Crime and Punishment – A Live Discussion With Mike Harris

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Summary

âž¡ Ron Partain and Mike Harris had a discussion about crime and punishment, focusing on the broken window policy. This policy suggests that maintaining and monitoring urban environments in a well-ordered condition may stop further vandalism and escalation into more serious crime. They also discussed the issue of repeat offenders and the failure of the current system to effectively deter crime. The conversation ended with a hint at major societal changes in the future.
âž¡ The text discusses the current state of law enforcement and government, highlighting their financial struggles and the impact on society. It also talks about the high cost of incarceration and suggests looking for alternatives to traditional punishment. The author expresses concern about the increasing crime rates and the release of criminals back into society, questioning if this is a deliberate act to cause chaos. The text ends with a discussion about a court case where a felon fought for his gun rights, indicating the strange times we live in.
âž¡ The text discusses strategies for survival in a crisis situation, focusing on the importance of organization, communication, and defense. It suggests dividing people into smaller groups for better control, securing the area, and blocking off potential threats. The text also emphasizes the need for communication, suggesting radios initially, but also considering alternatives like semaphore or messengers, particularly children on bikes. Lastly, it discusses the potential for a return to a simpler lifestyle, similar to the 1700s, and the need for strict discipline and punishment within the group to maintain order.
âž¡ The speaker emphasizes the importance of being prepared for unexpected situations, drawing from his experience in martial arts. He suggests that in a crisis, it’s crucial to respond to the situation at hand rather than sticking to a preconceived plan. He also discusses the potential for societal collapse and the need for communities to enforce their own laws and protect themselves. The speaker encourages people to think about these possibilities and be prepared to handle them.
âž¡ Mike enjoys reading comments on his shows and values the opportunity to share ideas that might help others. He believes in preparing people to handle difficult situations and is hopeful for a time when current issues will be resolved. Despite being a small channel, he is passionate about contributing to society through his discussions. He appreciates his audience and looks forward to future interactions.
âž¡ The speaker believes that the energy and reality of the world has shifted negatively since the 1970s, with a significant change occurring after the 9/11 attacks. They argue that the country will not improve until the true perpetrators of 9/11 are brought to justice, suggesting that the official narrative is false. They also discuss the term “Khazarian mafia”, which they coined to describe a powerful criminal group without invoking anti-Semitism. The speaker concludes by suggesting that philanthropic efforts by wealthy individuals or groups often serve to mask illicit activities.
âž¡ The text discusses the idea of using public humiliation as a punishment for young vandals, instead of traditional methods like incarceration. The author suggests putting them in stocks in a public square for a weekend, arguing it would be a cost-effective deterrent. The text also mentions the use of corporal punishment, like caning, as another potential deterrent. The author believes these methods could be more effective in preventing repeat offenses and could be applied to other crimes as well.
âž¡ The text discusses a case where a man, previously deported multiple times, killed a woman in San Francisco. The speaker suggests harsher punishments for criminals, including public humiliation, to deter crime. They also criticize the prison system, suggesting it’s too comfortable for inmates and corrupt, with officers allowing contraband in. The conversation then shifts to the influence of music and societal constructs on crime rates, particularly within the black community, suggesting that systemic issues are contributing to high crime rates.
âž¡ The text discusses the U.S. government’s involvement in drug trafficking, citing examples from the Reagan era and the Afghanistan occupation. It suggests that the drug problem, including the opioid crisis and the rise of fentanyl, is linked to government actions and has led to increased crime rates, particularly in black communities. The text also proposes a solution to the drug problem, which involves focusing on breaking the retail distribution network rather than targeting high-level dealers. It concludes by categorizing criminals into three levels: petty criminals, mid-level criminals like drug dealers and corrupt cops, and major criminals in government or organized crime syndicates.
âž¡ The speaker discusses their concerns about the current state of the American government, suggesting it has become toxic and dysfunctional. They believe that the government is involved in illegal activities and is betraying its citizens. They also criticize the media’s power and influence, and express disappointment in past presidents, particularly Reagan, for their policies and actions. The speaker calls for a need to address these issues for the betterment of the country.
âž¡ The speaker discusses their concerns about the state of America, pointing out issues like the national debt, open borders, and the influence of powerful groups. They express frustration over the lack of accountability for crimes, especially those committed by influential figures and corporations. They also highlight the drug crisis, particularly the impact on black inner cities, and the need for harsher punishments. Lastly, they express disappointment over the country’s progress in space exploration and the misuse of funds in government programs.
âž¡ The text discusses the speaker’s concerns about the Federal Reserve, the national debt, and the welfare system in the United States. The speaker believes that the current system creates a cycle of debt and scarcity, and fears a potential economic collapse. They propose drastic changes, such as renouncing the federal debt, cutting defense spending, and reforming welfare and education. They also express concerns about corruption in government and suggest harsh penalties for officials who do not act in the best interest of the people.
âž¡ The speaker discusses the challenges of political campaigns, emphasizing the need for reform to make it easier for good people to participate. They also discuss the potential for societal breakdown, suggesting that in such a scenario, communities would need to band together for protection and survival. They believe that while such a situation is unlikely, it’s important to be prepared for the worst-case scenario.

Transcript

To the untold issue channel. My name is Ron partain, and I have a, I have a cat who’s probably gonna have to bundle how to put him out. But I’m here today, joined with Mike Harris, and we’re gonna have some interesting conversation about crime and punishment. How you doing today, brother? Good to see you. I am well, thank you. It’s good to be here again. Yeah, we had a very interesting discussion, just dialogue the other day. We were talking about this and like, you know what? We should do something. We should kind of do a show on this because it’s, it’s a very interesting topic and one that I think, you know, if you look back in, if you look back at modern history in the United States, I remember New York.

I remember Bongino talking about how, what a cesspool New York City was until Giuliani came in. And it was because all of the, basically the policies that are being implemented now on steroids created an environment in New York that was, you know, basically a free for all. And people were terrified and crime was way up. And I get, I think if I recall correctly, what Bongino talked about, because he was New York PD. He was in my PD at the, during that time. And he said that what, what they did was they started to implement a policy of.

Called broken glass. It was a broken glass policy. So, like, go ahead. What that is, is that if there’s a broken window policy, and if there’s a broken window on the street, they cite the owner of the building. Because if you don’t cite him, the next thing you know there’s another broken window and another broken window. And then before long, the place looks like a rundown slum. Right? And when you have a rundown slum, it property, it’s crime. But if the owner has to respond and replace the window, it makes it look better. It keeps the appearances up, and it doesn’t, it’s not as attractive, to lack of a better word, lowlifes.

You know, the people who, the homeless, the vagrants, the people who use crime of opportunity, if you will. Oh, there’s nobody in here. Let’s just Jimmy it open and see what we take. That type of stuff, it discourages these things. It’s really well known in law enforcement about, there’s a no tolerance for a broken window. It’s a broken window policy. It’s well documented. I’m going to put him out. Hold on. Normally he’s actually pretty well behaved, but today he’s just a little, feeling a little feisty so we all have those days, right? Yes, we do. I wish I’d have them more often.

We probably get a lot of stress off our, off our shoulders, right? Had outbursts all the time. Maybe those leftists that sat there and cried when Trump was, was inaugurated, maybe they were onto something. I’m not gonna give him that much credit. But I just thought, just teasing. I don’t know, every time I think of somebody who’s crying, I immediately go to the one where that, that girl got on her knees wearing like that safety jacket and was like, no, I don’t know. I guess that’s, that’s one of those images. It’ll be seared into my head in perpetuity, you know, linked to just, you know, a spoiled bat crying.

So, well, you know, she’s living in your head rent free. Yes, she is well charged. She’s not, she’s not. I’m just, I, what she’s displacing is other space in your head. You could have better, more productive thoughts. So you need to discipline your thought process and, you know, put in, you know, creative, productive thoughts. Nothing, not these ones that bring us down. We’re all guilty of the same thing. We are all guilty. And, you know, that’s something we have to do is discipline ourselves to not think about stuff that puts us in a negative place and particularly in the trying times that we’re living in now.

I mean, I talk to friends and stuff and we’re all say, well, whenever this starts. Well, folks, it started. It has. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I’m so glad you said that. Really? I’m glad you said that because I think most people are under the impression they’re just, they’re waiting for the, it’s like waiting for the balloon to go up. In baseball terminology. They’re waiting for the grand slam to get four runs as opposed to just, you know, some singles and doubles and walks. And what we are seeing right now is single doubles and walks. We’re not, we, the grand slam in the home run, that hasn’t happened yet.

It’s going to, but it hasn’t happened yet. We, but, but we are in the game right now. Well, you know, like I said, I find baseball a rather dry sport. No, you do. I mean, it’s, you know, it’s on par with golf. Well, I don’t know, I don’t know about that. But I get your point. I remember being a little kid and being drugged to Cardinals games and waiting for the home run, waiting for the grand waiting. Never seen one, never seen one year. What, what, if you don’t mind, what, what years were those? That’s back when scan musial was playing for the St.

Louis Cardinals. Okay, so a little bit. Yeah. That was when you guys, that was when the Cardinals were good. This is back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. I used to watch the Cardinals all the time growing up. You know, my grandfather was alive and all that. But I stopped winning the Cardinals when they fired Whitey Herzog. I never got over it. Oh really? That was like, wasn’t that like late eighties? Sometime in the mid, late eighties? Sometimes. I haven’t watched the Cardinals game since then. I remember that I said, I have, I have angst in my heart for the Cardinals because of Jack Clark hitting that home run in game five of the NLCs in 1985 because I was that, that game.

So I just, you know, I have animosity towards the Cardinals. I haven’t forgiven them for, for ripping my heart out and going to the World Series. Well, you, you’ve brought up another topic that we’ll discuss maybe later today, but I’ll bring up, it’s about, about professional sports, particularly the NFL. But we’ll talk about this downstream. Oh, that would be, that would be a fascinating discussion because I’m sure you and I are very congruent on that. And I probably know I want to take you in a direction you’re not expecting, but you’ll have an aha Mongol. Ah, yeah, that makes sense.

I’m very up to that. Today’s topic is about crime and punishment. Really? What got me thinking about this, Ron, I think I may have shared this with you, but, you know, how many times do we watch on the news or we read somewhere that some illegal immigrant who’s been deported nine times already is back in the country and he rapes and kills an eleven year old girl. Right. You know, I mean this guy’s been deported again and again and again. And so somehow our system in this country of crime and punishment is not working. You know, and we see it all the time.

You know, you look at what the recidivism rates are and you look at what the cost to incarcerate someone are. How many times have we also seen, you know, a 17 year old ute from the city was caught doing something bad, you know, maybe killed somebody and they just turned loose. They let him go. They’re not going to incarcerate him at all. How many times do we see, you know, these shoplifting looters go in there and just take out a Walgreens store or a Louis Vuitton or something, and they’re in and out, and there, there’s never any punishment.

I mean, people are getting away with a lot of crimes that are costing other people money now. And if I can piggyback on that for a second, I don’t want to cut you off, but what’s going on there if, as I understand, and I just, I’m wanting clarification, is these people are being paid by shadow organizations to go into these big box stores and steal all this stuff. And then they’re, they’re getting paid to steal this stuff. And then these places are then turning around and selling it on like, Amazon and eBay. Okay, yeah, I’ve heard that, too.

Like I said, I don’t have any direct working knowledge about that. But if that is the case, that that’s a big deal. That that’s, again, that’s organized crime. That’s organized crime. That’s right. Absolutely. And so organized crime is not always the mafia. Organized crime takes many forms. I mean, if you’ve got three teenagers who are stealing Social Security checks out of mailboxes in a neighborhood, that’s organized crime as well. And the Rico stats apply to them also. There’s a lot of different things. Our system, and believe me, none of us were living today. We did not create this system.

We were born into it. And you know what I’m, what the purpose of this discussion today is is that it looks like our society is going to be going through some very, very major changes. Where we may go through a period, whether it’s six months or ten years of lawlessness and really, really bad behavior out of people, whether they’re our neighbors, whether they’re coming from someplace else, you know, to raid on our town, like, you know, pirates or bandits or something coming in. You know, we don’t know what we’re going to face. But since our law enforcement system is collapsing, our government is, the federal government is $35 trillion in debt.

Most of the states are also in debt. California is woefully in debt. They squandered their entire surface surplus. Most states, counties, municipalities, they’re all in debt. They don’t have the money. They’re taking in what they need, but somehow it just disappears. There’s not enough to fix the roads. You’re always hearing about. The schools were overcrowded. There’s never enough resources to go around, period. Now, I think a lot of that is criminality within our bureaucrat class at every level. Every level. Like, let me finish a month or so ago, I saw an r woman was convicted, came up on Gateway pundit.

She was convicted of stealing $1.9 million worth of chicken rings from the school district because they were out for Covid chicken wings. Chicken wings and some black woman. She was reselling them through her catering business and whatever. And, you know, this is the kind of theft that this is. She works for the school district, you know, and yet that kind of theft, $1.9 million worth of chicken wings was stolen. I mean, that still comes out of the taxpayer pocket. That’s still a crime. That that’s something that she needs to, you know, be punished for. There has to be some atonement here.

You’re never going to see those chicken wings again. You’re probably not going to get a nickel out of her. Nope, she’s living large. But the purpose of the talk today is to, it’s a hypothetical talk. And what do we do if everything breaks down? Like I just said, our governments that we’ve depended on to administer justice, to conduct law enforcement, are on the verge of bankruptcy. They’re virtually all operating as bankrupt entities. I can’t say all, but a multitude of them are operating as bankrupt entities. Look at New York City, for instance. I mean, hey, they’re broke, but they keep spending money.

So what do we do with the systems we’ve depended on to keep order? Don’t work anymore. And so I look at the cost. I ran a little scan on chat GPT of what does it cost to incarcerate a prisoner for a year in a county jail, a state prison or a federal penitentiary. And the costs range from as low as $25,000 a year, depending on where the county is and what the level of security is, what healthcare is offered, that type of thing, up to, you know, $85,000 a year. So let’s pick a number in there, let’s say 45, $50,000 a year as an average.

It’s time to look at alternatives to traditional punishment for this is, you know, people go into prison, they don’t get reformed, they don’t get redeemed, if you will. I mean, I talked to some guys who’d been in prison. The one guy I talked to, he was a member of the Gambino crime family. His name was John. I won’t use his last name because he may be still alive. I don’t think he is, but he may be. But he said it’s a gladiator academy. If you go in there, I mean, you can be the most naive guy who got pinched on something, you know, stupid that you were doing and not know much, but you’re gonna come out one tough, hard, and son of a gun.

I mean, it’s gonna put up, go put some armor on yet to survive in there. And is that what we want to do going forward? But like I said, if there is a cultural and societal breakdown, and you look at the illegal immigrants coming up here, the legal aliens, let me speak more accurately, who are coming in here, that we, the american people, don’t have a voice, whether they come or not, we’ve been overridden by our jewish masters here who have decided that they’re going to change the demographics of our country that my forefathers founded. I mean, I’m a, you know, I’ve lived in, you know, my family’s lived in the same place for over nine generations.

I’m the 7th generation. There’s two that come behind me, and they were here well before that. So the people who made this country and created it out of something, we don’t have a voice anymore. And. And this goes for anybody. And like I said, one of my pet peeves is some guy says, I’m a good american. My father moved here with nothing, our family, and now look at us, where we’ve made the american dream. I said, you’re not really an american. You didn’t build it. You came here to exploit what my ancestors built. And so I look at these things.

These are my own biases and prejudices. But like I said, this is the hypothetical conversation about what do we do if we live in a rural setting someplace, and county or small town, and we have people who break the law, how are we going to deal with them? What are, what are our choices? How do we discourage them from doing this stuff again, because you look in New York City and other big venues, Los Angeles, all this no longer have any bail requirements. They’re in their book. They’re out. They’re releasing really hardcore prisoners out into the street again, and they’re offending again and again and again.

So we can’t sustain any form of a society like this. It’s not safe for us. By the same token, do we want to go full vigilante? And, you know, the rapists down the street who attack some guy’s teenage daughter? Do we just take them out and string them up? You know, that that’s an alternative. I mean, there’s a lot of things that we can do. But I was going in a direction where we have these, let’s say teenagers who tag, all right, I own a building or a house and got a brand new paint job on it, and some young punk ass twerp comes along and spray paints the wall there.

What? He just cost me a know who he is. What do we do to him? Let me, let me ask you this. Do you think that the system that is in place now, that is like putting people back out on the street, that’s not taking criminals that are hard releasing them, and then when they re offend, recidivism. Recidivism is when they come back into the prison system. What I’m saying is then they do another crime, come back into court for an arraignment. But they’re never, but they’re, but they’re still left on the street. Yes. And that’s happening more and more and more.

Right. So my question is, is that system being deliberately enforced upon the United States for the purposes of fostering chaos? No. I’m not a, a deep state Democrat communist planner, so I can’t speak with authority. But if I had to make an educated guess, my opinion would be that, yes, this is being done to cause chaos, to cause unrest, to demoralize and break the working spirit of the american population. That’s why these things are being done. And all these liberals are all for more lenient bail laws and we shouldn’t, you know, shoplifters can steal up to $950 because that’s part of their reparations.

I mean, this is, this is idiocy. This is nonsense. It’s interesting, though. It’s interesting that you say that. And I’m going to make your, I’m going to bring your attention to something that happened the other day. It’s not, it’s, it’s, it’s very similar and congruent to what you’re, just, what you’re talking about. The, there’s a, there’s a court case that came out in California in the 9th circuitous that was so somebody had, was convicted of, I guess they had a felony on their record, and then they did, they, they did something where they were involved in a crime, but it, what, they weren’t really involved in the crime anyway.

But they, there was a weapon thrown from the car. Anyway, this guy was prosecuted for having, for being, having a felon in possession. But what he did was he flipped it around and he, he sued to, he said, no, this, what, what I did was a long time ago. And I, that’s a, that’s a violation of the second amendment. Long story short, that got up, set up to the 9th Circuit. And the 9th Circuit actually found in his favor then. Now it’s the, but the 9th Circuit now is going to have an en banc panel to review this case.

And guess who submitted a brief on behalf of the, of the guy who, the criminal, guess who submitted a brief to him to get his gun rights back? The freaking ACLU, huh? I mean, we are living in an upside down world. If the ACLU is advocating to let a felon have a firearm, well, you know, I mean, that’s legally, we’re living in very strange times. And you know, I don’t know if you can feel it or not, but I certainly can. And that is, the energy has shifted. We’re living in a different reality than we were living in when I was in the 1970s, eighties, nineties, you know, that we felt the reality shift at 911.

That that was a big shift. That was a shock. And it’s been shifting and getting worse and worse, the downward spiral ever since then. And as I’ve said before to many people, most recently Scott Bennett, is that this country is not going to improve until we bring the perpetrators of 911 to justice. And once we do that, then, then we have a chance. I mean, that Larry Silverstein guy who took out the insurance policy a month before I’d be waterboarding that guy until he gave something useful, some useful information to find out who the rest of the gang is.

And one of the things that I’ve noticed about Washington, DC is if they weren’t, they don’t talk about it, then they still promote the narrative that it was 19 Arabs with box cutters. And everybody knows that that’s a crock of B’s, you know, but Washington, DC and the news media go along with it because they’re in on it. If they weren’t in on the actual crime, they’re in on the COVID up. And they’re getting richly rewarded for keeping it quiet. And so that, that’s, that’s what we fight here. But we’re getting off topic. But it did, this is a good topic anyway.

But these are the things. And if we would ever bring the real perpetrators of 911 to justice, we would see this country turn on a dime. And if Trump wants a challenge to do something, do that, buddy. I mean, you know, show us you’re not Israel’s back pocket. Show us that you really believe America 1st first and you’re not going to foster this lie of 911. TRUMP well, I agree with that. I agree with everything you said. I take the position that Trump has to walk a fine line because the vast majority of the country has bought into the line that Israel, biblical Israel, is the equivalent of modern day Israel.

And so if Trump turned on Israel, you’d have half of his constituency run, run away and not vote for him. So he kind of has to walk a fine line. Those of us who kind of really understand what everything kind of really is, you know, we’re the ones that are like, whoa. Where we have it gives us pause on the Trump front. But again, I don’t, again, like you said, this is, we’re getting down, we’re kind of going down a different rabbit hole. But it is, there’s, there’s congruencies. It’s just on a large, larger scale. What I’ll finish with this point, what I wanted to say is the people who are responsible for 911 are the exact same people or group of people responsible for the coal, for the Murrah building.

You know, any, any event, nasty event that’s happened on us soil, it all generally all falls back to a small group of people at the top. No, I absolutely agree with you. And I look at the christian evangelical who hold that Israel. I mean, that we must do whatever Israel says. That’s our way to salvation. That crock. Okay. But we can talk at length about how this is not, these are not the Israel, these are not the Israelis, the Judeans of the Bible. These are a whole different group. That’s a whole different story. But if we had hard, hardcore, ironclad proof that Israel did it, or at least was involved in it, even these hardcore christians are going to have to take a look at it and say, hey, wait a minute, are these really our friends? And it’ll be hard for them because they drank that koolaid.

But if there’s hardcore proof out there, let’s see it. Let’s. I mean, and there is hardcore proof. I’ve talked to the whole veterans today. Research on that is probably some of the most extensive on the world, you know, anywhere. Well, and I’m, let me, I’m going to give you kudos on this, because, guys, if you don’t know, everybody uses the phrase kazarian mafia these days. That’s a very popular phrase to be used. This gentleman right here is the one that came up with that phrase. Well, the purpose behind coming up with it, and this is really key, is because if you say, if you notice that any Jews have done any crimes, you’re immediately accused of being an anti semite.

And the Jews use this, they. Oh, you’re an anti semite. You’re an anti semite. I mean, how many times have we heard this as ad nauseam? So if you want to win the argument, control the language. And so I did my homework. I figured out who these people really are, these Ashkenazi types, where they come from. They come from the area around the Black Sea where Ukraine happens to be. And so I said, well, what’s another name for the same thing? Khazarian mafia. And, you know, I’ve got. Now I made this. Maybe it may not be true, but I believe I’m the first guy to put that in print anywhere, right? And since then, it’s gone everywhere.

In that first article that was written by Preston James and I, that’s got 500 million. That article is in the description, guys, that article is listed in the description right under Mike’s name. So if you, if you’re curious about it, the link is already there. But, uh. But that article’s got over 500 million reads globally. And about every month, every other month, somebody will repost it again, because it was that moving of an article that really pulled the mask off of who these people are. But the whole purpose behind developing the term kazarian mafia was to defuse the use of, oh, you’re an anti semite against someone who’s looking at Jews who commit crimes.

And so, you know, khazarian mafia, ashkenazi mafia, that’s how that evolved and that’s how we came to that place. So that, I’m glad the world owes you a debt of gratitude for coming up with that. I mean, I think the kind of the secrets out now, but for, you know, for a good period of time, you could use that, and you could use that term and not be, you know, labeled anything, you know, anti semitic or racist or whatever. I think that the other side is wised up to that at this point. But it’s still, it’s still a much better term.

It’s a softer term to use to describe the hard fact of what it really truly is. Well, you know, nobody wants to support the mafia, do they? No, I mean, that’s kind of it. And, you know, identifying who they are, where they came from, and that they are still indeed a mafia and probably the most powerful organized criminal group on the planet. And the reason behind that is that they have the ability to launder your money, no matter what your racket is, whether it’s drugs or prostitution or organ trafficking or arms trafficking. You can make all the money in the world and you end up like those poor schlubs and breaking bad where he’s burying his money and 100 gallon drums because he can’t spend it, you know, because, you know, you look at how they got Al Capone on, he was spending more than he made.

So they got him on a tax, a tax fraud thing. So, you know, the, because arian mafia has the ability to launder your money and make it clean and make it acceptable, you make you a pillar of the community, if you will, and so that you’re just a legitimate guy. You know, I look at that tv series Breaking Bad again, you know, my favorite character, and there’s that guy Gus. He’s the dark guy who’s got the. The chicken stores. Yep. Well, you know, in the store he’s the most customer service oriented guy ever. Want is everything.

Can we get you anything else? I mean, he’s just the greatest guy ever wanted to meet. He donates to all the police fraternal orders and he’s always at these functions and things. But when he takes the mask off and he shows who he really is, he’s one of the most brutal criminals you ever come across in your life. And that’s the nature of what criminals are. That’s what the successful ones do. And so you never know them for who and what they really are. But, you know, I was talking to another friend of mine about a good sign that if you see something like Rockefeller center or Crown Plaza or something along those lines where they’ve got their name associated, some philanthropist titled thing that they’re giving to the Guggenheim Museum, you can always count that there’s some criminal entity behind it that they’re trying to whitewash themselves.

They’ll take out billions in illicit profits, but they’ll put a, you know, a percent or two back into that, make it look like they’re doing good for the community. So they can always whitewash their names. But let’s get back on the crime and punishment. So the example I was giving was, you got some, some punks in your neighborhood who are spray painting buildings and they’re costing people a lot of money. Well, you finally catch them. What do you do with them? You know, they’re 16, 1718 years old. You don’t want to incarcerate them all. You could incarcerate them for a year.

If you give them probation, that’s a slap on the wrist, and they go out and start doing it again. So what do you do to them? And like I said, I’m not suggesting, but as if society goes the way I think it’s going to go. We’re going to have to take law enforcement and crime and punishment into our own hands as citizens if we wish to keep our world sane. So you’ve got these taggers. What would be wrong with putting them in the stocks in the public square for four days over the weekend? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday night, and you let them out Sunday night.

I mean, you, you give them water two or three times a day so that they don’t become dehydrated, but there’s no bathroom breaks. They don’t get to stand up straight. They don’t. You’re not harming them in any way. There’s nothing done to them except you’re humiliating them. Now, if someone wants to walk by and throw a rotten tomato in their face because they, you know, they spray painted their, their house or their, their office building, that’s another matter. Um, you know, if somebody wants to go piss in their face, no, nobody matters. But, you know, putting them in the stocks for multiple days where they soil themselves and, uh, they’re, they’re, they’re, you know, they can, they can fast for four days, just give them water, enough to keep them hydrated, keep healthy.

Yep. And then turn them out. Um, you know, you look at the cost of what doing that is compared to the cost of incarcerating them for six months. If we agree on, let’s say, a $50,000 a year incarceration cost, you just save your community $25,000 and you have somebody stand guard down there on them 24/7 so that, you know, they’re not really, you know, they’re not, they’re not, they’re not serious harm doesn’t come to them. They’re not brutalized. Nobody’s going to come up and slit their throat while they’re in the stocks or cut their fingers off or anything like that.

But, you know, they’re, they’re, they’re protected, but they’re humiliated. And you, you advertise it, you put it on the cable channel and say, well, we’re going to review who’s in the stocks tonight, you know, for the local news. Right. These type of things are strong incentives that they don’t want to do, you know? And another option, and we saw this in Singapore, remember? I don’t know, what’s this gotta be? 2025 years ago that, that american kid who got caught spray painting cars in buildings in Singapore. Oh, I remember that. He was tagging them. Yeah. Remember that? Now, I forgot that you, I forgot that until you just mentioned that.

Well, he got six strokes of cane. Yeah, I remember. And they, they put him in these little special chaps and his little white bear ass was sticking out there and the, the singaporean authorities took this. It’s got to be seven or 8ft long. It’s real whippy kind of thing. And they call it a cane. And they whipped his ass, I mean, literally whipped his butt with it. And I’ll guarantee you he never forgot. No, no, get something like that. He was begging for leniency. Oh, I’ll never do it again. I’ll never do it again. And you know what? After the punishment, I guarantee you he’ll never do it again.

Exactly. It’s one of these kind of things that we as a people, if we’re going to preserve what is good and righteous in our society, have to take a look at what’s not working, you know, and our system of criminal justice as it exists today is not working. Can I want to jump in here real quick because you took me back when you were talking about the caning of this kid in Singapore. Immediately I went back to thinking. I remember when I was in elementary school, they had the paddle, if you did something really bad, you get corporal punishment.

You go to the principal’s office and they give you like four or five, couple swats. Right. Well, um, and that was generally reserved for something that was really bad. Now, um, but then I was just in my brain, the way my brain works, I mean, I instantly kind of fast forward is like, when did they stop doing that? And how, when did we see a correlation of bad behavior starting to really start to bubble up within the school system? Because at that point the only punishment they had was expulsion. And it’s like, oh, no, get me out of school and forever.

Oh, that’s a, that’s a punishment. Uh, um, but then I also thought, well, I remember when they started saying to the parents, don’t, don’t spank your kids anymore? And I’m thinking to myself, you know what, I had never put those two together. But I feel like the whole thing about not spanking your kids is another mechanism by the powers that be. It’s like, oh, well, this is, causes such psychological damage to your children. But I remember as a kid I got spanked. I’m sure it’s like we were, we turned out fine. This whole thing is, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s like a gradual acceptance of little to no punishment for negative behavior.

Well, well, Ron, let me go a little bit sideways on you here on this one because I look at the christians and how we are told to turn the other cheek. You know, the reason we’re told this, we don’t kill the guy who just offended us violently. We’re supposed to turn the other cheek. It’s the same thing as not spanking your kids. If this guy’s got no consequence against him, you know, he may slap you again. Turn the other cheek again. Well, you know, many of us are tired of doing this. I don’t want to go the jewish way of an eye for an eye.

I think that is, you know, too much retribution there, that if you go eye for an eye, but. But there has to be a consequence to bad behavior and you learn not to do it. And I remember being a kid growing up, I was in kindergarten, and some kid took a black crayon and scribbled all over his desk. Well, Mister Whaley, who was the print on the principal at the time, came in to the class, we were all sitting there. He pulled his pants down and he paddled him with his bare hand right in front of all of us.

So we all got the idea that you don’t want to scribble with a black crayon all over the top of your desk. Then he had to clean it off. But it put a touch of fear into all of us. Kindergarten, you’re five years old, you know, and you, you see what they’re willing to do to you if you behave badly. And there, that doesn’t exist in our society today. These kids, hey, what are they gonna do to me? I’m a juvie. They can’t do nothing. Well, maybe we can. Maybe we can give you a few strokes of the cane.

Maybe we can push in the stocks. We’ll put you in the stocks first because that’s less, you know, corporal, but if we catch you again, you might get a canine, you know, it’s going to escalate from there, but we need to examine what we’re doing to things, because like I said, how many times do we see on the news that an illegal alien who’s committed other crimes in this country, was caught, was deported, has come back in, this is his 9th time being caught and deported. Now he finally raped and killed an eleven year old girl.

So maybe if we had cut his thumb off, his left thumb off the first time he got deported, he might be a little hesitant to come back and commit more crimes here. But. But we’re going to have to do this because with, you know, I read a statistic in the mexican elections, when they elected the jew shine bomb down there for the first jewish mexican president ever, that they had 37 million mexican votes were cast from the United States. So that gives you an idea of how many just Mexicans are living here illegally. 37 million mexican votes were cast remotely from the United States in that, and that election.

So we know we’ve got at least 37 million mexican illegals here, not to mention how many million other illegals here. So, you know, we’ve got these problems and you know, we’ve got to be able to solve these things. We can’t have the criminal element crossing the border like it doesn’t exist. They’re criminals in their country. They become criminals in our country. And how are we going to deal with them? Do I want to house them for a year or ten years for the crime? No, I don’t. I want to do something that’s cost effective and, and efficient that’s going to curtail them committing more crimes.

Like coming back into my country a second 3rd time. Like, like the guy who killed Kate. Was it Kate Steinle or whatever? And yes, she was the one who was killed in on the San Francisco Wharf area, right? Yep. Yeah. With, from, with her dad. Yeah. Yeah. He has shot her. Yeah. That guy been deported multiple times and yet he shoots and kills, you know, a pretty american girl, 30, 30. She was 32. And I looking this up now, and they just, they sentenced him to time served in 2022 and deported him. How much you want to bet he’s back? I’ll bet you $100 he’s back.

But we need to approach things differently. And so this guy who murdered this girl, we should hang him, behead him. It’s a capital crime. He should pay with his life. And here’s a young 32, attractive young girl dead. She’s never going to have kids, never going to raise a family. Her life was taken from her by this. Correct, this piece of shit. And we need to do things that match his energy for what his offense did. And like I said, I’ll go back to the kindergarten example that I gave. They did it in front of the rest of us.

Yeah. So that the rest of us saw. And we were scared to death to scribble on the desk with crayons. We were scared to death do anything out of line because we didn’t want to get our pants pulled down and get our butt beat in front of everybody else either. And you know, there’s two elements. One is the corporal nature of it. It’s, it’s painful, but more importantly, that kid was embarrassed in front of his peers. Class. Yep. And, and that, that works. I mean, public humiliation is a, is a wonderful deterrent against bad behavior. Yes, it is.

That’s where things like the stocks and the canines and these things for what I’ll call petty crimes, you know, petty theft, you know, defacing public property, you know, those type of things, the more capital crimes are, the more severe crimes are going to take different sets of punishments as well. But I’m tired of, you know, paying these guys to live a relatively decent life in prison. You know, the old joke is, at least I’m in jail. I get three hots in a copy. They’re living a better life than they may have been living on the street.

And we need to make their lives worse, not better, by bringing them in. They get free dental care. They get free medical. They get all these things. Now, I’m not saying that the prisons are any panaceas, but because I look at the corruption that’s in the correction system itself, the example I will give is, you know, a prison is supposed to be the most secure environment on the planet, right? Nothing gets in. Why are there drug problems in prison? Why, why is there. Why is there such a flourishing drug? I’ll tell you why. Because the corrections officers are in on it.

They’re getting paid or they’re getting blackmailed or they’re getting extorted somehow to go along with allowing contraband to be trafficked into prisons. And those type of people who will do that need to be removed from the corrections institutions. You know, we can’t stand for that. I mean, you look at the violence in the prisons. You know, the prison rape problem alone is enormous. You know, the racial problems in prisons alone are enormous. All of these things we can do away with if we reform our system of justice to make it more expeditious and more permanent. So that’s.

You’re preaching to the choir, brother. I, you know, I’m sitting here saying, yes, Lord, preach. Amen. That’s the states, the Sunday. I’m like Jerry Falwell. Yes, brother, preach it. But no, it’s, it’s. What you’re saying is absolutely true. And, you know, you think about I. Public speaking, what, you know, what people. What, what’s, what are people more terrified, more terrified of than death? And that’s public speaking. Well, take public speaking and make it public. But public humiliation, at least when you’re publicly speaking, people have the, have the ability to maybe cheer on you, cheer you up or cheer you on type thing.

But, you know, getting humiliated in public, I mean, you’re basically. It’s that, that’s. It doesn’t get any worse than that. Hey, you’re the guy selling the stocks, right? Exactly. That’s kind of it. And like I said, with something like the stocks for minor sets of crimes, criminality, there’s no harm done other than to the person’s ego and self and self image because he thinks he’s a cool guy, gonna go out and tag this and tag that or steal this and steal that. If he’s got to do the time in the stocks where after four days, he’s got to walk home with.

With a. With a pant load full of crap that he’s soiled himself with, he’s not going to be feeling so, so arrogant, so, so, so studly, if you will. He’s not going to feel like he’s on top of his game anymore. And. And I think that is how we attack this problem of this criminality that spreads. And like your first example you used of the broken window thing, it, if you start it at just the miners level, you don’t allow any enforcement. I mean, you don’t allow anything to be out of place. If you start it at that, people will learn to accept it and they will like it.

They will like living in a nicer, cleaner neighborhood that doesn’t have graffiti, overdose, everything. They like living in a place that doesn’t have drug dealers on the corners and stuff. You know, that’s another set of issues that needs to be addressed is, you know, the Drug Enforcement Act, I think was 1970, should have been called the Drug Price Protection act of 1970, 1000%. Well, maybe because all they did was, by criminalizing everything, is they made it high price. I mean, you look at it cost about seven cents to make a gram of cocaine in Colombia. That’ll sell for $100 in the USA.

So you talk about an incentive and a profit margin. Yeah, there’s a huge incentive and a huge profit margin there. It was so huge that. That’s why Ollie North, John Poindexter, William Colby were convicted in Congress of violating the laws. They confessed to bringing cocaine the country, converting it to crack and selling the black inner cities to take the welfare money the blacks were getting and to deploy it in El Salvador for the war that Congress wouldn’t fund. This is criminal activity. That’s a different class of crime. Those men should have been executed for treason for what they did.

Instead, Reagan pardoned them. I know. I know. You know? Are you familiar with this is a little bit of a tangent, but there’s, there’s, it runs parallel to what you just talked about. Are you familiar with the, it was like the anonymous letter that was posted to the Internet in like, 2006 time frame, and he talked about the secret meeting that changed rap forever. And it was all about the investors of the private prison industry had gone into business with the movie or with the, with this, with the record labels, and they were going to begin to promote violence in order to have a supply of labor for their prison industry in the private prisons.

Yes, yes, yes, I recall that very, very distinctly. Yeah, I can’t quote you the particulars about it, but yes, I do recall it. Speaker one. No, and, and I just want to say, you know, look, I have some very, very close and dear friends that are black. And, you know, I, look, you know, when a lot of times I have a general contempt for the, for the notion that, you know, we live in a racist society, because I don’t necessarily believe that, but I do believe that there are forces out there that are targeting the black community to have that mindset, and I to also behave in the mindset that would, that would cause division and strife in between white and black races because like you said, you know, hey, nobody wants to be around crime all the time, but yet these people, by listening to this music, are literally, I mean, what, blacks are 10% of the population and yet they commit like 80% of the violent crime.

So it’s something, it’s something like that. And again, I’m not, this isn’t a, this isn’t, I’m not down on black people per se, but I do believe that, that 80% of crime that is committed is being perpetrated by people who are influencing them to create the crime, creating basically robots, if you will, with, you know, a societal constructs with music and things like that. I’m not, I’m not exonerating them of doing any, of any, of any badland. I’m not exonerating the black or the people who are committing crime, of their crimes because they still, they still should have the wherewithal to be able to restrain themselves.

But the fact that they are in the petri dish and targeted by very high power forces, they’re not wrong when they talk about systemic issues that are, that are, you know, that are keeping them down in some respects. Well, there are, and I look at our own government. I just gave the example of, you know, what the US government did to fund the war in El Salvador, that Congress would not approve. So they created a black program to sell crack and make money and all that. And that came out in the Iran Contra hearings back in the Reagan era.

And this has been going on ever since then. I mean, you know, I’ll give the example of Afghanistan and the opioid problem. When the Taliban ran Afghanistan, prior to the us occupation, prior, there was about 250 metric tons of opium being produced a year out of Afghanistan, which is a lot under the us occupation. And this is when Donald Trump took over. It’s like the year of 2017. 2018, when Trump was in office, the production of opium had increased from 2250 metric tons to 9800 metric tons a year. And the US was the occupation force. Nothing got in, nothing got out without the US.

The us military was involved in it. Pat Tillman. The allegations are that Pat Tillman was going to go public with what they were doing in Afghanistan about the opioid problem, and that’s why he was killed by friendly fire. But now that the Taliban has taken back over again, and the Taliban is running Afghanistan again, opioid production is less than 200 metric tons a year. So really, the american people owe the Taliban a debt of gratitude for curtailing the opium problem. Now the drug cartels and the people who are sponsoring them have gone the other direction. Now they’re bringing in fentanyl, which is much deadlier than opium was.

I mean, you got people overdosing on the heroin and stuff, you know, that’s a given. But they’re, you know, we’re losing, you know, 80, 90,000 a year on the fentanyl, where the opioid problem was a fraction of that. But this is. This is big criminality here. These are people who deserve death sentences for what they’re doing with the harm they’re committing to our people. And you’re exactly correct that the blacks were targeted. There’s no doubt about that. They were targeted by the Reagan administration as a source of income to sell crack cocaine to. And they did.

Now, we look at the big cities and the black on black crime down there that’s going on. It’s. Most of the black on black crime is driven by one thing, and that is control of territory. The cartels control Chicago. And, you know, if you want to make more money, you got to have more territory to sell your product. So this group of blacks will kill that group of blacks, the other black group will retaliate. And you get this black on black killing going on and on and on. And it’s about who controls the turf to sell the drugs.

So how do we reform our system to change that? How do we get control over the drug problem that is the cause of so much murder and so much death in our country? How do we do this? How do we solve this puzzle? Portugal legalized a lot of things. And like I said, I have mixed feelings on this. There are some drugs out there that I think should be legalized. You should be able to go to Walgreens and buy them, just like you buy sudafed. You got to sign for it. And if you wanted to go down there and buy psilocybin or LSD or something else, these are non habitual drugs, but drugs that are truly toxic to humanity, the human life.

Fentanyl for one, methamphetamines another. If you’re selling these toxins to people, you know how the Chinese stopped the opium wars was they started killing their addicts, and they killed the market, the consumer market for the drugs and death to drug traffickers. I was talking to a guy the other day. We were talking about he had at one time in his life been, he said, heavily addicted to methamphetamine. He said heavily addicted. He was hallucinating all the time. And he, what was, was really out there. But he turned his life around, got clean, and all this. Won’t touch the stuff.

But he says most of the drugs in this country are sold like Amway cells. And that is, he buys from his dealer, he buys more than he needs, and then he sells to the guy who wants to try it, and this other guy who wants to try. The next thing you know, they’re buying from him on a regular basis because they like it. Now they are getting a habit, so they’ve got to find somebody to sell to, because if he’s buying from his dealer and he’s paying $50, he’s selling it to this other guy for $100, and he’s funding his own drug habit by what he sells to other people.

And that’s how the drug proliferation in this country has been so successful, is because people are always trying to expand their network, find another customer that they can sell to at a profit, so they can fund their own drug habits. And that’s, uh, that, that’s the state of affairs order. You know, one of the things that I think a lot of people don’t realize is the people who are dealing the drugs don’t touch the drugs at the high levels. Yes, yes. The, uh, I mean, you know, it’s not like Scarface, where Al Pacino sticks his, uh, head down at his desk into a bucket of cocaine takes the biggest story can.

That’s not what it’s like. It’s, you know, you look at the guys like El Chapo, hey, these guys are hardcore businessmen. He’s not sampling the merchandise. That’s not what he does. He’s got a business to run, and it’s, you know, it’s a business for him. But the people on the street level, the, the lower tier dealers, they’re the ones who are sampling the wares and trying to increase their network so they have somebody else to sell to at a profit. But another problem we have with law enforcement on this drug issue is our law enforcement. They’ll bust a guy selling, you know, dime bags on the street.

Oh, we got you intent to sale. You’ve got, you know, half an ounce here. We’re going to send you to jail for 20 years unless you help us get your boss up the ladder and give us your guy upstream. Just keep going on like everything’s normal and bring us in and help us introduce us to him, and we’ll work with you to make sure you never do prison time. Meanwhile, drugs are still getting on the street, you know, and I think a better approach is, is that if you, if you bust a guy for retail sales like that, you get them off the street as quick as you can and you stop it and you say, look, the only thing is going to help you is if you give us the names of five other guys just like you who are doing the same thing, and, you know, you can clean it up that way.

Because if you break the distribution network at the retail level, they don’t have any customers anymore. They, they, their cash flow is impaired. They can’t, they don’t have the right to sell to you. What’s it, what do they do? Stack it up in the warehouse? They’ve got to have this stuff moving out on the street on a daily basis. And so stop going after Mister big, who never gets caught, never gets arrested, never goes to jail, except once in a blue moon, you know, start going after the retail guys. So going after the guys who are selling to their friends and neighbors.

The guy who’s got a half an ounce, he’s trying to sell so he can fund his drug habit for another week, go after these guys and bust them and break those, those retail networks, you break it down to that level, and the only way they’re going to get any leniency is if they cooperate and give other dealers who are in the same business therein not going after the elusive Mister big. Well, I agree with everything that you’re saying, so. But let’s. Let’s kind of bring it home a little bit. I think there’s two, actually. I would say that there are three categories of criminals, and I know that there’s more.

But you’ve got your petty criminal just, you know, or the. Or the person who has to steal to survive because they don’t have any money, because their job has been taken from them, because the powers that be of destroyed the currency and all this other stuff. So they’re literally creating petty criminals who. People who are just doing the bare necessity to try to just get by. Then you have. Then you kind of have the mid level criminal, which is like, you know, talking about your drug dealers, your, you know, your corrupt cops, your, you know, the organized crime at the lower level, and then you’ve got your major criminals, which is like the upper.

The upper brain trust of the organized crime syndicates, whether that be in the government sector or the. Or the, you know, the intelligence sector or, you know, cartels, whatever. I look at the. At the second two as those are the people. In terms of that, we really need to focus on if you’re. If you’re guilty of. If you’re. If you’re able to take care of yourself and you’re just committing petty crimes because you just like to do and just to show off and, you know, and try to get people to be afraid of you or whatever, that’s different from people who were just trying to, you know, just feel.

To get by. I’m getting tongue tied here. Sorry. But the people who are guilty at any of those three levels, I feel like, uh. That are. That are doing things deliberately. I don’t. I don’t know if we should have any mercy. And I think we should have an amnesty period where we know we don’t show any mercy and these people are all gone. Because if we don’t rid ourselves of this problem, it’s never going to go away. Well, it’s. It’s not going to go away the way we are now. And. And the reason is there’s too much money in it.

I mentioned El Chapo a moment ago, if you remember his trial, when he came out and said in open court with recorders and reporters and things in the room. He said, I paid Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer $100 million a year to keep the border open so I can do business. And immediately, the judge emptied the court, closed it up, sealed all the records. Nobody ever heard anything else, the next thing you know, he’s sentenced to life in prison. But, you know, they, you know, whatever. You have that type of stuff, that type of government graph.

Now, I’m not saying if it’s true or not. I don’t know. I had no interaction with El Chapo or Pelosi or Schumer. However, if it is true, it needs to be investigated. But it was shut up. Like it never occurred. Right? And these are the kind of things where our government is rotten from the inside. And Ron, you and I and many other Americans, hopefully people listening, we’re good Americans. We like our country. We like our system. We like how things are supposed to run. We don’t like how they’re being run. And we’re stuck in a position here where I like the fact that we have laws.

I like the fact that there’s a speed limit on the freeway because I want to drive 70 miles an hour as a reasonable amount of speed. I don’t want some guy doing 140 down the highway jeopardizing my life and my friends and my family and all that kind of stuff. I want there to be some order, some predictability to the world. I want to be able to walk around unarmed and not expect to be robbed or mugged or beat up or, if I was a woman, to be raped. I like the fact that laws existed, and I like the fact that laws are enforced.

But what do we do when we, as we wish to be good, law abiding Americans, are put in a position where our government is committing the crimes against us, where the government has become toxic to the american people. And that is the conundrum that people in this country find themselves in today, that our government has become toxic. If you look at what the Democrats have done to Trump, just over, over power. I mean, this is not how our system is supposed to run. This is not how it was designed. Well, not just the Democrats. It is.

It’s a segment of the Republicans as well. Well, you mean, but you look at, like, Hillary Clinton, she’s taking bleach pit and she’s taking hammers to her BlackBerry phones because under sub, while she’s under subpoena to produce records and destroying them. You know, she should still, she should be getting out in about four years if she was Trump, but she’s not, and she walked. And the american people can see this injustice. What do we do when we have a government that is dysfunctional because one group has power and the other group doesn’t? And can I, can I use, can I can I piggyback on what you just said there? Because.

Okay, so this is, this. I’m going to just emphasize a point, how powerful the media is in this country right now. And talking about the. I used this example the other day when. When Comey came out and enumerated all of the things that she had done. That was July 5 of 2016. All right? That was a Tuesday. Wednesday, Alton Moore and Alton Sterling and Philando Castile were, were shot by white cops. I think one was in Louisiana and one was in Minnesota. And then by Friday, BLM was. BLM had shot up the Dallas police station and killed five police officers.

Well, by. On Tuesday, when everybody was. Was talking about Hillary Clinton and how she got off, how she. How the system was possibly rigged and whatnot, by Friday, everybody was talking about the, you know, the injustices of these white cops killing these black guys and BLM and all the police officers that were killed in Dallas. Nobody gave a shit about what happened to Hillary Clinton. And that that topic never resurfaced in the media. Well, that’s. That’s funny how this works. And that, that shows you the power of the mediaev. Now, the good news is, is that the media is losing their audience in droves.

And, you know, CNN is in the tank. Like, they. They were the number one news outlet at one time, but they’re no longer there. But that is the power of the media. And, you know, I gotta see, at the time, I thought Reagan was a great president. So did I. As more time goes by, I think Reagan was one of our worst presidents ever. And here’s why. You know, the Iran Contra thing was just one thing where they were bringing in drugs. They developed a business model to sell drugs to fund dark black programs, okay, that the Congress wouldn’t fund.

And they were still doing it throughout the time in Afghanistan, and they’re still doing it now with fentanyl. Our own government is in on this. That’s why the border is wide open. Okay? Our government is in on. They’re making a profit off of cannibalizing their own citizens. Are supposed to protect our governments. In on that. That’s one major, major issue here that people don’t look at and don’t discuss. But the government’s toxic in a multitude of ways. They really have betrayed the american people. And Reagan also. I mean, I’ll bring up two things I’ve said all the time, is Reagan deregulated the airlines with the promise that we were going to have cheaper flights, better service, you know, all the happy horseshit that happened.

More competition. Well, instead we had, you know, 50 plus, you know, international carriers, you know, back in Reagan’s era, and we’re down to, what, five, six now? And you know that the service has gotten worse, costs have gotten better. They nickel and dime you for everything. Used to sit down on an airplane and do you want the chicken or you want the beef? They gave you a meal and you had silverware that was made out of metal that you could use to eat it with. And so everything that they said they were going to do by deregulating the airlines was the exact opposite.

Well, Reagan did the same thing with the telecom industry. We’re going to be regulated, exactly regulated, because going to have more competition, you’re going to have more choice, you’re going to have more variety. Well, I’m sorry, folks, but we went from 156 networks nationwide, both radio and tv, down to six. And so the six networks operate as a cartel. And the talking points they use are the talking points they use. We’ve all seen these little. What do they call those things? Collage of the talking heads on network one, network two, network three, network four. They’re all saying the exact same line, just read off the exact same seller property.

It’s right there in front of our face. So Reagan did a bunch of dumb things to this country. He’s a lousy president. Reagan is the one who started deficit spending, supply side economics. We’re going to invest in our future. $35 trillion later, they still haven’t figured out how to say no to any spending they ever met. You know, Reagan is the guy who signed that first amnesty to give these, gave California to the left. And now, let me finish here. But, you know, we had the first amnesty. It was a one time amnesty with strict enforcement against those who are going to hire illegals.

It’s never been enforced. Never been enforced. And then, to make matters worse, the 400,000 people they were going to grant amnesty to ended up being 3.2 million people that they gave amnesty to. So it was eight times larger than what they thought. And to make matters worse, there’s been seven additional amnesty’s in there since then. Seven more times they amnesty. Oh, it’s only once. Everything they tell you is a lie. You know, they’re. If they say it’s going to be good for you, it’s going to be bad for you. Everything Reagan did, I was. I was, you know, I believed in Ron Reagan.

I thought he was great, affable guy, all this good stuff. But everything he did had the opposite effect of what he said it was going to have. You know, that’s the supply side economics put us $35 trillion in debt. The amnesty has created open borders, you know, deregulating the telecom ministry has created a news information monopoly cartel that controls what we’re receiving. If we disagree with the narrative where we’re canceled, you know, all of these things are out there. We’re way off home base on crime and punishment. But it just tells you there is, what people need to realize is there is a group out there that has been waging asymmetrical warfare against the american people in our country for.

Since before JFK was gonna be 100 years plus. Well, since the Federal Reserve act went into place, there is this khazarian mafia cartel out there that has been waging war against us to topple our government into. Destroy our people. I’d actually go back further than that, brother. I’d say. I’d say it goes back to, like, 14th amendment at minimum. If not. If not the war against the state or the war, you know, war of northern aggression. You know, I mean, there’s. There’s been a concerted effort to, to get at the United States from within, from a long.

For a long time. And I would say the, the 14th Amendment was. A lot of people like to talk about the 1871 act, but I actually think that the. What, what they’re talking about really is more of a. Of a court understanding and interpretation of the 14th Amendment. And. But anyway, that’s, that’s get. We’re getting off on that. But, but I just wanted to draw the, the analogy to what you’re talking about is we are. We are amongst really heavy criminals now, and what are we going to do to them? Well, that takes us back to square one, and that is our society appears to be collapsing.

Our local governments are. They’re groaning under the strain right now. How much longer will they be able to put policemen, county sheriff’s deputies out in there to hold down the law? And if they do, what’s going to happen to it? So how are we going to put crime and punishment to people who come in and offend us, harm our people, you know, I mean, harm our children, you know, do these kind of things. I mean, I look at what’s going on in the black inner cities and that the selling of drugs in there. People should be hanging by the necks for selling drugs in black inner cities, that they.

They should be stopped. They should be stopped at the border. They should. These cartels should be stopped at the border. I mean, we. We should have called out the us military to go into Mexico and eradicate that problem. We’re losing 100,000 people a year to drug overdose now from fentanyl. I mean, that’s more than we lost in the entirety of the Vietnam war. We’re losing it twice. Twice that number in a single year. And we’re doing nothing. We’re sitting on our ass about it. But the whole point of this was to get people to think outside the box about crime and punishment, because there isn’t any.

There’s always crime, but there’s no punishment. There’s. There’s no accountability for anything. So if we’re going to maintain a structure of a society, we, the people have to be give the accountability to the criminals. And what that looks like is up to each of us. I. I like the cost effective, medieval answers that, you know, if you. If you do a bad enough crime, you know, you minor crime, you get put in the stocks. Worst crime, you get the stocks and the caning of, you know, where do you stop? Do you cut off the guy’s thumb? If he’s been deported before, yeah, maybe you do.

He’ll lose most of the use of that hand because without the opposable thumb, he can’t grip things. He’ll never pick up a knife or a gun again with that hand. So do you do these type of things? Do we administer floggings? Do we. Public hangings, beheadings for egregious enough crimes. Well, I’ll tell you what. If we catch politicians doing what El Chapo accused Schumer and Pelosi of. Damn right we’re going to have beheadings. We’ll cut their heads off because, you know, look at the lives that they’ve ruined. I mean, look at that Sackler family, for Christ’s sake, with Purdue Pharma.

I mean, they volunteered. They took all their money, their 25, 30 billion in profit, and fled the country to Liechtenstein, where there is no extradition treaty. And they’re sitting over there. But they volunteered to settle it for a paltry $6 billion. How much did they cost this country? How many lives did they cost by getting people addicted to their opioid drugs that they were having every doctor in the country prescribed because they were non addictive? I mean, these people are criminals. This criminality going on in a large face. And we, as the american people, have the right to put accountability against the criminal element.

If it’s a local thing, if some guy kills his wife, crime of passion, because she’s seeing somebody else, that’s one class of crime. But when you have systemic, widespread crimes like this and they get off scot free, I mean, do you think Bernie Madoff, who made billions of that, he scammed off of people. Why is he alive still after the harm he’s done to other people? I mean, these are big crimes. These are. These are things that need to be dealt with severely so they don’t repeat themselves. But as long as they can do it and get away with it, like the Sackler family, they’re living large in Lichenstein.

They’re having a great time over there, spending their other 24 billion they still have left after paying their fine. Right. You know, I mean, these things are unconscionable. And the fact that we’ve got our black inner cities in such disarray, so many murders over drug turf. They’re killing each other over who has the right to sell drugs. You know, we. We’ve got, you know, 37 million illegal aliens from Mexico alone in this country right now today, because they just voted in the mexican election in August. Elected. That misses President Steinbaum. You know, so, you know, we know they’re here.

We know they’re voting in foreign elections. They’re not going to vote in ours and sees other illegal aliens. I mean, how do we purge our society? How do we clean it up so that we can live in a decent country with a decent culture? And I’ll. I say this often, I’ll say it again. We can’t maintain a first world culture and civilization with a third world population. The people who come across that border are illiterate in their own languages. They can’t read and write in Spanish. They can’t read and write in French like the Haitians. They can’t read and write in Swahili or whatever else, because there is no written african languages.

But how do we maintain our lives? You know, we we can’t be burdened by these people dragging us down to their gutter level, you know? Do you want to go back to living in mud huts like they do in Cameroon? I don’t want to go there. That’s not how I want my kids to grow up. I want my kids to be, you know, going to Mars and exploring the galactic neighborhood around us here to find out where there’s other planets that are suitable for human life. That’s what I was hoping my kids would get to do.

That we’ve been let down. I mean, I remember being a kid and watching in 1968, the, you know, the Apollo program and stuff. And thinking, by golly, I’m 14 years old now. I’m going to be on Mars by the time I’m 40. This is fantastic. That was my life’s dream was to do that. I worked hard to go to college and study and do things in order to enable myself to be able to do that. And we’ve been disappointed. We’ve been to cheated out of our, out of our legacy here. And whatever happened to all the money that Reagan invested in the strategic defense Initiative, the Star wars program? Right.

All those programs, a trillion dollars went, went into that and we haven’t seen anything from it yet. It’s interesting, you go back, have you ever listened to the Robert Welch speech from like, I think was like 1961 or 60, maybe 65, 66, shortly after he created the John Birch Society, he gave his speech. I want to say he was in like Washington or something, but whatever. And anyway, he just, he essentially laid out the plan that was, you know, in our midst that, you know, it was like, look, what they’re going to do is they’re going to basically spend us into oblivion.

That’s the whole point. And by spending us into oblivion, they will bank, we will bankrupt the country. And so this whole notion you talked earlier about the Federal Reserve act, that’s, yeah, that’s the whole point. That was the whole point of the Federal Reserve. It was, it was basically a hundred year plan to destroy this country from within. And where are we now? We’re in about 100 years. You know, everybody says, oh, the Federal Reserve came in in 1913. No, it was signed into law in 1913, but it actually didn’t start to function until like 1921 or 22, right before the roaring twenties started and a great party, and then they took away the punch bowl and you had the Great Depression.

So that’s interesting things here. But you look at the quality of problems we have and we hear the left talk about, oh, we have to be sustainable. Sustainable in what way? The biggest problem that society faces, that whenever you go take out a loan to buy a car or take out a loan to buy a house, they’ll lend you the money to buy the car, the house. But who creates the money that pays the interest that car or house generates? It’s never created, so you’ve got to get it from somewhere else. So there’s always a sense of scarcity, and so more debt has to be created and then more debt has to be created.

And so the, we’ve got the debt hyper bubble here that is ready to burst. And when it does, I cannot even begin to fathom what’s going to happen to the american people or the people of the world, for instance, and to our economy and our country. But that’s why I’m trying to prep this thinking. I want people to think about how are you going to deal in your own neighborhood, your own town, your own county with criminal elements that are doing bad things? How are you going to punish them if there is no police force, there is no county jail, there’s no state prison, there’s no federal prison because the money is gone.

It’s all been spent. It’s all gone. And take money to function, operate. So how are we going to preserve civilized life against criminal elements who are in our country that we didn’t invite here to keep our society going, to keep something intact here? How are we going to deal with this? Okay, I’m going to ask you, this is a hypothetical question. Mike Harris is the president or the dictator and Mike Harris gets to do whatever he wants in this particular situation. So you clean slate. If you had dictatorial powers, how would you deal with this? I mean, what would you do even at a local level and then at like, like a national level? Oh boy.

The national level is easier to start with. So let me start with there. I would renounce all of the federal debt. I would just, nope. We as the american people are not going to pay it. But I would also restructure our system. So you look at the two biggest expenses, three biggest expenses we have our interest, entitlement programs and defense spending. I would immediately cut the defense budget in half because there’s way too much fat and lard into it. And I would restructure the entitlement spending. The people who have Social Security taken from them, they’re entitled to get their money back that they invested with a gun to their head.

But the people who are living off the welfare system, I would end welfare as we know it. And that is there’s no more lifetime benefit for welfare. We’re looking at third and fourth generation being born into a welfare society these days. So I would say, look, you get a lifetime benefit of ten years. Everybody has hard times. Everybody loses a job. Sometimes it might take you a year or two or three to get back on your feet. So we’re going to not allow you to starve in the street. We’re not going to, you know, make you be destitute, but we’re not going to let you have children.

And then they have children and they have children on the welfare system. Those days are over. But a ten year lifetime benefit for welfare. And that would do a lot to curb the entitlement spending right off the top because, you know, this, Lyndon Johnson did that on purpose. And, you know, every time we have a warranty, you know, here’s what happens. The war on poverty, we got more poverty, the war on drugs, we got more drugs, got more terror. I mean, anytime makes a war on something, invest in that industry. Exactly. That’s so true. That’s your, that’s the model for, for sustained or wealth generation.

Follow whatever the government’s doing or whatever the government’s fighting. That’s what you want to invest in. That’s what you want to invest in. You, you want to, you want to be a welfare provider, you want to provide, you know, food programs to the indigent somehow. You want to provide housing for. Look at all the section eight housing. Some of the wealthiest guys I know are section eight landlords. That’s all they have is section eight housing. And they live pretty darn well. So these are things that can be addressed easily, but there’s so much superfluous spending in there that we don’t need to do.

I mean, do we really need to study? I would cut off these universities from all these grants and programs. I would expel foreign students. I would get them out of our country, you know, the Chinese in particular, because they’re robbing us of our intellectual property that’s developed at the universities, and I would reform our country. And here’s another freebie I’ll give away. Everybody can have a free education up through to and including PhD, but you’re required to get to a minimum standard of being able to read, to write, and do a math, arithmetic at an 8th grade level.

After that, if you don’t want to go to school, you don’t want to be there, you can drop out. We’re not going to waste our time trying to educate you if you don’t want to be there. So you get out, stay out, don’t come back. But anybody who’s got the wherewithal, the intellect and the drive to go to medical school, to go to law school, to go to PhD programs, we will pay for the entire thing because we want an educated, well informed populace. But we’re also going to have standards that we’re not going to allow the AEA, the American Education association to dilute to make it so that the blacks can pass.

Either they can pass or they can’t pass. But if you drop out because you don’t have the ability, if you drop out because you don’t have the drive. If you drop out, you don’t have the ambition to want to complete the program and make these strenuous programs. So we produce high quality, educated people that should be free because we’re investing in our future that way. That is how we’re going to keep the United States as a world power. Maybe not the world power, but as a world power, because the world is changing around us, because we’re stuck in this, these delusions of empire by the khazarian mafia that thinks they run this country.

Right. We, the people have to push back. But that, that would be one of the first sets of things I would do, is I would, I would force a 50% cut in defense spending right off the bat and reform welfare so that you’ve got a ten year window over the course of your life to collect the benefit. No. How would you deal with the punishment of crime, of criminals? Of criminals? It depends on what’s the scope of the crime. I am not afraid of using corruption like corruption and fostering corruption and racketeering. Call it basically corruption and racketeering.

That, that has basically fostered a criminal element in the, in the, in the country. Basically actoring, acting not in the bet, deliberately acting not in the best interest of your constituents. That should be a, I consider that to be a treason. Yeah, I agree. As treason, it should be a death penalty because you’re harming the people, that you have a fiduciary duty to look after, care. That’s why you’re in government. That. I don’t care if you’re a bureaucrat or an elected politician. If you’re not doing your very best to serve the people and not serve yourself, then, then you should be executed for your, your corruption, if that’s what it is.

In this revolving door that we have, you work at EPA today. Tomorrow you’re working for Dow Chemical. You know, those type of things. Oh, like Lloyd also. Oh, you’re, you’re a general today and tomorrow you’re working for Raytheon. I mean, these type of things. This has got to stop. I mean, this, this can’t be. I mean, you know, I look at our government today and we’ve got all these career politicians there. That, that is their life’s work, is to be a politician and make themselves rich. I would rather pick 535 people out of the phone book, if we still had phone books, but I’d rather pick five or 35 people at random to do the best job they possibly can and go in there and try to run this country and try to pass laws that make sense and to serve the american people.

That is what our government was designed for. It was a lifetime or not a lifetime, but a government of service to the people. We put them there, and they’ve created methodologies to where they stay there forever. Another fact that most people don’t know, but 96% of the time, the candidate with the most money wins. And so if you’re a congressman, your job is to raise money. I mean, you got elected yesterday. This is a new day. I start raising money for my cycle in two years. That’s not right. That’s not how this is supposed to work.

You know, you. You have better things to do than raise money to get yourself reelected. So we need to reform how our campaigns are run. Do I want to see publicly funded? No, I don’t mean I ran for governor of Arizona, and the hardest, one of the hardest things I had to do was getting on the ballot. I mean, I had to have, you know, 25,000 signatures minimum to get on the ballot, and I end up turning in like, 40,000. But it costs money to raise to get those kind of numbers, to get those kind of signatures on there.

It takes a lot to get the ballot. To get on the ballot. We need to lower the bar and make it easier for good people to be able to participate in the political process, because right now it’s structured to keep good people out well. And it will ruin your life if you run for it. Ask me how I know, because I still pay the price for my run. I truly am in a multitude of ways. How dare you want to get involved in the. In the political process, sir? How dare you? You know, as the old adage says, if voting could change things, it would become illegal.

That was Mark Twain. Samuel Clemens said that. Yeah. So, brilliant man. Absolutely. Well, okay, so now that you kind of gave me your thing that you would do at the national level and the, the local level really is more of a question. And let me. Let me predicate that to say that, okay, we have a situation where we have a societal breakdown, and you can’t rely on national government. All you have is local resources available to you. So in that particular scenario, what do you do to try to reach, restore order? That’s going to depend on the jurisdiction, you know, because the zeitgeist of the time is going to be different in New York City as it’s going to be in Elk City, Oklahoma.

Okay, that’s fair. Now then, give me. Give me what you would do in, in your, your, let’s just, let’s just say a small to medium sized town. Well, what is the state of disarray that we’re in? I mean, how collapsed are we? So. Okay, that’s a good, that’s a great question because a lot of this is going to depend on the situation. I mean, I don’t want to see these things used forever, but I want to see them used to stop the insanity. Okay. If we’ve got marauding bands going up and down the street, kicking indoors, home invasions to kill people and take their food because there is no food, how do you deal with those people? Well, you string them up.

You hang them. Well, you have to overtake them first. Well, you gotta stop them. And over, you have to overtake them first. So. But, and I guess the, where I was gonna go with that is, I was gonna say there is no law in order right now. There’s no, there are no police forces. There’s no, the grocery stores are, there’s nothing coming into the grocery stores. There’s no, there’s no supply chain at all. Whatever, whatever you have is what you have. And there’s no, there’s no police to enforce order. So that’s basically it’s. I mean, it’s, it’s as, it’s as chaotic as you can get.

Well, you know, go watch the movie Mad Max. You know, that’s a. Not Mad Max, but the road warrior, the second one that came out with Mel Gibson, that’s really what you’re describing there because that could be a situation we find ourselves in. And you’re going to have to form up into communities that have a goal, have a purpose, and whether it’s. That’s to protect your crops because they want your food. And the road warrior, it was about they, they wanted the gasoline because that was the ability to be mobile. But if they want your crops, then you’ve got to handle like they did out west.

I mean, you know, cattle rustling is still a crime in parts of the west. Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado. There’s parts where ranchers are that the brand inspector has to come out before you can ship a cow to make sure that the brand on him is aged enough that, that you have legitimate title because people still kill, steal cattle. But as this breaks down, you know, we’re going to have to have ways of dealing with this. And, you know, like the petty crime that’s going to fall to the wayside, these are going to become all capital crimes here.

If people are starving to death if people lose their mind, you know, after about a week of not having a meal, people get pretty savage about, if you’ve got food, they’re gonna do everything they can do to take it, because if you, you’re not gonna give it to them, they’re gonna try to take it from you. You’re gonna have to fight for your life on these type of things. This is a future that is so gory and so ugly that I don’t like thinking about it. But it’s something that we have to be prepared for in the event that it does happen.

We don’t want it to happen, but we have to at least have a contingency plan as to how to survive it. I agree. And, you know, and for the record, I don’t think that it’s, I don’t think that it’s going to get that bad. I just don’t. But, you know, if you’re not prepared for that bad, you know, in california, I always tell people, it’s like, look, you, we need to be prepared for an earthquake that’s like a 10.0. What happens if we have a 10.0 in southern california? I mean, the infrastructure that’s here now is already crumbling.

You inject the 10.0 now, you’ve got freeways that don’t work, rail lines that don’t work. You’ve got, you know, you can’t, there’s no gas, there’s no food coming in. What are you going to do? And you think that’s, that’s not something that’s going to get fixed immediately. That’s going to take months to fix. I mean, I remember in 1995, I think, when the north, the northbridge creek, there was a stretch of I ten just in west la that the overpass over one of the streets collapsed and they had to tear that whole thing. I know right where that is.

I’ve driven on that. It took them one month working 24 hours a day with resources to fix that. Well, what happens if there’s 100 of them out? You, you, you’re not going to get things in a rapid fit. It’s not going to get fixed overnight. You know, that is a definitely a situation where, you know, we could see, we could see six to eight to ten months of a year of chaos. Well, it becomes like the walking dead. You know, you’ve got this army of people coming at you that all they do is eat. You know, they eat anything in sight, anything that moves that, that, that’s what you’re going to have.

People who you know, just have nothing. So again, so I want to bring it back because what would you do in that situation? I mean, how would you organize people? What would you, what would be your, what would be. I try to organize my, my friends and neighbors around me and try to set up so that you, you’ve got someone on 24 hours guard and then you link up with the next neighborhood over and you try to link up with them and so that they have the guard, you share it and you try to expand your network until you have a relatively safe area.

That is, if anyone intrudes into it, you’ve got people to respond to that intrusion. And that would be the first order of business is giving yourself a safe base, you know, a base of operations from which to operate out of and then to expand from there. That is the first and foremost thing that you have to do to make sure that some people just passing through don’t kill everyone in sight. So I would organize my neighborhood first, then the next neighborhood to the left, the next neighborhood to the right, one to the north, one of the south.

And then you, you have communications between you so that if there is a, an incursion into your, into your area that you can respond accordingly. Correct. I agree with that. So, and so all the things that you’re saying is exactly kind of my thought process. You know, I, when I think of situations like that, I genuinely tend to think of things on my, in, where I am, what I would do is very similar. I would, I would organize, I would organize blocks within, you know, so that you can, you can have command and control down to a, down to a smaller level.

But I can, you have multiple blocks to come together and then you have an hierarchy within that. You have radio communications. You make sure that everybody has weapons. And then what you can do is then if you, if you have those smaller sections in place within, what you could do is you can create a stronger perimeter, keeping the inside a little bit more secure from roving bands, if you will. And you know, where I am, it’s very, I’m very close to an artery, a main freeway. Well, to me, my first thought is you got to block the freeways off.

You can’t. Five there, ten and you, so you can’t, you have to block the, you’d have to block the exits off the freeway so that people couldn’t get off. You know, that would be the, that would be the safest way. But I mean, it’s going to be impossible to do that, you know, from people parking their car and walking. When they can do that, there’s nothing, you can’t stop that. But you can at least stop the vehicle aspect. But that’s considered, but that’s contingent upon people actually having fuel because you get two, three days into this situation and there’s not going to be any fuel.

Let’s talk about communication because you’re counting on radio communications and if the power grids down, there’s no way to recharge them or you run out of batteries, your radio is done. So now you’re back to relying on messengers. And you know, you know what the best messengers in the world are? Is like eight or ten year olds on bicycles. They’re really good at it and they can go places you and I wouldn’t dream of going and then get there fast. But you know, kids on bikes are a good, a good messenger for, for that type of situation because you, you never know.

You, you may think that the main attack is coming from the north, but really, really they’re, they’re flanking you and coming, the main body is coming in from the east. Someone has to be there to respond to that. So that’s you, you have to have communications, you have to have comms within your community. Yeah, that’s, radio communications are probably next to air and water. Radio communications are probably one of the most important things to have because if you don’t have Ray, I mean it’s important to be defended as well. But you, if you have radio communications then you have the ability to be informed of things that are going on around you that you otherwise would not be aware of.

Well that’s the thing, Ron. I mean, like I said, radio, the batteries are going to wear if you’re grid down situation, you know, the battery is going to last what, four or five days? Maybe, maybe not. So what do you do next? I mean, four flags. Do you remember that from Boy Scouts? No. I mean, okay, so for me, I’ve got, and I’ve got multiple ways to charge a device with, you know, using solar panels, whether they be small solar panels, larger solar panels. I mean I’ve got multiple ways to do that to where I can keep a radio charged.

And you know, you keep those things going all the time. You can maintain that. But to your point, if that all fails and you have no radios or whatever, then, then what you do at that point, you know, you talk about flags like they did in that. You look at the, you know, semaphore. Yeah, I mean look it up. It’s, it’s a, it’s something that I learned in Boy Scouts is how to communicate using semaphore. You can communicate over a distance like that. You can also do the, you know, mirrors in the sunlight during daytime. There’s, you know, signal fires at night.

And like I said, you know, kids on bikes are really good messengers. They’re really good at it. So there’s just, there’s workarounds on all this stuff. But, you know, I guess the best advice I can give to people is prepare to be living like a 1700 style lifestyle where, you know, you know, the energy you have is the fire in the hearth, you’ve got to cook your food there, you’ve got to, you know, do things along those lines. And you know, that that’s how this country was founded in the 17 hundreds. That may be the lifestyle type we’re going back to if this gets bad enough, because if the banks are going to collapse, it’s just a matter of when and when they do.

This whole society we live in is built on credit. And without credit, nothing happens. You know, the farmer in the field does not ship his crops unless he’s got a letter of credit or some banking instrument that says he’s going to get paid. You know, the gas station, you, you know, doesn’t, you know, they got to pay for the, for the fuel that comes in, that you pump into your car. How do you pay for your car if federal reserve notes are now worthless? What do people do? How do they do it? But we’re really off the top of the crime and punishment.

But this is, this is all good doomsday planning. Well, I guess my thought was, you know, from the punishment aspect where I was going with my question, Washington, how do you, as a, if you had dictatorial powers, you know, how would you punish people that violated crimes that with, without a police structure or without a criminal justice system, how are you going to impose punishment onto people? I mean, how does that, how does that get done? What does that look like? Well, you know, what’s the crime there? There’s two ways to approach this. One of them is, is that, you know, all the interlopers, you just kill them all.

That’s, that’s one thing you can do. The other thing is, is, you know, if you want to join us and join our army and help defend our community, you’re going to be at the bottom of the barrel. But we can keep you alive and we have enough food to give you 1200 calories a day, you know, keep you moving, you know, but you, you’re going to be on the front line and you’re going to be fighting other guys who come in and try to take our community be out. That’s, that’s an old technique of you know, you, you incorporate the defeated army into your army to make your army bigger and stronger.

I’d go along with that. For me personally, if I was in charge and I had the ability to do it, I would probably be, depending on the situation, I would be very strict with punishment, um, until I could afford to be lenient. Um, you know, and I don’t know when, when you can have the uh. When I don’t know. I don’t know what, what point you can afford to be lenient. I just don’t know. Well one of the biggest crimes you’re going to have to defend against under that type of situation is uh, someone within your own camp.

Um, and you’re, everybody’s on 1500 calories a day. They took 3000 calories that day. They took a double portion. They just took the meal out of somebody else’s mouth. That, that’s going to be one of the, the crimes you’re going to have to defend against and you’re going to, you know, that, that’s, that, that’s a tough one. I mean that’s akin to, that’s, that’s like, that’s like desertion and, and a war, you know. You know, I mean if you’re doing, if it has, you’ve got, that’s basically policing your own within your own and that’s going to happen as well.

And hundred percent. And there’s nothing wrong with the flogging on that. And okay, now you’re on half rations for a week because you, you took someone else’s meal and you get you know, 1010 strokes of the flogging whip, whatever that is. So yeah man, we’re talking about stuff that’s really dark and I, and I get that it’s dark but you know, I mean these discussions I think have to take place. They need to transpire because if they don’t, you know, I mean if we, if we operate from a state of fear of what’s coming, fear of the unknown, we need to have rational discussions about doing so, dealing with things like this because they, I see so many people out there that talk about this stuff but they don’t talk about any solutions except oh, we’ll just make sure that you’re prepared.

Well what does that mean? You know, I mean how do you have some active items that you can or even some philosophical, you know, concepts of how you would deal with situation. You know, no plan ever survives first contact, I think. What was that? Who’s the boxer that said, you ever, you think you know what you’re going to do until you get hit in the face or something like that? Tyson. Tyson, thank you. Tyson said that? Yeah. And I think it was McNamara who said that no plan wasn’t. I forget, but said that, you know, you have that the best battle plan in the world, but once you make first contacts, it’s out the window.

It’s absolutely out the window. And so you, like I said, you have to have a series of possibilities that you have considered to know what to do given the situation you’re in. Right? That’s, you’ve got to have choices. You mean, I’ve been a karate guy since forever. I’ve been training 50 plus years. And the thing that you do is whenever you get into, like, a real fight on the street, you don’t plan what you’re going to do. You respond to what’s there and you rely on your training that whatever the guy presents to you, you already know how to deal with.

He will create openings for you. You have to take advantage of the openings that are created. It, you know, it’s not going to do, I’m going to do a, then b, then c, then D. That’s not how it works. It’s that you’re, you’re well enough, you’re comfortable enough with yourself and your skills and your abilities that you look for the openings and you take them, take what he gives you, because any guy who’s going to try to fight you will give you openings. Same thing in a battle plan. I mean, you know, everybody. You’ll go out and buy the, the infantry training, training manual and read four man firing teams and learn how to, how to put those together, what they do, what their function is, how do you arrange them to be effective? These are all things that people need to know.

You know, given if it gets as bad as I fear, it could, not say it will, but it could. We’re in deep shit, you know? I mean, we, we, let’s say we got 55 million illegal aliens in this country right now. Let’s hypothetically say that. And all the, if they all go nuts at the same time, what are we going to do with them? How are we going to fight them? How are we going to defend our property or take care of our friends, our family, our kids? You have your cat there, your pet. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? With the Haitians.

Go barbecue. You know, I mean, come on. I don’t think that would happen. I think we, I think I’d have some barbecued Haitians first. Yeah, I’m not saying I would eat the barbecued Haitians, but I think the barbie that the. If, if anybody, if anybody tried to barbecue my cat as an, as a meal, then firstly, first rod, first you gotta catch them and they’re not, they’re gonna be covert about it. They’re gonna be sneaky cat trap out there and cat. Right. And then, then the next thing I smell, they’re barbecuing over. What do they got? Yeah, maybe we should do a follow up show where we talk about like, preparations and things that people can do to, you know, just some, some mindsets and thoughts to have.

But. Yeah, I don’t even want to think about that. That’s, that’s rather dark. Well, okay, I got you. Well, Ron, it’s been an interesting conversation. I appreciate the invitation. Listen, I. But the bottom line is, folks, is it could all crash overnight. Just overnight. Be lawless in the street. It may take six months, it may take the three years to get there. But as things get worse and worse, if it’s a slow progression, more and more of the burden of, of crime and punishment, how we enforce our laws is going to come on us, the people.

If we want to keep our 1314 year old daughters safe from, and our son’s safe too, from these pedophiles and these people who do bad things to kids and bad things to women and bad things to other people, we’re going to have to figure out what we’re going to do, how we’re going to do it. And I’m asking you to think outside the box and get medieval on these folks. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with the stocks, there’s nothing wrong with the public, uh, you know, caning or flogging. You know, these things are humiliating, but they can be overcome.

If it’s capital crime, it’s a capital offense, and then they pay with their life. Whatever, whatever form that takes, whether it’s a bullet in the head, a hangman’s noose, or, or the, the hedgeman’s axe, you know, something has to fall. I mean, it’s, uh, it’s really up to the jurisdiction as to what they want to do. But the. I’m not advocating for any of these things. I just want people to think about it and be prepared if they have to deal with it in their own real life. I agree. And somebody in the chat said, we shouldn’t ponder on it, or, I never, never ponder on it, should I? And I say, well, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t want to say that we shouldn’t ponder it.

But there’s a difference between pondering it and letting it live rent free in your head where you’re constantly worrying. Or if you are pondering it from the standpoint of a solution, a problem resolving solution. If you’re thinking about it from that perspective, that’s different than just worrying about it. Well, you want your jurisdiction, wherever it is, whether it’s town or a section of town. If you live in a bigger city or a county or something, you want people who have survived going, who gone there to do bad things and survive to say, no, don’t mess with those guys.

They’re serious. They’ll fuck you up. You want to have that reputation that the law is enforced. And it’s not the law where you’ve got miranda rights. It’s a law. If they catch you, they punish you and you, you, there’s a reason that they used to take people’s heads and put them on pikes at the entry to the jurisdiction, to the kingdom, if you will, because they want people to know that if you screw up here, you’re lose your head. You know, you’re, you’re going to lose it. You know, come in here, obey our laws, you’ll be fine.

If you come in here to wreak havoc and, you know, cause mayhem, you’re gonna pay a price for it. That, that’s really is the message you want to give to the outside world, that you’re not a soft target. They, they can’t come in here and raid, steal your food, rape your women, and walk away and have a great time, come back again and do it. Two weeks. You don’t want that, that reputation. You want the reputation. Boy, we went and went in there. We lost eight out of our yemenite, ten guys, and they got their heads out.

When you drive, when you go into town now you, you go past those heads on the pikes. Those are our buddies. They got our guy. We’re lucky to get out alive. That’s very well said. That’s very well said. You, you know, when you have hard times, you want to be viewed on as you be thought of as hard. So the harder you are, the, the, the further away people are going to stay from you, especially people with mal intent. So, you know, you have to, as they say, when the going gets tough, the tough. Get going.

And that is kind of where we’re headed. What you want is you want to create an image of hardness and you want other people coming to your jurisdiction to seek shelter as long as they can make a contribution to the greater good of the people within your jurisdiction. Now you have guys coming in. He’s got skills. If he’s a blacksmith, if he’s a, he’s a doctor, he’s a dentist, he’s got skills. You want that guy in, if the guy is a welder, an electrician, you want people who have skills who can improve your community. You don’t want the people who are coming in to rape and pillage and steal.

You want them out. Yep. So you’ve got to create. It’s probably the most primitive form of marketing there is. I mean, the good guys are welcome, the bad guys better stay away. I can’t improve upon that. You’re 100% right again, guys. For those of you who kind of came in late, Mike Harris is the gentleman who is kind of really responsible, at least. And as he believes that he was the one that put the term kazarian mafia into the modern day vernacular of the truth seeking community. So, and if you have, if you’re curious about that, I have a link to the article.

It’s in the comment section or it’s in the description section of the video here on rumble. So definitely check that out. If you have never read that article, I can’t encourage you to in stronger terms to read it. So give my gratitude to Mister Harris. He’s become a really good friend over the last several years and we have a, he has, he’s broadened my horizons on a multitude of just topics. So thank you for everything, Mike. Rob, thanks for having me on and thanks to the listeners. And the one thing I do, I’m nothing viewing the chat here, but one thing I do is I always read the comments of any show that I’ve been on.

So I always enjoy reading the comments. And hopefully I take criticism well. I’m not too thin skinned. Yes. Yeah, no, Mike is. He definitely will participate in the chat or in the comments after the show. So if you, if you want to say something to him, definitely you put it down below. So anyway, thank you, Mike, for your time this, on this Sunday as we’re approaching crazy time for the platform and the opportunity. I mean, one thing I got to tell you, be able to talk to people who I’ve never met. You’re just talking to you, Ron, you and I are comfortable together, but it truly is an honor and a privilege to be able to communicate these ideas and hopefully contribute something to someone out there that’s going to help them in some way.

Agreed. I mean, that, that really is what it’s all about is how do you help your fellow man? I mean, I don’t want to go out and, you know, hang a bunch of bad guys, but I want people to be prepared to deal with bad guys if they’re, you know, savaging their communities and, you know, hurting their people. So it’s something we all have to consider and have to deal with because we’re doing now does not work. I mean, like I said, how many more illegals have to be deported eleven times to come back and kill and rape some 13 year old girl? That’s, we’ve had enough of that.

It’s time to end that. I agree. I wholeheartedly agree. And I don’t, I don’t think that, I think we’re approaching a time when a lot of that stuff is going to come to an end. But will it ever really, truly come to an end? I don’t know. You know, I, every, every generation has their own crap that they need to deal with. Some dealing with it better than others, so. But I agree with you that, you know, this, I’m just a small channel on rumble, but I love to talk about these things that you like to talk about as well, because again, it’s just, it’s my way of giving back to whatever I can to helping humanity as best I can.

So I appreciate you and your knowledge and your wisdom, and I thank you for your time today. Thank you, sir. My pleasure. All right, we’ll see you guys tomorrow. We’ll be back tomorrow doing something fun. So everybody enjoy the remainder of your weekend. We’ll chat soon. Take care, everybody. Bye.
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