The Epstein Case Mirrors the Franklin Scandal

➡ The text discusses the alleged cooperation between the CIA and Mossad, comparing them to crime families. It also warns about scams involving gold IRAs and advises people to check if they’ve been scammed. The text introduces Nick Bryant, founder of Epstein Justice, who has been advocating for victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Bryant compares the Epstein case to the Franklin scandal, both involving child trafficking and cover-ups. The text also mentions several high-profile individuals who have allegedly lied about their involvement with Epstein.
➡ Elon Musk and Jeffrey Epstein were in contact more than they admitted, as revealed by emails. Epstein was found guilty of sexual misconduct with minors, but the grand jury concluded he hadn’t molested any children, which raises questions about the legal process. Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell had a system to recruit girls from lower socioeconomic backgrounds for sexual exploitation. The media isn’t discussing these issues as much as they should, and some information in the files may be incorrect.
➡ The text discusses the abuse and exploitation of young girls by powerful figures, including a former Middle Eastern prime minister and Les Wexner, owner of Victoria’s Secret. The victims were terrified due to the abusers’ connections to the Mafia and Mossad. The text also suggests that Jeffrey Epstein, who paid the abusers well, was a CIA asset involved in arms deals. Despite evidence, the Department of Justice has not taken action, possibly due to blackmail and corruption within the political system.
➡ The text discusses the controversial figure, Jeffrey Epstein, and his connections with various elites. It questions the authenticity of some emails linked to Epstein and highlights the potential manipulation of these documents. The text also mentions Epstein’s involvement in providing adult women to Bill Clinton during his time in the White House. Lastly, it criticizes the current administration for losing credibility due to their handling of the Epstein case.
➡ The text discusses a cover-up involving high-ranking government officials and Jeffrey Epstein’s pedophile network. It suggests that Epstein’s connections extended into major industries, including big tech and banking. The text also discusses Ghislaine Maxwell’s role in the scandal and her current prison conditions. It ends with speculation about potential political repercussions if former President Trump were to pardon Maxwell.
➡ The article discusses the issue of political blackmail and corruption, highlighting the need for a cleaner political system. It suggests that the Epstein case provides an opportunity to cleanse the system. The author proposes the establishment of an independent congressional commission to investigate and address these issues. The article also emphasizes the importance of public support and pressure on legislators to endorse this commission.

When we’re talking about the CIA and the Mossad, we’re talking about the very darkest corners of the CIA. I don’t think they’re all bad. Yes. Yeah. So I don’t believe that the CIA would allow the Mossad to compromise American politicians on American soil without getting cut of that intelligence. That’s what I believe. When you’re dealing with the dark side of the Mossad and you’re dealing with the dark side of the CIA, it’s like you’re dealing with the Genovese crime family and the Gambino crime family. They have mutual interests and they generally work together. Just a quick break from the program.

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And he infamously published the Jeffrey Epstein black book and that was picked up by many major news outlets around the country. And he’s been working since the early 2000s after he started investigating the Franklin scandal which he published in, I think he said 2008, I think it was, and maybe it was 2010. He’s going to say. I can’t remember the exact date but he got involved. And he says that there’s a lot of parallels between the Franklin cover up and scandal and Jeffrey Epstein. The difference is that Epstein is known by everybody in the world and the Franklin scandal cover up or the Franklin scandal was not that well known in the average person didn’t know about it.

The difference is the Average person knows about Epstein and what was going on. And that is in his. In his words, this is the best opportunity we have that he’s seen his entire life for us to clean up the blackmail system that exists in our country, in Washington, D.C. our whole political system. The blackmail system is not just a political system. It’s the titans of industry, it’s big tech, it’s the banking system. It is intertwined to our universities. And this is the best in our lifetime to clean this up, because everybody knows about it. And we’re going to talk about that, what he’s found in these documents and just how.

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And we do not need a presidential signature for independent congressional commission, but we need a majority in the house and we need a majority in the Senate. And the thing about independent congressional commissions is they often employ non government personnel. And that’s what we’re going to need. Get truth here. And we want. The independent congressional commission will have two objectives. One, we want to know why the government covered up child trafficking. And two, we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted. And we’re@epsteinjustice.com okay, and when did you start it? Well, I started investigating child trafficking in 2002, 2003.

And I was looking at a. I was investigating a network that’s very much like Jeffrey Epstein. Actually, the network that I investigated, it took me seven years. And the book culminated in me writing the Franklin scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse and betrayal. And that was about a huge interstate child trafficking network that was covered up by federal and state authorities. And when I look at Epstein, Epstein is almost, in many ways, it’s almost a carbon copy of the Franklin scandal where you’ve got child trafficking, heavy duty, financial malfeasance, and a whole bunch of malignant evil.

It is, it’s bad. I know. The Franklin scandal, you know, that was early 90s kind of when that came out. Yes. And that kind of. Actually the book came out in 2010 and you did investigation, but the actual situation kind of collapsed and became. Yeah. 80s and early 90s. Yeah. And that had to do with boys, right? It wasn’t a girls thing, it was a boys thing. Well, that was Republicans molesting little boys. And Epstein is primarily Democrats molesting little girls. I’m not laughing because it’s funny because it’s just so incredible. But isn’t. So Epstein is just more the Democrats, it’s not the Republicans.

Even though the Democrats are the ones that are acting like they want everything out. Well, the Democrats that were compromised. I believe George Mitchell was a Senate majority leader at one point, and I believe that he was compromised by Epstein and he died. That was. And Bill Richardson, the governor of New Mexico. He’s also dead. He was named as a perpetrator. Well, how about, like, Howard Lutnick, who’s in the current administration, who’s been caught lying numerous times about being involved with Epstein? Well, with Ludnick, we definitely know that he’s been lying. Peter Thiel’s been lying. Elon Musk has been lying.

I mean, tell us how they’ve been lying, because I want to know, is it showing in these files and in your research that these. All these guys are involved, and then. And in which way? They’re not. They’re not. Okay. So with Peter Thiel, he basically distanced himself from Jeffrey Epstein. But if you look at the emails, they’re. They’re in communication quite often. And so. But that was more from a business. He. He kind of turned a blind eye to the evil and just did business with them or what? Well, Epstein, at one point in an email says, you got to come out to the island.

And so I. I think Peter Thiel. Well, he’s gay, but I mean, I don’t think that that would prevent. And I’m not saying Epstein provided him with underage boys, but I don’t think that that would prevent Epstein from providing people with underage boys. I don’t think he cared. I mean, no. Pretty clear. And the. But there’s no evidence that he, Peter Thiel, was doing anything with underage boys at this point. I mean, that’s not what we’re seeing. No. And. And Elon Musk, we’re not seeing anything with him as far as with underage girls. Or are we.

Is there anything with that? Well, the thing with Elon Musk is he said, yeah, I’ve never been to the island, and I died. I only communicated occasionally with Jeffrey Epstein. But there’s an email saying I had a hard last couple of weeks or a month or something, and tell me if there’s a rocking party going on at the island, and then Epstein offers to provide a helicopter. So we don’t know whether or not Elon Musk went to the island that particular time. But we do know that these guys have been lying about how close they’ve all distanced themselves from Jeffrey Epstein.

But actually, emails show us that they were in contact quite a bit. Yeah. I mean, he’s like an std, you know, you want to get as far away from it as you possibly can, but they weren’t at the time, and they weren’t getting away. As far away from them as they could. When they knew he was trafficking kids at the Time he was trafficking. Right. I mean, everybody knew. That’s what I’ve been told. I mean, all the detectives knew, all the police people in Palm Spring, police and sheriff, those offices, they all knew. And so if they knew, I would think everybody else knew, too.

I mean, it was so obvious. He pled guilty for having sex with a minor or molesting a minor. And when he met minor, did they say the age that he pled guilty to? I know it doesn’t matter, but I want to know. No. Well, here’s the thing with that. The Palm Beach Police Department found. I don’t know the exact number, but it’s 17 to 23 victims. And they were going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor and one count of lewd and lascivious molestation. And one of the kids that did come forward was 14 years old at that time.

At that time. So that means that she was younger when it happened. No, no, she was 14 when she was molested by. Okay, okay. And she was now 16. And the case got taken away from the Palm Beach Police Department and it was given to a grand jury. And I don’t know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work, but with a grand jury, a special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury. There’s nothing adversarial about a grand jury at all. And the special prosecutor calls the witnesses that he or she deems is important and shows the grand jurors evidence that he or she deems is important.

And grand jurors are just people that have shown up for jury duty and have been funneled to a grand jury. When people think. When they hear grand jury, they think like the gods of Olympus have spoke or the gods of jurisprudence have spoke. But no, it’s just going to charge people with grand juries. They formally indict people of crimes or exonerate them. And Lana Belvak was the Florida state prosecutor, special prosecutor of the grand jury. And although the Palm Beach Police Department had the statements of five underage victims and they were aware of many more, Lana belvik only called two.

She called a 14 year old who had been molested. She was the first kid to come forward. And she also called a woman or a girl that had been molested multiple times since she was 16, she was now 18. And she skewered these poor girls. I mean, just skewered them. And at one point, the grand jurors are calling them prostitutes or at least one of them. Yeah, it was horrible. And that grand Jury concluded that Jeffrey Epstein had not molested a single child. And that’s exactly what happened in the Franklin scandal. Okay, so how. I’m sorry.

Keep going. That’s exactly what happened in the Franklin scandal. The two grand juries found that not a single child had been abused. How do they find grand juries that. That can be consistent like this? How did they pick them based on, you know, how. How. How can that be possible? Because when people like me and you look at it, we’re like, well, this couldn’t be any more obvious. But here’s the thing with the grand jury. The special prosecutor chooses the witnesses that are going to be called and the evidence that’s going to be shown to the grand jurors.

The grand jurors aren’t going to really know anything about this situation. So they can spin it and they can fix it. There was a New York Supreme Court justice that said special prosecutors have so much power over grand juries that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. And. And the Epstein grand jury was definitely a ham sandwich. It indicted him on one count of adult pandering. So who was she? Why was she such a icky person that she was so hell bent on making sure Jeffrey Epstein could skate and molest little girls? What the hell is wrong with her? Who is she? She is.

She’d been a Florida prosecutor. And I think that what I’ve seen with extraordinary legal malfeasance is people will sell their grandmother for power or they’ll just take orders that like the Nazi defense for the killing, the Holocaust, is. They just said they were taking orders. So it was obviously the way that she. I’ve got the transcripts of that grand jury. You think. Do you think she simply wanted power and wanted to conform and was doing what she was told? Or do you. I mean, because someone like her should be prosecuted. Absolutely. I mean, she’s bent. I don’t know why she’s bent or how she’s bent, but she was bent, definitely.

Okay, so we know all these files are coming out. We know that in retrospect, she’s an awful individual. Let’s put her on the shelf. There’s a lot of other things. And in your role and what you’ve been doing for so long, I’m sure these files you’ve been scouring over and looking through them, what have you found in these files that the average person, because the media is really not talking about it. It’s as if it’s. It’s just not. It is a Big freaking elephant in the room. And they are not talking about it. There’s a lot in the files, but you have to be careful because there’s a lot of information that isn’t correct.

And I’ve stubbed my toe a few times going down rabbit holes. Is that on purpose, you think? Well, the Trump administration just threw everything together. FBI reports, emails, a lot of other documents. There’s pictures of what I’m in there three times having a conversation with Johnny Venmore. It’s like, the heck is that? I mean, I could have been in there for real stuff. I mean, I could have been in there for my interview, John Mark Dugan and some of the other things that are like hard hitting investigative work. But none of that’s in there. I’m in the files too.

I’m sure you are. I was. I got the black book in October of 2011 and I started calling victims. The victims were euphemistically referred to as massage. So you’ve got massage Florida, massage, New Mexico, massage La, massage, Paris. And I started calling the names under massage in the black book. And I was able to get a hold of some victims. And the one and one, I didn’t talk to her, but I talked to her mother, but she was in the room. And she told me that she’d been 13 when Jeffrey Epstein first molester. So how did she tell you how it worked? Did she tell you how she got herself involved in something like this and how her mother didn’t? I assume her mother didn’t know at the time.

Or did she? Jeffrey Epstein built a machine. Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell built a machine. And the primary purpose of that machine was to vacuum up girls. And they had girls that would go to high schools and middle schools and recruit other girls. And a lot of these girls come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. So two or three hundred dollars would be a very good was. They felt it was very lucrative. And if you, if you brought a kid back to Epstein that he liked, he would give you like $300. Okay, so they were paid 300 bucks to find a kid and then the kid could make like 300 bucks every time.

200, generally. 200. 200. Sometimes two to 300. Yeah. They could make a whopping 200 bucks to get molested. Yes. And they thought it was worth it because they were so poor. Well, I think that some of them were there under false pretense. They were just told that they were going to give an old guy a massage and make some money. And I Think a lot of them were surprised when the old guy started demanding certain things of them. Okay, so when they. Did any of them get. Get physically harmed by these old guys? Yes. There’s accounts of sadism in the files at the island, or.

No, There have been women that have come forward. Virginia Jew Free, who committed suicide a while back. She. There was one pedophile that was extremely sadistic to her, and I saw that in the Franklin. Who was that pedophile? He was prime minister of a country in the Middle East. You should be able to figure that one out. And a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein’s, and he, Virginia Giuffre, was terrified of him. And she was also terrified of Les Wexner, who also abused her. He is the potentate of Albaranz, which owns. Or was the potentate which owns Victoria’s Secret and Tommy Hilfinger, a number of other.

Yep. Lex Wexner is all over that now, is he? She was afraid of him because he. Now he would get in. Put them into satanic rituals or they would just be very abusive. We haven’t come across any satanic rituals at all. They were just abusive. They were abusive. And then Les Wexner had major connections to the Mafia and this other pedophile had major connections to the Mossad, so you should be able to figure that one out. But. But they were scared of them. So why were they scared? They weren’t just molested. What else happened? I mean, were they beaten? Were they.

Was it. Well, I. I know that there was some sadism involved. What do you mean by that? Some of the pedophiles were very rough with some of the girls. And according to Virginia, she was put in a hospital for three days because of one of the pedophiles. They. They like to be. They. They like to beat them up while being. Doing. Some do. It’s. It’s kind of on a continuum. I saw this with the Franklin scandal. Some of these pedophiles are very sadistic, and some of them aren’t. They just want to feed their addiction of molesting kids.

But others take it further and further and further and become extremely sadistic. Okay? And these people have so much power, they figure they can get away with anything, and they do. Well, they’re above the law at this point. Prince Andrew isn’t, although he was arrested for something entirely different than molesting children. And same with Peter Manelson, the former US Ambassador to the former UK Ambassador to the United States. Why are they above the law? What are you finding that they. Why are they. I know there’s blackmail involved, but why are they above the law? Why can’t our law enforcement.

Why is our law enforcement essentially neutered and not allowed to protect children? Well, in this situation, and I’ve been saying this for years, in this situation, we could have had indictments 10 years ago. We easily could have had indictments then. We know who a lot of the procurers are and we know who a lot of the perpetrators are. And we know who a lot of the victims are. And the FBI was talking to three of the procurers and one of them was going to make a deal, but didn’t. That’s one thing the files show. But the procurers are used to a very gilded life.

Jeffrey Epstein paid them very well. And if a grand jury, and now a real grand jury, one that’s not cooked, if a real grand jury brought those procurers to testify, they could be indicted on multiple counts of child trafficking. And that’s a heavy sentence in the federal system. That’s 15 to life. Yeah. So why didn’t they. Because our Department of Justice hasn’t had the will to do that. It’s obviously cover, but the COVID up started in the Bush II administration and it continued with Obama and Biden and Trump. It’s continuing. So it’s happened under two Democratic presidents and two Republican presidents.

But I know you’ve researched, you look through the files, you’ve talked to everybody you can. Have you come to any conclusions of why? I mean, we’ve taken powerful people down in the past and we don’t. When you have the public outcry of this is not acceptable and they’re still protecting them. Have you come to anything that helps you understand why this level of depravity is being protected? Yes. It’s the same thing with the Franklin scandal. One of the primary pimps of the Franklin scandal, Craig Spence, who was a CIA asset. And I think, well, we might be finding out now, but we’ll be finding out at some point that Jeffrey Epstein was a CIA asset.

He wasn’t just Mossad, he was CIA. And the CIA is. Because I know that there’s been investigations into this that have worked to try to minimize the CIA role in this whole thing and make it look like it was just Mossad. But it really wasn’t just Mossad, was it? Well, when people ask me that, I basically reply with the same answer. I don’t believe. Okay, when we’re talking about the CIA and the Mossad, we’re talking about the very darkest corners of the CIA. I don’t think they’re all bad. Yes. Yeah. So I don’t believe that the CIA would allow the Mossad to compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence.

That’s what I believe. When you’re dealing with the dark side of the Mossad and you’re dealing with the dark side of the CIA, it’s like you’re dealing with the Genovese crime family and the Gambino crime family. They have mutual interests and they generally work together. I would think so. Yeah. And, and, but they’re not all dark. Right. But now the. Why doesn’t the, the, the side of the CIA that’s here to protect the national interests of the country? You know, first of all, are they. And if they are, then why is this even, why did they allow this to go on? Because clearly this is a natural national security issue.

When you have the most powerful people in this country blackmailed. Well, I believe that our political system is compromised by people that are blackmailed. And actually there was a Tennessee legislator, sitting Congressman Tim Burchette, that came out a couple of years ago and said my colleagues are being compromised in honey traps. Which was kind of cool that he said that because I’ve done that for years. So it was great to have, it was great to have a sitting congressman corroborate that. Just a short break to share with you an amazing peptide. This one is GHK cu.

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But the question is, what are we seeing here? We’re seeing more than blackmail. We’re seeing transhumanism. We’re seeing some weird crap in those files. What are you seeing when you’re researching that? Well, Epstein was putting together arms deals with Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel and also the former Defense Minister of Israel. So he was putting together arms deals and actually, I think he started. Epstein was fired from Dalton School, which he shouldn’t have been hired for because he didn’t have a college degree. And then he went to Bear Stearns, which he was fired from because of insider trading.

And then he hooked up with an arms trafficker named Douglas Lees. And I think that that’s. And he might have wet his feet in that whole murky world at Bear Stearns, because Bear Stearns dealt with a bank called bcci, which is the dirtiest bank probably in the history of humanity. Drug lords used it for money laundering. Arms dealers used it for money laundering. The CIA used it for money laundering. It was a very, very dirty bank. And Bear Stearns dealt with bcci. Now, if Epstein would have been one of the people that dealt with bcci, then that accounts for how he might have gotten dirty.

Or he could have been dirty earlier. Well, wasn’t he the type, the person that was dirty? I mean, he was just a. Probably a psychopath and they identified it and they. He was somebody very loose in how he would deal with. So he was a very convenient person for these guys. Yes, he was very talented. I mean, if I’m, I, I hope you don’t mind a football metaphor. No, go ahead. I played college football. If I was Team Evil and I was drafting people, Epstein would be a first round draft pick. Or he might be the first pick overall because he, he was, he was into everything.

He’s a quarterback, man. He was also a money launderer too. How does, how does somebody like that could become the center of all this? Now, I don’t think you need a college degree to be so. In fact, he might have been very, very much a genius psychopath where college just wasn’t his thing. I mean, some of the, the smartest people can’t handle formal school that well. Well, as Mark Twain said, don’t let school get in the way of Your education. And Jeffrey Epstein obviously embraced that. That’s right. And so did many other people. So he, but he got into other things.

Now you’ve been looking through this, the, the files. We’re seeing stuff like the elites doing hunts on people and eating babies and all this stuff. Now you said you went down some rabbit holes that you didn’t feel was true. How much of that do you think is true? And other things that are just there to make everything look stupid. The eating babies. I haven’t seen any indications of that. Now there is an email that does talk about hunting African Americans. There’s no emails before that or no emails after that. So it’s, it could either be one that got that, that slid through, wasn’t the 3 million that they kept back and they accidentally.

Or it’s just not much. I don’t know. It’s. I mean, because some of them are, some of the emails are unabated evil. It’s. But you, but you got to be careful because people have manipulated them. I think people have manipulated them since they’ve been released. Like I think so too. Yeah. There was an email where Epstein said I loved the torture video and Peter Mandelson. It was originally thought that Peter Mandelson was the one that sent it because his name was there. But actually the person that sentenced was Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulla. So yes, Epstein did respond to I love the torture video, but the wrong person was, it was sent from the wrong person.

So I don’t know what happened there. I think someone might have manipulated that. And then there’s one that’s talking about Susan Hamblin and it says bring the fresh muffins and steaks. And then people have thought that Susan Hamblin was actually the incorporator of an adoption charity. But that is the wrong Susan Hamblin. The Susan Hamblin that. Well, actually Susan Hamlin wasn’t even mentioned in this email. So if someone put that in there. But, but even if you go with Susan Hamblin, it was the wrong Susan Hamblin. So you gotta, you gotta be careful. So what do you, when you look at the overall picture, what is it that you’re seeing? Because you’ve seen the Franklin scandal, you’ve seen this.

People don’t quite understand a lot of it sensationalized. But there’s a lot of evil. If you were to encapsulate what it is that we’re seeing in the level. The new. Maybe some of the new revelations of not just 15 and 16 year old girls with Old guys that like young girls. What is it that we’re seeing beyond that? Well, there is a level of evil. There was a former neuroscientist at ucla. I think he’s recently lost his job. His name was Mark Tramo. He has an MD and a PhD. And he wrote to Epstein that was just reading today that newborns will suck a pacifier more vigorously if it triggers playback of a recording of her, his mother’s voice than another voice.

So this MD, PhD, Mark Tramo, is telling Jeffrey Epstein how infants suck harder. Now, I think that that is evil. That is evil. Do you think. What was the context around that? That’s interesting. It was just an out of the blue email. Why would he say that? What was the context around that? Is there more? We don’t have the context, but for anyone to. I know to send an email like that to Jeffrey Epstein and then actually he is. He’s off the UCLA website at this point. So UCLA kind of felt it was time to get rid of him too.

Well, because it was too much heat. But how do. How did Epstein get in the center of all the elites around the world? I mean, he said Bill Gates was, you know, the Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, every Obama, I mean, every major Hillary Clinton, everybody was involved with this guy. The big banks. Well, we don’t see Obama involved with him. Susan Romler, who was the White House counsel, was certainly friends with Epstein and did so Obama wasn’t. That was information I heard. At least it’s not in the files. But Bill Clinton was certainly involved with Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein was providing women adults to him when he was in the White House.

But Obama didn’t like girls, so maybe that was why that could have been. I mean, honestly. Okay, I mean, we don’t need to go that goofy, but it’s true. So what do you think? You know, the Franklin scandal, you said there’s parallels to that. The Franklin scandal didn’t get anywhere either. I mean, they came and they covered it up and they moved on. It didn’t get this kind of publicity, though. It was not the Internet and the average person didn’t have a clue it was going on. This is a different. This is a different story. Every one knows who Jeffrey Epstein is around the world.

When I start, when I got the black book and I started pitching it to New. I live in New York City. And when I started pitching it to editors and publishers, they would. They wanted nothing to do with it. And then finally Gawker took a chance with it in 2015. Who did Gawker okay who? And they’ve since been sued into oblivion. But the. I’ve eaten so much rejection both about Franklin and Epstein. So the fact that it’s gotten this far is like a dream come true to me because I’ve gone through years of major despondency because I thought that my.

My work was. Would. Would never get illuminated by anyone. And now you are. You’re so. People are paying attention. And you. Your goal was to talk to different witnesses or different victims and witnesses and people all over. Now, what would you say is the most misunderstood about the Epsom steam situation as far as what people just don’t know about? Or is it all out there? I mean, I. There’s like 3 million files that aren’t out yet. I. Yes, I think that’s where the meat is being honest. I mean, if past behavior is an indicator of future behavior, what’s in those missing 3 million files is where most of the meat is at.

But as I said earlier, we didn’t even need this tranche of documents to drop. That’s right, because we. We could have had indictments and prosecutions 10 years ago. So why don’t we. Now we say we know that there’s blackmail. Are people scared? I mean, like Pam Bondi, she. They all talked a big talk before they got into office. I mean, they were big talkers and then nothing. Yeah, I mean, I look at what Cash Patel said, he’s kind of taken a 180, and I don’t really know what Pam Bondi said, but she’s really compromised her credibility to the point where I don’t think she has really any credibility whatsoever.

I mean, that’s why Todd Blanch is kind of the face of the Department of Justice. Nobody. No one trusts these guys anymore. They’ve lost so much credibility, and now they’re doing a campaign to try to bring back credibility to the administration, which is very sad because there was a. The. The old. The last administration was so bad that you couldn’t. You know, this. This administration, as bad as they are, is actually probably a little better than the last one. I mean, the last one was so bad you couldn’t even. You. You were already at bottom. Right.

There’s nothing but looking up at that point now we got these guys, and they had so much potential, and now they’re losing. I don’t think they’re going to win the midterms because they’ve lost so much credibility because of this. And I don’t think that they’re seeing they don’t see how big of a deal this is. So now they’re going on a propaganda campaign to bring credibility back. But unless they come clean on some of these things, I don’t think the people. This is too far for people. I think Epstein has been a huge, huge thorn in the side of the Trump administration.

I don’t think you can recover from it unless you. George Bush ii, the cognitively challenged George Bush, he built the Pandora’s box in 2018. He was the one that instrumented the COVID up in 2018. Oh, he did? What did he do? He was the one that oversaw the sweetheart deal that Epstein got because the feds were aware of 40 underage in 2018. He did. Even though he was out of office, he swept in and did the deal. No, no, he was. It was his last year in office. 2018. So it wasn’t 2018. No, no. 2008. Okay, okay, 2008.

Okay, yes. So he engineered the Pandora’s box. He was the one that originally covered it up. There’s only two people in the government that can tell a U.S. attorney to stand down like Alexander Acosta stood down. And one is the Attorney General, one is the president. U.S. attorney isn’t going to unilaterally cover up a pedophile network and go out on a limb without his boss giving the go ahead. And the same thing is true with the Attorney General, who was Alberto Gonzalez at the time. He’s not gonna unilaterally cover up a pedophile network unless his boss tells him to.

So it was George Bush too, that told Alexander ultimately. I mean, I’m sure one of their minions delivered the message. And actually we do have an email about that where Ken Starr and the quote, unquote, top brass of the FBI go visit Alexandra Acosta, because they originally had. The Southern District of Florida had originally had a 60 count indictment against Alexander, against Jeffrey Epstein. And then it just went away, which is incredible. Now it’s intertwined into the biggest industries, big tech, the banking system. And you know, you’ve heard that, that people are saying that if this actually came out, it would bring down our economy.

Is that true or do you think that’s just a scare? I think that it’s a scare tactic. I mean, the banksters didn’t even manage to bring down our economy in 2007, 2008. So I don’t see how Jeffrey Epstein is going to bring down our economy. I don’t think so. And you can. There’s always somebody else, a CEO. They can step down and some other executive can take their place. Everybody is replaceable. The company doesn’t need to go down. That person running it does. Yes, and we saw that with Jeff Staley, with J.P. morgan. He ran the venture side of J.P.

morgan. And he was told multiple times that Jeffrey Epstein was a high risk. But Jeffrey Epstein was providing him with women that we know of. And they could have been younger, too. Well, let’s talk about Ghislaine Maskville. Because her father was an agent for not only MI6 and MI6, MI5, but Mossad and KGB. He was a triple agent, from what we understand. Ghislaine Maxwell was his daughter. I mean, she wasn’t just this socialite bimbo that Epstein hung out with. A lot of people I know think that maybe she was the handler. She was more to this Epstein.

Epstein was somebody they could get rid of. They? Her, she had a little more power. I don’t know. What do you think? With the Franklin scandal, we’ve got two primary pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spence. Lawrence King, well, Craig Spence committed suicide. And I do believe that he committed suicide, but I also believe that he was told, either you kill yourself or we’re going to kill you. Because he couldn’t. He was used to the high life. He lived in a mansion. He had lots of money coming in and he spent. In mid-80s, he spent like $20,000 a month on the escorts.

So he was used to the high life. He could not have powered down. There’s no way. So he killed himself. Now, Lawrence King was a different story. I think that Lawrence King was told, you’re going to have to keep your mouth shut and do some time. And he did no time for molesting children or running a network. He did time for embezzling $40 million from a credit union that he was the manager of. So I think that that’s pretty analogous to Epstein and Maxwell. I think that Epstein was too used to the high life. He could not have gone to prison.

And he might have been threatening to. And I think Ghislaine Maxwell saw what happened to Epstein, saw what happened to her father, and she made a deal to keep her mouth shut. And I’m sure that she’s got lots of money stashed somewhere. She’s got a lot of money. She comes from a very wealthy family. No. Well, her father, what happened with her father was he plundered the pensions of many of the companies that he owned. And according to the Israeli spy, Eric Ben Menashi. And this is kind of. This is corroborated by Epstein. He was trying to blackmail the Mossad, and the Mossad got rid of him.

And actually, Epstein says the exact same thing in an email. So Ghislaine Maxwell knew what would happen to her if she talked. And she’s in the cushest prison that anybody could ever be in right now. So she’s kept her mouth shut. And what do you mean by that? What is her prison like? Her prison is, you know, Club Fed. What is it like? I mean, is it, you know, is it like you’re staying at the Ritz Carlton? You know, you got a really nice room. It’s very, very nice. It. I mean, I guess the inmates do yoga.

And I heard this. I haven’t corroborated that. Actually, Maxwell has a little dog now that she can have. She has a little dog. Is her bed nice? Does she have a tv? She gets good food. I think the food is probably better than the previous prison she was in. They could go outside and play tennis. I think that it’s about as cush as a prison can be. Okay, so she’s. She’s in a low security prison situation, and that’s probably the deal she cut for herself. How long is she supposed to be in prison? 20 years. But sex offenders are generally not allowed in low security prisons.

So there’s another time where the Trump administration has contravened the letter of law because of the Epstein case. Well, Epstein was. His cell was actually constructed for him. I mean, he had. They went out of their. To cater to him. So there was something weird there. That was in 2000 when he did 13 months in a county jail. Yeah, he had dressed up like the Taj Mahal and he got to go out 12 hours a day. Yeah. Now he really did have the Ritz Carlton in his. I mean, they actually did construction for him, which is crazy.

Now, Trump talked about pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell so she didn’t have to spend the rest of her time there. He said that. What do you think about that? I think that would be an unbelievably egregious act. Then what do you think the public would do? Well, Ghislaine Maxwell has trafficked hundreds of children, and she’s also a perpetrator, too. So how do you know she’s a perpetrator versus just a trafficker? Because it’s in the files. There are multiple accounts of her being a perpetrator. So with her, if Trump pardoned her, that would be really a low light move, actually a nefarious move.

Well, he would. It would be the coffin and the, it would be that he, he would be the end of his history. Well, if he. Trav. If he pardoned her before he left office, at the end, that would be, you know, most of the, most of the presidents, what they’ve done, their bad deeds have been pretty much widely covered. People do not think very highly of the Clintons. They don’t think very highly of the Bushes. There’s enough time that’s passed by where we’ve, we have pretty good information on some of the crimes that these guys have done.

Biden crimes. Incredible. If Trump doesn’t, you know, does stuff like this, his crimes are going to be engraved and his legacy is going to be pretty bad. Well, I think his legacy at this point isn’t going to be a positive one. He’s gonna have to turn the ship around. And that’s what I believe because of this and other things. And other things. I mean, he’s estranged. Trump is the president because 70% of independents voted for Born. But that’s because we dealt with Biden, who was just horrifying. And there was a lot of stuff that we wanted Trump to do, and people still believe that he is.

But how do we know? Well, we can just judge by his actions. And I don’t think his actions have been superlative. We know that Biden was heavily demented for much of his term as president. And this is what I found fascinating is. So somebody was running that administration other than Biden. Yes, that’s true, William. Bill Burns was the head of the CIA at that point, and he and Jeffrey Epstein were buddies. He comes up. If, if you go, if you go into the Epstein database and type in Bill Burns, you get. Let me see if I can pull it up here.

The head of the CIA is best buddies with Jeff Rabstein. You know, I think it’s hard for anybody to go against this kind of power network. I don’t think that’s an excuse to not do it. I just think it’s hard for anybody in that sewer system that they’re in Washington, D.C. i think the Trump people are questioning his effectiveness. He has done some, you can argue, but from a financial standpoint, the economy is ready to implode. So we’ll see what he does from that angle. Some people think he’s doing some good stuff there. And that was Bondi’s argument, but we gotta see.

And this blackmail, I gotta tell you, I think the blackmail is so far up the chain of this geopolitical economic system. That they have to weigh all of that together when they said the system would collapse if that came out. I don’t think that’s the case. As far as replacing heads of companies and corporations and anybody in any position can be, is replaceable. I think what it is is the blackmail is such that there’s some things that could go down. The thing about it is, do we want our children to inherit this political system? Do we want anybody’s children to inherit this political system? I think with Epstein this is going to be the best opportunity in our lifetimes and maybe ever to finally clean out our political system that sewer.

I, I think that we’ve got a real opportunity here. I think we do too. And, and it do. Can you even say we have any kind of civil society if we don’t? Well, the wealth polarization is completely out of control at this point. The middle class is, is very much eroding. And that’s what made America so strong, is we had a very strong middle class. And the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poor. If you go into certain areas in the United States, it’s almost like you’re in a third world country. And that is the fault, I believe, of our leaders.

Our leaders are not treating Americans the way that they should be treated. It’s like that we care about other countries more than. Well, actually we care about more other corporations. That’s right. Well, corporations, other countries. I think the criminals, I don’t, you know, the corporations are one thing, but the criminal networks are another. And the, the, the other countries that we’re beholden to. But if you look at these transnational global corporations, I mean what they get away with is mind boggling. And I think that they fit into the same system of the blackmail. I think that when you get to the billionaires and then the politicians, I think that there’s a very similar amount of blackmail going on.

Some of the people I’ve talked to are starting to come to the conclusion that it is a psychopathy of evil, that, that those kind of people are the ones who rise to power because they’re the ones who are magnetized by it. And that as we become a civilized society, we need to be able to identify those mental disorders. I think these are disorders and diseases of the mind. We need to be able to identify those diseases of the mind and say, hey, these people are not feeling fit to being in leadership positions. I mean, otherwise we’re in trouble.

I think if we can excise the blackmail from our system, if we can out it now, now is going to be our best chance to out it. Then I think our society can proceed in a much more positive light. How do we deal with the blackmail for some, because some people are, are relatively innocent, even though they’re not. Do you know what I’m saying? They got themselves caught up into a blackmail situation and now there’s, it’s a snowball thing and there’s a lot that just don’t want to be part of it. And then there’s others who, you know, they love it.

They love that environment. So how do we, how do we deal with. I got to the blackmail photographer of the Franklin scandal, one of the blackmail photographers, and he was anxious and I think he lacked, for the most part, a conscience. But he did provide me with some good information. But when I was trying to get my mind around it all, because you really don’t read about this in books. I mean, if you read the Franklin scandal, you would have a much better understanding of the Epstein scandal. I was trying to get my mind around. I said, what’s this? How does this work? And he said to me, once you’re blackmailed or compromised, it’s like you’re on a beautiful yacht and it’s a beautiful day and you can have anything you want on the yacht.

But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown. So there’s zero incentive to get off that. We have to sink the yacht. That’s what we have to do is sink the yacht. And that’s how they keep them all in check. And they don’t trust other people who aren’t also equally blackmailed. Yes. I mean, it really is a gateway system of blackmail. That’s why the good people who are trying to figure all this stuff out are weirdly kept out of stuff. It’s like, why, why is there such a hard wall here? And it’s, it’s a, it’s a weird gatekeeping thing because of this.

I think political blackmail has been with us forever. It’s, it’s, it’s for sure. But now we have pinhole cameras, which makes it much easier to facilitate. And what do you say, what do you mean by that? Explain it for people to understand. Well, you’ve got tiny little cameras now that can be hidden just about anywhere. So. And they can find you doing anything and blackmail you on it. Yes. Unless you’re a super squeaky clean person, they can blackmail you. Yeah, I think a lot of people in Washington are susceptible to blackmail for sure, yeah. And that’s the situation.

But we do need to clean it up because if we’re going to have all these high stake games of, you know, our weapons are very powerful, we have these computer systems that an AI and I mean our technology is getting so advanced that if we don’t clean this up, we could. Humanity is going to be going down a pretty dark path. Yeah, I think it’s really important on a kind of a closing note, I think it’s really important for your audience to check out epsteinjustice.com because we are offering the only solution to this. But we are going to need help.

And the solution, let’s repeat that you talked about at the beginning. You believe that the solution is repeat this for people, an independent congressional commission. And you believe that would help clean up the swamp in this practice and liberate the, the country and probably the world from this level of blackmail and coercion. If non government personnel were incorporated for the investigation, how much do you need support to make that happen? And do you think it’s possible? I think it’s possible. We’re putting together Facebook groups by state and we have to put pressure on our legislators. We need, as I said earlier, for an independent congressional commission.

We do not need presidential signature. We just need a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate. Now for the Epstein Transparency act we saw huge, huge majorities, I mean almost unanimous, unanimous in the Senate and one person who I don’t really understand didn’t vote for it in the House. But if we get a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate, then we can get the independent congressional commission. And that is the only way we’re going to clean out our political system. And we don’t need any more documents. We just need, we need to start getting indictments.

And that won’t be that difficult because we know who, we know who they are. Okay, so how far, what do you need to go forward to make this happen? Well, we have monthly webinars and tonight we’re having a webinar at 8 o’ clock and you can go to epsteinjustice.com register, you can sign our petition. It’s over 80,000 people at this point. We send out a legislator of the week and we ask people to put pressure on that legislator so that they will endorse an independent congressional commission. What do you need to get that endorsement? I mean, what do you think will happen? You need to have a couple legislators take it up and make it happen.

I mean, what, what? Yeah, I mean, what you saw with Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna with the discharge rotation, and they ultimately ended up with a majority in the House, and that that’s what we’re going to need. And do you have any congressman that’s willing to champion. We’re endorsed by Thomas Massie and Rohan at this point, too. Okay, so is he willing to champion this or any other people willing to champion it and bring it to the floor and get it to happen? We need more politicians for sure. But if we get the numbers and we can start putting pressure on people.

This is a grassroots movement. We don’t have billionaires supporting us. I mean, the ultra wealthy are not going to support Epstein Justice. And it’s. It’s really up to Americans. Do we want, as I said earlier, do we want our children or any children to grow up and what our country is becoming? I don’t think we do. And we can fix it. Epstein is giving us an unbelievable opportunity to fix our political system, and we have to seize the day. Yes, we do. Okay, again, what’s your website? Epsteinjustice.com. okay. Thank you so much for joining the program.

I really appreciate. I appreciate everything that you’re doing.
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