An Intimate Conversation About Divine Partners With Eden Koz

➡ Lisa Schermerhorn, host of a show on the Grassroots Warrior Network, discusses her experiences with relationships, particularly after divorce and during the Covid-19 pandemic. She shares a story about a man she dated who seemed perfect but turned out to be possessive and insecure. Lisa reflects on the importance of self-awareness and personal growth in relationships, and the need to take responsibility for one’s part in relationship issues. She also introduces Eden, a fellow show host and soul realignment specialist, who shares her own experiences with a long-term narcissistic relationship and her journey towards healing and self-discovery.
➡ The speaker discusses her journey of self-discovery and independence after a divorce. She talks about how she became more assertive and found her voice, no longer being a people pleaser. She also discusses her strong beliefs and values, and how she applies them in her work, refusing to work with clients who aren’t ready to change. Lastly, she emphasizes the importance of perspective and understanding different viewpoints.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of understanding and respecting different perspectives, even when they conflict with our own. They also share personal experiences with a product called Ivermectin, which they claim has helped with various health issues. The speaker emphasizes the need for personal growth and self-awareness in relationships, and shares their journey of healing and self-discovery after a divorce. They highlight the importance of being able to recognize and avoid harmful situations in relationships.
➡ The text is about the author’s journey of self-discovery and growth in her relationships. She talks about her new relationship where she is more assertive and accepting of herself. She also shares about her deep friendship with a female friend that provides companionship without romantic involvement. Lastly, she discusses her experience with a man she met on a dating app, who despite not fitting her usual type, has shown significant personal growth and has become a significant part of her life.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of shared values, open-mindedness, and support in a relationship. She emphasizes the need for personal growth and communication, and the ability to leave a relationship if it’s not fulfilling. She also touches on the societal pressures and expectations on men and women, suggesting that the pendulum has swung too far in the women’s movement, leading to an imbalance in gender roles. She advocates for a balance where both parties can express their strengths and be respected for their unique contributions.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of understanding and embracing both the divine masculine and feminine within oneself. They emphasize the value of healthy relationships, which they believe are often overlooked in society, and the significance of patience and emotional connection before physical intimacy. The speaker also shares their personal journey of self-discovery and healing, leading to a fulfilling relationship. They stress that a partner should not complete you, but rather complement you, and that self-love and contentment are key to a successful relationship.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of self-love and independence, stating that relationships should enhance life, not define it. They’ve learned to appreciate their own company and value their relationship with themselves above all. They also mention a class they’re planning to teach about evolving relationships and self-discovery. The speaker emphasizes that this journey requires bravery and openness to new experiences, and ends by expressing their excitement to share their insights with others.
➡ The speaker shares their unique approach to dating, focusing more on emotional connection than physical appearance or financial status. They express their dislike for dating apps, explaining that a person’s attractiveness can change once they get to know them. They also mention being open to more possibilities in relationships and life. Lastly, they invite interested listeners to join a class by emailing them.

Hi, Lisa Schermerhorn here in the Grassroots Warrior Network. And this is my show where truth lies. And I am thrilled and excited to introduce you to a true story, Sister heart, sister of mine, Eden. Cause we met several years ago through a mutual friend, Lynn, who’s since passed. And I’m so grateful for that connection because when we met, we were like, oh, my God, we have so many things in common. Yes, it’s been really cool. So she also has a show on the Grassroots Warrior Network called Just Be, and she is a soul realignment center specialist.

So welcome, Eden. Thank you, Lisa. You’ve done so much for me. Honey, I am so, as always, in such gratitude for you. Well, I feel the same for you. So there we go. Yay. Let’s do it. So we started talking before we hit record about, you know, these new divine relationship or what’s. What it’s really like to be in relationship, post divorce, post Covid, all of those things. And, you know, it’s interesting because it’s such a difficult topic, and I don’t really hear hear people really talk much about it, so. And I know you’ve recently gotten into a relationship, so I kind of wrote that off.

I don’t blame you. I got it right. Right. There’s too many criteria. I had two pages. Yeah, I wonder how long your list is. Mine was full. Two full pages of desires and really getting into depth of things. And not even just like, smaller things, too, but as long and being flexible with certain things that really realizing what was important to me and what wasn’t. But, yeah, I hear you. Well, you know, it’s interesting because a couple of years ago, I was like, all right, I think I’m ready to date. So I put a list together, and I literally had everything down on this piece of paper.

And then I met someone, and he was everything on that list. But here’s the. The interesting thing. We went on a couple dates, and he was very spiritual. He was into yoga, very handsome. He was awake. We could talk about everything that was going on. We seemed to share a lot of the same values, and, you know, we were on the same page. And then I said, things seem to be going really, really well here. And we went on, like, four or five dates. And then I asked, spirit, please show me what I’m not seeing. Right? Because I wanted to see.

I didn’t want to have to waste six months of my life to find out someone’s a. Mm. So what happened? So I had said to him before I had to be away for Two weeks. And so I said, I’m going to an event and I’m staying with other people. I’m going to be surrounded. It’s like all day into the evening. And then I’m going away for my daughter’s 30th birthday, so I’m not going to be very available. And so he kept calling and I kept saying, it’s not a good time. And at one point I had said that I would, I would talk to him.

And then there was a group that surprised us with a surprise dinner with all of these people. And I had my phone off and so I had texted him after. It was like 11:30 at night. And I said, I’m so sorry, but tomorrow I’m leaving. I have two days where I’m going to be in the car, going to meet my daughter and her friends for her birthday. You’ll have me all to myself. To yourself. And he said, well, I’ve been looking at the pictures you’ve been sending me and I was with two guys that are like brothers to me.

And he said, you’re really radiant in those pictures. So he said, you’re cheating on me and I’m like, cheating on you. We’ve been on like five dates. First of all, okay. And second of all, I’m like, he’s like my brother, but he would not hear it. And he decided that he was going to break up with me so that I could be with the great love of my life. And I sat there, it was like 5:30 in the morning that I got this text. And I said to God, thank you for showing me what I was missing.

So that was a lesson to me because even from the exterior with all the things that were on my list, there was still something in me that I needed to heal. That I had attracted someone like that because I had been through 30 years of a narcissistic relationship. I had been through relationships with, with addicts, alcoholics, you name it. And as an empath, we are, as an unhealed empath, we go hand in hand. Empath narcissists. It’s just like this thing until you heal that, right? Yeah. And so I realized that there were still things that were unhealed in me.

So I was like, done. Thank you. And to find a man that can handle a powerful woman at this point too, is. Is quite challenging. Yet they’re out there. Yeah. You know, it’s interesting because I think about. I remember something my ex husband told me and it’s very true. He said, the problem that’s happened in our relationship is that you’ve changed and I haven’t. I want you to stay the same and I want you. I want you to stay the same and you want me to grow and change. So he realized that. He realized that. He realized it and articulated it.

He articulated it. He’s like, you’ve changed and I didn’t. But he also called me a bait and switch. So there you go. Well, yeah, there’s a positive and not so positive with it, but gracious. Oh, my gracious. Got it. I had to add that in just. No, you know, you have to laugh. But. But you know what? One of the greatest lessons that I think we in any relationship is taking responsibility for our part in it. And until you do, you can’t heal. Yeah, I would agree with that. So. So for me, it was like, what is it that I’m not seeing in me that’s still a mirror in this relationship that I need to heal? Because when you start pointing at someone else, well, he did this to me and he did that and he did this.

Well, there’s three fingers pointing back at me that I’m like, what is it that I’m doing that to attract this? What am I doing to keep this going? And that’s where, when you come to that realization and take responsibility, then there’s a whole nother part to that because then you have to leave or you have to decide, I’m going to suck it up and stay and diminish myself. Because those are the only two choices, really. And it’s, it’s, it’s challenging to take responsibility for everything in your life, even the things that you don’t see them as yours or that you created or.

And I mean, that’s probably with the work that you do, Lisa. Same with mine. That’s one of the biggest challenges with people that I work with is to realize that you are responsible for it all. Yes, in a way. Well, in every way. So, yeah, I get it. Yeah. So now you’ve really started to dive into this whole thing about. So talk to me about your own process of healing and where you came from and how you’ve now kind of defined what a divine relationship looks like and what that is. Well, I. Similar to you, married 25 years.

We dated for four. So a 30 year relationship with a. It was a narcissistic relationship. Same thing. Big empath. And probably realizing, really coming to terms and opening my eyes that the relationship was not, say, good probably two years prior. And I asked for the divorce three Weeks before the lockdowns hit. So I had two daughters, teenage daughters at home during the time he was working, traveling. And then, boom, we’re all at home. I mean, I. Okay. And to. To clarify, my relationship with my former. It was completely karmic. Again, I take it was spiritually beautiful, even though it was really challenging knowing that in this time of this great awakening, that we are also in the stage of breaking these.

Like, he and I had been in relationship after relationship in lives and past lives and all that, and this was the chance, if I was brave enough, to end it. And it was so hard. So I, like, I knew it was going to be challenging, and I had a mentor that helped me, helped me through it, and she had given me a heads up on a lot of things that were potentially going to come down the path, and they did. Yet there are things you also don’t expect and relationships. And during that time of COVID that’s when I became awake to everything that was happening in the world.

So spiritually, I was already awake. But then, bam, you know, confronted with the vaccine and going down rabbit hole after rabbit hole and crying at some points and not believing it to be real, and then, you know, knowing that it was real. So it was so interesting that during the divorce, it really came clear because I’d always been doing SP work and my form was always, like, patting him on the head, like, Eden, you go do your little job. You know, you have your minions that work with you. It was always downgrading. Yet I had been living a life separate from him for so long.

I had my own friends, I had my own business. I had just learned that I didn’t need someone to complete me. I could do it on my own. So it was like being married, but I wasn’t married. So that’s interesting you said that, because I just saw something that they wrote about narcissists. And I’m going to paraphrase, but narcissists do a really good job at training their partners to become very independent. And. And so when they make that decision to leave, it’s done. Because they’ve already got everything they need because of their lack of participation in.

In your life. Yes, yes. And I’d gotten. It was so great, too, to the point where I didn’t need that relationship. And I, you know, I. Let’s see how to phrase this in parts of me. So I grew up in the deep South. I was very conservative with, you know, and I did grow up in a church, which is interesting because down south it’s very church oriented, but yet I just knew I wanted, you know, to have my husband be the first time I had sex. So I ended up having sexual relations with one other person, but I was just very much a goody two shoes.

Not that anyone made me do that. I just. I just came into this world being straight and narrow. So I never thought I would ever get divorced either. Because you, you know, not that anyone is saying, you know, you can’t do that, but I just. I didn’t. I didn’t want to be divorced. I didn’t want it. So it was. And. And through. Through my path and doing the spiritual work in the Great awakening, man, I. I do things now and I have. For. For. Well, I’ve always been a little. Well, I have. I’ve been off the beaten course for a while yet finding my voice in that now.

Used to be a doormat and very much, oh, what. What would you like to do? Very sweet and people pleaser. I. I’m not anymore. Like, I still am. Very kind, I would say, and come from the heart, but man, the things that I’ve done in the past five or six years. Holy smokes, Lisa. I sometimes look at myself and go, who. Who is this. This strong woman? And look at her spicy mouth. That’s so great. Is that the same for you? Not so much the spicy mouth, but I used to get more involved in drama, right? Yeah, yeah.

And worry more about what people thought. And all of a sudden it was like this bam. Because as soon as I heard the word covet, I was like, that’s not a thing. It was like this deep inner knowing. It was almost like I was like, before I was born, like someone gave us a code word that, like, as soon as we heard that word, it was going to, like, a bell would ring in our heads and wake us up. Because I feel like that was the code word. Because all of the sudden it was like, no.

And. And nothing made sense anymore. And everything just started to shift and change. And I started through the mask mandates and through the vaccine mandates and all of that, starting to. To find my own voice in it and, and really working that balance of how do I keep my practice going and I keep this under the radar so that I can still make a significant change and difference. And then I was like, oh, there’s rumble, there’s telegram, there’s like, all these other things. So, like, my family had no idea what I was doing because I didn’t feel that it was my job to try and convince anyone who didn’t want to be convinced.

And my family still like my, my birth, you know, where my family of origin, they’re all very, very, very woke. Like they, you know, I see my father’s 87 going to no Kings protests, holding up signs, and the only thing he knows is that I’m not vaccinated. But other than that, he has no idea what my stand is on anything because I don’t need to aggravate people where it’s not going to make a difference anyway. I save my energy for the people who are open and want to know. Well, you know what? I was at January 6th and didn’t really tell anyone that I was going, but it got out, I guess.

So it was interesting with my family even not having to say, oh, I’m this way or that way. They suddenly knew. And then I’m legal guardian for my one daughter who has special needs. And I was like, no, she’s not getting the vaccination. So that prompted some speaking and concern. And then, you know, it got around with my clients and everything that I was at January 6th. So it really, I suddenly, and it was, it was so, let’s put it in this way, so wonderful that the separation occurred at that time because the part of the, well, all of my family’s kind of woke too.

I didn’t have to deal with so much of that. I had my own little house and my one daughter was with me once a week, and then she was with her dad, so, So I got to escape a lot of the brunt of that, if you will, because it was also right for the holiday. So I’m sure the other parts of family would be like, you can’t come here if you’re not vaccinated. You’re not. And suddenly that wasn’t part of my life anymore. So that part was hard. But then when I look back on it too, I’m like, oh, my gosh, I’m so glad I didn’t have to be a part of that or be criticized face to face.

Like, I was criticized a lot, but it wasn’t in front of my face. Um, and dude, I do. It’s funny that you say you don’t have a spicy mouth. I was thinking about my. It is, it is spicy because there is this loyalty the, to the truth, which I know you have. And I, I just get to the point now where even with certain clients, I just can’t stop. I can’t back down. I, I, I temper my words and you know, am, am gentle when I need to be. Yet, for example, I have this one client that I basically said we can’t work together anymore because you just need someone you can talk to.

If you don’t want someone who can help you and tell you, give you a perspective that you need to hear, then I’m not your girl. So the guy that I’m dating right now, he’s like, well, why wouldn’t you just take her money? And I’m like, well, that goes against my integrity. That’s not who I am. That’s not what I do. And he goes, it’s funny. Quote, unquote. You’re a badass. Well. Well, thank you, but I’m not. But I appreciate. You are a badass. You are a badass. Well, thanks. You are. And I do the same thing, and it’s really about empowering others because, like, I don’t.

If someone comes to me, whatever their. Their beliefs are, that’s one thing. But what I always hold people accountable is, what are your values? What is the life you want to live? And I’m here to help you get there. If you keep sabotaging yourself and on some level you don’t want it, then I will say to them, then, either it’s not time, because I don’t want to keep taking their money either. I’m the same way. I have very strong feelings about that. I can’t, in good conscious, take money from someone who I don’t feel is either ready or doesn’t want to.

And I will state that, and I will say, maybe someone else will work better for you. And. And, you know, it took me a long time to get to that point. I wasn’t ready. So I know what it’s like to have, you know, to come to a decision. It took me a long time to make the decision to leave when I knew 10 years prior that I needed to leave. But the timing wasn’t right. And so timing is a lot as well. And. And I will say, when it comes to the truth, you know, I wrote a book about this, and every belief is a lie.

That it’s perspective, right? Because your perspective is different. Because we all get pieces. There’s a. There’s a parable about an elephant and six blind men, and they’re all at different parts of the elephant, and they’re all describing what the elephant is. And one’s, like, describing one of the hind leg, the other one’s describing the tail, and then the ears and then the trunk. They’re all part of the elephant. So I always try and Go into saying, what am I missing? What is it that I don’t see? I want to make sure that my clients and people get the full picture of what’s going on as best they can.

Because there’s truth, there’s my truth, and then there’s the truth. And so I try not to push people because who knows, maybe what I believe isn’t true either. I don’t know. Right. And that flexibility to the truth, because what I believe to be the truth this week may change a little bit or may change drastically the next week. So that having that flexibility, too, and the. Like you said, kind of like the gentleness and for me, kind of balancing. And I had to do this the other day with a client, which was really beautiful. Balancing that spiciness with gentleness and really connecting.

How do I even say this, too? It wasn’t. It was like lowering myself, but it wasn’t that. Like, I had to approach it from a totally different angle. Otherwise she wasn’t going to receive the information that I had to say to her. So it was really coming in differently. So that was a wonderful challenge and really good for me as well. Yeah. But it is to be a truth teller and to give perspectives and like you said, to also understand that their perspective may be different and to find a balance in that for myself also. But this is what I’m.

I miss about. Yeah, I used. I love a good debate, like a real debate dialogue. Like, I want to know your facts. I want to know where you stand. Because there may be some information that I don’t have that I could find out. And you might actually be able to change my mind or convince me of something that I had no idea. But when today, the way things are so divisive that it’s like as soon as you hear that someone believes in something, there’s a whole. There’s a whole list that goes along with it. And then there’s this hard line that comes in.

And I see it on both sides. I see it on both sides. And, and. And that’s indicative of what relationships are look like. Either intimate friendships, family. All of that is navigating the information that comes in that we may not agree with in a partner. And how does. Where do you. Where do you know to draw that line? Whereas this person shares the same value. And doesn’t she know what I mean? Yes, I do. Can I bring something up? This is totally unrelatable, but it isn’t. It’s just so. Ivermectin. Yeah. I just have to share this really quick.

So I start. So always known and heard, it’s wonderful. Yet I’d never gotten any. So I was like, the past couple of weeks ago, I’m just going to go to the tractor farm and get some of the Ivermectin horse paste and give it a shot. And it’s. It’s been great. I also do methylene blue. Don’t feel for me anything drastic with it, but I just know it’s good for me. Yet the new guy I’m seeing started taking it. And within weeks, cognition improvement, you know, and also just. I also really find. If you’re going to do that, find a trusted vendor to go through.

Don’t just get it off Amazon. So I have someone who’s really, really trust them as well. So anyway, Ivermectin is all good. So my daughter started getting these weird. Probably two, two to three weeks ago, these rashes, like, and they were like, like Benadryl. Like, we had her take Benadryl to get rid of them. So, like itchy, scratchy. And they would start appearing on her arm and on her back. And one of my friends suggested, why don’t you just put some Ivermectin on it? She hasn’t had one in three days. And these were like popping up all the time.

So I just saw this video just before our call, someone talking about Ivermectin, about skin cancer. I don’t know if you know this, but putting it on. On skin cancers and applying it for like twice a day for a month to two months, that it can really cure that sort of thing. So just watching it with my daughter and the impact that it had there. And again, I think we paid 12 or $11 at the, @ the tractor place to get it. You could get it on Amazon as well. So I am, I am, I’m becoming a big fan of it already, knowing it could help so much with COVID and that sort of thing.

But it’s almost like it’s this. And the guy talked about it also being really great for acne, psoriasis, applying it topically to the skin. So I don’t know how many people know about that. I thought that was incredible. So to add to that, one of the side effects of those rashes could be parasites. Okay. Right. So she may need an internal. I. I wouldn’t. I. Yeah. So I don’t know. I did my Ivermectin a couple years ago when I first started hearing. I did bought the horse paste and I was doing it. They said Three months with the general protocol.

I got two and a half months in, and then I had Herxheimer reaction. So it’s a healing crisis. So all of a sudden I had a migraine that I’m not a headache person. And I was curled up in a fetal position on the floor in my living room. Wow. So. And that’s common for a lot of, you know, for healing crisis. So you want to be careful and that. They said that’s supposed to be good. That means you’ve got to work through it all. But it’s something to be aware of that you want to know. Like they said, was it a pencil eraser amount? And I was doing that once a day, and then I switched to half of that.

And then the migraines wouldn’t go away, so I stopped. I don’t know if that was a good thing or not, but I just couldn’t do it anymore. Okay. Well, yeah, it’s really. There’s so much to really look into and talk to maybe a naturopathic doctor about someone who knows. But, you know, getting back to, you know, again, all of these things. Methylene blue. And then there’s. There’s a lot of good information out there, and then there’s a lot of information that’s saying it’s not good for you. So I was using it for a while. I ran out, and then I didn’t get any.

Any New Bethlehem blue. But I didn’t feel like it was making a huge, you know, like you. I. Maybe it’s other things that I’m taking, or I didn’t need it as much, but going back to, you know, the whole relationship thing that we. Ye. We’re talking about is that, you know, how do you cross that bridge? Because it is a bridge of going from that dysfunctional relationship into that next stage of more of a heartfelt, divine relationship. What is the difference? And what did you have to do for yourself in order to make that list really work? Okay.

Yes, it sure does. All right. So after the divorce, I was very clear with myself to heal, to be comfortable with learning to live by myself, to know that I didn’t need anyone, because I’d kind of been in that anyway, but yet I was still married, so I was still in a partnership. So to. To know. And a lot of growing up, to wanting to be recognized, wanting to be. Oh, Eden, you’re doing really good at that. You’re doing good at that, to really be. And he helped me a lot with that, too, that I didn’t need anyone.

To define me, to make me feel good, to make me feel loved. So part of that, it ended up being a five year journey, I guess if you want to call it for myself. I went on one date during that process and was like, oh, not ready yet. Yet. Part of it was really being, being able to see narcissism. I had beautifully some clients that came in that were on levels that I had never been exposed to before. So being able to work with that again, it was beautiful. It was a gift that they came to see me and a gift that I got to be involved in it as well.

So I remember this one, one person specifically after we were kind of finished, I was like, there was a part of me that goes, you’re ready now. It just clicked in my brain that you’ve accomplished it. You can not feel safe. That’s not the word. But you can feel assured that none of that will happen to you again. That you’re awake enough, that you’re aware enough. Okay. Knowing that when you start a relationship because you can do a whole bunch of stuff on your own, but yet when you get involved with someone else, that’s all also going to bring up other things that you can’t.

That I couldn’t have held healed by myself. Only having another person there. So that has been amazing. And this spicy voice. I might be going into this kind of soon. The spicy voice that I have. There were certain situations in the new relationship that I would have quieted down or would have stepped back. I would have, you know, let him have control over it. And it’s not that in each moment when that happens that I go, oh my gosh, I need, oh, here’s a moment that I can step out sometimes it’s taking a day or two and then suddenly going, oh my gosh.

It just comes to me so clearly now. This is how I used to be. I’m not going to be that anymore. And because of that, this is how I need to talk. This is how I need to speak up. So there have been so many times in this new relationship that I have basically said, well, this is who I am. If you like it or not, that’s okay. If you don’t like it, then go your merry way. And I don’t care. I don’t have any emotion behind that. Even though this has been wonderful, I’m still at the point where if it doesn’t happen tomorrow, I will be, you know, I’ll miss him and I’ll be disappointed with certain things.

But will you be okay? Oh, yeah, I’ll be fine. Yeah. And it’s so nice to be able to say that, especially in a Western society where, oh, you have to be partnered. You have to have someone with you. Oh, you’re by yourself. Oh, well, I’m sorry about that. Well, why that’s so super great. I think I. I had several years on my own, and then I have a friend of mine who sold her condo and had no place to go. And I said, said, why don’t you come and move into my house until. And that was four years ago.

And we laugh because I say, she’s the best relationship I’ve ever had without sex. Because she has taught me, like, being in a female relationship, just. It’s not a relationship, it’s a friendship, a deep friendship. She sleeps down in the basement. My house is upstairs. But my kids still think we’re partners. And people will ask us if we are a couple, which cracks me up. But it cracks both of us up, but we’re not. But having the companionship, like someone to eat meals with, someone like, what are you doing? You want to go to a movie or you want to watch something on TV together? So I never, ever feel lonely.

And then when she goes off and may go away for a weekend or I, you know, went away from a month, she went away for a couple weeks. It’s like I was like, oh, this is what it feels like to have this rhythm without stepping on eggshells, without worrying about what other people think. It’s taught me, like, that rhythm of relationship, being without the losing myself. If that makes sense. Yeah. In it. Yeah. And I was like, I think this was kind of practice for me. I would, I would concur with that. Yeah, I would concur with that.

So I will go into. When I. When it clicked that I was kind of ready to go, I decided that I. Because I. In doing a podcast like you and talking to so many awake and beautiful men, I was like, oh, that’s probably going to be the way that I’m going to find someone. Because I, you know, put in my notes, you know, I composed this list of my spiritual life design of what I wanted in a partner, desired in a partner. And one of the things was, you know, being awake on this level, being someone who does the kind of work that we do.

So it’s interesting with this guy. So one of the big things that I. And I’m doing a class on this because I feel like I know a lot now. You talking about the guy that you were dating, there were so many things on my list that he didn’t seem to match up with right yet when I went with the heart. And really they’ve. They’ve all started popping up. So it’s not that they were there immediately yet there’s this trust, there’s this just feeling to go with that. He is just. Okay, let me give you some examples.

So, okay, how about. I feel like I’m jumping all over the place. All right, so I went on Rumble. I figured I’d just go on five day, five a week. I’d pay. You mean Bumble? Bumble. Thank you. Not Rumble. I figured I’d go on the dating app Bumble, just for a week, and I’d pay for it. Because I also didn’t want to go through all everybody. I wanted them to come to me and for me to be able to look at them. So he turned out to be the first person that I started talking to. I mean, first person.

Turns out he lives four minutes from my house, which is beautiful because, Lisa, we’ve talked about before this crazy infection that I went through a while ago, so I parted. That almost killed you. That almost killed me. So the only thing that I’ve lost, and I know it’s not a loss yet sometimes it feels that way is peripheral vision. So driving at night and that sort of thing is really hard. So he’s. I could walk to his place. So it’s so super convenient. And when I met him for the first time, we met at a coffee shop.

And it was a nicer coffee shop, but I remember him walking and going, this place is fancy. And I remember looking at him going, oh, my God, this is a coffee shop in this little town in Ohio that I live in. It’s not any great shakes at all. So he showed up also looking like he just rolled out of bed. He was in a sweatshirt and tennis shoes. And I looked at him too, going, oh, okay, this is not. Did he even take any time to, like, make himself presentable? Apparently he did, but it didn’t look like it.

So anyway, we sat down and of course, I haven’t. I’m not eating sugar these days. So I got some sort of, you know, sugar free tea or whatever. So he gets chocolate milk or chocolate. What is cocoa with whipped cream all on it? And this muffin. So sitting there looking at that, going, okay. And he was at that time, very overweight. So normally, Lisa, I would go for a corporate, polished looking guy, someone who had gone to college, had that education, quote unquote. He was none of that. Don’t get me wrong, though. He’s incredibly intelligent. Incredibly intelligent, yet does.

He’s not a construction worker, but does more construction was in the military, I think. Went to school for, like, a year. But I remember sitting there talking with him and listening to him, but also feeling his heart, and it was like, oh, my gosh, this man. This man that does not look. Because he’s got big hands and big and overweight, too. I’m like, there is a big heart in this guy. All right. Are you willing, girl, to look at him differently, to know you may not be attracted to him physically, but there’s some sort of attraction that will be there? Are you willing to step into it? And knowing that other people would look at us and be like, why are those two together? They don’t look like a couple.

Like to also look around at other people. Go, you don’t know what I see. You don’t know. Okay. It’s not your job to figure out who I’m dating or whatever. So we left the coffee shop, and it was beautiful because it was time for them to close. So basically they said, hey, y’ all need to scooch. I was like, okay, good. So we went outside. He’s got this big truck, which normally I’m wouldn’t be a truck person, per se. That sounds weird. And I looked him in the face, I said, hey, I think I’d like for us to go out to dinner.

And he goes, you would? And I’m like, yeah. So a week later, we went out to dinner, and since that time, he’s lost 40 pounds. He goes to this. He goes to. I do CrossFit right now. So he goes to class with me, which is neat because he does a physical job. But in terms of exercising, he hasn’t really exercised in a while. He. I work on him. I do my work on him at least almost every day. And making sure, like, the big thing, too, is I am not. This is key, too. I am not there to fix him.

Right. So in every area, I didn’t also say, hey, you need to lose weight, or, you know, why don’t you? I didn’t do any of that. He just started doing it on his own. Wow. Because he looked at me and he’s like, I like what you’re doing. I like you being healthy. Oh, the way you eat. Let’s talk about that. So he’s changed so much. And I also, for me, personally, is okay not being vaccinated. It was you. And I can. This is a beautiful Debate, if you want to call it that, that was a key thing for me.

It wasn’t only because of what the shot does to your body, which, knowing that, but that’s all around us anyway, the separation from God and knowing that we together can also do that. Covid vaccination healing. I desired someone specifically who had gone through the COVID process, let’s call it, and would not wear a mask, who could stand up to societal pressures, who was a. A rebel. And he was. And that was so important to me because I needed someone because I did it. And I want someone who could also, in the face of tyranny, in the face of someone literally holding a gun to your head, to go, okay, it’s okay, go ahead and shoot me.

Right. And that’s an important value for you. Right? And you talked about values. Yes. Yeah. One of the things that no one told me because I got married so young, I met my ex husband when I was 19 and I was married in my early twent. Excuse me one sec. Was that I didn’t know who I was, let alone knew my values. And I think that’s a big difference in, in dating later on. And yes, that part is important. But what about the person who suddenly gets one job and suddenly realizes they’ve made a mistake and then suddenly gets educated? So it’s like I believe that the work I do transmutes it.

I also believe because I work with someone who does muscle testing, the, the applied kinesiology. And even though I wasn’t vaccinated, she said, do you know that you have spike protein in your system? Well, between getting from shedding from the skies, whatever they’ve been spraying on us, from what’s put in our food and. And God knows what else, we all have it in our system now for you. So from a physical standpoint, is it important to me that someone believes the same things that I do or they may have information for me that I don’t know.

That would be great. From the standpoint of being the rebel. Yes. That’s who I am. I have always been. I know, I know. You know, I, I couldn’t be with someone who was woke up. That’s just not who I am. But I, I met someone. She was from Australia. We were on a zoom call and she, she was vehemently anti vax and she was out there spreading the word. She had a podcast, she was well known out there and she met a guy who was just in that situation, who got vaccinated, realized that it wasn’t the right thing.

He was trying to do the right thing. And she said to me, I love him, and he was worth the risk for me. And we talked about this, you know, being able to transmute it because there are people who have. And so I’m not as black and white on that as you are. But there are other areas where I am. Where spirituality wise, like, I am so tired of going out on a date where someone’s eyes are rolling back because they can’t understand the stuff that I do. And they can’t. And it doesn’t mean that they have to believe what I believe, but I need to be able to talk about it at least and have someone who has an open mind and says, I know that this is important to you, so therefore, I’m going to support you on it.

Because that was one of the biggest problems in my marriage was the lack of support. Yes. In the area that I was going in. And so that, to me is really more important, is the support and being able to have the conversations and the connection that way. Awesome. Well, I would say that both of those things are very important to me because it was the same for me and my marriage diminished. And part of it is one of the things on my list was exactly that they support me, they believe in me, they love what I do.

That maybe they don’t understand it fully yet. I also desire them to understand it deeper. And he’s getting there. And as the same thing, as long as there’s an open mind, as long as there’s this also. I may not quite be there yet, but there’s part of him, too. He’s like, I love what you do. Like, there was this one time in the beginning, again, this big construction guy that had never done energy work. Okay. And part of my thing on my list was they understand energy work. They. And he didn’t yet. He was so open to it.

And then at one point he goes, I love what you do. I wish I could do that. I wish I could do this as my job. And I remember at that moment just going, oh, my God. This is just. This is just amazing. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. Yeah. So I will add in there in terms of the divine, feminine and masculine, that there are so many masculine wounds out there. So that is one thing. I know that my relationship right now, like, it’s great for me, yet I also know it’s great for the world in terms of healing, in terms of.

And that’s kind of who I am too. Lisa. It’s not Everything in my life is bigger picture as well. There is so much that we’re still working on. Again, so many wounds that he has. Again, it’s not my job to fix him yet. It’s my role to be there and have him feel safe because he’s never had that before. Yeah. And there are times that he just looks at me and he’s like. Almost like he’s pointing me going, are you real? You’re way too kind. You’re way too. I’m like, no, no, I’m. Well, I’ve worked to become this way.

I’ve worked to be love, and I’ve worked to be this high vibration. So we talk about vibrations a lot. So he’s starting to understand some of that as well. And almost like, how. How can you be this way? Well, you can be this way, too. And also for me, not that I like learning to trust again on this level. Okay. Not also saying that I’m perfect. I’m not like, I’ve. There’s so much in this relationship that I’ve learned as well. But it is a different level if I’m expecting him to trust me. It’s all so for me to trust him.

But it’s also. It’s again, this dichotomy of, yes, I can trust you, but if something isn’t working for me, if I’m not having joy in this relationship, I can easily step out of it. Okay? And that’s another thing that most people can’t do. And he’s always like, what do you mean? I’m like, well, in the next week, if it’s just not rolling or we’re not compatible, I’m going to be done. You’ll definitely know, and we’ll communicate. And he’s talked about. I’ve communicated with you more than I’ve ever communicated to anybody in my whole life. And I’m like, well, yeah, this is what.

This is going to be. Communication. Communication, communication. So these. These things that he still has that he’s challenged with, I guess is the best way to say we’ll. We’ll see what he’s going to do with those. Because to be together, you can’t keep them, if that makes sense. Like, there has to be. You have to keep working on yourself. You have to. Because that’s what I’m going to do constantly and continually. So some of the things I keep bringing up very gently, like, hey, have you thought about this lately? What have you done? Have you. Do you feel like doing something about that now? And he might Just go like, okay, I might bring it up again in a couple weeks because I know some of these things really hurt him and keep him in a stuck pattern.

So it’s just giving him the space, but also acknowledging these hurt you. I’m also not going to keep quiet about this for another year because if it hurts you on some level, it also isn’t great for me Right. Either. Right. Okay. What else, what else can I say about that? Please ask me some questions. No, but you know what? I’m listening to you, and there’s a. It sounds like there’s a beautiful give and take. So it’s not about you trying to say you need to be this way from me or it’s. It’s more of you’re giving him space and letting him learn and also recognizing that men have a different role to play.

You talked about divine feminine and the divine masculine. We have basically emasculated the men. Yeah. And it’s been done over the period of several decades, slowly with the whole women’s movement, which I’m grateful for a lot of what the women’s movement has done. But I also feel that the pendulum went too far. Too far. Because I love being a nurturer. Like, I loved the, the feminine role of being the nurturer and, and, you know, having that. And I like being taken care of. Like, I like a strong man. I like a man who will take charge.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t have a voice in it. Yes, but there’s, you know, men are afraid to be men, and women have been told we can be everything and we can’t because we don’t have everything. We can overcompensate and we’re exhausted. Where there are things that men can do that are, you know, easy and effortless for them, you know, the idea of having someone who works with their hands and, you know, knows how to do all those things is mind boggling to me. That’s so cool. I find it fascinating. And you have to have like, like this engineering mind to be able to do that kind of work.

I have great admiration for that. And so it’s the honoring of the divine masculine and, and teaching people to step into their own divine feminine and masculine, and we carry our own shadows. You know, I had to learn how to step into my own divine masculine and my divine, because we all, we all have our shadows. Right. And, and we also have the messages that were taught as a young girl, you know, the whole Cinderella story and, you know, the Disney movies and everything. That we’re going to be happily ever after and all of that. And we are not taught how to be in a healthy relationship.

We are not. We are not. And it’s. It’s kind of like walking around blindfolded in the dark. It feels like that sometimes. Like, what does that even look like? And when I. It was interesting because I can see that I have healed a lot of my own stuff, because I used to only see dysfunctional relationships. Like, you’d hear women just complaining about how much they can’t stand being around their husband or the husbands can’t stand. Like, that’s all I heard from them. And I’m like, why would anyone want to be in this? Right? And I would have to say, in the past year, I’m getting more about seeing the divine relationships.

Like, seeing more couples in these beautiful, divine relationships. And I’m like, oh, that’s what that looks like. Oh, I see. It’s not this, like, scary thing that’s out there. I see it in front of me, and it’s an honoring. It’s totally an honoring of each other. Well, and it’s so nice because I talked to him about that. I talked to him a little about the divine feminine and masculine, and I don’t know if he quite gets it yet. I told him, you are my protector. And it’s really interesting because I’ve never wanted to be protected before.

And now suddenly I’m like, but it’s not a. I can’t fend for myself. I can’t stand up for myself. But to really have someone who has my back that is there and that I love that he has the strength that I don’t have. And to watch him, like, chop wood and fix things and do things, it’s just like, same thing. Honoring that and being somewhat like. Like now being in awe of it. And they get things done and. Okay. And at least I have to bring this up. The intimacy part that comes with this, when you really are compatible on a soul level with someone.

I. I had no. Okay. And one important part that I will bring up in terms of these type of relationships, I would strongly encourage intimacy to wait. To wait. I mean, there were times he would come up to me and be like, what are we waiting on? We’re like 55 years old. Come on, girl, you’ve been married. I’m like, you know, I am not ready to go put my heart into that yet until I know that my heart is with you. Like, I want that to be first. Because sexual. That stuff just gets in the way.

And it, especially for men, it can cloud some. Some. It changes. It changes the dynamic. It changes the dynamic. And people can say, no, no, but sex always does. It does it completely. Especially now. And what’s missing now, when I look at these younger relationships with all these apps, it’s like they have sex first and then they develop the relationship and, you know, they expect to basically be in bed with each other by the third, second, first date. And there’s something that’s really beautiful about being courted. There’s something really beautiful about going through that whole getting to know each other and going slow.

Yeah, it really is special. It was really great. And I had told him from the beginning, I don’t know how long it’s going to be. And then he’d start quite, well, how long is it now? I’m like, I don’t know. I’ll know when it’s time. So every step, like, intimate step, took a while. And finally it was. It had been about six months. And this wasn’t in my plan that that’s how long it was going to be. So it was so. I can’t express how. How good it is to wait because to also, when you get into sexuality too, there’s so many other things that you discover about each other and so many things that you haven’t healed from.

And I realized that once we even started that there was so much that I still needed to work on with that. Yet my. How do I say this, too? Being where I am with energy and vibration and being able now to fully connect on that level because my former husband didn’t understand that and he wasn’t really curious about that. Being able to open into that and being compatible with someone and feeling truly loved by someone. It is amazing. And I. I never thought of myself as a very sexual person. Like, oh, yeah, okay, man. Okay, Lisa.

This is very. This is private information, everybody. Every day. I mean, I would never have seen myself as maybe two times or one time a week or whatever, every freaking day. And it is just so good. It’s so good. And it’s only going to get better. Like, this is just the beginning of things. But I’m surprised at myself with that and knowing that in divine relationships, when you’re really compatible with some of the energy within, that is just going to be explosive. And the beautiful part still is that doesn’t define, at least for me, it doesn’t define our relationship.

It’s still just a part of it. And I could give or take it, but I. It’s amazing. And I like having it. Yet that is not why I’m with him. That is not. It’s just an added feature. And the closeness that I get from it now is different than what I ever got before. It’s so lovely, so lovely. And I even I wondered, Lisa, like, when I first met him, I’m like, am I gonna ever want sex again? Do I really care? Do I? And slowly was like, oh, yeah, this is good. Oh, ye. This is.

Oh, yeah. Holy smokes. What was I. What was I even thinking? What have I been missing out on all these years? Holy smokes. So. So with this, with this program, does the sex part get included too? Well, yeah. So talk to me. How do you step someone out of, like, for me, I remember coming out of my divorce nine years ago. I can’t believe it’s 99 years now. And I, I went on a dating app and someone said to me, you know, how long have you been, you know, out of the house? And I was like, three months ago.

Don’t even talk to me until you’re gone a year. And I was like, what? Like, I didn’t understand that until I understood it. And you had mentioned earlier about repeating that cycle, about going back, back. And so what people have to understand is unless you heal that underlying wound that was in that previous relationship that I think you’re going to be helping people with, you’re going to keep attracting the same man. It’s just going to have a different meat soup, right? Different flesh, but it’s the same wounding. And I found that over and over again. And that’s when I finally realized that I.

And then that last thing that happened a couple years ago, and I’m like, I think I’m done dating for now and I just need to be with me and heal that. And I feel like I’m really so good. I was just saying this to a couple friends. I love my life so much. Like, I have this incredible adventure. I have fun. I do. Like someone said, if someone said, if you could win the lottery, you know, 100 million dollar lottery, what would change in your life? And I’m like, like, I don’t know, I might fly first class instead of coach and I might get a new car, but that’s about it.

That would be it. Yeah, that would honestly be it. Because I don’t think that there’s anything really in my life right now. And this is where it’s the bonus, like I had. Exactly. It’s the bonus because I used to, I used to Have a friend of mine was so boy crazy and, and, and was constantly. And she would always say to me, you know, what’s wrong? Why aren’t you flirtatious? And I’m like, because I’m not ready. And she couldn’t understand that. And she kept getting herself into trouble and just, you know, finding men over. And I’m like, I.

I am not that. And people have to understand. When you hear someone say they complete me, oh, my God, that’s run right yourself. Now do I want. There’s the yin and the yun. Would I like someday to find someone who may be balanced out, that was more grounded because I’m more spiritual, you know, that kind of thing? Yeah. But I don’t feel like I need anyone to complete me. Yes. And I had, I had gotten to that point and I would totally concur with that, Lysa. It’s a bonus. Like, it’s just, again, it doesn’t make me who I am.

It doesn’t make me happy. It adds a lot to my life, which is great. Yet if it wasn’t here, I’d be okay too. And that’s where people really need to be and to be able to be sovereign and free and just. Like, again, I could be by myself completely. Like, no friends, no. Like, I’m to that point. Yet all of those relationships make my life better. Yet my relationship to myself has to be the most important and I have to be able to work on that and have to be able to be clear with that and have to be able to see my own truth.

That’s what loving yourself looks like. When people always say you need to love yourself, it’s not about sitting around and hugging yourself and saying affirmations about, you know, the things or looking in the mirror. That may be some part of it, but I genuine, genuinely, like, Like, I’m great. People are like, pick apart their body and everything. I’m like, could I be in better shape? Yes. I think for someone who’s 62, I feel pretty good. Right. I feel like I’ve earned every wrinkle on my face. I. I’ve, you know, I. All my laugh lines. I’ve earned every single one of them.

And at the same time, I have more joy, more laughter, more fun, more adventure experiences, love of what I do, love where I live, love my children, my friends. It’s. It’s really an extraordinary life. That was. I had to learn to love that because not long ago I was suicidal. I didn’t want to be here. Well, it feels like it was an eternity, though. But going through that process of learning that there was nothing wrong with me, that I wasn’t broken. I just had. I just had separated from Source, separated from myself. And. And the Great Awakening is not just about learning the truth about what’s going on in the world.

It’s about learning your own truth. Who are you? And what is it you want? And. And until you know that you can’t be in a relationship, you can’t, because it’s not real. Because what are you going to connect on? So talk to me about, you know, what this, this class you’re putting on together. What does this look like? How many weeks is it? Like, how many class? Is it one class? Is it several? Right now it’s one class just to get it out there and. And kind of for me to see where everybody’s at also. I’m calling it steps to 5D evolved divine relationship.

And. And I do. I just want to see where people are. I want to convey what I’ve learned. So I don’t. I don’t know what’s going to come out of it, because I’m working with my own clients right now to do that. I’m working with couples, which is really exactly what you were talking about, Lisa. That. And a lot of them know about. About the Great Awakening, too. And I say you are the Great Awakening, not only knowing about what’s going on, but evolving your relationship into that. Letting go of vices of shadows, of really learning who you are, learning, you know, your.

What. What is true love? Um, it. It’s just. And. And it’s just an amazing time where. Where we are right now. I don’t know about you, but even like yesterday with a lot of w. With all of my clients, there was just this boom, boom, boom. Awarenesses that are just coming, almost like they’re leaking out, they’re exploding out. So this is the time if you want a 5D relationship. Yet it isn’t your typical, oh, I’m going to date this person because they look good, or they have this, or they drive this car. It is so much deeper than that.

And to do what I am doing. I haven’t talked about this very. You got to be brave, too, because there are going to be some things that are going to come to you that you would have never accepted before. Yet you know, there’s something within this relationship that is different, and you can work through that. That. That is not the most important thing, where it used to be so important to you before that, that we are moving again, things looking a certain way, we know that they’re not right. And relationships and people are the same thing.

So it’s time, I feel, for people to really step out of their own, own way if they really want to do something like this, to figure it out. And I can help guide through that because there’s, there’s more to this relationship that I haven’t discussed in terms of things that I would have never have been okay with before yet. It’s so neat to watch me saying that that isn’t important. And I don’t care what other people may think or how it may look. They do not know him. They do not know what I see. And I’m happy.

It’s good. And there. He at times makes me feel like a goddess. And not that I need it, I don’t. Yet. There’s a part of it that if I’m also willing to go into that and be vulnerable enough to receive that, I mean, there’s something so cool about that too, like trusting myself and trusting that I can be vulnerable in that way versus, oh, there’s a strong me. And I, you know, I do all these things. It’s, it’s been so neat to watch it, to watch him. And I would guarantee you if you met him when we first started going out to now, you would also say, oh my God, that’s the same guy.

I mean, he acts different, he looks different. I bet you do too. Oh, I do, I do. And, and one of the things that he’s blessed me with is humor, is really lightening up because he likes to tease. And at times I’m like, stop. But if I lighten it up and it is so friggin fun. It is so fun. So not being so serious, none of it is taking myself as seriously as I used to. So it’s, it’s great. And I feel like I’ve learned so much, so I, I would love to be able to share more of this information with people if you feel like it’s something that aligns with you right now.

And I, I told Lisa I had a date, but I’m, I’m looking now potentially sometime in November, December of 2025. But I’m also flexible with that too. Let’s just see who comes my way. See what if anyone’s down for it, um, right now I’m thinking like $30 for an hour and a half zoom class. But again, that may change as well. I’m, I’m, I’m flexible to everything, but I, and I Lisa, I so appreciate you having me on today because it is so fun just to talk about. And I think that’s one of the reasons I want to do this class.

I want to just talk about it more. Well, you know what I enjoyed. And so many people wear these masks. Like, this was a very raw conversation and a real conversation. I mean, truly. I mean, for people to understand, to be able to talk about these things, these were like. Like, I couldn’t have talked about some of these things with. With people. And. And the most important thing for me has been getting myself to a place where I didn’t need anyone. It’s about the desire, the. The bonus. The wanting at some point. And. And I think that when someone gets to that point, that’s when they come.

That’s when they show up. Because the energy. Easily. Yes, they’ll show up easily. Boom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn’t expect. After just a couple days that I. And I remember I was talking to him. I started talking to two other people. I was like, I can’t do this. So I went back to him and I said, hey, we need to meet, because I’m not someone who can talk to various people. Let’s just see if this is going to work or not. And so then we met at the coffee shop, and I’m like, okay, it’ll just be you for right now, because I can’t do more than that.

Yeah. So it’s been brilliant. And with you, Lisa, when you talked about the lottery, like, you know me, this is not. I’m okay where I am right now, yet. This isn’t it. So I’m still searching for that calmly, yet the fact that. Fact that I met him here, which I didn’t expect him to be here. So that. That, to me, is a little bit of like, wow, that’s incredible. It’s incredible. All right. Any other questions you have for me? Not that I can think of. I mean, I. I think that, you know, I love. I loved hearing your perspective on.

And this is true. Like, when you make your list, everyone probably has that same initial first about looks, physicality, income, sense of humor or whatever. You know, everyone puts that down. And that eliminates. Because one of the things that I don’t like about dating apps is when you get to know someone, their. Their features change. So someone who I might not necessarily be attracted to or in a photo, when I meet them and feel them as an empath, it’s a very. It changes how they look to me. And someone who may come off very handsome in a photograph may become very ugly to me once I get to know them.

Right. And that’s. That’s a good point too. When I started looking at people and Bumble, I really tried to connect with them through the heart, regardless of what they put or their pictures. So that was that. Started going through that process right from the get go very differently. And I on my list, I stayed away from exact money. I just said someone who can take care of themselves financially. So how to make that more general? Yeah, a lot of things I’ve made much more flexible, much more general to allow for more possibilities. More. Yeah, I was just open to more and I love saying that too.

Open to more and more is showing up to me every day in the relationship and in life. Right, and in life. And if you are interested in the class, go ahead and why don’t you email me@edenedenjustbe.com and we’ll start the conversation from there. Lisa, thank you so much for letting me talk more about. Oh, it was my pleasure. This was fun and it gave me a lot to think about out. So I so appreciate this dog. Well, you’re welcome. All right, let me stop recording. Okay. Thank you again, girl. That was great. Thank you so much for watching my show where Sam.
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