, well, whatever. Okay, so you know, what do you think is going to happen? Because what I’m seeing is a profound change is occurring and that’s through that.

You know my background, I’m a systems analyst. I’m a systems engineer. Right. So I’ve done a lot of data analysis in my past and so I was mining ChatGPT is really what I was doing. Yes. And that, that gives us a lot of data, millions of data points. And what it’s also showing is not only a collapsible stress, but profound change is underlying. Now that that’s stressful in itself. That has been. That can bring some bad stuff or some good stuff if it’s harnessed in a way and we’re not cognitive of it. Yeah. Just a short break from the program to share with you an amazing peptide to help you lose weight.

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But a lot of people get stressed out by change. They like things to be just the certain way and I, the more we get used to change, probably the better, you know, more resilient, the more efficacy we have and as things move around amongst us. So I, I welcome it, we’ll get through it. But you know, a couple things that, you know, the users of Chat GPT are mostly younger. You’re not necessarily 60 year old so you’re again, you’re looking at younger people and I’m sure you’ve seen the data on the sort of Gen Z and even Alpha turning sort of way right in their, in their attitudes and, and they’re sort of not politically interested in anything.

They’re, they want to go back to taking care of themselves, their family, their community, local practice of democracy, all the things our country was designed to do. They seem more inclined that way. They’re not as engaged with the politics as the rest and they are distinctly right leaning right now. So that’s a change. Where it’s going to lead, I’m not sure. Also, I think people are, they’re more open to things than they were maybe even a year ago. And I think that’s the Trump administration because they’ve done things and guess what, it seems to be working.

And I remember, you know, I’ve lived long enough again, I told you, I’m a time traveler. I was around during the Reagan era and it was exactly the same thing. People forget he was vilified, he was going to cause World War 3. We all had to sit down and watch a TV show called the Morning after, which was a TV show fictionalized about the day after a nuclear holocaust and that, you know, 50 million people watched that TV show Go Read about it because everyone was convinced Reagan was going to destroy the economy and cause a nuclear holocaust and that there was a hysteric around that.

Not as quite as hysterical as things have been today because our personalities are more primitive. I’m sorry but that’s true. But there was an hysteria about him. And after a year of his policies, he was saying things like, they’ve been out of their mind. They’re crazy, they’re hysterical, but the people are looking around. Now, I remember him in an interview just going, you know, people start to see that what we’re doing is kind of working and we’re going to keep doing it. And it is working, and it is a good idea, and it’s going to work.

And they’re seeing it. And that was it. That was the Reagan sort of revolution. It did a bunch of stuff, put a bunch of good people in positions. They did it, and things got better. And the other thing, you would remember this, but, you know, it changed overnight. The 70s sucked. They were terrible. They were a horrible. They’re probably the worst, except for the last 10 years, maybe last four years. Probably one of the worst decades in American history. And it’s sort of what I was responding to with. With radio because. Because the behaviors were out of control and there was just a mess.

It was. We were a mess. But we got. We turned. We turned optimistic. And I remember the moment. I remember the moment I was at a house party in 1980. Medman 81. And. And everything was bummer, bummer, bummer, bummer. You know, we suck. We’re done. United States is over. We. We can’t rescue our hostages. We can’t get anything done. We’re bummer. And I remember I was in medical school and I was at a house party, which already was kind of weird. People were kind of socializing again, and it was a room packed full of people. And Devo Whip, it came on loud and people start.

Every person started joyously jumping up and down. I was like, what? This is. I’ve. I haven’t seen. I’ve never. I haven’t seen this in what. What’s happening here. People are happy, people are joyous. I’ve not seen that in, ever, because, you know, maybe in the early part of the 70s or something, but it was that moment and boom, it kept getting better from there. So, you know, Ernest Hemingway has a famous quote, and I think it was For Whom the Bell Tolls, where one of the characters went bankrupt and another character was talking to that character and goes, hey, what was that like? And he goes, well, first it was slow, then it was fast.

And I think that’s what’s going to kind of happen here. I hope, and I hope in a good way. What do you think about Europe? Because we’re hearing Kind of horror stories coming out of you. You had to go there. I had to. Because it is affecting us or can we isolate ourselves? I mean, we don’t want to be isolationists. How do they affect us? Because you know, I just had Kieran Kelly, who is the largest, he owns the largest ocean cleanup company in the world and I’m doing a multi tube thing show with him. Yeah.

And his, he’s from Ireland, he’s a US citizens now. And he said what I’m talking about here would land me in prison. And it wasn’t all that, that out there what we were talking about. No. And so what do you think? How do you think that’s going to affect the United States? And can they, I mean, are they just going to go through harder times than us? And think about it. You just describe a totalitarianism that Europe is going to lead into. Totalitarianism. Of all the places. And, and I spoke to a guy named Alex Kiner.

I think his name is. Right, right. I forget his name right now. I could look it up for you. But he’s a Croatian political scientist, economist. And he said, he goes, look, Eastern Europe has been completely inoculated against this stuff. They are not going to allow the EU to do this to us. We’ve been through it. We know where this goes. It ain’t good. The west seems still hypnotized by it. They think it’s good, it’s hypnotic, you know. Well, it’s oh for the greater good here. Yes, keep going that way. It’s good. We care about people.

The, the east is like. And I was, I told him, I said I was in Croatia two, six months, four months ago. And you could tell things were not good because Croatia is part of the eu. And we went over the border to Montenegro and it was like going into Oz. Montenegro refused to be part of the eu. They’re an independent nation and their economy is flourishing. They don’t have the debt that Croatia is burdened with. And the Croatians are well aware of that distinction because it’s obvious. You walk across the border, it’s like, whoa, I’m in a different place.

It’s like east and West Germany 100%. Yes. And he said, Eastern Europe is going to push back hard on this shit. They are not going to put up with this stuff. And so that maybe that will mean dissolution of the eu. My hobby now is the French language and French politics. So you had to go there. So I spent a lot of time listening to French radio and, and I, I communicate with French people and stuff through X and whatnot. And they, the Frexit is a real thing for exit could happen. There’s movement for a sixth Republic in France that’s very serious.

They’re, they’re tired of Macron. So I don’t know if you know that, you know, the First Republic was, you know, 1789 and then they’ve gone through the fifth was de Gaulle’s republic, which is what they’re under now. And it’s not working. And they want a sixth republic. And if that happens, they will pull out of the EU for sure. So the EU could fall apart. Now, understand, the EU is non elected officials who make $100,000 a year and manage to clear 500,000 a year. What’s going on there. And for every EU delegate, there are one hundred and ten lobbyists and that’s where they get the money from.

And it’s, it’s disgusting, it’s a mess. And that these people are telling, you know, national citizens how to behave, you know, that, you know, that this guy has to worry about being put in jail for speaking. That’s something we should help. I think Trump is trying to do that. He’s using his tariff stick to try to make a difference in all that. He can only do so much, though. Well, then let’s tie it to the eu, the World Health Organization, the United nations, NATO. I don’t know about the United nations, but the World Health Organization is.

No, we got to be out of that. That’s. We have no business being in that organization. They are running amok. Anything centralized in authority in health care is disastrous. Have we not learned that through Covid? They will eventually mandate you to do things that are not good for you because the greater good, man, the greater good. That’s not how medicine is done. That’s not how it’s done. And it’s not done by censoring treatments. Oh my God. Or discourse or publications. It’s just, this is. We saw it, it happened. We’ve been through it. Don’t let it happen again.

Can’t happen again. And the fact that the World Health Organization was trying to get that treaty through. Oh my goodness. That treaty was a catastrophe. Do you see? You said that UN. Do you think the UN’s different than the world? I mean, obviously they’re different organizations, but behind the scenes, my understanding is there’s pretty tight ties. And with all these globalist organizations, do you think it’s globalism and it’s doing what’s good for the, you know, the greater good. And that means that’s what, you know, that’s what Stalin was doing, that’s what Hitler was doing. That’s what Pol Pot was doing.

They were all doing for the greater good. It. So whenever that comes up. Whoa, hold on. I have done a little work for the UN here and there and I’ve been sort of pleased with what I saw, but that was a long time ago and I, they could easily run amok. So I don’t know, I don’t know what’s going on there. I can’t. It’s not transparent enough for me to understand yet. Well, but there is a place to have a council or something where all the different world leaders or all the different countries are part of.

For nothing more than to communicate and to hear each other out. Right? Yes, it’s a good idea, but to give it too much authority. Oh boy, be careful. You know, remember we, we have gone through a period where the idea of a nation was being called into question. We don’t need that anymore. Right. We don’t need nationhood. We don’t need. Nationalism is bad, nationalism is dangerous. Nationalism is all right, Nationalism is Hitler, whatever, you know, and it’s these extreme ideas about having a country is not good, not, not good. It’s been proven to be a bad, bad way to go.

Pull that back. Well, what do you think of the BRICS nations? Have you spent time, I’m sure you’ve interviewed people talking about brics and the change and shift over of the economic system and BRICS which includes more than 50% of the world’s population. Have you thought I got my eye on it. I don’t know much about it. What do you mean by the shift in the economics? What does that mean? Well, I would say, for example, they don’t use the SWIFT system. Their system can do transactions in seven seconds. Swift is much slower. We use the Swift system.

They are using a different economic system. They have more people involved in it than, you know, they have the larger population of the world involved in brics and country after country is, is aligning up. And I, it’s kind of the west against the east, but we have World Economic Forum and these globalist institutions are backing these systems. So, so you, you’re, we’re, you’re talking about ultimately the, the dollar not being the international currency of, of choice. Right? Well, and I, you know, that is probably where it’s going anyways because, you know, J.D. vance wrote a thing saying being the dollar, reserve currency has hurt us financially.

So there is an argument within the political class that being the reserve currency is not good for us long term because of the, the effect that it hollows our out our manufacturing. And I mean there’s a lot of economic theories on why it’s hollowing out our manufacturing. And you can’t be it for too long otherwise it does what it’s doing to us. And if we want to reclaim our manufacturing base and reclaim all these things we need for our citizens, we can’t be the world reserve currency forever. That is the theory of some of the economists and J.D.

vance talked about that as well. So maybe that’s where they’re going. But that’s different than allowing the east to run our financial system. So I think that there’s a lot more happening here. I don’t know enough to speak meaningfully about it. I watch it. I watch with horror at some of the law fair that’s going on. I, I worry about is it sort of an electronic system they have like a bitcoin type system. It is, I mean it. And then they’re all coming up with, I mean we are moving towards a CDs, CBDCs. Okay, they’re not going to call it that.

They’re going to call it stable coins. They’re going to call it. Nobody’s going to call it that because it became a dirty word. So they’re not going to call it that. But our banking has been digital for the most part for a few decades. So we can’t fool ourselves either in that way. Right. So things are moving. Go ahead. We could flip into it pretty quickly ourselves and maybe do it. I don’t know. I. Somebody smarter than me is thinking about this, including yourself. Well, I think you’re pretty smart too. But it just. Everybody focuses in different areas.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but the point is I, I can watch it, but I don’t know what to do with it yet. I don’t, I don’t know. There’s. I worry about. But humans do a great job preparing for disasters that are approaching. If they see them, it’s always the landmines they don’t see that get us. And so that’s what, I don’t know enough to kind of start thinking about those landmines. But I will pay attention. I will pay attention. My big thing is that we need more people that do have this background. Right? Because if everything’s moving digital and the biggest corporations in the world are all digital, why don’t we have more people that understand this, who are part of our Government and community, and there’s like, three politicians.

Oh, well, you know, look, it’s like saying, why. Why are the computer systems at the federal government from 1968, you know what I mean? It’s all the government is because there’s no incentive the way there is in business. Government lags like, way lags. And so somebody’s got to come in and rip it apart always. And there’s, of course, resistance and, you know, ossification. That’s we’re going through right now. Right. I mean, look at poor Elon Musk trying to just do bring some sanity into the government. He’s vilified for that. Well, and let’s talk about that a little bit, because Elon Musk just unveiled.

I mean, he lifted the. For a little bit, and they had to shut the door quick or something. It was government by proxy is what it really was with Doge. That what they uncovered is all these NGOs doing government work by proxy. And when you think about that. Oh, my God, that. I shudder at that. To me, that’s the most shocking of all the revelations. Well, not the most. What happened to my medical publications was pretty shocking. Mandating things you don’t have the bioethical standing to mandate is shocking to me. The fact that most physicians are employed and fall in line with their employer or the insurance company or their local public health officials.

Shocking to me. But equally as shocking is this world of, frankly, it’s just not NGOs, it’s not for profit. I didn’t realize this was a shadowy world that. I don’t know how we. Other than exposing it for what it is. I don’t know if we make them start paying taxes or what. How you take the teeth out of this. It’s really deeply troubling. Yes. And is it okay for government to do these actions through proxy? No, no. It’s. It’s. I don’t know how you undo all that, but we have to. I don’t know if they’re looking to undo it.

I mean, look, things that. This. This is the. This is the craziness of our current moment, that the founding principles of our country have been undermined so vastly that we were starting to reconsider the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. That’s how far insane we got. That’s how far we got. We should look at that and go, oh, everybody, thank you. Yes. Yeah. And so that’s where my line got drawn. I was like, wait a minute, I’m gonna have to defend speech on all fronts. I will never forget people just destroying me for daring to platform.

How dare you platform that person, you mean have a conversation in a public domain platform? That word should be people should be. They should be mocked for using that term. You are disgusting for talking about platforming. Who are you to tell people who do you think you are that you can tell people who are not to have public conversation with? Give me a fucking break. So that’s where I started going, oh, no, no, no. I. I did not realize that this late in my life I’d be using words like freedom of defending freedom by speaking and defending other people’s right to speak and then the courage to do so.

Those are not words I expected to be concerning myself with. As I approached my eighth decade of life and 40 years in medicine, it was not even on my radar, but here we are, and I think the NGO undermining the basic functions of the government. That was such a genius system. This is the loophole that pulled us into some outer space. We got to bring it back and bring. And pull it back hard. Yeah. And conversations that you would have thought were vanilla 20 years ago. Vanilla or not. Yes, of course. Or not. It doesn’t matter, right? It doesn’t matter.

The fact that anybody can start to dictate with somebody else’s discourse. You should be ashamed yourself. You’re a prison guard. You’re the person that goes, oh, I would have killed. I would have fought Hitler if I were on likes or not night. No, you would have been a prison guard. If it’s absolutely 100% the case. If you yelled at somebody in Walmart for not wearing a mask, if you reported a neighbor for having a barbecue during lockdowns, that is the shit of the Brown Shirts. You did it. You did their work. And then if you start demanding that somebody’s speech be curtailed, you’re all the way in.

You are a prison guard. And you would have been. So you would have been an enthusiast. You know, one of the things I was reading some. A book about, you know, the sort of the evolution of 1939 Germany through the eyes of the American ambassador at the time. And the one thing I was aware of during our recent mess with COVID was hysteria. I didn’t realize we could be so hysterical as a country. We were absolutely in an hysteria and Trump derangement system is an hysteria. And the word hysteria came up a bunch in 1939 Germany, which I did not understand that some of that was hysteria and going a certain direction.

Now, thank God we didn’t Go in as violent. People don’t appreciate how violent that was. It was a severe, severe, violent group. But back to, oh, I lost my trail. Oh. And so the one thing that’s happening that we were talking about the change and what you were saying with sort of mining AI, Howard Stern got canceled yesterday. That is a piece that late night’s going to fall apart. These were, these were. These were. These are not the business. There’s no business model. And because. Not because that they’re saying things that people don’t want to hear.

There’s just no business model to support these things anymore. And no one’s listening to radio and no one’s watching late night. That’s just a fact. And you can’t spend $100 million a year on a late night show and have a business. You can’t. You can’t. You can’t do that. And so same with Howard. He’s not going to accept a lower salary. So he wisely. He steps down at a certain point and. But these are voices that have been having an effect on the hysterias that are going to not be there. And hopefully people will kind of start to get reattached to reality.

I hope. I really do. Because the, The, The. The spinning and the hysteria and the projection, the projective identification and emotionality, very, very pathological. And we’re prone to it. We are very narcissistic in this country. We have a. We are. We’ve. I’ve watched it happen as we sort of swept into narcissistic traits, most of us. And one of the liabilities of narcissism is scapegoating mobs and scapegoating. And we’ve been through a. I started. I became obsessed with the French Revolution for a while. It’s part of my. That hobby with the French politics. That’s sort of how I got into it, because I saw this same thing happening that happened in 1789 or 1794 in particular.

And yeah, we did it. We’re there. We’re in these mob actions and our. The guillotine. And I kept saying as it was approaching, I kept saying, you know, we are narcissistic. There’s going to be guillotines when groups of people are this narcissistic. Guillotines come out. Cancellation was the modern guillotine. It was. Well. And with this underlying current of change going on, I think people are afraid that if we don’t. I think it’s a positive thing. I think there’s positive change happening. I agree and we can, it can be really positive, you know. You are a breath of fresh air.

Thank you for speaking. Thank you for being truthful. Thank you for. I’m a breath of fresh air. Well, because you’re admit you, you admit if you’re wrong, you aren’t afraid to get out there. You aren’t afraid to interview people. You aren’t afraid to. And you use your voice and I, and I use my voice. I, I don’t really see that as what I’m doing. I see more that I’m sort of just talking to people and educating myself and letting other people drop in on that. And, and in terms of what was the other thing you called me? So pressure.

Fresh air. There’s something you said there. I was like, oh, that’s not me really. But all right, well, you’re using your voice to bring. Yeah, I’m just, here I am. I’m in this, I’m, I’m looking for, I’m always looking for interesting things to do to help media do good. That’s where I started in 1983. It’s what I’m still doing now. The media, the landscape has changed completely. I’m doing this now out of my kids playroom. You know, I’m doing out of my house. Hilarious. I don’t have to, I don’t have to get in a car and go to a satellite studio.

We can do the same damn thing right here. And I’m just looking for ways to shape media in a positive way for the good of everybody, for, for, for the health of everyone, really, that we do healthier things and hysteria is not healthy. It’s just not good. It’s just not a great way to be. And the further you detach yourself from reality. You mentioned the cognitive dissonance, cognitive distortions. The less healthy we are. We need to stay in reality. And thank God reality has a way of asserting itself. Yeah, I think the stronger voices kind of, well, there’s the, the more calm, sane voices tend to win out over time.

Well, the ones that are reflective of reality. If you’re saying things that turn out to be true and are born out in predictions and seem to be about that, then, then you get lived to, to talk another day and to say something again. The, the thing I hate is accusing people of lying if they’re wrong, not lying just because he’s wrong, they’re not lying. Or if you disagree with them or you read the science differently, the other person is lying. That’s disgusting. And you should check yourself. And this Whole notion of platforming, that you’re platform people, you shouldn’t platform.

Those are actually the very people you should talk to. That’s right. Different ideas and stuff. That’s the way it’s always been. And don’t be scared. Right? Don’t be scared to talk to somebody who thinks differently than you. Oh, my God, no. Yes. You get as many different opinions you possibly can. But, but, but I, you know, you can’t talk to somebody that won’t discourse. You have to be willing to kind of exchange ideas and things. You have to. If somebody’s yelling at you or unwilling to sort of consider, you know, debate and consideration and things, then they’re wasting our time.

That’s right. That’s right. Well, thank you. Where can people follow you? I know you’re everywhere, but where can people follow you? And, you know, so mostly, yeah, we, where I interviewed you was on a show called Ask Dr. Drew. That’s Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursdays at 2 o’ clock on rumble and YouTube and X. Really look for the X blast. That’s where we, most of our people are finding us. And we just. I just interview interesting people. And back when this started, interesting people were other doctors and experts who had been silenced. People like J. Bhattacharya and Marty McCarry and people that were considered fringe epidemiologists that needed to be subjected to a devastating takedown.

When I heard that, I was like, well, I want to. The guy’s a Stanford professor. He’s well trained. He’s been a Peter McCullough, been one of the most published doctors in the country. I suspect he has something to offer. Maybe I won’t agree with everything, which I didn’t. And to me, the greatest sign of change, the thing that I hope gets in the history textbooks. Let’s try to get it in there. The moment for me that I thought, oh, my God, I’m in a Shakespearean play, is when Jay Bhattacharya, who is this wonderful clinician, a wonder, a decorated professor, an incredible human being, when he said to me, you know, they’re considering me for the nih, I was like, oh, my God, I live in the.

Live in the middle of a Shakespearean drama. And this is the. This is the final chapter. So look to him for guidance and sanity. And he should be at the. He has been at the center of all this, much to his chagrin, and remains there to our benefit. Thank you so much for joining the program. Pleasure. Good to talk to you. And I want to learn more. Tell me more. Send me more stuff. I want to understand the world the way you understand it. Oh, for sure I will. Thanks. All right. Sa Sam.
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