3 Chance… She Lived!

➡ Lisa Schermerhorn, host of the Grassroots Warrior Network, shares the story of her friend Cindy Loomis Healy’s daughter who contracted COVID-19. Cindy’s daughter, a new mother, was unvaccinated and became seriously ill, requiring hospitalization and intensive treatment. Cindy, an intuitive healer and reiki master, along with her family and friends, used energy healing techniques to support her daughter’s recovery. Despite the severity of her condition, Cindy’s daughter survived, highlighting the power of family support and alternative healing methods.
➡ A mother shares her emotional journey of caring for her daughter, Kimberly, who was critically ill due to COVID-19. Despite doctors giving Kimberly a 2% chance of survival, her mother remained hopeful, drawing strength from her daughter’s fighting spirit. She also used her spiritual beliefs to help her through this difficult time, imagining healing energy being channeled into her daughter. After a long period in a coma, Kimberly miraculously woke up, leaving doctors baffled, and began her recovery journey.
➡ Kimberly, after waking up from a coma, had vivid memories of being on the other side, where she felt light and free. Despite her health issues, including losing a finger and having to relearn how to walk, she fought hard to recover. She was grateful to be back with her family, even though she had enjoyed her time on the other side. Her journey shows the power of resilience and the impact of spiritual experiences on recovery.
➡ The text is about a woman’s journey of self-discovery and spiritual awakening. She learns to trust her abilities to connect with spirits and guides, which she initially doubted. She also shares her experiences of teaching her grandchildren about these spiritual gifts, helping them understand and use their own abilities. She emphasizes the importance of nurturing these gifts in children, rather than suppressing them.
➡ The text discusses the concept of energy and its connection to spirituality, intuition, and healing. The speaker shares personal experiences with these concepts, including practicing energy exercises with her mother and teaching her grandchildren about them. She also talks about societal changes in acceptance of these ideas, recalling a time when her practices were seen as taboo. Lastly, she mentions exploring her Akashic records, a spiritual belief about a compendium of all human events, thoughts, words, emotions, and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future.
➡ The speaker shares a profound spiritual journey, where she connects with her deceased mother and sister during a meditation. She realizes they were not just family, but soul sisters, helping her overcome life’s challenges. She also discusses the concept of soul families, where individuals agree to hurt each other in order to grow. The speaker emphasizes the power of forgiveness and the importance of healing, not just individually, but also ancestrally, to break cycles of pain and trauma.
➡ The new generation is growing up with a better understanding of themselves, thanks to the hard work and experiences of the older generation. This has broken the cycle of trauma and struggle, allowing the younger generation to gain wisdom without the pain. The speaker, now living a drama-free life, is able to help others navigate their own challenges. They also mention offering distance healing and journeying work for those interested.

Hi, Lisa Schermerhorn here on the Grassroots Warrior Network, and you’re on my show Where Truth Lies. And I had a really awesome surprise. Was it two weeks ago, I was visiting my daughter and helping out with my granddaughter, and I had some free time, and I went to this event, and I’m walking through the aisles, and right in front of me almost bumped into her is a friend of mine who I hadn’t seen in, what, 15 years. And we sat and we caught up, and the way she talked about what she’s doing and everything that she’s been through, I just thought she has some stories that my audience really needed to hear.

And this is Cindy Loomis Healy. And just to give you a little bit of background, she’s an intuitive healer, reiki master, a medium. She also does a lot of other communication and spirit on earth that began as a child. She was eight years old and thought nothing of sitting across from a deceased great aunt. She could always talk to dead people. I talked to dead people. We studied together, did some amazing work. And she even. She was a former florist and helped with a big event from my daughter. Way back. Way back, yeah. So welcome, Cindy.

How are you? Fabulous. It’s amazing how life just changes and morphs and, you know, here we are, 15, 20 years later. I know, I know. So we sat and talked, and you. You told me an initial story about your daughter that blew me away, because for those of you, no one here really know you. You have this beautiful, calm, grounded way about you, but it’s also, no nonsense. You have this really amazing way. And I’d love for you to share your experience of what happened with your daughter, because it’s quite a miraculous story of how your daughter really ended up with COVID in the hospital.

So thank you for sharing this. The story, something that a lot of people don’t talk about. The COVID stuff, is it real? Conspiracy theories, whatever. My daughter was not vaccinated. She had just had a baby and was breastfeeding, and that was beginning stages. Do you vaccinate? Do you not? She was breastfeeding, that kind of stuff. So I don’t know if you guys can see this. This is the night that she actually got Covid. She had not been anywhere. She was, you know, had a preemie baby. Things were little tiny nugget. And she was actually the first person that I tested positive.

I worked in healthcare at the time, and I brought her the test she, you know, left on the porch. She tested herself virtually over the phone and she just hit the floor and she said mom, I’m positive. And that was on my granddaughter’s first birthday. Within three days she called me about 10 o’ clock at night and said mom, I need you to take the baby. She said I am afraid if I go to sleep I won’t wake up. So that was within three days. I said, pack your toothbrush. Ivy phone charger called 91 1. She went to the hospital.

She went from the ER up to within a day or so. They couldn’t stabilize her. We went and got the baby. My son in law, we checked on him, 105 fever, sent him to the hospital. So now we have this preemie, one year old who is also COVID positive sleeping on my chest. They sent my daughter up to be intubated and through a virtual text, a text message between my son in law and my daughter on both their healthcare proxies they gave me custody, the baby, the house, the everything. And I had to make all that they all the decisions.

I’m one of those people that I’m a, in the middle of an emergency, I am grounded, I am calm, I will lose my shit later. But I just make rational decisions in the moment. I don’t know where it comes from. So you know, I’m calling both nurses stations, medicate him. This is what’s going on. Within a day or two I got a phone call that with every medical decision they made for her they had to call and get permission from me. They’re trying to put air in her lungs. Every time they put air in her lungs they would crackle because they were deflated and crackled so they would inflate them.

All the air would come through the cracks and into the lung lining. So they would have to tube her lung lining and her muscle lining and let all the air out and redeflate her lungs. So now she’s intubated, I get a phone call, there’s nothing more they can do. That’s what the doctor led with that three seconds felt like an hour and I had to take a breath. They were med flighting her into Boston. There was one ECMO machine left in Boston and they saved it for her. They ground med flighted her because it was too foggy and it was too dangerous to fly her at an elevation.

So I called all my kids and my, some of my best friends who were nurses. We all sat around the table, we prayed, we stayed on the phone with the doctors. They ground med flighted her into Boston. If any of you don’t Know what ECMO is? It is like a dialysis and it’s about a garden size tube that goes into your main artery, your carotid artery, and it pumps all your blood out of your body into a filtration system, reoxygenates it and then comes in back in three ephemeral artery. So this is my beautiful daughter. And.

We talk to her constantly. That’s me on video. Now they wouldn’t. That’s when she was still awake. They wouldn’t let us in to see her because she was COVID positive but so was her husband. So I don’t know why they wouldn’t let each other see each other. And that was. I had the baby, so they were both in the hospital. So we would sit and talk with the baby. And if any of you don’t know, we didn’t know how bad Covid was, What it was their entire house. We could not enter their house because of COVID So it was just abandoned at that point.

And it’s an 1800s huge house in Whitman Center. So we had to hire a company to come in and fumigate every draw, every piece of clothing, every everything. So my granddaughter living at my house, I had a tiny house back then. Getting into everything, learning how to walk. Doesn’t she get into my tarot deck? She’s a Leo, my little lioness. Doesn’t she hand me this? I’m like, okay, there’s my girl. So there’s my daughter. This is what they call laying prone. Prone is when they lay you on your stomach to take the pressure off of your lungs.

I immediately tap into all my people and it went around the world. Reiki energy. Some of Kim’s friends out in California that do energy work. My son in law, who used to think I was a white witch, now completely believes that it’s a gift. Now he, he comes home from the hospital, he moves into the tiny house with us. Mom, teach me how do I find Kim? So I teach him imaging. We’re going to put our virtually in our minds. We’re going to put our hands over her heart. Is it strong? Is it pumping? Is it healthy? Now let’s put our hand on her lungs.

Is it breathing? Are they crackled? Let’s clear all the gray out of them. Let’s go down. Her body is, is her veins moving? Is the blood moving? Let’s go down to her feet. So we did this on a nightly basis. That was her husband and I at my house. That’s my daughter, that’s at Beth Israel. In Boston. Now what I didn’t know was Beth is. So this is the whole family. We used to have family conversations. My son Key, My son Colton, Kimberly’s father, me, Kimberly. And we would just talk to her for hours. And this is down Scituate Harbor.

You would find rocks all over Massachusetts, Florida. I was getting messages from Europe, from Canada, So we were doing imaging. So when we were able to go in and see her, I said to the nurses and the doctors, do you guys believe in energy medicine? And they said we do Reiki. So twice a day they had people that came in and did hands on healing, which is amazing. Not a lot of hospitals do that. That there was some. There was some bad days that. So there’s my granddaughter and that was Kimberly. I never spoke to her as if she was sick.

I spoke to her as if she could hear me. Oh girl, would you hear what Stella did today? I would tell her what the weather was like. So what some people don’t know is lack of oxygen in the body. Your extremities start to turn black and fall off due to lack of oxygen. So I started to track her fingers and her toes. So this is like her husband holding her hands because you never know if that’s going to be the last. The last photo we have. We decorated her room, we. So that the nurses knew who they were caring for.

That’s her and her husband. And you learn the machines, you learn the machines, every sound of them, every level of them. So the energy work that there was some bad days. So my daughter is also a hairdresser like I am. And I would go in and on Tuesdays and Saturdays was my day and I would brush her hair, try to get the blood that was just seeps in her hair. And my daughter’s known for her bun. And it’s because you’re a hairdresser, everybody tells you everything. So it’s known as her bun of secrets. We had. My daughter also loves watermelons, so we had all her own Johnny’s made.

And I would go in and do her bun of cigarettes at least twice a week. And this is the infection that goes under the skin from COVID And this is the beginning of the fingers. I track. There was fundraisers and so you. You track this stuff. This is the amazing women that did Raiki for her. And it’s not something that we talked a lot about or what they did. I just trusted the process. Yeah. There’s her toes. Her toes and then there’s the heel. Wow. So this is my son Keith. So they are Kimberly and Keith, March 7 and March 8.

They’re my Pisces babies. I call them my Beta babies. And they have. So this was an amazing photo that somebody sent me. Oh. So kind of that. That. That’s a little prophetic. Yeah. Oh, my God. I can’t even imagine fingers like that. So at this point, was she lucid or did they put her in a coma? So she was in a coma. And usually they put you in a coma with fentanyl. They keep you in a. Because she was bleeding from her nose, her throat. And I said, that’s okay, baby girl. We got you. We got you.

You’re fine. You’re going to keep your feet earthside. So there was a day that the doctors met with us and they said, I called. I did a virtual. I was in there, and I called in all of her siblings, and they had a palliative care conversation with us, and they said, you know, she has a 2% chance of living. We don’t know if there’s brain damage, if there’s organ damage. Anytime they tried to pull her out, she just tanked. And I said, oh. So I said, it’s. Let me tell you a little, little bit about my daughter.

I said, she was a black belt by the time she was 11 years old. Wow. This. This girl got. She got grit. I said, whatever her journey is supposed to look like is between her and her higher spirit. That’s between. That. Whatever their contract is, is between them, between her and her eyes spirit. It has nothing to do with me. She was given to me for me to teach her and be here for her for whatever reason. I said, so that is not my business, and that is not your business. Your job is her doctor, and it’s to do.

To save her life and to do the best medical professional job that you can do. So palliative care is not an option. So you do your job to the highest ability that you can do your job. Whatever her contract is is her business, and it’s not your business. They probably didn’t know what to do with you. I don’t know where those words came from. That’s incredible. So there was a day that I was home, and I get a phone call from my best friend who’s an ER nurse and very Irish Catholic. And she was sobbing. And she said, kimberly came to me in a dream.

And my girlfriend’s name is Mama Liz. We raised our kids together. I’m the cool mom. Mom is thin. And she said, kimberly came to me and put her Head on my chest. And she said, mama, Liz, will you be mad if I don’t come back? She said, I’m just too tired. This is too much work. Will you be mad? Within a half an hour, I get a text message from California Cindy. I’m trying to meditate on. Kimberly’s one of Kimberly’s best friends and I can’t find her. My son in law comes out of my back bedroom sobbing, mom, I’m trying to do what you told me to do.

I’m trying to take a walk on the beach with Kimberly in my mind. And I’m trying to go to the house and cook dinner with her. And I can’t find her. She’s not in the kitchen. She’s not at the beach. I can’t find Kimberly. And he said, you’re the only one she’ll listen to. He said, go find her. I went out in my backyard and I kicked my shoes off and I stood in my backyard. And you know, part of this training nobody trained me on, on this kind of stuff. It you just know what you know.

And I imaged Kimberly on a bed, on a. On a gurney in my backyard. And I called in spirit. And all of a sudden there was Mother Mary, Mother Teresa, Jesus, God, Ariel, Michael. And an Indian chief shows up. And a medicine woman shows up. They lay hands on her body. I go up to heaven and I stand on a cloud and I look around and I see Kimberly hanging out with some of her friends that have passed on on the other side. And I said, kimberly, you get your ass over here right now, Missy. And she said, I never yell at Kimberly.

And she says, mama, I’m just too tired. She said, you can raise baby. You’ll be fine. You’re a good mom. And I said, oh, no, no, no, Missy, this is not my life. This is your life. And I’m not doing this. You think you’re tired? I’m tired. I said, on three, we’re going back down. Fine. She lays her head on my chest, she wraps her arms around my waist. We jump off the cloud, we go back into intensive care and I lay her soul back in her body. I take all the energy from the white light from heaven and I filter it into her body and I cut the cord.

I take all the white light and I put it through her head, her heart, her arms, her lungs. I puff her lungs up, I turn them white, all the way through her legs, and I put her into the center, the energy into the mother earth. You clear out a big a room in the center of Mother Earth. And I wrote her name on the wall. You create a fireplace. I lit the fireplace. I put candles, I put a fur rug on the floor. I said, this is your room and you are keeping your feet earthside. You are now connected to Mother Earth and there’s no more Astro traveling.

Enough. You’re home. And two days later, she woke up in the doctors said, we, we have no idea how she woke up. We have no idea why she’s alive. They turned down the ECMO machines and she was breathing. They then transitioned her to what’s considered a step down unit. Coming off of Fentanyl, you get really wacky in the head. And how long was she in the coma for? She was put in a coma in August and now this is late October. Yeah, that’s a long time to be on fentanyl. Yeah, it’s a long time to be on ecmo.

It’s a long time to be in a, in a coma. So you’re cuckoo. You’re hallucinating. Your. I have a family member that is in recovery and they know the fentanyl level, the methadone level, the suboxone level. And if you ever wonder why you went through your path of addiction and recovery, let me tell you, that person was the only other person that came in and saw her that she emotionally would allow in there. Because if anybody else came in, it was me, her husband, and then this family member, anybody else, she would go rogue. She would thrash in the bed, she would rip her clothes off.

She would. And this person, and she looked at the dog, he, this family member looked at the doctors and said, you do this with fentanyl, you do this with Suboxone, you do this. And he stepped her down from his journey that he had been through in addiction. So if you, you ever wonder why you go through this in your life, it could have just been for this knowledge. Wow. So I’m sitting in there one day and she’s still. And she’s trached at this point. She doesn’t know. She can’t talk. But Kimberly’s funny. She’s. She’s really funny.

And I said, hi, baby girl, it’s me, mama. And she goes, now I was living. I had sold my house. I put everything in a 10 by 10 storage. I had moved into her house. I had married my now husband saying, okay, we’re gonna have custody of this baby. We need to give her a foundation, we need to get married. I didn’t know if my son in law was gonna die. If Kimberly was gonna die. Like, let’s. Let’s set up for this. And now I’m living at Kimberly’s house, and Kimberly and I are the same size, and I’m wearing one of Kimberly’s sweaters.

And Sassy Kimberly, in and out of it goes. She goes, nice shirt, Mom. Those were her first words to me. That’s so funny. That’s so funny. So some of this stuff that she remembers that we’ve talked about is when she was waking up from her coma, she could see the light above her in the ceiling, and she thought she was in the hospital. She could see my mother through that. Now, my mother was still here, but my mother had dementia. So when you. I’m also a dementia educator. So when you have dementia end stage, you’re half there and half here.

So my mother was up there with her, rubbing her back. You’re okay, baby girl. Now, Kimberly was raised in a multi dimensional house. We all. I lived in a home with my mom, so she helped raise my kids. So she was. It’s okay. And my mother is holistic. Where she got it from, I don’t know. But she nurtured my. Wow. My gifts along the way too. So Kimberly thought she. When her husband came in to see her for the first time, she looked at him and she goes, where are the babies? She said she thought she had had a set of twins and that’s why she was in hospital.

So. And her husband looks at her and he said, do you know who I am? And she goes like this. And he turns around and he starts sobbing. He’s thinking, oh, my God, she’s got, like, she has brain damage. Kimberly is holding her drink and going, So Right funny. You’re funny, girl. We’re like, okay, she’s back. I said, kimberly, mommy’s living at your house now. I said, we’re having a storm. We were having a hurricane. I said, where candles? She points upstairs in the cabinet. She knew exactly where her cranberry candles were. Wow. Three days out of a coma.

Crazy why she has since. So the finger. They could not amputate her finger on. On me or her husband’s. Okay. They had to because her body was still alive. They had to wait for her to give permission for that. So she’s still coming out of fentanyl and coming up out of the coma, and they’re asking her permission to amputate her finger. Now they’d put a speaking valve in so she could touch it and speak. And they asked permission. And she said, you’re not Putting me to sleep. Last time you did that, I didn’t wake up for three and a half hours.

Months. So this girl was awake. They put a sheet up and they imputated her finger while she was awake. And the doctor said, never has he ever done that to somebody. So she’s strong. Wow. She has her own story to tell. She. Whatever platform she chooses to tell it. But her stories of being on the other side, hanging out with her friends and what she could see, whether she could see Stella and I or. But her journey coming back has been. She did. We worked very hard through. I did a lot of Reiki, I got to tell you.

Coconut oil. We would wash her body down and coconut. Pure coconut oil on her body. And that’s what saved her skin, saved her foot. She does. So she didn’t. So her toes are fine like they were. She lost a half of one of the toes. Okay. But she’s a hairdresser, so losing your middle finger, what has. That’s hard. Yeah. Yeah. She has a lot of comorbidities. She has a lot of. There’s. There’s a lot of health problems, but, yeah, her lungs still aren’t 100%. No. It’s a. And her voice changed a lot. And the scarring. So when she came home, she slept.

My bed was in her dining room. At this point, she slept in bed with me because she couldn’t do stairs. She couldn’t. She had to. She went to rehab. She couldn’t walk. She lost all of her hair shaved up her head because it was just coming out in clumps. Wow. And she said, mom, I feel something in my neck. And I pulled 17 stitches that were under the. Under the skin layer of her skin that were just hidden. She said, mom, why did they. Because she has scars all down her sides from where they would tube her.

She said, mom, why did they do such a botched job on all this? I said, oh, honey, because they didn’t think you were going to live. They were just keeping your body alive. They were just doing what they had to do. It wasn’t supposed to be pretty. So she remembers being on the other side. She has vivid memories. She. She does. She has vivid, vivid memories of being on the other side, hanging out with her friends up there. And it’s light, it’s airy, it’s easy. There’s no heavy emotion. There’s no heaviness. You know, I could check in with her, and she’s like, poo, poo and me.

Because things are easier up there. It’s a lot lighter up there. And she remembers hanging out with friends over there. And, you know, she was 32 years old at the time, and this is only a couple of years ago, but at 32, you should not know that many people on the other side. Yeah, you know, that’s true. So. So does she have. I mean, of course she loves her family and everything, but was she. Was she happy that you made her come back, or was she like, why did you make me come back when she was back in her body? No, she was like, she will still look at me across the room today when her kids are playing and she’ll have tears.

Makes me cry. Yeah, she’d say, thanks for coming together. Beautiful. Yeah. Because I’ve heard stories of people on the other side that were, like, frustrated that they came back because there was so much pain when they came back, like, their bodies, and they knew that they were gonna suffer a lot. So I was just curious at her. Her mental state around that and emotional state. Yeah. No, she came right back and just fought. Fought to walk, fought to. To crawl on the floor. When she was in rehab, she said, get me on the floor and teach me how to get back up.

I have a one and a half year old at home. Yeah. Teach me how to play on the floor and how to get back up. Wow. She. She had quite the journey. Yeah. Now, you also. Thank you so much for sharing that, because it really talks about the power of number one pr. I remember, for people who might know Carolyn Mace, I saw her at an event, and she was telling the story that one of the people who had come to see her speak said that she was in a car. This woman was in a car accident, and she was hovering over the car in between.

And. And there were people she could hear, like, people being angry. Like, no one understood what was going on. They were just mad that there was traffic, and so she could hear the grumblings and everything. And three cars back, she heard this woman praying for her and just asking her to be okay. And because of that prayer, she came back into her body. Not only that, is she looked at the license plate of the car. So when she came back, she looked up the woman and said, thank you so much. You saved my life. From your prayers.

People don’t realize the power of prayer. Like with Kimberly. It’s. You know, it started off as a Reiki of connecting with your people. Right. You know, whether it be Rita Berkowitz, who is now four generations, one, two, four generations deep in my family. Right. So Just Rita Berkowitz is someone that I trained with. And you had also you we trained with, who was remarkable. She was a spirit. She’s a spirit artist. She’s still alive, but she’s really retired. She just. She does her art now. Her pastel. Yeah. And watercolor work is amazing. But I remember being in her class, and I actually did a private session with her, and she was like, she draws your guides or who.

Family members. And then people will bring in the photos afterwards, and they’ll be identical. So I was there, and I had done a meditation and saw my spirit guide. So I knew what he looked like. Six foot two, Native American, high cheekbones. I had. Other people had described him to me. And. And she said, you walk around with a crowd. She’s like, your family’s nosy. She’s like, were they nosy in real life? I said, oh, yeah. She said, yeah, they haven’t changed. Which one would you like me to draw? And she said, by the way, your spirit guides here.

I said, well, I know what they all look like. I’d love you to draw him. And Rita drew him, and it was identical to the way he was described in the way I had seen him. She’s a remarkable woman. I love her. I wish. I wish she still was in practice doing her work as she. You know, what’s funny is, like I said, she’s now four generations deep in my family. Yeah. I did both of her daughter’s weddings. She started out being friends with my mother. She was here when we transitioned my mother to the other side.

Wow. And my mother’s services. But now she’s gotten to know my kids, my grandchildren. Wow. And she is BFFs with my son, who owns a holistic store, a New Bedford. Wow. Right? Amazing. I’m like, you have Rita Berkowitz cell phone number. Do you know. Do you know, like, the importance of that? That’s like direct. Connect. Like you have a phone number to heaven. No reader is. Rita was remarkable. She really gave me the courage to believe in myself. Because when you. Like, for me, there’s the different Claire’s. There’s clairvoyant, where people see. There’s clairaudient, where you hear.

There’s a clairsentian, which is feeling, and clair cognizant, where, you know. And I’m very strong with knowing and feeling. But if you don’t believe in it in yourself, you start believing that you’re making stuff up. And in that class, she could see what I could see. And so she was Confirming everything that I was getting. And I was like, my mind was blown. And from that class on, I finally trusted the information that I was getting. That was, I did a class like that with her as well. And you always think like, is it. Am I just making this up? Is it real? And when she affirms, yes, she can see what you see.

Yes, I. She paired me up with a woman that I kept seeing. A two year old little girl. She’s standing on your feet. This is what she’s wearing. She looks just like you, curly brown hair, she’s holding your hands, she’s dancing with you. And Rita said to me, what is she calling her? She’s calling her mommy. And I said to the woman, this is what I see. She’s dancing on your feet. She’s got little Mary Janes on. She keeps calling you mommy. And the woman’s like, no, no, you’re off. No, you’re off. And then you start thinking, oh, I’m just making.

And Rita says to the woman, did you lose a baby? I said, Rita says to me, ask her how old she is. And she said, I’m three years old. Rita says to the woman, did you lose a baby three years ago? And I went, I can really talk to spirit. It’s amazing. Like, you know, we’re talking about my daughter’s journey and when I was in my backyard and getting ready to go up and get her. And I’ve always been told I had Indian spirit guides and stuff, but when they came in, when my Indian chief and my medicine woman came in and they just continually just saged her body and see, and I could like see smell the sage and the rosemary.

They used a lot of rosemary. And I got to tell you, they are here like all the time now. Like now that I can see them and connect with them, I’m like, I got out of bed in the morning, I’m like, okay, guys, where we go? When. When I first started doing this work and this work saved my life because I was suicidal, right? Not long before, right around when you and I had met, I was really struggling with a lot. And I’ll never forget when I had started working with that spirit guide, I could smell tobacco.

Not cigarettes, tobacco. Especially when I was in the car alone. I’d be driving and just the whole car would smell like tobacco. And then I’d have friends. I’m like, does my car smell like smoke? And they’re tobacco? And they’re like, no, I don’t smell anything. So yeah, they are always reaching out and communicating and you know, one of the things that I think you know and you do a beautiful job with it and I encourage you someday to actually teach people. I’d love for you to start doing that, working with children and teaching them and meditating and teaching them the whole thing where you talked about going up to the clouds and all of that.

I’d love for you to talk about that, what you do with children. Because my son had the ability to communicate, but I didn’t understand that when he was young because I wasn’t awake to all of this yet. And he was seeing things that were going to happen the next day and they would happen and it freaked him out. So I had taken him to a homeopathic doctor and the doctor said, do you want me to shut that off to him? And at the time he was like 11 years old. And he said, yes, do you want me to stop it? And he did.

And then I found out later, I say I wish I had had the wisdom and the knowledge to be able to redirect him and help him through it instead of shutting it off. And the abilities are always there and he’ll have them back if he doesn’t already anyway. He’s very intuitive anyway. But I’d love for you to talk about, you know, how to talk to children who are having these kinds of experiences and what you have done. So I have lots of grandchildren and I learned years ago I was a model for artists and I learned through mind travel, learn this on my own how to remote view.

So I have four grandchildren in Florida and I would image myself sitting on the floor playing with them and then I would text my daughter in Florida and say they have these blocks in front of them. This is what they’re wearing for pajamas. I could image myself sitting on the floor playing with them and that is what they had. So my grandchildren up here, I have a 10 year old grandson that is extremely gifted on the spectrum, which means he’s extra gifted in this, in, in these gifts that we have. He does drumming with me. We do sage together.

I have an image of him. We’re doing sage one Sunday morning and we talk about church and God and that stuff. And I said, well, Nana looks at the world as, as her church, right? I. A walk in the woods is church to me. So he’s. We talk about how do you talk to them. I also have a three year old and a five year old granddaughter up here who they call it. Nana doesn’t really have magic. We just let her think she does we’ll just, we’ll just let Nana think that. So they slept over this weekend and, and they’re laying in bed with me and my, my five year old granddaughter says, nana, I keep hearing these voices.

And I said, well, let’s talk about that magic that you don’t think Nana has. I said, you’re right. Nana doesn’t have magic. But Nana has a gift. And I can teach that to you because you’re my granddaughter. Odds are you have that gift too. So let’s learn how to do it right. It’s like you have a chessboard. So let’s just learn how to play chess. So I said, we’re going to take three deep breaths and we’re going to take a breath from mother Earth. We’re going to take a breath for the world that we live in.

And we’re going to take a breath for spirit and for the heavens. So now we’re going to go up through Nana’s ceiling. We’re going to go up through Nana’s roof. We’re going to go up above the treetops. And now we’re going to look. We’re going to look over Nana’s house. We’re going to look at the trees, we’re going to look over your house, look at the grass. And now we’re going to look up and we’re going to find a cloud that looks nice and heavy and puffy and cushy like a blanket. And we’re going to go sit on that cloud and we can look over the cloud and we can still see our house.

We’re safe. We’re not that far away. And right around where this cloud is, this is where all the little fairy. We can ask the fairies to come sit with us. And we tell stories at night. That’s where all the pegasus and the, and the, the unicorns with the rainbow wings. And they’re right at this level with us, right at that cloud. They can come sit with us. And we’re going to ask our angels, what do our angels look like? What do they sound like? What are their names? And she says to me, this Nana Betty, who’s my mom, she had brown eyes.

And I said, she does. And she said, can she come sit with us? And I said, sure. So we call in my mother, who is, who has the gift. And then she says, papa Perry. I said, sure. These are the two, the first two dead people that she’s ever experienced with, with that. I said, anytime that you, you want to or you’re having a hard time let’s just come sit on a cloud, and we can call everybody in, and we can just sit and talk to them. We can call down Mother Teresa. We can call down Jesus, we can call down your angels.

We can call down your fairies because they’re lighter energy and they’re playful and fun. But at night, if you can’t sleep, this is what I want you to do. I said, when you get up there, I said, you can call Nana. And she said, well, how can you hear me? I say, because when you’re up on a cloud and you call my name, I can hear you from over here, and I can come up and meet you. And it was that easy. Wow. Now, your family is open to this, correct? Like, if she started talking about.

Because I would imagine in families where they’re not so open to that, that might be an issue. True, true. But if we. So when. When people say they challenge you on your gift, right? There’s always somebody that challenges you. Okay, exactly. So we talk about energy, right? So how does your heart beat all by itself? How does that happen? How does it pump at a certain level, put all the blood and oxygenate it and move every cell through every single vein, through all your extremities, up and down through your whole body and up through your brain, you think, and then it comes out your mouth and then keep your heart pumping.

How does that happen? Not everybody has a battery in there to do that. That’s energy. Energy is electricity, right? So that usually gets people thinking, right? So when you take a balloon and you go like this and your hair sticks out, what is that? That’s just a balloon in hair, right? That’s electricity. Electricity is energy, Right? So we’re all energy and electricity. So I heard a really interesting thing today by a poet McCrae that talks about us being visitors here on Earth. Oh, wow. Have you ever heard it? It’s amazing. Just that we’re just visitors here on Earth, and it’s to take a break from eternity.

And we come back here in this form and we’re guests here. So be a good guest. Clean up after yourself, right? Be good to others. Be kind, be nice. Right? So when. When people challenge you on. On your gift, Right? You start with the physical body. What is energy? Why. How does your heartbeat. And that usually just gets them, and sometimes you can just stop there, Right? So people go to a brick and mortar to talk to God. Well, how do you. How do you know that’s real? Right? Right. Why can’t. Why isn’t God Jesus, Mother Teresa, Healers, Indian chiefs.

How do you know they’re not everywhere? Right. So I can tell you, everybody has the gift. It’s just. What level are you? Do you believe in it? In. Yeah, it’s literally working in the quantum field. Right. So I learned something not too long ago. I took a class in Kashik records. So I always had a very challenging relationship with my mother. My mother was very supportive in my gifts, but I never brought it to a higher level because she always had it. I don’t know where she got all of her knowledge. She did not grow up in a world of Google.

She was raised by white collar, wealthy parents and, you know, youngest of six brothers. And my mother was the one living in the woods with five kids and a pickup truck and horses and chickens and eggs. And we lived off the land where all my uncles had yachts and Cadillacs. So I don’t know where she came from, but she taught all of us kids how to live off the land. Like, I grew up knowing what to pick berries in the woods and what roots to pick to pull on how to make sassafras tea and, and where she got that knowledge, I don’t know.

But she passed all that onto us kids. So we always had a trust in. In that. But when I was a young teenager, she would sit on my bed with me and we would practice calling somebody in. So she used to say, let’s say his name is. Boy I had a crush on. Let’s say his name three times out loud. Within 24 hours, this person would show up at the goddamn door. We would do things like stand in front of an elevator and try to energetically. Now we’re talking energy. An elevator, right? Close your eyes and put your hand out.

Pick which elevator is going to open first. That’s energy, Right? Good way to just. And you can do stuff like that with your grandchildren, right? Yeah. Phone rings. Don’t look at it. Who is it? Yes. And you know, telepathy, get into the whole telepathy. And I’m watching a lot of people working with children where they’re training them, where they put the. They’re covering their eyes with masks and putting colors in front of them and they can tell you what color it is. Right. So they’re training these and these kids are ready for it. So I even.

I was telling someone the other day, I was. When I was at my daughter’s and I had come for a week to stay and I wasn’t sure if I was going to leave that. That afternoon or that Evening or the next morning. We were trying to figure out if my daughter needed me another day. And I was just thinking that. And then my daughter walks in, and she said, yeah. Have you figured out when you’re leaving yet? We could talk about what works, what doesn’t work. You can stay if you want. And it’s like those matching pictures, like, we keep.

We connect on those, and it’s happening a lot more. And I think the frequencies, because the Schumann resonance and a lot of the frequencies are rising, so we have the ability to tune into a lot of things that we couldn’t not too long ago. Right. I feel like the frequency of us as human beings on this earth has raised. Yes. Because 50 years ago, we could not have had a venue, like I said, that we went to a few weeks ago of all these healers in one common place. It would. It would have been a witch covenant.

Well, I was. I. I started this work 25 years ago. I had a wellness center in the little town that I lived in and south, you know, in Massachusetts. And my daughter, who was in sixth grade, had people asking her if their mother was a witch. And I did Reiki. And I had a woman who used to come to see me, and she’s like, do you have a back door that I could come into? I said, why? She said, I don’t want anyone seeing me come in. And I said, how do you expect me to stay in business if no one will tell anyone that I’m here and what I do? And people are afraid to come in here.

And it astonished me, because that was in the beginning. I did Reiki, and it’s just started hypnosis 25 years ago, and the amount of taboo that was around even talking about that. And now I laugh because I’ll go to a cocktail party and people will talk about spirit guides and past lives, and it was a normal conversation. But our parties have changed because the people that we surround ourselves with are much different than what we used to. That’s true. That’s very true. But even to the point where when my daughter was little, I used to walk around with a pendulum, and when I went shopping and, like, birthday presents for her friends, and I’d pull out a pendulum, and I would ask if her friend would like this, and she’d be like, stop doing that in public.

I don’t stop. This is so embarrassing. And then years later, she’ll call me. She’s like, could you grab your pendulum and check on something for me? So it’s funny, we were talking About I brought up Kashik Records. So, you know, like I said earlier, I think we start this process to heal ourselves and then we realize how much you break the chain of whatever trauma that you started out healing. Right? So my grandchildren are never going to have to go through the crap that I went through to become who I am today. Right? So tumultuous relationship with my mom over the years.

And so I, I was always the mother she was. I always took care of her more than she took care of me. So recently went back in my Akashic records. Right? So you go back in your, in our book, we all have a book of how many times we’ve been here, who we’ve been in past lives, that kind of stuff. And I, you know, have always, I always struggle with, you know, the low self esteem part of it. Even though I can stand up in front of 300 people on a soapbox and, and I could do that at 25 years old in a church setting.

It was, wow, I don’t know where that came from, but where I could do that at such a young age. So I went back in my Kashik Records and we were actually at the Salem Child and oh, wow. I’m standing on a branch and I’m in my, my witch outfit. And I look next to me and I see all the people that are out there in the crowd and they’re chanting and, and I look at the people in the crowd and it’s funny how some of those people were connected to me in this earth time course who I’ve struggled with relationship wise, right? And I’m like, oh, that’s why I always feel like no matter what I do, it’s never good enough for you.

Wow. Your problem, not my problem. But I look next to me and there’s two people standing on the branch next to me. One is this woman right here. It’s my sister that passed away when she was 32. The other woman is right here. That’s my mom. Passed away a year and a half ago, right? So I look next to me and it’s my mother. And I said, oh, you’re not my mother. You are my witch sister. We’re even, right? Right. I said, would you come back? Would you? Would you come back to this earth? And she goes, my mother was a bra burner, let me tell you.

She goes, absolutely, we’re coming back. She goes, we’re changing this. She goes, you think they get to treat us like this? I don’t think so. And let me tell you My mother was the kind of woman that would pick the biggest, baddest guy in a bar and pick a fight with him. That was my mother. Are we coming back? Absolutely. We’re coming back because we’re not putting up with this shit. I say to my sister, would you come back? She goes, I come back for a little while. She goes, but it’s really not my thing. Wow.

And she died at 32. Wow. Wow. I was able to heal a 60 year relationship with my mother in one Kashic record meditation journey. Like, it’s taken me a lifetime to try to figure out the relationship. One meditation. Oh. We weren’t mother and daughter. We were sisters. You were siblings. Yeah. I forgive you for not being a good mom because you really weren’t my mom. You were just the avenue in which I got here. So thank you. Exactly. So I always. When you talk about soul families, I think about, like, if my. If my hand were a tree branch and all the different, you know, branches that come off that are.

And the leaves are different members of your soul family. So some are much more closer than others. And we opt in to help each other out in different lifetimes. And what people don’t often understand is sometimes we will. We will make a contract to hurt you on purpose so that you will overcome something. Right. And people. So that’s why forgiveness is so important, because we had an agreement that you were going to do that. Now you’re going to hate me for it. We contracted that the probability of me doing this because then it makes you a better person because you had to overcome that.

Right. And so these were all contracts. So you were siblings that came back to do this work that was needed at this time. So we have soul family. So you and I could be soul sisters. Which, yes, we probably are. And we all have different roles. We come in for a season, you know, a moment, a season or a lifetime. And we all have lessons for each other. Yeah. And I think everybody that we’re connected to, either you teach to learn from and are connected to for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. This has been an amazing conversation.

It’s really gone to a lot of places. I am so grateful that we ran into each other. You want to talk about, like. And it was so funny because all of a sudden, my daughter had something to do and she decided to take the baby with her. And I was like, oh, I have a couple hours to myself. And then I happened to go online on Facebook and saw our other mutual friend, who I studied with, Karen Paulino, talking about I’m at this event. Come see me. I’m like, hell, yeah, I am. And you and I studied with all the same people.

Yes. Like, we studied with a shaman. Yeah. Together. We. Karen D. Trapani. Yeah. Carino. Yeah. Yeah. And Karen Dichapani, who does the shaman work. And that’s when I was dealing with some of my childhood stuff, and I did a. A meditation with her, and we went up and worked on my aura. So you’re. Every time something traumatic happens, there’s a little. A little PCO or so. It’s like cheesecloth. Right, Right. And a little piece of that gets ripped open, which leaves a hole for more BS of the same to come through. Right. So you wonder why you keep getting targeted with the same crap.

Right. So we went up, and we. We fixed my cheesecloth, my aura, and I saw somebody that night, and they’re like, cindy, your eyes. Have your eyes always been green? They’re like cat’s eyes, like ice green. And it just completely changed my physical look. Yeah. You know, because that part of me was healed. I did a soul retrieval. I can’t. You just said that I did a soul retrieval with someone. And what that means is when we experience any kind of trauma, parts of us will leave. That’s when someone actually goes into shock, and they don’t remember because that part of them has gone into hiding to protect themselves.

And this is a Native American medicine man, medicine woman. Tradition is to call those parts back so that you’re fully whole. And so I did this work. And he was going through in this meditation. He saw this bowl of holy water, and he was instructed by a guide to wash his face and wash his eyes. And when he came back, after he brought this part back, he opened his eyes, and his eyes were a different color. And I was staring at him, and he’s like, you okay? I’m like, could you please go over the mirror over there and look and tell me, are your eyes the same color? And he said, it’s crazy because he said, I have spent my whole life not being able to see the color of my eyes.

I’ve never known what color my eyes were. And he’s like, now I see. They’re blue. Wow. Yeah. Wow. There was a lot more to that story. I hope it’s not too convoluted, but I just wanted to get the gist of it. Yeah. You know what I think is amazing? That, like, how fast you heal doing this kind of work. Yes. And you look at the difference between this and talk therapy, I say, this all the time, because people say, I’ve been talking about this for 20 years, and I just had four sessions with you, and it’s gone.

And not that talk therapy isn’t good. You need coping mechanisms. My daughter’s a social worker. Worker. I love what they do. I couldn’t do what she does. But there are times when you can just get to the root cause of an issue and a lot faster. But you also have to be ready to change your life, because if you’re not ready to make the changes, then don’t do it. Right. When I worked with Karen Dijapani and we went back to my childhood, and you look at your little girl and with your little girl, and I looked right at my little girl, and I said, you know what, Cindy? I got you.

Yep. And you. I got you. And I. I just. I held her hand and we walked away together. And I felt whole. Yep. The soul rich soul retrieval work is some of the most powerful work that people don’t even. Most people don’t even know about. And I also found, like, the ancestral work, like, going back through generations and helping them heal. Even if they’re past and even if you don’t even know who they are, it doesn’t matter, because you call them in, they show up, and for the most part, 90% of them want to be healed.

There are. A few are like, I’m not forgiving them. Like. And I’m like, well, look how it’s impacting your descendants. Is that the pain that you want for them? And then they’ll usually think about it. And then. And then, okay, I’ll. I’ll, I’ll. I’ll. I’ll dip my toe in it. I’ll see. And they’ll usually heal. Yeah. But, you know, with talk therapy, there was. There was not one chair that I did not sit in. On the South Shore, I’m a therapist office, trying to get through my stuff. And then. Yeah, once I started my holistic journey, it was like rapid fire.

No, you. You and I share the same story. I was going two to three times a week. Yeah. Literally just to be able to. To function. When I hit 40, everyone said, oh, do you feel old now? You hit 40? I said, I have been 40 since I was 12. Like, Finally, I’m 40. That’s how I felt. Finally start my life. Exactly. I was, I was 38 when all of that happened to me. So around the same age. And I’m finding that this younger generation is really starting to crack open earlier. Like, having those moments where they’re really getting in touch and this new generation is coming in, knowing who they are, not having to go through what we have.

Because you and I have done the work. Absolutely. So we’re breaking the chain. We’re breaking that cycle of them not having to go through as hard of trauma, of what we went through to figure out who we were and how we got that way and why we went through all that crap to have to heal it and become who we are. Well, because now I have the wisdom without the pain, and that allows me to help others and it allows you to help others. Because I wouldn’t be who I am without having to go through all of that.

And to be honest, I live in a no drama zone. I’m done with all of that. No one. It’s hard to shake me now, whereas before I would spin really easily. I mean, there’s a lot of stuff that goes on in the world and there’s stuff that’s out of my control that I just not. Not going there. Not going there. Phone call yesterday from a family member. Yeah. That said to me I got one bullet in the chamber. Right. And I said, well, I hope you have the safety on. That’s all I said. Sounds like you’re having a tough day.

I hope you get through it. Not mine. Own. Not my contract. Not my. Love you. Well, that’s a call for help. I hope they’re still here today. Yeah, yeah, I’m. I’m not the call you should be making, but when you receive these calls since childhood from this person, you know. Yes. Okay. Hope you got the safety on. Yeah. Just to clarify, that wasn’t a one time thing. No, no, no, no, no. Sounds like you’re having a bad day. Yeah. Maybe you should call 91 1. Yeah, exactly. Well, this was awesome. Yeah. Get to do it again.

Yeah, I’m sure we will. I’m sure we will. I want to thank you so much. And. And for people. Do you do distance work? Do you do work with people locally? How can people get in touch with you? Yep. So I can send you all my info. Yeah. And if anybody wants to do anything virtually or do any healing work or do, you know, some journeying work, I’m happy to do. So I’m down here on the south shore of Massachusetts. Massachusetts. On the way to Cape Cod from Boston. Absolutely. So, yeah. Be happy to have you.

All right, so the information will be below. Again, Cindy, thank you so much. I so appreciate having you and it was so fun reconnecting you too. Thanks, Lisa.
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